Russian Helicopters awarded type certificate on Mi-38

Holding "Helicopters of Russia" (BP) received a type certificate for a medium-capacity transport helicopter CM-38, developed by them. Mile (included in BP), transmits TASS.

Flight tests of the Mi-38 helicopter at the Kazan Helicopter Plant, October 2014

“In 2015, the holding carried out serious work to prepare for certification. At the beginning of the year, we entered the Russian civilian market aviation new light Ansat and K-226T helicopters, and by the end of 2015, type certificates for Ansat in VIP modifications and the new Mi-38 were received. Thus, we are diversifying the range of Russian-made helicopters ”,

said the general director of the holding, Alexander Mikheev, at the ceremony of awarding the certificate.

TASS Help: “Thanks to technical solutions, the Mi-38 surpasses other helicopters of its class in terms of carrying capacity, passenger capacity and many flight characteristics. It is one of the highly automated civilian helicopters in the world. The Mi-38 occupies a niche between the legendary Mi-8 and the world's most heavy-lift helicopter, the Mi-26. ”

Comments

[vovanpain]

Good luck!

[MIKHALYCH1]

Russian Helicopters awarded type certificate on Mi-38

Well type don’t let me down ...! From the heart of the designers ..

[Vladimirets]

"Mi-38 superior to other helicopters of its class in terms of carrying capacity, passenger capacity and many flight performance characteristics. This is one of the highly automated civilian helicopters in the world. Mi-39 occupies a niche between the legendary Mi-8 and the world's most heavy-lift Mi-26. "

So Mi-38 or Mi-39?

[figwam]

The Mi-39 occupies a niche between the legendary Mi-8 and the world's largest cargo helicopter Mi-26. ”

Somehow he does not pull on this niche. That's how the replacement of the MI-8go is, yes.
The maximum take-off MI-8 is 12 tons.
The maximum take-off MI-38 is 15 tons.
The maximum take-off MI-26 is 56 tons.
Previously, this niche was occupied by MI-6 - 42 tons.

[gfs84]

I suspect that there was input on the com.load (correct if I make a mistake) MI-8,6,26,38:
In the cockpit - 3/8/20/5
On the external suspension - 4/12/20/6
It just fits into the niche when 8-as it will not be dragged away, and 6/26-as it is not really needed then (read expensive).
From personal experience in Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug, relocation of GIS stations / elevators, the station (roughly kung) is 8th, and the elevator (there is already + ICE and the main mechanism is the elevator cable with the cable itself) MI-8 you don’t have to pick up any coins, you have to order 6 (((

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: gfs84

From personal experience in Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug

But if you change the RSP? hard however ... two cars with kungs and trailers ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

I recall D. Rogozin, who shot Macedonian in the leg ... let’s throw the bonnets later, otherwise, hurray ... hurray ..

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Look at the payload ... Mi-8 can only take 4 tons on board, and that if there are no additional tanks inside ... Mi-38 6 tons, 50% more ... And as I understand it, it’s even more economical Mi-8 ... Mi-26 - 20 tons, but there the dimensions are completely different and the cost of operation is much higher ...

[shasherin.pavel]

What the hell! fixed already? So follow the comments. And why no one talks about design? in my opinion this is the most beautiful helicopter of all that I know. Designers credit!

[Maxom75]

and who knows why the landing gears are not removed from our helicopters? They may not be important for aesthetics, but isn't that important for aerodynamics? And why do our helicopters have such small portholes, well, maybe besides this? Do more arms do not rise? Another question on noise insulation, everyone says our reliable, but it is easy to become deaf, Westerners are quieter.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Maxom75

and who knows why the landing gears are not removed from our helicopters? They may not be important for aesthetics, but isn't that important for aerodynamics? And why do our helicopters have such small portholes, well, maybe besides this? Do more arms do not rise? Another question on noise insulation, everyone says our reliable, but it is easy to become deaf, Westerners are quieter.

A helicopter is not a plane. When the engine fails, he practically does not plan, but falls, and often rotates randomly. It is important for the pilot at this time to keep the car in autorotation mode and it is not at all up to the landing gear to launch it. The hands of the pilot at this time are occupied by 200%. Therefore, all over the world, landing gear, skis or skids of helicopters are not removed. They also soften the blow to the ground.
As for the windows, this is the result of the dual use of helicopters in civil and military aviation. Purely civilian helicopters are now being designed with large "windows" -illuminators.
Noise in the cabin is the result of saving on helicopter cabin weight. By the way, personally, when I parachuted on the An-2 plane, I also did not hear anything, only with signs the instructor let me know about the readiness to jump.
If you make good noise isolation, the cost of transportation will increase significantly and will become inaccessible to the civilian population.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Алексей_К

When the engine fails, he practically does not plan, but falls, and often rotates randomly. It is important for the pilot at this time to keep the car in autorotation mode and it is not at all up to the landing gear to launch it. The hands of the pilot at this time are occupied by 200%. Therefore, all over the world, landing gear, skis or skids of helicopters are not removed. They also soften the blow to the ground.

My father could tell a lot about this, sorry, does not favor the Internet. He twice fell on the Mi-8. And about the Mi-6, too.

[Lex.]

Well, probably all helicopter pilots face breakdowns, especially in the north where harsh conditions

[shasherin.pavel]

Mi -8 is recognized as the most reliable helicopter in the world. And if they often fall in the news, it is because there are more of them in the air than other helicopters. Its biggest drawback: when the pilot sharply gives the handle away from himself, the screw can begin to chop the tail boom, but this drawback is inherent in all single-rotor helicopters.

[Just BB]

Its biggest drawback: when the pilot sharply gives the handle away from himself, the screw can begin to chop the tail boom, but this flaw is inherent in all single-rotor helicopters.

In the morning inspired?
Sharp movements are contraindicated to everyone, especially in the morning and especially on holidays
So, for the outlook, the Mi-8 has long been equipped with stop systems "against sudden movements"

[Maxom75]

Well, if the chassis performs the function of passive safety, then I am only for it. From my point of view, safety should come first. Portholes still would like more. Noise isolation, modern materials can be used, they are almost weightless, well, he will lose 100 kg in carrying capacity and to hell with it, for which people inside themselves will normally feel. Moreover, as I understand it, it goes as a civilian, not a military one.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

So you ask him and write to us ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Алексей_К

, when I was parachuting on the An-2 plane, I also did not hear anything, only with signs the instructor let me know about ... I also when I fell from 8, I understood ... I’m kapets .. even now I am surprised that in the old body ...

we have here one "Colleagues" eager to leap ... (flag in hand). (take offense at drunk-me, no need) Angry, don't be angry!

