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Tricky comments. The Middle East: "the process has begun"?

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What is happening recently in the Middle East is not surprising, or even some special feelings. Actually, everything went to that. If you throw a torch in a barrel of oil, it will light up. And if the barrel is not one - then such a process will go that just hold on.




Thank God that even this time Russia has nothing to do with it. This is good news. Although I do not exclude the possibility that the break in relations between our new ally Iran and its eternal rival Saudi Arabia will also be the basis for imposing any sanctions against Russia.

Is it worth taking seriously the fact that two of the three leading countries in the region overnight broke off diplomatic relations?

Diplomatic attacks towards a neighbor are not yet a war. Although in not so old times it was precisely with such demarches that disassembly began, developing into a global disgrace like the First World War.

And the two regional "superpowers" of the Middle East have something to share. In general, there has never been a “warm and friendly” relationship between Iran and Saudi Arabia. On the contrary, there is a whole heap of contradictions, from which only problems are obtained.

Countries diverge too much in religious, economic and political matters. More precisely, it is easier to find at least some points of contact.

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is a Sunni monarchy, the Islamic Republic of Iran is a Shiite center of the world. Both countries are the largest producers of energy resources and constantly compete for the markets for their main export products - oil and gas. And also - not least - for the souls of the believers, competition is no less than for oil.

The crisis in his pockets sharpens foreign policy. It is a fact. Do not think that the current state of affairs in the oil business does not affect the Saudis. Reflected, they will not go anywhere. And, if all those who sell oil and gas in their pockets have 60 dollars less per barrel, then Saud is no exception. A lot of money does not happen.

In the 2016 year, the old but still strong player returns to the arena of the Middle East theater. And it makes sense to try to “knock out” the player before he starts playing at full strength.

Of course, the beginning is not the best. Nimr en-Nimr was a very famous person among the Shiites. In general, the execution of a priest did not bring anyone any political points. Moreover, no one has come out openly with evidence that Nimr al-Nimr conducted terrorist activities. Obviously, the essence is different. The bottom line is that Iran is waging (without hiding it) the war for the religious influence of Shiism in the region. And in this light, the elimination of Ayatollah an-Nimr is quite understandable to himself.

Yes, one of the executed was one of the leaders of the al-Qaeda cell in Saudi Arabia, Faris Al-Zahrani. Who were the rest of the 45 people - the question, which in principle is not important.

It is important that none of those who campaign for democracy did not come out with angry condemnations. Still, not every day about fifty people are executed. But what about all sorts of moratoria? What about freedom? Well, okay. What can be one, then nothing else. Passed more than once.
It is clear that the oil crisis in the region requires (more precisely, the Saudis demand) that Iran be pushed back into the sanctions pit. You can release the same, but ... later. When the barrel will cost not 36, and 100 dollars. True?

True. But, alas, the word has already been given. Released.

Then the old and tried way. We, here in Russia, have known this to everyone for a long time. Oh, those barbarians in Iran! How can you talk about anything at all? The glasses were broken, the diplomats were scared ... No, just back into the sanction pit! The only way!

Dipcorpus must be with strong nerves to pick up. But it was too tender for a diplomat to go with BV ... I wondered if Lavrov would learn ...

But - done. And to all, in general, do not care that on one side of the scale two dozen broken glasses, and on the other - a killed priest. Unequal? Yes, but who cares?

I waited, I confess, a terrible cry from overseas. In defense of the executed. But I confess, I waited in that sense, to see how this cry was spat. Not wait. What was recited from Washington, calls for Riyadh and Tehran for diplomatic dialogue, "encouraging diplomatic communication" and calls for "taking positive steps to calm tensions" is, excuse me, baby talk, no more.

The statements of the European Union were made in the spirit of similar reports from Washington. The spokesman for the head of EU diplomacy, Catherine Ray, noted that "the EU is closely following the situation around Saudi Arabia, keeps contacts at all levels and continues to call for keeping the situation under control."

Do not tear the throat there, summoning. And then yell far away ... they will not hear.

Yes, everyone urged not to escalate confrontation in the region. However, the “process has begun,” as one former politician used to say, and now a political corpse.

The situation, of course, is not quite out of control. Moreover, it is unlikely that in the near future a real military conflict is possible, which the “experts” have so actively spoken about in many media. So far, open warfare does not seem to be something real, if only because of the lack of a common border. But. There is Iraq, where it is now a little quieter than in Syria, and, oddly enough, there is Yemen, where the SA and Iran quietly kick each other by proxy. And there is the Persian Gulf.

Of course, all this is pitchfork on the water of the Gulf and is written. There will be no conflict. At least for now. So far, the Saudis do not have the forces to openly confront Iran, however strange that may sound.

Yes, the SA army at first glance has a newer technique than the Iranian one. And what's more, the Saudis would like even more modernization. But at first the Germans flatly refused to sell “Leopards-2” (you see, they do not trade with an autocratic state weapons), then the Russians are considering something for a long time about the sale of 650 units of BMP-3 ... But even in this aspect, the CA army is very impressive quantitatively.

But the quality ... with quality is worse. Over the past 100 years, the Saudis have been involved in three conflicts. And in one, for the disputed territories with Yemen (it was in the 30s of the last century) they even snatched their territories. But this is like a conflict with Russia and Georgia, approximately of such a plan. I don’t take the Gulf War into account at all, there was one 12 for it, and 12 from 11 is purely on dancers from the USA. But in the Arab-Israeli war did not really work ... not at all.
Iranian army looks more impressive. Yes, there is also a lot to be updated, so it’s easier for Iran. Ally drew. Poor erasable. Probably help. But Iran’s fleet is such that in case anything happens, you can forget about free movement along the Gulf.

But this is all the lyrics. The essence is different. The bottom line is that with all the tension of the situation at first glance, it’s definitely not worthwhile to conclude that there will be a war between Iran and Saudi Arabia tomorrow. So far, there is no one to fight, no one, no reason.

But oil on the background of all this went up. What is in the hands of all the participants of the Middle Eastern circus.
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  1. saigon
    saigon 5 January 2016 07: 44 New
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    And where and through how can they fight? The question is so interesting arises? Across the strait? Something muddy all like that, it is not clear. The war is not clear, but the struggle for influence is no question.
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 5 January 2016 08: 01 New
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      Quote: saigon
      Where and through how can they war?

      They are already fighting, in Syria, and in Yemen ... moreover, the SA badly scrubs SCAD missiles on its territory, there was information about the use of the Tochka missiles, and according to the media information, a rocket besides technology was buried by high-ranking SA officers and black-water mercenaries.
      Quote: saigon
      Through the strait?

      Yes, right in the strait. Iran has a naval base on Farsi island, a kind of unsinkable aircraft carrier in the center of the bay - in 100 km from the monarchy coast and in 500 km from Riyadh ... and in the narrowest place of the Strait of Hormuz - the main Iranian base Bender - Abbas. And 20% of the entire oil trade and 35% of all tanker shipments pass through the Strait of Hormuz.

      Iran’s armament has PKR Raad, Nur and Kader, which are capable of making the entire Saudi fleet underwater, and the bay unnavigable. And the Iranian fleet itself commands respect - only some submarines - 24, of which three are quiet "Halibut", in addition to which there are 5 frigates, 4 corvette and an unlimited number of missile boats, each of which carries anti-ship missiles with a range of destruction up to 120 km.
      1. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 5 January 2016 08: 11 New
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        Quote: Sid.74
        and in Yemen ... moreover, the SA makes good missiles at SCAD, on its territory,


        I heard a rumor that the Israeli "iron dome" began to help the Saudis.
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 5 January 2016 08: 18 New
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          Quote: Max_Bauder
          I heard a rumor that the Israeli "iron dome" began to help the Saudis.

          They can ... because as if they did not like the SA .... but Iran will not love everything more than anything else. If they help, then for their "small" fee, you can build two more such systems.
          1. Al_oriso
            Al_oriso 5 January 2016 08: 47 New
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            Israel "does not love" all its neighbors. He can help only in order to push the conflict from its borders.
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            2. Tatyana
              Tatyana 5 January 2016 09: 37 New
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              I liked the article very much, especially these wonderful spiteful pearls.
              1. what is not less important - competition for souls of believers is no less than for oil.
              2. WaitedI admit menacing scream from across the ocean. In defense of the executed. But I admit, I waited in the sense to see how they spit on this shout. Not wait
              3. Yes, everyone called not to escalate the confrontation in the region. However, "the process has begun," as one former politician used to say, and now a political corpse.
              4. I don’t take the war in the Gulf into account at all, there was 12 for one, and from 12, 11 is pure at the dancers in the USA.
              5. well and Iran has such a fleet, that in which case you can forget about free movement in the Gulf.
              6. So far there’s no one to fight, no one to fight, and no reason. But oil against the background of all this went up. What is the benefit of all participants Middle Eastern Circus.
              1. FlyEngine
                FlyEngine 5 January 2016 13: 49 New
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                Do not consider me a fascist or something else, but I was thinking. If only a couple of countries did not exist in the world, we would have long ago begun to colonize the Moon. Instead, bathe in hrnoy. Look at this medieval state. Why does it even exist? What good does it bring to humanity as a community of our species?
                1. Talgat
                  Talgat 5 January 2016 19: 30 New
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                  Quote: FlyEngine
                  Why does it even exist? What good does it bring to humanity as a community of our species?



                  Mankind is nothing like a reminder of the Middle Ages and obscurantism

                  But it brings to the rulers of the West - control over oil prices. Therefore, the US "holds" them
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 6 January 2016 10: 34 New
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                    Quote: Talgat
                    Nothing like humanity


                    Yes, the country is medieval, but for some reason education and medicine are free for citizens there, including studying abroad ...
                    Can your country boast of this (our “social state” cannot either)?
                    1. Asadullah
                      Asadullah 6 January 2016 21: 58 New
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                      Yes, the country is medieval, but for some reason education and medicine are free for citizens there, including study abroad .
                      Can your country boast of this (our “social state” cannot either)?


                      Are you Saud and study abroad ?! belay

                      It must only be added that this is possible only for citizens professing Sunni Islam. By the way, they can study abroad only in Islamic madrassas. And also various troubles, for example, a penalty for the lack of a beard, although you can get lashes and do not even understand why.
                      1. little man
                        little man 8 January 2016 09: 36 New
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                        if you were born in Luxembourg, then you are provided with both education and a highly paid public office, and the rest, as you know, ...
                    2. visitork67
                      visitork67 7 January 2016 00: 21 New
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                      In Libya, there was something similar. Where is Comrade Muammar? Shut up or something, hare.
                    3. Mavrikiy
                      Mavrikiy 7 January 2016 14: 29 New
                      +2
                      The country of Talgat and mine could boast of the best free education and medicine, unlike all the "social states" in the world, or did you forget?
                2. Weyland
                  Weyland 5 January 2016 21: 37 New
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                  Quote: FlyEngine
                  Why does it even exist? What good does it bring to humanity as a community of our species?


                  I recalled the statement of one of the great:
                  "Switzerland exists as a result of God's permission and human errors"
                  In case you are a non-religious person, I’ll explain one nuance: according to Christian concepts, all the good in the world is done according to God's will, and all the bad is done according to God tolerance.
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                4. Altona
                  Altona 6 January 2016 16: 44 New
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                  Quote: FlyEngine
                  Look at this medieval state. Why does it even exist? What good does it bring to humanity as a community of our species?

                  --------------------------------
                  Builds expensive artificial oases, creates Ferrari museums, towers with artificial snow for ski holidays. But by and large there is nothing substantial, only expensive toys for the rich in the desert ...

                  PS As for the army, by the way. The Georgians had more advanced weapons in the conflict on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, the tanks were equipped with modern digital devices (SLAs), the most accurate GPS maps, satellite images, excellent communications, the soldiers traveled in Scorpion vehicles, no one there on foot or in armor. Did it help them? Helped a lot?
                  1. Asadullah
                    Asadullah 6 January 2016 22: 02 New
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                    Builds expensive artificial oases, creates Ferrari museums, towers with artificial snow for ski holidays. But by and large there is nothing substantial, only expensive toys for the rich in the desert ...


