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Su-34 in Syria began to arm air-to-air missiles

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Today, Russian Su-34 for the first time took off from the Khmeimim airfield not only with bombs but also air-to-air missiles, RIA News Message from the representative of the VKS Igor Klimov


Su-34 in Syria began to arm air-to-air missiles


According to him, “Russian Su-34 fighter-bombers today flew for the first time on a mission not only from aviation OFAB-500 bombs and KAB-500 adjustable bombs, but also with short- and medium-range air-to-air missiles. ”

Klimov explained that “Airplanes are equipped with missiles for protection”.

He noted that "the missiles are equipped with homing heads and are capable of hitting air targets at a distance of 60 kilometers."

The Russian command took this step after 6 days ago, a Turkish fighter shot down Su-24 over Syrian territory.
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  1. moskowit
    moskowit 30 November 2015 18: 31
    30
    Correct solution!
    1. vodolaz
      vodolaz 30 November 2015 18: 38
      +4
      That's right, now everyone will ask us permission to fly over Syria.
      1. jjj
        jjj 30 November 2015 18: 41
        24
        Bomber with fighter capabilities - a clear demonstration of the correct development of Russian aviation
        1. crazyrom
          crazyrom 30 November 2015 19: 29
          +8
          That would be a disgrace to the Turks (and mattresses), if their best fighter is shot down by a bomber!
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 30 November 2015 19: 41
            +9
            Quote: crazyrom
            That would be a disgrace to the Turks (and mattresses), if their best fighter is shot down by a bomber!
            - so it’s not exactly a bomber, it was created on the basis of the SU-27 fighter, a glider with minor changes, the engines are almost the same. After all, the fighter’s burrows remained for sure, so for the F-16 it’s a very dangerous opponent, albeit a bomber
            1. Vorobey-1
              Vorobey-1 1 December 2015 07: 29
              0
              began to arm with air-to-air missiles
              Long overdue!
              ps until the thunder strikes, man is not a criss-cross
        2. Samaritan
          Samaritan 30 November 2015 20: 22
          +5
          A bit late, video with air-to-air missiles:
        3. Botanologist
          Botanologist 30 November 2015 20: 57
          +2
          These opportunities have been embodied in Western aircraft since the 70's. Let the front-line bomber remain, and the multifunctional SU-30 in their destitute live long and productively.
          1. SIvan
            SIvan 1 December 2015 10: 01
            0
            The Su-34 was originally made as a fighter-bomber, and not just a bomber. He can stand up for himself, which means he needs less than the Su-30 on the basis of Khmeimim, i.e. there will be more drummers.
      2. Maj.
        Maj. 30 November 2015 19: 53
        +6
        They will not. They have a scant that there is no answer to provocations and will become impudent. The best remedy is a tangible adequate response to provocations.
        1. garik191
          garik191 30 November 2015 20: 14
          +4
          All our tourists will scatter and begin by praying ....
        2. garik191
          garik191 30 November 2015 20: 15
          +1
          All our tourists will scatter and begin by praying ....
    2. Sterlya
      Sterlya 30 November 2015 18: 41
      25
      Apparently, the Turks were completely blown away. Here everything can be expected.
      No matter how provocation was at sea. I think they can torpedo which ship, the more is known at gunpoint "Moscow". I think we need to introduce emergency anti-submarine defense measures. Do not wait for the next rooster to bite?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 30 November 2015 18: 43
        +6
        Quote: Sterlya
        all the more known at gunpoint "Moscow"

        As well as their airfields and ships ... and Moscow is not such a simple target. As long as the Turks get to it, it may well meet the adversary at distant approaches.
        1. Sterlya
          Sterlya 30 November 2015 18: 53
          +6
          Quote: NEXUS
          As well as their airfields and ships ... and Moscow is not such a simple target. As long as the Turks get to it, it may well meet the adversary at distant approaches.

          So, in principle, the Su-24 should not be shot down either. And I think these will be looking where weakly. The sky will not ride already, although the S-300-400 did not participate in real combat, so far, it makes a rustle.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 30 November 2015 18: 56
            14
            Quote: Sterlya
            So, in principle, the Su-24 should not be shot down either. And I think these will be looking where weakly. The sky will not ride already, although the S-300-400 did not participate in real combat, so far, it makes a rustle.

            Let them search ... even if they find, the answer will not be the same as when the bomber crashed. To be honest, I would have pulled Iskandera closer to the Turkish border to Armenia in order to hold the Turks stronger for the causal place.
            1. Sterlya
              Sterlya 30 November 2015 19: 01
              +8
              Quote: NEXUS
              Let them search ... even if they find, the answer will not be the same as when the bomber crashed. To be honest, I would have pulled Iskandera closer to the Turkish border to Armenia in order to hold the Turks stronger for the causal place.

              Probably yes, so that they know what's what. Here even their very presence in Armenia will also be on the nerves of the Turks.
              The Kurds asked V. Putin for medicine, bandages and medical equipment. Help would be required!
            2. aksakal
              aksakal 30 November 2015 19: 37
              +9
              Quote: NEXUS
              To be honest, I would pull Iskandera closer to the Turkish border to Armenia in order to keep the Turks stronger for their causal place.

