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Anti-crisis war on two fronts

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Anti-crisis war on two fronts



In 2015, Russia entered the burden of confrontation with Ukraine and with Western countries supporting Kiev. The hostility of the West was expressed in sensitive Western economic sanctions to which Moscow was subjected, but a more negative factor for the latter was the sharp fall in oil prices on world markets in the second half of 2014, which also exposed the structural problems of the Russian economy. In aggregate, all this led to the almost double devaluation of the Russian ruble in the winter of 2014 / 15 of the year and to Russia's entry into the economic recession.

However, a year later, it became obvious that, in economic terms, Russia experienced what had happened better than many had expected. The economic downturn was shallow and quickly stabilized, there was no serious financial and banking crisis, and a number of manufacturing sectors received even positive impulses from currency devaluation and mutual restrictions on the supply of products between Russia and the West — which led to export growth and import substitution in some segments.

During 2015, one of the main tasks of Russian President Vladimir Putin was to strive for the “liquidation” of the Ukrainian crisis on relatively favorable conditions for Moscow in order to normalize relations with the West. At the beginning of the year in the east of Ukraine, pro-Russian rebels were able to inflict sensitive defeats on Ukrainians in the areas of Donetsk Airport and Debaltseve, which forced Kiev to sign the second Minsk Peace Agreement in February 2015 and led to a certain detente in this region for most of 2015.

Economic problems, including due to their moderation, had practically no effect on Russia's military spending, which in the 2015 year was maintained within the specified limits, and the 2016 year was approved only with the smallest nominal reduction. This led to the fact that the ambitious Russian armaments program was carried out without significant disruptions, and the problems encountered in a number of sectors (primarily in shipbuilding) were caused by the cessation of deliveries of certain types of engines and components from Ukraine or from the West, which forced them to look for a replacement market or in China. A golden rain of state military orders continues to pour into the Russian defense industry, and the level of defense exports remains steadily high.

In the field of military construction, Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu continued, on the one hand, the practice of building up intensive exercises and sudden “checks” of deployment, and on the other hand, he began a line to increase the number of conventional forces. The deployment of a number of new units of the Ground Forces and the Air Force began, and a large-scale program for doubling the elite Airborne Forces was announced. The Air Force was reorganized into the Aerospace Forces in order to enhance the integration of actions aviation, Air defense, missile defense and space capabilities.

Given the current problems with manning, the deployment of new forces is a serious challenge to the manning and combat readiness of the units.

At the same time, the demonstrative anti-Russian intensification of NATO military activity in Eastern Europe has so far not significantly affected Russian military construction. This suggests that Moscow does not believe in the possibility of a serious military confrontation with the West, and the parrying of the western military threat is increasingly placing on strategic nuclear forces that make senseless any buildup of conventional forces in Europe. In fact, Russia is gradually tacitly turning to a kind of analogue of the American doctrine of “massive retaliation” of 1950 – 1960's, which in the future could lead to a further strengthening of the nuclear factor in Russian strategic planning.

In the context of Putin’s striving to achieve a broad settlement with the West, the unprecedented Russian military operation in Syria launched in September should be assessed. This was the first case of Russian serious military intervention outside the former USSR in the post-Soviet period. The Syrian campaign is accompanied by widespread propaganda and demonstration of the increased military-technological capabilities of Russia, such as the use of ship-based and air-launched cruise missiles, precision bombs and UAVs.

At the same time, it is not clear whether the intervention in Syria will bring about the desired results for Moscow, both in the form of stabilizing the position of the Bashar al-Assad regime and weakening the Islamic State, and in the form of restoring at least partial partnership with the West from "strong" positions for Russia. So far, the Russian military campaign has not led to significant military results and, at the same time, has further complicated Moscow’s relations with both the United States and a number of regional players, primarily with Turkey.

The destruction of the Russian Su-24M bomber by Turkish fighters put the relations of Russia and Turkey to the brink of military confrontation. In 2016, Putin will be faced with the problem of preventing the intensification of military confrontation in the region with the NATO countries, as well as avoiding deeper involvement in the Syrian conflict as a whole.

The confusion of the Syrian situation is exacerbated for Moscow by the continuation of increasing confrontation with Ukraine. Kiev openly sabotages the Minsk Agreements and is more interested in forcing escalation in the Donbass, setting fairly transparent goals to maximize the internationalization of the conflict in order to increase Western pressure on Russia.

Thus, in 2016, Moscow faces the prospect of exacerbating crises on two fronts at once. In both cases, Putin’s task will be to tread a fine line between protecting Russian interests and preventing further intensification of confrontation with the West.
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  1. The black
    The black 19 December 2015 18: 11 New
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    I said, I say and I will say that we will have a crisis until we establish domestic production, agriculture, tourism, etc. If the state’s internal economic policy is correct, they don’t give a damn about world prices for oil and gas. Until a fig of developed countries they live without their LOBs. And live well, having a very powerful economy.
    1. herruvim
      herruvim 19 December 2015 18: 26 New
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      Barack Obama calls Putin in a panic:
      “Volodya, you are bombing the wrong terrorists!”
      - Barak, Allah will figure it out.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 19 December 2015 18: 53 New
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        From the text of the article
        In 2016, Moscow faces the prospect of exacerbating crises on two fronts at once. Putin’s task will be in both cases walk the fine line between defending Russian interests and preventing further intensification of confrontation with the West.

        We wish V.V. Putin wisdom and success in this difficult and noble work for the benefit of peaceful coexistence with the West and the prosperity of the peoples of Russia!
        1. The black
          The black 19 December 2015 19: 03 New
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          And I would wish him to be as persistent in solving internal problems as he manifests it in foreign policy .. smile
          1. cniza
            cniza 19 December 2015 19: 35 New
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            Quote: Black
            And I would wish him to be as persistent in solving internal problems as he manifests it in foreign policy .. smile


            Always someone wants to be smarter than others, live at the expense of others and command on the basis of exclusivity, Putin will break it and there is very little left.
            1. Bkmz
              Bkmz 19 December 2015 19: 48 New
              +4
              The main thing is that in the event of something "such" there would be enough eggs to give the order and press the button.
              1. anfil
                anfil 20 December 2015 11: 44 New
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                Quote: Bkmz
                The main thing is that in the event of something "such" there would be enough eggs to give the order and press the button.


                In which case, steel eggs are not needed, there is already the Perimeter "Dead Hand" system

            2. NordUral
              NordUral 19 December 2015 20: 44 New
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              I would like to believe. Otherwise, it’s very sad with this gang of gangsters in power.
              1. nogBogHuk
                nogBogHuk 19 December 2015 22: 47 New
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                And there is nothing to believe in the grabbers in power and their appetite is growing more and more to "choke" ordinary people. All taxes and inflation from their tariff increases. The youth of 30% have no work.
                Jobs do not create. Unemployment is an actual 20%.
                Moscow rides like cheese in butter, but there is no production there. Taxes are paid
                firms registered in Moscow, and production in their regions
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          3. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 19 December 2015 19: 42 New
            -15
            Quote: Black
            And I would wish him to be as persistent in solving internal problems as he manifests it in foreign policy ..

            It is precisely the persistent external problems that prevent Putin from expressing himself in domestic politics!
            1. onix757
              onix757 19 December 2015 19: 45 New
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              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              It is precisely the persistent external problems that prevent Putin from expressing himself in domestic politics!

              The problem is that foreign policy is a concentrated continuation of the domestic. It is like the two ends of one club.
            2. rom8726
              rom8726 19 December 2015 23: 08 New
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              did you mean that a stubborn foreign policy has a blurring effect on domestic "affairs"?
          4. g1v2
            g1v2 19 December 2015 20: 32 New
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            And now he seems to be more internal and is engaged. Only they are tightly tied to external factors. As Hitler blotted out the swastika, so the labeled man blotted out the word "perestroika". This is exactly what is happening now - the restructuring of the economy called "import substitution". The government had been planning this for a long time, and the process began several years ago, but was afraid, because everyone understood that the restructuring of the economy would cause a deterioration in the life of the population and a lot of problems. For example, import-related firms will be hit hard. The current crisis with the west SHOWED IT NOW OR NEVER. The first step of perestroika was the devaluation of the ruble, which had been planned since 2012, but they were afraid to carry it out, as it would cause great discontent. Now we managed to write off everything on falling oil prices and sanctions. As a result, it has become more profitable to produce in the country than to import from abroad. After all, it was cheap imports, not villains and the machinations of mattress makers, that killed our production. As a result, who was ready to localize the production in the Russian Federation takes the market, and who is not - leaves the class.
            For example. This year, in the top ten best-selling passenger cars in the Russian Federation, there are 4 Russian cars, the sales leader is LADA GRANT.
            The oil industry is getting more refining. Over the 9 months of this year, we sold crude oil for $ 60 billion, and petroleum products for more than $ 50 billion. Three ports are being built, the port infrastructure, about which GDP spoke at a press conference. Cx is growing, thanks to our retaliatory sanctions and work begun in 3. This year it grew by 2010 percent.
            Well, the most important problem and at the same time hope is the import substitution of Ukrainian products. Both military and civilian. It is planned to replace 826 types of products at VPC - this practically means that we are building a similar production in our country. Instead of Ukrainian industry, orders are placed with us. Naturally, those companies that were tied to Ukraine and depended on it suffer losses and this is much more serious than sanctions. But the result will be simple - in 10 years all Ukrainian industry will be built in the Russian Federation. There is still much to say, but enough to understand the process. What is happening in the country is comparable to the Stalin five-year plans!
            I am now training interns from Ukraine and according to their stories about what is happening in their home, I understand more and more what awaited us if not for my fellow countryman. Well, I’ll repeat to all the prowlers - the dog barks, and the caravan goes on. soldier
            1. Chebuldos
              Chebuldos 19 December 2015 21: 26 New
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              It’s not necessary to talk about billions, They sold it at 60 another for 50. These figures do not reflect on me like on many others_ neither light nor gas does it get any cheaper and the salary by the way does not increase either
            2. Askin
              Askin 19 December 2015 22: 58 New
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              Quote: g1v2
              For example. This year, in the top ten best-selling passenger cars in the Russian Federation, there are 4 Russian cars, the sales leader is LADA GRANT.

              Not everything is so sweet. The drop in TAZ sales is much higher than that of Koreans. People don’t want to pay for a bucket of nuts, almost as much as for a Korean.
              In total, 11 million vehicles were sold in 1,45 months, which is 34,5% less than in the same period of 2014.
              Following the Lada, which sold 245,6 thousand cars (-30%), there are: Hyundai - 148,6 thousand (-10%), KIA 148,3 thousand (-16%) and Renault - 108,5 thousand . (-38%)
              Among the leading models: Lada Granta - 108653 cars (-22,1%), Hyundai Solaris - 106509 (+ 1,3%) and KIA Rio - 88920 (+ 5,4%)

              For you some more information:
              In January-July 2015, the basis of Russian exports to non-CIS countries was fuel and energy products, the share of which in the commodity structure of exports to these countries was 68,5% (in January-July 2014 - 75,6%).
              Among the goods of the fuel and energy complex, the physical volumes of crude oil export increased by 8,7%, electricity - by 20,4%, oil products - by 11,7%, including: kerosene - by 36,7%, diesel fuel - by 11,4%, liquid fuels - by 13,8%.
              The share of export of machinery and equipment in January-July 2015 amounted to 5,0% (in January-July 2014 - 3,0%).
              The share of imports of food products and raw materials for their production in January-July 2015 amounted to 13,8% (in January-July 2014 - 13,6%). The value and physical volumes of food supplies decreased in comparison with January-July 2014 - by 39,0% and 24,6%, respectively.
              1. g1v2
                g1v2 19 December 2015 23: 54 New
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                Well, the numbers you have about converge with mine, but the attitude towards them is different. Oil exports will continue to grow, as if oil prices fall, to get the same money you need to sell it more. Moreover, these revenues are divided between oil workers and the budget. When prices were high, then everything above 40 dollars went to the state-woo, and the rest to the oil industry. Accordingly, if this is done now, then the state will not get anything from oil. Therefore, the distribution of income is changing, and exports are growing, because oil money is the net income that goes to infrastructure, the army and national projects. None of this is planned to be cut seriously, which means that oil remains the main chicken laying golden eggs. However, you yourself showed with your own figures that the export of oil products is growing and is stronger than the raw material - kerosene, diesel fuel, etc. That is, more oil is processed. In the amount of mineral products - oil, oil products, coal, etc., for 9 months we exported $ 171 billion. For comparison, all imports over this period are $ 137 billion. That is, only mineral products completely cover all imports.
                However, when they talk about reducing import dependence, they usually don’t understand what it is. All exports (without military), according to the Federal Customs Service for the 9 months of this year - $ 261 billion, imports - 137 billion, that is, the positive trade balance, which was mentioned by the GDP on the press just 124-125 billion dollars. This is without the VPK, which comes under a separate code and is not provided to the average person. Out of $ 261 billion - 171 is just ministry products, as I said, and $ 90 billion is the rest of the export. So the ratio of this non-oil export to import also shows the degree of independence of us from oil. Now, without oil, we can cover about 66 percent of imports (last year, as far as I remember, there were 48). If with VPK, then about 75 percent. Oil, coal, gas and oil products cover everything even at current prices. That's when the rest of the export will become more than imports, and then independence from oil revenues will come.
                There are 2 ways and both are now applied. The first is a decline in imports. The second is the increase in non-mineral exports. Sooner or later they will meet. wink The first method is our retaliatory sanctions, import substitution so far in certain areas, ruble devaluation, etc. The second is the conquest of sales markets (mainly by politics). This is Iran, and Syria, and Egypt, and attempts to break into the huge Chinese market. In general, this is a big topic and it will be revealed for a long time.
                Well, as for the standard of living of the population, personally, according to my estimates, so that officials or experts do not speak, it will become noticeably better only from 2018. The reason is simple - by this time most of the external debts of corporations, banks and the state will be paid, the World Cup will be held and, accordingly, the costs associated with it. Many infrastructure projects will be built, such as a bridge to the Crimea, a space center, fleet-based points, parts of gas pipelines, etc. The most expensive and difficult part of import substitution will also take place. In general, many expensive projects will be completed by 2018 or will become less expensive. Okay, I already wrote a lot, I think the idea is clear. hi
                1. Askin
                  Askin 20 December 2015 00: 02 New
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                  Thank you without rudeness! hi
                  and then tired URYAKalki their inappropriate behavior!
                  1. g1v2
                    g1v2 20 December 2015 02: 39 New
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                    If you have an interesting question or thesis is always ready to argue. hi Rudeness, of course, slips through me, but as a rule I restrain myself. Usually annoying or someone else's rudeness or komenty from the category - to shoot 100 people and everything in the country will get better. It doesn’t help much to Africa, and they have no shortage of executions. hi I don’t have any complacency. I clearly see that the problems are immeasurable and not the fact that everyone will be able to win. This is life and there is no way to survive on a good moment. One hundred percent way to arrange paradise in a particular country has not yet been found. Rather, there is one way - to rob some other country, but this is also not for long. I do not agree with many actions of today's government, but I understand them. Will it give an effect? Well in my opinion can not help but give. But problems will also constantly appear new. I repeat. This is a reality and anyone who promises heavenly life for nothing - a liar or a flayer who wants to take off your skin. So it remains to establish our own lives and earn our daily bread - no one will solve our problems for us. request On the whole, in my opinion, we will come out of the crisis much stronger than we entered it and certainly more independent. The second time, sanctions or a drop in hydrocarbon prices will no longer work against us.
            3. 34 region
              34 region 19 December 2015 23: 22 New
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              It is nice of course to learn about the successes of the country. But comparing the pace of housing construction in the USSR even today I see no success. So is the installation of new equipment. How intensively the equipment was imported and changed then it is not imported now. At the Soviet pace, workers were constantly required. I think with the intensive development of the economy, a lot of labor will be needed. This has not yet been observed. The bricks of the old enterprises are being dismantled and new stores are being built.
              1. Sir1966
                Sir1966 20 December 2015 08: 42 New
                +1
                I was not specifically interested in the pace of housing construction, but as far as I know, our Perm market, quite a few new houses are introduced annually. Apartments are sold far from immediately. It’s clear that the price ... But there are plenty of offers on the housing market.
                And about the new equipment - over the past 2 years, we have built our LUKoilPNOS power unit, isomerization unit and a new delayed coking unit
                1. Alf
                  Alf 20 December 2015 23: 16 New
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                  Quote: Sir1966
                  I was not specifically interested in the pace of housing construction, but as far as I know, our Perm market, quite a few new houses are introduced annually. Apartments are sold far from immediately. It’s clear that the price ... But there are plenty of offers on the housing market.