                    Forgot about the paint with gold for camels. Anyway, what do you want from the Bedouins? They even have an elite educated in Europe that confuses physics and chemistry.
              2. avva2012
                avva2012 5 January 2016 14: 12 New
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                competition for the souls of believers is no less than for oil.
                I do not think pearl, malicious. In SA, Shiites make up approximately 10 — 15%. Not so little. The difference between Sunnis and Shiites is understood mainly by theologians. To the majority of the population, all these differences are said to be a shit. I do not think that the inhabitants of the SA, all the fanatics, TV and Western culture, one way or another, are doing their job.
                1. the most important
                  the most important 5 January 2016 19: 59 New
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                  Quote: avva2012
                  The difference between Sunnis and Shiites is understood mainly by theologians. To the majority of the population, all these differences are said to be a shit.

                  I ask Russian Muslims (for fun) who are you: Sunites or Shiites ??? Judging by the reaction, and asked repeatedly, it is easier for them to answer what is the difference between a simple and a decimal logarithm ...
                  1. varov14
                    varov14 5 January 2016 20: 37 New
                    +5
                    I’m afraid if we ask our what the difference between Orthodoxy and the Catholic will not be answered either. Orthodox and Orthodox, but there even though the grass does not grow, let the priests understand themselves. We are still learning to be baptized after atheism.
                  2. Cap.Morgan
                    Cap.Morgan 5 January 2016 21: 05 New
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                    They are all Sunnis. Shiites in a certain amount live in Azerbaijan.
                    Such things must be known. You see the difference between Orthodox and Seventh-day Adventists.
                  3. Megatron
                    Megatron 5 January 2016 22: 07 New
                    +3
                    In general, traditional Russian Islam is Sufism.
                  4. iliitchitch
                    iliitchitch 6 January 2016 22: 31 New
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                    Quote: the most important
                    I ask Russian Muslims (for fun) who are you: Sunites or Shiites ??? Judging by the reaction, and asked repeatedly, it is easier for them to answer what is the difference between a simple and a decimal logarithm ...


                    Yesterday I also asked, one recalled that the difference in the number of prayers per day is 3 or 5. The logic is amazing: "We have 5, then we are right." . But the Sunnis or Shiites - a serious difficulty.
                2. Altona
                  Altona 6 January 2016 16: 48 New
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                  Quote: avva2012
                  TV and Western culture, one way or another, are doing their job.

                  ----------------------------
                  The underground pleasure market is prostitution, elite alcohol, pure cocaine, and porn films have not been canceled. Simply, if you are caught, then according to the hierarchy they will be judged, the prosecutor’s office there is very selective and with an “expanded understanding” of the influential and rich ...
            3. Lelek
              Lelek 5 January 2016 11: 36 New
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              Quote: Al_oriso
              He can help only in order to push the conflict from its borders.


              Well, in general, and rightly so. Surrounded by enemies you need to look for "the enemy of my enemy" yes .
          2. devor71
            devor71 7 January 2016 17: 09 New
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            Russia will supply Iran with S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems by the end of 2015, while the number of systems will correspond to those ordered under the 2007 contract. This was reported by RIA Novosti a high-ranking source in the Russian Foreign Ministry.
        2. Lepila
          Lepila 5 January 2016 08: 53 New
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          They say that chickens are milked)))
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 5 January 2016 09: 08 New
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            Quote: Lepila
            They say that chickens are milked)))

            Oh that okay. Who-who and Israel straight hands rubbing in anticipation of an epic spectacle.yes
            You formally have nothing to do with the conflict in Syria, and the photos of Netanyahu with Syrian militants in an Israeli hospital speak for themselves.
            1. Hello
              Hello 5 January 2016 09: 22 New
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              Quote: Sid.74
              Oh that okay. Who-who and Israel straight hands rubbing in anticipation of an epic spectacle.
              You formally have nothing to do with the conflict in Syria, and the photos of Netanyahu with Syrian militants in an Israeli hospital speak for themselves.

              Psychic? From the photographs of the broads determine? You didn’t write for the Spanish edition? wassat
              1. Sid.74
                Sid.74 5 January 2016 09: 37 New
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                Quote: Hello
                Psychic?

                laughing Let it be to you ... there it was directly stated that these were fighters of the "free Syrian army" ... fellow

                The Israeli "7 channel" reported that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during a visit to one of the bases of the Israeli armed forces in the Golan Heights visited the wounded Syrian militants being treated in a military hospital.

                According to the 10 channel, for all the events in Syria in Israel were healed from wounds received in battles with the Syrian army, 700 militants, 90% of which came to the country from the Syrian province of Quneitra.


                Ali can this IDF? winked
                1. Hello
                  Hello 5 January 2016 09: 43 New
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                  Quote: Sid.74
                  Let it be to you ... there it was directly stated that these were fighters of the "free Syrian army" ...

                  Do you probably have a link?
                  1. Sid.74
                    Sid.74 5 January 2016 09: 53 New
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                    Quote: Hello
                    Do you probably have a link?

                    Search laziness, but the fact that they opposed the troops of Assad is for sure.
                    And then the choice is small, either the IG, or An-Nusra, or the mythical free army. Well, or this is your soldiers disguised as women. bully
                    The same has already happened ...

                    At the end of October, the semi-official news agency Fars News, quoting a high-ranking Iraqi intelligence officer, reported on the capture of an Israeli army colonel named Yusi Oulen Shahak, who was reportedly directly related to the Golani battalion fighting in Iraq on the front line in the province of Salah ad Din (Salahuddin). In a statement, the commander of the Iraqi army said that "the army and popular forces captured the Israeli colonel." He also noted that the colonel of the AOI "took part in the terrorist operations of the takhirist group of ISIL." The colonel was detained along with a group of ISIS terrorists. Its secret military code is Re34356578765az231434. ”

                    Although ... even though the IG, even though An-Nusra, you are all friends ...
                    In December 2014 of the year, the Israeli Jerusalem Post published a report on the details of the largely neglected and politically “explosive” report, which details the UN's observations on the cooperation of the Israeli military with terrorists. The UN peacekeeping force, the UN Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF), which has been deployed along the Golan Heights on the border between Syria and Israel since 1974, revealed evidence of Israel’s close cooperation with Syrian terrorists, including the Al-Qaeda Front and Nusrah IG, in the Golan Heights, and the fact that they have continued close cooperation over the past 18 months. ” The report was submitted to the UN Security Council. Leading media in the US and in the West have hidden unflattering details
                    1. Hello
                      Hello 5 January 2016 10: 12 New
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                      Quote: Sid.74
                      Look for laziness

                      Links will not be, as I understand it? Oh well.
                      Quote: Sid.74
                      , but the fact that they opposed Assad’s troops is for sure.

                      Do you wang again? wassat
                      1. fennekRUS
                        fennekRUS 5 January 2016 12: 57 New
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                        Quote: Hello
                        Links will not be, as I understand it?

                        so what are you doing on these links? I agree that when quoting, it is necessary to indicate the sources. And on the Internet, you can throw any slop over the evening, especially since the site will be sawn up for hosting - you don’t need a great mind. Any threesome can handle
                      2. Victor-M
                        Victor-M 6 January 2016 02: 45 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Hello
                        Links will not be, as I understand it? Oh well.

                        Give a better link that this is not true. wink laughing
                      3. visitork67
                        visitork67 7 January 2016 03: 06 New
                        +1
                        Moderate terrorists - moderate missiles. May the moderate Conchita Martinez be.
                    2. Dan4eG
                      Dan4eG 5 January 2016 11: 16 New
                      -24
                      In general, it’s time to create a channel, like a Comedy Club, and there to read articles from the farce news, the rzhaka is still just like a censor!
                      if you imagine that after the letters Re comes the ID number, then why does it have 10 digits?
                      1. Hello
                        Hello 5 January 2016 11: 38 New
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                        Quote: Dan4eG
                        if you imagine that after the letters Re comes the ID number, then why does it have 10 digits?

                        I would look at that warrior who remembered such a personal number
                        Re34356578765az231434

                        It’s easier to shoot yourself, besides the fact that in Israel personal numbers consist of 7-8 digits and there were no letters hi
                      2. Warrior Hamilton
                        Warrior Hamilton 5 January 2016 17: 22 New
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                        Actually, as I understand it, Re34356578765az231434 is the number of some kind of Internet link? And everything else is a continuation of yesterday’s conversation about white and fluffy, that is, "I am right in my truthful truth more truthful than all truths, and if you wanted to say something, then" Sam "! negative fool
                      3. Dan4eG
                        Dan4eG 5 January 2016 17: 49 New
                        -5
                        No, you’re right no matter how when! I understand when they catch a spy and the newspaper writes his passport details, but they should be at least somehow similar to real ones! Just cramming the numbers and assigning “mossad” is just as simple as with GRU passports!
                  2. Otshelnik
                    Otshelnik 5 January 2016 12: 51 New
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                    Well, after you created a tragedy club on Earth, nobody laughs ...
                2. Wiski
                  Wiski 5 January 2016 11: 17 New
                  -14
                  In late October, the semi-official news agency Fars Neshs, quoting a senior Iraqi intelligence officer


                  To cite news from an Iranian news agency as an argument? laughing
                  I haven’t laughed like that for a long time.



                  UN on the cooperation of the Israeli military with terrorists.



                  Copy fictional news is this your hobby? bully
                  1. Pereira
                    Pereira 5 January 2016 11: 42 New
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                    Are there really people who believe that Israel has nothing to do with it, doesn’t harm anyone in the BV, but quietly stands aside and waits until everything ends by itself for the pleasure of Israel itself? Unless the Jews. But they are excusable. They are all to one victim of a monstrous injustice on the part of the people of planet Earth.
                  2. Hello
                    Hello 5 January 2016 12: 10 New
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                    Quote: Pereira
                    Are there really people who believe that Israel has nothing to do with it, doesn’t harm anyone in the BV, but quietly stands aside and waits until everything by itself ends to the delight of Israel itself?

                    There are, and these people seem to be sitting in the Russian military department, otherwise where does the agreement on the exchange of information come from? Air Force Coordination and Hotline. And the representative of your president who frequented everything from us to us. hi
                  3. Pereira
                    Pereira 5 January 2016 16: 05 New
                    +6
                    I believe that there are Jews in our defense department. But, hopefully, not very much. Not like effective managers.
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              3. Avantageur
                Avantageur 10 January 2016 19: 45 New
                +1
                Quote: Wiski
                To cite news from an Iranian news agency as an argument? laughing
                I haven’t laughed like that for a long time.

                What news agencies do you prefer? Al-Jazeera Channel News, or maybe Voice of America news and analytics lol

          2. APASUS
            APASUS 5 January 2016 11: 12 New
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            Quote: Hello
            Quote: Sid.74
            Let it be to you ... there it was directly stated that these were fighters of the "free Syrian army" ...

            Do you probably have a link?

            Here is a referencehttp://www.liveleak.com/view?i=79f_1392772508
            1. Hello
              Hello 5 January 2016 11: 32 New
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              Quote: APASUS
              Here is a link to youhttp: //www.liveleak.com/view? I = 79f_1392772508

              An excellent link would you bring the "voice of the Sudan" or the free Qatari press there. Where is the evidence? Everyone writes met with a terrorist and not a single evidence, only links of one jaundice to the words of another jaundice. So stuffing is written. fellow
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 5 January 2016 12: 13 New
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                Quote: Hello
                Quote: APASUS
                Here is a link to youhttp: //www.liveleak.com/view? I = 79f_1392772508

                An excellent link would you bring the "voice of the Sudan" or the free Qatari press there. Where is the evidence? Everyone writes met with a terrorist and not a single evidence, only links of one jaundice to the words of another jaundice. So stuffing is written. fellow

                Link to the video from which the photo was taken. What other evidence do you have, contract numbers, copies of documents signed by Benjamin Netanyahu, fingerprints of Benjamin Netanyahu, maps where IDF units are located.
                Maybe right away where Benjamin Netanyahu unloads a truck with a wounded Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, you don’t take other arguments ??
              2. Hello
                Hello 5 January 2016 12: 27 New
                -15
                Quote: APASUS
                , you don’t perceive other arguments ??

