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Backstab: madness, challenge or loss of prudence

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Backstab: madness, challenge or loss of prudence



24 November 2015 was widely celebrated in the Russian Federation on the 285 anniversary of the birth of one of the greatest commanders of mankind - Generalissimo Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov.

Russian by birth, Russian in spirit, a great patriot of Russia, who proved her greatness with his whole life and ministry, Suvorov repeatedly said: “... I’m descendants to take my example: start every business with the blessing of God, be faithful to the Sovereign and Fatherland ... to seek fame through truth and virtue ... "

Realizing in practice his “Science of Victory”, he for all his many years history selfless service to the Fatherland has not lost a single battle. Only one more commander could boast of such - Prince Eugene of Savoy, whom Count Suvorov respected, but the prince had not the same scale of battles, and the enemy, I must say, was weaker.

And it was on this day that our “dear Turkish partners” found an opportunity to “congratulate” the Russian people on the anniversary of a person, by the example of which more than one generation grew up.

The Generalissimo, a patriot and a citizen, whose name and affairs led the troops to victory in the battles of World War 1812, formed the invincible spirit of the Soviet people while defending the Motherland in World War II, Suvorov still earns genuine respect in the armies of all nations of the world.

And, probably, it was not without purpose that a “bad business” started up in a respectable state in the East that smacked of something unpretentious.

Fierce foe


However, a bit of history. After the overthrow of the Mongol-Tatar yoke in 1480, a new, even more terrible threat to the Turkish yoke appeared on the foreign policy arena of Russia. Since that time, Russia and Turkey have been irreconcilable opponents. The Crimean khans, as vassals of Turkey, repeatedly made devastating raids on Moscow Russia. Each raid ended with significant troubles, fires and the hijacking of Russian captives. Only in the first half of the XVI century, the Crimean Tatars made more than 40 major raids on Muscovy. After another raid in 1521, the Tsar of All Russia, Vasily III, was forced to sign a humiliating peace treaty in which he acknowledged the dependence of Moscow on the Crimean Khanate and pledged to pay tribute to him. Once again, the damage from the raids was enormous.

Bearing in mind the purpose of the narrative, it should be said that Russia did not conduct so many wars with any state of Asia and Europe as with Turkey.

The Russian-Turkish wars took place with stubborn consistency, were quite long and lasted almost 250 years. Not without the participation of Turkey and then there were problems in the Caucasus. A short peace, as a rule, was not such - these were the years of respite and preparation for a new war. Therefore, Turkey and Russia were in a state of war for almost 350 years.

Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov was one of the few generals in human history who beat the enemy not with a number, but with skill. And how many problems “stamped pasha” (for the natural limping was the name of the Turks with honor of Suvorov) were delivered by the Ottoman Empire, everyone knows perfectly well.

It should be proudly acknowledged that the military successes of Count Alexander Suvorov, as well as diplomatic and political ones - Prince Grigory Potemkin for a long time repulsed the Ottoman "neighbors" to go beyond the Dnieper and ensured the southern sovereignty of the Russian Empire.

And despite the serious and obvious efforts of England and France in the nineteenth century, Turkey for a long time did not decide on any encroachments and careless "views" towards the northern neighbor. First of all, because her campaigns ended with one or another loss of territory inherited from the Ottoman Empire. At the same time, a retrospective of existence, and at some stages and development (and this must be recognized) of Turkey, shows that the pain of Suvorov’s “losses” does not give politicians who determine the existence of this state and who have a short memory, rest to the present. In this connection, the thought of one of Russia's leading political scientists Yevgeny Satanovsky is indicative: “Erdogan apparently forgot that for such actions Turkey over 400 years and lost a significant part of its territory, and the fragment that it controls today remains from it”.

STRANGE POLICY


To be fair, it should be noted that the truly wise leaders appearing in Turkey (unfortunately rather rarely) gave the country a serious impetus to development, as a result of which the state regained its leading position in the region, respect and authority, and not only in the Muslim world.

But the policy pursued in recent years by Turkish President Erdogan and his administration cannot but cause amazement and surprise. It resembles the work of a madman, sawing the bough of the tree on which he sits. The amazement is explained by courage and heroism, and surprise by a lack of understanding of the fact of the unconditional coming fall.

At the same time, it is clear that courage is probably dictated by the hope of help and in the event of which the support of otherworldly, unknown, or any other eventual forces, but the surprise is dictated by the obvious reality. Only an obvious madman will drive the hen that lays the golden eggs from the yard (otherwise the actions of Mr. Erdogan cannot be qualified).

And it is not just words. It was Russia that in many respects ensured that economic growth, thanks to which Turkey entered the rank of state - regional leaders. In addition, the Soviet Union and Russia, as its successor, did everything possible to minimize the Kurdish problem, the problem of the genocide of the ancient Armenian people, the centuries-old problem of relations between Georgia and Turkey, Greece and Turkey, etc.


Russian arms not the first time to prove their superiority over Turkish. Ivan Aivazovsky. Fight in the Strait of Chios. 1848 year. Theodosia Art Gallery named after IK. Aivazovsky

And in response to this good on the holiday (the 285 day of Suvorov’s anniversary), with the approval of the President of Turkey, her armed forces vilely, from behind a corner, struck in the back, which would undoubtedly have far-reaching consequences. Today, one can say anything, but after the "encouragements" of officers of the officers, which are memorable for the Turkish army, the army returned to a state of suspended animation. The absence of any thought and forecast of possible outcomes from these or other actions today shows the willingness of the Turkish military to no doubt execute any order of the commander in chief, even the most insane. But, as one famous movie hero said, “remember the children,” for there may be consequences.

There will be consequences, and there is no doubt about it. This became immediately clear for the tough, but extremely correct and sustained position, which was designated by Russian President Vladimir Putin. This position is obvious, because the state was struck by a state that regained its diplomatic and political sovereignty, a state that, despite all the efforts of the “partners,” successfully, though not without difficulties, regains its economic sovereignty, the state that that you cannot talk to him from a position of strength. This ends up in serious pain!

Since the times of Alexander the Great, wise (!) Rulers and strategists have tried not to aggravate relations with the peoples living on the Central European Plain, for they knew that they could not be defeated, and war with them could lead to the loss of many preferences. There are plenty of testimonies, starting with the Mongol-Tatars and the Crusaders, the Poles, the Swedes, Napoleon, right up to Hitler - all sooner or later, but they got theirs.

As a result, the warriors who went to Russia, then bequeathed to the descendants of this no longer do. But it is clear that Russia, with its riches, attracts every evil that, realizing that there will be no gain in open battle, seeks to surreptitiously, treacherously, in the back to realize dark designs, trying to provoke unreasoned actions.

But let us turn again to the retrospective. Conducting a short-sighted policy in the 40 of the twentieth century, Turkey could justifiably lose its independence, and when she joined NATO in February 1952, it was obvious to everyone that the bloc was solving the problem of penetrating traditional Islamic territory to counter "Soviet expansion" in the region, and Turkey maintains seeming independence.

But, as time has shown, the entry of Turkey has created more problems for the block than has brought benefits. These or other steps by the Turkish leadership have repeatedly exacerbated the situation in NATO. In particular, Turkey’s invasion of Cyprus in 1974 led to the withdrawal of Greece from NATO command structures before 1980. The problem of exacerbation of relations with Greece arises from time to time, especially if one considers the constant violations by Turkish aircraft of the Greek airspace.

It should be noted that Turkey sins violations not only in relation to Greece. In 2012, Syria shot down a Turkish aircraft, which quite obviously and very defiantly invaded its airspace. But Turkey would not be Turkey if, as a “retaliatory measure against the Syrian shelling that took place”, did not open artillery fire on government targets in Syria. Later, in the last three and a half years alone, Turkey shot down about a dozen Syrian airplanes, helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles, allegedly for violating its airspace.

Thus, trying to pass for the innocent victim of certain circumstances, in fact, Turkey simply uses NATO membership to achieve its own political goals, which in general do not coincide with the interests of the alliance. In addition, by positioning itself as a secular state as a whole, Turkey is increasingly slipping into Islamism. But almost all of the civilized world has a steady understanding that the Islamists pose a serious threat to civilization.

HONEY SPEECH AND BITTING ACTION


Russia, like no other country, has experienced all the “charms” of the Islamist threat. And in many ways, the realization of these threats was made possible thanks to the “wise” policy of Turkey. It was in Turkey that gangsters (recall the 1500 “trainees”, directed by Maskhadov to master true knowledge), who later “distinguished themselves” in the Chechen Republic, Dagestan, explosions and human lives in Moscow, Kaspiysk and many other things were seriously trained.

Now, Turkey has entered into an alliance with the IG, supporting it not only morally, but above all financially, supplying weapons and ammunition, providing treatment and rest for the “fighters for the faith”, buying and selling very cheap oil.

Indicative from the point of view of democracy is the fact that two reputable journalists in Turkey are criminally liable, one of whom the Turkish president asks to “solder” two life sentences for terrorist activities and espionage. And in fact, just because they took off and showed the story about the transfer of artillery ammunition, mines and weapons to the militants of the IG in Turkey.

This is where the basic principles of a democratic state, such as openness, tolerance, transparency, are manifested, which is what our partners in NATO and the United States are so famous for.

