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The new Tu-160 will not have Ukrainian components

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Staritsky Mechanical Plant (part of NPO Rodina) began constructive processing of the steering unit for the Tu-160 aircraft. It is necessary to replace the hydraulic motor of Ukrainian production on the domestic, transfers TASS message of the director of the enterprise Lev Shorin.


The new Tu-160 will not have Ukrainian components


“Now the question is about the resumption of production of the Tu-160“ White Swan ”aircraft, and Ukraine was previously involved in the manufacture of steering units. The hydromotor that joins our units was Ukrainian, ”said the director.

“Now we need our hydraulic motor. And he has a different configuration, a different design. It is necessary to rework constructively the unit to put in our hydraulic motor. This is not an easy task - to conduct the entire test cycle, and this is a long process, but I think we will do it, ”added Shorin.

TASS Help: “Staritsky Mechanical Plant, located in the Tver Region, was established in April 1968 as a production branch of the Rodina Moscow Machine-Building Design Bureau. The plant produces various products for aviation equipment, in particular, hydraulic units for aircraft of various types and modifications (Tu-204, Tu-214, Il-476, Be-200, An-148, Il-96-300 and others). "
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  1. venaya
    venaya 15 December 2015 17: 31 New
    +6
    God forbid, solve this most important problem and quickly, time does not wait.
    1. Terrible_L.
      Terrible_L. 15 December 2015 17: 32 New
      19
      Well, that's nice. The Russian "strategist" (applies not only to aircraft) should consist only of Russian components. This is even a student is obliged to understand, well, if he is not a victim of the exam (sorry, could not resist)
      1. Stalevar
        Stalevar 15 December 2015 17: 35 New
        +3
        The new Tu-160 will not have Ukrainian components

        Yes I hope !!! belay
        1. satelit24
          satelit24 15 December 2015 18: 01 New
          -17
          now there will be chinese wink
          1. niki233
            niki233 15 December 2015 20: 01 New
            +2
            Quote: satelit24
            now there will be chinese wink

            do not joke so no
      2. kil 31
        kil 31 15 December 2015 17: 39 New
        +2
        Here live a century, learn a century.
        It’s not an easy task to conduct the entire test cycle, and this is a long process, but I think we will do it, ”Shorin added.
        I thought hydraulics weren’t very difficult to do. Now I will know that according to the old patterns it is difficult. Without sarcasm.
        1. cap
          cap 15 December 2015 19: 14 New
          +1
          I thought hydraulics weren’t very difficult to do. Now I will know that according to the old patterns it is difficult. Without sarcasm.
          To the new owners, the noodles on their ears before the New Year are very similar.
          Progression bonuses, for YESH students, and so it will do. It’s sad, however, to read this:“Now we need our hydraulic motor. And he is already in a different configuration, in a different design. Need to recycle structurally unitto put in our hydraulic motor. It is not an easy task to conduct the entire test cycle, and this is a long process, but I think we will do it, ”Shorin added.
          You would think that they were going to change the design, God forbid! hi
          1. niki233
            niki233 15 December 2015 20: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: cap
            I thought hydraulics weren’t very difficult to do. Now I will know that according to the old patterns it is difficult. Without sarcasm.
            To the new owners, the noodles on their ears before the New Year are very similar.
            Progression bonuses, for YESH students, and so it will do. It’s sad, however, to read this:“Now we need our hydraulic motor. And he is already in a different configuration, in a different design. Need to recycle structurally unitto put in our hydraulic motor. It is not an easy task to conduct the entire test cycle, and this is a long process, but I think we will do it, ”Shorin added.
            You would think that they were going to change the design, God forbid! hi

            apparently you can’t imagine what it is to replace one unit with another it is really very difficult especially on the steering it is AVIATION and not a ground truck
    2. marlin1203
      marlin1203 15 December 2015 17: 35 New
      +8
      There are only 16 of these aircraft, plus 2 more will be built, and then we will see. What we all do not pull the country power? They can be produced in such quantities in pieces and manually. And the fact that you need to get rid of Ukrainian components is a long time ago. The defense industry is an intimate thing laughing
      1. niki233
        niki233 15 December 2015 20: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: marlin1203
        There are only 16 of these aircraft, plus 2 more will be built, and then we will see. What we all do not pull the country power? They can be produced in such quantities in pieces and manually. And the fact that you need to get rid of Ukrainian components is a long time ago. The defense industry is an intimate thing laughing

        such hydraulic motors are not only on the Tu-160
    3. 79807420129
      79807420129 15 December 2015 17: 37 New
      10
      Quote: venaya
      God forbid, solve this most important problem and quickly, time does not wait.