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: Алексей_К

often randomly spinning.

if the rear screw fails. If you write this way, then look and note by the clock (you won't need a stopwatch) how long the helicopter's main rotors stop is enough to "plan" from 1000 meters.

[Bad_gr]

If the engine fails, then the autorotation helicopter has the opportunity to land normally. If the gearbox fails or the shaft breaks into the rear screw, then, in my opinion, without options, there is no chance to sit safely.

[Just BB]

But why?
The cleaning-release system is the presence of additional units - i.e. weight gain (on the Mi-24 abandoned retractable landing gear and immediately Mi-35).
And aerodynamics at speeds of 300 km / h is not so "evil" - on the face of a reasonable compromise

[Aqela]

Right! For example, the I-15 was with fixed gear, but the I-16 - the chassis was already retracted, and the speed was noticeably higher.

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: Aqela

but I-16 -

the speed became higher because the landing gear was retracted. At one time, a dilemma was created in aviation: with an increase in engine power, the weight of the engine increased, the tanks and total weight increased, for which longer wings and aircraft dimensions were needed, all this taken together reduced the speed of the aircraft. Here the members of the state acceptance committee of designers call and say: "We need a fighter with a speed of 450 km." For two hours, the designers proved the insurmountability of this speed with modern engines. Then they were told: "The fact is that such an aircraft already exists and it flies. And it was created by comrade Bartini, who made the retractable landing gear, removed the radiator in the fuselage and something else."

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Maxom75

and who knows why the landing gears are not removed from our helicopters?

so as not to forget later ...

Quote: Maxom75

And why do our helicopters have such small portholes

Schaub Opa got stuck, creating the right pressure.

Quote: Maxom75

Another question on noise insulation, everyone says our reliable, but you can easily become deaf, they are quieter in Westerners

so they don’t rummage in our opinion ...

[gladcu2]

Andrey Yurievich

In order not to forget to remove the chassis after take-off, you need to set the checkmark correctly in the setting.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The landing gears cannot be retracted from the helicopters, because when they fall, they soften the blow, for example, from the Mi-28 and Mi-35 ... they retracted from the Mi-24, but this was the first helicopter of its kind, so we first applied this solution, in the following models from this refused ... They don’t clean up the Mi-8 - it’s easier and it doesn’t greatly affect the aerodynamics - it’s not a fighter, but a transport and combat helicopter, but it can affect reliability, the landing gear will not come out and then you won’t put it on your belly like an airplane))) ... You’ll immediately break down the car and kill people ... Noise isolation is for civilian versions, but why is it needed for war? In order to make the helicopter longer and to burn better when this noise insulation is saturated with kerosene in case of shelling))) ... Everything is thought out ... Military helicopters must be reliable and efficient, and simple enough and not expensive, so that they can be there’s a lot to do ... Civilians, of course, have comfort ... The Mi-38 in this regard is very different from the Mi-8 ... I flew the Mi-8 several times, noisy, but not so deafened ...

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: Maxom75

and who knows why the landing gears are not removed from our helicopters?

And who knows why cars with speeds below 90 do not do wheel alignment? Because there is no need for this, this is overweight, which means minus the carrying capacity.

[shooter18]

Meanwhile, the New Year is already in Kamchatka !! Happy holiday !!))

[poquello]

Quote: shooter18

Meanwhile, the New Year is already in Kamchatka !! Happy holiday !!))

Congratulations on the coming, time flies fast - photonic computers, new nuclear power stations, plasmoids - fantastic.
They dig out all the old crap.
All with the New 2016 year!

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: poquello

They dig out all the old crap.

This is not rubbish, but as archaeologists have suggested - this is an ancient Sumerian mobile phone. Whether this is true or a scam is unknown. Wait and see.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Алексей_К

Quote: poquello

They dig out all the old crap.

This is not rubbish, but as archaeologists have suggested - this is an ancient Sumerian mobile phone. Whether this is true or a scam is unknown. Wait and see.

Well, an improvised battery for the galvanization process in ancient times was (also known as the Baghdad battery).

[Dimon19661]

Yes, yes, everything is correct, but the pyramids are base stations)))

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Dimon19661

Yes, yes, everything is correct, but the pyramids are base stations)))

Eric Von Deniken wrote that the pyramids are landing sites for alien ships.

[Misha Honest]

It’s clear that the matter is dark. :) The problem in modern science is that everything that does not fit modern scientific criteria is swept away or as non-existent. Modern scientists think too narrowly. And those units of scientists who say that everything is possible in principle are not taken seriously. Accordingly, their ideas and developments do not receive sufficient funding and are lost in the annals of history. This is sad...
But before, both Tsiolkovsky and Einstein were considered false scientists - the list goes on and on ... And in the end, they became the founders of the most ingenious inventions of mankind.
Hence the conclusion - completely modern science has become numb and has lost the most important thing - fantasy. Indeed, without fantasy it is impossible to invent something radically new!

[Dimon19661]

He just didn’t have a mobile phone.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote: Dimon19661

Yes, yes, everything is correct, but the pyramids are base stations)))

Eric Von Deniken wrote that the pyramids are landing sites for alien ships.

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote: Dimon19661

Yes, yes, everything is correct, but the pyramids are base stations)))

Eric Von Deniken wrote that the pyramids are landing sites for alien ships.

oh well ... cho, really ???

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

oh well ... cho, really ???

And he is not the only one talking about it ...

[ty60]

There are different options - one of them is as a resonator for space communications. In this regard, the accuracy of construction and orientation is extreme. The accuracy of the right angle at the base is two seconds! Careful polishing of the internal galleries

[ty60]

There are different options - one of them is as a resonator for space communications. In this regard, the accuracy of construction and orientation is extreme. The accuracy of the right angle at the base is two seconds! Careful polishing of the internal galleries

[gladcu2]

Air Force Reserve

Strange logic in your German. What is not enough around the place?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Алексей_К

. Wait and see.

you will see, you are our sane ....

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Алексей_К

Whether this is true or a scam is unknown. Wait and see.

number would give .....

[gladcu2]

AlekseyK

You can immediately see from the photo that the ancient Sumerian alphabet is really artificially created.

What scientists just won’t come up with to make money.

[figwam]

Coincidence? I don’t think so.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: figvam

Coincidence? I don’t think so.

here it’s not necessary to parody Kiselev today!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: poquello

They dig out all the old crap.
All with the New 2016 year!

I had it ...

[poquello]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Quote: poquello

They dig out all the old crap.
All with the New 2016 year!