              - yesterday we discussed the news - in Armenia everything is tip-top, it will be necessary! If the Turks rush to Syria - it is from Armenia that a cold, cooling shower will go
              1. Vasek
                Vasek 30 November 2015 23: 22
                +5
                Quote: aksakal
                If the Turks rush to Syria - it is from Armenia that a cold, cooling shower will go

                Wow, the Armenians have been waiting for this moment for over 100 years!
                It’s time to return Mount Ararat from the cognac label to the map of Armenia, and half the Turkey belonged to the Armenians from time immemorial.
                1. Talgat
                  Talgat 1 December 2015 02: 51
                  +2
                  I remembered a joke about Stalin

                  The Turks sent a protest to Stalin - why Mount Ararat is depicted on the emblem of the Armenian SSR, although it is not located on the territory of Armenia

                  Stalin replied - Here you have the moon on the flag - but the moon is not part of Turkey: smile
          2. veksha50
            veksha50 30 November 2015 19: 04
            16
            Quote: Sterlya
            So, in principle, the Su-24 should not be shot down either.



            The Su-24 did not have weapons capable of withstanding an attacking fighter ...

            Su-24 went without cover ...

            And, in the end, the guys on the Su-24 even in their thoughts did not allow this treacherous attack !!!
            1. Sterlya
              Sterlya 30 November 2015 19: 09
              +8
              Quote: veksha50
              The Su-24 did not have weapons capable of withstanding an attacking fighter ...

              Su-24 went without cover ...

              And, in the end, the guys on the Su-24 even in their thoughts did not allow this treacherous attack !!!

              All this is understandable. And rumors had already leaked that there were warnings that the Turks were going to bring down our plane, intelligence also did not work.
              So this is a curl, "friendly" country.
              The time without wars relaxed the Russian State. There are Jews, Always on the alert. And I'm sure to hell who would have caught them at the moment on such a "friendship".
            2. Maj.
              Maj. 30 November 2015 19: 57
              +6
              In war one must foresee everything conceivable and inconceivable and not relax.
              1. Rom14
                Rom14 30 November 2015 20: 20
                +3
                Identity in the war! And here biathlon seemed to think ...
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              3. Sterlya
                Sterlya 30 November 2015 20: 37
                +3
                Quote: major
                In war one must foresee everything conceivable and inconceivable and not relax.

                Here I am about that. War is war.
                Europe was always rallied by the arrogant Saxons against Russia. In principle, as the Germans would not be offended (perhaps the only Great Nation in Europe) they have always been a chain dog among the Naglosaks. (by way of intricacies not understandable for the Germans) The Germans are just somewhat similar to us. Therefore, for the Naglosak people a nightmare is a friendship between Russia and Germany.
                1. Just BB
                  Just BB 1 December 2015 05: 58
                  +1
                  Maybe enough about "friendship" stop
                  It’s Fedya and Petya who can be friends or with Hans, for example ...
                  "Cooperation on the basis of mutual interests", otherwise they have already "made friends" with some
        2. g1v2
          g1v2 30 November 2015 19: 12
          14
          By the way, in vain I did not argue with the ancient for money. Well, 2 weeks ago, I said that our Shairat can use it as a second base. And today, the Kuwaiti newspaper reported that there is an agreement to transfer Shairat to the needs of our VKS.
          Quote. “The source explained:“ Al-Shayrat, east of Homs, is the best choice for accommodating newly arriving combat aircraft. Russia has demanded that the joint group (Hezbollah, Iraqi militias and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps) regain control of al-Qaratein and Palmyra. knock out IS from there in order to expand the security perimeter around the second Russian airbase. "
          And now the offensive is just under Palmyra and from Makhin to al-Qaratein.
          So it looks like our air group will grow.
        3. ilya_oz
          ilya_oz 30 November 2015 19: 30
          0
          The cruiser Moscow has weak anti-submarine capabilities.
        4. sssla
          sssla 30 November 2015 19: 31
          -2
          Quote: NEXUS
          . While the Turks will be selected for him.

          I did not understand that Russia declared war on ???
          1. PQ-18
            PQ-18 30 November 2015 20: 13
            +4
            I did not understand that Russia declared war on ???

            yes, unofficial ... and, for a long time!
            1. Sterlya
              Sterlya 30 November 2015 20: 41
              +3
              Quote: PQ-18
              I did not understand that Russia declared war on ???

              yes, unofficial ... and, for a long time!

              300 years ago ... (and no one canceled)
              1. agent rossii
                agent rossii 30 November 2015 21: 24
                +1
                According to Zhirik 450 years ago hi
          2. V.ic
            V.ic 1 December 2015 06: 21
            0
            Quote: sssla
            I did not understand that Russia declared war on ???

