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Tricky comments. It hurts - not always humiliating

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No, well, not the same. Straight into the dirt face the whole organization. Fly, you know, bombed by some kind of "stupid" bombs. And the nastiest, fall. But in general, they are shooting from the Caspian Sea. Rockets. And those who should fly 300 kilometers, and for some reason fly a thousand and a half. And they, too, fall. No, Western Europe will never understand this Eastern Eurasian.




After all, if civilized countries create something, they will definitely tell about it. And so, with perspective. They created a gun with a range of 40-50 km, and they will tell you that if anything ... then it will be like a bullet. Or there, have developed a draft aircraft. It seems to be different from the previous one. So, urgently conduct a PR campaign to promote this "brainchild." Moreover, it is necessary to write the most fantastic TTH. To the enemy (of course, the potential, the Europeans are not going to fight) for fear in the pants put ... Everyones there unauthorized investments.

Well, there was a confusion. They chose a stupid ruler to beat Russian nerves. Even the plane was shot down. People killed. And in response? No, to knock down some license F, so not the same. They made the air defense systems, all EW. Again, from somewhere this cruiser drove. Moreover, purely Russian. The cruiser is old. For a long time requiring modernization, and repair. Nobody paid much attention to the veteran ... Well, he doesn’t drown himself, and that’s good.

But it turned out, meanly armed his C-300. And purely Russian, called differently. So that means intelligence got confused. What is this weapon such And now the best analytical minds of Western intelligence agencies think about what else might be there.

I'm not talking about these submarine dumb. Melted, you know. Well, you have silent boats, and there are. What flora and fauna underwater scare? Yes, and shoot ... Damn, boats shoot, submarines shoot.

Recently, in a strictly secret CIA report, the scouts pointed to some completely unknown weapon. And, after all, Russian cunning, the first samples of these weapons were developed in Russia before the revolution. Most importantly, the location of these weapons would never have occurred to democratic and barbaric countries. No one except Russian.

Do not believe it, but the weapons are located in ... theaters of Russia. And do not hide completely. No underground casemates. No top secret tunnels. Even the dugouts do not dig. Right on the stage hang on the wall. So that those to whom it is supposed to see, do not sleep defenders.

You still do not understand what I mean? Yes, about the very gun on the wall. That classic wrote about. If it hangs, then you want it or not, but in the third act you have to shoot it. No, of course I understand that the gun can not shoot far. It is hunting. But on the other hand ... Calibers, too, were "close combat."

Why am I doing this? Why, at a meeting of NATO foreign ministers, they were actively discussing questions of the very same order that I wrote.

According to the Permanent Representative to NATO Alexander Grushko, the ministers discussed the strengthening of air defense and grouping in the Mediterranean. It turns out that even a small grouping of Russian ships can cause fear. Why did it happen? Are the ministers really afraid of Russian sailors? No, of course. Everyone understands that Russians are not so stupid as to attack.

We have gone through too many wars. They didn’t watch on TV as Americans, didn’t read in newspapers, like Australians or Canadians. We fought in these wars. They fought to the death. Everything. From small to large. Who is at the front, and who is in the rear. But everyone fought.

The ministers fear that among the alliance there will be another inadequate. One was found. So no one will give guarantees anymore. And Russia will answer just adequately. To complete.

But most importantly, the ministers discussed the deployment of British military aircraft at the Turkish military base Incirlik. For what? Who knows. Most likely, the Turkish inadequate is no longer an oddity. With the emergence of serious Russian weapons in Syria, and most importantly, after the statements of Russian President Vladimir Putin, it's awesome to harm your health.

I understand that NATO members are "flowing around." It is sad to know that the alliance has driven itself into a trap from which there is no way out. It is necessary either to change the Charter, or to change the format of the organization. They are intensely seeking a way out. But the exit is not always where the entrance is. Output in a simple networking with Russia.

Not through foreign ministers. Not through the press. Not through presidents and chancellors. For a long time there was a proven peer relationship scheme. Contacts at the military level made it possible to quickly resolve minor incidents. It did not require numerous arrangements and negotiations. The plane flew into the border area - sorry. The pilot is young. We will punish and will not happen again. And that's all. Ships gathered to shoot. Hello, gentlemen, comrades, sirs and other lords, please kindly do it, please do not swim in such a square. And if any stupid brute does not understand the cultural language, then let her take offense herself.