I had it ...

dug up a gadget watch for that mobile phone?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: poquello

time flies fast - photonic computers, new nuclear power stations, plasmoids - fantastic.

and the clock from the tomb? and muzhYki on "dinakars" dissecting? and glass dunes on Mars, and other shnyaga .. would you like to say more about it?

[poquello]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Quote: poquello

time flies fast - photonic computers, new nuclear power stations, plasmoids - fantastic.

and the clock from the tomb? and muzhYki on "dinakars" dissecting? and glass dunes on Mars, and other shnyaga .. would you like to say more about it?

I would listen more, because there are questions and there are no answers explaining these incidents

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Raffle it all ...

[poquello]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Raffle it all ...

it’s easy to prove the draw, for example, searching by the watch’s serial number or analyzing microparticles, or at least refuting the authors about a joke, doesn’t come across

[Vladimirets]

Quote: shooter18

Kamchatka has a New Year!

We still do not have, damn, no order in the country.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Vladimirets

Quote: shooter18

Kamchatka has a New Year!

We still do not have, damn, no order in the country.

damn, we need to regulate the staplers again ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: shooter18

Meanwhile, the New Year is already in Kamchatka !! Happy holiday !!))

Cho really? .... pouring ... really late ... again ...

[RUSS]

Quote: vovanpain

Good luck!

Something the Defense Ministry is silent ....

[Igor F.]

So it is for civil aviation!

[RUSS]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: vovanpain

Good luck!

Something the Defense Ministry is silent ....

And yet I repeat, is there any info from the military on this helicopter?

[svp67]

Quote: vovanpain

Good luck!

And let the number of takeoffs equal the number of soft landings.
And the car is really beautiful, it should mean and fly well ...

[Bad_gr]

Compare with Mi-8

".... Firstly, the practical range has increased. With a full fuel supply equal to 3796 liters, the Mi-38 helicopter can fly 800 km (for the Mi-8, depending on the modification, this figure ranges from 425 to 590 km) The cargo compartment has become more voluminous, its dimensions are 8630 mm (length), 2400 mm (width) and 1850 mm (height). The carrying capacity has reached 6 tons. The speed has also increased: the Mi-8 has an average of 225 km / h, which 65 km / h lower than that of the Mi-38. The technical characteristics of the new machine also compare favorably in terms of the ceiling, in 2012 it set a world record of 8600 m, but the following year it turned out that the veteran Mi -8MSB, if equipped with engines of the new type TV3-117VMA-SBM1V, is also capable of something. -9150. The characteristics of this car, therefore, promise her a long and successful career in A Eroflot, and in the Air Force, and abroad .... " http://fb.ru/article/166490/vertolet-mi--tehnicheskie-harakteristiki-i-foto

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Bad_gr

The speed also increased: on the Mi-8 it averaged 225 km / h, which is 65 km / h lower than on the Mi-38.

The speed would be even higher if they realized retractable landing gear. Why helicopters still do not make retractable landing gear. After all, they cause excess air resistance?

[RUSS]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

The speed would be even higher if they realized retractable landing gear. Why helicopters still do not make retractable landing gear. After all, they cause excess air resistance?

The chassis will be removed, but in the future

[shasherin.pavel]

I think here in the photo there is a problem (small): horizontal speed over 500 km., Per hour of the device itself and speed at the ends of the screws can surpass modern screw production technologies. It is likely that you will need hard screws, and this will no longer be a helicopter. And the main quality of the helicopter is its ability to land vertically, not speed.

[seti]

Our helicopters are the best in the world and the market confirms this. Good luck.

[Basarev]

And everything would be fine - the helicopter is nimble and agile, and, as they say, completely from our components. Toka ... Looks very much like the Black Hawk.

[Prapor-527]

Originality is traced in domestic helicopters, and this is great !!!

[RUSS]

Quote: Basarev

And everything would be fine - the helicopter is nimble and agile, and, as they say, completely from our components. Toka ... Looks very much like the Black Hawk.

Open your eyes! What is it like ????

[tanit]

By sight - many are either Chuckie Norris, or Bruce Lee. But you’ll take a small sapper into your hand .... And, let’s give a damn who is in front of you. If so it will be clearer - like a blonde and a dinosaur.

At five meters fire point blank. - I think many will hold a master class.
With all my love for the strike, and his fans.
I’m sure that I’ll run. Two grandfathers managed. One father. I won’t run, so I’ll try. I’m not running, so I’ll finish it.
Well, something like that.
I respect the former governor of California. For a cigar.

[RUSS]

Quote: seti

Our helicopters are the best in the world and the market confirms this. Good luck.

We hope and projects for the future are being implemented

[vovanpain]

Brothers who are alive on this night! Happy New Year, brothers, forgive me if we offended someone in the old year, but we’ll break through this, or we are not Russians! Brothers, this toast for you! Happy New Year and whatever your home always has happiness.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Gazelle ... before work ... dreams ... and on board the Kalash will hold its hand ...

[SANAY]

Beautiful car! Thorough! In the north are waiting for new equipment!

[NDR-791]

Now Serdyukov is driving the "helicopters of Russia". Did you give him a TYPE certificate for poverty? If for an international sale - let it work. If for the army or GA, then I will no longer sit on the helicopter. I can justify !!!

[dr.star75]

Good news. The point is small: for regional carriers to start purchasing them.

[MIKHALYCH1]

Quote: dr.star75

Mi-38

They’ll buy, it’s enough to fly on old junk (albeit reliable)))

[dr.star75]

NOT the fact that they will purchase. Money is needed in the form of credit, leasing and other capitalist garbage. And we need airplanes. Feel the difference: do you need airplanes, or money for their production?

[shasherin.pavel]

I would lead the exhaust pipes of the engines through the tail boom behind the rear rotor and up. For civilian aircraft this is not relevant, but in the "terrorist danger" zone, where they can fly, "STINGERS" can fly behind the tail, when the exhaust gases pass in the tail boom, coolers can be installed. The sound will be lower, more comfortable and safer.

[Leia Organa]

Well done, we fly on a helicopter that we invented half a century ago!

[Tersky]

Quote: Leia Organa

and then we fly on a helicopter that was invented already half a century ago!

Well, how can I say ... The old horse will not spoil the furrow. If you are about MI-8, then it is the world's most popular twin-engine helicopter, the second most widespread military helicopter in the world (used in more than 50 countries), as well as its modernization of the Mi-8MT (export version of MI-17)

[Leia Organa]

Yes, I have nothing against Mi-8, on the contrary! As my dad says: Old, but proven

[Basarev]

I would still prefer a new one. And then so briefly agree and up to thirty-four instead of Armat.

