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Do I need to rename ISIS to Daishe? (Poll)

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Is it necessary to rename ISIS to DAISH?

I think that we should call “DAISH”, the name “ISIL” discredits such important concepts as “state”, “statehood”, “Islam”, “Islamic” - 928 (47.4%)
47.4%
Rename is not necessary, there is no point in this. ISIS is a translation into Russian of al-Dawla al-Islamiya al-Iraq al-Sham or DAISH - 975 (49.8%)
49.8%
Other, in the comments - 54 (2.76%)
2.76%
The second wave of ISIS rebranding in DAISH started the other day in Russia. And again caused strange sensations and emotions. As if it is really beneficial for someone that ISIS will be called something else. The Internet has been overwhelmed with references and citations to religious figures calling for this renaming.


Do I need to rename ISIS to Daishe? (Poll)


Began to understand where the wind is blowing.

Back in March of this year, the Interreligious Council of Russia at its meeting made a decision on which all Russian media were recommended to abandon the abbreviations IG and ISIS. According to members of the MCP, these abbreviations discredit the concepts of "Islam" and "state".

“We hope that the Russian media agree with our opinion on the inexpediency of disseminating in their information materials the abbreviations IG and ISIL, as well as the phrases“ Islamic State ”and“ Islamic State of Iraq and Levant ”discrediting such important concepts as“ state ”,“ statehood ” , “Islam”, “Islamic”, the statement of the Interreligious Council of Russia said.

Nevertheless, the former name of the group has been preserved in our media.

And now - the second wave.

Many Internet sources cite the first deputy chairman of the Spiritual Administration of Muslims of the Russian Federation, Damir Mukhetdinov.

“Islam cannot be associated with aggression, with negative things. But in the version that we see now - “Islamic State” - this name completely discredits Islam and the concept of “state”. Therefore, speaking of terrorists, we always supplement this name with the words "so-called" or "forbidden organization". When we say DAISH instead of “Islamic State” - thus we do not discredit the very concept of “Islam”. And we do not need to add such phrases as “so-called” and others, ”said Mukhetdinov on the air of Sputnik radio.

I confess I have not heard. But the conclusions made.

We do not discredit anything, calling the terrorists the way they called themselves. Just use the exact wording in Russian.

Then he noticed that RIA "News"has joined this campaign.

WASHINGTON, 1 Dec - RIA Novosti, Alexey Bogdanovsky. US President Barack Obama hopes that Russia will join the American coalition against the Islamic State (Arabic version DAISH, banned in Russia).

RIA News http://ria.ru/world/20151201/1333722658.html#ixzz3t5dk1kxq.

The logical question "who benefits" does not even want to ask. Just because everything is clear. So, for the sake of very strange circumstances, now after each abbreviation it will be necessary to write its name in Arabic, then translate and explain that it is one and the same. Beauty, and only!

Tolerance in action. It is obvious that some forces simply lobbied (possibly lobbied) through the Interreligious Council this matter. Why is it possible? Visit the official site of the MCP (http://interreligious.ru) and try to find there a word on this topic.

Apparently, the phrase "Islamic State" is really unpleasant for someone. As some representatives of Islam, crosses on churches in Norway, Christmas trees in Europe and the like are unpleasant. All under the sign of tolerance.

But now I refer to the site of the FSB of Russia.

The list of terrorist organizations prohibited by us has been published there. Here it is: http://www.fsb.ru/fsb/npd/terror.htm.

1. "Supreme Military Majlisul Shura of the United Mojaheds of the Caucasus".
2. "Congress of the peoples of Ichkeria and Dagestan."
3. Base (al-Qaeda).
4. Asbat al-Ansar (Lebanon).
5. Al-Jihad (Holy War) or Egyptian Islamic jihad".
6. 'Islamic group "(" Al-Gamaa al-Islamiya ").
7. 'Muslim Brotherhood"(" Al-Ikhwan al-Muslim ").
8. "The consignment islamic liberation ”(“ Hizb ut-Tahrir al-Islami ”).
9. Lashkar-i-Taiba.
10. “Jamaat-I-Islami” (“Islamic Group").
11. The Taliban movement.
12. 'Islamic Turkestan Party "(formerly"Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan ").
13. “Society of Social Reforms” (“Jamiyat al-Islah al-Ijtimai”).
14. “Revival Society islamic Heritage ”(“ Jamiyat Ihya at-Turaz al-Islami ”).
15. “House of Two Shrines” (“Al-Haramain”).
16. Jund Al-Sham (Army of Great Syria).
17. 'Islamic Jihad is the Jamaat of the Mujahideen. ”
18. “Al-Qaeda in the countries of the Islamic Maghreb” (the former name is “Salafist group of preaching and jihad”).
19. "Caucasus Emirate" ("Caucasian Emirate").
20. "Syndicate" Autonomous Military Terrorist Organization (ABTO) ".
21. "The terrorist community is a structural unit of the Right Sector organization in the territory of the Republic of Crimea."
22. 'Islamic state "(other names:" Islamic State of Iraq and Syria "," Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant "," Islamic State of Iraq and Sham ").
23. “Dzhebhat al-Nusra” (“Front for Victory”) (other names: “Jabha al-Nusra li-Ahl al-Sham” (“Front for the Support of Great Syria”).
24. All-Russian public movement "People’s Militia named after K. Minin and D. Pozharsky".

Nothing bothers anyone? I am confused by several facts.

1. Is the word "Islamic" too often on the list of organizations? If you look at the roots, it's easier to count non-Islamists. And in how many names flashes the word "Islamic" and "Muslim", everyone can count on their own.

The question arises: why all these banned organizations do not require an urgent translation into any other language, so as not to offend the feelings of Muslims?

2. In the list I did not see the organization DAISH. The "Islamic state" exists in as many as four interpretations. And DAISH is not. Yes, I agree, in many countries, LIH is called that way. So, as was the case from the very beginning. In Arabic transcription. And we took and translated into Russian. For the Russian person, al-Dawla al-Islamiya al-Iraq al-Sham is, of course, clearer than ISIS.

3. The most important thing. There is such a proverb in Russia: you cannot wash a black dog completely white. Well, we will not call ISIS ISIL, we will call DAISH. What will change from this?

Terrorists from ISIS will stop offering prayers to Allah? Stop mentioning his name, killing? Hardly.

And everything else is from the same opera. Many sources said that allegedly some transcription of Daesh is offensive to ISIS freaks. Funny to be honest. It seems that they watch our channels and read our media. Where can they be hooked and with what? Only a bomb or rocket of a Russian plane and a shell from tank, a bullet from AK made there. This is the thing.

It’s not the name that should distort the true admirers of Allah, but the presence of those who kill him and wipe out cultural monuments from the face of the earth. Not the mention of Islam in the names of terrorist organizations, but the very existence of these gangs, desecrating the very teachings of Islam.

That's what you have to fight. So that in the heads of true believers Muslims do not even creep in the thought of not only joining the ranks of the Iblis warriors, and not giving a sip of water and a piece of bread to the apostate who intends to join their ranks. And curse, as cursed traitors.

“After all, he is an obvious enemy for you!” (Sura “The Cow”, ayat 168).

For us too.

The common enemy, for some, is inherently alien, for others it is disguised as a co-religionist. Everyone must fight the way they can. Warrior - weaponsservant of God - prayer and appropriate fatwas. Then there will be a victory, one for all.

And how to call those who simply do not have the right to be called a Muslim is the third case.

However, if our fellow Muslims are really so aggravated by the name "Islamic State", then yes, it’s a sin not to meet them. We decided not to use this term more. We like very much the wording of Ramzan Kadyrov (May Allah bless him and welcome): "The IG is an iblis state."

May peace be above all, our cause is just, victory will be ours!
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  1. Jrvin
    Jrvin 2 December 2015 05: 24 New
    38
    Something reminds me of renaming the police to the police ... the name is different, the essence is the same.
    1. st25310
      st25310 2 December 2015 05: 29 New
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      In Russian, this is called an awl to change soap.
      1. andj61
        andj61 2 December 2015 08: 54 New
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        Quote: st25310
        In Russian, this is called an awl to change soap.