And what is being asked, I was not asked how to normalize relations ... Or am I too clever. Or they are too ... wrong. Only here, if there are a lot of those who are not, then the world can do that ...

And do not want to.
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  1. izya top
    izya top 7 December 2015 06: 59
    22
    They are intensely seeking a way out.
    well? enter into nature? in the Netherlands repeat
    1. afrikanez
      afrikanez 7 December 2015 07: 51
      13
      Something like I don’t want to be like them! stop
      1. domokl
        domokl 7 December 2015 08: 18
        +9
        bully We will follow a parallel course .. But to our goal ...
        1. bannik
          bannik 7 December 2015 22: 42
          +2
          If to our goal, then perpendicular!
      2. Serafim-k
        Serafim-k 10 December 2015 05: 11
        0
        Quote: afrikanez
        Something like I don’t want to be like them! stop

        He put the author - for civilian countries, what is it .. civilians can, and not civilians can .. ??
    2. cniza
      cniza 7 December 2015 08: 21
      +7
      Quote: iza top
      They are intensely seeking a way out.
      well? enter into nature? in the Netherlands repeat



      Well, that would not pamper. They frantically try to keep the importance and significance, but Erdogan shit so that they don’t wash off for a long time ... something must be surrendered.
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    4. marlin1203
      marlin1203 7 December 2015 08: 44
      +7
      A belated exhaust about nothing with a claim to "humor". The situation is serious, people in the Middle East are dying en masse, our military is in danger every day, Russia is opposed to half of the world. Someone has fun ...
      1. domokl
        domokl 7 December 2015 09: 10
        +4
        Quote: marlin1203
        Belated exhaust about nothing

        Specially climbed in to see ... The meeting was held on December 5 ... How then to understand about a late exhaust?
        And for the rest ... Your position is strange ... Prefer to tear your hair and shed tears? People are dying en masse ... But are we responsible for all the people and should we save everyone with our lives? We help. But you need to fight for your own country. For their own interests.
    5. The Chat
      The Chat 7 December 2015 12: 24
      0
      Quote: izya top
      They are intensely seeking a way out.

      And there is no way out, but there is only an entrance,
      and then not that .....
      (Vysotsky)
    6. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 7 December 2015 16: 18
      +5
      The Democratic West does not recognize Assad’s repeated elections, so the West supports the Syrian gangs, which do not hold elections at all.

      Just think about it: the United States officially supports the civil war in Syria, but accuses the Russian Federation of shadow support for the Donbass!
    7. SAXA.SHURA
      SAXA.SHURA 8 December 2015 19: 50
      0
      It’s not funny, because it’s necessary to be like a Russian fist ready to tear down anyone’s jaw at any moment, at least the Turkish snout, at least any, and everyone on the globe should know this. That's it.
    8. Weyland
      Weyland 9 December 2015 00: 45
      0
      Quote: izya top
      by the most netherlands


      Or в the Netherlands itself? In the sense that in France allegorically the Netherlands ("Lower Lands") called some parts of the human body - sometimes the ass, and sometimes vice versa smile
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  2. Glot
    Glot 7 December 2015 07: 10
    +7
    I understand that NATO members are "flowing around." It is sad to know that the alliance has driven itself into a trap from which there is no way out. It is necessary either to change the Charter, or to change the format of the organization. They are intensely seeking a way out. But the exit is not always where the entrance is. Output in a simple networking with Russia.


    I very much doubt that they will establish contacts with us. Since whatever happens in the East, and even with them in this regard, we will always be for them - enemies, competitors.
    And especially rely on some of their steps to a meeting, and even more so to trust these steps is not worth it. In order not to deceive ourselves and not regret in the future.
    1. Nat1961
      Nat1961 7 December 2015 07: 53
      16
      I agree! But it’s even more stupid to consider the USA as morons! And this has recently become fashionable in the Russian press! Amerikosy think through all the moves! Let’s think about it, but is Turkey really inadequate? Or maybe he just makes adequate moves calculated from overseas!
      1. Riv
        Riv 7 December 2015 08: 03
        15
        But NATO really does not look ... the best way. What the secretary general gives out does not climb into any gates. And the States last flowed like this when they shot Powers down. And ours, such a feeling, was specially waiting for Eisenhower to issue another pearl. Literally:
        - The Russians didn’t shoot anyone down!
        - Shot down, here are the wreckage.
        - The plane got lost!
        - But the spy equipment has survived ...
        - The pilot died: (((
        - The pilot is alive and gives evidence.
        Then they also held an exhibition in Moscow, showing everyone who wanted the wreckage of the aircraft and the investigation materials.
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      3. Glot
        Glot 7 December 2015 10: 54
        +1
        But it’s even more stupid to consider the USA as morons!