                  Completely, but in Soviet times, apartments were issued, firstly, free of charge, and, secondly, they were distributed to everyone who needed them. Yes, not everyone managed to move into new apartments, but it was. And now apartments, firstly, only for money, and, secondly, only for those who can buy them. And the needy, who do not have "honestly earned" millions, will continue to live in dilapidated housing.
                  And about the new equipment - over the past 2 years, we have built our LUKoilPNOS power unit, isomerization unit and a new delayed coking unit

                  The thing is that the well-being of only individual people suffers from the availability of new technology in oil and gas production. And the presence or absence of new machines and factories in general does not bother these "individual" ones at all.
            4. Grabberxnumx
              Grabberxnumx 20 December 2015 00: 12 New
              +1
              I support you, dear g1v2! The findings described by you are confirmed by the data of the FCS and other services, not only special
          5. atalef
            atalef 19 December 2015 21: 13 New
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            Quote: Black
            And I would wish him to be as persistent in solving internal problems as he manifests it in foreign policy ..

            Is everything OK in foreign policy?
            Ukraine - lost
            Relations with the West - a problem
            America is a problem
            Syria is just a problem
            Relations in the vehicle -? who will call them cloudless
            China - ????
            Call me allies of Russia? (Well, of course, except the Army and Navy)
            This is the question of foreign policy.
            The success of foreign policy is not the ability to show everyone a goat.
            This is the ability to achieve their goals - without a videoconferencing system, these are allies, these are political blocs and alliances.
            Who will say that in Russia all this has been added during the time of GDP?
            So what kind of successful foreign policy can we talk about?
            1. Russiamoy
              Russiamoy 19 December 2015 21: 44 New
              +2
              something that is said here is clear to most of those present. but it seems to me that you always savor directly. and I don’t agree with the ending of your opus; we have never had allies, not before the GDP.
              1. S_last
                S_last 19 December 2015 22: 20 New
                +7
                your lie, World War 2, the USSR fought in it, having allies 2 of its original enemies, and how it was possible for Stalin personally remained a secret for me.
                After the war, there were also allies, for example, the GDR, Cuba, we surrendered them, but this is a different story.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 19 December 2015 22: 49 New
                  +6
                  Quote: S_last
                  having allies 2 of their original enemies,

                  Not "allies", but rather "fellow travelers".
                  1. S_last
                    S_last 19 December 2015 23: 37 New
                    +5
                    All unions are temporary, even marital. But the fact remains that at the time necessary for the USSR he had his worst doctors in the allies. It's just that this stamp about the lack of allies is ridiculous. Someone blurted it out, on Facebook or on Twitter, and everyone would repeat without hesitation.
                    North War. 1700-1721.
                    Allies of Russia, Denmark, Saxony, Commonwealth.

                    The war for the Polish inheritance. 1733 - 1735.
                    Allies of Russia, August III Saxon Holy Roman Empire of the German nation (Austria).

                    Russian-Turkish war. 1735-1739.
                    Ally of Russia, Austria.

                    The seven year war. 1756-1762.
                    Allies of Russia, Austria, France, Spain, Sweden, Saxony.

                    Russian-French war. 1798-1799.
                    Allies of Russia, England, Austria

                    In general, the Russian leadership as a rule did not suffer from stupidity, and without allies tried not to get involved in a showdown.
                  2. 34 region
                    34 region 19 December 2015 23: 52 New
                    +3
                    Allies, fellow travelers, leeches. Partners today. By partnership, they imposed sanctions on such a plane; they shot down the plane.
              2. atalef
                atalef 20 December 2015 00: 00 New
                +5
                Quote: Russiamoya
                something that is said here is clear to most of those present. but it seems to me that you always savor directly. and I don’t agree with the ending of your opus; we have never had allies, not before the GDP.

                relish? I'm sorry
                Well, as for the allies, there were allies, they lost them.
                Tell me, does America have allies?
            2. Pirogov
              Pirogov 19 December 2015 22: 11 New
              +1
              And what did Russia once have allies? Or did you remember the times of the USSR and the fraternal ,,,, ZIMBABWE ,,,,,
            3. kursk87
              kursk87 19 December 2015 22: 32 New
              +6
              "Russia has no friends, everyone is afraid of our vastness" - Alexander 3
            4. DobryAAH
              DobryAAH 19 December 2015 22: 47 New
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              In general, well done Putin, my support is 100%. No Ukraine is lost, Syria is not lost, everything was created for us in the West, we sneezed on our allies. In 10 years, Israel will become the first to fill our allies. The whole world will turn to Russia, wait a bit.
              1. atalef
                atalef 19 December 2015 23: 11 New
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                Quote: Good AAAH
                In general, well done Putin, my support is 100%. No Ukraine is lost, Syria is not lost, everything was created for us in the West, we sneezed on our allies. In 10 years, Israel will become the first to fill our allies. The whole world will turn to Russia, wait a bit.

                God grant
                1. IS-80
                  IS-80 19 December 2015 23: 37 New
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  God grant

                  And Jewish comrades envy us. fellow
                  1. PHANTOM-AS
                    PHANTOM-AS 19 December 2015 23: 42 New
                    +9
                    Quote: IS-80
                    And Jewish comrades envy us.

                    We ourselves envy 30 years ago.
                  2. DobryAAH
                    DobryAAH 19 December 2015 23: 49 New
                    -2
                    And Jewish comrades envy us.
                    They conduct subversive work on the forum in the minds of members of the forum. And nostalgic for their homeland.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 19 December 2015 23: 53 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Good AAAH
                      And Jewish comrades envy us.
                      They conduct subversive work on the forum in the minds of members of the forum. And nostalgic for their homeland.

                      Little Motherland wassat
                      Judging by the fact that you wrote the word Rodina with a small letter
                      1. DobryAAH
                        DobryAAH 20 December 2015 01: 14 New
                        +1
                        https://otvet.mail.ru/question/65616624
                        Used here in the context of the place of birth, therefore with a lowercase letter.
                  3. atalef
                    atalef 19 December 2015 23: 50 New
                    +8
                    Quote: IS-80
                    Quote: atalef
                    God grant

                    And Jewish comrades envy us. fellow

                    Often, if medical treatment of a patient is futile, the only thing that can help is to reassure
                    1. IS-80
                      IS-80 20 December 2015 00: 09 New
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                      Quote: atalef
                      Often, if medical treatment of a patient is futile, the only thing that can help is to reassure

                      Something you are somehow mysterious. I did not understand, not only not everything, but I did not understand much at all. laughing
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 20 December 2015 00: 13 New
                        0
                        Quote: IS-80
                        Quote: atalef
                        Often, if medical treatment of a patient is futile, the only thing that can help is to reassure

                        Something you are somehow mysterious. I did not understand, not only not everything, but I did not understand much at all. laughing

                        Well, think
                        Quote: atalef
                        Quote: Good AAAH
                        In general, well done Putin, my support is 100%. No Ukraine is lost, Syria is not lost, everything was created for us in the West, we sneezed on our allies. In 10 years, Israel will become the first to fill our allies. The whole world will turn to Russia, wait a bit.

                        God grant
                      2. IS-80
                        IS-80 20 December 2015 00: 34 New
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                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, think

                        What about Ukraine and Syria? Well, let's see what happens next. This has happened to Ukraine more than once. And nothing passed over time. As for Syria, it’s more difficult, but most of the regions may be gone. By the way, I have a forecast for the future of Israel do you want to tell?
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 20 December 2015 00: 44 New
                        +2
                        Quote: IS-80
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, think

                        What about Ukraine and Syria? Well, let's see what happens next. This has happened to Ukraine more than once. And nothing passed over time. As for Syria, it’s more difficult, but most of the regions may be gone. By the way, I have a forecast for the future of Israel do you want to tell?

                        Yes, it’s difficult for you with allegories, but oh well, you and the world
                      4. IS-80
                        IS-80 20 December 2015 00: 52 New
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                        Quote: atalef
                        Yes, it’s difficult for you with allegories, but oh well, you and the world

                        It’s just that you got an allegory that was clear to you and not clear to me. It happens. It is sometimes difficult to convey a thought in words so that you are understood. And if there are allegories, then there is generally a full semantic guard. But this is doubly excusable to you. You have been living in Israel for quite some time. smile
      2. Extraneous
        Extraneous 19 December 2015 22: 54 New
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        Practice shows: Do not hit the face - they will not be afraid. They will not be afraid - they will not listen. They will not listen - they will hit in the face and rob.
        So it was until the first attempt to bite off Russia with the help of Saakashvili.
        When they began to beat in the face - then they just decided that we need to be careful. When they drove into Syria - they began to listen. Now they will start talking.
        There is no other way. Who has power - he has, in all respects, and the right.
        1. DobryAAH
          DobryAAH 19 December 2015 23: 39 New
          0
          Be sure to embed in Ukraine and Georgia, if the West continues to poke its filthy mug there. I advise them to get rid of their projects back home, for them it will be better, but they will not do it.
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      3. vovanpain
        vovanpain 19 December 2015 22: 59 New
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        Quote: atalef
        Ukraine - lost

        Back in 1991.
        Quote: atalef
        Relations with the West - a problem
        America is a problem

        There are no such friends, no enemies. 90s and Ukraine are the same before our eyes.
        Quote: atalef
        Syria is just a problem

        The problem, but it’s being solved, and the coalitions got divorced, do not push around, we are the only ones by invitation, not the hegemons, and you weren’t invited there (no offense), but we agreed.
        Quote: atalef
        Relations in the vehicle -? who will call them cloudless
        China - ????

        Here I agree with you, everyone bargains for his own.
        Quote: atalef
        Call me allies of Russia? (Well, of course, except the Army and Navy)

        You yourself answered your own question.
        Quote: atalef
        The success of foreign policy is not the ability to show everyone a goat.
        This is the ability to achieve their goals - without a videoconferencing system, these are allies, these are political blocs and alliances.

        Well, yes, yes, CSTO, SCO, although not cloudy, but NATO and the EU are heterogeneous.
        Quote: atalef
        So what kind of successful foreign policy can we talk about?

        Successful probably like an drunk Friend Bill, Boris Vassal. Best regards hi
      4. 34 region
        34 region 19 December 2015 23: 48 New
        +6
        Atalef! There is nothing to argue. They retreated having surrendered Ukraine. Although they themselves did not want to butt. Nobody went for the DNI and LC. Thanks to Gorbachev for relations with the West. I invited Danians with free cheese. Yes, and we bought a chewing gum and agreed to be homeless. And who respects the homeless? Syria? Will we leave Syria and will it be better? There is an example of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya. And then these hungry hordes will trample to Europe and to us. China? If we possess nuclear weapons we even buy hammers from them. We ourselves are jarred by such an abomination. Everyone wants a powerful economy in their country. But in our manual, apparently, more children are sitting playing in adult uncles. The presence of a bank safe and an expensive ceiling dream clock. What kind of policies can one talk about with such requests?
      5. komel
        komel 20 December 2015 00: 00 New
        +4
        Russia is open and ready to work with Europe in the economy and politics, as well as in the fight against terrorism. GDP.

        In Ukraine, the government came under the flag of the United States and they are now trying to lead them. In the Russian Federation, they continue to trade with them and look at how they are doing. Discounts will be canceled from January 1, but how do you like?

        In Syria, Russia has well demonstrated its air forces and navy. On earth, the result was expected from Assad.

        In the United States, they understand the position of the Russian Federation which exerts efforts, including the c400. Keri came to Moscow to agree.

        China is ready to buy weapons, gas and oil. In Russia, they are ready to sell weapons to China as allies, if they do not copy.

        Countries have no allies, they have interests. The Russian Federation defends them thanks to the Russian Foreign Ministry and politicians of the government and the president. The people support the reunification of the Russian Federation with Crimea, the fight against terrorists in Syria, despite the cooling off. For many, Yeltsin is a traitor, and the actions of GDP are manna from heaven, including due to a balanced policy in Ukraine, when many directly advised to go to Kiev and further.