At the same time, the position of Russia, which our transparent partners have surrounded from all sides with their “care” and “trust”, is understandable to the whole world. This position reflects all the main provisions of the UN Charter and is aimed at ensuring peaceful and good-neighborly relations, nothing more. That is why in the West most ordinary people admire Vladimir Putin and thank him for his restraint, clear and intelligible policies and absolutely understandable actions in the economy, construction and re-equipment of the Armed Forces.

Even such a “sincerely loving” Russia man, like NATO Secretary General General Jens Stoltenberg, said: “The European security system has become less stable. What happened ... a serious incident that requires calm and diplomacy. It shows that we must strengthen the mechanisms that can prevent such incidents ... In order to ensure the stability of Europe in the long term, modernization of the European security mechanism is required ... ”

It would seem that quite recently, just two months ago, Turkish President Recep Erdogan at the opening in Moscow of a new mosque assured President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin of friendship and the desire to expand economic cooperation. In addition, it was said that the views of the two leaders in general on the localization of the Syrian crisis coincide.

However, a backstab shows how deceptive the impression of joint photographs, handshakes and greetings can be, because after just a few days Erdogan changed his mind and said that "the Turkish position on the Syrian issue remains unchanged." Apparently, star fever, and perhaps “copper pipes” and personal interest in the oil flow from the IG do not allow the President of Turkey to ensure the victory of reason over emotions.

Recently, Erdogan’s statements convincingly indicate that the mind is gradually leaving the gray-haired head. What is worth only his statements that Ankara is ready to abandon the purchase of Russian gas and cancel contracts for the construction of power plants, the cost of which is estimated at 20 billion. Another economic value in the trade and tourism business is estimated at several billion dollars. This should also include the damage from the "strike" on Turkish exports to Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Mongolia, which goes through Russia, also somewhere around $ 2 billion.

Based on the concept of a stab in the back of our partners, the topic of “random” support for the Democratic Party of the Syrian Kurds and especially its combat wing, the People’s Self-Defense Committees, which, along with the Kurdistan Workers Party (RKK) in Turkey, is officially advantageous for Russia to terrorist organizations. However, it is the Kurds who manage to most successfully conduct ground combat operations against the IS. And it is precisely the military formations of the Kurdish militias that are considered the most likely force capable of accomplishing the liberation of Al-Raqqi, the capital of the IG. However, the recognition of the Kurdish militia and the supply of weapons to it are perceived by Turkey as an unequivocal benefit to terrorists. This is really amazing.

Thus, with its visible and hidden actions, Turkey in a fairly short time managed to form a whole tangle of problems, which in one way or another would have to be spun by NATO. At the same time, the block is not at all interested in a conflict with Russia.

Politicians are well aware that the conflict initiated by Turkey threatens to disrupt the international negotiations on the Syrian issue, which slowly but still began to bring the first results. Everyone is well aware that only trust and agreement between the parties on the further localization of the conflict in Syria will prevent further escalation of tensions and prevent the catastrophic consequences that may arise as a result of a military clash.

In conclusion, I would like to say that the clearly verified position of Russia, designated by the President of the Russian Federation, the ministries of defense and foreign affairs of Russia, evoke respect and understanding throughout the world. At the same time, the desire of "proud" states to the ancestors' laurels today is akin to a loss of prudence.

From the authors. I would like to advise Mr. Erdogan to read the coming “The Science of Prudence, or the Pocket Oracle” by Baltasar Gracian at bedtime. The book has been written for a long time, but it is for people who lose touch with reality. Sometimes sobering.
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  1. venaya
    venaya 19 December 2015 15: 10 New
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    NATO countries were able to get together in the straits and all the hemorrhoids of an openly Islamic state, not without reason they do not want to let Turkey into the EU under any pretext.
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 19 December 2015 15: 23 New
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      "... I ask you to take posterity to take my example: to begin any business with the blessing of God, to be faithful to the Sovereign and the Fatherland before exhaustion ... to seek glory through truth and virtue ..."


      There is nothing to add. Great memory and Glory to Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov !!!
      We will fulfill his mandate!
      1. Altona
        Altona 19 December 2015 16: 09 New
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        Quote: NIKNN
        There is nothing to add. Great memory and Glory to Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov !!!

        -----------------------
        And not only memory. Such an impression. that Alexander Vasilievich had already left with the inspection in the Russian army, to check his miraculous heroes of the Russian land.
        1. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 19 December 2015 16: 19 New
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          Turkey’s policy now is exorbitant ambitions and reassessment of its capabilities, including its ability to influence US and Russian policies in the Middle East. I don’t even speak about international law, about elementary decency - this country has never been any different.
          "All inclusive" - ​​it came from Turkey. But with such a policy, they will run into something else - "Everything is off."
          1. Sterlya
            Sterlya 19 December 2015 17: 39 New
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            Erdogan leads Turkey to nowhere. Which Atatürk pulled out of there. (Father of the Turks, translation)
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 19 December 2015 18: 29 New
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              And the text of the article
              Turkey entered into an alliance with the Islamic State, supporting it not only morally, but primarily financially, supplying arms and ammunition, providing treatment and relaxation to “fighters for the faith,” buying and selling well, very cheap oil.

              Indicative from the point of view of democracy is the fact that two reputable journalists in Turkey are criminally liable, one of whom the Turkish president asks to “solder” two life sentences for terrorist activities and espionage. And in fact, just because they took off and showed the story about the transfer of artillery ammunition, mines and weapons to the militants of the IG in Turkey.

              It should be noted that the religious Islamist leader of Turkish nationalists Erdogan, narcissistically dreaming of the revival of the medieval "Great Ottoman Empire", in which he himself will prosper in the TSAR way with his kindred clan, do not need journalists and secular politicians, exposing, in essence, Erdogan’s MAJOR crime and its cliques against the peoples of Turkey - namely, the economic privatization of the secular state personally by Erdogan and his own family clan “+” the ideological fulfillment of a creeping coup in Turkey - turning Turkey from a secular state into a religious one - and also extremely Islamic.
              therefore Erdogan Turkey and DIASH - These are economic and ideological conspirators, hidden from all over the world, and even allies. Generally, it WAR criminals.
              Here Zrdogan has EVERYTHING - and his greed for wealth, and the loss of prudence in politics, and a blow to the back of the Turkish people and all those who, in his opinion, are NOT “their own” - all on the verge of a medieval radical religious madness!
            2. V.ic
              V.ic 19 December 2015 19: 21 New
              +6
              Quote: Sterlya
              Turkey That pulled out from there Ataturk

              Mustafa Kemal at that time was just a general and he would have remained if it had not been for the help of the Bolsheviks: "the government of the RSFSR sent the Kemalists 6 rifles, over 5 million rifle cartridges, 17 shells and 600 kg of gold bullion." / alas, taken from * pedi Wikia * /. Askers, despite all the devotion to the "ATA" Turk, would not go into battle against the Greeks for free.
              1. veksha50
                veksha50 19 December 2015 21: 10 New
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                Quote: V.ic
                Askers, despite all the devotion to the "ATA" Turk, would not go into battle against the Greeks for free.



                By the way, the vaunted Janissaries also did not go into battle without money ...
          2. Heritologist
            Heritologist 19 December 2015 20: 51 New
            +7
            Putin, of course, was cunning when he said that he didn’t know with what fright the Turkish leadership decided to bring down our bomber.
            There is no need to be a diplomat of seven spans in the forehead, and so everything is clear. The strings of this act go a little further ... I think our strategy takes this into account.
            1. staviator
              staviator 21 December 2015 13: 27 New
              +1
              He was at a press conference and said about ass licking the US
          3. Samoyed
            Samoyed 20 December 2015 12: 55 New
            +3
            [quote = Stock Officer] Turkey’s policy now is exorbitant ambitions and reassessment of its capabilities .... It is 100% applicable to our Lithuanian politicians. Relocate with all neighbors, and half the population washes dishes over the hill.
        2. cniza
          cniza 19 December 2015 16: 20 New
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          We support the great Suvorov and do not shame his legacy.
          1. Temples
            Temples 19 December 2015 16: 35 New
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            "... I ask you to take posterity to take my example: to begin any business with the blessing of God, to be faithful to the Sovereign and the Fatherland before exhaustion ... to seek glory through truth and virtue ..."


            There is nothing to add. Great memory and Glory to Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov !!!
            We will fulfill his mandate!


            But there is no Tsar, and the Fatherland plays democracy and every six years he “chooses” a new helmsman.
            To be faithful to gasping for each new person in the Kremlin will not work - one life, not enough for everyone.
            So it’s not clear how you will fulfill the order.
            I’m already living in a second country, not leaving my native place.
            And what lies ahead only the Lord knows.

            Punishment for those in power.

            In the meantime, we will be proud of the glorious sons of the glorious Fatherland.
            And choose, elect, guess, again choose for the glory of the Fatherland and for the good of the chosen!