      Time does not wait, that's for sure, but before that they thought that dill would stop jumping? Or would the sanctions be lifted and everything would go along the knurled track? As usual, we lose time which may not be enough at the right time.
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 15 December 2015 17: 45 New
        +8
        Ukrainian will soon be nothing .... Even sweets! Oh Ukraine! They deceived you specifically, soon all sorts of parashenko and egg-laying with a teddy bear will run and what will remain?
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        2. Sterlya
          Sterlya 15 December 2015 18: 43 New
          +2
          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
          Ukrainian will soon be nothing .... Even sweets! Oh Ukraine! They deceived you specifically, soon all sorts of parashenko and egg-laying with a teddy bear will run and what will remain?

          Other pigs, rabbits, and gastro-eaters will come. In dill there is still something to steal.
          1. Served once
            Served once 15 December 2015 19: 02 New
            +2
            That's right. They don’t need industrial production anymore. They have something to steal. But the main wealth is land, black soil. Ukraine is not threatened with hunger. And European partners will be forced to sow rapeseed and other crops for biofuel production. This is a variant of Kampuchea of ​​the 21st century. the military will place them near our borders. Here is their future. We’re on the side of such “friends” —the dream of our “partners.”
    4. poquello
      poquello 15 December 2015 17: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: venaya
      God forbid, solve this most important problem and quickly, time does not wait.

      everything must be able to be done in the country, relaxation privatization, commerce should not affect the reduction of the possibility of domestic production of defense products
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    6. ava09
      ava09 15 December 2015 18: 11 New
      -3
      It is necessary to pray, the prayer is more reliable than the wish ... One might think that someone doubts that “the most important task” is to “quickly” and “time does not wait.” Or do you write to check in?
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        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 15 December 2015 18: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Haettenschweiler
          - I sincerely doubt that the TU-160 is what is "most important" and what needs to be "built up" quickly. We already have a couple of such "toys" in service. Why do we need more, especially now, when there is no money for anything other than salaries to government officials?

          Production will be to replace obsolete machines.
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        2. Manul
          Manul 15 December 2015 23: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: Haettenschweiler
          Why do we need more, especially now, when there is no money for anything other than salaries to government officials?

          You are using outdated manuals. Have you not sent new ones? I must say - there is no money for other weapons systems - more important! Then maybe no one will pay attention to the darling of a rainy ehomats wink
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    7. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 15 December 2015 18: 32 New
      0
      Yes, they have no choice .... if something is going to be knocked out .... how it is heated ... and still good luck to the peasants and patience ....
    8. Maxom75
      Maxom75 15 December 2015 22: 45 New
      0
      why a hydraulic motor, not an electric drive? After all, it seems that our developers have recently patented an electric drive, it is more economical and smaller in size with the same reliability.
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  2. Koshak
    Koshak 15 December 2015 17: 33 New
    +6
    In Ufa: UMPO, "Hydraulics", UPPO, UAPO. Well, why ukro-partners?
    1. slaw14
      slaw14 15 December 2015 17: 51 New
      +1
      I agree. Kazan is much closer to Ufa and it is necessary to produce components closer to production, bypassing abroad.
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 15 December 2015 17: 33 New
    +7
    The hydraulic motor that joins our units was Ukrainian

    In Ukraine, they themselves are unlikely to do it themselves.
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 15 December 2015 18: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      The hydraulic motor that joins our units was Ukrainian

      In Ukraine, they themselves are unlikely to do it themselves.

      Well yes. In addition to maidan dill is unlikely that they can do it sooner, all the more reliable
  4. Rokossovsky
    Rokossovsky 15 December 2015 17: 35 New
    +5
    The new Tu-160 will not have Ukrainian components

    They should not be there for a long time! Let's hope that even after normalizing relations with Ukraine (and I really want to believe in it), the process of switching to domestic components is not slowed down!
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 15 December 2015 19: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Rokossovsky
      even after normalizing relations with Ukraine