        This is bad for the United States with foreign policy, despite the new allies that need to be fed and who arrange a circus in the parliament for places to the feeder. In Israel, too, they are not flattering about Obama, they think the new leadership will be better.
      6. fif21
        fif21 20 December 2015 00: 57 New
        -2
        Quote: atalef
        Call me allies of Russia?
        CSTO, BRICS, SCO - enough?
        Quote: atalef
        Ukraine - lost

        Acquired Crimea and Donbass are still in question!
        Quote: atalef
        Relations with the West - America Problem - Problem

        This is a problem of the West and America. Russia will fully join China and their problems will increase by an order of magnitude. NATO eastward expansion, sanctions, liver for Ukraine or the EU or Russia! The West dug a hole for itself. War is on the nose, and you all learn how to lick the Americans.
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      8. Shark Lover
        Shark Lover 20 December 2015 03: 35 New
        +1
        What are the allies of Israel. Not sponsors, but allies.
      9. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 20 December 2015 09: 07 New
        +2
        And when did Russia have it differently? With EBN, or what? Well, yes, there were a bunch of gum friends. Help was sent to us laughing What you call problems, I call honest relationships. Enemies and crooks are all around, and in another way for Russia, there never was and never will be. "Your Gazprom is too big" and "Siberia is the property of the international community", nothing new. Ukraine is lost? So pick up quickly, great ally! And do not forget to invite the Azov battalion to Tel Aviv for joint exercises laughing
        In general, it is interesting to listen to teachings from Israel on how to be friends with neighbors. laughing It is better not to have any allies at all than traitors, crooks and prostitutes. And your politicians understand this well. A good example by the way ...
    2. Nick
      Nick 19 December 2015 21: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Black
      And I would wish him to be as persistent in solving internal problems as he manifests it in foreign policy .. smile

      He participates very closely in the process, but the immediate responsibility in solving internal economic and social problems still lies with the chairman of the Council of Ministers.
    3. AKMA
      AKMA 19 December 2015 23: 19 New
      +1
      ++++ the site does not allow doing pluses, I put it like this
  2. ALX
    ALX 19 December 2015 19: 34 New
    0
    Looks like Vladimir Vladimirovich decided to use the "Pope of All Bombs". Not all means are still involved, there are many more surprises))
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  4. Oleg16661
    Oleg16661 19 December 2015 20: 02 New
    +8
    When I listen to this song, I always imagine in the place of Chairman Putin and that this is an appeal to him
  • Genur
    Genur 19 December 2015 18: 32 New
    40
    Many, many years ago we studied the HISTORY of the PARTY. Remember the words of V.I. Lenin that only backward countries trade in raw materials?
    What has changed over 100 years?
    It didn’t get any better, we also continue to drive round timber, oil, trawlers with unprocessed seafood abroad.
    The sale of state-owned enterprises continues, less and less, therefore, the responsibility of the government to strengthen the state. Oligarchs are getting fat.
    It's a shame!
    1. The black
      The black 19 December 2015 18: 45 New
      +5
      Genur. You are probably not a young man, since in your words you feel nostalgia for the USSR, but you must admit, if the USSR were a truly strong state, it would not have collapsed. So something was wrong ..... I have thoughts on this account, but this is a completely different topic.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 December 2015 19: 03 New
        12
        Quote: Black
        enur. You are probably not a young man, since in your words you feel nostalgia for the USSR

        I am now over forty, I also feel nostalgia for the USSR. Young too, huh? laughing
        1. The black
          The black 19 December 2015 19: 11 New
          +2
          Well, it depends on how much for forty ... wink
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 19 December 2015 19: 41 New
            10
            The black
            if the USSR were a truly strong state-it would not collapse. So something was wrong .....
            Firstly, the Western special services never left without special attention the personnel policy and the personnel themselves in the Communist Party of the USSR. They, with high-ranking traitors at the top of the USSR, worked wonderfully for the 1991 year! One ideological degenerate Gorbachev in power is worth what! Not to mention the many other former party leaders in the former Soviet republics.
            I have thoughts on this subject, but this is a completely different topic.
            And secondly, on this "completely different" topic is very important and you need to talk! And it’s good that this topic excites you.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 19 December 2015 22: 23 New
              +6
              Quote: Tatiana
              Firstly, the Western special services never left without special attention the personnel policy and the personnel themselves in the Communist Party of the USSR. They, with high-ranking traitors at the top of the USSR, did an excellent job by 1991! One ideological degenerate Gorbachev in power is worth what!

              Something like this....
              After Hunchback came to power, a book with his biography was published in the USA 15 days later! This record-breaking speed of preparation of the book suggests that it has already been completed and prepared for circulation - the mattresses knew that their agent of influence was entering the business.
          2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 December 2015 20: 33 New
            +3
            Nuuu, caught :))) 41 only in February will be :)))
        2. cniza
          cniza 19 December 2015 19: 37 New
          +2
          And what do you remember about the USSR? Very interesting.
        3. Grabberxnumx
          Grabberxnumx 20 December 2015 00: 22 New
          +2
          I apologize for hitting for the age, but it’s not an age affair; many born develop in the brain only until 15 of the summer age. There is NO ONE university in the world to recruit a fool, and diplomas awarded smart. Literate, in the peak case.
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      3. onix757
        onix757 19 December 2015 19: 57 New
        14
        The USSR was a truly strong state - it would not collapse

        From this point of view, the Russian Federation is 10 times weaker. There is not a single direction in which Russia could compete with the USSR. I repeat, the Union has become a superpower despite the sanctions of 70 years, capitalist Russia is weakening from crisis to crisis.
        1. Chak
          Chak 20 December 2015 01: 51 New
          +4
          Absolutely right! The country was in a hostile ring, in conditions a thousand times worse than now. The emphasis was primarily on one's own strengths. The fundamental difference is that the money from production went into the pocket of the state, then it was redistributed by it according to needs, and now the money is deposited with the tycoons of "businessmen / oligarchs", they are withdrawn from Russia, crumbs reach the treasury, and even they steal. The country is a continuous bazaar, production is extremely small. Russia needs new industrialization!
      4. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 19 December 2015 20: 31 New
        +7
        The thing is that everyone envies us. Naturally, most of all are "exceptional". I don’t remember who. But wasn't Clintons saying: "It is unacceptable that such natural resources as: minerals, land, forests, water resources, etc., etc. belong to one Russia. Should we share?" I mean that at the moment this notorious ISIS would not appear on our borders: Afghan - Central Asia, Turkey - North Caucasus. Moreover, we have already had enough in the North Caucasus. And Ukraine is not sugar.

        But, I absolutely agree with you that (your words) "... we will have a crisis until we establish domestic production, agriculture, tourism, etc.

        Sincerely, E.P.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 19 December 2015 22: 38 New
          +5
          Quote: evge-malyshev
          I don’t remember who. But wasn't Clintons saying: "It is unacceptable that such natural resources as: minerals, land, forests, water resources, etc., etc. belong to one Russia. Should we share?"

          Madeleine Albright said this, referring to Siberia, although, given the "sworn love" of the United States for Russia, it does not matter who voiced what is actually maturing in the minds of American politicians.
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      6. NordUral
        NordUral 19 December 2015 20: 46 New
        +2
        Traitors in power will destroy everything. Especially with such painstaking work to decompose the system and the people. Since the 60s it went.
      7. dauria
        dauria 19 December 2015 20: 55 New
        +5
        but you must admit, if the USSR were a truly powerful state, it would not collapse


        I agree ... smile If the Bismarck were a good ship, it would not have been drowned. If France were a weak country, she would not have won the Second World War. Amazing logic. You can continue. If people were really healthy, they would not get the flu. wink
        1. Alf
          Alf 19 December 2015 21: 13 New
          +9
          Quote: dauria
          If France were a weak country, it would not have won the Second World War.

          When on May 9, 1945, Keitel, as the supreme commander in chief, signed an act on an unconditional situation, he saw among the representatives of the victorious countries of the Frenchman and, with irony, asked, “Did these also defeat us?”
          Who was de Gaulle by the 45th year? By all laws, he was a deserter, and according to political laws, he did not provide anyone and not the state of France by any means. Let me remind you that after the defeat of France in 1940, the Petain government was formed, and the parliament (National Assembly) moved to Vichy, having all power and being a LEGALLY elected authority. It’s just that de Gaulle came to the winners on time.
        2. Grabberxnumx
          Grabberxnumx 20 December 2015 00: 34 New
          +1
          I hasten to upset you. Russia will never (I emphasize) be like America, Germany, Switzerland or China. NEVER! It's time to be ourselves, Russian. And do as we need, and not as in the above. If it is not clear, they explain that in the Russian Federation they live not the Americans, Germans or Chinese, but the Russian people.
          1. kapitan92
            kapitan92 20 December 2015 23: 59 New
            +4
            I agree to all 100%. We do not need to be like America, etc., but why not adopt the best from these countries: in the organization of labor, in respect for people, in the ability to invest money, and not to plunder. There is much to adopt, but only that which will allow our people to live, and not exist and constantly fight for something, and our factories to produce competitive products.
            Living example China !!!
        3. yuriy55
          yuriy55 20 December 2015 03: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: dauria
          but you must admit, if the USSR were a truly powerful state, it would not collapse


          I agree ... smile If the Bismarck were a good ship, it would not have been drowned. If France were a weak country, she would not have won the Second World War. Amazing logic. You can continue. If people were really healthy, they would not get the flu. wink


          And I will support your thought with my own:
          Correctly say, who did not fall, he did not rise. The USSR gathered many allies, who only did what they "waited to be fed." But it's not that. Any healthy organism will recover from an illness (this is about Russia) if you take the right medicines and follow the regimen. While we are being stuffed with no one knows what in beautiful packages, and with the established attitude to the means of production and the distribution of income from the sale of resources, there can be no talk of any regime ...
          request
      8. Simon
        Simon 19 December 2015 21: 06 New
        +9
        The USSR was a really strong state, and Gorbachev made it weak. He signed an agreement that was not beneficial for the Union with the Americans, in which we disarmed so that the Americans clapped their hands and gave him the Nobel Peace Prize for this, and then Yeltsin finalized the economy in the nineties so that we still reap the benefits. Putin got the hardest part - to restore all this and save Russia!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 19 December 2015 23: 19 New
          +7
          Unfortunately, we also clapped our hands, I even have a souvenir: "Treaty on the elimination of the INF Treaty." They wanted to ease the tension, but I couldn't get it.
      9. revnagan
        revnagan 19 December 2015 21: 33 New
        +9
        Quote: Black
        if the USSR were a truly strong state-it would not collapse.

        And he did not collapse. He was DESTROYED. Purposefully. Four villains. And the people were simply deceived. If the people of the USSR THEN knew what we know now ...
        1. 34 region
          34 region 20 December 2015 00: 04 New
          +2
          People already guessed and called Gorbachev a traitor. Tagged bear. Do you remember?
        2. Just BB
          Just BB 20 December 2015 05: 13 New
          0
          Let me disagree with you - the "four villains" have just completed what Khrushchev had begun.
          Frightened that for his "art" in the 30s he could get - during the day he destroyed the country's path from semi-literate Russia in bast shoes to an enlightened State with nuclear energy and space flights
      10. 34 region
        34 region 19 December 2015 23: 57 New
        +2
        And how many fortresses were given! Were the fortresses bad? The right people were in the right place. The weakest place in the fortress is people. It is also the strongest place. We did it as it happened.
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    3. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta 19 December 2015 19: 06 New
      +7
      Genur: It's a shame!
      And how frustrating our Prime Minister is ...
    4. mark2
      mark2 19 December 2015 19: 15 New
      18
      Well, they stopped reading Lenin a long time ago. Therefore, the country also trades in raw materials, and the opposition here cannot wage a rightful struggle for power, and the working class is not fighting for its rights.
      But then we all read the Internet. To this end, he was invented so that the masses of people would sit, twisting fingers with a polovchik, post and tweeters and not even think to stop serious people from making money.
      1. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 19 December 2015 22: 58 New
        -5
        So according to the thoughts of the 100% Department of State. The struggle of the opposition, criticism for the sale of raw materials, the struggle of the working class for their rights. Already, the Russians were caught for mercantile purposes for dividing property with the help of a riot and a coup in 17, they were flooded. Who plus, that, apparently, still wants a blood or is mistaken?
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      3. yuriy55
        yuriy55 20 December 2015 03: 18 New
        0
        Quote: mark2
        Well, they stopped reading Lenin a long time ago. Therefore, the country also sells raw materials and the opposition here cannot wage a rightful struggle for power and the working class is not fighting for its rights.
        But then we all read the Internet. To this end, he was invented so that the masses of people would sit, twisting fingers with a polovchik, post and tweeters and not even think to stop serious people from making money.


        Our oligarchs smashed the working class, reducing the number of industries and dividing the teams into workers and engineers. A country of traders, managers and realtors ...
      4. Just BB
        Just BB 20 December 2015 06: 06 New
        0
        This is just in vain! And the grandfather of Karl and his friend Frederick were completely forgotten.
        And they just warned - the victory of the working class in a separate country is impossible - because the world bourgeoisie will try in every possible way to destroy the "bad example"
    5. mark2
      mark2 19 December 2015 19: 16 New
      +3
      oops! Did I get a residence permit in the USA? And why didn’t they report?)))
      1. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 19 December 2015 20: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: mark2
        oops! Did I get a residence permit in the USA? And why didn’t they report?)))


        Don't you understand? AI YAI!
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      3. Mera joota
        Mera joota 19 December 2015 20: 42 New
        0
        Quote: mark2
        oops! Did I get a residence permit in the USA? And why didn’t they report?)))

        Write from iPhone or iPad ..
    6. S_last
      S_last 19 December 2015 22: 36 New
      +2
      Now it’s not fashionable to read those books and those authors. And whoever reads, for the most part, how they can’t correlate what is written with Russian capitalism. In general, the idea of ​​"patriots" about a "state" ruled in the state, popular interests is only a Soviet habit.
  • Gorynovich
    Gorynovich 19 December 2015 18: 36 New
    +7
    Quote: Black
    He said, I say and I will say that we will have a crisis until we establish domestic production, agriculture, tourism, etc.

    It is not easy to do this. For a variety of reasons.
    I do not act as a lawyer for the current government, nor do I as a prosecutor — I only state a medical fact: it’s really difficult.
    1. The black
      The black 19 December 2015 18: 41 New
      +9
      It is clear that it is not easy, but it is necessary to do it MANDATORY !!! By the way, in this sense, Western sanctions have a plus in falling oil prices, too. If Russia holds out (and this is not possible without the establishment of production), it will become much stronger.
      1. Gorynovich
        Gorynovich 19 December 2015 19: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Black
        It is clear that it is not easy, but it is necessary to do it MANDATORY !!!

        For this, the total mass of objective premises is not enough. Unfortunately.
        IMHO
        Quote: Black
        By the way, in this sense, Western sanctions have a plus in falling oil prices, too.

        I definitely agree!
        Quote: Black
        If Russia holds out (and this is not possible without the establishment of production), it will become much stronger.

        Of course. "Everything that does not kill us makes us stronger" (c)
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 19 December 2015 18: 48 New
    +4
    Yes, the situation in the economy is not simple.
    Of course, the economy was focused on oil and gas revenues. After all, the assurances assured, look, there is Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, Kuwait. And how do they live? Well, what are you worse?
    And you will heal, obey us. But ... what is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to the bear. And a ship like Russia to deploy requires more time. The other shore is needed. And horses, as you know at the crossing, do not change. But there are exceptions. Maybe it's still worth a try?
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 19 December 2015 19: 17 New
      +5
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      And horses, as you know at the crossing, do not change

      They shoot :-)
    2. Pomeranian
      Pomeranian 19 December 2015 20: 08 New
      +7
      Yes, and non-replaceable horses got stuck in the middle of the river. Either change, or shoot.
    3. MrK
      MrK 19 December 2015 22: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      And horses, as you know at the crossing, do not change. But there are exceptions.