        Not at all. In the minds of non-Muslims, it is believed that an Islamic state is initially bad, because ISIS, that is, an Islamic state, creates terrible crimes. In Arabic, DAISH or (DAIS) means something like trampling in the mud, trampling - precisely because of this, terrorists do not allow their organization to be called DAISH, they simply call it Daul state.
        Therefore, I believe that it is worthwhile to call them as they do not like - and Islam in the eyes of non-Arabs at the same time has nothing to do with it, in any case, is not mentioned.
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          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 2 December 2015 14: 58 New
            +3
            Quote: Aleksandr72
            Truly - IG - Iblis State! and the fanatics are the children of shaitan.

            The name Iblis state behind itself staked out the United States.yes
            1. ammunition
              ammunition 3 December 2015 02: 03 New
              +1
              DEAR EDITORIAL SITE!

              Please.
              Throw away the results of the "survey" as soon as possible. They turned out because of the non-standard form of the "survey".
              For example -
              I entered the article. At the top it says - VOTE. And nothing more.
              Well, I think .. you need to click, and there will be a choice. Kukish with butter and not a choice !!! negative angry . It turned out - already voted.
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              And now I understand that (involuntarily) I voted for renaming to dolb. DAISH. I wanted to save it.
              And so many “voted”.
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              Yes, judge for yourself.
              More than 90% of readers do not want any "renaming". And in the results What ???
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              THROW OUT THE RESULTS. pzhlst. And do a new poll, in normal form.
        2. Aleksandr72
          Aleksandr72 2 December 2015 09: 03 New
          40
          And to me personally, as a Muslim by origin (in fact I am an atheist, but I respect any religion and feelings of believers), I like the name that these bastards covering their crimes with the name of Allah gave Ramzan Kadyrov. Truly - IS - Iblisovo state! and fanatics are the children of shaitan. Burn them in hell.
          I have the honor.
          1. Altona
            Altona 2 December 2015 10: 39 New
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            Quote: Aleksandr72
            And to me personally, as a Muslim by origin (in fact I am an atheist, but I respect any religion and feelings of believers), I like the name that these bastards covering their crimes with the name of Allah gave Ramzan Kadyrov. Truly - IS - Iblisovo state! and fanatics are the children of shaitan. Burn them in hell.
            I have the honor.

            -------------------------
            I sometimes read Zhezheshk Limonov. Recently, he published his research that the leaders of the militants take the names of the Companions of the Prophet or call themselves the descendants of the Prophet, which of course is not true. By this they want to legitimize themselves in the Islamic world, although they are related to the Prophet the same as the Germans to the ancient Aryans. Recently, the American film "Percy Jackson" caught my eye, where American teenagers were declared descendants of the Greek gods (for me it’s so complete nonsense, albeit with a claim to fantasy). In general, it became clear where the wind was blowing. American imposture is transplanted onto Arab soil, militant theses from the Qur'an are torn out of context and get-sign. In the same way, German Nazism-Hitlerism was created. The ancient myths-Atlantis, the Titans, the ancient Aryans, energy centers, and here you get the caste of the God-chosen were dragged by the ears (although the Germans themselves exist as a single nation for 200 years, as Ukrainians are 100 years old, and already are “ancient Ukrainians”). Everywhere you look, Mickey Mouse's ears stick out everywhere, Hitler loved Hollywood production and German cinema shot his films in this vein.
        3. PAM
          PAM 2 December 2015 10: 42 New
          +6
          in fact, the ISIS abbreviation was distributed by journalists (thereby helping terrorists of all stripes (praising Allah by covering up things for the sake of Shaitan) conduct propaganda), as well as they have been fighting for years in Syria and Iraq, they have been called Daesh (awkward, bad), so you need to fix the mistake and call DAISH everywhere.
        4. Sunjar
          Sunjar 2 December 2015 12: 03 New
          0
          Quote: andj61
          In the minds of non-Muslims, it is believed that an Islamic state is initially bad, because ISIS, that is, an Islamic state, creates terrible crimes.


          You are right on the one hand, but not on the other. The fact is, which one image carries the word (in this case, the abbreviation). And since the image has already taken shape, it is better to put your strength into the explanation that the ISIS carry on the contrary an anti-Islamic ideology.
        5. Horst78
          Horst78 2 December 2015 19: 52 New
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          Quote: andj61
          andj61 Today, 08: 54 ↑ New
          Quote: st25310
          In Russian, this is called an awl to change soap.
          Not at all. In the minds of non-Muslims, it is believed that an Islamic state is initially bad, because ISIS, that is, an Islamic state, creates terrible crimes. In Arabic, DAISH or (DAIS) means something like trampling in the mud, trampling - precisely because of this, terrorists do not allow their organization to be called DAISH, they simply call it Daul state.
          Therefore, I believe that it is worthwhile to call them as they do not like - and Islam in the eyes of non-Arabs at the same time has nothing to do with it, in any case, is not mentioned.
          I totally agree. You can not reckon them with Islam and the State. Not all Christians are responsible for the Crusades and the Inquisition.
      2. user
        user 2 December 2015 10: 41 New
        +2
        Apparently, the phrase “Islamic State” is really unpleasant for someone.

        In Russian, this is called an awl for soap change


        Maybe it did, sewn for soap, but the name itself implies that we recognize terrorists (it doesn’t even matter who appeared and how) as an Islamic state (it’s put aside again, I’m talking about Muslims and terrorists). So this name was clearly calculated.
    2. Shick
      Shick 2 December 2015 05: 39 New
      40
      as he called and I will call .. they themselves are to blame ..
      Recently, terrorism has been assigned to representatives of Islam, maybe this is done consciously. but nevertheless .. nobody shouting "Christ is Risen" cuts the throat of Muslims ...
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 2 December 2015 06: 52 New
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        Quote: Shick
        as he called and I will call

        I agree. There is a Russian translation as an established term, and it should be used. The rest is from the evil one, the meaning of this vile organization will not change from what packaging it is wrapped in.
        1. fennekRUS
          fennekRUS 2 December 2015 08: 41 New
          +3
          Quote: inkass_98
          There is a Russian translation as an established term, and it should be used

          Moreover, a sane person does not extend the "big" name of the organization to all representatives of the faith. All of these parties and "Partheichs" love loud and generalizing names. So I see no reason to change the established name. Or let the CIA call SIA, the FBI - FBI, and so on. Meaning?
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 2 December 2015 10: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: inkass_98
          The rest is from the evil one, the meaning of this bastard organization will not change from what packaging it is wrapped in.

          Yes, in general, the meaning is precisely not in the essence of this organization, but in the public perception of Islam itself as a religion.
          The principle of the “Overton window” is imposed on society that Islam = terrorism, thus inciting Islamophobia. The emphasis is on the opposition of the Islamic world and the Christian. Then only a religious war ... And I must admit that ideologists are not bad at manipulating the consciousness of the masses.
      2. good7
        good7 2 December 2015 08: 38 New
        +2
        Yeah, I can’t even imagine God have mercy and an airplane explosion!
        1. 3officer
          3officer 2 December 2015 08: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: good7
          Yeah, I can’t even imagine God have mercy and an airplane explosion!


          Pre-orgasm whisper HARI KRISHNA HARI RAMA accompanying flying ATGM tank laughing
      3. Vikings
        Vikings 2 December 2015 11: 43 New
        -2
        No Orthodox did not cut! For this honor and praise to us!
        But Catholics were encouraged (indulgences and crusades)
        to that example.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 4 December 2015 10: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Vikings
          But Catholics encouraged
          Who encouraged?
    3. Jack-b
      Jack-b 2 December 2015 06: 04 New
      +5
      Quote: Jrvin
      Something reminds me of renaming the police to the police ... the name is different, the essence is the same.