        It's right.
        Do not rule the world. The USA is far from being, they are players, rearrange pieces in the world game, make moves as they need and profitably.
  3. inkass_98
    inkass_98 7 December 2015 07: 13
    16
    the alliance has driven itself into a trap from which there is no way out.

    I would not count on it. They will do everything according to the old pattern - they will forget, making the face a chopper.
    "And the culprit is a general, an intriguer and an immoral. It is he, a cow's muzzle, who defrauded the Tsarev's honor." (FROM). And that's all. Who in their right mind now remembers the ill-fated Boeing in the Ruin? Virtually no one, and the investigation will go as long as necessary for complete oblivion by Western residents. The same will happen here.
    1. Bath
      Bath 7 December 2015 08: 12
      +9
      Yes, and you can’t see the couple that NATO is flowing around here that we are responding to the blood with tomatoes.
      1. domokl
        domokl 7 December 2015 09: 12
        +1
        Quote: Bath
        we are responsible for blood with tomatoes

        Do you prefer that our tourists, who will not leave until the end of their trip, should become hostages there? Or are you ready to take a machine gun and go to the border to fight? It is necessary to act quickly only with ponies. And revenge is served "cold" ...
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 7 December 2015 09: 50
          +7
          Quote: domokl
          Do you prefer that our tourists, who will not leave until their trip ends, should become hostages there?

          Tourists were taken out of Egypt in a swoop and very vigorously. In Turkey, they are now much smaller. What is the problem of evacuating?

          Quote: domokl
          And revenge is served "cold" ...

          A good spoon for dinner: while we chill our revenge to the right temperature, the opponent will completely lose fear. And here it is no longer revenge, but will have to openly fight.
        2. KaPToC
          KaPToC 7 December 2015 22: 53
          -1
          Our people don’t take a taxi to the bakery.
    2. Kalmar
      Kalmar 7 December 2015 08: 43
      +8
      Quote: inkass_98
      I would not count on it. They will do everything according to the old pattern - they will forget, making the face a chopper.

      This is not a shame, but the fact that we, in essence, act according to the same scheme. The entire response to the Turks was reduced to sanctions on the import of tomatoes (and something else there) and formidable promises "not to forget and not to forgive." The build-up of air defense at our bases in Syria is already so, waving fists after a fight.

      But the West is not going to forget anything; for him, this situation is a signal that Russia, if desired, can be served well, and without much risk of retaliation. And this is already fraught with sideways.
  4. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 7 December 2015 07: 14
    +3
    good article ............ echidnenko and relevant !!!
  5. oleg46
    oleg46 7 December 2015 07: 26
    0
    With humor, with ours, with Russian, which even seasoned analysts in Langley are not always able to understand. good
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 7 December 2015 07: 26
    +2
    The solution is to simply establish contacts with Russia.... But there would be a desire, but there is no desire..NATO for which it was created, to contain the USSR, then it began to expand, against Russia .. And what is NATO for, if it will not frighten Russia .. And really cooperate .. it's from the realm of fiction
  7. oleg46
    oleg46 7 December 2015 07: 30
    -1
    On the other hand, is everything so rosy "in the kingdom of Danish", that is, to be sarcastic about everything that happens in the camp of our enemy (let's be honest in the definitions!) -NATO?
    1. domokl
      domokl 7 December 2015 08: 16
      +1
      laughing If you follow your logic, then you need to write only about how bad it is with us ...
      But for some reason, they don’t think so in NATO. Yes, and ISIS is the same
  8. Svarog5570
    Svarog5570 7 December 2015 07: 30
    +3
    Yes, they won’t look for any contacts, they have one thought in their mind to surround Russia with their bloc, it’s bad that in the northern ocean there are not so many countries ready to bend under NATO.
    1. domokl
      domokl 7 December 2015 08: 15
      0
      Where will they go? Whether you like it or not, there are two options, in my opinion .... Either contact, or "friendly fire". Who needs it?
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 December 2015 07: 35
    0
    the alliance has driven itself into a trap from which there is no way out

