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The true causes of the attack on the Su-24

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Translation of material about the true causes of the attack on the Su-24.


More than a week passed after an unexpected attack on the Russian Su-24 bomber of the Turkish F-16 fighter. During this time, the attention of the world community was successfully switched from clarifying the causes of the incident to a fascinating, but rather minor, discussion of the consequences of the break in Russian-Turkish relations.

Meanwhile, information from the Syrian Kurds makes it possible to see the whole picture.







Transfer.

Salih Muslim: The plan of joint offensive failed.

The plan of joint offensive of the Jabhat al-Nusra militants and the Syrian Turkmen has been foiled.

According to sources close to the leader of the Kurdish Democratic Union party Salih Muslim, on the night from 24 to 25 in November 2015, a joint offensive of the Jebel Al-Turkman Brigade and militants of the Jabhat al-Nusra terrorist group, which planned the transfer of their units from Jisr al-Shugur to the Syrian Turkmen region near the north-western part of the Syrian-Turkish border. The militants' further plans were to attack the government forces in the Nib Almera, Kessab and Samra regions in order to reach the Mediterranean coast and gain control over the highway connecting Syrian Lattakia with the Turkish Antakya.

Thanks to the actions of the Russian air group from the Khmeimim airbase, based on the intelligence of the Kurdish self-defense detachments that tracked the movement of the Jabhat al-Nusra units from Jisr al-Shugur, the plans of the jihadists were thwarted.

This information is confirmed by Israeli military sources.

Source: Firat News Agency.


It turns out, thanks to the actions of the Russian aviation the plan of the joint offensive of the Jabhat al-Nusra and the Jebel al-Turkman Brigades against government forces in the Nib Almera, Kessab and Samra regions, which was supposed to begin on the night of November 24-25, 2015, in order to gain control over the highway, was foiled connecting Syrian Latakia and Turkish Antakya.

Clearly, the movement of militant units, according to the Kurds, was as follows:

The true causes of the attack on the Su-24


Now compare this map with the flight map of the Russian bomber.



It can be seen that Russian aviation worked precisely in the area of ​​attack, which in the long term threatened the loss of control of government troops over the strategic route, which is crucial for terrorist groups, given that all other significant transport routes connecting them with Turkey are under the control of the Kurds.

A source: Homment.
Originator:
http://www.inonews.info/2015/12/09/istinnye-prichiny-ataki-na-su-24/
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  1. Dezinto
    Dezinto 11 December 2015 05: 31 New
    10
    Here is a video, the entire first part of the program is dedicated to this issue. It seemed to me - very interesting.

    There all opinions met .... and argued .... and it is clear that nothing is clear.

    1. bionik
      bionik 11 December 2015 05: 38 New
      13
      Yesterday I looked, as usual: - poured from empty to empty.
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 11 December 2015 07: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: bionik
        Yesterday I looked, as usual: - poured from empty to empty.
        - From this "transfusion" the same idea slipped through that the reason for the attack on the SU-24 was, first of all, a big headache for Erdogan. Well, never had this guy been face-stamped on a table!
    2. Shick
      Shick 11 December 2015 05: 52 New
      -19
      I can’t watch his programs, just patience is not enough ..
      pure propaganda ..
      they will invite one person (for example, Khokhl) and let him crowd obshat.
      moreover, the journalist himself must be objective and not occupy anyone's position.
      1. perm23
        perm23 11 December 2015 06: 12 New
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        In fact, they quite correctly speak about the case, and if a crest or amerikos speaks complete nonsense, as has often happened, showing complete illiteracy, then it is clear that they teach him to the mind. All for honor. There are Ukrainians, Americans, our liberals, Poles will say this, that he’s just taking the hell out of it.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 11 December 2015 09: 14 New
          +5
          Quote: perm23
          and if a crest or amerikos says complete nonsense