            God willing, the Tsar will return to our land.
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      2. Inok10
        Inok10 19 December 2015 17: 15 New
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        .. to all Heroes of the wars with Turkey! .. and there were almost 12 ! .. soldier
        One of Aivazovsky’s famous paintings is “The Battle of the Mercury Brig with the Turkish Courts.” This battle took place on May 14, 1829. The 18-gun brig Mercury, cruising off the coast of the Bosphorus, unexpectedly met with two linear Turkish ships.
        At the suggestion of the enemy, the brig commander captain-lieutenant A.I. Kazarsky decided to join the battle and, if necessary, explode with one of the enemy ships.
        The Russian ship had 18 guns against 184 enemy ones.
        Skillfully maneuvering and preventing the enemy from taking advantage of tenfold superiority in artillery, the Mercury brigade inflicted such defeats on enemy ships that after a 3-hour battle they stopped the pursuit. The feat of the brig Mercury aroused not only the general admiration of the compatriots, but also recognition by the adversary of the moral superiority of the Russian sailors.
        One of the Turkish navigators participating in the battle wrote: “If great deeds of courage are found in the great deeds of ancient and modern times, then this action should be darkened all the others, and the name of this hero should be inscribed in gold letters on the Temple of Glory: it is called the captain-lieutenant Kazarsky and brig Mercury.
        In commemoration of this feat in Sevastopol on the sea boulevard there is a monument with the inscription: "To the Kazarsky. Offspring as an example."
        .. Honor and glory ! .. hi
      3. Ivan_ich
        Ivan_ich 19 December 2015 18: 49 New
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        - Do not go, Suvorov, through the Alps,
        - Napoleon told him.
        - Here your eagles will leave the scalps,
        I have troops here - a million.
        I tell you as a colleague
        As a strategist to a strategist I say
        Here yours will freeze the Pechenegs
        To the embarrassment of the Russian Tsar.
        I know you're used to fighting fierce
        Get Victoria with a bayonet
        But waving under old age alpenstock
        You need to be the last fool.
        But the stubborn showing of temper,
        In a military shaped fight,
        Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov
        I thought to myself: “Fuck you.”
        And the brightest burst like a cannon,
        So that everything inside broke: -
        Soldiers, brava guys,
        Miracle you are my heroes!
        Should the usurper be afraid ?!
        God will not betray, the pig will not gobble up!
        Where didn’t our disappear, brothers ?!
        Do, Orthodox, like me!
        And, with the sign of the cross,
        The count was the first to slip on the slope
        This moment on the canvas known
        Surikov, as he could, displayed.
        So Bonaparte's card was covered
        Not for a penny, sorry, not a centime. ...
        Since then we have been in winter sports
        We do the Frenchman as we want.
        I. Irteniev
        1. BLACK-SHARK-64
          BLACK-SHARK-64 20 December 2015 15: 22 New
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          excellent !!!! bully
      4. bekjan
        bekjan 19 December 2015 21: 37 New
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        For our daddy !!!
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 19 December 2015 15: 24 New
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      insanity, challenge or loss of prudence

      A good article, a little pompous of course, but that's the point, and these Erdogans have a short memory. Each vegetable has its own time and this Turkish Hitler will get his own.
      1. SSR
        SSR 19 December 2015 16: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: vovanpain
        insanity, challenge or loss of prudence

        A good article, a little pompous of course, but that's the point, and these Erdogans have a short memory. Each vegetable has its own time and this Turkish Hitler will get his own.

        Putin at a press conference said that he had recently helped Erdogan don u solve one delicate problem ...... I think the same way Putin can talk with the United States and China and with others and bash, you’re here in Turkey and I’m in Korea ..... Well, approximately. They can, they do and they will do it, and for some reason I’m sure that the GDP will find someone to talk to and agree to pour Erdogan Don a into the toilet
      2. BLACK-SHARK-64
        BLACK-SHARK-64 20 December 2015 15: 24 New
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        red pepper in the ass .... he forgot how captive Turks Cossacks inserted the pepper, and then released on foot .... am
    3. Uran
      Uran 19 December 2015 15: 43 New
      +6
      by anotomy erdogan don. very similar to hitler
      1. midivan
        midivan 19 December 2015 16: 21 New
        +6
        Quote: Uranus
        by anotomy erdogan don. very similar to hitler

        Erdogan don. not enough prefix -gan- (weapon) wink
        1. staviator
          staviator 21 December 2015 13: 29 New
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          prefix in last name laughing
    4. Altona
      Altona 19 December 2015 16: 08 New
      +6
      Quote: venaya
      NATO countries managed to get together in the straits

      ----------------------------
      It seems that a little more of this behavior and straits will either be radically expanded according to the version of Andrei Gromyko, or will generally take place elsewhere.
    5. self-propelled
      self-propelled 19 December 2015 16: 31 New
      +4
      Quote: venaya
      NATO countries were able to get together in the straits and all the hemorrhoids of an openly Islamic state, not without reason they do not want to let Turkey into the EU under any pretext.

      what’s most interesting - the "members" did not receive straits (the "members" have a "pension certificate" for preferential travel (or rather passage) through the straits, but no more). but the current hemorrhoids have grown thanks to the "hot blood" of the Turks. In addition, NATO has realized that Russia has "candles for hemorrhoids" ...
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      2. a.hamster55
        a.hamster55 19 December 2015 17: 33 New
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        We have not only candles, but also a flashlight fellow
    6. ty60
      ty60 19 December 2015 16: 35 New
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      A six-year-old child carries a broken airplane in his hands. When asked by Mom, what happened? Answer: The Turks shot down him!
    7. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 19 December 2015 17: 48 New
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      ... a clearly verified position of Russia, indicated by the president of the Russian Federation ...

      - All this is understandable, but the position towards the Turkish leadership was expressed in the verb of Putin “licked” even more clearly. Stormy applause!
      1. Serg koma
        Serg koma 19 December 2015 18: 47 New
        +2
        «nothing is eternal under the Moon"- GDP, referring to the current leadership of Turkey.
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        Stormy applause!
    8. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 19 December 2015 20: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: venaya
      NATO countries managed to get together in straits and all the hemorrhoids of an openly Islamic state

      Under the fire of the Russian Aerospace Forces, "US innocent money" perishes
    9. Sirs
      Sirs 20 December 2015 14: 55 New
      0
      the article is just complete slag !!!!! Remember this woman who has a beard and a member attached herself! here is the one with this article! Who will understand me well done.
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    11. siberalt
      siberalt 22 December 2015 13: 06 New
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      It's time to do Constantinople from Istanbul again. laughing
  2. iouris
    iouris 19 December 2015 15: 15 New
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    This is a political calculation. Turkey is not a partner, but a competitor, an adversary, even an enemy, possibly even a fierce one.
    Russia - a fragment of the USSR - is seen as prey. Another question is that Turkey is not the ultimate authority. If someone does not understand, this is his problem.
    1. dorz
      dorz 19 December 2015 15: 22 New
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      Who is scared is half beaten.
      A.V. Suvorov
      1. vex
        vex 19 December 2015 15: 29 New
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        Right. And our strength, our victories are in the offensive. When we advanced, we were strong, when we made peace with Western cheaters - we lost. Even when the right is one hundred percent behind us, the West does not recognize this right, so you need to bend your own and expand our presence and allies by force.
        Without "Beech" science does not go (to the west).
    2. kil 31
      kil 31 19 December 2015 15: 26 New
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      And it was on this day that our “dear Turkish partners” found an opportunity to “congratulate” the Russian people on the anniversary of a person, by the example of which more than one generation grew up.
      Why talk about the Turkish nationalists. I do not see anything surprising. If we have them registered in history as aggressors and occupiers. Politics and economics are one thing, nationalists are another. For example, I support interaction in politics and economics with Germany. But on the other side there are also people who hate Stalin and regret that they lost the war and lost Keningsberg. And I'm not going to celebrate Hitler's birthday in April. It is better in those same days to celebrate the birthday of Lenin.
      1. sichevik
        sichevik 19 December 2015 16: 33 New
        +6
        Well, I don’t know those in Germany. He worked with the Germans a little over five years. He visited Germany on business trips. Normal, adequate people. Very friendly to the Russians. Moreover, they consider Russians as Ukrainians, Belarusians, and Moldavians ... Almost everyone with whom Hitler had to communicate is considered a criminal. True, only one is blamed for everything. And the remaining Germans of that time are considered deceived by Hitlerite propaganda. As for me, Nazism and fascism are not held in high esteem now. Although with the current policy of Frau Angela, revanchist sentiments appear. For the behavior of all these refugees and migrants provokes the revival of Nazism among the Germans.
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 19 December 2015 19: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: sichevik
          Well, I don’t know those in Germany.

          Quote: sichevik
          Almost everyone with whom Hitler had to communicate is considered a criminal

          Quote: sichevik
          the remaining Germans of that time are considered deceived by Hitlerite propaganda.

          I wonder who this Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya hung up?
          1. sichevik
            sichevik 19 December 2015 21: 21 New
            +4
            I wonder who Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya hung it? [/ Quote]
            Well, about the same questions I asked them. They start to turn on the fool and really regret it. Something similar is happening right now on the outskirts. Persistent maydauns are atrocious, and as you have to keep the answer, they will begin to blame the junta for everything ... It has always been like this, it is, it always will be.
          2. staviator
            staviator 21 December 2015 13: 34 New
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            By the way, Zoya surrendered to the Germans the peasants, it is a fact and what they had to do if she burned their stables with sheds
        2. veksha50
          veksha50 19 December 2015 21: 19 New
          +2
          Quote: sichevik
          As for me, Nazism and fascism are not held in high esteem now.