      There are. At the crossing they change donkeys.
    4. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 19 December 2015 23: 08 New
      0
      Yes, the situation in the economy is not simple.
      Of course, the economy was focused on oil and gas revenues.

      Wait a moment, any Tybloki will soon be wrapped up in the USA, then let's look at our situation. Can there be such a capitalization of Facebook? When all this is screwed up, then the people will see that bread and heat are much more important, you can live without a smartphone, and you don’t want to freeze all winter long. When will it be? As they approach, all kinds of provocations against us and the Chinese will begin. It's hard to part with a dream.
    5. 34 region
      34 region 20 December 2015 00: 13 New
      +1
      But the Union Gorbachev quickly deployed! And the horses changed immeasurably!
      1. Extraneous
        Extraneous 20 December 2015 00: 51 New
        +5
        Collapse - do not build. The fact that twenty-five years have broken apart needs to be restored fifty, if without extreme. It is possible to restore quickly only by introducing a rigid dictatorship and voluntary-compulsory shock construction projects, as Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili did. But he had no other choice and there was no alternative. Putin is trying to do everything without extreme. I just doubt that without the dictator’s arrival, something will work out. Putin is preparing power support for the future dictator. If there is no dictatorship, Russia will inevitably be devoured.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 20 December 2015 00: 57 New
          +4
          Quote: Stranger
          Collapse - do not build. The fact that twenty-five years have broken apart needs to be restored fifty,

          Is it really popular for the people to return this for a long time?
          Quote: Stranger
          Putin is trying to do everything without extreme.

          Is he really trying? request
          Quote: Stranger
          If there is no dictatorship, Russia will inevitably be devoured.

          Yeah, without the dictatorship of the proletariat they will surely be devoured.
          1. Extraneous
            Extraneous 20 December 2015 01: 19 New
            0
            If it seems to you that something ever belonged to the people, then you suffer from youthful idealism.
            If it seems to you that the times of Yeltsin and present times are no different, then you do not want to see the difference.
            The dictatorship of the proletariat is now on the outskirts. Nobody will gobble up the outskirts: o)
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 20 December 2015 04: 34 New
              +1
              Quote: Stranger
              The dictatorship of the proletariat is now on the outskirts

              laughed ..
  • Alf
    Alf 19 December 2015 18: 51 New
    11
    Quote: Black
    He said, I say, and I will say - we will have a crisis as long as

    We will have a crisis until we change the social system in the state.
    1. The black
      The black 19 December 2015 18: 54 New
      +2
      And what should be "social order" ?
      1. Alf
        Alf 19 December 2015 19: 12 New
        +9
        Quote: Black
        And what should be the "social system"?

        Socialism.
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 19 December 2015 19: 18 New
          -10
          Quote: Alf
          Socialism.

          Socialist liberalism :-)
          1. Alf
            Alf 19 December 2015 19: 33 New
            +2
            Quote: sa-ag
            Socialist liberalism :-)

            Decrypt, please, what is it?
        2. Roman 25
          Roman 25 19 December 2015 19: 33 New
          +3
          Wow! Apparently in the USSR we lived without oil (gas) dollars! And the collapse occurred not because of the economy, in which there was an "ideal", but so the people decided ...
          And give examples of developed and prosperous socialism (without impurities)?
          I also have nostalgia for the USSR, although I’m a little over 30. But this is nostalgia for childhood, when the sky is bluer, the grass is greener, etc.
          I think then people were more confident in the future and the distant future (pensions, etc.), and it impresses me very much! But I am infuriated with the general leveling when the one who plows more has only a bigger bonus (and even then not always), and everything else is the same (well, I didn’t get a ticket - and to hell with it), but the apartment and the car are the same and how the turn comes. By the way, these ideas still live very densely in the minds of many (in terms of the fact that everyone should be equal).
          Only now who is in the Aligarh, in power ??? Are not those who were in power in the USSR or their children and close associates (including the crime of which there is no type of socialism)? IMHO!
        3. DobryAAH
          DobryAAH 19 December 2015 23: 20 New
          0
          Socialism.

          There will be no socialism. But the elements of state capitalism with a constant, steady increase in the competition of producers of goods and services - yes, it is very necessary, this is the success. Remove all parasite add-ons, where possible, for example, in the financial sector, send them to retrain in the service and production sectors.
      2. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 19 December 2015 20: 07 New
        +2
        The name of the system does not mean anything - the results are important.
        1. MrK
          MrK 19 December 2015 23: 07 New
          +8
          Dear Roman 25. You are all right. At 1960, the boy almost crushed me in an ordinary crush for ordinary brown bread. And on the radio we were told that we were about to overtake the United States in meat and milk.
          But there is one thing. All this disgrace began with Khrushchev’s ... We remember those times. And after the 1960 year, the inhabitants of the USSR quietly found themselves in a completely different country and after some time forgot how they lived before. Because starting with Khrushchev’s womb, we did not live under socialism, but under egalitarian communism. Hence the leveling.

          It is in this new country that all those negative features have appeared that are considered organically inherent in the socialist system.
          It was this PSEUDOSOCIALIST country, completely unlike the former Soviet Union, that collapsed under the weight of the accumulated problems in the 1991 year, and Gorbachev only accelerated this process, acting in the style of Khrushchev.
          In fact, it was not socialism that lost to capitalism - but the EQUAL Khrushchev-Brezhnevsky Communism! But real, real socialism is so genuinely entrepreneurial and tough-competitive - that the vaunted capitalist competition is no good for him!
          For the hundredth time I’m saying: read the book “Cursed Soviet Power” by Alexander Kurlyandchik and the reforms in Russia by Prose. RU. There everything is explained in simple language and with numbers. respectfully
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    2. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 19 December 2015 19: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Alf
      Quote: Black
      He said, I say, and I will say - we will have a crisis as long as

      We will have a crisis until we change the social system in the state.



      Do not wake famously while sleeping quietly.
      1. Alf
        Alf 19 December 2015 19: 13 New
        +4
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        Do not wake famously while sleeping quietly.

        And until you wake up until it’s completely worthless?
        1. mark2
          mark2 19 December 2015 19: 27 New
          +6
          And until you wake up until it’s completely worthless?


          Of course, it is precisely when the time is unbearable that the population begins to make attempts to at least change something.

          So far, not everything is unbearable, but according to Putin's "optimistic" answers, we are moving in the right direction.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 20 December 2015 00: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: mark2
            but according to Putin's "optimistic" answers, we are moving in the right direction.

            We’ll come soon.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 December 2015 19: 41 New
      -4
      In 2020, we’ll definitely get out of the crisis, but you can forget about socialism - this dream is unrealizable.
      1. Pomeranian
        Pomeranian 19 December 2015 20: 10 New
        +3
        How many will live to 2020 year.
      2. Alf
        Alf 19 December 2015 21: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        In 2020, we’ll definitely get out of the crisis,

        How is it known? GDP said?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 December 2015 21: 42 New
          -2
          They climbed out of the past crisis for 4 years — we will also climb out of this for 4 years.
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          2. Alf
            Alf 19 December 2015 22: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            They climbed out of the past crisis for 4 years — we will also climb out of this for 4 years.

            Primakov and Gerashchenko were in the past crisis, and now there are Ulyukaev and Nabiullina. With this sweet couple we will get out for a long time.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 20 December 2015 10: 58 New
              0
              Do not forget that in 2018 the election of a new president, State Duma and government.
          3. DobryAAH
            DobryAAH 19 December 2015 23: 31 New
            0
            And a long creep out of the crisis is normal. Now there is a treatment procedure out of sanctions and a drop in oil and gas revenues.
      3. Simon
        Simon 19 December 2015 21: 14 New
        +3
        Although socialism is a thing of the past, memories of it are good! yes
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 19 December 2015 19: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: Black
    I said, I say and I will say that we will have a crisis until we establish domestic production, agriculture, tourism, etc. If the state’s internal economic policy is correct, they don’t give a damn about world prices for oil and gas. Until a fig of developed countries they live without their LOBs. And live well, having a very powerful economy.

    I agree to all 100. Not much remains. Good work gos. Thoughts
    1. Alf
      Alf 19 December 2015 19: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: Sterlya
      I agree to all 100. Not much remains. Good work gos. Thoughts

      What thoughts? Assigned to them? So we see the results outside the window.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 December 2015 19: 43 New
        +1
        And what are these results outside the window?
        1. Mera joota
          Mera joota 19 December 2015 20: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          And what are these results outside the window?

          Destruction and chaos of officials.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 19 December 2015 21: 43 New
            -3
            I didn’t see the devastation - things are going fine.
        2. Simon
          Simon 19 December 2015 21: 19 New
          +4
          So outside the window, then snow, then rain, then cars - do not pass, do not drive! laughing
      2. vovanpain
        vovanpain 19 December 2015 20: 32 New
        +9
        Quote: Alf
        Assigned to them

        Vasily, didn’t you go to the polls and didn’t vote?
        1. Alf
          Alf 19 December 2015 21: 16 New
          +6
          Quote: vovanpain
          Vasily, didn’t you go to the polls and didn’t vote?

          Voted. For the communists. This is not to say that I really like Zyuganov and the mess that he made in the party, but in reality, this is the only party in the country that opposes capitalism in the form of EP and SR.
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 19 December 2015 21: 27 New
            +9
            Quote: Alf
            Voted. For the communists

            hi So I voted for the Communists and I agree with you about Zyuganov, only from your answer I did not understand how Putin could appoint a Duma? After all, the elections to the Duma were in 2011 in December and the presidential in 2012 in March. I apologize if I offended you the answers. hi
            1. Alf
              Alf 19 December 2015 21: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: vovanpain
              . I apologize if I offended you with my answers.

              No offense, on the contrary, it’s nice to communicate with an intelligent person, and not with walking slogans-plus-dialers.
              Quote: vovanpain
              I don’t understand how Putin could appoint a Duma? After all, the Duma elections were in 2011 in December, and the presidential in 2012 in March.

              And in the first term?
              1. vovanpain
                vovanpain 19 December 2015 21: 49 New
                +8
                Quote: Alf
                It’s nice to communicate with an intelligent person, and not with walking slogans-plus-dialers.

                Mutually drinks
                Quote: Alf
                And in the first term?

                So in the first term I also voted for the Communists. By the way, GDP was then acting and the presidential elections were just as late.
      3. Simon
        Simon 19 December 2015 21: 16 New
        0
        And what do we think is appointed? In my opinion she gets out!
    2. mark2
      mark2 19 December 2015 19: 29 New
      +4
      And what do you think? The Duma only thinks the laws. Then they are confirmed in the upper house of parliament and signed by the Supreme.

      But whoever performs them is to blame. There are many laws in the country. But only those that are profitable are executed.
      1. Alf
        Alf 19 December 2015 19: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: mark2
        And what do you think? The Duma only thinks the laws. Then they are confirmed in the upper house of parliament and signed by the Supreme.

        But whoever performs them is to blame

        So, only the performer is to blame? And not the one who handed him these laws?
        So I’m trying to explain that the thought and the president are flesh from one another’s flesh.
  • Uran
    Uran 19 December 2015 19: 11 New
    0
    we are not afraid of these sanctions. and not so happened in the 90s. everything will be fine. we will establish our production. because we lived in the USSR, everything was enough! and now everything will be fine. Our country is one of the rich 17 million square kilometers. It is something!
    1. Alf
      Alf 19 December 2015 19: 31 New
      +8
      Quote: Uranus
      we will establish our production.

      Who will establish? The oligarchs? So they have one concern, take out more of the hill.
      The outflow of capital from Russia in the first half of the year reached $ 52,5 billion. By the end of 2015, experts estimate that an average of about $ 100 billion will flow out of the country.

      The absolute health expenditures in Russia in 2014 will exceed 2,5 trillion rubles (2,4 trillion in 2013), and in 2015 and 2016 they will grow to 2,7 and 3 trillion rubles, respectively.

      52 BILLION dollars! This is 3,6 trillion rubles! For the first half of the year 15, they took out more than they planned medicine expenses for the WHOLE 16 year!
      Quote: Uranus
      our country is one of the rich

      But these riches do not belong to the people of the country.
      Quote: Uranus
      and now everything will be fine.

      Calm yourself, calm ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 December 2015 19: 51 New
        0
        Those 52 billion were taken out by those who had previously invested in Russia — bonds, investments, stocks — received their profit with interest and took the money — this money does not belong to the state, what would you like to spend on medicine.
        1. MrK
          MrK 19 December 2015 23: 24 New
          +5
          Quote: Vadim237
          This money does not belong to the state, what would you like to spend on medicine.


          In the 2007 year, about 152,6 billion went abroad from Russia, in 2008 the outflow amounted to $ 229,9 billion, in 2009 about 159,8 billion, in 2012, $ 112,76 billion went abroad.
          From 1991 to 2012, the net outflow of capital from Russia amounted to at least 1,5 trillion. dollars. And the Interior Ministry experts call the amount in 2,7 trillions of dollars! Those. from every Russian, including babies, during democratic times, various people ripped off and transferred to foreign banks from 50 to 70 thousand dollars. THESE MONEY BOUGHT WAS SUFFICIENT TO PROVIDE ALL RUSSIANS WITH LUXURY HOUSING. Of this money, only 700 billion dollars are stored in the personal accounts of Democrats, thieves and bureaucrats in US banks. The fate of other trillions of dollars (invested in various assets, including on dummies), Russian experts so far have not been able to reliably track.
          Of course, according to Vadim, 237 are all honest people.
          But in December 2011, in an interview, Zbigniew Brzezinski, ironically, asked, they say, if the accounts in US banks have a cache of 700 billion dollars of your elite, WHOSE IS IT ELITE YOUR OR OUR?
          Dear Vadim. Look less zombie. Better not look at all. You’ll be healthier.
          A quote, by the way, from the book recommended above.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 19 December 2015 23: 31 New
            +3
            Quote: mrark
            From 1991 to 2012, the net outflow of capital from Russia amounted to at least 1,5 trillion. dollars

            You have not yet indicated that in 2013 about 170 mln. Bakinsky were withdrawn from the Russian Federation, in 2014, approximately the same amount will be again in the region of 170 billion raccoons, for a total of another 500 billion dead condoms in three years.
            Export of resources + export of capital, what is the name of such an economy?
            1. Koshak
              Koshak 20 December 2015 04: 47 New
              0
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              Export of resources + export of capital, what is the name of such an economy?