            It would be better if they asked another question: when did Russia live peacefully? I would answer that only under Alexander the 3rd Peacemaker.
        5. Rom14
          Rom14 30 November 2015 20: 15
          +1
          But after all, they somehow got close to the Su-24 (super apparatus), why did the flyers not see that they were being shot point-blank ??? I don’t understand a damn thing ...
          1. Vasek
            Vasek 30 November 2015 23: 35
            0
            Quote: Rom14
            Su-24 (super unit)

            They say the most emergency in our VKS. Yes, and he has a lot of years.
            Su-34 hesitate to attack, damn it ...
            1. Just BB
              Just BB 1 December 2015 06: 05
              +2
              Rom14
              But after all, they somehow got close to the Su-24 (super apparatus), why did the flyers not see that they were being shot point-blank ??? I don’t understand a damn thing ...

              Vasek
              They say the most emergency in our VKS. Yes, and he has a lot of years.
              Su-34 hesitate to attack, damn it ...

              And you will see in the car that someone is driving you 3-5 km away?
              I would turn up 34 and hit him
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      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 30 November 2015 19: 01
        11
        Quote: Sterlya
        I think they can torpedo which ship, the more is known at gunpoint "Moscow"

        I doubt very much that "Moscow" is in the Mediterranean in solo voyage! The Black Sea Fleet has four newest multifunctional submarines! And it is not yet known who is hunting who there! good
        1. Sterlya
          Sterlya 30 November 2015 19: 04
          +2
          Quote: GSH-18
          I doubt very much that "Moscow" is in the Mediterranean in solo voyage! The Black Sea Fleet has four newest multifunctional submarines! And it is not yet known who is hunting who there! good

          God give it. God grant! War is War. Anything can happen.
        2. tlauicol
          tlauicol 30 November 2015 19: 09
          0
          at the Black Sea Fleet now not a single boat is in service, except for "Rostov" (in mind). Turks have 14
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 30 November 2015 22: 19
            -2
            Quote: Tlauicol
            at the Black Sea Fleet now not a single boat is in service, except for "Rostov" (in mind). Turks have 14

            And we can all the same take an interest before writing a gag ???
            1. tlauicol
              tlauicol 1 December 2015 04: 21
              0
              take an interest before throwing caps - everything is under repair or completion in the north
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      3. sovetskyturist
        sovetskyturist 30 November 2015 19: 26
        0
        Apparently, the Turks were completely blown away. Here you can expect everything
        Ankara used a "trump card": Turkey began to block Russian military ships


        Ankara used a "trump card": Turkey began to block Russian military ships

        Media reports say Turkey’s response to Moscow’s sanctions has become a reality. The data of the automatic ship identification system confirm that Ankara launched a blockade of Russian military ships: only Turkish ships move along the Bosphorus, there is no movement through the Dardanelles. try with Russian blood, and the Turks will play the role of a fighter with a threat from the east. the old script, and the actors are the same, remember 331014
      4. Rock616
        Rock616 30 November 2015 20: 34
        -3
        I agree with you about the demolished roof after the Most Simple refused to talk to Churkaman, but as for "Moscow" you are right, you need to adjust "Peter the Great" there so that the monkeys don't get into bad thoughts! angry
        1. Don
          Don 30 November 2015 21: 20
          +3
          There is nothing for Great Peta to do in this pool. It was created for completely different purposes - it is a ship for large ocean battles. In no case should you lose it. Answer anything - Iskander, Caliber, ALCV, Dryers, Carcasses, but the flagship of the fleet must be reserved for amers.
      5. good7
        good7 30 November 2015 20: 51
        0
        ICBM cool cool head even for insane lovers to cut sheep!
      6. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 1 December 2015 04: 29
        +1
        Quote: Sterlya
        need to introduce emergency anti-submarine defense measures

        Yes, it would be advisable to send anti-submarine ships there.
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 30 November 2015 18: 49
      17
      On TV they showed how they meet the body of a downed hero, pilot Oleg Peshkov. Shoigu personally met the board at the airport.
      1. dyksi
        dyksi 30 November 2015 19: 55
        +9
        Kingdom to him be heaven, here is a video.
    4. Samaritan
      Samaritan 30 November 2015 18: 50
      12
      New MiG-29UB (product 9-53).
      Under the wing suspended models R-73.
      November 2015 year.
    5. Vikings
      Vikings 30 November 2015 19: 03
      +4
      Quote: moskowit
      Correct solution!

      That would be a week earlier, glyadish would save priceless
      life of our pilot and marine!
    6. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 30 November 2015 19: 06
      +5
      Our ducks have such a harmless and peaceful appearance, the most tender plane.
      1. PQ-18
        PQ-18 30 November 2015 20: 16
        +1
        Our ducks have such a harmless and peaceful appearance, the most tender plane.

        well, just "Uchi-Paths"! lol
    7. 79807420129
      79807420129 30 November 2015 19: 14
      10
      It's time, now pederastgan and the other six will think three times before committing provocations.
    8. Tor5
      Tor5 30 November 2015 19: 24
      +4
      In principle, knowing the attitude towards us and our operation in Syria, it was possible and necessary to do this Before, not After ....
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  2. Darkoff
    Darkoff 30 November 2015 18: 31
    +6
    It's time, of course!
    Interestingly, the bomb payload will decrease? Or are different suspensions used for bombs and for missiles?
    1. Nick
      Nick 30 November 2015 18: 37
      +9
      Quote: DarkOFF
      It's time, of course!
      Interestingly, the bomb payload will decrease? Or are different suspensions used for bombs and for missiles?