          Hmm ... I don’t argue ... But then what about the permission the other day to publish in Germany the book by A. Hitler "Mine Kampf" (My struggle) ??? After all, how many years she was banned ...

          PS Although, to be honest, a rhetorical question: in the 90s, she was fluent in Russian translation in Moscow on book ruins ...

          Well, the fact that different migrants provoke the manifestation of nationalism is also true ...
        3. Old old
          Old old 20 December 2015 00: 29 New
          +1
          Almost everyone with whom Hitler had to communicate is considered a criminal.

          And they are going to study Mine Kampf in schools. And the unpunished Nazis on Nuremberg continued to serve in the Bundeswehr.
          1. BLACK-SHARK-64
            BLACK-SHARK-64 20 December 2015 15: 32 New
            0
            but most were in the usa and canada ..... am
    3. Altona
      Altona 19 December 2015 16: 11 New
      +7
      Quote: iouris
      Turkey is not a partner, but a competitor, an adversary, even an enemy,

      ---------------------
      Not Turkey’s enemy, but Erdogan and Davut-oglu are two miserable, insignificant miserables ..
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 19 December 2015 21: 20 New
        +4
        Quote: Altona
        Not Turkey’s enemy, but Erdogan and Davut-oglu are two miserable, insignificant miserables ..



        Well, the Turks at the grassroots, national level, are also far from friends ...
    4. Lord of Wrath
      Lord of Wrath 19 December 2015 16: 20 New
      21
      It is worth recalling (and really REMEMBER) how radically the Turks solve problems with national minorities in their territories:
      - Armenian Genocide in 1914-1923
      - the genocide of the Greeks 1915-1923 and the Istanbul pogrom 1955, which led to the emigration of 200 000 Greeks
      1987 Kurdish Genocide to the Present
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 19 December 2015 17: 34 New
        +9
        Quote: Lord of Wrath
        - Armenian Genocide in 1914-1923
        - Greek genocide 1915-1923
        1987 Kurdish Genocide to the Present

        Do not forget about the genocide of the Assyrians (about 500 thousand people) and Russian Molokans (about 200 thousand people) ...

        And we must pay tribute to the Armenians - they destroyed the main instigators of the 1915 massacre ...
        1. Karlos
          Karlos 19 December 2015 18: 17 New
          0
          Operation Nemesis
      2. uge.garik
        uge.garik 19 December 2015 18: 15 New
        +3
        ... they are still for Byzantium We will be "answered" ..!
        1. uge.garik
          uge.garik 19 December 2015 18: 50 New
          0
          ... and the Greeks for Constantinople ..!
          1. staviator
            staviator 21 December 2015 13: 39 New
            0
            By the way, the Greek forecaster the elder from New Athos predicted that there will be a war with the Turks for 2,5 years and Constantinople will again become Greek
            http://sv-afon.orthodoxy.ru/svjatye/paisi_af/paisiy.htm
        2. uge.garik
          uge.garik 19 December 2015 18: 56 New
          0
          ... and also for the liberation of Bulgaria, one needs to “ask” them ..!
        3. V.ic
          V.ic 19 December 2015 19: 33 New
          0
          Quote: uge.garik
          . They are still for Byzantium We will be "answered".

          1204 year, remember, just in case, the Turk then "did not stand by" ...
          1. Lord of Wrath
            Lord of Wrath 19 December 2015 21: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: V.ic
            1204 year, remember, just in case, the Turk then "did not stand by" ...

            the Turks need to remember 1453, and in 1204 the crusaders came less than 60 years
      3. Drmadfisher
        Drmadfisher 19 December 2015 18: 49 New
        +1
        The general rehearsal for the horrors of the Armenian Genocide of 1915 was the genocide of the Thracian Bulgarians of 1913.
  3. arsenks
    arsenks 19 December 2015 15: 19 New
    33
    Yes, with the memory of the Ottomans is not good or they are stupid people are finished ... First, think, and then do this, but they have the opposite ...
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 19 December 2015 16: 24 New
      +5
      Such a vacation would be optimal!
  4. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 19 December 2015 15: 21 New
    16
    ..............
  5. Egor123
    Egor123 19 December 2015 15: 24 New
    +4
    Backstab: madness, challenge or loss of prudence


    In my opinion, all at once ...
    They apparently forgot the past ...
  6. AlexSK
    AlexSK 19 December 2015 15: 24 New
    19
    -------------------------
  7. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 19 December 2015 15: 24 New
    10
    Despite the complicated history and the presence of many Islamists in the country, it was Erdogan and his party who turned the country of Ataturk into the snake nest of terrorists and their sponsors. This crazy adventurer and confused suicide is still opposed by healthy forces in the army, business and the liberal strata. The madness of Ottoman. caused by the reeling of his throne, and reasonable help to healthy forces will return the country to the principles of Ataturk.
    1. am808s
      am808s 19 December 2015 20: 45 New
      +3
      You are mistaken, the Turkish army is pressed in and will do everything that it is ordered. Even if it is ordered to cut the people of Turkey!
  8. avvg
    avvg 19 December 2015 15: 25 New
    +7
    Erdogan simply could not stand his nerves when the Russian Aerospace Forces stepped on his tail, bombed his business and he burst out. Nothing more than just business.
  9. tanit
    tanit 19 December 2015 15: 25 New
    +3
    But indeed. "For people who have lost reality" - just the very thing it is.
    And not a "worldwide conspiracy" hi
  10. Extraneous
    Extraneous 19 December 2015 15: 26 New
    -10
    Erdogan, whoever says anything there is a patriot of his country. For this he can be respected. He enjoys the support of the bulk of the population of Turkey - this is a fact. From the point of view of the Turks, they are doing exactly what Russia does in matters of Crimea and Ukraine. Hence Erdogan’s surprise at Putin’s reaction to the marketed SU-24. In his opinion, Russia should have understood its motives, due to the interests of Turkey in the region and to discuss possible compromises in deciding the fate of Syria.
    In addition, the decision to attack our aircraft was actually made not by Erdogan, but by the states. This is understandable without chewing the reasons for such actions. Erdogan is a performer, although very interested. He hoped that his loyal position on the issues of the Crimea and the Outskirts would be taken into account and would “respect” his interests in Syria.
    The calculation of support for NATO and the EU was not justified and Erdogan was forced, as a fairly independent player, to enter into a direct confrontation with Russia and the United States. His character and beliefs do not allow to do otherwise. Moreover, it is worth considering the domestic political factor of Erdogan’s actions. He cannot abandon plans to build a new Ottoman Empire, because this is the basis of his domestic policy. To make concessions to Russia is to fail your policy and lose the support of the people.
    He will, of course, be displaced. This is almost a settled matter. The United States will not tolerate his disobedience. But I would not look at Erdogan as a clown.
    1. MSL
      MSL 19 December 2015 15: 36 New
      10
      WELL AND LOGIC!
      You!
      Quote: Stranger
      Erdogan, whoever says anything there is a patriot of his country


      Quote: Stranger
      In addition, the decision to attack our aircraft was actually made not by Erdogan, but by the states.
      1. Extraneous
        Extraneous 19 December 2015 15: 50 New
        12
        Patriotism is not a reason to turn off the brain and not use logic. To win, the enemy must be understood and respected. Misunderstanding the basis of certain enemy actions leads to a misinterpretation of his strategy and leads to errors in his actions, which ultimately may result in defeat.
        Because of this, Putin achieves success with his policy because he understands the roots of opponents' strategies and the motives of certain decisions. And one cannot blame him for disrespect for his “partners”.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 19 December 2015 16: 30 New
          +4
          Quote: Stranger
          Patriotism is not a reason to turn off the brain and not use logic.

          I’m the only one in your post who doesn’t agree that Erdogan will be ousted, first of all they tried to do it, remember the similarity of the velvet revolutions in Istanbul a couple of years ago - he had the guts to figure it out and win the election after that, and once again I agree this is a very serious enemy with character and treachery, and shouting cheers it does not take it at all .. The Turks consider the north of Syria their land, which they punished for the sympathy for the Nazis during the 2 MV along with the Turkmens ..
          1. Extraneous
            Extraneous 19 December 2015 16: 49 New
            +4
            Erdogan's problem is that he has already entered into a confrontation with the states on the issue of Kurds. Those Kurds are needed as air and Erdogan’s bombing lead to the fact that the United States will simply be forced to replace it. The intensification of the internal opposition and the increasing number of "revelations" in the Turkish media clearly indicates that a change of power is being prepared.
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 19 December 2015 17: 09 New
              +2
              Quote: Stranger
              Those Kurds are needed as air and the bombing of Erdogan lead to the fact that the United States will simply be forced to replace it.

              Firstly, I would not unnecessarily demonize the states and their omnipotence .. The change of Erdogan is objectively unprofitable for them, they will receive more dividends if they still manage to push us with their foreheads against the Turks, it is quite suitable for this. This is still prevented by the general confusion in Syria with an unknown ending and an unclear position of the states.
        2. V.ic
          V.ic 19 December 2015 19: 41 New
          0
          Quote: Stranger
          Patriotism is not a reason to turn off the brain and not use logic.