              Colonialism am
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 20 December 2015 11: 39 New
            0
            Maybe not all are honest, but this is money from investors, and foreign ones - from 1991 to 2012, the outflow was - and there is no information flowed in - the amount will be equal to what has flowed under the bridge, but now it has become problematic with the withdrawal of money, not legal, abroad due to the fact that foreign banks began to be interested in the origin of the amounts on the accounts, they used to practice well with the withdrawal of dirty money from the country, they laundered it abroad, and then returned it in the form of investments - the money does not stand still, it is always in circulation - our treasury lost most of all money due to non-payment of taxes, and this applies to all entrepreneurs and ordinary citizens. "THIS MONEY WAS ENOUGH TO PROVIDE ALL RUSSIANS WITH LUXURY HOUSING," sorry, but this money, even if everyone returns to Russia, will go to other needs - Russians will not see and touch them, your money is the amount you earn 700 billion in US bank accounts is a very dubious and unconfirmed figure, "Zbigniew Brzezinski said," - this is another noodle - believe it more and listen to it.
    2. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 19 December 2015 23: 40 New
      +4
      Quote: Uranus
      behold it will be good. we will establish our production. because we lived in the USSR, everything was enough! and now everything will be fine. Our country is one of the rich 17 million square kilometers. It is something!

      You do not confuse and do not compare the USSR and the Russian Federation — these are countries with different socio-political and economic structures.
      Now in the Russian Federation there are all the signs of a colonial economy, and the only thing that recalls its former greatness is the nuclear triad, completely inherited from the USSR, in all other respects the economic, industrial, and social RF is not even in the top twenty.
  • shooter18
    shooter18 19 December 2015 19: 28 New
    0
    I agree, only those countries live in general globalization, and probably because they live well because they do not have natural resources!))
  • tol100v
    tol100v 19 December 2015 19: 43 New
    +5
    Quote: Black
    - we will have a crisis until we establish domestic production, agriculture, tourism, etc.

    To stabilize, it is enough to introduce a moratorium on energy, at least for a year! Gasoline - 35 rubles, gas - 5 rubles, electricity - 4 rubles. (prices as a first approximation). And then stability and an opportunity for business to at least plan and develop something will appear! And for this, nothing but the will of the authorities is NEEDED!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 December 2015 11: 42 New
      -1
      And what's the use of this moratorium?
  • Aleks163
    Aleks163 19 December 2015 20: 01 New
    +1
    exactly the same thing and I say as long as imports exceed exports there will be problems
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 19 December 2015 20: 01 New
    +5
    In Russia, to restore the economic balance that does not lead the economy into a stupor, one of two things must be done: or, the first way - according to the scheme of socialist Yugoslavia, leave small and medium-sized businesses in private hands, nationalizing the all-Russian and system-forming industries (fuel and energy complex, large-scale mechanical engineering, mining ), leaving in private hands the service sector, light and food industries, the commercial component of medicine and education, or, the second way is to stop increasing capital in "one hands" and carry out the privatization of state property again according to the voucher scheme among the entire population of Russia, diluting the concentration of "parasitic capital ". If the first way requires a change of "course", then the second is real precisely in the system of existing dogmas and mechanisms. By the way, it is necessary to categorically dissect any forms of international capitalism, be it production monopolies or financial capitalism - any entrance must be nationally grounded (like SWIFT, for example)
    1. Alf
      Alf 19 December 2015 21: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      to carry out the privatization of state property again according to the voucher scheme among the entire population of Russia, diluting the concentration of "parasitic capital".

      To distribute vouchers again and step on the same rake again? You example MMM-12 did not teach anything? Previously, the Mavrodi pulled the whole country, but people were then unlearned. In 12, he again pulled on the people and, most interestingly, those who were jammed in the 90s again ran to him.
      Well, they will be handed out by trainers, investment funds will again appear, which will buy shares on vouchers of unknown offices and will disappear again.
      Comrades people
      You must understand
      One non-essential point
      What is now as before
      For our country
      Salvation is the Stalinist way.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 19 December 2015 20: 42 New
    +2
    Pleasing your words! And I’m glad that I’m not alone in your opinion, which I have repeatedly expressed. Maybe our remarks from the audience, repeatedly repeated and read by smart people in power, will help the cause. I hope so that we’re writing for nothing.
  • Simon
    Simon 19 December 2015 20: 44 New
    +1
    I completely agree with you! yes
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  • Starik72
    Starik72 19 December 2015 22: 28 New
    +2
    I agree with you Black completely! I always wrote that Russia is a SELF-SUFFICIENT country, provided that it draws attention to the internal state and economy!
  • sssla
    sssla 19 December 2015 22: 44 New
    +2
    Quote: Black
    He said, I say and I will say - we will have a crisis until then

    And I will continue you; as long as the sons of the chosen ones pinch you
    The State Duma proposed a mechanism for resolving Crimean debts on “Ukrainian” loans issued before March 2014. Russian collectors will be allowed to collect from citizens and businesses these debts purchased from Ukrainian banks.

    Collectors and banks that bought Crimean debts to Ukrainian banks will be able to collect them, but without interest and fines. Only Russian organizations will be able to claim payments, they will have to prove the right to collect debts from Crimeans to the Depositors Protection Fund (FZV) - the Crimean "daughter" of the Deposit Insurance Agency. The corresponding bill was introduced on December 16 to the State Duma by United Russia deputies Gleb Khor and Nikolai Gonchar.
    And you still do not understand ??? )))))
  • tokens2
    tokens2 20 December 2015 19: 32 New
    0
    Until fig developed countries live without their LOBs. And live well, having a very powerful economy.

    The fact of the matter is that countries with developed economies do not buy oil and resources from underdeveloped states.
    And they impose exchange by force, "supplying" instead of the usual war, goods for the general consumer. The consumer qualities of which are akin to shells and cartridges fired at the enemy.
    Everyone is happy. The elites are all happy.
    Formally, there are no wars; there is only the steady growth of economies ...
    Part of the population is in deafening ecstasy from the rustling of notes. No problems. No homeless people. No high mortality.
    A powerful economy is not a powerful conveyor for the happiness of citizens, but for dullness and fooling.
    I don’t think that Russia needs a painfully powerful economy laughing
    Well, if we don't want the people to bleat again.
    The happiness of a person is not measured by the constant updating of consumer qualities of goods from his own suitcase ...
    For fashion is not a constant lady laughing maybe she will like more reliable and permanent things? hi
  • bender8282
    bender8282 19 December 2015 18: 12 New
    +2
    Comrades, Turkish chocks, closer to summer, they’ll bite their elbows themselves, because any self-respecting Russian will not be lucky for them! Well, and brothers with chupa on the top of their heads ... well .. as rumor says, in a large Slavic family there is a black sheep (not said about all)
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 19 December 2015 20: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: bender8282
      Comrades, Turkish chocks closer to summer, they’ll bite their elbows themselves, because any self-respecting Russian will not be lucky for them to vacation!

      Like light wedge on the Russians converged? There is no one else to come to Turkish resorts? Somehow we lived before Russian tourists before.
  • avvg
    avvg 19 December 2015 18: 13 New
    +7
    Who said it will be easy? Sovereign politics are actions for which the West will never forgive and calm us down. We hope for the best, and prepare for the worst.
    1. pl675
      pl675 19 December 2015 20: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: avvg
      Who said it will be easy? Sovereign politics are actions for which the West will never forgive and calm us down. We hope for the best, and prepare for the worst.


      what you dare, then you shake.
      / I didn’t come up with, but in the subject of your words /
  • oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 19 December 2015 18: 17 New
    14
    "Moscow in 2016 faces the prospect of aggravation of crises on two fronts at once." - Our most important front is the Third, internal one! This is an illiterate economic policy of our government, on which we are stupidly dependent on raw material prices. The primitiveness of the "flight of thought" of our Kremlin "titans" is striking. And if we continue this way, then we will lose everything.
  • bronik
    bronik 19 December 2015 18: 24 New
    10
    Not I came up with:
    Abandoned to the Turks, of course. They didn’t live, they were friends with ISIS, they bombed the Kurds, and speculated in oil. And then suddenly here you are: the rooks have arrived ....
    This is about the Turks. Well, about hoh fishing:
    A country whose interior minister cannot reach a major target with a glass from a distance of one and a half meters has no prospects for victory ...
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 19 December 2015 19: 37 New
      0
      Quote: bronik
      Not I came up with:
      Abandoned to the Turks, of course. They didn’t live, they were friends with ISIS, they bombed the Kurds, and speculated in oil. And then suddenly here you are: the rooks have arrived ....
      This is about the Turks. Well, about hoh fishing:
      A country whose interior minister cannot reach a major target with a glass from a distance of one and a half meters has no prospects for victory ...

      There was no water there, but a bleached Armenian cognac. That's because of this and the sight went astray. Brave Avakov (kyan) does not drink water.
  • midivan
    midivan 19 December 2015 18: 31 New
    27
    The golden rain of state military orders continues to pour on the Russian defense industry, and the level of defense exports remains stably high. smile I would like to remind the author that, over time, many Russian words and expressions have lost their meaning and this must be taken into account when submitting articles, and in particular "golden rain" I think there is no need to explain, and about two fronts, you should not hope that there will be two of them as well, I will not be surprised if there are at least 4 of them, the Baltics and the Caucasus have not gone anywhere, so is the border of Afghanistan, and Turkmenistan should not be written off, even though there and strictly, but blood is blood IMHO
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 19 December 2015 19: 55 New
      +2
      And some should be congratulated on the new 1878. yes
      1. midivan
        midivan 19 December 2015 21: 54 New
        +4
        Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
        And some should be congratulated on the new 1878. yes

        wink to go to us all inclusive? laughing
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  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 December 2015 18: 36 New
    19
    Honestly, it breaks after the first paragraph
    In 2015, Russia entered weighed down by confrontation with Ukraine and with Western countries supporting Kiev. The hostility of the West was expressed in the sensitive Western economic sanctions that Moscow was subjected to, but the more negative factor for the latter was a sharp drop in oil prices on world markets in the second half of 2014, which exposed the structural problems of the Russian economy. Together, all this led to an almost twofold devaluation of the Russian ruble.

    The double devaluation of the ruble was led by the absolutely illiterate actions of the Central Bank under the leadership of Nabiullina, who, as it seems, set her task to make all possible mistakes without missing a single one. Of course, the fall in oil prices was an extremely hard blow to the ruble, but it was Nabiullina’s actions, who hadn’t come up with anything better than letting the ruble go free float, at that moment that dispersed the speculative game of depreciating the ruble, and after that she came up with nothing more clever. except to raise the interest rate on loans, inflicting a terrible blow on our sector of real economy - industrial enterprises.
    If a competent person was at the head of the Central Bank - yes, the ruble would still fall, but not by half, but by 25 percent, maybe 30, while the interest rate could really be kept at the pre-crisis level. But there was no competent head of the Central Bank in Russia.
    Well, now, of course, we will blame the West for everything (which is very guilty, but still not in everything)
    The economic downturn turned out to be shallow and quickly stabilized, there was no serious financial and banking crisis, and a number of producing sectors of the economy received even positive impulses from the devaluation of the currency and mutual restrictions on the supply of products between Russia and the West

    Author! Have you ever been at one factory in your life?
    All production facilities have sunk, construction is breathing its last, tax collection has fallen terribly, so the tax authorities have received the most severe instructions and there will be no delays in choking enterprises. More or less survived those who received state support in the person of state defense orders - state orders strongly moved our economy forward, but as always the state will not allow their state enterprises to develop - law 159-FZ actually paralyzed the calculations on state defense orders, and enterprises are again on the edge of the abyss.
    And all sorts of pompous ... how to put it mildly, then ... okay, let's replace it for clarity, now they are broadcasting to us about a "shallow" economic recession, and that in general everything has stabilized a long time ago and some have benefited ...
    1. ty60
      ty60 19 December 2015 19: 22 New
      +1
      Serdyukov in the financial sector. But is it not a Muslim from ISIS?
    2. IS-80
      IS-80 19 December 2015 21: 11 New
      -2
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      The double devaluation of the ruble was led by the absolutely illiterate actions of the Central Bank under the leadership of Nabiullina, who, as it seems, set her task to make all possible mistakes without missing a single one. Of course, the fall in oil prices was an extremely hard blow to the ruble, but it was Nabiullina’s actions, who hadn’t come up with anything better than letting the ruble go free float, at that moment that dispersed the speculative game of depreciating the ruble, and after that she came up with nothing more clever. except to raise the interest rate on loans, inflicting a terrible blow on our sector of real economy - industrial enterprises.
      If a competent person was at the head of the Central Bank - yes, the ruble would still fall, but not by half, but by 25 percent, maybe 30, while the interest rate could really be kept at the pre-crisis level. But there was no competent head of the Central Bank in Russia.
      Well, now, of course, we will blame the West for everything (which is very guilty, but still not in everything)

      Leave the poor woman alone. All who criticize her, with rare exceptions, cannot offer anything in return for what she has done. And she did everything she could within the framework of the system in which we now live. In general, in 1991 it was necessary to think about what we are changing for.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 December 2015 22: 08 New
        +7
        Quote: IS-80
        All who criticize her, with rare exceptions, cannot offer anything in return for what she has done.

        Having fallen for nothing, what is there to offer? !! Want a debriefing? You will have them immediately :)
        At us, the Central Bank kept an eye on the exchange rate of dollars and damped its fluctuations by coherent interventions. The dollar climbed up - the Central Bank is selling a certain amount of dollars, so the supply of dollars is growing, and the price for them is falling. On the contrary, if the ruble appreciably strengthens, the Central Bank began to buy dollars, they became less and their prices rose. In principle, this should be continued - our fluctuations are quite decent - during the tax period, everyone needs rubles before the cut, during the period of dividend payments on shares on import exchanges - dollars, in general, the rate itself will wobble from side to side.
        But Nabiullina and Co. decided that the most liberal-correct approach is the free conversion of the ruble without the eye of the Central Bank. Why it decided so is impossible to understand, even textbooks in economics do not presume to state that the adjustment of insignificant fluctuations in the course is a universal evil. But they decided. Nevertheless, having stipulated that in case of serious fluctuations and unnatural rates, the Central Bank reserves the right to intervene.
        It is understood that a message about the Central Bank's refusal to control the ruble exchange rate will drop the ruble exchange rate - simply because everyone will expect the ruble to decline and will rush to buy the dollar. How was it worth letting the ruble go for free swimming (since I had definitely decided)?
        First, during the period of calm oil prices. Secondly, it should have started under the tax period (when there is a great need for the ruble and not the dollar). Thirdly, any attempts to play for a fall should have been carefully suppressed by the Central Bank. Here the dollar cost 36 rubles, the exchange rate fell by 50 kopecks, the Central Bank - RRAZ! Intervention There is only one answer to all the questions "What about you, we thought there would be free trade" - "And the Central Bank does not consider the rate of 36,50 per dollar as a natural course"
        And that’s all! To make a free course in the QUIET foreign policy situation, during the period of the ruble appreciation, to give currency speculators on their hands - that’s all in the hat. And when attempts to play to lower the ruble come to naught - then stop the intervention ... In this case, the ruble would still sag, but not by much.
        Instead, oil starts to decline. And it seems that the eternal bureaucratic has worked - "I'm not me, and the aphedron is not mine!" - Mrs. Nabiullina, realizing that the ruble could sink, sent the ruble to float freely, having 100% justification in case of a strong ruble failure (for which they would not pat on the head) - and this is not us, it's all oil! Second, Nabiullina did NOTHING to prevent speculation on the ruble's fall - on the contrary, she regularly lent to banks, which instead of the real sector threw funds into currency speculation. And finally, when the ruble went off at its peak, I didn’t think of anything smarter than to hike the key interest rate (which was reflected in loan rates). This did not stop currency speculation (if, roughly, why not take it at 17% per annum, if the same 17% was "earned" on currency speculation almost in two weeks?), But the explosive growth of loans for enterprises - please.
        So what was needed:
        1) It was NOT possible when oil was dropping to give up currency regulation and let the ruble float freely. The ruble would still fall, but not so much and not so fast.
        2) If you already let go of the course - you had to do it under a tax period
        3) MANDATORY it was necessary to drive into the minds of all banks wishing to speculate in currency about the futility of the short game (I wrote how above). It was not done.
        4) IN NO CASE, it was impossible to extinguish dispersed speculators by increasing the key interest rate.
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 19 December 2015 23: 30 New
          -2
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          With lowering oil, it was IMPOSSIBLE to abandon currency regulation and let the ruble go free float. The ruble would still fall, but not so much and not so fast.