                And what were the arguments? Maybe everyone who Bibi shakes hands with terrorists will write? Lavrov with Kerry for example. Are there any facts that this peasant is a peasant? Or so simple just to say?
              3. APASUS
                APASUS 5 January 2016 13: 01 New
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                Quote: Hello
                Quote: APASUS
                , you don’t perceive other arguments ??

                And what were the arguments? Maybe everyone who Bibi shakes hands with terrorists will write? Lavrov with Kerry for example. Are there any facts that this peasant is a peasant? Or so simple just to say?

                What arguments do you need again, the passport of this woman, the blood type and the family tree?
                Publico.es, Spain
                What had previously been issued as a "conspiracy theory," in fact turned out to be true. As part of the conspiracy of the West against the Syrian state, Israel, starting in 2011, provided military and material and technical assistance to al-Qaeda in Syria.

                Photographs by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the media with a wounded Syrian rebel in an Israeli military hospital in the Golan Heights prompted such authoritative international publications as The Wall Street Journal, The Times of Israel and The Daily Beast to conduct their own investigation.

                Why did such a high-ranking Israeli official, who had repeatedly called on the world community to fight against Islamic terrorists from Hamas and Iran, shake hands with the “Islamic militant” who wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth?

                It should be noted that the UN Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF) of the Syrian and Israeli forces repeatedly reported Israeli military contacts with fighters from the Front al-Nusra, which is closely linked to Al-Qaida.
              4. Hello
                Hello 5 January 2016 15: 03 New
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                Quote: APASUS
                What arguments do you need again, the passport of this woman, the blood type and the family tree?

                That is, besides speculation, there is nothing? At least show him a photo with a weapon. And then I look everyone with authority declares what happened, but there is no evidence that something.
                I remember a story with GRU sergeants in Ukraine, and one comrade even waved his passports at the UN, but did not bring any evidence. And how everyone shouted the GRU captures Ukraine. Does it not remind you of anything?
              5. APASUS
                APASUS 5 January 2016 15: 55 New
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                Quote: Hello
                That is, besides speculation, there is nothing?

                It’s ridiculous to deny the facts, I can prove it to you if I post a video of how this militant cuts his head, otherwise he is a civilian. You need to post copies of documents that have Netanyahu’s signature and indicate the number of weapons transferred personally to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
                I understand correctly?
                And such a publication, “Business Insider”, the United States, which published the article “Israel carefully arming Syrian rebels,” of course you do not have authority?
                Some rebel groups maintain constant contact with the Israeli army, including frequent secret meetings held in Tiberias, but were only provided with a small amount of weapons, mostly rocket-propelled grenade launchers.
                However, more military assistance may be needed in the next few months,

                Or that can confirm the words of Yosi Melman (יוסי מלמן) Maariv, Israel.
                Article
                Will Israel save the Syrian Druze?
                this is not a fact for you.
              6. Hello
                Hello 5 January 2016 16: 24 New
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                Quote: APASUS
                And such a publication, “Business Insider”, the United States, which published the article “Israel carefully arming Syrian rebels,” of course you do not have authority?

                I remember some authoritative publications about Russia that they wrote a lot of things, to believe all? Or selectively?
                Quote: APASUS
                It's funny to deny the facts

                They are facts as axioms they can not be denied, the question is where are the facts?
                Quote: APASUS
                I can prove to you if I post a video of how this action movie cuts his head, otherwise he is a civilian

                I will be glad if you at least find his photo with a weapon. As you know, a person in a hospital bed has no signs of a terrorist, even though he is an Arab.
                Quote: APASUS
                Or that can confirm the words of Yosi Melman (יוסי מלמן) Maariv, Israel.
                Article

                What side are the Druze here?
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 5 January 2016 19: 52 New
      +3
      Why is Sudan's voice bad? Are you an intolerant racist?
    3. Victor-M
      Victor-M 6 January 2016 02: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Hello
      Where is the evidence?

      It’s good to beg, it’s not for you, you are your chosen ones. fellow laughing
    4. hydrox
      hydrox 6 January 2016 10: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: Hello
      So stuffing is written.


      So refute, you are our liberal - and we will all be happy!
      You can not? So take out a rag from your pocket and shut up :: no one on the web is required to engage in your enlightenment ...
      And then your whining has already got everyone!
  • Wiski
    Wiski 5 January 2016 11: 12 New
    -3
    Quote: Sid.74
    The Israeli "7 channel" reported that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during a visit to one of the bases of the Israeli armed forces in the Golan Heights visited the wounded Syrian militants being treated in a military hospital.

    The usual distortion of corrupt media.

    In fact, the news of channel 7 sounded the same there was not a word about the militants.


    The head of government also visited the army hospital, where medical assistance is provided to several Syrian citizens who suffered as a result of hostilities in their homeland; among them were wounded children.

    It should be noted that during this visit, the head of government for the first time personally talked with the citizens of Syria, who were brought to the Jewish state for treatment, as well as with the doctors who assist them.

    “I’d like to see foreign media correspondents here who accuse Israel of war crimes and violations of the principles of humanism every day,” said Benjamin Netanyahu. “In this hospital you can see with your own eyes that it is here that a clear line is drawn between the forces of Good and the forces of Evil.”

    “Israel is good, saving the lives of the victims of the fratricidal massacre in Syria. This hospital is the true face of Israel. Evil is Iran supplying weapons for this massacre. All the wounded, not to mention the dead, were injured due to the fact that Iran is arming, sponsoring and training the Assad regime in the methods of mass murder of its own Syrian people, ”he continued.

    “It is very important that representatives of the leading countries of the world who meet in Vienna with envoys from Iran know about this. For it is Iran that is stepping up tension in the Middle East region and fanning the fire of the war in Syria, ”Netanyahu said. “Israel cannot refuse to help people who are knocking on its door.”
    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 5 January 2016 15: 32 New
      +5
      Ahahaha. Selling Media !!!! Is there such a thing? !!!!!! This is only in Russia, the media are corrupt. EVERYONE else writes only the truth! Didn't you know that?
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 5 January 2016 21: 43 New
      +8
      Quote: Wiski
      Good is Israel, saving the lives of the victims of the fratricidal massacre in Syria. This hospital is the true face of Israel. Evil is Iran supplying weapons for this massacre


      This is strong! Hottentot moral: "Good is when I steal cows from my neighbor and force his wife, and evil is when my neighbor steals cows from me and force my wife!"
    3. Weyland
      Weyland 5 January 2016 21: 43 New
      0
      Quote: Wiski
      Good is Israel, saving the lives of the victims of the fratricidal massacre in Syria. This hospital is the true face of Israel. Evil is Iran supplying weapons for this massacre


      This is strong! Hottentot moral: "Good is when I steal cows from my neighbor and force his wife, and evil is when my neighbor steals cows from me and force my wife!"
  • Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 5 January 2016 12: 49 New
    +5
    Or maybe the IDF) let go of his beard, tamed his pants and helped the ideological Wahhabi brothers)
    1. blind
      blind 6 January 2016 07: 10 New
      0
      it is unlikely for Israel to win the igil victory and this is obvious. yes, I agree that when the mess in Syria just started and there were no needles yet, there were only friends of the opposition, Israel warmly supported them and treated the militants at home, but those days have passed
  • the most important
    the most important 5 January 2016 20: 04 New
    +2
    Quote: Hello
    From the photographs of the broads determine?

    apparently, these are simply poor orphans (Ilf and Petrov describe this in more detail).
  • Tusv
    Tusv 5 January 2016 10: 08 New
    12
    Quote: Lepila
    They say that chickens are milked)))

    You just have not tried :)
    Noble milkmaids say one egg per day from each chicken.
  • Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 5 January 2016 12: 45 New
    +6
    "Sin" does not help one's own. One roots (the Saudis are rooted in the Jews), one ideology (Zionism and Wahhabism are not much different from each other, both are based on hatred)
  • padded jacket
    padded jacket 5 January 2016 15: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: Max_Bauder
    I heard a rumor that the Israeli "iron dome" began to help the Saudis.

    This situation provoking a war between Sunnis and Shiites is, in the first place, necessary for Israel, which wants to provoke a “big war” in this way and mask its participation in the education and support of terrorists from Daesh (IS), Al-Nusra from the whole world.
    Saudi regime violates human rights and serves Zionist regime
    The Iranian diplomat continued: We need to remain calm before the irrational and unreasonable actions of Saudi Arabia. It is necessary to explain to the Islamic world the fact that Riyadh is providing services to the Zionist regime.
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    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 5 January 2016 21: 13 New
      +1
      Such a war will not hurt us either.
      It’s high time to give Saudi a hat. At least the hands of Iran.
      Saudis and Turks are behind the turmoil in the Caucasus. Already 25 years old.
  • atalef
    atalef 6 January 2016 06: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Max_Bauder
    Quote: Sid.74
    and in Yemen ... moreover, the SA makes good missiles at SCAD, on its territory,


    I heard a rumor that the Israeli "iron dome" began to help the Saudis.

    Does not help. ZHEK is intended only for missiles up to 40 km and not sold SA. (yes, it seems, I have not sold it to anyone yet
    Xia)
    Good morning and all happy new year
    Swaboda laughing
  • the most important
    the most important 5 January 2016 19: 54 New
    +4
    Quote: Sid.74
    some submarines - 24

    some really resemble the size of an inverted kayak ... But rockets can shoot them completely. This is a very profitable war for Russia. It is quickly necessary to send BMP-650 to SA 3, and T-90 to Iran, and a whole bunch more ... total ... SA is a real enemy of Russia, and Iran is a competitor, and in the future it will be like Turkey to consider itself a hegemon BV. The strengthening of these countries is not necessary for Russia, but the weakening is quite satisfactory. Friends of Russia in the BV is only Syria. Egypt is a partner ... the rest ... the rest must be reformatted so that they know who the owner of the BV is!
    1. atakan
      atakan 6 January 2016 04: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: the most important
      Strengthening these countries is not necessary for Russia, but the weakening is quite satisfactory

      I agree with you, BUT
      -, Here we step on the same rake as all of our t.s. "partners." As a result of the conflict, the collapse of both Saudi and Iran is possible.
      What does it mean to play against yourself. And the theory of "Controlled Chaos" will get its borders planned in the "good land" and the perspective that the neocons expected.
      sadness, wedge everywhere
      zugzwang is possible
  • Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 5 January 2016 08: 05 New
    +8
    Quote: saigon
    The war is not clear, but the struggle for influence is no question.

    By the way, it’s clear with the war - it’s already going on. In Yemen. With pro-Iranian forces on the one hand and the Saudi coalition on the other. Now the degree of confrontation there will definitely increase. Wangyu will quickly sharply increase the fighting capabilities of the Hussites and transfer full-fledged military operations to the KSA territory.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 5 January 2016 09: 39 New
      +7
      Calling the Hussites pro-Iranian forces is the same as Churchill's staunch Stalinist. They have their own, special branch of Shiite Islam. They are with Iran because as soon as he helped them. But there are many contradictions.

      Now, all ports, marinas and moorings are bombed in Yemen, and even lonely fishing boats are being hunted. Therefore, the delivery of assistance has virtually ceased completely.