    Perhaps so, but they don’t want to make contacts with Russia, and obviously they won’t. The United States, as the main NATO member, has problems growing like a snowball, but instead of taking reasonable decisions and acting in the right direction, they again face threats from sanctions, now to Russia and Iran. When God deprived the mind, and at the same time, the deprived imagines himself the arbiter of the destinies of mankind, one should not expect good.
  10. Russia
    Russia 7 December 2015 07: 47
    +3
    We have gone through too many wars. They didn’t watch on TV as Americans, didn’t read in newspapers, like Australians or Canadians. We fought in these wars. They fought to the death. Everything. From small to large. Who is at the front, and who is in the rear. But everyone fought.

    Exactly!!! soldier
    Just add - "And the victory was obtained, but not appropriated!"
    1. Decathlon
      Decathlon 7 December 2015 08: 35
      +3
      By the way, Australians and Canadians participated in World War II, and they also suffered losses: 23.000 and 39.000, respectively. Not so hot, but, in fairness hi
  11. ImPerts
    ImPerts 7 December 2015 07: 48
    10
    Let it scratch turnips. Let them think. The more they scratch and think, the more fear. And the more fear, the more respect. bully
    1. Dmitry Donskoy
      Dmitry Donskoy 7 December 2015 20: 25
      +1
      The harvester is not enough in the picture laughing
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 7 December 2015 21: 37
        0
        And the famous figure of five fingers on the "Armata" chassis. laughing
      2. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 7 December 2015 21: 37
        0
        And the famous figure of five fingers on the "Armata" chassis. laughing
  12. Snail N9
    Snail N9 7 December 2015 08: 01
    -1
    Another example of "barracks humor".
  13. Raskolnik
    Raskolnik 7 December 2015 08: 06
    +1
    Quote: Nat1961
    Amerikosy think through all the moves!

    Well, you can argue with that. At least the little green men the CIA overslept. And "Caliber" was a revelation at the Pentagon
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 7 December 2015 08: 15
      +3
      Quote: Raskolnik
      And "Caliber" was a revelation at the Pentagon

      Are you serious? The revelation in this was, their only application ..
  14. Megatron
    Megatron 7 December 2015 08: 08
    +1
    Is the article trying to justify exchanging our plane for tomatoes?
    1. domokl
      domokl 7 December 2015 08: 14
      +5
      Where did you read it, if not secret? I realized that the conversation was about the meeting of the Foreign Ministries of the NATO countries and the issues that they discussed ... What is your comment?
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 7 December 2015 08: 49
        +2
        I just understood that, especially in the beginning they write about it.
        I look urakryaki below again began to display winning pictures.
        But in fact, what? Another concern or note of protest?

        Okay, Iraq is there like a girl whining about Turkey’s military invasion of its territory, crying that it will go to the UN to complain. It turns out we are at about the same level and are.

        Of course, you can treat Israel differently, I have a very mixed attitude towards them, but our vast country needs to learn a lot from them.

        And then we have a horror-story complex since Soviet times "if only there was no war" - under this slogan the power was given to the shitcrats and the country was pissed away.
  15. press officer
    press officer 7 December 2015 08: 12
    +4
    Quote: iza top
    They are intensely seeking a way out.
    well? enter into nature? in the Netherlands repeat