          Yeah, and give a lot of money to speculators with these interventions.
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          If you let go of the course, you had to do it under a tax period

          This is how it happened. Oil had to fall under the tax period. smile
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          MANDATORY it was necessary to drive into the minds of all banks wishing to speculate in currency about the futility of the short game (I wrote how above). It was not done.

          How do you imagine it? Madame Nabiullina in a leather jacket and with a revolutionary Mauser in front of a line of bankers under escort delivers a speech - "I will contradict you if you speculate every single one at the expense of the sons of bitches!" So what? And yes, the licenses were taken away from the banks.
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          IN NO EVENT it was impossible to extinguish dispersed speculators by raising the key interest rate.

          BUT AS? Executions?
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 20 December 2015 01: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: IS-80
            Yeah, and give a lot of money to speculators with these interventions.

            What is it like? There are no sharp and / or strong fluctuations of the ruble - no speculation.
            Quote: IS-80
            This is how it happened. Oil had to fall under the tax period

            And when oil falls, letting the ruble go free is bullshit, which I already explained above. If you do not understand something, ask again.
            Quote: IS-80
            And how do you imagine this?

            Take the glasses (or a magnifying glass there) and read. Again
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Thirdly, any attempts to play for a fall should have been carefully suppressed by the Central Bank. Here the dollar cost 36 rubles, the exchange rate fell by 50 kopecks, the Central Bank - RRAZ! Intervention There is only one answer to all the questions "What about you, we thought there would be free trade" - "And the Central Bank does not consider the rate of 36,50 per dollar as a natural course"

            What is unclear in this paragraph?
            Quote: IS-80
            Madame Nabiullina in a leather jacket and with a revolutionary Mauser in front of a formation of bankers under guard escorts a speech

            You know, the feeling is that your argumentation is recorded on a gramophone record - as soon as someone opposes you, you turn it on. The fact that your "counterarguments" do not correspond to the moment at all (you are used to seeing that when asked what Nabiullina should have done, your opponents fall into a stupor) does not bother you. You were told what was necessary to do and what was not necessary to do. And in response, I do not hear a single counterargument and explanation of what I am wrong about - some kind of worn-out record about some Mauser ...
            1. IS-80
              IS-80 20 December 2015 02: 36 New
              -2
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              What is it like? There are no sharp and / or strong fluctuations of the ruble - no speculation.

              Yeah, we keep the course two times higher than the real one, over time we notice that the gold reserves went into the pipe.
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              What is unclear in this paragraph?

              One thing is unclear. You seriously do not understand that such a policy would play into the hands of speculators?
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              You know, the feeling is that your argumentation is recorded on a gramophone record - as soon as someone opposes you, you turn it on. The fact that your "counterarguments" do not correspond to the moment at all (you are used to seeing that when asked what Nabiullina should have done, your opponents fall into a stupor) does not bother you. You were told what was necessary to do and what was not necessary to do. And in response, I do not hear a single counterargument and explanation of what I am wrong about - some kind of worn-out record about some Mauser ...

              Nothing bothers me for the reason that your arguments are completely erroneous. And on some points you speak in general phrases without explaining at all what methods to do what you offer.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 20 December 2015 14: 56 New
                +1
                Quote: IS-80
                Yeah, we keep the course two times higher than the real one, over time we notice that the gold reserves went into the pipe.

                Please, do not confuse a gradual decrease in the course (I wrote in Russian, it shouldn’t have been SHARP and / or STRONG hesitations) with keeping the course at the same level. This time. The second - and where did you get the idea that the existing course is real? :))
                Quote: IS-80
                You seriously do not understand that such a policy would play into the hands of speculators?

                I do not understand. Kindly explain to me my error :))
                Quote: IS-80
                why doesn’t it bother me for the reason that your arguments are completely erroneous

                I will greatly surprise you now. You see, in a discussion it’s not enough to say that the opponent’s argument is wrong. It is also necessary to explain why it is wrong :)) What I expect from you which comment, and, it seems, in vain.
                Quote: IS-80
                And on some points you speak in general phrases without explaining at all

                This is for what? :))
        2. barbiturate
          barbiturate 20 December 2015 10: 02 New
          0
          I completely agree, brokers from the exchange neigh at professional forums over the actions of the Central Bank and openly said that if they (that is, if you put these brokers at the helm of the Central Bank) were tasked with keeping the ruble, then this would be done elementarily, just by the measures that you described, but state. officials and the Central Bank acted the other way around, caught a panic and created expectations for the ruble to fall, and then just threw it and it went ... Apparently, the ruble needed to be omitted, but to whom it was a question.
      2. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 20 December 2015 00: 24 New
        -1
        Ruble valnuli in order to preserve foreign exchange reserves, reduce the cost of mining, stay on the world raw materials markets. We will not live without iPhones.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 20 December 2015 00: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: Good AAAH
          Ruble valnuli in order to preserve foreign exchange reserves, reduce the cost of mining, stay on world raw materials markets

          Direct "government hour".
          Quote: Good AAAH
          We’ll live without iPhones.

          A..aaaaa, it's you, Dmitry Anatolyevich!
          Good evening ... join wink
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    3. IS-80
      IS-80 19 December 2015 21: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Author! Have you ever been at one factory in your life?
      All production facilities have sunk, construction is breathing its last, tax collection has fallen terribly, so the tax authorities have received the most severe instructions and there will be no delays in choking enterprises. More or less survived those who received state support in the person of state defense orders - state orders strongly moved our economy forward, but as always the state will not allow their state enterprises to develop - law 159-FZ actually paralyzed the calculations on state defense orders, and enterprises are again on the edge of the abyss.
      And all sorts of pompous ... how to put it mildly, then ... okay, let's replace it for clarity, now they are broadcasting to us about a "shallow" economic recession, and that in general everything has stabilized a long time ago and some have benefited ...

      If you read the inscription “buffalo” on the elephant’s cage, do not believe your eyes. laughing
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 December 2015 22: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: IS-80
        If you read the inscription “buffalo” on the elephant’s cage, don’t believe your eyes

        A bit ambiguous, because I read something, too, through the eyes :)))
  • sober
    sober 19 December 2015 18: 41 New
    +1
    On the night of December 19, at the Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant (NPP), in connection with the overhaul of Unit 1, it was stopped for 129 days.

    This was reported in the press service of the Zaporizhzhya NPP.

    According to this information, the power unit was shut down at 00:00. The power unit was transferred from the “cold reserve” state to the “stopped for a scheduled overhaul duration of 129 days” state.

    As of December 19, five power units are operating at nuclear power plants; the total capacity of the generators is 4 megawatts.

    “The radiation background at the industrial site and in the sanitary protection zone of the nuclear power plant is 8–12 µR / h, which corresponds to the usual natural value,” the Zaporizhzhya NPP press service added.


    Source: http://ru.golos.ua/ekonomika/na_zaes_otklyuchili_pervyiy_energoblok_3609
    Golos.ua © 2015



    THERE IS NO HERE TO DO THERE, OVERVOLTAGE !!!!! even though there is a lot of this, maybe the networks can withstand it, the heaters will have to be turned on soon!
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 19 December 2015 19: 12 New
      0
      The spring service of the Leningrad Nuclear Power Plant reports that today (December 18) at 13:50 Moscow time the second power unit was shut down due to the formation of steam in one of the rooms of the turbine workshop.

      In the night from Friday to Saturday in Belgium, a fire occurred in the non-nuclear part of the Tihange 1. The information on the incident was provided by the electricity supply operator Electrabel. One victim is known.
      Belgium, Ukraine, Russia. There’s some kind of epidemic.
  • onix757
    onix757 19 December 2015 18: 43 New
    0
    In Ukraine, pro-Russian rebels were able to inflict sensitive defeats on Ukrainians in the areas of Donetsk airport and Debaltseve, which forced Kiev to sign the second Minsk peace agreements in February 2015 and led to a certain detente in this region for most of 2015.

    Well, what's next for the Minsk agreements? Another defense of the Russians in the east from the stronger Ukrainian army?
    Economic problems, including because of their moderation, had practically no effect on Russia's military expenditures, which in 2015 were maintained within the given framework, and for 2016 approved only with the most insignificant nominal reduction.

    The "nominal" reduction is 225,4147 billion rubles, which is not too little for moderate economic problems. But the saddest thing is not this, but the fact that the costs will be cut annually until the oil price creeps up.
  • newcomer
    newcomer 19 December 2015 18: 49 New
    +6
    Well, who said it would be easy? the independent existence of the state and sovereign politics require sacrifice. Of course, it is especially difficult now, when after 90 we began to rise both politically and financially. no one ever wants to see a strong Russia. I'm certainly not a big old man of conspiracy theory, look deep into history, look at relatively recent events (18_21 centuries). Well, Russia does not give rest to earthlings: it is too good! and our task is simply to live. live and love, protect and protect our mother Rus. but in general I’ll tell you a secret: if it weren’t for our bribes, Russia would feed three more such powers and we would live much better and more carefree.
    1. onix757
      onix757 19 December 2015 19: 19 New
      +4
      Well, who said it would be easy?

      Yes, our bourgeoisie loves such speed. Like, endure the people, we feel bad too)
      independent state existence and sovereign politics require sacrifice

      Sovereign politics requires at least a strong economic base. And about "independent existence" - strong smile The financial situation in the country depends on the goodwill of the United States, but at the same time we are independent. "existence" as a thesis is beyond doubt.
      no one ever wants to see a strong Russia.

      And who are these rotenbergs? lol
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 19 December 2015 18: 52 New
    +6
    Actually, the crisis has not affected us so much. There are few restrictions on fruits, fewer clothes, household appliances (but there were no empty shelves in stores) - but all this is not critical compared to the 90s, when there was nothing at all in the stores. No panic, more worried about housing problems. A lot of optimism, and all a Happy New Year! smile Yes, all Nikolaev with Nikolin in the afternoon! drinks
    1. Alf
      Alf 19 December 2015 19: 40 New
      +8
      Quote: EvgNik
      Actually, the crisis has not affected us so much. There are little fruit restrictions,

      We do not have restrictions on fruits, we have restrictions on their prices, which skyrocketed "a little".
      1. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 20 December 2015 00: 39 New
        0
        Do you remember the USSR? Only apples and oranges in winter, and even tangerines in December. And this is in Moscow. On the periphery - a full ass on fruits.
        1. DobryAAH
          DobryAAH 20 December 2015 01: 00 New
          0
          I don’t understand, someone lived better? I well remember socialism from the 60s, when under Khrushchev, my mother and I stood in a huge line for flour for coupons.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 20 December 2015 01: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: Good AAAH
            when, under Khrushchev, my mother stood in line in a huge line for flour for coupons.

            And what in the shops didn’t there be bread?
            And tell me, please, in more detail about the coupons under Khrushchev. It is interesting to listen to our story in your interpretation.
            1. DobryAAH
              DobryAAH 20 December 2015 01: 18 New
              0
              He answered as it was. You don’t have to find fault. It really was. The conversation is not about bread, but about flour.
              Quote (Not a fan @ 16.07.2013/18/02, XNUMX:XNUMX) *
              Like this? Late Khrushchev, yellow loaves of 28 kopecks, flour for coupons from the house management, and this is in Moscow. I was 9-10 years old, but I remember well.

              I don’t remember one.
              http://www.forum-tvs.ru/index.php?showtopic=105566&st=50&p=4512372&
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  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 December 2015 18: 52 New
    0
    Countries in which there is no color differentiation of pants, no future! ( Kin-Dza-Dza).
    Crimeans had to help out? - necessary! Donbass needed to be supported? - necessary! Did the Syrians have to be saved? - again necessary!
    So what to argue about?
    Well, the answer to Turkey cut everything that is possible. And chop off. Let them say thanks that they weren’t punched in their database. From strategists.
    Could Russia do something else? IMHO - could not. Will the West take the opportunity to weaken a growing competitor - Russia? Under any pretext. Mandatory.
    Did we sneeze a little on petrodollars? There is little. They pulled us from heaven to earth? Pulled off. Now you have to get everything in accordance with labor productivity. And then we already have simple hard workers in five-star hotels began to relax, but abroad. On vacation!
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 19 December 2015 19: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Let them say thanks that they weren’t punched in their database.