      These are different things. As they say, what do you call a boat ... From my point of view, "police" and "police" are really one hell, and the sense of renaming is zero. Another thing with daish. A cloud of Muslims and another cloud of visitors live in Russia. And in a situation where, from all the TVs, it rushes that Russia is fighting the “Islamic state”, we should explain to all of them that “Islam” is not real with them! And yet, not everyone will understand and believe. So here we are talking about calling a spade a spade. So that those who are not able to figure it out on their own, do not get confused in terms.
      1. Kite
        Kite 2 December 2015 08: 12 New
        +3
        Quote: Jack-B
        From my point of view, "police" and "police" are really one hell .....

        - maybe this is because before the police were not called correctly? Was the police, called the police. Just by definition, what is one and what is different? The functions are the same, only the police are the militia involved in maintaining public order. The essence has not changed. Why so many emotions and words?
        Now, if others attributed them functions, then it would be worth it to discuss what it would lead to.
        As for Daish and the IG: many are hiding behind Islam and Orthodox Christianity, but I am Orthodox, I do not want to have anything in common with them and I would refuse some people the right to be called an Orthodox organization. Probably the Russian muftis think similarly about daish.
      2. good7
        good7 2 December 2015 08: 42 New
        +1
        You are talking nonsense, they will listen to the infidels. All kyafirs are evil for them and it’s not for us to adapt to them, but for them. Not all Muslims like the Middle Ages, like Raif Badawi, but there is no motivation to go against outright thugs either, and they are sitting silent and waiting for something.
    4. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 2 December 2015 06: 53 New
      +7
      terrorists are very offended when they call Dais. Let there be Dais.
      1. atalef
        atalef 2 December 2015 07: 02 New
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        Quote: AdekvatNICK
        terrorists are very offended when they call Dais. Let there be Dais.

        Who told you that?
        We have always called him DAISH - solely because --- this is what we call it and when the word is used, there is a clarification - ISLAMIC STATE OF IRAQ AND LEVANT.
        Why should you have it go in a foreign language?
        In our country (and in our country, Muslims in% terms are somehow more than in Russia) - this does not hurt anyone.
        And for some reason, your muftis are saddened - Islam is discrediting it.
        That I did not hear such angry words about a terrorist organization - ISLAMIC JIHAD.
        1. good7
          good7 2 December 2015 08: 44 New
          +2
          You are right, they all for one thing and will not blame the terrorist attacks, unless it personally affects them in the Gulag!
        2. andj61
          andj61 2 December 2015 09: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          And for some reason, your muftis are saddened - Islam is discrediting it.
          That I did not hear such angry words about a terrorist organization - ISLAMIC JIHAD.

          Well, this is not only with us: Hollande recently made a whole tirade on the same subject, motivating the need to use the Daesh language.
          And ISLAMIC JIHAD, as well as a bunch of other terrorist organizations with the word "Islam" in the name, are simply not so promoted in the media that they pay so much attention to them.
          By the way, in our country several muftis - Kadyrov - Hollande - and beloved by everyone outside of Russia (few people pay attention to him) D. Kisilev have declared consistently on the desirability of switching to the Arabic abbreviation in the media. And then, the “volume” of Kisilev herself is big only because he was immediately picked up for quotations by other media. Now in Runet in the search engine you will drive "DAISH" - surely five heels of links to Kisilev will appear on the first page!
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 2 December 2015 09: 08 New
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          And for some reason you muftis were sad

          Sanya is healthy! The muftis have a lot to offer, but the trick is that they don't give a damn about their dumplings.
          They also suggested removing something from the Coat of Arms of Russia, they were also offended. Not from a great mind, I must say.
          1. good7
            good7 2 December 2015 09: 12 New
            +6
            In this, all the salt in the whole world I discuss is Islamic terror is not Buddhist, not Christian, or even some, and we all see why, maybe enough to bleach it!
      2. satris
        satris 2 December 2015 07: 10 New
        -1
        It is right. And I agree with Kadyrov. But I would like to draw attention to the following aspect: from the Arabic name the abbreviation DAISH appeared. But ... after all they so named? Or did someone (USA?) Prompt them? That is, it turns out, being called in Arabic, they themselves agree with that shameful (in their opinion) name? Or is a philosophical law manifesting itself here? - see negation of negation, etc.
        1. good7
          good7 2 December 2015 09: 04 New
          +6
          You agree with him in everything - in intimidation of prosecutors and judges, in indulgence in the murder of Budanov, in harboring bandits in Chechnya (did you forget about the Stavropol riot police?)
    5. Military Builder
      Military Builder 2 December 2015 08: 48 New
      +4
      what difference does it make to us what will be called what should be destroyed
    6. Vikings
      Vikings 2 December 2015 09: 13 New
      0
      I dare to notice you. In 1, then we will once again prove the pre-
      waiting for everything, to my citizens of the Russian Federation, who
      over 22% preaching, ut Islam. (Over 30 million) that Russia,
      a country that is equal and tolerant of all religions. 2
      We show our peace in the face of our Muslims,
      to all Muslims of the whole World. In 3 we knock the ground out from under
      feet of Wahhabis, Salafists, etc. ..., in our country. We deprive
      a resource for religious extremism. Which
      recently used with success by the Saudis, Qatars, Bahrain.

      My opinion is definitely DAISH !!!
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 3 December 2015 01: 53 New
        0
        The total population of Tataria and Bashkiria is about 8 million. Russians are more than 45% in Tataria, 40% in Bashkiria. There are few Muslims among Russians in Tataria and Bashkiria. On the other hand, some of the Tatars are Orthodox. In general, in any situation in Bashkiria and Tataria, a total of approximately 5 million Muslims, not more. The population of the Muslim republics of the North Caucasus is about 6,5 million, some of them Russian and other Orthodox peoples. We add several hundred thousand Muslims in the Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories, North Ossetia. In general, the maximum in Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Dagestan, Chechnya, Ingushetia, the CBD and the KCR is a total of no more than 9-10 million Muslims. At the same time, a significant part of the Tatars and Bashkirs are formal Muslims, it is rather a tribute to tradition. Outside the mentioned regions, perhaps a few more million. In general, I think Muslims in the Russian Federation are at least 10 million and no more than 15 million. But not at all 30 million.
    7. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 2 December 2015 10: 04 New
      0
      He’s the igil and he is the igil, and fanatics in crowds coming to this organization from different countries of Europe and ours are going to fight for the Islamic caliphate and nothing else, money is the second reason. So igil is Christianity during the Crusades and the era of geographical discoveries only now in the guise of Islam, more precisely the trends of Wahhabism and Salafism.

      PySy. look at the English-language forums, the same YouTube, those who criticize Assad, present such an argument to him that he, being an Alawite (read kyafir), says that he kills and destroys Islamist Sunnis, and ancient Sunni enemies help him in this, after Jews, Christians and atheists - Shiites, therefore, by recruiting other Muslims into their ranks, the Ishilovites primarily say that they are “killing our brothers,” that is, meaning Sunnis. So at least there is a big game of big people above all this, but the topic of religion plays a huge role there, and the Islamists, like the pilgrims at one time, are pawns on a large chessboard.
      1. atalef
        atalef 2 December 2015 13: 08 New
        +3
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        and he is helped in this by the ancient enemies of the Sunnis, after the Jews, Christians and atheists - Shiites

        You are deeply mistaken - neither Judaism nor Christianity are enemies of Islam. They believe in one God.
        Shiites, Alawites, Druze, Yezidis - the enemies are clearly heretics. At one time they were Muslims - Sunnis (at the very beginning there was no other), and then broke away.
        Violating the most important zaporvedb-- there is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is His prophet.
        In the bitch with the Shiites, they recognize (except Muhammad) the prophet is also Ali .-- and this is hereticism.
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        therefore, by recruiting other Muslims into their ranks, the Ishilovites primarily say that they are “killing our brothers,” that is, implying the Sunnis


        Well it logically follows.
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        So at least there’s a big game of big people

        The war between the Sunnis and Shiites began neither yesterday and will end neither tomorrow, and Syria does not play any role here.
        1. iouris
          iouris 3 December 2015 13: 44 New
          0
          Exaggerating the role of the religious factor in politics is an old politics. Most DAISH adherents (ISIS, ISIS) generally do not understand the essence of religious contradictions. The contradictions between Arabs and Israel, Jews and Christians, Christians and Christians are of an economic nature, but are translated and perceived by the masses in religious form. Humanity is developing unevenly, the uneven development of the economy (capitalism) leads to antagonism in different vectors. In addition, the source of antagonistic contradictions is the monopolization of various areas: financial, information, technological and uneven distribution of natural resources.
    8. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 2 December 2015 10: 34 New
      +5
      Quote: Jrvin
      Something reminds me of renaming the police to the police ...