    yeah. for the most they are! bully soldier
  16. rudolff
    rudolff 7 December 2015 08: 56
    14
    Those missiles that must fly 300 km, 300 and fly. 3M54 purely RCC. And the fact that 3M14 had a range of at least 1,5 km was not only not concealed, but also actively advertised. The only surprise was that Iran and Iraq allowed the passage of missiles over its territory, but not the launch range, as such.
    The performance characteristics of Moscow in general, and the performance characteristics of the Fort air defense system in particular, have long been the secret of the General. Americans know Moscow as a native.
    As for the "black holes" ... If we are talking about the Varshavyankas, Rostov alone got lost somewhere during the transition to the Black Sea Fleet, there are no others in the Mediterranean.
    We are able to publicize the equipment that is not even in the form of a project or pass off an easy upgrade as a giant breakthrough, even better than the Americans.
    I have heard that NATO is "flowing around" all my adult life. And the last 25 years that is about to fall apart. And it is still expanding and expanding ... Now Montenegro is next in line.
    What is the article about? I remember such an event in my youth: political information on Mondays ...
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 7 December 2015 09: 00
      +2
      Well, yes, it is rightly said about the decaying west, which everything rots and rots.
  17. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 7 December 2015 08: 58
    +2
    NATO just now probably realized that there are moments that could put the existence of not only NATO itself into question. That's what they thought ..
  18. Gardamir
    Gardamir 7 December 2015 09: 02
    +9
    Patriotism is certainly good, but patriotism of idiots is already too much. What are they calling us everywhere for? Around everywhere stupid people. In Europe, stupid people, in Omeriki stupid people. Against these, we seem to be wow.
    I see because of age in the old fashioned way. that it’s more interesting to defeat a smart opponent. And if in NATO stupid people, in Krajin stupid people, in Turkey stupid people, then we’ll wait for it to resolve itself.
  19. matross
    matross 7 December 2015 10: 29
    +3
    The author keeps us for the idiots? I had a better opinion of him ... And the "hee-hee" style generally jarred, to put it mildly. Is this inertia from feuilletons about Ukraine?
  20. 0255
    0255 7 December 2015 10: 39
    +2
    Too cheers-patriotic article. NATO shot down our plane, bombing Syria despite the fact that
    Set up air defense systems, all kinds of electronic warfare. Again, from somewhere the cruiser drove this.

    And we are laughing:
    I understand that NATO members are "flowing around." It is sad to know that the alliance has driven itself into a trap from which there is no way out. It is necessary either to change the Charter, or to change the format of the organization. They are intensely seeking a way out. But the exit is not always where the entrance is. Output in a simple networking with Russia.

    The West has already completely crossed all limits. In the event of a conflict with him it will not be funny.
  21. Belousov
    Belousov 7 December 2015 11: 33
    +1
    What is the article about? Transfusion from empty to empty? What is new told us?
    1. domokl
      domokl 7 December 2015 12: 21
      -2
      Quote: Belousov
      What is new told us?

      Quite quickly I went to see what’s here and how ... I read your comment and dared ... I can’t say that I read often, but in all articles the same position .. Either nothing new, or someone somewhere about this wrote laughing What is this? Comp laughing Lex editor?
  22. iouris
    iouris 7 December 2015 11: 39
    +1
    Are they keeping us useful idiots?
  23. Killj
    Killj 7 December 2015 14: 43
    +1
    how much grass was smoked while it was being written?
  24. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 7 December 2015 16: 40
    0
    Quote: iouris
    Are they keeping us useful idiots?

    Did you think otherwise? Look at our government, how it "actively" strengthens our defenses by its inability to manage the economy for the benefit of the country, and not its friends / oligarchs' owners! am
  25. DHA
    DHA 7 December 2015 17: 40
    -3
    Quote: The Cat
    About tomatoes ... Import substitution in action. The result of sanctions. Weekly price changes in the store:
    A week ago: Turkish - 70 rubles \ kg, domestic - 173,5 rubles \ kg.
    This weekend: there is no Turkey, there is Morocco - 99 rubles / kg, the same domestic - 255 rubles / kg.

    Cheap tomatoes in a week. due to the replacement of the country, they have become more expensive by 29 rubles (41,5 percent). Domestic, due to lower imports into the country and increased demand, have become more expensive by 81,5 rubles (47 percent).

    Who will reimburse me for the increased cost of food if someone at the top is "afraid" of force to respond by force and instead imposes sanctions against their people?

    Typical ... only thinks about his belly, someone would have fought for him, and he ate cheap tomatoes on the couch.
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 7 December 2015 19: 15
      +2
      What does the belly have to do with it? Prices over the past year have not jumped mercifully, for some groups of goods - already 2-2.5 times and continue to grow.

      And our native government introduces new lessons, is not shy.