[Tersky]

Quote: Basarev

And then so briefly agree and up to thirty-four instead of Armat.

And here will agree? The point is not that the old is better than the new, but that you need to transfer all the good that is in the old to the new. Speaking of the new MI-38, the beginning of design - 1981. Presentation of the model in Le Bourget - 1989. Layout - August 1991. Presentation of the full-scale model. - Mosaero Show - 1992. - MAX-1993. So it’s not so new. No offense, but minus returned. Arseny, Happy New Year! !

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Leia Organa

Yes, I have nothing against Mi-8, on the contrary! As my dad says: Old, but proven

A new helicopter or an old one, this is almost no difference for passengers. The thing is that controlling a helicopter is so complicated that not every cadet becomes a helicopter pilot. Because of this, helicopter pilots more often fight and do not live to see their early retirement; those who survived are lucky from God, with a good nervous system, orientation in the air and instantaneous, moreover, correct reaction to wind gusts, air holes, or vice versa tossing a helicopter with an air stream with coup helicopter. A helicopter is also very easy to destroy during takeoff and landing. This is where the helicopter pilots come from God. But you still need to shoot at targets and dodge enemy missiles.

[Just BB]

Something really painfully "pistimitichno" - the farewell to 2015 inspired?
Most often motorists fight - a car, "provvazza" is the most difficult vehicle to drive And all that: steering wheel and 2 pedals (with automatic transmission) and stands on the ground with 4 supports.
And here: one hand is responsible for three planes, the second for the height and thrust of the screw, and the legs hold the course - horror
and it hangs in the air "on one nut".
In Soviet times, 400 people were issued by pilots for helicopters, and even DOSAAF helped - there was a school, and as you know, a bear is taught to ride a bicycle, motorcycle, car,

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: Leia Organa

but verified

and still unsurpassed.

[rpek32]

E-38
The beginning of design - 1981.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Leia Organa

Well done, we fly on a helicopter that we invented half a century ago!

let's throw a glass, ugh, throw a spoon ...

[shasherin.pavel]

Pretty! after half a century, foreigners can only dream of such a helicopter.

[dmi.pris1]

The news is good. But the photo shows that there are foreign engines on the helicopter. Most likely Canadian ..

[T-90 Plus]

Engines TV7-117V (JSC "Klimov")
At the initial stage, the possibility of installing a foreign engine manufactured by Pratt & Whitney was also considered, but after the conflict with Georgia, the United States imposed a ban on its installation due to the possible double use of Mi-38 helicopters.

[Fregate]

Yesterday in the news showed and said that our engines. Although I read somewhere that our engines are not there (unless I confuse it with the Ka-62).

[gjv]

Quote: Fregate

I read somewhere that we don’t have our engines on them (if I don’t confuse it with the Ka-62).

The Mi-38 has domestic TV7-117V engines, although the Pratt & Whitney Canada PW127TS engine was originally developed. In 2008 (after the Georgian-Ossetian conflict), the Westerners imposed a sanction on the use of their engines due to the possible dual-use helicopter.
In the case of the Ka-62, exactly the opposite. It was originally designed for the Russian RD-600V engine. However, there are some problems with fine-tuning and serial production on Rybinsk Motors. Now they plan to use French Turbomeca Ardiden 3G engines with a gearbox and transmission from the Austrian company Zoerkler, which is hardly a good thing, since sanctions may come back to haunt here, and where is the import substitution. It would be better if they helped Rybinsk Motors to solve technological problems!

[Leia Organa]

on the Mi-38 TV7-117V engines are

[Just BB]

RD-600 is twice as weak as TV3-117 *** (aka VK-2500) and his younger brother TV7-117 - you need to work !!!

[gjv]

Quote: Just BB

need to work!!!

Of course you need to work !!! And the RD-600V, of course, cannot work as well as the TV7-117V. I repeat, respected VV: RD-600V was originally planned to work on the Ka-62 with a maximum take-off weight of 6500 kg. And TV7-117V works on the Mi-38 with a maximum take-off weight of 15600 kg. Work and labor will grind everything!

[Just BB]

The Mi-38 has domestic TV7-117V engines, although the Pratt & Whitney Canada PW127TS engine was originally developed.

Originally designed for the Russian engine RD-600V. RD-600V was originally planned ...

Yes, everything has been with us since Soviet times.
Only "Lego-SSJ" from the "new"

[gjv]

Quote: dmi.pris

But the photo shows that the helicopter has foreign engines. Most likely Canadian ..

Not at all. Mi-38 flight certification tests were conducted on two prototypes (OP-3 and OP-4) equipped with domestic engines TV7-117V development of Klimov. In the first half of 2015, these engines also successfully passed certification.

[gfs84]

In photo MI38-2, the inscription on the hull is visible on the hull with a glazed cabin, that is, a prototype N2, and he just walked with the PW127TS passed the test, the machine is planned to be exported as well, and there the customer will pay for the composition of the avionics and power plant ... So it is better to have various certified configurations, and not give the market to competitors without a fight :-)
All with the upcoming!

[gjv]

Quote: gfs84

In the photo MI38-2, the inscription on the hull is visible with a glazed cabin, that is, a prototype N2

No, this is not the numbering of prototypes. Mi-38-2 is written on board just the same both prototypes with domestic engines OP-3 RA-38013 and OP-4 RA-38014 (it is also shown in the photo). That is, the Mi-38-2 is precisely the designation of the modification with Russian engines. And on the prototypes OP-1 RA-38011 and OP-2 RA-38012 on board just written Mi-38. And the external difference of the nacelles is not particularly striking, outwardly they are more likely similar, only some details differ. Compare.

[i] Mi-38 OP-1 with Canadian engines [/]

[i] Mi-38-2 OP-3 with Russian engines [/]

Quote: gfs84

So it is better to have various certified configurations, and not give the market to competitors without a fight :-)

This is the essence of the matter with engines. In 2008 (after the Georgian-Ossetian conflict), the Westerners imposed a sanction on the use of their engines due to the possible dual-use helicopter. Such a competitive battle. But maybe this is better? Own helicopters with their engines.

[gfs84]

Thanks for the amendment!
Yes, the situation with the pratovskih engines in the know, but thanks for the dive)))
But it seems to me that the car will also be certified with foreign SU (not necessarily it will be Pratt & Whitney, although when the car starts to actively occupy the market and they start to fuss), it’s difficult to go against the market and there are some nuances))))
Once again with the upcoming!