      Well, the word "policeman" has a slightly different connotation. laughing
      We really like the wording of Ramzan Kadyrov (Peace and blessings be upon him): “IG is an Iblis state.” (Roman Skomorokhov ©)

      Fucking shame. This wording applies exclusively to the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). And only then is it appropriate. I did not know that Ramzan Kadyrov is a prophet. The author - learn the materiel.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 2 December 2015 11: 35 New
        +4
        These people, who by their origin and faith are Muslims, profess the radical trend of Islam, which allows them to cut off their heads and fight against them, they pray, worship Allah and try to create their own state called ISIS, if the muftis do not agree with them, let them go to them and explain about the right Islam. And I don’t understand why I have to call ISIS differently, in some other language.
        1. fyvaprold
          fyvaprold 2 December 2015 12: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: Igor39
          These people, who by their origin and faith are Muslims, profess the radical trend of Islam, which allows them to cut off their heads and fight against them, they pray, worship Allah and try to create their own state called ISIS, if the muftis do not agree with them, let them go to them and explain about the right Islam. And I don’t understand why I have to call ISIS differently, in some other language.

          Not quite right. Bosko cannot be “infidels," the Koran does not approve, nor does the slave trade. And the rest I agree. Sincerely.
          1. miru mir
            miru mir 2 December 2015 14: 26 New
            -1
            The Qur'an does not prohibit slavery. And cutting off Bosko and other parts and limbs encourages.
            1. Vikings
              Vikings 2 December 2015 14: 56 New
              0
              You wrote utter nonsense! With the same success
              You may notice that Mazza is implicated in blood
              innocent slaughtered babies!
              1. miru mir
                miru mir 2 December 2015 20: 50 New
                -2
                The fact that matzoh is implicated in blood is just utter stupidity, since Jews are strictly forbidden to use blood in food in any form, if I'm not mistaken. And as for the Qur'an, the answer is clear and understandable.
                8-12. Here your Lord inspired the angels: “I am with you. Strengthen those who believe! But I will strike terror in the hearts of those who do not believe. Chop their heads and chop all their fingers.
                You can see for yourself.
            2. yuriy55
              yuriy55 2 December 2015 15: 01 New
              0
              I believe that calling something that is far from the main provisions of Islam and the state has the same relationship as God's gift to the fried eggs, the abbreviation ISIS is equivalent to using the adjective "Russian" to the ROA (Russian Liberation Army) and RONA (Russian Liberation People's Army). ..I'm acceptable IG or DAISH
              what
            3. Aleksandr72
              Aleksandr72 2 December 2015 15: 20 New
              +5
              You probably read or only heard about the Koran, in the version that is considered to be the only true one among the Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and which in our country is referred to as religious literature of an extremist direction and for the storage and distribution of which they are planted for a rather long time. Yes, in this pseudo-Islamic, thoroughly extremist Quran with its overt anti-Semitism and religious intolerance, one can find the following lines:
              1) Page 53, sura 2, ayat 191:
              "Kill (polytheists), wherever you meet them, expel them from the places from which you were expelled, for polytheism is worse than death."

              And now the same Sura, but from the Koran, accepted among our Muslims:
              Sura 2:
              186 (190). And fight on the way of God with those who are fighting with you, but do not transgress - verily, God does not love the transgressors!
              187 (191). And kill them wherever you meet, and drive them out from where they cast you out: after all, the temptation is worse than killing! And do not fight them at the Forbidden Mosque until they fight with you there. If they fight with you, then kill them: such is the reward of the infidels!
              188 (192). If they hold on, then ... for God is forgiving, merciful!
              189 (193). And fight them until there is no more temptation, and (all) religion will belong to God. And if they hold out, then there is no enmity, except for the unrighteous!
              190 (194). Forbidden month - for the forbidden month. And prohibitions are retribution. Whoever transgresses against you also transgress against him, just as he transgressed against you. And fear God and know that God is with the God-fearing!

              As you see, the Qur'an speaks of retribution, of retribution for a perfect evil. You will not, likening to a Tolstoyan, turn your left cheek when you are hit on the right. Rather, do the opposite - sweep from the heart and send the opponent to the knockout, tapping him on both cheeks!
              Pull out of context, while distorting the meaning, you can interpret in your own way anything, any saying in any book of religious content. But to do so is to pour water on the mill of those who incite ethnic and religious hatred.
              I have the honor.
              1. miru mir
                miru mir 2 December 2015 21: 28 New
                -1
                I really liked your answer, dear hi
                You know, I, who grew up in Kyrgyzstan, essentially a Muslim country, was interested to find out: why, for the time being, in Frunze, there were 129 peoples living in Frunze. Why all of a sudden, in my hometown I began to feel like a stranger. And having arrived in Israel, I immediately became friends with the mass of Arabs. Both Christians and Muslims. But over time, watching the news after the terrorist attacks, and watching the joy of the Arabs from the deaths of ordinary civilians, I began to think about the reason. Why does the death of many Israeli teenagers cause dancing on the Arab street with tambourines, handing out sweets to children, etc. I began to talk with both Jews and Arabs. And with the Druze and the Circassians ... And I came to the conclusion that Islam and its submission to ordinary people are to blame.
                Whose translation of Islam can you offer me? Give me a link, please, to my great regret, I still do not know Arabic, except for a few sentences and curses. But around me are native speakers who translated me some suras from the original.
                8-65. O Prophet! Inspire believers to battle. If there are twenty patient among you, then they will overcome two hundred; if there will be a hundred among them, then they will overcome a thousand unbelievers, because they are unreasonable people.
                1. miru mir
                  miru mir 3 December 2015 14: 42 New
                  0
                  Alexander72, your answer to my koment is a silent minus? There is essentially nothing to object to?
                  1. Aleksandr72
                    Aleksandr72 4 December 2015 08: 55 New
                    0
                    Respected. The silent minus is not from me. I just read your comments and I won’t say that I agree with them. Religion is not to blame, any religion of the people of the Book is initially peaceful and does not contain explicit calls for violence and enmity, including due to disagreement on religious grounds. But religion is interpreted and presented to believers in the version which is beneficial for them, too, people striving for power not only material but also over human souls - these are church clerics of various levels and secular rulers who usually only think about religion and God, when they are profitable or necessary. Yes, you yourself understand and realize this - he who knows how to think will come to the right conclusions.
                    As an example of those ideas that the prophet laid down in Islam, I will initially cite one of the Qur'an suras in a poetic translation of Porokhovaya into Russian (this is much more convenient for perception):
                    Sura 90 (11). Town
                    In the name of God merciful, merciful!
                    1. I swear by the city
                    2. In which you live
                    3. The parent and what he gave birth to -
                    4. We have created man on hardships (earthly);
                    5. So does he imagine
                    That no one has power over him here?
                    6. He can say:
                    "I paid for everything in full!"
                    7. Does he really think nobody sees him?
                    8. And have not two eyes been given to him
                    9. Both the tongue and the pair of lips?
                    10. And two main directions are not indicated
                    (Good and Evil)?
                    11. But he is in no hurry to choose a cool person!
                    12. How to explain to you what “steepness” means?
                    13. Free the slave,
                    14. To give food in the days of deprivation
                    15. An orphan who is close to you by blood,
                    16. Or a poor man despised by others.
                    17. And then you will become one of those
                    Who believes (God), and humbly compassion,
                    And with mercy does good.