      Or are you from the deputy corps, which has 500.000 zp and they are all on the drum.
  26. looker-on
    looker-on 7 December 2015 19: 27
    0
    And I will support about tomatoes. Unfortunately, I think about my children (yes, not about myself). Something tells me that parents did not buy Turkish children something even 10% more expensive because of sanctions from Russia. But mine will have to. And yours too. Judging by the exclamations above, the children need to say: - "Sonny! Be patient! This is politics and our statehood! Figs with them with tomatoes and fruits. We will buy tomatoes rotten and less. And oranges ... yes figs with them! There are seasonal apples! - chew. Now we will pile NATO and uhh we will heal! " Yes, yes, son. they should have been in 1905, then in 1917, and many times after that, but now a little bit is left. Your great-grandfather endured (in both worlds + Finnish), your grandfather (Afghan), your father really let you down, but if people say so, it's all because your folder suffered for tomatoes and not for the "world" state of affairs and politics. But you sonny will not shame our surname, they will give you an automatic machine. The best in the world! AK is called! You, son, ask these busurmans! And these are pomodors, son of the evil one! And their cars are bourgeois too. And rest in the village will dry up better than their seashore. So, sonny, chew the apple and get ready for the TRP standard. And then there is the army and the war. A little more sonny! Literally 20 years old, well 30. This is the most important thing sonny. And forget about tomatoes and salted water - not for a Russian person, that's all. "
    1. Standard
      Standard 7 December 2015 19: 31
      -3
      Yorn, jerk.

      But now you will buy not 2 kg, but several pieces, but HEALTHY tomatoes.
      The problem is that for good relations of Turkey a lot of things came down. But there have been problems for a long time.
      Rejoice. that your son will not get sick from sick tomatoes - pomegranates - tangerines.
    2. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 7 December 2015 19: 41
      0
      I’ll buy for my children, I won’t buy something for myself, but at the same time they understand who there is someone ... and in our country as well ... and don’t need to hide behind children, it’s not like a man ... tighten your belt and go. ..
  27. looker-on
    looker-on 7 December 2015 19: 40
    +2
    Quote: Norma
    Yorn, jerk.

    But now you will buy not 2 kg, but several pieces, but HEALTHY tomatoes.
    The problem is that for good relations of Turkey a lot of things came down. But there have been problems for a long time.
    Rejoice. that your son will not get sick from sick tomatoes - pomegranates - tangerines.

    This is a question of choice, isn't it? If I am in a free country and a free man, I can decide for myself what is HEALTHY and what is not. Why does someone decide something for me in a "democratic" country?
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 7 December 2015 22: 57
      -1
      The quality of tomatoes does not depend on the degree of your freedom, you are completely free to make a choice in favor of Turkish genetically modified but cheap tomatoes.
  28. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 7 December 2015 19: 49
    0
    Quote: looker-on
    Quote: Norma
    Yorn, jerk.

    But now you will buy not 2 kg, but several pieces, but HEALTHY tomatoes.
    The problem is that for good relations of Turkey a lot of things came down. But there have been problems for a long time.
    Rejoice. that your son will not get sick from sick tomatoes - pomegranates - tangerines.

    This is a question of choice, isn't it? If I am in a free country and a free man, I can decide for myself what is HEALTHY and what is not. Why does someone decide something for me in a "democratic" country?

    Freedom of choice, freedom of choice is the MYTH !!! Yes, there is no simple choice for a simple person .... they created an illusion and that's all ... in the USSR there was also freedom of choice .... certain conditions were created, and we think, oh us freedom of choice))) do not tell ..
  29. looker-on
    looker-on 7 December 2015 20: 12
    0
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    Quote: looker-on
    Quote: Norma
    Yorn, jerk.

    But now you will buy not 2 kg, but several pieces, but HEALTHY tomatoes.
    The problem is that for good relations of Turkey a lot of things came down. But there have been problems for a long time.
    Rejoice. that your son will not get sick from sick tomatoes - pomegranates - tangerines.

    This is a question of choice, isn't it? If I am in a free country and a free man, I can decide for myself what is HEALTHY and what is not. Why does someone decide something for me in a "democratic" country?

    Freedom of choice, freedom of choice is the MYTH !!! Yes, there is no simple choice for a simple person .... they created an illusion and that's all ... in the USSR there was also freedom of choice .... certain conditions were created, and we think, oh us freedom of choice))) do not tell ..