      Total combat load 8 tons. Above this, the aircraft will not take it, whether it be air-to-air missiles, whether it is means of combating ground targets, whether one or the other in any proportion, despite the number of suspensions
    2. operrus
      operrus 30 November 2015 18: 41
      +4
      The fact of the matter is, if the Turks have fewer bombs, then washing them so that they won’t be able to bomb less needles is interesting, the opinion of experts is interesting on how effective drying 34 is against fighter f 15, 16.
      1. enhansment
        enhansment 30 November 2015 19: 13
        +3
        I'm not special. It is necessary to look at exactly which Turks f 16 and f 15.
        But as for me, according to our offs. information (which you can not always believe) then the chances are much higher than that of the Soviet-made su27, due to the much more powerful radar and CREB, maneuverable close combat is not particularly believed. Although here, Su 34 is not bad, if without bombs.
        It is important under what circumstances, if the Turks again set up an ambush, and ours on relaxation will then even su30.
        + The Turks have an advantage, there are ground-based radars.
        Conclusion: Depends on related factors, there is every chance over neutral territory.
        1. Sterlya
          Sterlya 30 November 2015 19: 28
          +1
          Quote: enhansment
          I'm not special. It is necessary to look at exactly which Turks f 16 and f 15.
          But as for me, according to our offs. information (which you can not always believe) then the chances are much higher than that of the Soviet-made su27, due to the much more powerful radar and CREB, maneuverable close combat is not particularly believed. Although here, Su 34 is not bad, if without bombs.
          It is important under what circumstances, if the Turks again set up an ambush, and ours on relaxation will then even su30.
          + The Turks have an advantage, there are ground-based radars.
          Conclusion: Depends on related factors, there is every chance over neutral territory.

          And so that to rack your brains, if there is an alert in advance, the load can be thrown to the extreme. If any Turk attacks, do not care. But what about the S-400? Yes, let him have time to go deep into his territory, catch up with a supply of a couple of missiles.
          1. enhansment
            enhansment 30 November 2015 19: 32
            +3
            If there is an alert and Su 34 are equipped with CREBs (I hope that they have been equipped these days), then yes. With 400, this is another question, besides, provocations will now apparently be in the sea.
        2. sssla
          sssla 30 November 2015 19: 32
          +1
          Quote: enhansment
          + Turks have an advantage

          For your information, these trousers also have the help of mattresses !!!
          1. enhansment
            enhansment 30 November 2015 19: 37
            +6
            Quote: sssla
            Quote: enhansment
            + Turks have an advantage

            For your information, these trousers also have the help of mattresses !!!

            True? I never would have thought that the United States could do that. After all, Obama is the winner of the Peace Prize!
            1. Maj.
              Maj. 30 November 2015 20: 05
              0
              Are you or is it a joke?
            2. Sterlya
              Sterlya 30 November 2015 20: 47
              +1
              Quote: enhansment
              After all, Obama is the winner of the Peace Prize!

              Then I am an angel! laughing And I still think why the shoulders itch, probably the wings grow laughing
        3. PQ-18
          PQ-18 30 November 2015 20: 19
          0
          The Turks have the advantage, there are ground-based radars.

          belay But, is the Russian airborne base and air defense group .. WITHOUT radar support work ?!
          wink
          1. enhansment
            enhansment 30 November 2015 21: 06
            +1
            Quote: PQ-18
            The Turks have the advantage, there are ground-based radars.

            belay But, is the Russian airborne base and air defense group .. WITHOUT radar support work ?!
            wink

            Apparently without. Right now it’s clear with 400, and I don’t know how its radar can direct our destroyer to the target or not, and how is the information exchanged between them? Here it is necessary to understand, or listen to the opinions of a knowledgeable person.
        4. 78bor1973
          78bor1973 30 November 2015 20: 33
          0
          Turkish F-16s have even few chances against the Su-27!
      2. Just BB
        Just BB 1 December 2015 06: 13
        0
        So not on "revolvers" smile (guns) to fight.
        And with rockets - who used to be
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 30 November 2015 18: 53
      +9
      No, in the sense that empty 4 bombs fly, this is the maximum, and they fly regularly with 2 CABs. Therefore, the real, that is, the applied load will not suffer.