      Moreover, there is real hunger, just the world community does not crawl into conflict. The coalition bombed the entire food base - poultry farms, granaries.
  • midivan
    midivan 5 January 2016 08: 09 New
    10
    Quote: saigon
    And where and through how can they fight? The question is so interesting arises? Across the strait? Something muddy all like that, it is not clear. The war is not clear, but the struggle for influence is no question.

    for some, axes may suddenly appear in others, and preferably three caliber pieces per ax, than not war? and the strait does not interfere laughing and oil is growing fellow laughing there would be a desire, but as always there bully
    1. Ulysses
      Ulysses 5 January 2016 19: 11 New
      +1
      Only None performers. negative
  • Lepila
    Lepila 5 January 2016 08: 38 New
    -14
    For example, the Saudis may try to destroy the Iranian nuclear program. Technology at the Saudi Air Force is excellent
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 5 January 2016 08: 56 New
      +8
      Saudis may try to destroy the Iranian nuclear program.-They would rather buy the bomb themselves, and to destroy Iran’s nuclear program is Israel’s dream.
      The Saudis do not want to let Iran into the oil market. And the SA and Iran are already waging wars with the help of other people.
      And because of this, Israel began to make contact with Saudi Arabia (a couple of years ago) —that they would fight against Hezbollah against Iran.
    2. Sid.74
      Sid.74 5 January 2016 08: 59 New
      +6
      Quote: Lepila
      Technique at the Saudi Air Force canceled

      Well, in Yemen, they did not achieve success. A hired army is not the best ally, even with very good equipment.
    3. HAM
      HAM 5 January 2016 09: 27 New
      +4
      The technique still needs hands and brains, the Saudis do something bad with Yemen, well, unless you help.
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      2. Aleksandr72
        Aleksandr72 5 January 2016 10: 19 New
        13
        What else would you like to see? These are Arabs. And the last time they seriously fought back in the time of the Reconquista. The truth is not very successful - the Iberian Peninsula had to be abandoned. The Jordanian Arab Legion, as an example of a combat-ready formation, I ask you not to bring, because This military contingent was formed mainly from Circassians and Chechens, who had settled in the Middle East at one time. And the Saudis didn’t seriously fight with anyone at all - I have serious doubts that they know how to do this, especially given the traditionally low fighting efficiency of the Arabs. To fight is not to trade oil. The Saudis are likely to rely on the help of the "international community", which will declare Iran the next state - a hotbed of international terrorism, followed by the imposition of economic sanctions and the consequent transformation of Iran into a rogue state.
        Iran, too, cannot be called particularly combat-ready - its army needs serious modernization and rearmament - years of the embargo cannot be crossed out. The last serious conflict in which the Persians took an active part was the Iran-Iraq war, where not one of the warring parties demonstrated either the high martial art of their commanders or the particularly high fighting efficiency of their soldiers. True, in defense of Iran, it should be noted that its fighters looked somewhat better than the Iraqis, but at the same time they were forced to use infantry tactics fraught with great losses, the same "live wave" and "banzai attacks" on the minefields of the fighters of Pasdaran and the IRGC.
        However, the East is a delicate matter. The Saudis and Persians are still traders. Despite all the religious-ethnic and economic contradictions, these countries can still agree among themselves, especially if they have a mutual desire.
        Wait and see.
        I have the honor.
    4. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 5 January 2016 09: 30 New
      10
      They bought the equipment. But their natural curvature, and most importantly low combat stability, they will not be able to fix. It’s one thing to maintain morale in the square and with chants. Quite different - under the bullets in the trench. With the second they are extremely difficult. They don’t want to die for an idea themselves, and alahakbarna mercenaries at any moment can decide that it is more profitable to solve employers than to serve them.
    5. akinak-f
      akinak-f 5 January 2016 11: 40 New
      +6
      Is it like bombing centrifuges and reactors a bit? Which are covered by air defense, including Russian origin? To lose aviation and get hemorrhoids on the whole head? What kind of hemorrhoids, say? But sho, do not think Irina’s answer to the Saudi oil towers? And so that the radioactive cloud is just across the Gulf? Oh, but do they (the Saudis) need it? Yes, even for free? No, well, you're normal, sho keep these poets for complete suckers?
      Now a little for the technique. At one time, the Egyptian army also had the best equipment in the world, no? And did she help her in the Sinai? You sho, did not learn the history of your country?
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 6 January 2016 09: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: akinak-f
        At one time, the Egyptian army also had the best equipment in the world, no? And did she help her in the Sinai? You sho, did not learn the history of your country?

        well no! they have such a nice feature: selective memory ... repeat
  • donavi49
    donavi49 5 January 2016 09: 35 New
    +5
    Through Iraq - simultaneously doubling the army, at the expense of the Shiites.

    There, the entire South of Iraq is Shiites. And they were burnt by the execution too very much. Many leaders, such as As Sadr, Badr organizations, Shiite brigades openly urge to slaughter the Saudis.
  • Blondy
    Blondy 5 January 2016 10: 03 New
    +7
    In my blonde view, neither one nor the other needs the real conflict, but to create the appearance - yes, only foam can be removed with just one rise in oil prices ... So, we are waiting for a grandiose performance with all the turns and the bells and whistles.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 6 January 2016 04: 08 New
    0
    “In 2016, the old but still strong player enters the arena of the Middle East theater, or rather, it returns. And it makes sense to try to“ knock out ”the player before he begins to play at full strength." (From the article). In my opinion, the author of the article is right. Played out with lower oil prices. Iran with access to the oil market will only benefit, and the Arabs will receive an even greater drop in oil prices - the economy is not rubber. And to live forever at the expense of foreign labor, having sand and camels in reserve will not work. Every freebie has its limits.
  • topwar)
    topwar) 6 January 2016 20: 10 New
    0
    tweet tweet, zaregal, you are not here, hahah, the Internet, well, guys, go ahead) they’re calling me from Rostelecom, and at least someone took care of my opinion about the introduction of any troops somewhere? only now they’re calling with everyone, I’m sorry you understood, but if in essence no one solicits me and where is democracy, justice, law?)))
  • Same lech
    Same lech 5 January 2016 07: 47 New
    15
    But oil on the background of all this went up. What is in the hands of all the participants of the Middle Eastern circus.


    Yeah .... more corpses more oil price.
    Something this product was a death sentence for hundreds of thousands of people in the MIDDLE EAST ... a trend however.
    1. arpad
      arpad 5 January 2016 07: 54 New
      -9
      Quote: The same Lech
      But oil on the background of all this went up. What is in the hands of all the participants of the Middle Eastern circus.


      Yeah .... more corpses more oil price.
      Something this product was a death sentence for hundreds of thousands of people in the MIDDLE EAST ... a trend however.

      There will be no war between them. Iran alone. As for Saudi Arabia and the monarchies of the gulf, not only the USA and England but also all the states of the Arab League and the Sunni countries are standing.
      Today, Sudan has severed relations with Iran so it will go further and Iran will be left completely alone. against the background of the upcoming lifting of sanctions (which Mran has been waiting for so long) - he will not get involved in the war room.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 5 January 2016 08: 10 New
        21
        Quote: arpad
        but all the states of the Arab League and the Sunni countries.

        I think the love of the Arab League to the SA is greatly exaggerated. Without money, they would have been sent nafig long ago.
        Quote: arpad
        Today, Sudan has broken off relations with Iran and it will go on and Iran will be completely alone.

        With Russia alone will not ... wink Moreover, the first batch of C-300 should have already arrived in Tehran.
        And in Yemen, the Saudis are raking ... ogrebyat. And the Arab League condemns, only the camel is still there. Pakistan and Lebanon sent a coalition of Saudites, sent.
        And the SA is not Sunni at all, but Wahhabis. Nobody will cry for these camel drivers, okromya Washington and Paris. Yes, and in Libya, the son of Gadhafi was resurrected. wink
        1. arpad
          arpad 5 January 2016 08: 28 New
          -4
          Quote: Sid.74
          I think the love of the Arab League to the SA is greatly exaggerated. Without money, they would have been sent nafig long ago.

          Your mistake. LAS - League of Arab States --- ARABIC - Do you have a little name?
          Quote: Sid.74
          With Russia alone will not remain ... Moreover, the first batch of S-300 was already supposed to come to Tehran.

          Well, yes, you have already connected Russia to the Iranian wars.
          There will be no war, which is not clear?
          Quote: Sid.74
          And in Yemen, the Saudis are raking ... raking. And

          Well it is in your dreams.
          Quote: Sid.74
          And the SA are not Sunnis at all, but Wahhabis

          How about that. what would you pick up a materiel?
          Wahhabis cannot be anyone else. except by the Sunnis, with APRIORI.
          Quote: Sid.74
          No one will cry for these camel drivers, besides Washington and Paris. Yes, and in Libya, the son of Gaddafi has risen

          What is your mess in my head, you excuse me.
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 5 January 2016 08: 51 New
            +7
            Quote: arpad
            Wahhabis can not be anyone else. except sunni, and apriori

            They are Wahhabis in Wahhabi in Africa. This is generally a political and not a religious doctrine, which says that the whole world should be brought to Islam, and this in which Mohammed lived. Everything modern and secular is alien to them.
            They have little to do with the Sunnis, for Wahhabism is not a religious branch. It’s rather a political view of religion.

            Quote: arpad
            What is your mess in my head, you excuse me.

            And what's wrong? France destroyed Libya with money from SA. With another's hands, she removed a competitor. If Gaddafi’s son is really alive. It means that the CA has one more "sworn friend".
            The United States will grieve because the dollar largely supports the oil trade in dollars, which is why it became known as petrodollar.
            And it will not be the SA, who knows ... what will happen. And about camel drivers ... so they are Bedouins.
            From the point of view of some ethnographers, Wahhabis are a relatively new trend, caused by the exacerbation of socio-economic and political conditions between the part of the Bedouin population.

            The emir of the city of Dirya - Muhammad ibn Saud ibn Muhammad ibn Mikrin al-Muraydi - in the XVIII century adopted the ideology of the movement as a state, with the result that the Dirian emirate from a small state in a short time became the owner of almost the entire territory of the Arabian Peninsula. The successor of this state is today's Saudi Arabia.

            Here you have more ... Sunni say ... Al crazy.
            In the 1998 year, as part of the campaign to destroy idols, the Saudi authorities ordered to flatten and fill with gasoline the grave of the mother of the Prophet Muhammad - Amina bint Wahb, which led to a wave of protests and sharp condemnation among Muslims around the world
        2. UZBEK TASHKENT
          UZBEK TASHKENT 5 January 2016 08: 43 New
          +1
          Iran has already burned itself with Russia at one time, so Russia does not have confidence in Tehran and will not consider us as allies. Israel is already helping the Saudis, Azerbaijan is still left with the Turks for Wahhabis. It seems like Iran has nowhere else to go but Russia, but again a matter of trust. There will be no war. Iranians understand who they really have to fight against. Although, now is the time for us to decide and prove our friendship of peoples. Do not get involved in the conflict will not work.
          1. Kaiten
            Kaiten 5 January 2016 12: 12 New
            -2
            Quote: UZBEK TASHKENT
            Israel already helps the Saudis

            How so?
          2. Cap.Morgan
            Cap.Morgan 5 January 2016 12: 24 New
            +1
            There are no eternal allies and opponents.
            Yesterday there was no trust - today there is. Moreover, war is very possible.
            On the other side of the USA is the Great Satan.
            Remember who the Lesser Satan is. We, or rather the USSR.
          3. Otshelnik
            Otshelnik 5 January 2016 13: 02 New
            +2
            "Azerbaijan is still left with the Turks for Wahhabis"
            No offense, but I did not know that the Uzbek brothers for the new year get so drunk)
          4. avva2012
            avva2012 5 January 2016 15: 19 New
            +2
            Iran has already been burned with Russia at one time, so Russia has no confidence in Tehran
            Do you read their minds? And, with Iran, they want or don’t want, from serious states, there are no more allies. So that their authorities will forget all insults. In addition, Russia, this is not the USSR, and therefore not the "little Satan." Azerbaijan, sorry, not Turkey. They understand very well that, again, if they are not friends with Russia, Turkey will eat them. And why do those in power in this country need this?
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 5 January 2016 09: 42 New
      +5
      So oil did not even raise the dollar. And it is still not clear why, because of Iran and Saudi Arabia, or because of the storming of the largest working oil terminal in Libya. Moreover, according to the results of the IG remained the town and oil storage.

      Real fluctuation will occur if tankers or oil fields start to burn.
  • Sid.74
    Sid.74 5 January 2016 07: 48 New
    +7
    Do not think that the current state of affairs in the oil business does not affect the Saudis. Reflected, they will not go anywhere.

    And then ... request
    Saudi Arabia has budgeted for 2016 a year deficit of 326,2 billion riyals, or roughly 87 billion dollars. This was reported on Monday by the Ministry of Finance of the Kingdom.

    And one moment... what
    The largest line in the country's budget will be funding the needs of the Ministry of Defense, National Guard, Ministry of the Interior and other security agencies. They plan to allocate about a quarter of all expenses - more than 213 billion riyals, or almost 57 billion dollars.