[gjv]

Quote: gfs84

although when the car starts to actively occupy the market and they start bustling), it is difficult to go against the market and there are some nuances))))

Unfortunately, there is such a nuance - Mi-38 - medium-duty helicopter. IMHO, a very strange positioning, because what is it average with a payload of 3300 kg and a range of 900 km? Whom do marketers want to mislead? This beautiful helicopter is a development of the old man Mi-8.
The middle one will be a helicopter with a carrying capacity of 10-15 tons, no longer the Mi-8, but also not the Mi-26. That will be a really average and competitor to the American Chinook. That's when they really start to fuss. Only when will this "then" come? Maybe the announced joint project with the Chinese will turn out like this? But for now, unfortunately, with a pitchfork on the water ...

[gfs84]

Unfortunately, there is such a nuance - Mi-38 - medium-duty helicopter. IMHO, a very strange positioning, because what is it average with a payload of 3300 kg and a range of 900 km? Whom do marketers want to mislead? This beautiful helicopter is a development of the old man Mi-8.

Without conditionally, this is the development of a workhorse in the person of MI-8.
That's just who compiled such a task on Nigo and based on what considerations ... Here is the main question ...
The "iron" middle peasant in my understanding is MI-6, and besides, by the number of issued not only in mine)))
Why, when approaching MI-26, went to a significant augmentation of everything and everything ???
And what can be attributed to the middle peasants that are modernly produced? Chinook?
Then we’ll try to compare them head-to-side with the dimensions of the cab sizes, the unconditional leader of the CH-47, with approximately equal height / width, he wins 2 meters in length, respectively, and the useful volume is sicker by 10 cubic meters.
On the engines, he is also ahead.
On the transported cargo also (I look at the maximum speed - MI / Boeing) - salon 6/9 - suspension 7/12 ...
range with normal load 900/1600 km, and then the "American" is ahead ...
The conclusion coincides with yours, no MI-38 is the middle peasant, but a mix version from the MI-8/17 family))) Which is indirectly confirmed by a single engine.
M middle peasants we now have in production and is not expected ...
The only question is why ??? Although if you look at the list of Chinukov’s operators, it becomes clear why the car is not in demand in the commercial market, and the military have something to solve their problem

[Just BB]

Who buys Russian helicopters will not buy American and vice versa who is allowed to BUY American - Russian and will not let close

[gjv]

Quote: Just BB

who is allowed to BUY American - Russian and will not let close

Hindus as a typical exception.
They own Mi-8, Mi-17, Mi-26, Mi-35. We signed a contract for the Ka-226. But they also signed contracts for the AH-64 Apache and the CH-47 Chinook.
Who have "let" you go, silly? Or do they buy what they need? In particular, Chinook has an average payload between the Mi-8 and Mi-26.
Why did the Americans buy the Mi-17 in Afghanistan ?! "Allowed", or what is better for the given conditions?

[Just BB]

Why did Americans buy the Mi-17s in Afghanistan ?!

Intentions (to procure) and action (to procure) - the essence: two different things
Hindus are not a typical exception - when purchasing a "product", they demand (from Russia) to actually launch the production and repair of this product at home and by their own specialists (if "in a nutshell").
Amerikosy only work on their own terms!

[gjv]

Quote: Just BB

Intentions (to procure) and action (to procure) - the essence: two different things

I don’t understand what the "essence: two different things" are?
There are 33 Mi-17s, 11 Mi-35s and 6 American MD-530Fs in Afghanistan. What are the intentions? Who will not be allowed near whom?

Quote: Just BB

Hindus are not a typical exception

Is Egypt also not a typical exception?
In Egypt, 35 Boeing Helicopter AH-64D, 4 Chinooks, 17 Hiller UH-12E, 12 Kaman SH-2G, 4 Sikorsky S-70A, 2 Sikorsky UH-60A. And at the same time, someone let 9 Mi-6, 32 Mi-8 close there. And on December 30, a contract was signed for the supply of 52 Ka-46 Alligator helicopters.

[Koshak]

Quote: dmi.pris

The news is good. But the photo shows that there are foreign engines on the helicopter. Most likely Canadian ..

Do you have an x-ray machine on the monitor, where do you come from? Something I did not see here a photo with the hoods removed.

[L. A. A.]

The peculiarity of the Mi-38 helicopter is the so-called "glass cockpit": dozens of mechanical indicators, which we are used to seeing in the cockpits of familiar aircraft, have been replaced by electronic displays that can be configured to display the information necessary for pilots.
Not everyone can afford to fly such helicopters.

[Kasym]

The peculiarity is that at 8 km. will rise. A little more and through Everest will be able to fly.
Happy New Year!!!

[Just BB]

There are not many places in the world higher than 8 km! Yes, and the "breeze" at these heights is not "okolostilevaya" - so hang somewhere near a stone wall at such a height ????
Just fly at a level of more than 2000m - you’ll burn more fuel while climbing.
I understand the concern about the people living high in the mountains, but who except the Ministry of Emergencies will fly there today?

[Kasym]

Forget about the actions in Afghanistan, when sometimes the "ceiling" was not enough. Well, MANPADS: 8 km for them. is already out of reach. It is better to fly over dangerous areas than not to have such an opportunity. So, in my opinion, the characteristic is very important.
From my balcony I can see the mountains under 5 km. And such places in Asia in bulk. Tien Shan, Altai, Caucasus, Pamir, Tibet, Hindu Kush, Karakorum, Himalayas - the market for such machines is huge, the Russian Federation should hurry up and take the whole "piece". What do you think?

[Just BB]

I still remember, but years ...
In a helicopter, altitude depends on the engine in many ways, and not on external forms.
When the engines on TV8-24V (VM) ("high-altitude") were changed for the Mi-3 and Mi-117, then the process began.
And about MANPADS and helicopters ... pleased ...

[sssla]

I don’t know how anyone, but you can feel the thoroughbred in the look of the car, power in one word !!!

[Pereira]

Timely.
In the North, this is not enough.

[iliitchitch]

After all, the "eight" is an ingenious machine. What was put into it in due time is still relevant, just improve. And the engines will soon have their own - hello to usrop.

[Zomanus]

Excellent, especially for regional traffic.
More precisely, this is a cast of all kinds of expeditions into all kinds of wilds.
For sanitation, too, a super-cool theme.
A couple more plants for the production of engines will work and how to tear ...

[Koshak]

Quote: Zomanus

For sanitation, too, a super-cool theme.

For sanitation, it is perhaps a little heavy and expensive. Ka-226 is another matter. Previously, the Mi-2 was quite able to cope with this.