      Will another question help? Even scare away? After all, a cover fighter must cut off, irradiate with radar and threaten on the air. EW can and Su-34 catch in navigation / work on the ground and emerge with a set of shadows from the mountains and knock down Side / AMRAAM. In fact, a cover fighter will not replace this. Only when one carries out the BZ, and the second controls the air situation and searches for radar, only then can we talk about real chances to cut off the emerging Turks.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 30 November 2015 19: 07
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        Only when one carries out the BZ, and the second controls the air situation and searches for radar



        So it seems that ours have already abandoned single flights ... More precisely, from flights without fighter cover ...
    4. ilya_oz
      ilya_oz 30 November 2015 19: 31
      0
      Judging by the video and photo materials, the Su-34 fly with by no means the maximum bomb load.
  3. sever.56
    sever.56 30 November 2015 18: 31
    +6
    The toys are over ...
    In the sky of Syria everything will be destroyed that can only threaten our aircraft even hypothetically. Everyone to sit still !!!
    1. Throw
      Throw 30 November 2015 18: 33
      -7
      6 days itched ...
      1. sever.56
        sever.56 30 November 2015 18: 39
        +2
        Quote: Lance
        6 days itched ..


        You think so? There are still no such technical means to move goods over a distance of thousands of kilometers at the speed of light! Be realistic.
        1. Throw
          Throw 30 November 2015 18: 44
          +1
          A realist ?! Then, they scratched TWO MONTHS!
          The explosives from the beginning of the operation were supposed to be there!
          Not Mlyn, it’s like they were going to air darts ..
          1. sever.56
            sever.56 30 November 2015 18: 55
            +6
            Quote: Lance
            Then they scratched TWO MONTHS!


            That scratched TWO MONTHS, how do you say ???
            For two months we hammered ISIS both in the tail and in the mane as best we could. During this time, the damage was caused to the terrorists by an order of magnitude more than the troops of the so-called. "coalitions".
            Another thing is that there was a certain agreement with this "coalition", at least about some kind of information exchange, and we did not expect a fatal blow from the Turkish aviation, because it is, as it were, a member of the "anti-terrorist coalition." Now everything has fallen into place and we know that threats can be expected from any direction. Our response will be appropriate.
            PS Indiscreet question: - You didn’t finish the Air Force named after Zhukovsky, and, subsequently, the General Staff Academy to make such categorical decisions?
          2. Sterlya
            Sterlya 30 November 2015 18: 56
            0
            Quote: Lance
            A realist ?! Then, they scratched TWO MONTHS!
            The explosives from the beginning of the operation were supposed to be there!
            Not Mlyn, it’s like they were going to air darts ..

            They haven’t fought so long. What troops were at the beginning of World War II, and in the End?
            1. Throw
              Throw 30 November 2015 18: 58
              -4
              For 70 years, like, memory recaptured?

              It is a pity that 8 / 8 / 8 did not refresh her generals ..

              A month later, you see, they will "remember" about "Khibiny" too ..
              1. Sterlya
                Sterlya 30 November 2015 19: 13
                0
                Quote: Lance
                For 70 years, like, memory recaptured?

                It is a pity that 8 / 8 / 8 did not refresh her generals ..

                A month later, you see, they will "remember" about "Khibiny" too ..

                8/8/8 really showed everything, although the whole west was expecting that it would be even worse. (otherwise they wouldn’t attack)
                1. Throw
                  Throw 30 November 2015 19: 32
                  +2
                  8 / 8 / 8 reminded that war is a big mess, and they can plant it from anywhere.
                  And it’s good that the Khibiny put on cars not after of how someone (God forbid!) will be planted with a rocket from the Strategic Missile Forces ..
                2. Throw
                  Throw 30 November 2015 19: 56
                  +2

                  Sever.56
                  PS Indiscreet question: - You didn’t finish the Air Force named after Zhukovsky, and, subsequently, the General Staff Academy to make such categorical decisions?

                  I graduated from HSE, but even there they know that a missile is TWO orders of magnitude cheaper than an airplane! laughing
                  Just kidding

                  PUSHNIKI we.
                  Therefore, the weapons and tactics of using aviation (that of ours, that of ours) also passed. And I will tell you more, in areas where it is possible to use air defense systems, airplanes need to carry not only explosives, but also PRRs. Schaub Bulo. + EW.
                  Yes, the bomb load is reduced, but ours are not really tearing there.

                  And also note the gratifying fact that my fellow economistswink 400 they dragged BTA there and deployed for 3 days! And this, you know, is not to attach a rocket under the wing ...
                  soldier
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                  2. sever.56
                    sever.56 30 November 2015 20: 37
                    -4
                    Quote: Lance
                    I graduated from HSE


                    HSE ...? Is this the one founded by Gaidar, Chubais and others like them? This is "three times ACADEMICIAN OF ALL POSSIBLE SCIENCES Nadezhdin taught you and now" shines "on all talk shows of Russian TV, finely and quietly transferring the same patterns from show to show: -" Russia is not right "," you cannot quarrel with fraternal Ukrainian people "," we have nothing to do in Syria "," the price of the life of a Russian soldier "," freedom of truckers "???
                    Then everything is clear ... And never again try to judge what you have little understanding of. What teachers, such and students ...
                    1. Throw
                      Throw 30 November 2015 22: 02
                      +1
                      Bliin ...
                      North. Do you understand the jokes? Especially when it is written "joke"?
                      Or you chew torpedo pinched? lol
                      1. sever.56
                        sever.56 30 November 2015 22: 33
                        0
                        Quote: Lance
                        Or you chew torpedo pinched?