    I think they deliberately executed the priest. In order to provoke a local conflict against Iran.
    It is important that none of those who campaign for democracy did not come out with angry condemnations.
    Oh, better they would not say anything at all.
    White House: Saudi-Iranian conflict harms settlement in Syria.
    White House: The United States will seek to end the conflict between Saudi Arabia and Iran.
    The White House condemns Saudi Arabia for carrying out mass executions.
    Everything... request
    1. pticas
      pticas 6 January 2016 07: 28 New
      0
      That is very curious, but will there be an "act of Nimr al-Nimra"?
      Does the USA have the same experience under the act of Magnitsky, etc., etc.?
  • parusnik
    parusnik 5 January 2016 07: 49 New
    10
    However, the "process has begun," as one former politician used to say, and now a political corpse.... Nevertheless, the "process has begun", as one political corpse, a former politician used to say ... So vile ..
    But oil on the background of all this went up. What is in the hands of all the participants of the Middle Eastern circus.... It’s also beneficial for the director .. USA .. Their shale oil industry, it’s become very thin .. it can bend .. As they say its own oil is closer to the body ...
    1. arpad
      arpad 5 January 2016 08: 03 New
      -16
      Quote: parusnik
      But oil against the backdrop of all this went up. What is it to all participants of the Middle East circus .... It’s also beneficial for the director .. USA .. Their shale oil industry, it’s become very thin .. it can bend .. As they say its own oil is closer to the body

      Well, yes, 3 days ago everyone diligently proved. that the US is beneficial in lowering oil prices. Today . that the United States benefits from higher oil prices.
      As they say . Understand - when it is profitable, when it is not profitable.
      Saudi executed the Shiite imam - for specific things - the creation of a terrorist cell and not submission to the king. someone may like it. to someone not. but Saudi monarchy is Sunni and if the Shiites did not like its order. he could calmly leave or sit and quietly sniff in both holes.
      Saudmiya is neither democracy nor smells there.
      Saudi Arabia could not react to the defeat of the embassy (in Iran) in any way (like any other country, whose embassy would have been defeated without apology by the countries where the embassy was located)
      so don’t say that. and all this mess was brewed by Iran.
      Saudi executed her citizen for specific (in her opinion, crimes), the Iranians defeated the embassy of another state on their territory (and the authorities did not resist this and did not apologize) - how else should Saudi respond?
      so who started?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 5 January 2016 08: 20 New
        +5
        Well, yes, 3 days ago everyone diligently proved. that the US is beneficial in lowering oil prices. Today . that the United States benefits from higher oil prices.
        As they say . Understand - when it is profitable, when it is not profitable.
        .
        Nobody proved anything, 3 days ago .. If you talked about this, you also mentioned the Saudis .. and it was also beneficial to lower oil prices .. why? I wrote in a comment ..
      2. pv1005
        pv1005 5 January 2016 08: 59 New
        +6
        Quote: arpad
        Saudi Arabia could not react to the defeat of the embassy (in Iran) in any way (like any other country, whose embassy would have been defeated without apology by the countries where the embassy was located)
        so don’t say that. and all this mess was brewed by Iran.

        Just like the United States to defeat the embassy and kill the ambassador in Libya. And judging by your logic in the collapse of Libya, are the Libyans themselves to blame?
      3. Kaiten
        Kaiten 5 January 2016 12: 16 New
        -2
        Quote: arpad
        rout of the embassy (in Iran)

        Persians do not understand what dip is. immunity. In the century before last, the Russian embassy (Griboedov) was defeated, in 1979 the year was American, now Saudi.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 5 January 2016 15: 27 New
          0
          Persians do not understand what dip is. immunity. In the century before last, the Russian embassy (Griboedov) was defeated, in 1979 the year was American, now Saudi.
          Well, Griboedov was killed, for which the Persian shah apologized. How much can this particular page of history be remembered?
          In 1979., "The American Embassy was defeated," as all progressive humanity, this action supported.
          In my opinion, let them continue, "they do not understand diplomatic immunity," as with the Saudis. Guys, what do you say.
          I’m sorry for ours. All the same, it was necessary to set fire to something after the Turks burned the SU.
          1. His
            His 5 January 2016 23: 43 New
            +2
            For the embassy, ​​they gave us the largest diamond. It is still stored.
      4. Otshelnik
        Otshelnik 5 January 2016 13: 10 New
        +2
        Well, at least one "comrade" openly defended his (Wahhabis). Personally, it causes me more respect than hypocrisy like that we did not create Wahhabis, etc. etc.
  • s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 5 January 2016 07: 54 New
    +9
    So far there’s no one to fight, no one to fight, and no reason.
    The keyword is bye. How long will it last? But the pusher will show the flour. The main thing is that they would not drag us there. And it depends only on Us, the policy of Russia in this matter.
  • lao_tsy
    lao_tsy 5 January 2016 07: 54 New
    +9
    And it seems to me that some forces are doing everything to unleash a large-scale war in the region. Question: "Who and when?"
    And against the background of the beginning of oil supplies from the USA, everything falls into place!
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 5 January 2016 07: 55 New
    +2
    Thank God that at least this time Russia has nothing to do with it. This can not but rejoice. Although I do not exclude the fact that the breakdown of relations between our new ally Iran and its eternal rival Saudi Arabia will also become the basis for the introduction of any sanctions against Russia.


    In vain you, my friend, have made this assumption. Across the ocean, "very wise" heads will not fail to take advantage of your hint ... winked

    A very hot climate contributes to the constant "smoldering of coal" in the region. It is enough to splash something fuel and ...
    1. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 5 January 2016 08: 44 New
      +4
      Overseas and without clues will find reasons to apply sanctions against Russia. In this they are all-trades there.
  • WE ARE MAKING
    WE ARE MAKING 5 January 2016 07: 58 New
    +2
    It is not a thankful job to be the head of state in the Middle East.
  • meriem1
    meriem1 5 January 2016 08: 22 New
    +5
    I was waiting, I confess, a terrible shout from across the ocean. In defense of the executed. But I admit, I waited in that sense to see how they spit on this shout. Not wait. What was trampled from Washington, the calls of Riyadh and Tehran for diplomatic dialogue, the "encouragement of diplomatic communication" and the calls "to take positive steps to calm tensions" are, excuse me, babble, nothing more.


    The Saudis said they don’t care what America thinks. In the direction of the UN just spat deliciously !. Isn’t it time for the whole world to remember WHAT is happening among the Saudis ??? Isn’t it time to introduce sanctions and scourge over their military facilities ??? But everything will be as usual, which is not surprising.
    1. Leprekon
      Leprekon 5 January 2016 08: 40 New
      +2
      They spat, because they are allowed to do this from Western patrons. Yes, and they were preparing for a confrontation - the Iron Dome system was not bought to protect against Yemen!
  • Leprekon
    Leprekon 5 January 2016 08: 36 New
    +6
    West "dorulill", to the handle. It's time to remember the words of GDP at the UN Assemblies: - "Do you even understand what you have done!".
  • Riv
    Riv 5 January 2016 08: 38 New
    +8
    The author somehow discusses childishly. "Oil has gone up." And she (SUDDENLY!) Did not go up after she began to destroy the oil infrastructure of ISIS? Everything else is just the background for the enema that our pilots put in to the terrorists. There is no cheap oil - they buy expensive oil, that’s all. The casket opens simply and there is no need to look for any complicated explanations.

    Similarly, Iran’s conflict with the SA is a petty fuss that goes on the edge of the stage while epic stars are being handed out in the background.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 5 January 2016 09: 51 New
      +4
      The entire oil industry of Syria + Northern Iraq = a drop, a fraction of a percent of daily production. However, this is more than enough for someone holding a stream to become a billionaire in a couple of months.

      However, on a global scale, this is a drop.

      Oil goes back and forth on expectations, news and more.

      Yesterday there were 2 key news affecting oil:
      1) Shiite Sunni Crisis.
      2) An attack on the Libyan port, with which they trade and pour tankers, the fall of Bin Javat and the oil reservoirs supplying the port.
      1. Riv
        Riv 5 January 2016 13: 57 New
        0
        That you think so, a drop. But in fact, estimates of how much ISIS produces oil vary by a couple of orders of magnitude.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 5 January 2016 16: 06 New
          +1
          Even if we summarize the peak pre-war production in northern Iraq and the occupied territories of Syria (and all of them) - there will be less than 1% of daily production in the world.
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 5 January 2016 15: 57 New
      +1
      We’ll see, but it seems to me, the SA, will stir up a conflict. They, like Turkey, the USA, use in the dark. For America, the main thing is to blaze.
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 5 January 2016 08: 52 New
    +1
    In 2016, the old, but still strong player, enters the arena of the Middle East theater, or rather, returns. And it makes sense to try to "knock out" the player before he begins to play at full strength.


    This phrase of the author was interested, as it is subjectively thought that this is the main reason for the Saudi provocation with execution. The imam has been sitting since 2012, and executed precisely in 2016. The provocation is certainly extremely rude, but in the current situation in the Middle East it could have played its negative role. But for some reason I think that Roman is right, and there will be no open armed conflict between the Saudis and Iran. Iran is extremely interested in getting out of sanctions and will not go to an open confrontation before the treaty enters into force. And then? Then it’s “more interesting”.
    Something like a subjective opinion, colleagues. hi
  • clinch63
    clinch63 5 January 2016 08: 54 New
    +4
    Quote: Leprechaun
    "Do you even understand what you have done!"

    Everyone understands everything, and this must be understood. smile
    It is possible that the United States is simply leaving the region (Obama has already talked about reorienting politics towards Asia), but they are trying to “slam the door” louder. So that everyone remembers and fears for a long time. And Russia will again be forced to somehow reconcile Iran, with which there is already good cooperation, with the SA, with which relations have also recently been established. The task is difficult because the executed person cannot be resurrected. But when this task is solved, the greater will be the victory of Russia and the greater defeat of the organizers of all this chaos.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 5 January 2016 08: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: Sid.74
    .A through the Strait of Hormuz passes 20% of all oil trade and 35% of all tanker traffic.

    But the Strait of Hormuz is controlled precisely by Iran, the SA does not have access to it, it can simply send ships. Iran has a fairly strong fleet, but there are coastal complexes. A very large “bucha” in the Persian Gulf will cause an increase in the cost of oil, but the Saudis have the strategic partner is the United States. And what’s the end, a big question. Iran just crawled out of sanctions, not enough money, but the counterpart has funds if, if they give more! hi
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 5 January 2016 09: 56 New
      +5
      Iran’s fleet is rather weak, if we are talking about large ships, then they are not tenants in the modern war, even under the umbrella of air defense and air force.

      Trumps of Iran:
      submarines.
      the mass of small boats carrying powerful RCC S-802A or less powerful 703 at 25km range.
      2-3 RCC S-802A or Iranian copies camouflaged under civilian trucks.

      C-802 is Exozet, a pretty good RCC, in the first tanker war, Iran did not have such tools.
    2. akinak-f
      akinak-f 5 January 2016 11: 24 New
      +5
      Quote: fa2998
      Quote: Sid.74
      .A through the Strait of Hormuz passes 20% of all oil trade and 35% of all tanker traffic.