          And if "do not turn off the brain and do not use logic," then patriotism is useless ????? Are you sure about that?
      2. ty60
        ty60 19 December 2015 16: 43 New
        +4
        Logic is not indisputable, but Erdogan has no options for retreat.
    2. Homo
      Homo 19 December 2015 15: 40 New
      10
      Quote: Stranger
      Erdogan, whoever says anything there is a patriot of his country. For this he can be respected.

      Strongly said, and Hitler is also a patriot, and he also needs to be respected?
      1. Extraneous
        Extraneous 19 December 2015 15: 43 New
        -10
        Do you doubt it?
        1. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 19 December 2015 16: 00 New
          +1
          Do you doubt it?

          learn materiel ... hi
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 19 December 2015 16: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: Yuyuka
            learn materiel

            A long time ago, this zamylennoe expression did not come across ..)))
        2. max702
          max702 19 December 2015 16: 03 New
          +7
          Quote: Stranger
          Do you doubt it?

          And how did his patriotism for his country and people end up in the know? Indeed, thanks to him, the German people are on the verge of degeneration, the country is 70 years in occupation and no prospects are expected .. Patriot in a word ..
          1. Extraneous
            Extraneous 19 December 2015 16: 35 New
            +5
            The fact that Hitler’s ideology turned out for Germany and the fact that he attacked the USSR does not at all cancel his patriotism. The enemy, according to your reasoning, can neither be a patriot, nor a person with brains and beliefs? A kind of brainless blank on the throne ?.
            Hitler is an enemy. The enemy is smart enough to capture all of Europe and make it work for itself. Our hatred of him does not mean that we should be blind and deaf. The cap-bailing turned into enormous losses in the 41st.
            So, shouting cheers on every occasion and barking at those who I don't like, I personally consider a manifestation of some limited perception of the world.
            My brains are given to use them. Let ideologists and propagandists use templates and stamps.
          2. S_last
            S_last 19 December 2015 20: 20 New
            +3
            Well, just for the sake of objectivity, I want to note that the German people are not so gloomy with the prospects. In the meantime, the grandchildren of the winner write Porsche cars sweepingly, who made tanks during the Second World War, thanks to my grandfather for the victory, they have nothing to fear. And what is the saddest thing about Porsche? These are bought with money stolen precisely from these very grandfathers, and this is to the question of patriotism.
        3. Homo
          Homo 20 December 2015 01: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: Stranger
          Do you doubt it?

          "Patriot" Hitler began his patriotic actions with the construction of concentration camps, apparently for insufficiently patriotic Germans.
    3. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 19 December 2015 16: 06 New
      -5
      you can’t say such seditious words on this site: Erdogan is a patriot.
      read the comments of the marshals, stock up a couple of dozen pictures with bears, in short - correct.
      1. Extraneous
        Extraneous 19 December 2015 16: 45 New
        +7
        : o) I am not so vain to seek marshals. What I think, then I write. If not very politically correct, it’s the cost of having your own thinking. I think - I'm not the only one trying to comprehend what is happening in the world around us. Just not everyone decides to speak directly and prefer Aesopian language.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 19 December 2015 17: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: Stranger
          : o) I am not so vain as to seek marshals.


          bad

          .. a book for a future dream to read .. is it a perdogan? .. yes it’s better to lick better


          Here is an example of the slogan and thinking of the future "marshal" in a couple of months ..
          Are you talking about logic and your own opinion? laughing
      2. ty60
        ty60 19 December 2015 16: 47 New
        +7
        Inside Turkey, he LOOKS as a patriot for a simple layman who has not yet been touched by the results of economic sanctions. The reaction will begin closer to spring following a tourist reservation.
        1. samarin1969
          samarin1969 19 December 2015 17: 08 New
          +6
          Was "Winter is near," now "SUMMER is just around the corner"?
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 19 December 2015 17: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: samarin1969
            "SUMMER - Soon"?

            Even the mountains themselves would be to see)) and there not far to the summer)))
        2. S_last
          S_last 19 December 2015 20: 30 New
          +1
          Dear, finish already the blizzard to drive about the ruined tourist industry of Turkey. Think about the Russian one, it is certainly not as important as tanks and missiles, but people work there, not Turks. And do not already find it hard to see the trade balance with Turkey. At least in order to realize, the Turks buy from us 2 times more than they sell, with the entire travel industry and many millions of tourists from Nizhny Tagil.
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 19 December 2015 22: 22 New
            -2
            Quote: S_last
            Turks buy from us 2 times more than they sell, with the entire travel industry and many millions of vacationers from Nizhny Tagil.


            Hooray to patriots, this is not interesting!
        3. a housewife
          a housewife 20 December 2015 00: 53 New
          +8
          The patriot seeks to do everything so that his country flourishes, even if it doesn’t bring him benefits. But is a patriot a man who uses his position only for personal enrichment, even if the country suffers, let it be drawn into the war, let its own people drown in blood, even drown others, but under patriotic slogans.
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    5. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 19 December 2015 16: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Stranger
      Erdogan, whoever says anything there is a patriot of his country.

      Now the so-called "patriots" the answering machine "friend or foe" will turn on (on the phrase Erdogan-patriot) and it will start to sound like a stop signal .. even your comments will not be read further, they will stupidly nauseate and they will fulfill their civic duty .. krespina penguin laughing
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 19 December 2015 19: 49 New
        +4
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Now the so-called "patriots" will turn on the answering machine "friend or foe"

        You relate your profile of thinking with the word patriot in the "enclosed" version or without it? I suspect that “quotation marks” are closer and nicer to you.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 20 December 2015 02: 44 New
          -7
          Quote: V.ic
          I suspect that “quotation marks” are closer and nicer to you

          You better suspect your wife ..
    6. scientist
      scientist 19 December 2015 16: 57 New
      +7
      Quote: Stranger
      patriot of his country. You can respect him for that.

      Following your logic, Hitler was the greatest patriot. By the way, he also enjoyed the support of most Germans. Maybe you respect him too?
      1. Heimdall48
        Heimdall48 19 December 2015 21: 13 New
        -11
        How not to respect him - he was a smart man. But the enemy of course.
    7. V.ic
      V.ic 19 December 2015 19: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Stranger
      Erdogan’s surprise at Putin’s reaction to the SU-24.

      Excuse me, but who got the Su-24?
    8. Weyland
      Weyland 19 December 2015 21: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: Stranger
      Erdogan, whoever says anything there is a patriot of his country. You can respect him for that.


      The one who, for the sake of his ambitions, is ready to expose his country to nuclear weapons, is never its patriot! And the thirst for revenge for past defeats is far from always good! "Name Russia" - St. Alexander Nevsky - with Batu preferred to maintain the best relations. But to destroy Batu, if he wanted, he had to - just spit (which very few know)! Only Alexander understood that in those conditions Batu was the best option for us ...
    9. Weyland
      Weyland 19 December 2015 21: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Stranger
      Erdogan, whoever says anything there is a patriot of his country. You can respect him for that.


      The one who, for the sake of his ambitions, is ready to expose his country to nuclear weapons, is never its patriot! And the thirst for revenge for past defeats is far from always good! "Name Russia" - St. Alexander Nevsky - with Batu preferred to maintain the best relations. But to destroy Batu, if he wanted, he had to - just spit (which very few know)! Only Alexander understood that in those conditions Batu was the best option for us ...
  11. knn54
    knn54 19 December 2015 15: 26 New
    11
    Namely Erdogan and his party turned the country into a snake nest of terrorists. And all his actions are caused by the swaying of the throne under him.
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 19 December 2015 16: 09 New
      +6
      in fact, the Chechens in the 90s were supported even before Erdogan. then ruled Kemalists from rnp, these are those who are now exposing Erdogan with all kinds of audio and video recordings.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 20 December 2015 01: 11 New
        +2
        As far as I remember, after the coup of 1980, the RNP (and in 1980 -1992 the parties that existed instead of the RNP after its ban) did not come to power.
        1. -Traveller-
          -Traveller- 20 December 2015 23: 02 New
          +1
          the rnP itself is not, but the parties created on its basis and the people who left it were periodically in power, either directly as an edzhevit bullet or in coalition governments.
    2. Pirogov
      Pirogov 19 December 2015 16: 30 New
      +7
      Yes, the Turks at all times have been and are a country supporting Islamists. I generally wonder how long they held, apparently sharpened the knives.
  12. EDDI 76
    EDDI 76 19 December 2015 15: 30 New
    +3
    Meanwhile, Europe and Turkey have closed their skies for our long-range aviation
    1. Extraneous
      Extraneous 19 December 2015 15: 39 New
      +6
      By and large - strategic aviation in Syria has nothing to do. Combat firing conducted. The capabilities of the technology are tested and demonstrated. So the "closure" of the sky does not matter. Moreover, the route was also used around Europe with air refueling in the region of England. Which also served as a good example of the capabilities of the "strategists".
    2. Karayakupovo
      Karayakupovo 19 December 2015 15: 41 New
      +3
      Yes, and to hell with them. "Gauges" can be launched from the sea. And YES can strike from Iran and Iran.
  13. EvgNik
    EvgNik 19 December 2015 15: 34 New
    +9
    Each time, starting a war, Turkey lost part of the territory. And if they dare to stir up this time - they will not have straits.
    1. tanit
      tanit 19 December 2015 15: 40 New
      +5
      Well, why, Ataturk + Vladimir Ilyich - part of the territories still returned. Following the war for independence. hi Armenians are still indignant. Especially school-warriors.
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 19 December 2015 16: 37 New
      -1
      Quote: EvgNik
      they will not have straits.