                        I'm doing fine with CH. And you, apparently, are not very, do not have the slightest idea what a torpedo is, and you cling it out of place. I’m not saying that an arithmometer fell on your head if you write something that I don’t share ...
                        I was just hooked by your words: - "Itched for 6 days", "For 70 years, the memory has beaten off", "It's a pity that 8/8/8 did not refresh it for the generals" ...
                        Well, everything is almost like a carbon copy. The dean of some HSE faculty there, Nadezhdin, says the same thing at every talk show, but the audience to which he broadcasts is a little higher than yours, and say the same very nasty things. I understand the technology of such "broadcasting" - "you look, someone will think about my words", - "how short-sighted and bad our leadership and generals ... Here, they sent people to a foreign side, to certain death. Without cover, without sensible airfield protection, almost the same collapse as at the beginning of the Second World War ... "
                        Broadcast further, but I think people who can distinguish where the sincere words are and where is the petty dirty trick, pursuing great goals, are the majority.
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    2. veksha50
      veksha50 30 November 2015 19: 08
      +3
      Quote: sever.56
      Everyone to sit still !!!



      Let them lie better ... with ... calmly ...
  4. alex74nur
    alex74nur 30 November 2015 18: 32
    +3
    The good news is that the Ottomans will think three times before breaking Syria’s airspace.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 1 December 2015 06: 30
      0
      Quote: alex74nur
      Now the Ottomans will think three times before violating the airspace of Syria.

      You think so? This is because you have brains in your head! And the Turks, most likely, they are in the opposite place.
  5. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 30 November 2015 18: 34
    +5
    We must be prepared for any villainy from our probable friends ... rockets just in topic ...
  6. Mera joota
    Mera joota 30 November 2015 18: 34
    -4
    Those. again without cover ... From a Su-34 fighter like a bullet from manure, what do the Su-30s do at all?
    1. ZAV69
      ZAV69 30 November 2015 18: 41
      +3
      24 and 25 covers, obviously it is necessary to strengthen the grouping
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 30 November 2015 18: 49
        0
        Quote: Mera Joota
        What are the Su-30s doing at all?
        At the initial stage of the operation, they were reported to be used as scouts and repeaters.
    2. _my opinion
      _my opinion 30 November 2015 18: 42
      +1
      Quote: Mera Joota
      Those. again without cover ... From a Su-34 fighter like a bullet from manure, what do the Su-30s do at all?

      Without cover? and the S-400 doesn’t count ... minus is not mine ...
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 30 November 2015 19: 10
        -1
        Quote: _my opinion
        Without cover? and the S-400 doesn’t count ..

        On such a terrain, there is not much sense from the S-400; mountains interfere.
        1. Throw
          Throw 30 November 2015 20: 14
          0
          +
          A-50 must be applied.
          And do not forget to cover it too!
    3. 78bor1973
      78bor1973 30 November 2015 18: 42
      +2
      In close maneuvering combat, it is somewhat heavy, but it can give odds to some fighters! Do not forget on the basis of what it was created, aerodynamics are almost the same!
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 30 November 2015 19: 15
        -1
        Quote: 78bor1973
        In close maneuverable combat, he is somewhat heavy

        He is not very distant. Weak radar and non-native engines make him a useless fighter. The lack of OLS reduces the potential of the R-73, which is also not pleasing in close combat ...
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 30 November 2015 19: 24
          +3
          Quote: Mera Joota
          He is not very distant. Weak radar and non-native engines make him a useless fighter.

          Normal radar there:
          Viewing range to an air target (with an EPR of 3 m²): 120 km
          Escort: up to 10 goals at a time
          Shelling: up to 4 targets at a time
          Viewing range for ground targets: 30-100 km
          KREP: Khibiny
          In relation to the situation in Syria, S-400 ground-based radars can also provide target designation.
    4. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 30 November 2015 18: 46
      +1
      SU-34 makes F-16 Turkish as a god to a turtle ... read a review about the state of the Turkish air force and the question about shit and a bullet will disappear by itself
      1. Manul
        Manul 30 November 2015 19: 05
        +2
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        SU-34 makes F-16 Turkish as a god to a turtle ... read a review about the state of the Turkish air force and the question about shit and a bullet will disappear by itself

        Well, firstly, the review of the review is different - if you read the hat-making patriotic articles of sofa experts. then tomorrow we can start a war against all of NATO (peace be it there) - everything falls apart for them all, and we have everything super and also have electronic warfare that can do everything), and win the war in a week.
        And secondly - you would listen to the opinion of donavi49 - the person is clearly in the subject and does not talk about aviation on the side.
        How do you imagine the Su-34 will do the F-16, which will go to the tail, and our Drying still with bombs on the suspension? And for example, on a combat course, and with an unfulfilled combat mission?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 30 November 2015 19: 11
          +2
          Quote: Manul
          How do you imagine the Su-34 will do the F-16, which will go to the tail, and our Drying still with bombs on the suspension?