      But the Strait of Hormuz is controlled precisely by Iran, the SA does not have access to it, it can simply send ships. Iran has a fairly strong fleet, but there are coastal complexes. A very large “bucha” in the Persian Gulf will cause an increase in the cost of oil, but the Saudis have the strategic partner is the United States. And what’s the end, a big question. Iran just crawled out of sanctions, not enough money, but the counterpart has funds if, if they give more! hi

      I want to remind you that the Strait of Hormuz from the south controls Oman. The command staff of the Omani army are British contract officers. And Oman borders on the SA and the UAE. So the nipple in the Strait of Hormuz is m. and for the Persians impassable.
      I also recall Russia's proposal to Azerbaijan to sell oil (from the AzR) to it (the Russian Federation). Yes, a little cheaper, and the obligations of the Azerbaijan Republic to foreigners are fulfilled by the Russian Federation. Then we still butted for the Baku-Ceyhan pipeline. Azerbaijanis then refused. But the idea remained. Like, cheap Iranian oil goes to Russia. Oil refinery, in exchange for You-Know-What. And the Russian Federation is increasing supplies for the cordon.
      Der ... oh, of course. But still ... Charming!
  • Fei_Wong
    Fei_Wong 5 January 2016 09: 35 New
    +8
    Quote: Lepila
    For example, the Saudis may try to destroy the Iranian nuclear program. Technology at the Saudi Air Force is excellent

    This excellent technique has one fatal flaw - Arabs instead of pilots. Recent history has repeatedly confirmed this.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 January 2016 09: 45 New
    +5
    IMHO, this confrontation resembles that forgotten in which Griboedov died. Well, then Persia did not like the "status quo" that happened with Russia. They defeated the embassy in Tehran. Long bought off later, and expensive. They won nothing.
    Why did we decide that only CA is currently not profitable to lower oil prices? Is it profitable for Iran? Hunger under sanctions, but here ... Really, there between Kuwait and Iran between Iran and the SA. Well, they may not even notice what squeaked under the tracks. SA from a military point of view, Iran is not a rival. The great war between the Arabs and the Persians is doubtful. It seems that Iran does not have nuclear weapons; therefore, it cannot win a victory. Blocking the Strait of Hormuz - maybe occupying Kuwait and "pour salt on the tail" of the SA - it will be able to, victory - it will not. The Persians of the Arabs will not win. It is with this confrontation.
  • valokordin
    valokordin 5 January 2016 10: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    The great war between the Arabs and the Persians is doubtful. It seems that Iran does not have nuclear weapons; therefore, it cannot win a victory. Blocking the Strait of Hormuz - maybe occupying Kuwait and "pour salt on the tail" of the SA - it will be able to, victory - it will not. The Persians of the Arabs will not win. It is with this confrontation.

    Against this background, Russia's decision on mediation looks dubious. There is an old Russian proverb: "Two do not fight the third.
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 5 January 2016 10: 18 New
    12
    Israeli colleagues are such hares with ears! :) "Our president with wounded Syrian broads ?! Lies, lies, we need a photo! What, there is a photo ...? Lies, photo montage, we need a link! What, there is a link ..? Nuuuu .. .. But that’s not our president at all, it’s just like that! And it’s not the sons at all! And anyway, we have to go, they are waiting for us in other forums! " Reminds me of my boss who taught me - most importantly, never admit anything! The wife caught her legs with her mistress - say, not my legs!
    1. Dan4eG
      Dan4eG 5 January 2016 11: 22 New
      -6
      Mishanya do not hysteria! How are you going to prove that it’s exactly the broads !?
      1. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 5 January 2016 13: 54 New
        +6
        Quote: Dan4eG
        Mishanya do not hysteria! How are you going to prove that it’s exactly the broads !?

        I’m laughing at everyone ... Amusing!
        Well, in the photo, a person similar to Netanyahu shakes hands with a bearded face, similar to a babah. Is it logical?
        Thus, or these faces are similar, or really netanyah and broads! It is proved!
        Further, what is the difference to whom, netanyah and women? Most violet!
        PS. Israeli citizens, how do you prove that the bearded gangster in the photo is a peaceful Syrian jihadist?
        1. Dan4eG
          Dan4eG 5 January 2016 15: 22 New
          -2
          here you are a little confused! you accuse us of helping the broads, you have to prove it! otherwise you have to ask how do you prove that you are not selling weapons to the broads?
          1. AlNikolaich
            AlNikolaich 5 January 2016 17: 04 New
            0
            I don't blame anyone! Give my words of accusation
            1. Dan4eG
              Dan4eG 5 January 2016 19: 32 New
              0
              do not blame!
              just impudently hinting!
        2. Hello
          Hello 5 January 2016 16: 32 New
          -1
          Quote: AlNikolaich
          Israeli citizens, how do you prove that the bearded gangster in the photo is a peaceful Syrian jihadist?

          You are likened to the media, they also forgot about the presumption of innocence and introduced the presumption of guilt. Let them launder who they poke, and this is the fifth case. no
          1. AlNikolaich
            AlNikolaich 5 January 2016 17: 09 New
            +2
            Her, do not leave the essence of the question! And where is the media? You answer me directly, in the photo with Benjamin a bandit from daish, or a peaceful jihadist? One or the other? Answer directly, look into the eyes! laughing
            1. Dan4eG
              Dan4eG 5 January 2016 19: 31 New
              -3
              you're funny! when you look at a photo of zakharchenko, do you see an arrogant terrorist or peaceful killer? you can not answer, put a minus and I myself will understand everything!
              Bibi with a civilian (just peaceful, not a jihadist and terrorist) of Syria, which was brought by UN observers!
              1. AlNikolaich
                AlNikolaich 6 January 2016 01: 21 New
                +1
                Minus, by the way, I didn’t slap it ... And when I see Zakharchenko’s photo and look in the mirror, I don’t see much difference ... except that he’s a colonel and I (marshal laughing ) starley! You are hinting, and it’s impudent, that Zakharchenko (and I, since I look like in the mirror) are wet makers ...
                Now you say that the Bibi is not to blame, and the UN people pinned the babah, and said that he was a civilian ... Fairly, fairly ...
                So we write in the protocol ... ;-)
                1. Dan4eG
                  Dan4eG 6 January 2016 09: 07 New
                  -1
                  The NKVD style of conversation is so much fun! You never proved that he was a Bakhanovets, although he admitted that you are a louse, we will write it in the minutes!)))
                  1. AlNikolaich
                    AlNikolaich 6 January 2016 15: 29 New
                    +1
                    Well, if he looks like a woman, corresponds to a woman by age and beard, then he is a woman! Further, protecting the interests of their state and homeland, with weapons in their hands, in the ranks of the armed formations of their country is not a crime, even if it involves the victims of the opposing side! This is with regards to mokrodela Zakharchenko, and me personally!
                    In addition, I am a very good physiognomist and psychologist. I say that it’s a woman, that means a woman! Give it to Mossad, there it will be taken to clean water ...
                    1. Dan4eG
                      Dan4eG 6 January 2016 22: 03 New
                      0
                      Well, if he looks like a woman, corresponds to a woman by age and beard, then he is a woman!

                      well, if you look like a mushrosh .... you know what you do! You won’t get such facts to the matter, otherwise you can blame anyone for anything that the NKVD had sinned!
                      Further, protecting the interests of their state and homeland, with arms in their hands, in the ranks of the armed formations of their country is not a crime, even if it involves the victims of the opposite side!

                      in Syria there are so many of them fighting for their country, you are sick of counting, but they are terror.
                      and Chechens? also in the composition of the people's militia were, if not for their terrorist activities, they would probably remain separatists like the DNI!
                      In addition, I am a very good physiognomist and psychologist. I say that it’s a woman, that means a woman!

                      wink not you wang!
  • LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 5 January 2016 10: 19 New
    +5
    Yes, leave Iran alone. Let them live as they want, according to their laws and regulations. Who is their decree? Washington with Riyadh? Yes, they leaned on them. “don’t go into a strange monastery with your charter” In your country, put things in order (are there any problems?) No, I’m not saying that Iran is soft and fluffy, but let people live as they used to, do not impose your worldview.
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 6 January 2016 10: 15 New
      0
      well done! very big +! good
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 January 2016 10: 38 New
    +1
    Although I do not exclude the possibility that the severance of relations between our new ally Iran and its eternal rival Saudi Arabia will also become the basis for the introduction of any sanctions against Russia.


    This is exactly 100% !!!
  • akinak-f
    akinak-f 5 January 2016 10: 48 New
    13
    It's all funny. It should be noted a couple - three nuances.
    1. Deficit budget SA in the size of the hole from the Titanic. How to make up for? - hey, CA's ONLY budget source of income is oil. It is necessary to raise the price for it. How? - arrange another strain in the Persian Gulf. How did you guys get it? - in a week we will see.
    2. Persia lifts sanctions. Slowly, gradually, but - take off. The release of Iranian oil on an ALREADY DECREASING oil market will lead to further lower prices. Do they need it? - No, you have to raise the price. How? - arrange another strain in the Persian Gulf. How did you guys get it? - in a week we will see.
    It seems that the Saudis and Persians play as one team. Not?
    Farther. 3. The Syrian node is actively chopping Russia. It’s disgusting for the Saudis to get under Caliber, no? A fracture was outlined, as it were. But society in the Arabian Peninsula wishes feats. Jihad is jelat. In all of these CAs, Bahrain, Qatar and the UAE, the propaganda horse dispersed the riders of intolerance and militancy. And what to do if MiGi and Su-shki began to write a pretzel over the riders? Where to direct the ardor and rage of jihadist dzhigits? ----- Wow! Another enemy is needed! Without aircraft, cruise missiles, tanks - in short, habitually weaker. Provocation is needed! Yes! And what could be more sweet for a Saudi army than an unorganized Shiite speech in the sense of tearing to pieces? In addition to everything else, the dagger’s staggering chair will legally be crushed by the gendarmerie and special forces bayonets.
    Ergo. a) The Saudis will merge the activity of the Wahhabis into the suppression of the Shiite uprising, strengthen their staggering power and reduce the budget hole.
    b) The Persians are given the opportunity to make short-term profit from the sale of oil and (before drowning uprisings in the blood) to strain the monarchies of the PerZaliv, and for a long time to create a smoldering ulcer to the Saudis north of Yemen and in eastern Arabia.
    - Perhaps the Saudi retreat from Yemen.
    - Iraq's participation in these matters is unlikely: ISIS.
    in Russia:
    - It has a time lag for the establishment of interests in Syria, while the Amersa itch; not for long, but it has.
    - may try to play along with Iraq (+ weapons) and Iran (+ S-300). It costs a lot.
    - Slightly reduce the budget deficit (oil + weapons).
    d) CGP (the United States of Pin..stan) traditionally sell everything, buy it, and sell it again, but it’s already more expensive. AND - A LITTLE will do a gesheft (oil + weapons). And - according to their abominable habit, they get into ... mo, but they will offer to clean up after themselves others. Well, or fly helicopters from the roofs of the besieged embassies.
    d) Dervropa something sucks in the corner, similar to chapa-chups. Emigrants will provide.
    There’s a lot more to be done, but in the end ...
    ... and) Israel. I won’t tell you for the whole of Odessa, but Haifa is also great. The fact that the Saudis, Syria, Iran, Turkey and all-all-all get bogged down among the fellow soldiers is so funny! They offend each other a little, and yet they are not up to the Chosen. And tell mine, where will they get the strength and money from, to still mess the Chosen ??? And shaw, and what poac wants, Schaub, this Lafa ended? And sho? Oh shah! MOSSAD session began (not to be confused with massage;)))
    Well, something like that, do not apologize for cynicism :)
    1. T-73
      T-73 5 January 2016 11: 32 New
      0
      Quote: akinak-f
      It seems that the Saudis and Persians play as one team

      Faith never allows. Next contradict yourself
      1. akinak-f
        akinak-f 5 January 2016 12: 43 New
        0
        I’m not saying that they play in a team. :)) I'm talking about the impression. And apparently, the next straining in the Gulf is beneficial to both of them. The logic is simple: Harness in the Gulf -> anxiety among oil traders -> increase in purchases for oil reserves -> increase in oil prices.
        It is FAVORABLE to both. And it is beneficial to Russia. And it is beneficial to the CGP (ind .. to the country). So straining there will grow to 70 - 80 $ / barrel. I think so. :)
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 5 January 2016 16: 09 New
          +2
          Here, look, why are the Persians for a diploma? mission attacked? WHAT, Iranian authorities could not prevent? After all, there are other response options. To protest, something else. However, they chose the most serious option. Maybe we don’t know what? Could Iran differently?
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 5 January 2016 16: 28 New
            +3
            Quote: avva2012
            WHAT, Iranian authorities could not prevent? After all, there are other response options. To protest, something else. However, they chose the most serious option. Maybe we don’t know what? Could Iran differently?