                    18. This is the face of the righteous - standing
                    Rightfully side on the Day of Judgment.
                    19. But to those who rejected Our clear signs,
                    Rest on the left side -
                    20. Under the arch of fiery Fire!
                    I am sure that under these lines of the Holy Book of Muslims any sane person will sign, regardless of his religious views (I categorically refuse sanity to pseudo-Islamic extremists!).
                    I have a Quran translated into Russian:
                    1- The Qur'an translated by Y. Krachkovsky. The correct (chronological) sequence of suras. - 1963 edition.
                    2- Poetic translation by I.V. Powder in the correct (chronological) sequence with the Appendices - 2010 edition. Both of these books are recognized in the Islamic world as corresponding to the original source in the Arabic language. The last of them is interesting in that the application contains very interesting information in the field of theology and the history of the emergence of Islam as a religion and the role of the prophet Muhammad in this. If you wish, I’m ready to send you electronic versions of these books in a way convenient for you.
                    I have the honor. hi
                    1. miru mir
                      miru mir 4 December 2015 18: 04 New
                      0
                      I apologize for the undeserved accusation, I thought that you simply do not want to discuss this topic with me anymore.
                      I understand your point of view and do not completely agree with her. The Quran is very confused and contradictory. You find in him the calls for peace, which certainly exist in him. But dismiss militancy, denial of gender equality, etc. And while you, all Muslims, will behave in this way, you should not expect good from Islam.
                      2-193. Fight with them until the temptation disappears and until the religion is entirely devoted to Allah. But if they stop, then you can infringe only on the wicked.
            4. fyvaprold
              fyvaprold 2 December 2015 18: 12 New
              +1
              Dear, you yourself read the Qur'an, or do you believe the word? Read who is “gyaur” and who is “Ahl al-Kitab”, you will be surprised, but the Yahuds (Judea) and Nasar (Christians) have nothing to do with the Giaurs (Infidels). Who cares, the details of the relationship, here:
              http://islamicencyclopedia.narod.ru/articles/116.html
              And what you are talking about is the haarijit customs. Sincerely.
              1. miru mir
                miru mir 2 December 2015 21: 29 New
                -3
                I am. But how many faithful have read it?
    9. Deniska
      Deniska 2 December 2015 14: 45 New
      -3
      different name, the essence is the same


      Yeah, nothing changes ...
      1. Denis Skiff
        Denis Skiff 2 December 2015 15: 27 New
        +3
        The dog sniffs so many people in a day, and this can happen.
    10. eplewke
      eplewke 2 December 2015 17: 25 New
      0
      ISIS, Daesh, Hash, what is the difference? I would not put their name on the plate ... No names are needed for extermination either. They are not worthy of somehow being called at all. Animals ...
  2. Balamyt
    Balamyt 2 December 2015 05: 26 New
    +2
    As the hell is not a little, the essence is one! As it will be more convenient for me to pronounce, so I will! Only the All-Russian referendum on this issue was not enough! am
  3. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 2 December 2015 05: 39 New
    +4
    As they call themselves - call them that. North Korea is also not at all a people's democracy.
  4. denssss
    denssss 2 December 2015 05: 42 New
    +3
    what's the difference what to call, under abbreviation all one is
  5. kamis51
    kamis51 2 December 2015 05: 50 New
    +4
    Tolerance, however. The same eggs, only a side view. As a fag do not name - the essence is one.
    1. atalef
      atalef 2 December 2015 06: 38 New
      27
      Quote: kamis51
      Tolerance, however. The same eggs, only a side view. As a fag do not name - the essence is one.

      Honestly, the word PEDERAS is much clearer to me than the overseas gay.
      And the reaction to it automatically more negative.
      You would call a spade a spade, you look on TV would show them less.
      And an appeal to the mayor's office - such as allowing piderastrady - would no longer raise questions - to allow or not laughing
  6. Jack-b
    Jack-b 2 December 2015 05: 56 New
    -1
    The logical question “who benefits” does not even want to ask. Just because everything is clear. So, for the sake of very strange circumstances, now it will be necessary after each abbreviation to write its name in Arabic, then translate and explain that it is one and the same. Beauty, and more!

    After this phrase, one gets the impression that it’s just too lazy to write too much. Of course I am sure that Roman did not want to say this, but nonetheless.
    I am for renaming. From the point of view that some Muslims may experience cognitive dissonance: why should a Muslim be against the "Islamic state"? It is clear that this is not for all Muslims. But we are talking about potential victims of daish propaganda. After all, they rest precisely on the religious side, and precisely on the fact that they are an "Islamic" state. If we can knock this soil out from under their feet, then why shouldn't we?
    1. EvaFerrari
      EvaFerrari 2 December 2015 10: 27 New
      +3
      Do you really think that renaming ISIS into Daesh will lead to fewer people striving there? As for me, this "organization", whatever you call it, already has a certain "reputation" and "image" that are known in almost every corner of our planet. If the name ISIS somehow offends the righteous Muslims, they should have stepped up their efforts in the fight against Igil preachers, and not stand aside and say with every indication that there is "good" Islam and "bad."
      1. Jack-b
        Jack-b 2 December 2015 11: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: EvaFerrari
        If the name ISIS somehow offends the righteous Muslims ...

        Did I write about insulting the righteous Muslims?

        Quote: EvaFerrari
        As for me, this "organization", whatever you call it, already has a certain "reputation" and "image" that are known in almost every corner of our planet.

        This is for you, a person far from Islam, everything is clear with the "image". You spit on differences and currents. For Muslims, this is not so.
        1. EvaFerrari
          EvaFerrari 2 December 2015 13: 15 New
          -1
          This is for you, a person far from Islam, everything is clear with the "image". You spit on differences and currents. For Muslims, this is not so.


          Please do not confuse the image of ISIS with the image of Islam, correctly interpret everything I have written. Regarding the "spit" - I have respect for this religion, as well as for everyone else, I do not distinguish this belief in any separate caste. Yes, my knowledge can be superficial, but I do not consider it necessary to deepen it to the level of "carrier" of this religion.
  7. atalef
    atalef 2 December 2015 06: 00 New
    20
    Why should we rename them? If in Russian it sounds exactly the way they DAISH it is Totzhe ISIS - why aren’t they Islamists worried about whether it offends Islam or not, and should we be tolerant?
    And to convince yourself and them is the same - that you are not ISIS which so cuts the rumor of RUSSIA —you are Daesh — it seems that there is no connection with Islam. -and does not offend anyone
    It’s all the same, as we begin to call the trial - incomprehensible to anyone gonorrhoea - the rest it will remain true, and it will not become less contagious from this.
    Things should be called their own and understandable to the speaker of the given language
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 2 December 2015 06: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: atalef
      Things must be called their own and understandable

      Organization of potential corpses !!! They do not have to be renamed, they need to be buried quietly, and then Allah will judge daish-hashish-igil ..... pah !!!
    2. good7
      good7 2 December 2015 08: 50 New
      +3
      You are absolutely right, a small percentage dictates more conditions, it does not lead to good, tolerance is death, scumbags shot in Baku and everyone said that they were bandits and there was nothing to cause a commotion because of them, the ace calmed down. In addition, Islam began to grow together with crime, fashion has probably gone with convicts.
    3. Kite
      Kite 2 December 2015 10: 11 New
      0
      Quote: atalef
      Things should be called their own and understandable to the speaker in this language

      - What did it affect you so much? Give so many arguments. And if you try on yourself? You know, there are so many names and concepts that are so close that they are confused when expressing their thoughts. For example: there is a name for unsightly activity - a money-lender, there is a name for a nationality - a Jew, a confession - a Jew, and there is a short word for all this - railroad Is a concise definition correct in all cases?
      1. Kite
        Kite 2 December 2015 11: 04 New
        -3
        And yet: in Christianity there are Orthodox Christians, Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, ......., ...... and so on and so forth. They believe in the Most High, but somehow they want to be called differently from others . On our part, they are all unchristian. Is that the only way to call them?
        1. kashtak
          kashtak 2 December 2015 11: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Kite
          Orthodox, Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, ......., ...... and so on and so forth.