          I would be interested to see how the 34th will allow the F-16th to fall into its tail, seeing it at distant approaches and having more long-range missiles ... In addition, I think one of the 34th will be covering and most likely not will be hung with a large bomb load.
          1. Manul
            Manul 30 November 2015 19: 28
            0
            Quote: NEXUS
            I would be interested to see how the 34th will allow the F-16th to fall into its tail, seeing it at distant approaches and having more long-range missiles ... In addition, I think one of the 34th will be covering and most likely not will be hung with a large bomb load.

            Do we have missiles that can be launched into the rear hemisphere? (If this is the Su-34, all the same, one) what And did the Su-34 fly in pairs? Or will they start now? But does it make sense to send the 34th as a fighter, why then do thirty are needed? (I understand that there are only 4 of them, so more are needed)
            PS I read the comment on Newfox 19.03. In principle, the answer to all my questions.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 30 November 2015 19: 36
              +1
              Quote: Manul
              And did the Su-34 fly in pairs? Or will they start now?

              I suppose they have already begun, after a diversion with our bomber.
              Quote: Manul
              But does it make sense to send the 34th as a fighter, why then do thirty are needed? (I understand that there are only 4 of them, so more are needed)

              Because it takes time to build up the fighter group, and the fighters themselves ... for each bomber you need a couple of fighters, or at least one, so consider how many cover fighters we need for those 4th 30th ... The measure is forced throughout visibility, but it is necessary to perform operations. In addition, there is also cover for the S-400s, so I think that is not so bad. hi
              1. Manul
                Manul 30 November 2015 22: 51
                0
                Quote: NEXUS
                Because it takes time to build up the fighter group, and the fighters themselves ... for each bomber you need a couple of fighters, or at least one, so consider how many cover fighters we need for those 4th 30th ... The measure is forced throughout visibility, but it is necessary to perform operations. In addition, there is also cover for the S-400s, so I think that is not so bad.

                Well, the essence of ground air defense is still to guard a specific ground object. They do not guard aircraft. Those have their own route, their own task. (As they think about electronic warfare, if the figure of 500 km is indicated, then the enemy flies over 501 km, but how it flies into the "bubble" wassat )
                The problem of our disputes lies in the fact that the media spoke in such a tone that the Su-34, in addition to bombs, will still cling to itself and the explosive missiles. By the way, I’ve already seen a video where it seems so. I hope the 34th on a combat course and fully loaded will have time to turn around after an enemy salvo and evade a fired missile, and will have time to transmit information about the attack and obtain permission to destroy, and launch B-B missiles, and hit the target and re-calculate the fighting course and return to it, and drop bombs (which burdened him the entire previous air battle) and have enough fuel to return to base.
          2. perm23
            perm23 1 December 2015 07: 08
            +1
            Well, after all, the F-16 was aimed at radars, and even Avax was. 16 irradiation did not. popped a blow from behind and that's it. Here at least someone will be, even PAK FA. And the most important thing in everything is not even airplanes, but steel eggs of commanders. So that they are allowed to beat in case of danger. And then if the flyers are told in every possible way to avoid confrontation and conflict, what can they do. You just need a clear order.
        2. Newfox
          Newfox 30 November 2015 21: 05
          +2
          Quote: Manul

          How do you imagine the Su-34 will do the F-16, which will go to the tail, and our Drying still with bombs on the suspension? And for example, on a combat course, and with an unfulfilled combat mission?

          An emergency drop of bombs with an anti-ballistic maneuver and shooting traps, if the capture of the GOS took place. Then a military turn and counterattack. 34th loses f-16 in thrust-to-weight ratio, but very possibly no worse in horizontal maneuverability. So there are chances. The main thing is to save the car and the lives of the pilots. And another pair will perform the combat mission. It will be worse against f-15 or f-22. But I hope, I really hope so, it won’t come to this.
          1. Sterlya
            Sterlya 30 November 2015 21: 12
            +2
            Quote: Newfox
            Quote: Manul

            How do you imagine the Su-34 will do the F-16, which will go to the tail, and our Drying still with bombs on the suspension? And for example, on a combat course, and with an unfulfilled combat mission?

            An emergency drop of bombs with an anti-ballistic maneuver and shooting traps, if the capture of the GOS took place. Then a military turn and counterattack. 34th loses f-16 in thrust-to-weight ratio, but very possibly no worse in horizontal maneuverability. So there are chances. The main thing is to save the car and the lives of the pilots. And another pair will perform the combat mission. It will be worse against f-15 or f-22. But I hope, I really hope so, it won’t come to this.