            You are still just young or just forgot the events in Moscow when ours protested against the US bombing of Serbia. The Persians simply "went" beyond their mentality a little different.
            Russia, 1999. Attack on the US Embassy
            Armed attack on US embassy in Moscow in spring 1999 by group extremists patriots during a period of growing anti-American sentiment caused by the bombing of Serbia by NATO aircraft. The attackers made an unsuccessful attempt to shell the embassy with grenade launchers, then they fired several machine guns and disappeared into the car.

            What happened in Moscow at the US embassy at that time:
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 5 January 2016 16: 37 New
              0
              Your discount, the Internet issued as follows: Server not found.
              I don’t know how young you are, but you believe that such actions are done spontaneously? That is, the authorities do not know anything ?! Groups of people themselves gathered, agreed themselves, coordinated themselves? We got grenade launchers, it’s no problem, on every corner. You, apparently not youth, you, progressive naivety.
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 5 January 2016 17: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: avva2012
                Your discount, the Internet issued as follows: Server not found.

                I don’t know what link you’re talking about. I gave two videos and they are displayed to me.
                Quote: avva2012
                I don’t know how old you are, but you believe that such actions are done spontaneously? That is, the authorities do not know anything ?! The groups of people themselves gathered, agreed themselves, coordinated themselves?

                Naturally, someone goes spontaneously and someone in the ranks of movements. For example, the US embassy then organizedly gathered under the flags of the Liberal Democratic Party and the Communist Party phoned and purposefully organized, but many went according to their hearts.
                Quote: avva2012
                We got grenade launchers, it’s no problem, on every corner.

                It’s immediately obvious that you weren’t living at that time or you were extremely small.
                Then it was possible, if you had an acquaintance, and most importantly money, to buy almost any weapon, except perhaps tanks and aircraft in working condition.
                Quote: avva2012
                You, apparently not youth, you have progressive naivety.

                Come on, don’t be offended, I understand that you are still just young and don’t know about it, therefore I am writing about the fact that we had it.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 5 January 2016 18: 14 New
                  0
                  LDPR and the Communist Party, we have the same opposition. I, so young that I remember at that time the prices of AK, and TT, on the black market. "They walked at the behest of the heart," but you're a provocateur, apparently. Surrounding for the mentally retarded think? In my account, you can be sure. What, you say, roughly know. Don't worry, sooner or later, anyway. And you will be rewarded.
                  1. padded jacket
                    padded jacket 5 January 2016 18: 35 New
                    +1
                    Quote: avva2012
                    LDPR and the Communist Party, we have the same opposition

                    Of course, you don’t remember, but at that time Yeltsin was still the president, and the opposition, albeit “tucked up” to him, was yes, and other organizations were there, for example, the Union of Officers, many were there.
                    Quote: avva2012
                    I, so young that I remember at that time the prices of AK, and TT, on the black market

                    Well, and you ask where the grenade launcher smile
                    Quote: avva2012
                    "They were at the behest of the heart," but you are a provocateur, apparently.

                    Naturally, in 1999, when the US attacked Serbia, many people in Moscow and other cities went to protest at the US embassy themselves without any coercion.
                    Quote: avva2012
                    Surrounding for the mentally retarded think?

                    No need to juggle, I just remind how it was with us.
                    Quote: avva2012
                    In my account, you can be sure.

                    That is, you yourself confirm that you have not everything in order with development and memory? belay
                    Quote: avva2012
                    Don’t worry, sooner or later, one way or another. And you will be rewarded.

                    You already have no doubt - paid lol
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 5 January 2016 18: 47 New
                      +1
                      You will be rewarded ...
                      It’s hard to say, but are you sure you won’t get paid? You. Provocateurs on the site are different, you have reached the heights. Do you think anti-Semitism will take a ride? I think for the time being. Sooner or later, they will understand. So wait.
                      1. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 5 January 2016 18: 58 New
                        +2
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Provocateurs on the site are different, you have reached the heights. Do you think it’s a ride on anti-Semitism?

                        Is it me provocateur? belay
                        The situation here is simply that you can’t understand a lot because of your young age, and maybe for a slightly different reason, in particular, that people themselves voluntarily went out to protest against the injustices of the USA, when the Americans brutally bombed Serbia.
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Do you think it’s a ride on anti-Semitism?

                        You are clearly lying anti-Semitism. I’m just telling the truth about the Israeli policy aimed at the occupation of foreign lands and the genocide of neighboring countries and peoples.
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Sooner or later, they will understand.

                        Why bother me then? laughing
                      2. avva2012
                        avva2012 5 January 2016 19: 15 New
                        0
                        They are trying to split Russia, in several directions, one of them, nationalism. Genocide is Europe, and Germany, in the form of the Third Reich, is an opofiosis. You just repeat what Rosenberg said. Nothing new. That's it for today. The first hour of the night.
                      3. Victor Demchenko
                        Victor Demchenko 6 January 2016 10: 24 New
                        +1
                        firstly: not
                        Quote: avva2012
                        opophiosis

                        namely apophiosis! and secondly: dear, learn the materiel, please ...
                        they got these little dropouts broadcasting with aplomb on all topics in the last resort. no
              2. Weyland
                Weyland 5 January 2016 19: 38 New
                +3
                Quote: avva2012
                you are a provocateur, apparently. Surrounding for the mentally retarded think?


                Vatnik - Nashi demagogue-dropout. At Seliger, he learned the "Rules of the demagogue", but badly - he only remembered that he needed to get personal and insult his opponent, but he had poor imagination, he uses only a few standard lotions, with slight variations:
                1) state that the opponent is very young;
                2) to doubt his mental health;
                3) claim that his opponent is a Jew

                A complete primitive, to object in essence, he lacks either intelligence or knowledge. Ignore him!
      2. T-73
        T-73 6 January 2016 10: 55 New
        0
        Quote: avva2012
        Could Iran differently?

        He could, but did not. This is serious.
        Quote: akinak-f
        And apparently, the next straining in the Gulf is beneficial to both of them.

        Iran is now on our side, and the Shiite state has no way out, in fact, only the Russian Federation is now happy for peace in the Middle East. We do not need any extremists there. You can’t rock the situation there. But to push the Saudis, and to help the Hussites in Yemen ... Iran is probably coming to that. They were somewhat delayed, but as soon as the boat crossed over to the Hussite side, then Allah himself ordered.
  • serg2108
    serg2108 5 January 2016 11: 48 New
    0
    Well, according to the previously planned scenario, the respected Israeli special services need to explode 5-7 tankers around the bay! laughing
  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 5 January 2016 11: 49 New
    +2
    You are right in everything, just can’t believe in such prudence of players.
    The Persians, as usual, smash the embassy. This is their national.
    Do you think 90-year-old Saudi sheikhs are able to soberly evaluate events? They have one foot in the coffin. Here emotions and overpopulation, besides Iran, I would not call a weak country.
  • srha
    srha 5 January 2016 11: 12 New
    +4
    And, it seems to me that society somehow misses itself mass execution fact. What is a sign of a fascist state. By the way, which states are now officially executing mass executions? daish and saudis? It turns out that according to the methods they are on the same side.
    1. arpad
      arpad 5 January 2016 12: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: srha
      And, it seems to me that society somehow misses itself mass execution fact. What is a sign of a fascist state. By the way, which states are now officially executing mass executions? daish and saudis? It turns out that according to the methods they are on the same side.

      China, of course, and in sizes exceeding the rest of the world put together - by the way, it is officially allowed to seize the bodies of executed for transplantation there
      1. srha
        srha 5 January 2016 16: 47 New
        +2
        Does China carry out mass executions? Can you confirm your words? Confirm, only with facts, not OBS like Amnesty International, and even they did not think of such a thing.

        After all, you have, to put it mildly, badly with the Russian language, since you confuse the mass execution with the execution of sentences.

        Do you know what the difference is? Firstly, at one time, secondly publicly (and the official announcement of 47 executed in the media is the current publicity), thirdly, the use of such executions in propaganda in order to intimidate the surviving population. Here ... the Nazis, daish and the Saudis fall! And China, not - doesn’t sin (it’s Kaiten), maybe it executes, but it doesn’t suit this fascist show!
      2. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 6 January 2016 10: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: arpad
        China, of course, and in sizes exceeding the rest of the world put together - by the way, it is officially allowed to seize the bodies of executed for transplantation there

        So what? I personally AGAINST a moratorium on the death penalty! it's time for us to cancel this relic of perestroika! and confiscation of property would not hurt ... repeat
    2. Kaiten
      Kaiten 5 January 2016 13: 13 New
      -3
      Quote: srha
      By the way, which states are now officially carrying out mass executions

      In addition to Saudi Arabia, this is committed by Iran, China, and Hamastan (Gaza).
      1. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 5 January 2016 14: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Kaiten
        Quote: srha
        By the way, which states are now officially carrying out mass executions

        In addition to Saudi Arabia, this is committed by Iran, China, and Hamastan (Gaza).

        Well yes. Only in China and Iran will be executed by court verdict!
        But the presence of a normal investigation and legal proceedings among the Saudis and Hamastans, as it is not believed ...
        1. Dan4eG
          Dan4eG 5 January 2016 15: 26 New
          -3
          We strongly believe in judicial impartiality in Iran
          https://russian.rt.com/article/56254
  • T-73
    T-73 5 January 2016 11: 30 New
    +2
    The Saudis dig themselves, I’m even afraid to say that they can dig. And it will not be the Black Sea.
    Quote: srha
    daish and saudi

    one berry field, right
  • Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 5 January 2016 11: 35 New
    +2
    Oil does not want to grow. The author of the article correctly summed up - there’s nothing else to fight. The Saudis have already severed diplomatic relations with Iran and nothing, reconciled. There is no strength to fight both. Oil traders understand this.

    What is bad - in Syria the war will now end only with the complete victory of one of the parties. There will definitely not be a political decision
    1. T-73
      T-73 5 January 2016 11: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Stauffenberg
      What is bad - in Syria the war will now end only with the complete victory of one of the parties

      What's so bad The Russians do not lose the war. If you have harnessed, you have to finish the job.
  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 5 January 2016 11: 39 New
    +2
    Article plus.
    I have a suggestion for the site administration.
    On some sites, I saw not only a forum of a dozen articles, but also a large editorial article, as it were, where people go constantly, where like-minded people can talk on different issues.
    Here, alas, life often freezes after two, especially on holidays.
    If there was such a large platform where a person could go at any time and chat with those who are there at the moment, discuss interesting events. In my opinion this is interesting.
    1. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 5 January 2016 14: 10 New
      +1
      Morgan, for this there is a VO forum, and there is a "talker" in it. Welcome! Skips the login and password of the VO site! Many there communicate from those present, and there are other characters who are not represented here!
    2. T-73
      T-73 6 January 2016 14: 02 New
      0
      There are cross-references, there is where to go. The authors of VO are also printed on other sites. Same Eye, for example. The request not to consider admins as advertising, you are also written there, excuse me.
  • Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 5 January 2016 11: 44 New
    +4
    But I think that it’s a matter of armed turmoil. Breaking relations, interrupting flights. There is oil, and access to Russia. The Americans slapped Crimea, respectively, the Black Sea, this made it possible to influence Iran and the entire region. They did not grow together in Syria, the gas pipeline to Europe did not work.
    Now they began to act through the SA and their allies. The stupid, gross destruction of Iran or its weakening will lead to the emergence of a pro-American government, and then the energy of the SA and pro-American Iran, ousting Russia from Europe, and jeopardize the economic growth of China and India. Here is such a swing with them, as I think, After all, it cannot be assumed that the SA did not know that relations would aggravate the execution.
    It will certainly be very good if Russia will not actively participate in the mess, but will have to participate. Rather, it is already participating.
    To summarize: the United States, something is running out, they cannot slowly spread democracy, they have to do it quickly. What is wrong with the dollar, if in a hurry?
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 5 January 2016 12: 23 New
      +6
      The mess in that region has been ripening for a long time. There is a clear calculated provocation of the Saudis. They perfectly represented the reaction of Iran to the execution of a Shiite priest, and then according to the scheme. Feels the "skillful hand" of the Americans! They are able to solve their problems with the wrong hands. With any development of the conflict, the states are in the black!
      The Saudis, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar have already recalled their ambassadors. Who is next?
      1. His
        His 5 January 2016 23: 50 New
        +1
        It was simply not necessary to fill up the region with weapons.
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 5 January 2016 11: 56 New
    0
    Quote: Max_Bauder
    Quote: Sid.74
    and in Yemen ... moreover, the SA makes good missiles at SCAD, on its territory,


    I heard a rumor that the Israeli "iron dome" began to help the Saudis.