          Quote: Kite
          On our part, they are all unchristian.

          if not a secret from whom? what denomination do you represent?
          1. Kite
            Kite 2 December 2015 11: 54 New
            -1
            This is not important for understanding the replica, although I forgot to exclude the first mentioned branch of Christians (my own) in the conclusion, all the more, bearing in mind the presence here of all those mentioned and trying on what was said on myself
            1. a housewife
              a housewife 2 December 2015 15: 32 New
              +2
              Non-Christians are non-baptized, unrecognizing Christ. To which of these religious movements can you apply this?
              1. Kite
                Kite 2 December 2015 17: 50 New
                +1
                In what sense are they recognizing or not recognizing? In Islam, Jesus is considered a prophet, his appearance in this world is not denied, but affirmed, i.e. recognized. But that is not enough.
                Compare with the spread of homophilia, worship of evil. body, lack of desire for justice, lack of the concept of "consciousness", ......., the presence of the viceroy of God on earth in Western society, and then decide on the unchristians. Where is their overwhelming majority?
                1. a housewife
                  a housewife 3 December 2015 00: 55 New
                  0
                  You have missed the word "unbaptized." This is a synonym for the word unchrist. I do not discuss the sins of the “baptized”, which Christians are only nominally, but in fact worse sinners than many non-baptized ones. But everyone is personally responsible for their sins. And I mean exactly what the different trends in Christianity called non-Christians. And the representatives of each of the currents consider themselves to be right believers, and the rest as heretics. And as the ap said. Paul - "there is not a righteous one; everyone has turned astray." When Christians do not consider Christians to be brothers - is this not seduction of the way?
                  1. Kite
                    Kite 3 December 2015 20: 31 New
                    0
                    Irina, is this your understanding of the word that you propose to introduce by definition? And if you look at the dictionaries of the Russian language? If you weren’t used at home, then dictionaries are now more accessible than at the time when this word was found in literature and speech, than at the time when my great-grandmother used this word when expressing a bad attitude towards someone.
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    4. Vikings
      Vikings 2 December 2015 11: 56 New
      0
      Then you have to be consistent to the end! How to call
      the state of Israel, certain circles of which
      they converse with the Wahhabis of the monarchies of the gulf, and had a hand in creating the Daesh. The UN has not created an international tribunal for
      Mishling crimes.
      1. miru mir
        miru mir 2 December 2015 14: 21 New
        -1
        What kind of circles can the state have? In igil, according to your president, there are about three thousand alahbabahnyh Russians. Does this support terror "certain circles of the state"?
  8. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 2 December 2015 06: 00 New
    +4
    I don’t care how. Fell everyone who is against the legally elected President B. Assad.
  9. Flanke
    Flanke 2 December 2015 06: 02 New
    +5
    To begin with, the abbreviation ISIS no longer reflects the essence. The state of Iraq and the Levant - they have long gone georaphically beyond these limits. IG without IL is difficult to pronounce.

    Further: they removed the "Islamic" not with the aim of not offending Muslims, but so that they would not associate themselves with the Islamic State. Mentally put yourself in the place of Muslims. Russia is bombing the Islamic state, I profess Islam and that means ... they beat ours! And so - some Daish is being bombed, there are wrong Muslims who have adapted religion to their own selfish ends.

    The rest of the organizations on the list of the banned are not at all high and nobody knows about them. Stupidly clerical list and nothing more.

    It has long been necessary to rename. Better late, of course. But we have to. The author was worried and wrote an article without thinking.
    1. Russ_Dry
      Russ_Dry 2 December 2015 07: 52 New
      +4
      . Russia is bombing the Islamic state, I profess Islam and that means ... they beat ours! And so - they bomb some Daish.

      that is, in Daish there is no reference to Islam?
      al-Dawla al-Islamiya al-Iraq al-Sham

      Do you keep people completely for idiots?
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 2 December 2015 08: 52 New
        +5
        Particularly obstinate, who believe, for example, that the Islamists follow what they call them in Russia, they can decipher what Ramzan suggested - the Iblis state. I just heard Daesh from Hollande, this is a political prostitute, let me remind you, who threw us with the Mistrals, and now she is climbing into the coalition. To repeat something behind this unworthy person, I personally have no desire!
    2. Vadimsh
      Vadimsh 2 December 2015 08: 30 New
      +1
      let's not divide it into the wrong and the right, terror has no face
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      2. creak
        creak 2 December 2015 10: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: VadimSh
        let's not divide it into the wrong and the right, terror has no face

        It certainly, terror has no face, as well as crime ...
        But for some reason, the police had to organize departments to combat ethnic crime? Maybe I missed something, but I didn’t hear that Christians or, say, Buddhists, stand behind the high-profile terrorist attacks? Interesting truth ...
        Western Europe in its tolerance has reached complete insanity and it seems to suit you ...
        And as for tolerance (pah, that word) - let any tourist from Europe try in Saudi Arabia or Iran even try to appear on the street with her head uncovered or in shorts - she’ll immediately knock the fool out of her head and for some reason tolerance does not apply to the local Aborigines there ...
        It’s time to remove the pink ones and pick up the snot glasses ....
        PSA about renaming - and why on earth to listen to some kind of muftis - we thank God we do not live in the Emirates ...
  10. sa-zz
    sa-zz 2 December 2015 06: 08 New
    +1
    I propose to call TSHISM - cowardly jackals called themselves Muslims, and daish the same as igil, only igil came up with striped, and daish call themselves.
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 December 2015 06: 09 New
    +5
    No matter what the bandits are called. They began to say that the name DAESH was very annoying to the barmaley themselves. We are not sorry, we will call IG-DAESH (both ours and yours, and we will not forget that Islamic). Only now, soon will Turkey become not only the defender of the barmalei, but will also think of accepting them into its army. Otherwise, they cannot be saved. Well, they’re organizing something like “Foreign Legion” (viv la France!) And a “black hole” is ready, which legally hides people and gives out new biographies after the contract is completed. True, Erdogan was already late with the organization of such a warhead, this is not a quick matter.
    1. Russ_Dry
      Russ_Dry 2 December 2015 07: 56 New
      +1
      it turns out butter oil. IG DAYESH
      Islamic State - Islamic State of Iraq and Sham.
    2. Russ_Dry
      Russ_Dry 2 December 2015 07: 56 New
      0
      it turns out butter oil. IG DAYESH
      Islamic State - Islamic State of Iraq and Sham.
  12. sa-zz
    sa-zz 2 December 2015 06: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: sa-zz
    I propose to call TSHISM - cowardly jackals called themselves Muslims, and daish the same as igil, only igil came up with striped, and daish call themselves.

    And it is also necessary to announce to the whole world that the killed militants will be buried in the ground wrapped in pork skins instead of a shroud. I think suppliers of skins will be easy to find.
  13. parusnik
    parusnik 2 December 2015 06: 13 New
    +1
    Well, we will not call ISIS ISIS, we will call DAISH. What will change from this?... That's it .. It's like in a cartoon, The mystery of the third planet: .. We are not bandits, we are noble pirates ..
    1. Military Builder
      Military Builder 2 December 2015 08: 57 New
      +2
      We are not bandits, we are noble pirates ..