      Now, if they had crashed in, they would probably say thank you, then according to the Montreux convention, tankers from Novorossiysk would hang out in the roads, and oil would go and go through the CPC pipeline, and where should I put it later?
    2. ty60
      ty60 19 December 2015 19: 26 New
      +1
      What hotel did you meet in? First bomb it!
  • sontinianin
    sontinianin 19 December 2015 18: 54 New
    +1
    We will survive the crisis also thanks to us, we were raised taxes, and most importantly, remember how much fuel and cars were before the collapse of the USSR, and how much now, so that we have at least $ 20 oil, we can take it on our shoulders and our wallets (unfortunately )!
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 20 December 2015 00: 47 New
      0
      We talked a little about oil money, that's enough, it's time for work.
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  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 19 December 2015 18: 58 New
    +8
    [quote = Andrey from Chelyabinsk] Honestly, it will return after the first paragraph
    [quote] But there was no competent head of the Central Bank in Russia. [/ quote]
    The Central Bank, subordinate to state bodies of the Russian Federation in nature does not exist. There is a private organization of the Central Bank, independent of the state and pursuing the US Federal Reserve policy in the country, structure.
    Something like that under the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
    The head of the Central Bank may be competent, but he is not obliged to act in the interests of Russia; he acts in the interests of the Fed of another US state.
  • FiremamRescueS
    FiremamRescueS 19 December 2015 19: 03 New
    +4
    "So far, the Russian military campaign has not led to significant military results and at the same time has further complicated Moscow's relations both with the United States and with a number of regional players, primarily with Turkey." it was this phrase that spoiled the overall impression of reading the article.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 19 December 2015 19: 27 New
    +5
    In 2015, Russia entered weighed down by confrontation with Ukraine and Western countries
    And what is the problem in Russia, there is a specialist in solving external problems?
  • Gor-1974
    Gor-1974 19 December 2015 19: 31 New
    +1
    The idea creeps in the article: “Since all the fields were not completely sown, and all the plants did not work in three shifts, without days off, then the supreme ones did not believe in the possibility of war — but they believe in the power of nuclear missiles — let's say: NATO starts a war with Russia, as the president will act, will he have the courage to arrange a small apocalypse? if people from the shadows give the go-ahead. It seems to me now for him this is the main question of his life - whether he can destroy billions or not, the actions of NATO depend on it, they also analyze, they can, they cannot. It seems to me that you need to be a real tough guy, so that the world believes that he can ... and start to be afraid, so you should not refrain from aggressive attacks and take truly bloody steps - the whole world should see that if you think for a moment. ..
  • LPD17
    LPD17 19 December 2015 19: 33 New
    +3
    Quote: mark2
    Well, they stopped reading Lenin a long time ago. Therefore, the country also trades in raw materials, and the opposition here cannot wage a rightful struggle for power, and the working class is not fighting for its rights.
    But then we all read the Internet. To this end, he was invented so that the masses of people would sit, twisting fingers with a polovchik, post and tweeters and not even think to stop serious people from making money.


    But if also a 17-volume tomnik I.V.S. read ......
    probably now the post will be deleted ...
  • moskowit
    moskowit 19 December 2015 19: 39 New
    +8
    All this "crap" is nipped to read. I, when, thirty years ago, in the works of S.M. Solovyov. I read excerpts from the work of Yuri Krizhanich, you can say, as Vinokur says, ohhu..l! This work was written in the second half of the 17th, don't be surprised, the 17th century. We are not mistaken. 17th century.

    "... The main work of Krizhanich, containing a program of economic and political reforms for Russia, is" Political Dumas. "In the author's opinion, the trade policy of the Russian state should protect the interests of domestic production, that is, it is necessary to export more and import less. a supporter of the export of finished products, he condemned the export of raw materials and grain, since in this case the population of the country is experiencing a shortage of food.He understood that good roads are important for the development of trade, as well as the guarantee of the transportation of goods, i.e. the protection of trade. These views, Krizhanich approaches the theory of trade balance put forward by mercantilists. However, unlike Western scholars of this direction, he is convinced that an active trade balance is not the only source of wealth. The state can obtain more stable incomes by developing productive forces, i.e. . industry, agriculture, handicrafts, mining, navy ... "

    And since then we have been thinking, scratching our "turnips" and for 350 years we have been driving the national property, the wealth of our country, abroad. When will we come to our senses? True, the Great Historian wrote much more concretely and quoted excerpts from the work of Krizhanich ...
  • individual
    individual 19 December 2015 19: 52 New
    +3
    How not to suffer?
    Glamor suffered!
    Look, the daughter of Gaidar under the wing of Saakashvili!
    Ganapolsky under the wing of Kiev ...
    At any forum, their representatives behind a steady flock cling to political scientists from America, Kiev and other Warsaw.
    Everyone shows with zeal how he wants to "eat"!
  • Pomeranian
    Pomeranian 19 December 2015 19: 58 New
    +7
    The only statement that many Russian citizens expected from Putin was "the resignation of the government" and "the abolition of the liberal course." The rest is words, words, words ...
  • Homo
    Homo 19 December 2015 20: 03 New
    +7
    But did you notice this?
    At the same time, it is not yet clear whether intervention in Syria, to the results desirable for Moscow - both in the form of stabilizing the situation of the Bashar al-Assad regime and weakening the "Islamic state", and in the form of restoring at least partial partnership with the West from "strong" positions for Russia. For now Russian military campaign It did not lead to significant military results and at the same time additionally complicated Moscow’s relations with both the United States and a number of regional players, primarily Turkey.

    First - "... intervention ...". "Intervention (lat. Interventio - interference) - military, political, informational or economic intervention of one or more states in the internal affairs of another state, violating its sovereignty." Is this Russia an invader?
    Secondly - "... the Russian military campaign ...". Is it written by a Russian person, a Russian? Something I strongly doubt.
    Thirdly - "... complicated relations between Moscow and the United States ...". This is when we had good relations with the USA?
    Hence the conclusion, is it possible to believe the article, its conclusions, analysis?
    "Order" written by "the officer's daughter"!
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 19 December 2015 20: 23 New
      +1
      Yes little article ,,,, interesting ,,,,
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 19 December 2015 20: 29 New
      11
      Quote: Homo
      Is this when we had a good relationship with the USA?

      Well, then, in the dashing 90s, dear friend Bill, dear vassal Boris.
      will the intervention in Syria lead

      Author hi my reverence to you, The operation to provide military assistance at the invitation of a LAWFUL and legitimate government of Syria is called an intervention by all countries? Does it mean that the Americans are bombing everybody right without an invitation?
      1. Homo
        Homo 20 December 2015 01: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: vovanpain
        Well, then, in the dashing 90s, dear friend Bill, dear vassal Boris.

        There is probably not a good relationship but a deflection!
  • Pirogov
    Pirogov 19 December 2015 20: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: Black
    I said, I say and I will say that we will have a crisis until we establish domestic production, agriculture, tourism, etc. If the state’s internal economic policy is correct, they don’t give a damn about world prices for oil and gas. Until a fig of developed countries they live without their LOBs. And live well, having a very powerful economy.

    That's right. You say that if the domestic market is self-sufficient, then you can lay down on everyone! An example of this is China!
    1. Extraneous
      Extraneous 19 December 2015 23: 29 New
      0
      That's right. You say that if the domestic market is self-sufficient, then you can lay down on everyone! China example


      Here you are a little mistaken. China's economic recovery is driven by a policy of stimulating domestic production oriented to foreign markets. There, as far as I know, enterprises are exempted from taxes for several years, whose products are exported completely and are not sold on the domestic market. Only due to the domestic market, no country is able to develop. The stimulus for the development of production at all times was foreign trade and war. Foreign trade develops the production of consumer goods. War is the production of weapons.
      The almost closed USSR foreign trade market was the reason for the weak development of the production of consumer goods.
      The domestic market is provided by entrepreneurs of small and medium-sized businesses. Big business cannot be developed on it. A quick overstock and a drop in production will occur.
  • Gardener91
    Gardener91 19 December 2015 20: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: onix757
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    It is precisely the persistent external problems that prevent Putin from expressing himself in domestic politics!

    The problem is that foreign policy is a concentrated continuation of the domestic. It is like the two ends of one club.

    But what about the domestic and foreign policies of the United States? There’s not even one club, but three different ones. Double standards and all that.
  • Denimax
    Denimax 19 December 2015 20: 23 New
    +3
    Quote: Tatiana
    we wish VV Putin wisdom and success in this difficult and noble work for the benefit of peaceful coexistence with the West and the prosperity of the peoples of Russia!

    And in America, the president immediately turned to citizens: What have you done for America? That is, he was not going to puff himself, but expected the quality work of the whole country, well, and there you probably know yourself ...
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 19 December 2015 20: 37 New
      +7
      Quote: Denimax
      And in America, the president immediately turned to citizens: What have you done for America?

      What did you do for America?
      1. Denimax
        Denimax 19 December 2015 20: 57 New
        +2
        I do not understand why this question?
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 19 December 2015 21: 00 New
          +9
          hi
          Quote: Denimax
          I do not understand why this question?

          So I did not understand what was the president of America? hi
          1. Denimax
            Denimax 19 December 2015 21: 47 New
            +5
            This was an answer to Tatyana's comment. But that’s not the point, my opinion has long been determined: That Putin (whatever he may be) will not be able to work with such a team of deputies. I looked at the last meeting in the Duma, and ... continuous swirling ryahs, one got a little. And a nail, like horseradish on the lawn ... Valuev sits, well, excuse me, how is this to be understood? Is that specialists?
            1. vovanpain
              vovanpain 19 December 2015 22: 16 New
              11
              Quote: Denimax
              That Putin (whatever he may be) will not be able to work with such a team of deputies.

              You can’t argue. If I offended, I apologize. hi
              Quote: Denimax
              I looked at the last meeting in the Duma, and ... continuous swirling ryahs, one got a little.

              Somehow I posted, but I repeat.
              1. Denimax
                Denimax 19 December 2015 22: 30 New
                +2
                Yes, yes, funny, but somehow not happy. Tooting.
  • Yasyasvoy
    Yasyasvoy 19 December 2015 20: 31 New
    0
    Excuse me, the author was expelled from the State Department? Something nonsense wrote. As usual # all gone!
    There would be something positive to write! So no!
    PS Everything will be fine !!!
  • NSerzh
    NSerzh 19 December 2015 20: 37 New
    +1
    meanwhile, the standard of living in the country fuel is falling in price, prices in stores are not falling, they are cutting workers at enterprises, even fighting in Syria
    1. Yasyasvoy
      Yasyasvoy 19 December 2015 20: 41 New
      0
      Well, what can you do? Life is such a thing brother. For that, God forbid, children will live better!
      1. NSerzh
        NSerzh 19 December 2015 20: 43 New
        +2
        children will still pay the mortgage that their parents took to the maternity capital))
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 19 December 2015 20: 45 New
          +8
          Quote: NSerzh
          children will still pay the mortgage that their parents took to maternity capital

          And also wear their clothes.
      2. Alf
        Alf 19 December 2015 21: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: Yasyasvoy
        For that, God forbid, children will live better!

        WHOSE CHILDREN?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 December 2015 21: 47 New
          +3
          Children of the whole Russian Federation.
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 19 December 2015 20: 42 New
      10
      Quote: NSerzh
      meanwhile, the standard of living in the country fuel is falling in price, prices in stores are not falling, they are cutting workers at enterprises, even fighting in Syria

      You forgot to say about pensioners, medicine and the Platon system
      1. Alf
        Alf 19 December 2015 21: 32 New
        +5
        Quote: vovanpain
        system "Plato"

        At a meeting of the GDP, he assured that all the money raised by the Plato system will go to the state road fund.
        Interestingly, he himself understood what he said?
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 20 December 2015 00: 28 New
          +3
          He said that "to the penny" lol
          I just forgot to mention how much money will be spent on the maintenance of "Platonotenberg" itself.
          And he also said that from the budget for "Rothenberplaton" 10 billion were allocated from the budget.
          Now I know for sure that this fig is not a feeding trough. what
  • newcomer
    newcomer 19 December 2015 20: 45 New
    +4
    Onyxu 757. you don’t understand what and what I said. and appreciated your erulition.
  • smith7
    smith7 19 December 2015 20: 45 New
    +4
    Quote: Black
    I said, I say and I will say that we will have a crisis until we establish domestic production, agriculture, tourism, etc. If the state’s internal economic policy is correct, they don’t give a damn about world prices for oil and gas. Until a fig of developed countries they live without their LOBs. And live well, having a very powerful economy.


    Thank you, Cap ... It would be necessary if we were not prevented from building up. Both from the outside and from the inside. The war is not over yet ...
  • Denimax
    Denimax 19 December 2015 20: 53 New
    +1
    "In the field of military development, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu continued, on the one hand, the practice of stepping up intensive exercises and sudden" checks "of deployment."
    A good minister, economic, he is still the Minister of the automotive industry, the aviation industry, and a few more ministerial posts need to be worked out.
    Is it really so bad with leading cadres ???
    1. Extraneous
      Extraneous 20 December 2015 00: 11 New
      0
      I will not be surprised at all when Shoigu will be nominated for the next presidential election and he will win with 90% of the votes in favor.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 20 December 2015 00: 17 New
        +1
        Only from a rearrangement of terms, the sum will not change.
        1. Extraneous
          Extraneous 20 December 2015 00: 58 New
          0
          Are you talking about Putin and Medvedev, or about Serdyukov and Shoigu?
          Or maybe about Yeltsin and Putin? - also one team.
  • NIKNN
    NIKNN 19 December 2015 21: 05 New
    +3
    Quote: Black
    I said, I say and I will say that we will have a crisis until we establish domestic production, agriculture, tourism, etc. If the state’s internal economic policy is correct, they don’t give a damn about world prices for oil and gas. Until a fig of developed countries they live without their LOBs. And live well, having a very powerful economy.


    It takes time that was missed and money that is about ... whether. thanks to Gorbachev and Yeltsin. And "what is drunk and pro .. but as a rule does not return." So, we proceed from what is. And God forbid that they stop producing the rake, or at least withdraw it from mass production (although this is exclusively our product) ... hi
    1. atalef
      atalef 19 December 2015 21: 07 New
      +6
      Quote: NIKNN
      You need time that you have lost and money that is about ... whether. thanks to Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

      One has not been in power for 25 years, the other 16 in the grave.
      And how would you say about the period 2000-2016?
      16 years by the way
      1. onix757
        onix757 19 December 2015 21: 14 New
        +3
        And how would you say about the period 2000-2016?
        16 years by the way

        We call this period "under the sign of PI" smile
      2. vovanpain
        vovanpain 19 December 2015 21: 41 New
        10
        Quote: atalef
        And how would you say about the period 2000-2016?
        16 years by the way

        hi Alexander, did Putin and you rule in the period 2000-2016? In business and how does he manage? Yours faithfully hi
        1. atalef
          atalef 19 December 2015 22: 07 New
          0
          Quote: vovanpain
          Quote: atalef
          And how would you say about the period 2000-2016?
          16 years by the way

          hi Alexander, did Putin and you rule in the period 2000-2016? In business and how does he manage? Yours faithfully hi

          And we have to do with it, the question was, what would you call?
  • shinobi
    shinobi 19 December 2015 21: 32 New
    +5
    And so unobtrusively constantly imposed the thought-Russia should go towards rapprochement with the West. And why? In each article, it was practically taken not from the site’s resource. We started to process it.
  • Gardener91
    Gardener91 19 December 2015 21: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: NIKNN
    You need time that you have lost and money that is about ... whether. thanks to Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

    One has not been in power for 25 years, the other 16 in the grave.
    And how would you say about the period 2000-2016?
    16 years by the way

    It’s hard to get out of the pit that they themselves were digging with the helpers of the democrats, and even without a global concept of the state for tomorrow and the day after tomorrow.
    1. atalef
      atalef 19 December 2015 22: 09 New
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      Quote: Gardener91
      Quote: atalef
      Quote: NIKNN
      You need time that you have lost and money that is about ... whether. thanks to Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

      One has not been in power for 25 years, the other 16 in the grave.
      And how would you say about the period 2000-2016?
      16 years by the way

      It’s hard to get out of the pit that they themselves were digging with the helpers of the democrats, and even without a global concept of the state for tomorrow and the day after tomorrow.