    LCD is not designed for operation against SCAD missiles
  • flSergius
    flSergius 5 January 2016 12: 27 New
    +5
    At the expense of "conflict will not be" with the author does not agree. Because this is not a separate conflict, but part of the chain. At first, the cowboys did everything for Putin to send troops to Hryukain and give rise to a major war on the continent. Putin did not even bother at the cost of his own image and the lives of the Russian Donbass. Then abundantly watered and fertilized Daesh to set fire to the entire Middle East region. And then it did not work through the efforts of the same Putin. Now pit Shiites with Sunnis. Do not hesitate, the Americans will sacrifice the Saudis and colonize the wreckage of their country, while grunting full.
  • partizan86
    partizan86 5 January 2016 13: 30 New
    +4
    If a war had happened between them, it would have been a present for almost the whole world, including Iran itself, and the irrevocable end of the harmful monarchies of the bay.
    There was information that the Saudis have a pair of tactical charges and their carriers, once bought from China. If so, then they will not only not help them, but will bring even greater troubles to the head, in the form of three superpowers and possibly even Israel. Although the latter is likely to sit on the sidelines and quietly rejoice.
    The world would be cleaner.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 5 January 2016 15: 53 New
      +5
      Saudi Arabia, with a clear superiority of people in technology and with the complete dominance of aviation and the navy, still cannot even cope with the Hussites, and Iran is "face to face" in spite of its "decrepit" Air Force as a nut.
      Yemen: Saudi tank against Hussite anti-tank systems.
      1. The black
        The black 5 January 2016 18: 33 New
        +6
        Right. Saudis who is this ??? these are pirates and Bedouins who were engaged in robbery in the desert ... the British picked them up heated washed learned at their universities and cut them the territory of their former colonies))))) they won their kingdom ???? protected from the encroachments of neighbors and enemies ???? so to speak, they defended their land ??? Yes, nevermind))) all their history they sat behind the backs of the British and Amers until they solved problems for them)))) that’s what Saudis are)))
  • podgornovea
    podgornovea 5 January 2016 15: 37 New
    +3
    Iran's fleet? Is he really needed for a war in the Gulf? Maximum width 320km. Strait of Hormuz in the narrowest place 54km. It seems like aviation and in the strait and artillery can show themselves well.
    In addition, do not forget about the mine war. Modern mines are still a pain in the neck for any country, relatively cheap and very angry!
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 5 January 2016 16: 44 New
    +1
    How, however, our Israeli friends were overexcited, already starting to sparkle.
    1. flSergius
      flSergius 5 January 2016 19: 16 New
      +2
      Yeah, as much as the pace stood on end!
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 6 January 2016 10: 32 New
        0
        about pace - it's cool! I didn’t think of it. Respect! good
  • dmitrymb
    dmitrymb 5 January 2016 18: 16 New
    0
    What process ??? Derbanit Saudis and all happiness !!!
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 5 January 2016 18: 23 New
    +2
    The conclusion suggests itself that someone provokes the Middle Eastern countries, knowing their sleeping conflicts. As if managing them skillfully. Playing on their greed, sense of vengeance and colonial inclinations. And they are conducted like children who saw chocolates! Like everywhere adults are in control of these countries, and wisdom is penniless! If only to China they drove to courses how to behave.
  • potalevl
    potalevl 5 January 2016 21: 37 New
    +2
    Russia in the Syrian conflict, in alliance with Iran, was able to bring to the problem of the destruction of ISIS the Saudis, who, with the support of the USA, are not volitional, helped strengthen the bandits in this region. The Saudis are allies of the United States, so the mattresses decided to check Russia for "lice." Who will Russia be in the conflict between Iran and the Saudis. I think we need to adhere to allied obligations with Syria, Iran and Iraq, and mattress mongers will eventually understand that for the US they are nothing more than a bargaining chip in the geopolitical game of a private joint-stock company called the US Federal Reserve. Something like this. Happy New Year and Merry Christmas!
  • Dynamic systems
    Dynamic systems 6 January 2016 05: 05 New
    +1
    The question is that there are no "human rights cries" from Fashington and Geyropa, but there is a dense medieval obscurantism in Saudi Arabia ...
    Saudis, and such a "" as Qatar, sponsor terrorists in the open ... They help to plant drugs in Afghanistan, they sponsor and continue the "refugees" to Geyropa.
    At this time, obscurantists doyazhaetsya ...
    In addition to the fleet, the strait and approaches to the Saudi ports, the Iranians can mine for half an hour using our helicopters and, in the course, turn all the Saudi aviation into a barbecue.
    Bedouins are jumping ...
  • Gomel
    Gomel 6 January 2016 11: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    The bottom line is that with all the tension in the situation at first glance, it is definitely not worth making conclusions that Iran’s war with Saudi Arabia will be tomorrow. So far there’s no one to fight, no one to fight, and no reason.

    There is an opinion that there is already something to fight for. Since the 1980's, when the oil reserves in the SA were first estimated, this figure (estimate) has not been verified or specified by anyone ...
    It has allready passed 35 years. (in words :) Thirty five years constantly annually increasing production. Production, which confidently eats up 2,9-3,2 billion barrels a year, while Saudi reserves mysteriously froze at around 260 billion barrels. Arabs learned to grow oil directly underground? I am happy with this simple Bedouin trick, but perhaps we should understand how Stirlitz deceived the Gestapo for the second week, saying that "there is nobody at home."
    Easily developed reserves of SA melted by the 2012 year and this is a fact confirmed by the sharp increase in funding for exploration for oil. As well as the adopted plans for new R&D in the field of oil production, the earlier the Saudis were even interested. Messages about it flickered.
    Considering that in the Russian Federation, oil and gas companies are slowly but surely moving to the northeast and south to more difficult to recover oil fields, a thirty-five-year-old “standing on Gavar” (Gavara — the largest SA field does not mysteriously decrease, or even add reserves.
    Speaking of CA, USA and Gavar (aftershock):
    “The scatter in the estimates of the initial oil reserves for this supergiant is simply amazing - from 60 to 120 billion barrels of oil - twice! This is due to the fact that at the initial stage of operation, many parameters of the field were determined“ by eye ”(for example, estimates the porosity of the Gavar rock ranges from 30 to 40%, which gives for such a huge reservoir as Gavar, it’s just insane expansion in terms of oil reserves).
    Starting from 1973 year, as Aramco’s management began to shift more and more from the hands of Americans to Arabs, information about further exploration and drilling of Gavar began to flow in an increasingly thin stream until it stopped completely. The current state of affairs in Gavar is often generally monitored from indirect sources. For example, I met on the Web a serious study that, as the initial information on the number of producing wells in Gavar, did not use Aramco reports, but ... data from American satellite images.
    At the same time, I do not exclude that interested parties in the USA still have access to information on the state of affairs in the oil industry of Saudi Arabia, but these data are not communicated to the general public and are carefully hidden. Matthew Simmonswho wrote the bestselling study Twilight in the Desert and lifted the veil of secrecy over this well-hidden information about the secret cuisine of Arab oil production paid for it with his life. "
  • Gomel
    Gomel 6 January 2016 11: 36 New
    +1
    Data on frauds with proven and recoverable reserves replaced by probable and requiring research are also confirmed by one interesting document. 1979 years - A report by The Future of Saudi Arabian Oil Production sent to the US Senate by the Committee on International Economic Policy. In this report, as of 1979 year, Saudi Arabia's total reserves were estimated at 177 billion barrels in the 2P category (proven and probable - proven and probable) and 245 billion barrels in the 3P category (proven, probable and possible - proven, probable and possible). Taking into account production during the 1980 years, the balance of these reserves, as of 1989 year, is much more similar to 160 billion barrels than to the mythical figure of 260 billion barrels, which for 20 years has invariably flaunted on a Saudi "unchanged bank ticket "paper oil reserves. More such documents (really serious and not biased) never appeared anywhere.
    Z.Y. There is a lot of oil in BV. For example, the Persians, Yemenis on the shelf between Arabia and Socotra, in the rift of the Red Sea, but there are difficult geological conditions, nature and strong shipping ... in short, the best option is to overcome the Persian Gulf, the last resort is Oman and Yemen. Otherwise, a return to goat farming. M.p. some 50-60 years ago, they were just doing it there, and didn’t even know about oil under their feet ....
  • Alekspel
    Alekspel 6 January 2016 14: 24 New
    +3
    Quote: FlyEngine
    Do not consider me a fascist or something else, but I was thinking. If only a couple of countries did not exist in the world, we would have long ago begun to colonize the Moon. Instead, bathe in hrnoy. Look at this medieval state. Why does it even exist? What good does it bring to humanity as a community of our species?

    I was on vacation in the UAE. I did not have a question why this state exists, although there is also a monarchy. It exists to ensure that for more than 40 years the Bedouins jumped from almost the Stone Age to the 21st. Literally, they moved from camels to supermarkets using their fossil resources. I was not in Saudi Arabia, but I think that the indigenous people live well there, otherwise they would have thrown off the Saud a long time ago. But only 100 families from the entire population of the country live well here, in any case even our media interpret it. And for some reason, no one would ever think of the question of why our state exists? 70 years built socialism with communism - did not work. Now for 25 years we have been building capitalism and it turns out to be some kind of curve. But gas and oil were pumped into Geyropu unmeasured. So answer the question: for what, or rather for whom does our state exist? And who are we better off or Saudi subjects?
    1. heal
      heal 6 January 2016 17: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Alekspel
      And who are we better off or Saudi subjects?

      The answer is obvious.
  • duchy
    duchy 6 January 2016 15: 25 New
    0
    Comments are malicious, but very stinky with fresh shit (I mean the news). And the legs can be seen immediately from where they grow, all from one place, because of the Atlantic. The more chaos, the better and calmer the "country" of bucks. Hearth - Iran and the alliance of Sunni countries - a good bonfire, oil production will fall, the price will rise to an acceptable level for shale production, which is sought by the SPS. Plus the arms trade, America in chocolate. I suppose this time too they (the USA) will break off completely.
  • MorenoBCN
    MorenoBCN 6 January 2016 17: 44 New
    0
    We need VKontakte group administrators. The salary is 270 rubles per hour. Shift schedule 4 hours a day. Payments weekly. Responsibilities - delete messages that violate the rules of the group. http://pl-dat.com/forum/vacancy.php
  • heal
    heal 6 January 2016 17: 56 New
    +2
    But oil on the background of all this went up. What is in the hands of all the participants of the Middle Eastern circus.

    Yah??? Is that in the dreams of the author, the government of Russia and Putin?
  • cuzmin.mihail2013
    cuzmin.mihail2013 6 January 2016 18: 13 New
    -1
    The mob considers religion to be true, the sage - a lie, the ruler - a useful invention. / Seneca, Lucius Anney.
    Previous generations inherited from religious wars. Will get to our generation. When people understand that there is no god, and, instead of it, imposes their interests and leads them a bunch of matriarchy, posing as political affairs for religious.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 6 January 2016 20: 07 New
    +1
    Talking about international politics, observing only the tip of the iceberg, it may be interesting, but it is a waste of time. Transfusion from empty to empty.
    Democracy, human rights, the price of oil ... are the levers of the rule of the world behind the scenes, pursuing global goals.
    Different trends exist not only in Islam, but also in other world religions. Even in the Russian Orthodox Church. The principle - divide and rule - works in any social community.
    Thinking people are not so many. Most people prefer to join a group / idea. They are more comfortable being in a herd where there is a shepherd.
  • Alfizik
    Alfizik 6 January 2016 23: 59 New
    0
    The world has changed: before they really fought, but now they are stuffing, fakes, lies, insinuations, diplomatic demarches ... There will be no war between Iran and the SA, a bad "example" is contagious. Music plays - everyone sings along, someone lies - everyone starts to lie. Rules of the game...