[askort154]

Holiday article from the mouth of a drunken TASS:
After the first pro - Mi-38,
After the second pro - Sm-38,
After the third pro Mi-39.
After the fourth, they were supposed to be about women, but not fate.
The main thing is not to turn out to be "sticky".

[Pereira]

Come on, there would be no joy for those who are already celebrating. Nevertheless, everyone understood.

[iliitchitch]

About women a bit later. And in the morning it will be interesting to read articles.

[Sealek]

"Today the cost center was solemnly presented with a category B certificate for the Mi-38 with a bunch of restrictions, such as:
1) a ban on the carriage of passengers;
2) flight altitude not more than 2000 m;
3) take-off weight of not more than 14200 kg, i.e. only normal;
4) the maximum speed is not more than 240 km / h;
5) without autopilot;
6) flights only at temperatures from -5 ...- 10 to +20 ... + 25 (on which they managed to fly off during flight tests, but they were carried out only in the Moscow region);
7) take-off and landing from / to the runway without snow, dust, etc .;
8) take-off only from sites up to 2000 meters high.
This is done in order to close the plan to the ministry and in the future there will be work to obtain category "A". Knowing how the AR IAC works, it will still drag on for 5-10 years and eat up a huge amount of money ... "(c)

[parafoiler]

The normal state of affairs for a new car ... The so-called "childhood diseases" ...

[gjv]

Quote: SeAlek

1) a ban on the carriage of passengers; 2) flight altitude not more than 2000 m; 3) take-off weight of not more than 14200 kg, i.e. only normal;

This and that is that it is not medium-sized, with a commercial load of 3300 kg and a flight range of 900 km. The development of the good old Mi-8 - yes. And the average payload - should be a payload of 10-15 tons. Already not Mi-8, but also not Mi-26 and Mi-12, but globally - a competitor to the American Chinook.

[Just BB]

"Got"!?
On a holiday, people want to "rejoice", and you with "harsh reality."
But it already was

1) a ban on the carriage of passengers;

after replacing the engines on the Mi-8 from TV2-117 to TV3-117.
Walking on the "rake field" is a national feature

[Barakuda]

And there was the Mi-12, the record holder, it’s a pity I didn’t go to the series, the military said no longer ..

[VNP1958PVN]

But Sikorsky has been preserved for Russia, but not survived by the Amekans, who would rivet them helicopters?

[Barakuda]

Indeed, if Rakhmaninov had not been supported financially, who knows where the world helicopter industry would have turned.

[kil 31]

Quote: Barracuda

Indeed, if Rakhmaninov had not been supported financially, who knows where the world helicopter industry would have turned.

It would be the same, only they would write a different surname everywhere. There was something to choose from. Germans FI-265 Fa-223, Britons XR-4BS, XR-6AS, Amers Sikorsky VS-316. The volumes went at Sikorsky, though after the war. In the war it was not up to the volumes with helicopters.

[Pereira]

It would be delayed. Godkov on 10.

[morpogr]

Good news for the holiday! Now not dragging out in a series for both military and civilian purposes.
All readers IN Happy New Year!

[andrei.yandex]

Thanks to the USSR. Mi-38 - the first information was in the magazine "Civil Aviation" in the late 80s.

[Metlik]

Quote: figvam

Somehow he does not pull on this niche. That's how the replacement of the MI-8go is, yes.

Mi 8 is cheaper, easier to maintain, this is exactly the niche that is most in demand during the crisis. Replace it with a more expensive helicopter will not work.

New cars are more likely to compete with foreign counterparts.

[Zaurbek]

In service, just the Mi-38 will be cheaper. And the price is how to calculate. Mi8 has a net cost + margin, without the cost of R&D, testing, etc. And then a new sample with all the cap costs.

[bmv04636]

The positive does not end here.
Russian robotic sniper from the company of private gunsmith Lobaev

[tracer]

The good news ... The sniper robot will find its own use. I think this is an example of how private companies work for the good of Russia. And it also seems to me that these are just those "flowers" that we MUST KNOW about. There are probably still "berries" that few know about. And it pleases.

[blind]

ours successfully tested combat robots in Syria http://warfiles.ru/show-104597-v-sirii-voyuyut-rossiyskie-roboty.html

[askort154]

In the criminal world, "man" is a derogatory word. And for normal people, the word "man" is a symbol of a real man. Therefore, I appeal to those who: on the ground or in the air, on the water or under water - HAPPY NEW YEAR, MEN!
(everything is called at the table!)

[AIR ZNAK]

Quote: Bad_gr

Compare with Mi-8

".... Firstly, the practical range has increased. With a full fuel supply equal to 3796 liters, the Mi-38 helicopter can fly 800 km (for the Mi-8, depending on the modification, this figure ranges from 425 to 590 km) The cargo compartment has become more voluminous, its dimensions are 8630 mm (length), 2400 mm (width) and 1850 mm (height). The carrying capacity has reached 6 tons. The speed has also increased: the Mi-8 has an average of 225 km / h, which 65 km / h lower than that of the Mi-38. The technical characteristics of the new machine also compare favorably in terms of the ceiling, in 2012 it set a world record of 8600 m, but the following year it turned out that the veteran Mi -8MSB, if equipped with engines of the new type TV3-117VMA-SBM1V, is also capable of something. -9150. The characteristics of this car, therefore, promise her a long and successful career in A Eroflot, and in the Air Force, and abroad .... " http://fb.ru/article/166490/vertolet-mi--tehnicheskie-harakteristiki-i-foto

In fact, the Mi-8 refueling in the main 3500l tanks and in the cargo compartment are equipped with additional tanks with underground connection points for 2 pieces of 915 l each (nominally 1), totaling 4400 l And a tank is also placed for long-distance driving (sometimes from Mi-4 500 l and it turns out 4900 l) at a flow rate of even 700 l / hr. Here we get a ferry range of over 1100 km

[Zaurbek]

Chinook's competitor is Mi-6, and MI-8-17-38 is one niche and the main enemy of the Mi-38, oddly enough, the Mi-8! (Modernized). And you need to think about how to market it.

[kizhe]

In the New Year with new transport. Good luck

[infantryman2020]

Quote: seti

Our helicopters are the best in the world and the market confirms this. Good luck.

Again "Russia - the homeland of elephants". Well, how much can you? :(

[Leia Organa]

I hope a beautiful helicopter is launched as soon as possible in a series! With the upcoming all, by the way!

[Garis]

So the girl contributed to the discussion. So really good. Happy New Year to all!