          For example, Michael Bohm, like a parrot, repeats the installation of the blackest about the need for Assad's departure. And this is from transmission to transmission. Or take the most Ukrainian Ukrainians Karasev, Yakhno, Girzhov, Odarchenko, etc. - listen and it seems that the tape recorder works with the same hackneyed flash drive. bully
      2. Kradi
        Kradi 11 December 2015 06: 57 New
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        For people like you, Solovyov constantly repeats that this is an author’s program and he leads it as he sees fit. He always has his own point of view and he defends it. If this does not suit you, then really, this program is not for you. And she is not propaganda, but patriotic. Feel the difference.
        1. Dembel77
          Dembel77 11 December 2015 07: 31 New
          +2
          In the Syrian armed confrontation, everything happens not quite like in a normal war with a clear front line and a well-known enemy. In the Syrian conflict, there is also a lot of politics involved (even if it does not prevail). That is why not all the details of military operations we learn immediately. Information is strictly dosed because it is used in modern warfare as one of the most powerful ammunition! Therefore, it is used in a precisely calibrated place and time! Otherwise, the target will not be hit.
      3. Bluesman
        Bluesman 11 December 2015 07: 52 New
        -15
        Quote: Shick
        moreover, the journalist himself must be objective and not occupy anyone's position.

        You confuse analytical journalism with news) Yes, and what objectivity do you expect from a brainwashing machine? Recently, in traffic jams I prefer the informational “Charcot's douche” - from Vesti FM to Echo, then to RSN, etc. A solid subjective, but not boring.
      4. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 11 December 2015 08: 17 New
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        Quote: Shick
        I can’t watch his programs, just patience is not enough ..
        pure propaganda ..
        moreover, the journalist himself must be objective and not occupy anyone's position.


        Tell Savik Schuster this. And Matvey of Ganapolsky. And all this shusher from journalism with the "echo matzah".
        1. Bluesman
          Bluesman 11 December 2015 08: 50 New
          -3
          Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
          Tell Savik Schuster this. And Matvey of Ganapolsky. And all this shusher from journalism with the "echo matzah".

          Hamburg account - all engaged and purchased. They are just mediators who clothe information circulars lowered from above into a digestible "hawk for people". There are no exceptions. Solovyov and, for example, Ganapolsky - just two poles, the essence is, in general, one.
          1. Bluesman
            Bluesman 11 December 2015 13: 14 New
            +1
            Quote: Bluesman
            essence, in general, is one.

            huh! Judging by the minuses, it turns out that there are idealists who believe in an incorruptible, objective, unbiased, "no acre truth!" journalism. Hypnopedia sessions from the first channel bring results. Well, what do these recipients of the information product sitting down in front of the TV are sure: “Well, you won’t manipulate me! They didn’t attack me! ..” Sergey Yuryevich Belyakov from Taganrog is forever!
    3. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 11 December 2015 07: 45 New
      +2
      Intelligence works well, it's a good indicator!
      1. Shick
        Shick 11 December 2015 11: 00 New
        -2
        then it is necessary to invite an equal number of people according to their views.
        its transfer resembles a bazaar in which everyone yells
        and those who say that we are moving within the framework of a sound policy, both internal and external, immediately receive approval ..
        and the promise of one king is good boyars are bad!

        What about Erdogan? didn’t anyone know that he was banning oil with ISIS ??? Yes, of course, as the ass was so hot that it flew across all the channels, how bad and not good it was.
        1. Bluesman
          Bluesman 11 December 2015 11: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Shick
          then it is necessary

          I’m a plus, but, I'm afraid, he will drown in the “disapproving” of fans of the “truth-uterus in Solovyov’s style”)
      2. Kent0001
        Kent0001 11 December 2015 12: 42 New
        0
        I agree, intelligence is big +.
  2. Wolka
    Wolka 11 December 2015 05: 35 New
    +2
    I realized that one of the tasks for the flyers was to work out the main area and goals, check the intelligence data and once again clarify the areas where the enemy was concentrated for a subsequent preventive strike ...
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 11 December 2015 10: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Volka
      I realized that one of the tasks for the flyers was to work out the main area and goals, check the intelligence data and once again clarify the areas where the enemy was concentrated for a subsequent preventive strike ...

      Su-24, pre-planned this attack and inflicted it from an ambush

      See the original material at http://www.1tv.ru/news/world/298052
  3. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 11 December 2015 05: 35 New
    +4
    Probably this version is not the last, but I’m clear one thing: Russian planes interfered there. There were many detachments there, and for what they were preparing, in any case, to seize part of the territory of Syria. Or to control tankers or just chop off part of the Syrian land.
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 11 December 2015 10: 15 New
      +6
      Quote: dchegrinec
      Probably this version is not the last, but I’m clear one thing: Russian planes interfered there. There were many detachments there, and for what they were preparing, in any case, to seize part of the territory of Syria. Or to control tankers or just chop off part of the Syrian land.