      those. we are not ISIS, but moderate opposition
  14. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 2 December 2015 06: 18 New
    +1
    Here you look at these scumbags and involuntarily believe that new "dark centuries" are coming.
  15. slimp
    slimp 2 December 2015 06: 19 New
    +1
    For me, it doesn't matter what they are called. But if this name offends Islam, and the new one also offends militants, then why not rename it. It won’t leave us, but people are pleased :)
  16. aszzz888
    aszzz888 2 December 2015 06: 23 New
    +4
    The beast is the beast. As you do not rename him, his appearance and morals are old.
    1. Junior, I
      Junior, I 2 December 2015 06: 31 New
      0
      Removed from the tongue)))))
      I fully support
      Another liberalism is manifested, now I do not like what they are called.
  17. alex-cn
    alex-cn 2 December 2015 06: 32 New
    +2
    Of course, the name is familiar, but in my opinion, renaming is necessary. There are many Muslims, the level of education is different and there is absolutely no need for the name of this gang of terrorists and murderers, at least for someone to be associated with Islam. On the contrary, it is necessary to distance such formations as much as possible from any religion.
  18. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 2 December 2015 06: 37 New
    0
    Can you immediately rename the states !? Well, so as not to come back to this question, huh?
  19. Yurmix
    Yurmix 2 December 2015 06: 41 New
    +1
    The question of how to call it is not important, when the memories (from this evil spirits) remain. But the appeal to all rot by the Russian leadership with the word "our partners" completely knocks out. What is no substitute for this word? things should be called by their proper names, our foes are the most faithful, and do not care what they will murmur there and arise about this.
  20. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 2 December 2015 06: 44 New
    0
    Honestly, I don’t even understand the meaning of this issue. In different languages ​​it sounds differently more convenient than ISIS, to us ISIS, Arabic-speaking Daesh. What is the difference, they called themselves ... Kadyrov over there in general deciphers this given abbreviation ... I do not understand the question ..? To whom it is more convenient and familiar, he calls it so, what's the difference ..?
    1. kashtak
      kashtak 2 December 2015 08: 18 New
      +2
      in general, there is a certain meaning. IG is a terrorist group, not a state, as they call themselves. the change of name in this case is not a trifle, but a refusal to recognize the ambitions of terrorists. and the opinion of Muslims must also be taken into account. it just gives a translation of the abbreviation into another language, because the meaning remains?
      1. miru mir
        miru mir 2 December 2015 10: 39 New
        -3
        It would be interesting to listen to the opinion of Muslims. What actions of these "fighters" for the purity of faith contradict what is written in the sacred books for Islam.
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  21. gg.na
    gg.na 2 December 2015 06: 45 New
    -2
    From renaming, the essence of a rotten igil will not change, I think so that you should not bother with renaming. And it’s kind of like we’ll go about the Europeans, who is there Oland, it’s like they started calling them like that! And now we, like parrots, should repeat after ?! I think that the result of the rearrangement of the places of the terms (letters) does not change! As there was a pigsty, it will remain a pigsty!
  22. Nick888
    Nick888 2 December 2015 06: 59 New
    -1
    It can replace the word "Islamic" with "Iblis", etc.
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    2. a housewife
      a housewife 2 December 2015 15: 46 New
      +3
      It would be nice to replace G with B, that is, not the State, but the Gang. And in general - in that list of banned organizations, almost every word then needs to be saved from discrediting. Any gangsters do not call themselves "Terrible Bloodthirsty Vile Vile Gang", but find beautiful words, the right ones. Those that attract people. Sacred, popular, great, holy, free, brothers, Islam, etc. Less attention should be paid to the names. The main thing for people to declare the essence of each gang - for what is fighting, with whom and by what means. All. The smart ones will understand, but the foolish ones are useless to explain.
  23. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 December 2015 07: 01 New
    +2
    On the one hand, don’t call the bandit and the killer he will remain. On the other hand, the name Daesh is like a sickle in one place for the radicals, which means they should be called the way they do not like at all. And the supreme mufti of Russia made such a request.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 2 December 2015 16: 15 New
      +4
      I support. Here, some guys do not understand something. The very name of the Islamic State discredits the essence of Islam, like any traditional religion - bandits simply hide behind Islam. Their deeds in no way can be associated with religion. Therefore, it is necessary to support the request of Muslim clergymen of Russia. hi
  24. Alexdark
    Alexdark 2 December 2015 07: 21 New
    +7
    There is logic in this. After all, we call them the "Islamic state." That is, in this way, we generalize all religion, we record all of it in terror. And this is only because they called themselves so. But the situation with the new word looks somewhat ridiculous. It’s as if they received an order, they urgently use a new word. Alya show off, look how fashionable I am. Names like klikuhi can stick forever, and it doesn’t matter what the name means if it is right. Everything is fixed! ISIS, just like that. Although, I hope, not for long the world has to hear about it. Better to erase the rot than give them names.
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 2 December 2015 08: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: AlexDARK
      Better to erase the rot than give them names.


      Speaking of "erase". You need to start washing on your territory, although something is already being done in this regard, but there is still a lot of “rubbish” - to rake and rake:
      (cry.)
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 2 December 2015 08: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: AlexDARK
      There is logic in this. After all, we call them the "Islamic state."
      First of all, this is what they call themselves!
  25. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 2 December 2015 07: 29 New
    -1
    Radish horseradish is not sweeter!
  26. 3officer
    3officer 2 December 2015 07: 29 New
    +3
    Let their VKS renamed into charred piles of garbage in the desert.
  27. moreman71
    moreman71 2 December 2015 07: 31 New
    +1
    Well, if the police could be renamed, then in this case it is even easier. I think that we would not like it if the gang of thugs would be called the "Orthodox state". . .
    1. miru mir
      miru mir 2 December 2015 10: 42 New
      +1
      So there is no such thing. Does anyone cut people's heads, shouting "for the holy trinity"?
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 2 December 2015 15: 59 New
        -1
        And who knows, fanatics ?! There, the "patriarch" is Ukrainian, that he requested weapons in the states to shoot in the Donbass. He is not the only one. He has many supporters. Maybe they are shooting at people shouting "for the holy trinity." The fascists on the buckles "God is with us" was written. And what - God was with them ?! Such things offend God first, when evil is done in his name. These creatures with such names only add sins to their heads. Their god is the devil; he will "reward them."
      2. forest park 86
        forest park 86 2 December 2015 18: 07 New
        +2
        Even as they cut, if it becomes easier for you from this. Some time ago I listened to V Solovyov as a guest, but I had to drive such priests out of the priests (I don’t remember the name) It is necessary to destroy the communists, he says, because they allegedly mocked the priests in the 20s. But what about everyone humanism. Since then I turn off (switch) the radio when this "preacher" comes
    2. forest park 86
      forest park 86 2 December 2015 12: 23 New
      +2
      We call Germany fascist, (although there was Nazism) and no one is soared about this, but here they started fussing for a reason.
    3. a housewife
      a housewife 2 December 2015 15: 52 New
      0
      If so some gangster organization was called (the Orthodox state), Orthodox would be even more motivated to destroy the degenerates.
  28. Isaev
    Isaev 2 December 2015 07: 32 New
    +2
    Maybe even announce a competition for the best name ...
    1. kashtak
      kashtak 2 December 2015 08: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Isaev
      Maybe even announce a competition for the best name ...

      Give an option, we will discuss.
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    3. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 2 December 2015 10: 25 New
      +1
      Yeah, with a tender for a billion ... Here Tina Kandelaki will rejoice laughing
      1. kashtak
        kashtak 2 December 2015 10: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Observer 33
        Yeah, with a tender for a billion ... Here Tina Kandelaki will rejoice laughing

        Provide a billion in cash or by check? repeat
  29. Lyapis
    Lyapis 2 December 2015 07: 43 New
    +2
    Maybe it's easier to just bang them all and not be tormented with the choice of name ??? request
  30. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 2 December 2015 07: 44 New
    +3
    They must not be renamed, but destroyed!
    And forget that there were such!
  31. 3officer
    3officer 2 December 2015 07: 44 New
    0
    Perhaps it is worth uniting under the Daesh brand all groups including the Free Syrian Army, moderate Turkoman and so on.
  32. Dargavs
    Dargavs 2 December 2015 07: 49 New
    +2
    Who last communicated with the radical Islamist? After all, they have the idea of ​​a super caliphate flows into the brain. Normal preachers have to fight, take it off not with guns, but with a word. This is probably why these proposals appeared, the words they are also weapons, even their names must be discredited. My personal opinion.
  33. Beard31
    Beard31 2 December 2015 07: 54 New
    +2
    And you can simply call the Satanists jihadists.
    1. 3officer
      3officer 2 December 2015 07: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: Beard31
      And you can simply call the Satanists jihadists.