[RUSS]

Quote: Leia Organa

I hope a beautiful helicopter is launched as soon as possible in a series! With the upcoming all, by the way!

"Killer Whale" is also on its way

[Zaurbek]

Without Russian engines, there are few prospects.

[Zaurbek]

Without Russian engines, there are few prospects.

[OlegV]

Happy New Year, everyone.
May 2016 be at least a little better than the previous one, may our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren never hear explosions of shells, cold and hunger. Peaceful heaven over your head and good health. So be it.

[SAM 5]

Guys with upcoming! From the heart to you all, all! I love you.
PS; don't get it wrong.

[evge-malyshev]

The information presented is extremely ugly: then MI-38, then Sm-38 and, finally, MI-39. Where does the site manual look? Or does it not look at all or does not see anything?

[YGV-97219]

Happy New Year everyone! I wish you all health and success in life!

[Vadim237]

Happy New Year 2016 and in the new year there would be more successful achievements - happiness and success.

[kil 31]

As you meet the new year, you will spend it. Colleagues, appreciate the irony of the moment in Ukraine. New Year, EU FTA with Ukraine, default, Bandera’s birthday. The New Year is normal, the FTZ Karachun of their industry, defaulted the end of the financial economy, made the hero a schizophrenic killer and for that they raise their glasses. Only one day in history and this day brought death to a large country on the Eurasian continent. Let's not clink glasses for my neighbor Kharkov region. And we wish ourselves that in the New Year the Kremlin would engage not in words, but in the endowment of the domestic economy.

[liza1999]

Let them do it. In the Kremlin. But I would like to take a break from the "puppies" and the news from there. Let's think about ourselves. Happy New Year everyone!

[liza1999]

Gentlemen, comrades, I don't know anything here yet. I do not know where and how you can post congratulations that are not tied to topics and posts (by the way, teach me). But I want to congratulate all the highly respected authors and commentators of our site on the New Year! There is confidence that our analytical articles, jokes, just "jokes" work for the good of our Motherland! We will survive everything and we will be alive!

[dchegrinec]

Russia is simply obliged to be a large aviation power. This great work must be supported by State control. This is our prestige and possession of world markets. Weaknesses can not be allowed here.

[33 Watcher]

Happy New Year everyone! Guys!
A helicopter, a thing insanely simple, there is an axis, the axis of the rotor. And how much you put on this axis does not matter. Will fly away, will not fly away ... Traction, traction of engines ... That's the main thing!

[SAM 5]

Wings. legs ... main tail (m / f Wings, legs and tails)
Happy New Year! Gotta hang out

[liza1999]

Thrilling a thought! I strongly support!

[Just BB]

I almost agree - in order to move back and forth and to the sides, this axis is rejected - how much its AP rejects - how fast the helicopter will fly.
"Motor + gearbox + blades"

[Leonid L]

With the birth of a new serial helicopter, I hope Milevtsy from escort to return to development !!!

[Hauptam]

Serdyukov came and ... things went !!!! But in general, the car had a long way, thank God, fly home.

[Just BB]

Quote: Алексей_К

A helicopter is not a plane. When the engine fails, he practically does not plan, but falls, often spinning randomly () At this time, it is important for the pilot to keep the car in autorotation mode and it is not at all time for the landing gear to be released. The hands of the pilot at this time are occupied by 200%. Therefore, all over the world, landing gear, skis or skids of helicopters are not removed. They also soften the blow to the ground.

Happy New Year!

[izya top]

well?! wait for you long? my vodka is sour

[evil partisan]

Hello! Well ... For aerodynamics! Contrary to which the helicopter and flies . Hooray, comrades!

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

Contrary to which the helicopter and flies

and su-47 does not fall apart despite aerodynamics
well, for soviet designers

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

for Soviet designers

Come on. I knew a lot of them. True, they all worked on missiles. None of them are left ...

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

True, they all worked on missiles.

their legacy and alive

[evil partisan]

Today my son thundered to the hospital. Already operated. Come on for his health .

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

Come on for his health

[Andrey Yuryevich]

here ish horse meat, come on ... everything will be in the hole.

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

Come on.

hear, lackey, where are you going?! my liver cannot cope for two!

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

Where are you disappearing to?

Izya! Sorry! I have a parallel lesson here - I play chess on one site . Sedna suit rushing - finally !!! you need to fill the rating. no offense. Tomorrow the thought will disappear - and that's all, one upset ... And I’m not disappearing for a long time, a maximum of 8 minutes!
Come on for your health!

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

I have a parallel lesson here - I play chess on one site

et, you're smart
well, for the cells are black and white

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

for cells are black and white

Come on!
I was once even disqualified for 1 year for drinking and brawling in a tournament. The title of CCM selected bastards ... I took offense at them and tied up with chess. What kind of sport is it that you won’t drink ?? Yes, I played defender on football after 0,5 at a time!

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

for booze and brawl in the tournament.

how dare? soap judge

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

soap judge

The judge received his. Verbally. I sent him on foot on an erotic journey in the form of a female genital organ produced in the era before historical materialism ...
Well ... for Putin! May he live forever.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

Well ... for Putin! May he live forever.

So he already lives forever - according to the Western press

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

Well ... for Putin! May he live forever.

but I thought maybe his business trip for a couple of years in kukuev

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

maybe his business trip for a couple of years in kukuev

There are more Shoigu and Ramzan needed ...
Well ... For the President! Standing up And don’t try to get dirty - I see everything! Well, you know ...

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

And do not try to dirty

as soon as such seditious thought visited you

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

as soon as such seditious thought visited you

I do not mean a drink !!! Here you do not need to persuade. I mean - standing! I see that you did not get up after all ... ...

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

I see that I did not get up after all

Of course I didn’t get up. We got rid of the lords in the 17th. Only Mikhalkov forgot to dispose of.
Well, health to you, to all of you, and to 84% of Russian citizens

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

84%

Those. 16% is simply impossible to re-educate, chtoli? But what about medicinal logging / rafting? I'm not talking about uranium mines ...

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

But what about medicinal logging / rafting? I'm not talking about uranium mines ...

stole they are creakles, they see tat
so don't get distracted

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

not distracted

Those. even to shoot a couple of liberals is no reason for a delay, chtoli? Ok, wait . Come on, for us! Harrroshi we are people!
If I understand something in people, then soon someone will join us.

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

Harrroshi we are people!

and who has doubts? although ... the banshee disagrees with us ... and to hell with him, God grant him health

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

Banshee disagrees with us.

Yes, he finally can not even agree with nature. What did nature say to him? And she told him the following: "You are Roma Knave by nature! Do not resist nature!" And he not only resists. so also became a writer You get mad here ...
Well ... For his health! Schaub him everything was fine with him!