      The opinion of Russian experts was confirmed by Pierre Spray, one of the most famous American military analysts, having substantiated his point of view in an interview with the authoritative Harpers magazine. He stressed that the Turkish F-16s, and Spray, by the way, is one of the developers of this aircraft, flew out on a mission 75 minutes before the appearance of our bombers and all this time they were hiding from radars.
      "The low and high fuel consumption barrage of F-16 fighters, a wonderful coincidence in time with the arrival of Russian aircraft and the fact that they did not even chase the plane immediately after the violation attributed to it - all this very much looks like a pre-planned operation. Turks allowed the Russian aircraft to strike at the target and go on a long, 7-8-minute U-turn for a new attack, only after that they left their position hidden at a low altitude, climbed a little higher to a height convenient for shelling, hit the Su-24, dived under the radar’s review threshold, while entering the Syrian airspace, and flew back to the base, "the expert said.
      According to Pierre Spray, it was not difficult to set up an ambush, since Russia had previously informed the Americans about the route plans, and through them, all the participants in the so-called Western coalition. He also noted that no warnings had been received by the Turkish pilots from the Turkish side. The place where the attack took place was described by Spray as follows: “This is a border crossing used by the Turks to transport jihadists to Syria. A rather lively movement of trucks also goes through it, including, apparently, many fuel trucks.”

      See the original material at http://www.1tv.ru/news/world/298052
  4. kil 31
    kil 31 11 December 2015 05: 35 New
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    The main thing is not to stop flying and bombing there. Barmaley will want to repeat this operation anyway.
    1. Just BB
      Just BB 11 December 2015 05: 53 New
      +3
      Something tells me (such as the "inner voice") that the barmaleis have already "adapted" to the flights of our aircraft during the bombing.
      It is understandable: they do not fly silently, and the barmalei do not sit along the front line in the trenches of a full profile - they can crumble like cockroaches on the first rustle - catch them with one bomb strike.
      One can’t do without a good “pest control”. Local - tired.
      But the "democratic" impostors can make a fuss and then they themselves, like cockroaches, will not be eradicated from Syrian soil.
      They will be as usual "in chocolate" and show off their victory.
      1. Patriot 1
        Patriot 1 11 December 2015 06: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Just VV
        Something tells me (such as the "inner voice") that the barmaleis have already "adapted" to the flights of our aircraft during the bombing.
        It is understandable: they do not fly silently, and the barmalei do not sit along the front line in the trenches of a full profile - they can crumble like cockroaches on the first rustle - catch them with one bomb strike.

        Here for this there is a shock "mix". We heard the plane, hid, but the cruise missile (Caliber) .... even if you hear, you still don’t have time to hide ...
        1. Just BB
          Just BB 11 December 2015 18: 26 New
          0
          The best “mix” is Private Ivanov and the captain Petrov’s helicopter behind his head
      2. perm23
        perm23 11 December 2015 06: 14 New
        +3
        We also tell our partners where we are going to fly, and they will certainly tell the moderate about it. It is necessary to take off the white gloves and fight. Although of course we do not know exactly what is there and how.
  5. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 11 December 2015 05: 44 New
    -14
    Boreev would be in the Mediterranean
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 11 December 2015 05: 50 New
      16
      Quote: cth; fyn
      Boreev would be in the Mediterranean

      I wonder why? just to "blurt out" something?
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 11 December 2015 07: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: cth; fyn
      Boreev would be in the Mediterranean

      and what will they do in this puddle? target to work?
  6. noWAR
    noWAR 11 December 2015 05: 47 New
    +2
    The news slipped through that our 34s shuganul f16 Turks yesterday, well, if true.
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 11 December 2015 08: 03 New
      +8
      noWAR
      The news slipped through that our 34s shuganul f16 Turks yesterday, well, if true.

      Dear! hi
      If you share this news, please indicate the link to the skipping rope.
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  7. From Samara
    From Samara 11 December 2015 05: 51 New
    +5
    Yes, all this is understandable ... Only now we ourselves are to blame, we miscalculated, it’s not worth it to write down our friends as friends ...

    But at first, after all, the Fighters That covered!
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 11 December 2015 07: 45 New
      0
      Quote: From Samara
      Yes, all this is understandable ... Only now we ourselves are to blame, we miscalculated, it’s not worth it to write down our friends as friends ...

      But at first, after all, the Fighters That covered!