      Well, with this approach, you’ll dig even more
      1. Gardener91
        Gardener91 19 December 2015 22: 26 New
        +1
        What approach is needed?
  • Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 19 December 2015 21: 53 New
    +2
    Quote: Black
    I said, I say and I will say that we will have a crisis until we establish domestic production, agriculture, tourism, etc. If the state’s internal economic policy is correct, they don’t give a damn about world prices for oil and gas. Until a fig of developed countries they live without their LOBs. And live well, having a very powerful economy.

    And I’ll answer you no less honestly that to establish production is not to write advice and comment on the Internet. By the way, how do you imagine this?
    Here, for example, our passenger car engines are inferior to their foreign counterparts.
    How to develop the production of engines, where to get the money. Often I hear the answer - the state should help.
    But there are all kinds of controllers on the engine, and their sensors must also be made, and where to get the money, the state should help.
    Such an answer will be to any proposal.
    Disabled people do not have wheelchairs and dentures, where to get money - the state should help. In this case, state assistance is necessary and justified.
    Try to open your own business in order to take a place in the segment of cell phones, the answer is that the state should help.
    And which economic policy is right? could not explain, but somehow it is vague.
    Tell me how to develop your production. For example, I do not know what to open, production. The whole market is divided, and there is no money, where to get it, the state should help, but where is the guarantee that I will not cut them?
    The countries that you set as an example are not actors in world politics. And on the territory of many, are the occupying military! and these countries are the size of the region of our Russia and even smaller. Mining is not bad, it is also a high-tech production, look at modern oil rigs.
    Now this is the situation in our country that one mistake is all. Answer the question if Putin does not know how to reform and develop production, why will he not let foreign companies enter the Russian market, but adopt laws protecting the domestic manufacturer? (That's just about Putin’s friends, it’s not necessary, world capitalism for resources and the Russian market will prescribe him a prize and he will kill friends in The Hague).
    I am not an ardent fan of Putin. I don’t understand much of what he is doing, but I want critics and accusers to remind you: Russia is a warrior, and the orders of the commander-in-chief are not discussed, but carried out. right is wrong, we will discuss after the victory.
  • Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 19 December 2015 21: 57 New
    0
    I don’t remember where I read it, but not long ago. In Russia, the budget consists of a large share of oil, in England 75% of the budget consists of the services sector, and why when the budget depends on oil is bad. and from services it’s good.
    1. Denimax
      Denimax 19 December 2015 22: 10 New
      +2
      The turnover of money (of their own) in their own country is always buzzing.)
      And when a country works on the export of its resources and depends on other paper money, this is not buzzing.) This means that the working capacity of its citizens is very low. And few people care about raising it.
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 19 December 2015 22: 37 New
        +3
        And why in Russia they can’t follow the path of England, develop hairdressing, beauty salons, law firms and work capacity will increase.
        You probably misled about working capacity, otherwise it turns out that the working capacity of an oilman or a geologist, or a steelworker is lower than that of a hairdresser, waiter, or lawyer.
        It seems to me that this is also not very good, since hairdressers and lawyers do not produce a high-tech product, but carry out their activities only by serving the interests of a certain circle.
        1. Denimax
          Denimax 19 December 2015 23: 22 New
          0
          All kinds of work are needed if they are cost-effective. The professions listed by you are quite necessary. The only problem is unreported rough work. For example, in Germany, even moonshine is driven under license. And you won’t lie down on the couch, they’ll quickly expel you to do something. And everything is registered, otherwise it would be no man.)
          1. Kostya Andreev
            Kostya Andreev 20 December 2015 00: 25 New
            0
            Quote: Denimax
            For example, in Germany, even moonshine is driven under license. And you won’t lie down on the couch, they’ll quickly expel you to do something.

            if it's true. then it is definitely not clear what the USSR is criticized for when they were chasing parasitism.
  • tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 19 December 2015 22: 01 New
    +4
    "... Russia entered 2015 burdened by confrontation ..."

    In 2016, the SGA enter a burdened confrontation with an unexpectedly strong Russia and with the realization that Europe is not so united in supporting the hegemonic course.

    NATO is celebrating the New Year in anticipation of what else will Turkish soak them, not with the ladies, be a member. And how to arrange so that he soaked, but NATO was not responsible for him.

    The Turkish member faces (well, you! I didn’t mean it!) Before the problem: soak now - the Russians will cut off the gas; soak to summer - there will be no tourists at all. Yes, these Kurds!

    Europe is tormented by thoughts whether Erdogan will throw them on their hard-earned 3 lard? Won't refugees accumulate and then shy away through visa-free gates !?

    And who is easy now?
  • Lich
    Lich 19 December 2015 22: 03 New
    +3
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Black
    And I would wish him to be as persistent in solving internal problems as he manifests it in foreign policy ..

    Is everything OK in foreign policy?
    ....
    Who will say that in Russia all this has been added during the time of GDP?
    So what kind of successful foreign policy can we talk about?


    I remember the 90s: America is our friends, Britain is our brothers, France, Canada do not spill water. Glory to Yeltsin, a great foreign political figure. Oh, and how we lived well, we ate caviar in banks. Caviar herring, atalef. HERRING! :)
    1. Gardener91
      Gardener91 19 December 2015 22: 32 New
      +1
      And I served all 90s! Comments need a damn ?!
  • Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 19 December 2015 22: 16 New
    0
    I hope that by the word "intervention" the author meant the NATO countries.
  • Valter1364
    Valter1364 19 December 2015 22: 22 New
    +3
    Two fronts, this is not the limit. There can be many more. And to manipulate their activity, the enemy will depend on the current situation until our complete exhaustion. Until you get it hard.
    But this is not what worries me anymore. They cannot overpower Russia from the outside, the navel will be untied. And not even the fifth column. There are no worthy fighters, only glamorous degenerates.
    More and more annoying is what is inside the Garden Ring.
    Betrayal of the so-called elites.
    God grant that this is not so.
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 19 December 2015 23: 35 New
      +7
      You raised a very serious question! In Russia, the worst enemy is internal. We won’t go far and take Nicholas 2 as an example. We all know the scenario. The weakening of the police and the secret police (read the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KGB), youth who were externally heated, sabotage, a weak biased government, anarchy, terrorist attacks, war and, as a result, a coup (paid October revolution), everything went according to this scenario in the early 90's.
      In our modern world, there is no need to throw bombs at city governors, you can make lawlessness and chaos by 2-3 decrees, paralyze the work of transport, banks and industry, which is called creating a "revolutionary situation."
      Betrayal of the so-called elites.
      It remains to hope for the pros in the special services and the Lord God!
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  • kapitan92
    kapitan92 19 December 2015 22: 35 New
    +4
    Quote: Pirogov
    And what did Russia once have allies? Or did you remember the times of the USSR and the fraternal ,,,, ZIMBABWE ,,,,,

    Explanatory dictionary of the Russian language. D.N. Ushakov

    ally


    One who has entered into an alliance with someone is located with someone. in union. The peasantry is a reliable ally of the working class in the struggle against the autocracy.

    Member of the reactionary monarchist Black Hundred organization "Union of the Russian People" (pre-revolutionary).

    only many Powers of the anti-German coalition during the imperialist war of 1913 - 18 (history)
    The word "ally" in the interpretation of Ushakov's dictionary.
    The CSTO countries are not Russia's allies. "Bratsk" Russia had Ukraine, because it was very expensive for our budget.
  • potalevl
    potalevl 19 December 2015 22: 53 New
    +3
    In a society where the means of production belong to a small group of citizens, the principle of the exploitation of man by man was originally laid down. Such a society in its essence cannot be a society of equal opportunities. In such a society, there will always be economic crises arising from disagreements in the division of labor, in the choice of activities and output, in the distribution of markets, in views on the financial component of economic development. The least affected by economic crises is a society in which the ultimate goal is to achieve prosperity for each member of the society, and this can only be achieved in an equal opportunity society - a socialist one. Throughout the whole history known to us, mankind has developed according to the principle from simple to complex. In the form of a socio-economic formation, it looks like this: primitive-communal system-slave-holding-feudalism-capitalism-socialism. Note socialism is a higher element of social development than capitalism, and not vice versa. Having destroyed the USSR, and with it the entire socialist system, the capitalists stopped the development of mankind at its lower level, and some countries of Asia and Africa generally remained at the feudal level. Only a return to a higher stage of development of society can lead humanity out of the economic crisis into which capitalism is stubbornly drawing it.
    1. Extraneous
      Extraneous 20 December 2015 01: 46 New
      0
      Socialism in its Soviet execution is a variant of feudalism, where millions of farm laborers provided hundreds of feudal lords. The difference is only in the general technological level and the proclaimed ideology.
      1. Just BB
        Just BB 20 December 2015 06: 19 New
        0
        If the walls are erected, but there is no roof, windows, doors - it's hard to call it house - it's just construction
        And each (new secretary general) tried to change the project and greatly accelerate the construction.
        "In a hurry, you will make people laugh!"
        or according to Chernomyrdin: "As always!"

        They forgot the founders (Marx and Engels) and rejoiced: "We have already built everything!"
        We have the result today (or vice versa)
  • garik647
    garik647 19 December 2015 23: 10 New
    +4
    And I would wish him to be as persistent in solving internal problems as he manifests it in foreign policy ..

    Gold words..
  • Severok
    Severok 19 December 2015 23: 21 New
    +2
    Vovka is a hammer, that's just Dimka, a goat, heh. It's time to give pendal to some in the government: the Ministry of Education and Science, the Ministry of Health and Social Development, the Ministry of Agriculture .... Governors must be pulled under the Adder so that the glasses do not rub, sv.ch, otherwise they have an average wage in the north as much as 40 t .r., when it is real only 20-23 tr, and the rent and heating from this s \ board leave laughter and rye crumbs on the table.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 19 December 2015 23: 45 New
    +3
    Strange, a year ago they said that sanctions did not affect at all and there would be no crisis. That Ukraine is a cunning plan and soon it will all be ours. What changed? Some kind of war, and even on two fronts that this author allows himself, Putin said all is well.
  • MsRedMaster
    MsRedMaster 20 December 2015 00: 24 New
    +1
    He said, I say and I will say that we will have a crisis until we establish domestic production, agriculture, tourism, etc. If the state’s internal economic policy is right, they don’t give a damn about world prices for oil and gas. Until a fig of developed countries they live without their PRODUCTION. And live well, having a very powerful economy.
    - This is nonsense, tourists themselves disappear (who goes to a country that has set itself up against everyone), agriculture is powerful, but it can be replaced without offense, tourism in the domestic market is effective (for Russia), OUTSIDE, it’s unlikely for us will go from abroad !?
    Well, you need to develop, But I would choose the direction of electronics!
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 20 December 2015 03: 56 New
      +1
      Well, you need to develop, But I would choose the direction of electronics!


      In vain do you deny the possibility of developing sports tourism in Russia (in our Altai, nearby, the same ski resorts can be located quite comfortably). I personally saw with what pleasure the Norwegian and American fishermen caught salmon on the Titovka River (Murmansk Region) and released it back, at a time when the issue was very acute with food in my family.

      There is such a good line: the production of environmentally friendly products. Where is agriculture and harvesting of forest gifts (Do you know how in Japan they love bracken growing on the open spaces of Siberia and the Far East? I don’t talk about mushrooms and berries, the field is not plowed here).

      The electronics industry is by itself. Where the rocket with Chinese chips will fly we have already seen. There is only furniture production, production of building materials ...

      It is fashionable to ask about the production of electricity, even water is not enough everywhere ...

      The main thing is to determine priorities. The defense industry produces good results (and profitable production and requires highly skilled workers) ...

      Machine tool industry? Aircraft industry? Well, space in the end. We were the first to send Gagarin in flight and will work at a foreign station?

      The main thing is the state approach and the state (truly state) attitude to all matters in the country. To remove these businessmen who are worth their welfare and increase their capital at the expense of state reserves and human resources of the country ...
  • krivoalexk
    krivoalexk 20 December 2015 00: 55 New
    0
    Crisis, crisis. Nothing like that, let’s go through it.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 20 December 2015 03: 36 New
      0
      The crisis ... The devastation ... Yes, it passed, from 1928 to 1941 and from 1945 to 1953 ... until stagnation ... You can go through everything if you go the right way ... Then I remembered:
  • kapitan92
    kapitan92 20 December 2015 01: 18 New
    +4
    ............ The decision to introduce international restrictive measures, approved by a decision of the Council of the European Union, which prohibit the import and export from Crimea and Sevastopol, was adopted by the government of Montenegro, the state publication Pobjeda reported on Saturday.
    "It is prohibited to export products from Crimea and Sevastopol to Montenegro. Direct or indirect financing and financial participation, insurance in connection with the export of products from Crimea and Sevastopol are prohibited. Conscious and deliberate participation in actions whose purpose or consequence will be a violation of the ban is prohibited." quoted by Pobjeda the decision of the government of Montenegro.
    The publication notes that the exception is Crimean products that have passed customs control of the official bodies of Ukraine. Also, citizens and organizations of Montenegro are prohibited from acquiring or increasing their share in existing real estate in the Crimea and Sevastopol.
    "It is forbidden to sell, supply, transport or export products and technologies from citizens of Montenegro or from our territory or by sea or air transport under the flag of Montenegro," the document says ............... .........
    And there are more and more "friends" !!!
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 20 December 2015 01: 56 New
    +1
    At the same time, it is still unclear whether the intervention in Syria will lead to the desired results for Moscow.


    Why print "five columns" on the VO website? To do this, they have, not yet closed, rain, echo, etc.
    paid by mericatos?
    1. Alexander 67
      Alexander 67 20 December 2015 06: 26 New
      0
      Not at all. The bulk of these "five-columnists", eccentric hysterics. And this "tipok" is thoughtful. When Franco mentioned the fifth column, He meant people with similar views and financial interests. And such "feints" can rather be called manipulation. Such methods are used more often by so-called agents of influence. People on the payroll. The technique itself is very common. In formal logic, it is known by the trick: "thesis substitution". And the USA is worked out with the help of the so-called active sales. That is why in America the salespeople are almost known as Santa Claus.
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 20 December 2015 03: 24 New
    0
    Thus, Moscow in 2016 faces the prospect of exacerbating crises on two fronts at once. Putin’s task will in both cases go along the fine line between protecting Russian interests and preventing further intensification of confrontation with the West.


    And in Russia they always knew:
    You’ll chase after two hares - you won’t catch a single one.

    And the task is so difficult: what to choose? where to direct all forces and means? To the West, so as not to be offended and lips not pouted or still stand up for Russian interests, so that people would not be offended and would not ...