      Hmm ... Optimist you, however ...
  5. Sasha75
    Sasha75 15 December 2015 17: 35 New
    +3
    And for this we needed only for the soldered president of Ukraine to call Russia the enemy for the hundredth time and ours, it finally dawned that it was more necessary to buy piles of plants than abroad, just like Russian Railways did almost all the orders in the outskirts.
  6. sem-yak
    sem-yak 15 December 2015 17: 36 New
    0
    Something like that is not enough information.
  7. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 15 December 2015 17: 37 New
    +5
    The steering unit is not like the most difficult element of such a complex aircraft! Probably you can not find a solution for it for a very long time. And the production of these aircraft is a wonderful solution. You can’t just lose such a masterpiece without finding a worthy replacement.
  8. NEXUS
    NEXUS 15 December 2015 17: 38 New
    +5
    As previously mentioned, if a new TU-160M2 is assembled, it will not be a modernization of Cygnus, even a deep one, but a completely different NEW bomber.
    1. uge.garik
      uge.garik 15 December 2015 18: 03 New
      +1
      ... another, a NEW bomber - I think there will be something like a cross between a Buran and a Swan, incorporating all the best from its predecessors, as well as a TU-160 glider with a purely Russian filling of modern developments and materials, but for any strategists - Big Plus ..!
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 15 December 2015 19: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: uge.garik
        ... another, a NEW bomber - I think there will be something like a cross between a Buran and a Swan, incorporating all the best from its predecessors, as well as a TU-160 glider with a purely Russian filling of modern developments and materials, but for any strategists - Big Plus ..!

        I say again, more than once, the new TU-160 in the form as we know it is unlikely to be ... most likely there will be something similar to the T-54C with T-4C elements ...
  9. Woodman
    Woodman 15 December 2015 17: 39 New
    +4
    The military-industrial complex, in principle, should not depend on other states, even on friendly and fraternal ones ... There may be joint projects and developments, but we must be able to produce all the necessary range of weapons from our components and on our territory.
  10. prabiz
    prabiz 15 December 2015 17: 40 New
    +1
    Here it is a purely Russian white swan!
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 15 December 2015 17: 58 New
      +2
      I completely agree with you. And for the Russian "White Swan" it is impossible to use
      "hydraulic motor" ...
  11. Revolver
    Revolver 15 December 2015 17: 41 New
    0
    This is not an easy task - to conduct the entire test cycle, and this is a lengthy process, but I think we will do it
    Given the current speed of work, as well as the progress of the processes on Urkain, it is possible that by the time the unit is brought to mind, Ukraine, well, or the part that produced the motor (I’m willing to argue that it’s not Galichina) will be part of the Russian Federation.
    1. FID
      FID 15 December 2015 17: 52 New
      10
      Quote: Nagan
      (ready to argue that it is not Galicia)

      Now, the Tu-22M3 (one regiment) is armed with an X-15 missile ... The computer for the autopilot of this missile was produced in Lviv and nowhere else ... And there is NOTHING to replace it. And you say swimming ...
  12. individual
    individual 15 December 2015 17: 46 New
    +3
    So that's why Yatsenyuk built a wall with a moat:
    - So that the technology of components does not flow to Russia.
    With proper organization of work during the Second World War, entire plants were transferred to the bare steppe and, according to the schedule of the commander in chief, were put into production.
    Youth, take an example from grandfathers!
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 15 December 2015 18: 15 New
      11
      Quote: individ
      So that's why Yatsenyuk built a wall with a moat:
      - So that the technology of components does not flow to Russia.
      With proper organization of work during the Second World War, entire plants were transferred to the bare steppe and, according to the schedule of the commander in chief, were put into production.
      Youth, take an example from grandfathers!

      So then they asked not for children, but now they will wash the floor for two days and go out according to parole.
  13. mitrich
    mitrich 15 December 2015 17: 47 New
    +3
    Yes, as in the joke: "we will soon reach the mice ..msya." The news, simply archival, the whole hydromotor gathered to assemble the whole country!
    "This is not an easy task - to conduct the entire test cycle, and this is a lengthy process, but, I think, we will do it," Shorin added. " Just a pearl! But they will do it !!!! Hooray!!!!
    If there’s nothing to write about, then don’t write anything than any nonsense! In addition, the grandmother said in two, there will be a release of the new 160s, if so, when, and then damn it, the whole cycle. tests, to test. They have left Ukraine!
    Not VO became, but a branch of the Censor. request
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 15 December 2015 17: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: mitrich
      The news, simply archival, the whole hydromotor gathered to assemble the whole country!