      Ours flew in pairs in the "free hunting" mode. You can’t attach a fighter to each pair. Another thing was that there was a pair of fighters on duty near the Turkish border in the air for cover.
  8. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 11 December 2015 05: 52 New
    +2
    Such difficult situations. Apparently, this is the case in everything. If you tell everything in advance to everyone, then it will turn out completely wrong.
  9. Belarus
    Belarus 11 December 2015 06: 41 New
    +6
    I agree that the videoconferencing system thwarted this operation, which was covered by Turkey. I watched one video this:
    so there is information that su 24 finished off Turkish air defense from the ground (this is by the way)
    Correctly say that Perdogan rave about the expansion of the territory of Turkey and Europe is silent because of the threat of Turkey to open the gate to Europe to refugees.
    So, they correctly said that if a person is obsessed with an idea, they will stupidly try to achieve it and one must be prepared for this on any side.
  10. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 11 December 2015 07: 57 New
    +1
    Belarus
    Correctly say that Perdogan rave about the expansion of the territory of Turkey and Europe is silent due to the threat of Turkey to open the gate to Europe to refugees

    Greetings! hi
    I think that expanding the territory of Turkey and enhancing its influence in the Middle East is more the desire of the United States than Erdogan.
    The United States, seeing Russia returning to big politics as a Big and Strong player, realized that bets on Al Qaeda and Daesh could no longer be placed. Just like a starting shot for a mess. EU and NATO members, after Iraq and Libya, do not really want to enter this region even on the orders of the United States. Someone must represent US interests there. Turkey is the last US outpost in the region. The rest began to show their independence from the opinion of the United States and the fact that they still had reason.
    1. Belarus
      Belarus 11 December 2015 09: 23 New
      0
      I don’t agree with you all. In particular, Turkey is an outpost of the United States in this region. In my opinion, the Turks in every way want to get out of the influence of the Americans, and to be honest, the Americans have exactly the strength to unleash hellish fun around the world and remain the only country in the world where everything is fine.
      1. puffnutiy
        puffnutiy 11 December 2015 16: 00 New
        0
        It seems to me that the Turks are eager for oil at any cost. For this, they climbed into Iraq. The United States, it seems to me, has nothing to do with it.
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  11. pimen
    pimen 11 December 2015 09: 01 New
    +3
    there is only one reason for our drying attack - to probe how far we are ready to go in response
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 December 2015 09: 49 New
    0
    On this tragedy (the destruction of our aircraft) I want to say that at this point the plans and interests of the two NATO countries - the United States and Turkey - agreed. Therefore, both Turkey, with whose hands it is committed, is responsible for this crime, and the United States is the organizer and inspirer.
  13. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 11 December 2015 10: 22 New
    +1
    And yet, probably a big batch can not be avoided.
    They cannot agree on peace in Syria.
    The mattresses have elections in 2016, they there all their ears buzzed that Assad is evil and they are fighting with him.
    Therefore, his departure for mattresses is so fundamentally important, for the solution of the Syrian problem with the preservation of Assad is perceived by them as a defeat.
    Mattresses are like a crocodile - it has no reverse gear. A dumb reptile can only kill.
    Therefore, it’s time for us to abandon the illusions of some kind of “honestly almost partners” and the possibility of developing common rules of action that apply only to ourselves.
    A precedent with an incident has been created, there is no faith, and we must act to ensure maximum protection for our aviation. Everything that appears in the affected area should go astray - for it’s not fucking.
  14. rotor
    rotor 11 December 2015 13: 30 New
    0
    The true causes of the attack on the Su-24


    There was no doubt that Russia's intervention in the Syrian conflict mixed cards for all players in the Middle East, and Turkey has long dreamed of Syrian lands, which it considers its own since the Ottoman Empire.

    Therefore, Erdogan, when he gave the order to shoot down the Russian Su-24, hoped that with the support of the West, guaranteed 5 tbsp. NATO’s charter, he will be able to give his answer to Russia's intervention in the Syrian conflict. Erdogan said that if Russia crashes a Turkish plane in the sky of Syria, he will give an order to send troops to Syria. In full, his hopes were not realized.
  15. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 11 December 2015 19: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Shick

    moreover, the journalist himself must be objective and not occupy anyone's position.

    A journalist out of position, a supermodel as a clothes hanger, a car as a means of transportation ... and in the end, life as a way of existence of protein bodies. Is this your world? Enchanting!