      More suitable for punk band name laughing
  34. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 2 December 2015 08: 05 New
    +4
    Very soon they will prove to everyone that ISIS are those who cut their heads. And DAISH is white and fluffy kittens. Everton’s drafts are blowing again in our media space. And why should not we ape and repeat after the West. He is fascism and in Africa fascism.
  35. igordok
    igordok 2 December 2015 08: 13 New
    0
    Rename is desirable, but not necessarily universally. Many are used to the old name. Moreover, they now call themselves IG.
    1. kashtak
      kashtak 2 December 2015 08: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: igordok
      they call themselves IG now

      self-name in this case is rather self-promotion. way to raise your status to "state". and an attempt to exploit interfaith conflict.
      1. igordok
        igordok 2 December 2015 09: 31 New
        0
        Quote: kashtak
        self-name in this case is rather self-promotion. way to raise your status to "state". and an attempt to exploit interfaith conflict.

        Here I am about that. Why call them what they want.
  36. crazy_fencer
    crazy_fencer 2 December 2015 08: 28 New
    +6
    Nonsense. When the Nuremberg Tribunal recognized the NSDAP as a criminal organization, the fact that this party was called a workers' party, and at the same time a socialist one, for some reason did not hurt anyone. Although the words "worker" and "socialist" to the Soviet people were seemingly not strangers. It's just that everyone knew perfectly well what kind of party it was. And what is its essence. And here you see, someone is jarring. The concept of the state is discrediting, yeah. Once again I am convinced that tolerance is a dangerous disease that affects, first of all, the brain. You might think that if instead of "bicycle" write "Vilasipet", it will become a motorcycle
  37. Old26
    Old26 2 December 2015 08: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: Jack-B
    Quote: Jrvin
    Something reminds me of renaming the police to the police ... the name is different, the essence is the same.


    These are different things. As they say, what do you call a boat ... From my point of view, "police" and "police" are really one hell, and the sense of renaming is zero. Another thing with daish. A cloud of Muslims and another cloud of visitors live in Russia. And in a situation where, from all the TVs, it rushes that Russia is fighting the “Islamic state”, we should explain to all of them that “Islam” is not real with them! And yet, not everyone will understand and believe. So here we are talking about calling a spade a spade. So that those who are not able to figure it out on their own, do not get confused in terms.


    My father told me yesterday (he will be 90 in a couple of weeks) said about the same thing: “it reminds me of something ...” And he added the same post-war struggle against cosmopolitanism. When replaced by foreign words and technical terms (established). It’s the same here. There is a self-name, which in Russian sounds like ISIS. So let it sound.

    We have a cloud of Muslims, but so what? Things need to be called by their proper names. If there is a pseudo-state, which is called that way, with the mention of the word "Islamic". there is nothing to close your eyes and pretend that this is not so.
    Sorry for the comparison, do we call other unrecognized pseudo-states as they call themselves? Why is it necessary to introduce exceptions to the rules?

    Quote: atalef
    Quote: kamis51
    Tolerance, however. The same eggs, only a side view. As a fag do not name - the essence is one.

    Honestly, the word PEDERAS is much clearer to me than the overseas gay.
    And the reaction to it automatically more negative.
    You would call a spade a spade, you look on TV would show them less.
    And an appeal to the mayor's office - such as allowing piderastrady - would no longer raise questions - to allow or not laughing

    good
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  39. Old26
    Old26 2 December 2015 08: 29 New
    +3
    Quote: Flanke
    Further: they removed the "Islamic" not with the aim of not offending Muslims, but so that they would not associate themselves with the Islamic State. Mentally put yourself in the place of Muslims. Russia is bombing the Islamic state, I profess Islam and that means ... they beat ours! And so - some Daish is being bombed, there are wrong Muslims who have adapted religion to their own selfish ends.

    None of my friends and acquaintances (Muslims) associate themselves in this way. The argument is actually far-fetched

    Quote: alex-cn
    Of course, the name is familiar, but in my opinion, renaming is necessary. There are many Muslims, the level of education is different and there is absolutely no need for the name of this gang of terrorists and murderers, at least for someone to be associated with Islam. On the contrary, it is necessary to distance such formations as much as possible from any religion.

    Who is associated? We have? IMHO, again, the argument is far-fetched. If someone has a shepherd from the mountains, these associations appear - for this there is a mullah, let him clear his brain. To distance yourself as much as possible? But why distance yourself from religion if the vast majority of the members of this terrorist organization preach this particular religion? To turn a blind eye and pretend not, ISIS is just a terrorist organization without a religious background.
    On the contrary, it is necessary to say in every way that these people preach ISLAM in words, but in fact they violate its canons at every step. And it is precisely among Muslims that this should cause hatred towards them ...
  40. asar
    asar 2 December 2015 08: 30 New
    0
    Novel! Good all!
    Do not call Satan, he will not become kinder! Evil is Evil!
    And do not call these Satanists - even if IS, even DAISH, the meaning will not change!
    Since
    “Islam cannot be associated with aggression, with negative things.

    And even if IS, even DAISH, is clear - they have nothing to do with Islam!
    What (though not ig-daish) relation to Islam had the militants in the North. Caucasus? Which one?
    I will answer - Nothing! Though hiding under the banner of Allah!
    However, this is a topic for the article, this is not put up for comment!
    There will be time - I will write!
  41. Denis DV
    Denis DV 2 December 2015 08: 35 New
    +2
    The term Daesh I think should be applied to all Middle Eastern terrorist groups, including the moderate and NATO forces, and their sponsors in the Middle Easthi
  42. Tuzik
    Tuzik 2 December 2015 08: 42 New
    +4
    no need to rename, need to destroy and forget.
  43. Velizariy
    Velizariy 2 December 2015 08: 46 New
    +2
    And with what, all the same, they perverted the Koran, what exactly does not correspond to the Koran among them? Please explain, otherwise no one can or does not want to answer this question.
    1. Mikhal
      Mikhal 2 December 2015 08: 57 New
      +2
      What does bulk have to the opposition, the same they are to Islam.
    2. excomandante
      excomandante 2 December 2015 09: 36 New
      +3
      Yes, it’s empty talk - “match-not-match”. From the Koran, as well as from the Bible, you can pull any quotes confirming any point of view.
  44. Megavolt1
    Megavolt1 2 December 2015 08: 51 New
    +4
    Do I need to rename ISIS to Daesh

    And what's the difference how to call them? One must not judge by name, but by their "deeds."
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 2 December 2015 09: 16 New
      +1
      I completely agree, some kind of alarmism from Roman, and ISIS, ISIS or Daesh - they have nothing to do with Islam!
      what difference does it cost to rename it or not! 7
      moreover, it does not depend on this vote whether the journalist fraternity will use the recommendations of Topvar)
  45. iv-nord
    iv-nord 2 December 2015 08: 55 New
    +3
    As the enemy calls himself (ISIS or Daesh)., Under this name and destroy.
  46. mAgs
    mAgs 2 December 2015 09: 20 New
    +3
    You do not need to rename, there is not any point in it. How not to call them, for me their essence is one.
  47. Engineer
    Engineer 2 December 2015 09: 23 New
    +3
    UAB-500 anyway as they are called! am
  48. Siberia M 54
    Siberia M 54 2 December 2015 09: 28 New
    +1
    Rename is not necessary, it is necessary to extinguish.
  49. excomandante
    excomandante 2 December 2015 09: 32 New
    +1
    Is it the name? In the same Germany there are "Christian parties" of the CDU-CSU, and what is Christian in them, besides the name? They don’t even fight pederasty propaganda, and almost do not fight with tolerance and liberalism. Christians, however, what can I say))) Rename? But seriously, something IG is not aware that they are "not Muslims"))) If they, except for "Allah Akbar" do not know other words, are they Mormons, or are they Seventh-day Adventists?
  50. Isangrim
    Isangrim 2 December 2015 09: 33 New
    0
    How can he not be called alone. Moreover, this is their self-name. One way to bring down this infection, you need to burn it with a hot iron so that it does not crawl out. We like no one else know what Islamic Fundamentalism is nurtured on petrodollars from Saudi Arabia ... therefore, bring down, only bring down