    I agree. But there is a "but": in the USSR we chose from one position. Simply put, "take it and rejoice." Usually after an hour's line. By the way, there is an answer why there was a shortage in the richest country in the World? There was a shortage in the presence of the number 2 fleet in the whole world? Why were there queues for everything? Even in the cinema. I am happy to read the versions. But back to now: we are rapidly returning to the USSR. To the very same position of these same tomatoes. At the same time, this USSR is no longer realistic to recreate it. No way. Even through the war, it will not work. And the fleet is no longer number two. And not even three in the World. I'm not talking about quantity, I'm talking about potential. And so you can say about everything, alas. But we are rapidly being pulled into the war. Into the next alteration of the World. After which the "revival" of Russia will not happen in any way. Worse and better not. Because literally the whole World is against us. And the same China, oh what a conditional ally. In the event of a global showdown, the Urals will go to China. He is just waiting for the "bear" to stay.
  30. looker-on
    looker-on 7 December 2015 20: 26
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    Quote: Andrey VOV
    I’ll buy for my children, I won’t buy something for myself, but at the same time they understand who there is someone ... and in our country as well ... and don’t need to hide behind children, it’s not like a man ... tighten your belt and go. ..

    Are you not embarrassed that the richest country in the World has been tightening the "belt" for more than 100 years? Several generations of children are once again tightening their belts as they grow up. They are not homosexuals or weaklings. This was our great-grandfathers delaying. Our grandfathers. Fathers. We. And soon our children. Apparently somewhere they didn’t see it, right? It’s impossible to load everything on a generation like me, who yearn for a normal life. Well, it just doesn't work. And for the government, too, the tsar was changed and Gorbachev was branded and Yeltsin was chucked and Putin received. But we still can't get a stone flower. The Germans have 2 world losers coming out. The Japanese on the islands after the nuclear bombing, it comes out. For "gay" people, the blunt comes out on both sides of the oceans. And the Russians have something in the way. And oil has become cheaper and we do not know how to make microprocessors. China "backward and copying everything and everyone" can do everything, but we are a superpower, alas, no. Even if they are given to copy, we will not be able to recreate. No technology. And don't talk about "our tanks are the best in the world." 1-not the best but just on the level. 2 of them are still not enough for full.
  31. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 7 December 2015 20: 38
    +1
    Well, the old song ... oh, the old one .... and are you worn out, ragged, poor and hungry? And who do you work with if not a secret? And if you don’t like it that way ... well ahead, to those parts and countries where you don’t interferes ... where they are waiting right still with open arms ... why so ... calmly think, remember the story and understand perfectly that the effect of external and internal factors directed hundreds of years against Russia mother
  32. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 7 December 2015 20: 42
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    And stop whining .. whining how bad everything is ... for fun, and your suggestions in this situation ?? not just write everything bad, everything is gone ... the plaster is removed, the client leaves
  33. looker-on
    looker-on 7 December 2015 20: 43
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    Quote: Andrey VOV
    Well, the old song ... oh, the old one .... and are you worn out, ragged, poor and hungry? And who do you work with if not a secret? And if you don’t like it that way ... well ahead, to those parts and countries where you don’t interferes ... where they are waiting right still with open arms ... why so ... calmly think, remember the story and understand perfectly that the effect of external and internal factors directed hundreds of years against Russia mother

    I work as an engineer. Graduated from aviation. I make good money. I live in my house and drive a good car. And I really do not want people to come in like (or whatever) and say: And now we will give all this to the people. He needs. And you are a fist! (Or wrote on the forum "not that and not patriotic")
  34. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 7 December 2015 20: 46
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    Do not exaggerate, they will not come .... and thank God that the engineer means that you are doing the right thing, and not among the millionth of plankton ... they will not come, and less pissemism ... less ...
  35. looker-on
    looker-on 7 December 2015 20: 50
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    I apologize for the errors, I write from a mobile
  36. looker-on
    looker-on 7 December 2015 20: 53
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    I work in the field of GLONASS, etc. The truth is not for rockets but for cars. But we do our-Russian. True blocks are collected in China. At home, more expensive. And in the vein of discussion, this is doubly offensive. Alas, you can’t say in business: We’ll do it at home and do not care what is unprofitable
  37. Orionvit
    Orionvit 7 December 2015 21: 38
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    Quote: mihasik
    Quote: V.ic
    Quote: Azitral
    Didn’t they know Ukrainians and didn’t work together? There are complaints, but not in terms of work.

    There are Ukrainians and there are Ukrainians. It is necessary to separate the grain from the chaff.