      Well why bother ... It’s clear that it’s not a simple matter, but it’s necessary to do it! If our grandfathers and great-grandfathers in the 41st moved entire military factories to the Urals and Siberia and practically produced weapons for the front under open sky (and not bad) And now what can not we? hi
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      2. mitrich
        mitrich 15 December 2015 18: 14 New
        +1
        And what else remains ?! Here, el. the cable was launched to the Crimea, the Union successfully flew to the ISS, this is news!
        And just going-planning-thinking-suggest -.... replacing the part on the product that they plan to release in a new way and where there are hundreds of them, what is this about? request
  14. novel68rus
    novel68rus 15 December 2015 17: 49 New
    +2
    when there was the last MAKS, the pilots said that out of 17 in service there were only four .. two are constantly patrolling and two are in reserve .. the rest are waiting in line for engine repairs which takes about a year .. new carcasses are simply needed now .. they would like to su 24 start doing .. these machines are ahead of their time .. they have a large margin for modernization ...
  15. shultc
    shultc 15 December 2015 17: 49 New
    +5
    now it would also be necessary to remove imported spare parts from the Sukhoi Super-Jet. This is an achievement. There people fly ..
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 15 December 2015 19: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: shultc
      now it would also be necessary to remove imported spare parts from the Sukhoi Super-Jet. This is an achievement. There people fly ..


      The plane will have to be forgotten ...
      there is more import than ours.
  16. flyer
    flyer 15 December 2015 17: 54 New
    +8
    The whole TASS message .... Guys, what are you? Work moment. Yes, a hydraulic actuator, a hydraulic motor .. So create and test, and not make official statements! Nonsense. There is no mustachioed on you ...
  17. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 15 December 2015 17: 54 New
    +3
    On the one hand, it’s good, since the responsible components and assemblies should be their own.
    On the other hand, it’s a pity that the USSR was destroyed, where its own were Ukrainian, Belarusian, Lithuanian, Latvian, etc. parts of military equipment ...
  18. Army soldier2
    Army soldier2 15 December 2015 18: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: mitrich
    Yes, as in the joke: "we will soon reach the mice ..msya." The news, simply archival, the whole hydromotor gathered to assemble the whole country!

    Before writing, you need to think a little. All parts, assemblies and components of aviation equipment are subject to certification and must comply with design documentation.
    This hydraulic motor is not enough to create, it must be tested, the warranty resource of work must be determined, amendments to the design documentation, production documentation, technology, etc.
    Therefore, if you want to pass for clever, better keep silent.
  19. Freedom
    Freedom 15 December 2015 18: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: Lesovik
    The military-industrial complex, in principle, should not depend on other states, even on friendly and fraternal ones ... There may be joint projects and developments, but we must be able to produce all the necessary range of weapons from our components and on our territory.

    Our defense industry plants are in obscure hands, it is unclear who owns them, but the level of management is visible.
    I can’t pass by. What equipment can be produced when such conditions are created, premiere presidents, ministers come, they show beautiful pictures to them, specially prepared people to keep silent. And then they do not pay ZP, turn off the heat. Is it at this pace that we are preparing for possible future conflicts?

    https://www.change.org/p/%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82-

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  20. konvalval
    konvalval 15 December 2015 18: 01 New
    0
    Ukraine is fenced off by ditches and fences, and we are import substituting their goods and products from them. Let's see who takes it.
  21. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 15 December 2015 18: 02 New
    +1
    It’s a pity that we hadn’t thought of it before. To Ukraine, periodic outbreaks of Russophobia. This is not the first.
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 15 December 2015 18: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Gormengast
      It’s a pity that we hadn’t thought of it before. To Ukraine, periodic outbreaks of Russophobia. This is not the first.

      And not the last ... Lesson to us is a good next in history!
  22. veksha50
    veksha50 15 December 2015 19: 04 New
    +2
    "This is not an easy task - to conduct the entire test cycle, and this is a long process, but, I think, we will do it" ...

    "The road will be overpowered by the walking one" ...
    "A rolling stone gathers no moss"...
    "Better late than never"...

    The Russian language is rich and powerful ... And proverbs with sayings that have come from ancient centuries have not lost their relevance ...

    It remains only to wish: "God help you!" ...
  23. doework
    doework 15 December 2015 21: 40 New
    +2
    It is necessary to completely remove the ITR staff working in the defense industry from Ukraine, give them a prom / base, integrate them into our design bureaus, help with housing - and go ahead, dawn towards! This is not as difficult to do as it seems ... As the TDF said: "" cadres decide everything! "
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 15 December 2015 21: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: doework
      It is necessary to completely remove the ITR staff working in the defense industry from Ukraine, give them a prom / base, integrate them into our design bureaus, help with housing - and go ahead, dawn towards! This is not as difficult to do as it seems ... As the TDF said: "" cadres decide everything! "

      Do you think that this is not being done? Believe me, the Ukrainian specialists who work at Yuzhmash, Antonov Design Bureau and so on, are pulling us, since we really need such shots.
  24. Strashila
    Strashila 16 December 2015 03: 22 New
    +2
    On the one hand ... difficulties arose, if you look at the other ... in a timely manner, they removed the weak link that could be filthy at any moment.