      Nikolayevich and you decided to wave your sword ?? laughing
      1. alexander 2
        alexander 2 19 December 2015 19: 24 New
        0
        And if the straits will not belong to Turkey, but to Greece, what’s wrong with that?
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 20 December 2015 01: 16 New
          +1
          What is the 10 millionth population of Istanbul? And the population of Greece is XNUMX million.
  14. bad
    bad 19 December 2015 15: 36 New
    +1
    I would like to advise Mr. Erdogan to read the upcoming “Science of Prudence, or the Pocket Oracle” by Baltasar Gracian for a dream. The book was written a long time ago, but for people who are losing touch with reality. Sometimes sobering.
    .. a book for a future dream to read .. is it a perdogan? .. yes it’s better to lick better laughing
    1. rf xnumx
      rf xnumx 19 December 2015 16: 06 New
      14
      Quote: bad
      .. a book for a future dream to read .. is it a perdogan? .. yes it’s better to lick better
      About to lick ..
  15. Roman 25
    Roman 25 19 December 2015 15: 41 New
    +4
    To help the internal protest movements a little, and the “centrifugal force” itself will destroy the ruling elite of Turkey, devoid of reason ... So to speak, the “cold answer” for a stab in the back!
    1. tanit
      tanit 19 December 2015 15: 50 New
      +2
      But alas. It happened - relatively not long ago. And the money is not small (not Russian), that's just the cookies - it wasn’t! Edorgan resisted.
      It does not even help statistics with the Kurds in Turkey. Wah, 35 milenders, oh-wi ... But how many of them consider themselves Kurds from them? Surprise, but not much, about 35 times less than the number of members. hi
      1. alexander 2
        alexander 2 19 December 2015 19: 30 New
        0
        Once resisted, the other can succeed. Moreover, not only we, but also the Americans are dissatisfied with him, which means they will not interfere. The only question is who will come to the place of Edorgan.
      2. V.ic
        V.ic 19 December 2015 19: 57 New
        0
        Quote: tanit
        35 times less than the number of members.

        Something tells me that you have a “mediated” relationship with the military. There have never been units and subunits "numericallywow. "Only: LIST / STAFF.
  16. Senior manager
    Senior manager 19 December 2015 15: 49 New
    +6
    Erdogan reminds his actions of the Polish authorities before WWII. Well, I really want to become the Ottoman Empire under the cover of Fashington in troubled times, but the example of Comrade Hitler’s actions in relation to Poland should alarm the Turkish authorities. And do not forget the sultan’s gentlemen that other people have been appointed “chosen”, and I think the two chosen nations are overkill on such a small globe.
    1. tanit
      tanit 19 December 2015 15: 54 New
      +4
      Well, the Poles did have a chance then ... Let them be hypothetical. hi
      But about Edorgan - the standard actions of the standard Turkish sultan. laughing
    2. V.ic
      V.ic 19 December 2015 20: 01 New
      0
      Quote: St. Propulsion
      action example comradeand Hitler

      This "h.y." horseradish could be comradeI’m eating your father / grandfather, but not a friend in the Russian understanding.
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 19 December 2015 22: 05 New
        0
        Quote: V.ic
        comrade in the Russian understanding.


        He was a "comrade" (genossa) in party understanding - implies the identity of terminologies!
  17. kapitan92
    kapitan92 19 December 2015 15: 55 New
    +8
    Quote: knn54
    Namely Erdogan and his party turned the country into a snake nest of terrorists. And all his actions are caused by the swaying of the throne under him.

    Yes, not so the throne beneath him and staggers. Now his party is trying to push constitutional amendments through parliament and turn it from a parliamentary republic into a presidential one. And then he will turn into a pasha.
    Here, the states could not do without it because the "southern and Turkish" streams were like a bone in their throats. They provoked, promised support, and quietly to the side, and their aircraft were far from sin.
    Here's what I’ll farther expect from all these “partners”?
    1. tanit
      tanit 19 December 2015 16: 07 New
      +2
      Well,
      Quote: kapitan92
      And then he will turn into a pasha.

      Quote: kapitan92
      And then he will turn into a pasha.

      - why so small? laughing
      Sultan, not otherwise. laughing
      But does the surrounding world need a "sultan", including the Arab "kings"? But this is unlikely. hi
  18. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 December 2015 16: 08 New
    +4
    In Turkey, awakened bad passions. Imperial ambitions are called. The population supports Erdogan, anti-Russian hysteria is growing. To go there to rest - God forbid. These guys fall into uncontrolled aggression too easily. Only, after all, no NATO will save them.
    Can anyone imagine that John or Hans will fly to die for Turkey! With the threat of getting a "gift" to your home? I wonder if they have a procedure for exclusion from NATO? I'm afraid not.
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 19 December 2015 16: 27 New
      +2
      during the republic, the Turks multiplied 10 times - hence the imperial ambitions. Erdogan just caught a wave.
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    3. alexander 2
      alexander 2 19 December 2015 19: 40 New
      +1
      Well, John and the United States is not particularly ready to die. After all, they go to the army to earn money, and not to defend their homeland. But Turkey will not be expelled from NATO by anyone, the situation is too favorable for Russia. They’ll talk about it.
  19. midivan
    midivan 19 December 2015 16: 18 New
    14
    “What is the noise outside, Barrymore?”
    “This is a pederast parade, sir.”
    “And what do they demand, Barrymore?”
    “Same-sex love, sir.”
    - Does anyone forbid them?
    “No sir.”
    “So why are they still making noise?”
    - P..i.do the race, sir.
    1. Kelwin
      Kelwin 19 December 2015 16: 26 New
      +6
      Why!)

      But Yandex spelling is sure that "Barrymore" is spelled nifiga incorrectly, unlike light blue ... s)
      1. midivan
        midivan 19 December 2015 16: 34 New
        +6
        laughing well, it doesn’t change the essence, I immediately remembered this joke as we talked about Erdogan and he’s definitely not Barimore laughing I haven’t really figured out what it is possible to write and what isn’t, and here it was itself changed (G.E. ... parade) belay
        1. alexander 2
          alexander 2 19 December 2015 19: 50 New
          0
          I also constantly change when I want to write more about the United States. Except for the USA and America, nothing happens. Although both Mexicans and Canadians live in America, it is not correct to call US citizens Americans.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 19 December 2015 19: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: KelWin
        But Yandex spelling sure that "Barrymore" spelled nifig incorrectly

        Not certainly in that way. Press the left mouse button and highlight the word, press the right button on the word Barrymore, in the window that opens, find "add to dictionary" and left-click. Everything will be fine - a word will be added to the dictionary that was not there. smile hi
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 20 December 2015 01: 03 New
          -1
          And for some reason I don’t have the line “add to dictionary” there. ??
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  20. individual
    individual 19 December 2015 16: 19 New
    +5
    And who supported and directed the Crimean Tatars from the time of the Maidan 2014 against Russia.
    The first provocations were.
    Even then, it was clear that the knife was already entered.
    We, as always, waited a year and suddenly were not ready.
    Sadly, they struck first.
  21. Million
    Million 19 December 2015 16: 20 New
    +3
    Russian by birth, Russian in spirit, the great patriot of Russia with his whole life and ministry who proved its greatness

    Very nice and well-aimed phrase!
  22. -Traveller-
    -Traveller- 19 December 2015 16: 23 New
    -1
    the article is too pathetic. now, they say, since 1480 ... and off and on ... madness, the loss of prudence.
    at least look at the biography of Erdogan, how he came to power, in what situation this happened and how he has remained at the helm for so many years. after all, no one handed over the post to him by inheritance for the New Year, and they do not roll carousels at the elections in Turkey.
    Does this person look like insane? he, with ... (as Galygin says), prudent and thoughtful. and makes its move when there are trump cards.
    there will be no war between Russia and Turkey, and we will see what will happen to Syria and Iraq in the next couple of years.
    1. Karlos
      Karlos 19 December 2015 18: 26 New
      -1
      That's right, there will be no war between Russia and Turkey, there will be a war with the Kurds, everything goes to this, and there we will see what remains of Turkey
    2. alexander 2
      alexander 2 19 December 2015 20: 06 New
      +4
      You read articles about the USA or Turkey, that’s where the pathos is. For some reason, when it is said about the successes of other countries, this is normal, and as soon as one speaks about the successes of Russia, it immediately becomes pathos. Russia and Russians can only be watered with mud. So many think, not only in the west, but also our liberals. For which they are not loved by the people.
  23. Gor-1974
    Gor-1974 19 December 2015 16: 32 New
    +6
    There was an opinion about Putin that he was “playing” a few moves ahead, and here you might think, a downed plane, part of a far-reaching policy, or knowing the whole complexity of our centuries-old life with such a neighbor, but a hit in the back. If the shooting is for the future, then our guys, like martyrs, are sacrificed to their own country. Worse if at the top they hoped for a chance, but it turned out as always. Because if this case is our big policy, then we can hope that the decisions of the guarantor will contribute to victory, but if they didn’t figure it out ... then what our ancestors have convinced more than once and proving provability with their victories, then it will be more complicated, the whole initiative should take place for example, from wise officers, all hope for them, advisers to the president, will not draw such a level of play.
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 19 December 2015 16: 45 New
      +2
      This several moves forward drove us to 70 rubles. for the dollar, sanctions and the need to dump all the remaining money into tanks and missiles?
    2. Extraneous
      Extraneous 19 December 2015 18: 34 New
      +1
      Waiting for a provocation. They did not wait for the pilots to be shot in the air. This execution is the most indignant. The Turks were supposed to capture the pilots alive and due to this they hoped to bargain with Russia. The Turkoman, controlled by Turkey, decided in their own way. The result is known: one was killed, the other was taken out of the district. In all respects: a complete failure of the US operation.
  24. Gardamir
    Gardamir 19 December 2015 16: 32 New
    +1
    Another article in search of external enemies. How many of them we have: Ukrainians, Americans, now Turks. But these are enemies for the people. For Putin, both Ukrainians and Americans are partners, and even sells gas to the Turks as before.
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 19 December 2015 16: 43 New
      +3
      Nothing personal just business
  25. iury.vorgul
    iury.vorgul 19 December 2015 16: 33 New
    +2
    Erdogan wants to become a sultan? Red flag in his hands (with a crescent moon). But didn’t he forget that the Republic of Turkey is not the legal successor of the Ottoman Empire. And then the Armenians and Greeks will quickly remind him?
  26. Kelwin
    Kelwin 19 December 2015 16: 38 New
    -1
    Quote: -Traveller-
    Does this person look like insane?