    Well, if you separate, so separate. And who counted the Ukrainians and Ukrainians there? And in general, what about the tribe? Is this the one that the Austrians came up with 110 years ago? Or after 1991, Russians in Ukraine (on the outskirts. If translated from Old Russian into modern language) became completely sterile and became extinct, and the "wide" bred like cockroaches, up to 40 million?) These are not Ukrainians, but new Russians, who have looked into the mouth of the coveted "democracy".
    And if it’s correct, then in the modern translation they are not Ukrainians, but Okraintsy, i.e. extreme, which generally corresponds to their current state.
    Well, what did you want ....

    It happened five years ago to visit the Czech Republic. To Ukrainians zapadentsev there (as in all of Europe), the attitude of frankly swine. And normal to us, although also from Ukraine. You need to understand the difference between a Ukrainian and people from Ukraine. In Europe, this is well understood, especially in Poland. How much the Poles hate the Russians, but this is only hatred, for the Ukrainians, complete contempt and attitude as their hereditary slaves. Which they always were. There are two categories of Ukrainians, these are real (zapadentsy), and those who forgot that they are Russian.
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    2. Weyland
      Weyland 9 December 2015 01: 03
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      Quote: Orionvit
      There are two categories of Ukrainians, these are real (zapadentsy), and those who forgot that they are Russian.


      There is one the category of Ukrainians are those who have forgotten that they are Russians.
      And there is Rusyns, whom no one ever considered to be Ukrainians - until Stalin needed an excuse to sweep the Poles away from the "seedlings". It was then that the Rusyns were recorded as "Western Ukrainians"
    3. Weyland
      Weyland 9 December 2015 01: 07
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      Quote: Orionvit
      There are two categories of Ukrainians, these are real (zapadentsy), and those who forgot that they are Russian.


      There is one the category of Ukrainians are those who have forgotten that they are Russians.
      And there is Rusyns, whom no one ever considered to be Ukrainians - until Stalin needed an excuse to sweep the Poles away from the "seedlings". It was then that the Rusyns were recorded as "Western Ukrainians"
  38. looker-on
    looker-on 7 December 2015 22: 02
    +1
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    And stop whining .. whining how bad everything is ... for fun, and your suggestions in this situation ?? not just write everything bad, everything is gone ... the plaster is removed, the client leaves

    I'm not a politician. I'm a history buff. Based on this very story, I can only reason. How did Japan behave after the war? They reasoned simply: it did not work out with aircraft carriers and kamikazes would turn out to be cars, motorcycles and household goods. Very high quality and inexpensive. At first, everyone laughed at the same Honda and Toyota. Now nobody is laughing. And this is in conditions of "inaccessibility" of almost everything. Including resources and armies. I am silent about the fleet so necessary for the state surrounded from all sides by water. What prevents us from doing this? We do not yet have post-war devastation and are full of resources
    1. shura7782
      shura7782 7 December 2015 23: 07
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      Quote: looker-on
      What prevents us from doing this? We do not have a post-war devastation and are full of resources

      Really. What is in the way? Everyone is asking this question. The question is one of the main ones. We are distracted by minor issues. The topic is interesting.
    2. shura7782
      shura7782 7 December 2015 23: 07
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      Quote: looker-on
      What prevents us from doing this? We do not have a post-war devastation and are full of resources

      Really. What is in the way? Everyone is asking this question. The question is one of the main ones. We are distracted by minor issues. The topic is interesting.
  39. synniko
    synniko 8 December 2015 02: 09
    -4
    The best girls of Russia are gathered on one site

    Come in, see Phone numbers and photos of beauties.
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  41. Love
    Love 8 December 2015 22: 46
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    Quote: ordin64
    In Russia, I didn’t eat fresh tomatoes in winter.

    drinks So drink well for Russia - the country of evergreen tomatoes! laughing
  42. Rossmk
    Rossmk 9 December 2015 02: 19
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    Well, let them think, otherwise Perdogan’s foam of Ottomanism has flowed from his mouth.
  43. _GSVG_
    _GSVG_ 13 December 2015 12: 08
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    "We are Russians - what a delight!" A.V.Suvorov
  44. _GSVG_
    _GSVG_ 13 December 2015 12: 11
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    And if some stupid cattle do not understand the cultural language, then let herself be offended by herself.

    We must pick up the machine.