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

You are Roma Jack by nature!

ha, fun

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

,fun

It will be fun tomorrow ...
Well, by "X"
Well ... For the Fleet!
Try not to get up! I see everything!

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

Well ... For the Fleet!

stand up for the fleet

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

stand up for the fleet

Good for you! I controlled ...

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

I controlled

what did you call? my eyes are sticking together, the snack does not go up, vodka is already squelching in my nose ...
my poor liver, god bless you

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

eyes stick together

Insert matches

Quote: izya top

the snack does not climb

Shove her harder

Quote: izya top

vodka already squish in the nose.

Well, not in his underpants!
Come on, Happy New Year! Or are you not naval ???

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

Come on, Happy New Year! Or are you not naval ???

I'm civilian! but ... we’ll drink it all, but the fleet will not be dishonored

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

I'm civilian!

Well then, I'm an Indian padish.

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

I am an Indian padish.

hear, Slam, you don’t go to pet Petroshenko
and yes

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

you don’t go to pet patroshenko

You didn’t confuse me with a squirrel?
And yes, come on!
Well, everything Izzy ... I seem ready already ... Come on, be healthy, where to hiccup me - you know. I don’t live here anyway ... Bye, my fellow believer!

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

You didn’t confuse me with a squirrel?

so I fear that you will be the third superfluous, squirrel and you but to exclude you from this composition, there will be harmony.
well beyond grace

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

sawed \ rafting?

light alloy. as a specialist I say ...

[evil partisan]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

alloy

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

special say

I'm not a gynecologist either, but I can show it.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

[quote = angry partisan] Yes, I played a defender on football after 0,5 at a time! [/ quote yes just ... lie down ...

[evil partisan]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

lay down

This is for you, the keepers, such a manner, but I was extreme. You’ll go to hell ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: wicked partisan

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

lay down

This, you keeper, has such a manner, but the last one was. You’ll go to hell ...

yes lan .... question? lope? ....

[evil partisan]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

. Question? Dap ?.

Explain Colleague .
And anyway ... where did your namesake go? Jew fucking ...
Yes. And anyway: I’m something from you, I don’t watch a toast colleague !!
Are you: with us or against us?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

And anyway: I’m something from you, I don’t watch a toast colleague!

grams of about "half a hundred" can, simply, without toast ... and "ours" have their own habits, which must be respected. and nashchet to wave ... well, no shob, yes!

[evil partisan]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

so, Schaub no, yes!

Izya! We found another yearbook ...

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

We found another yearbook ...

I don’t want home owners for free

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: wicked partisan

Quote: izya top

Where are you disappearing to?

Izya! Sorry! I have a parallel lesson here - I play chess on one site . Sedna suit rushing - finally !!! you need to fill the rating. no offense. Tomorrow the thought will disappear - and that's all, one upset ... And I’m not disappearing for a long time, a maximum of 8 minutes!
Come on for your health!

cho. right now shesh-beh, "shashmatami" insult ???

[Andrey Yuryevich]

in the section "add a comment" -, I will add: the mustache were blown away .... admins and modders: Happy Holidays ....

[evil partisan]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

truncated blown away .... admins and moderators

Right now, blown away ... Such as I have in their monitoring. Turn on the time machine and banned - do not go to the grandmother . Well, x with them. Anyway, I decided to finish with VO.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

.. such as I have in their monitoring.

a lot of honor blue .... it became boring, and the repression rolled over. maybe dump too.

[evil partisan]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

a lot of honor blue ....

I hear from the blue!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

yes lan, do not buzi ... I tried to "tie", but realized: not mine ...

[izya top]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

it became boring, and the repression rolled over.

take antidepressants

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

take antidepressants

Izzy. How do you cook them?

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

How do you cook them?

whole

[Andrey Yuryevich]

In Odessa on Malaya Arnautskaya "everything is done to order, even children"
On the legendary street, watches are repaired, fur coats are painted and kosher fed. And, in fact, none of the locals is against the fact that smuggling is being done here again.
sho is not clear ???

[izya top]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

sho is not clear ???

why the Georgians there?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: iza top

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

sho is not clear ???

why the Georgians there?

where / who?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

I heard you ...

[izya top]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

I heard you ...

heh, namesake, and since when on "you"?
and can be repeated

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

why the Georgians there?

Khachipuri with a kitten. Not everyone has a secret. More precisely: not only everything ...

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

More precisely: not only everything

and you look tomorrow, where four of the two are
well tomorrow

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

and you look tomorrow, where four of the two are

Yes . I just didn’t learn to talk with the dead ...

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

I just didn’t learn to talk with the dead

first practice on the pavement

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

first practice on the pavement

Hamish, kid ??
All. I am sleeping. Be healthy!

[izya top]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

Hamish, kid ??

ho-ho (s) ... or "horror"?
well, health to you and your family

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

... Such as I have in their monitoring.

Ya neighing, seeing a reflection
...

[blind]

ours successfully tested combat robots in Syria http://warfiles.ru/show-104597-v-sirii-voyuyut-rossiyskie-roboty.html

[SAM 5]

Well, guys, are all alive in the new year? Once again with the holiday. Today you can drink more .

[Misha Honest]

We are alive, but no one knows where the admins are ... Apparently in the west ... trench.

[izya top]

Quote: SAM 5

are all alive in the new year?

I look something like this

[izya top]

or so --------------------------

[evil partisan]

Quote: izya top

I look something like this

Rather like this:

Hi Isenka!

[AIR ZNAK]

Quote: Zaurbek

In service, just the Mi-38 will be cheaper. And the price is how to calculate. Mi8 has a net cost + margin, without the cost of R&D, testing, etc. And then a new sample with all the cap costs.

Yes? Have you already calculated this? But for example, the Mi-8 MTV was made in the form of 1000 hours only at the factory for the first 10 years, at least from the beginning of production. So we consider the costs of idling as well. and aggregates on a new machine? And the cost of these components and assemblies? And will they be given access to repair and / or replacement to everyone in a row? And the transfer of ground services to a new type? Admission bases and personnel? retraining of everything and everything? Counting, counting, then writing

[RaydenMIX]

Well what can I say ... proud!

[Alcoholic]

MI-8AMT can not be replaced.
But purely for complacency ... let it fly

[Stauffenberg]

All salads are finished. 100500 kg gained. Where is the news -)))

[33 Watcher]

And, what is the administration of the site, still on the loose? Where is the news? Where are the materials? Chorus bastard ..!