    And who does he look like? "Insane" is still politically correct, as I still called a nonsense ...
    1. tanit
      tanit 19 December 2015 16: 47 New
      0
      Quote: KelWin
      what else did the moron call ...

      A moron is not the most extreme degree of dementia, there are still options (though not so well-known). laughing
      1. Kelwin
        Kelwin 19 December 2015 16: 50 New
        +1
        Heh) Those options already require fixing the patient))
        1. tanit
          tanit 19 December 2015 16: 57 New
          +1
          Hmm, well now, unfortunately, no.))
          1. Kelwin
            Kelwin 19 December 2015 17: 20 New
            +1
            Everything, the beds are over?)) Well, medication blockade. And 6 sulphs))
          2. Kelwin
            Kelwin 19 December 2015 17: 20 New
            0
            Everything, the beds are over?)) Well, medication blockade. And 6 sulphs))
            1. tanit
              tanit 19 December 2015 18: 23 New
              0
              "Kul in the forehead" - as a treatment option? wink
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  27. samarin1969
    samarin1969 19 December 2015 16: 48 New
    +2
    "Russia's clearly calibrated position" ??? ... Oh, well! .. The heirs of the Port are directly and indirectly guilty of the deaths of Russian people. But there are hundreds, if not thousands of times more, of them killed in the Donbass. In response, no bombs, no sanctions, or even harsh rhetoric. But the NATO facilities near Kharkov are a matter of time.
    With regard to Turkey (NATO), a pragmatic policy must be pursued: close the market for Made in Turkey. And so ... - one inadequate tantrum against yesterday’s partners.
    (And where were these “historian journalists” during the Turkish Stream?)
    1. Extraneous
      Extraneous 19 December 2015 17: 50 New
      +7
      I understand your annoyance about what is happening in the Donbass. What is going on there is the worst thing that could happen on the outskirts.
      But I want to say the following about this (the opinion is not very popular): Everything that is happening on the outskirts was really calculated. This is evidenced by at least the fact how the Crimea was squeezed. The problem of Donbass is that the Kiev Maidan and the coup states held earlier than the dates that they planned. This is evidenced by a random slip of the tongue at one of the briefings at that time. It sounded something like this: "they used to start," or so. The meaning is clear.
      The entire "Ukraine project" was conceived by the states precisely in order to draw Russia into a direct armed conflict and thereby remove it from the Syrian alignment. When Putin insisted on a peaceful resolution to the Syrian chemical weapons problem and prevented NATO from removing Assad by force, the states expedited a change of power in the outskirts. Putin had to take emergency measures. According to preliminary estimates, Donbass was not included in the priority direction and it was planned to solve the matter there peacefully.
      The whole story of the Donbass militia is as follows: After the junta came to power, a seemingly crazy campaign began to put pressure on the Russian-speaking part of the population, which constitutes an absolute majority in the outskirts. Why such a “not wise” approach in domestic politics, threatening an inevitable increase in discontent? Everything was done in order to bring people to white heat and cause an explosion. The same technology Maidan. In the Donbass, the hero appears Girkin. He is given time to organize from indignant people the resistance of the existing government. Put together a militia and arm it. Bring to the position, to repel the provocative assaults pravosekov. Then they organize "suppression of the separatists" but somehow not convincingly, although the existing forces allowed the militia to be rolled up into a thin pancake. They begin shelling civilian targets in order to further increase resistance. Girkin begins to yell about the urgent need to send Russian troops. Which, in fact, was required by the states.
      Putin did not indulge. Of course, he was forced to take appropriate steps to support the Donbass, but did not begin to send troops. And he did absolutely right. Instead of sending troops to the outskirts, he introduced the VKS into Syria, thereby violating Washington's plans. As a result of his actions, the Europeans and the United States were in the loser. They are now forced to merge Poroshenko. But in the end they will force him to start fighting again in the Donbass. This time - they will try to finally solve the "question". What it will result in will be visible. But there will be a lot of blood.
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 19 December 2015 20: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Stranger
        What it will result in will be visible. But there will be a lot of blood.

        Not yet evening.
  28. nikpwolf
    nikpwolf 19 December 2015 17: 44 New
    +4
    Well, yes. In all this (the behavior of Erdogan, the Turkish government and, accordingly, a certain part of the population), the reason, as always, is
    And despite the serious and obvious efforts of England and France in the nineteenth century

    And now also the USA, and century XXI. Nothing changes. Previously, “barbarians” were civilized, now they are democratically viciously authoritarian and aggressively militaristic. But the essence is one. The guys from the island and from behind the puddles need at least some kind of military force (we don’t get through the straits and oceans ourselves) to realize their centuries-old plans to overcome wealth. And who to use? Who is there on the border? United Europe, Ottoman Empire (now Turkey) and China. The latter has its own historical tale, but the rest is century after century. And in full. Alexander was a wise ruler. But different Pasha do not favor history. And they pay. Again and again. Anglo-Saxons playing on power ambitions and banal greed implement the same scheme. Like now. Turkey, for all its so-called unpredictability with elements of radical Islamism, genocide, imperial ambitions, how it fits the global plans of the Anglo-Saxons. Therefore, whatever these Ottoman imbicillas create, they will be covered, supported and encouraged. At the same time, you will have to dodge coolly, make mutually exclusive statements and gestures, accuse Russia of anything (by the way, we are waiting for reports of Buryat tanks and the GRU division in sovereign Turkish territory and the massive rape of 12-year-old immaculate, pregnant, bearded Turkish militias), up to the secret application (well, at least about the plans) of nuclear weapons. And it will always be so. Well, until Turkey ceases to exist. Erdogasha, in his pashauzhennost, thinks that it will be different. And how can you not learn the lesson where you sat for 350 years? Unclear.
    From the authors. I would like to advise Mr. Erdogan to read the coming “The Science of Prudence, or the Pocket Oracle” by Baltasar Gracian at bedtime. The book has been written for a long time, but it is for people who lose touch with reality. Sometimes sobering.

    Hope that reads. And even maybe understand. And study the materiel. Oh, how I do not want to become teachers of these stupid students again. Alexander Vasilyevich - a deep bow. Here is a teacher from teachers in this subject. I really hope that Putin and Lavrov will steal all these engoplanes and tourist hopes. Something like that.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 19 December 2015 20: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: nikpwolf
      Alexander was a wise ruler.

      So determine the number of existence in the history of this ruler: the first sent troops to Paris, the second freed the peasants, the third left his son the most powerful empire that the world knew.
      1. nikpwolf
        nikpwolf 20 December 2015 01: 36 New
        0
        Since the times of Alexander the Great, wise (!) Rulers and strategists have tried not to aggravate relations with the peoples living on the Central European Plain, for they knew that they could not be defeated, and war with them could lead to the loss of many preferences. There are plenty of testimonies, starting with the Mongol-Tatars and the Crusaders, the Poles, the Swedes, Napoleon, right up to Hitler - all sooner or later, but they got theirs.

        Excuse me, but I don’t know the number at Macedonian. Maybe Che didn’t finish it.
  29. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 19 December 2015 17: 45 New
    0
    Erdogan’s conscience is stuck with money! But this disease is "treated" very hard. He needs to arrange poverty and deprivation, so that perhaps he understands the price of honor. Now nothing ..
  30. potalevl
    potalevl 19 December 2015 17: 50 New
    +2
    The end of the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st century were marked by a new stage in the redivision of the world. Some states disappeared from his map and others appeared in their place. Turkey apparently decided to grab its piece of cake from this redistribution. However, the Turks probably forgot that in this fight with equal success you can both grab someone else’s piece and lose yours. And judging by the situation in the world, the Turks are likely to be left without a pie, both alien and their own. Something like this.
  31. bender8282
    bender8282 19 December 2015 18: 06 New
    0
    I recall the words of Lavrov- "Morons, ... Th"
  32. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 19 December 2015 18: 08 New
    +3
    Patriotic article.
    With faith in God, the king and the fatherland.
    I liked the hint to help the Kurds take away a large piece of territory from Turkey, once again reducing the Ottoman possession.
  33. Kombrig
    Kombrig 19 December 2015 18: 16 New
    +2
    ...... Thus, with its visible and hidden actions, Turkey in a fairly short time managed to form a whole bunch of problems that NATO will have to unwind in one way or another. At the same time, the bloc is completely not interested in the conflict with Russia ........



    It is interesting to know what the block is interested in. Probably well-intentioned NATO is so aggressively approaching our borders? Do not reassure yourself, NATO is an enemy (at least a potential one).
  34. parafoiler
    parafoiler 19 December 2015 18: 35 New
    0
    Neither one nor the other, nor the third, but the vile oriental insidiousness.
  35. kare
    kare 19 December 2015 19: 11 New
    0
    After the overthrow of the Mongol-Tatar yoke in 1480 in the foreign policy arena of Russia

    A fragment from the famous ecology of St. Sergius of Radonezh.
    Kulikovo battle. Oh, and then we broke the Tatars
    That's just damn the warriors on both sides are the same
    Yes banners with standards, saints
    Yes, in other matters it does not matter, the main thing is to refer to a historical event
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 19 December 2015 22: 01 New
      0
      Quote: kare
      That's just damn the warriors on both sides are the same


      Naturally - broke usurper Mom, and in the troops of Dmitry Donskoy there were a lot of Tatars - supporters of legitimate authority! And on the side of Mamai was the Grand Duke of Lithuania Jagiello - alternately pagan, Orthodox, again pagan, Catholic ... His name in Lithuania is now extremely unpopular - too often betrayed!
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 19 December 2015 22: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: kare
      That's just damn the warriors on both sides are the same


      Naturally - broke usurper Mom, and in the troops of Dmitry Donskoy there were a lot of Tatars - supporters of legitimate authority! And on the side of Mamai was the Grand Duke of Lithuania Jagiello - alternately pagan, Orthodox, again pagan, Catholic ... His name in Lithuania is now extremely unpopular - too often betrayed!
    3. a housewife
      a housewife 20 December 2015 01: 08 New
      0
      "Econs of Sergius of Radonezh" - it's great!
      1. kare
        kare 20 December 2015 15: 41 New
        0
        Do not cling to incorrectly typed words. I print without looking at the cliwiatura and the screen. Therefore errors are possible
        If you are scared of the meaning, here is the link
        http://www.runivers.ru/gal/gallery-all.php?ELEMENT_ID=474993&SECTION_ID=7590
  36. OlegV
    OlegV 19 December 2015 19: 12 New
    +5
    Backstab....
  37. kuz363
    kuz363 19 December 2015 19: 26 New
    -7
    What remains is to admire the past victories of 200-300 years ago. Because at the moment there are only one punctures. By the way, Suvorov is the executioner of the freedom-loving Russian people. It was under his command that the troops of Emelyan Pugachev were defeated. True, under the USSR this fact was usually silent
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 19 December 2015 20: 16 New
      +7
      Listen, stop it! Read anything but the tabloid press. There was such an episode, A.V. Suvorov was ordered to be withdrawn from the army and "thrown" to fight the Pugachev uprising, but when he arrived in Orenburg Pugachev was already defeated ...................... ................................................
      .......... Suvorov-the executioner of the freedom-loving Russian people .....
      You do not write such nonsense anymore !!!!!!!!!
  38. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 19 December 2015 19: 32 New
    +2
    Erdogan’s interest is not in the country, but in the profit that he personally and his family will extract from the president’s chair. But he seems to have accepted the ideology of his first minister — who, according to the constitution of the Turkish Republic, is more important than the president, by the way, the military have The right to adjust the course of the country and the fact that Erdogan cleaned the highest generals to please his beloved is a time bomb And Ataturk would not have approved it because with him the reservation about the military had been accepted There will not be a Great Port in the modern world I wonder which state will accept Erdogan’s family together with a guarantee of preservation of his capital after his resignation, the States or Qatar?
  39. Chak
    Chak 19 December 2015 20: 10 New
    +2
    It seems that everything is not bad in the article, but the opus “stomped Pasha” (for the natural lameness it was called Turks with the honor of Suvorov) “simply distorted ... Something with my memory became ... Where did the“ natural ”lameness come from? come from ??? Either the authors of the victim of the exam, or from someone else’s essay, were blown away without reading ... tongue
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 19 December 2015 21: 29 New
      +4
      ..... Terrible Topal Pasha, that is, a lame general, as the Turks called Suvorov for being slightly lame from a needle stuck in the heel, reappeared on the Russian-Turkish border .......
      Maybe IT decided to call natural lameness !?
  40. anakost
    anakost 19 December 2015 20: 59 New
    +1
    Very pathetic, some bare statements, the author did not care about the evidence base. It's a pity.
  41. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 19 December 2015 21: 00 New
    +1
    It was Russia that in many respects ensured the economic recovery, thanks to which Turkey entered the rank of state - regional leader
    But nobody canceled the law of conservation of energy. And if it increased somewhere, then somewhere it disappeared. Well, southern fruits - yes, with this, the northern country certainly strained. But developing the Turkish light industry - restrained their own. Buying Turkish auto components - ruined the development of their auto industry. Giving the market to Turkish construction companies - they restrained the growth and development of technologies in their own construction companies.
  42. Yasen Ping
    Yasen Ping 19 December 2015 21: 08 New
    +2
    I like Satanovsky, he’s a favorite of Solovyov’s, always the right thoughts say, he really likes it, just a little trick, both Jews, and about Israel, well, there’s nothing bad at all - only they are great !!! and Nitsche that Israel is one of the sponsors of the terrorists in Syria, they buy oil, treat militants, bomb in vain, such as a threat, the militants fired, and flies, to the ATS troops, neither of which, well .... I also like that Solovyov calls the Lyberoids of all those who disagree with Putin’s policies .. in general, crap is incredible ..
    1. deduly1957
      deduly1957 20 December 2015 01: 00 New
      +2
      You are careful about the Jew Solovyov, otherwise you will get 100 minuses. I myself am from this surname and full namesake, and even from a very old Russian family. think before you speak.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 20 December 2015 01: 23 New
        +1
        Solovyov is a Jew, and this does not hide.
    2. Extraneous
      Extraneous 20 December 2015 02: 30 New
      +3
      Soloviev was a PR manager of Berezovsky and in those days was distinguished by very liberal speeches. The usual corrupt journalist who believes that he doesn’t respect himself.
      Satanovsky is a typical agent of influence. He speaks kind of beautifully and correctly, but always somehow one-sidedly. Plus, his obscene manner of talking with opponents, which he apparently acquired in intimate conversations with senior officials of the highest ranks from the political elites of America and Europe, which he periodically reminds everyone of with pleasure. Vile types of both.
  43. Weyland
    Weyland 19 December 2015 21: 54 New
    0
    Quote: V.ic
    1204 year, remember, just in case, the Turk then "did not stand by" ...


    Without the 1204th and the 1453rd there would not have been - in fact, after 1204, 90% of Constantinople remained unpopulated. In 1204m the population was more than a million, in 1453m - 100 thousand: there were not enough people physically to defend such a large perimeter!
  44. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 19 December 2015 23: 52 New
    -3
    Great-great-grandfathers fought!
  45. Seneca
    Seneca 20 December 2015 00: 00 New
    -1
    Quote: Stranger
    Patriotism is not a reason to turn off the brain and not use logic. To win, the enemy must be understood and respected. Misunderstanding the basis of certain enemy actions leads to a misinterpretation of his strategy and leads to errors in his actions, which ultimately may result in defeat.
    Because of this, Putin achieves success with his policy because he understands the roots of opponents' strategies and the motives of certain decisions. And one cannot blame him for disrespect for his “partners”.

    And what are the successes of GDP expressed in? I do not understand.
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  47. Linkin
    Linkin 20 December 2015 01: 34 New
    +1
    That is why in the West most ordinary people admire Vladimir Putin and thank him for his patience, a clear and intelligible policy and absolutely understandable actions in the economy, construction and re-equipment of the Armed Forces.

    in the West, no one admires this once and twice what they consider him an ordinary dictator.
  48. acetophenon
    acetophenon 20 December 2015 03: 39 New
    +2
    I don’t understand what is the difference: patriot Erdogan or? As the saying goes, it’s not for the wolf being beaten that it’s sulfur, but for the fact that he ate the sheep!
    If you don’t bring down our planes, then at least do something in your Turkey there. Although you are there, even though you are a patriras! And if shot down - should get a tinsel in any case. And if you don’t get it, then the prospects for our country are unenviable. Since wealth is fair, and neighbors' legs are raking.
  49. Disant
    Disant 20 December 2015 06: 22 New
    0
    And how many problems “stamped Pasha” (for the natural limp, that’s exactly what the Turks called Suvorov with honor)

    author, Suvorov had no natural limp, do not slander
  50. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 20 December 2015 08: 13 New
    +1
    24 November 2015 was widely celebrated in the Russian Federation on the 285 anniversary of the birth of one of the greatest commanders of mankind - Generalissimo Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov.

    Every 100 years, the whole world unites against the Russians in order to get lyuley from them and calm down for another 100 years.