            This requires an early warning, more time, as you know more trenches in any situation.
            But it didn’t work out well with the Su-24, no one warned them that the Turks were flying nearby, that they were flying at them ....
            1. Newfox
              Newfox 30 November 2015 23: 30
              0
              No one expected such rudeness from the Turks. They themselves did not expect. Even when they embarked on a combat course before launch, they probably thought on the ground that they would squeeze the edge with tracers along the course for the lapel, as always with such incidents. The launch of the rocket was an absolute surprise. Now they will assume that the Turks are enemies. Very sorry for the pilot and marine. Killed due to Turkish villainy.
          2. Manul
            Manul 30 November 2015 22: 52
            0
            Quote: Newfox
            Emergency bomb drop

            What am I getting at? They can even predict the attack, so that the pilots are faced with the situation to drop bombs on the village.
            1. Newfox
              Newfox 30 November 2015 23: 21
              +1
              Now this is unlikely. Our crews will be notified in advance of all possible approaches from the ground. It is quite possible that priority goals will be clogged in the flight plan and probable, during an emergency reset, when an attack is likely. Pre-flight preparation will be carried out more carefully, only in plus. And the population density there is not European, the desert is everywhere. But the S-400 will have the opportunity to work on those who threatened. They also understand this. Because they sit right now and do not risk flying close.
    5. veksha50
      veksha50 30 November 2015 19: 13
      +1
      Quote: Mera Joota
      What are the Su-30s doing at all?



      There are few of them (only 4), and precisely because of this, the downed Su-24 flew without fighter cover ...

      After all, it was, apparently, in a rush of euphoria when a representative of our air group said that they would start flying single-aircraft, since there are a lot of targets ...

      Well, just a few days later they shot down the plane ... After all, no one could have thought that the Turks could take such a step ...

      Why moan about the fighter cover ??? Each of us knows the number of aircraft in the air group ... I would understand if you raised the issue of increasing the number of fighters ... And then "what are the fighters doing there" ... They are in great demand ...
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 30 November 2015 19: 42
        +2
        Quote: veksha50
        After all, no one could have thought that the Turks could take such a step ...

        Come on. We are bombing a Turkoman, i.e. in fact, the Turks residing in Syria, the Turks have repeatedly killed Syrian cars there, moreover, they stated that they would bring down all the violators. You are preparing the Su-24 task knowing (I hope) that for an hour in that area a couple of Turkish F-16s have been hanging. Is there a risk of conflict? Sure, let it seem that it’s not big. And what will you be guided by? I don’t know about you, but AVOS was guided there ... as always ...
        Quote: veksha50
        I would understand if you raised the issue of increasing the number of fighters ...

        So it is obvious ...
        1. mvg
          mvg 30 November 2015 21: 04
          +1
          In the air, 2 AWACS (Turkish and Saudi), 2 Su-24s had just been bombed by the Turkoman, 30 km F-16 on duty, themselves above the Turkish-Syrian border, and the navigator Sushki was warming that he did not even imagine that they would be shot down. And then they did not warn .. for several days in a row. Where's the STR? Exposure warning station?
          Either there was a squeal of happiness when they wrote here that when their aircraft was irradiated (when the missile's seeker was seized), NATO members "made wings."
          AIM-9X, launch range in the front hemisphere - 18 km, in the "ass" - less. What, our radars could not tell that the Falcon is coming in for an attack?
          PS: Something I have no words, one keyboard remained. And from the comments of the veksh, nekhus, gsh-18, the Manuel is somehow coldly drawn by the nursery .. So the teacher will fall asleep, (as an option - the teacher will be distracted), and WE will show them (the enemies) "Kuzkin's mother"
          1. perm23
            perm23 1 December 2015 07: 11
            0
            Questions like you. why didn’t our radars warn of the approach 16. At least that they hang there. be on your guard.
  7. bronik
    bronik 30 November 2015 18: 35
    +3
    We will not substitute our back!
  8. tinibar
    tinibar 30 November 2015 18: 35
    +2
    Quote: moskowit
    Correct solution!

    How not to plus such news! Now let the adversaries think! ...
  9. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 30 November 2015 18: 35
    +7
    Maybe it would be better to cover them with fighters? Although one does not interfere with the other ..
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 30 November 2015 18: 41
      +7
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Maybe it would be better to cover them with fighters?

      I think fighters will also cover ... the Aerospace Forces grouping in Syria is being built up. But the SU-34 is not the 24th. Unlike the "old man", it is also capable of piling up an enemy fighter, that's why they put air-to-air missiles on it. hi
    2. 78bor1973
      78bor1973 30 November 2015 18: 45
      +3
      Ours may be happy to have more fighters, but there is only one airfield and there is not enough space, so we decided to use the Su-34!
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 30 November 2015 18: 46
        +2
        Quote: 78bor1973
        Ours may be happy to have more fighters, but there is only one airfield and there is not enough space, so we decided to use the Su-34!

        It seems that the Syrians have already allocated us the second airfield ... so there is something to build up.
        1. KnightRider
          KnightRider 30 November 2015 21: 26
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          It seems that the Syrians have already allocated us the second airfield ... so there is something to build up.

          We must also clear the area around the airfield, which is now being done. Everything has its time
      2. KnightRider
        KnightRider 30 November 2015 21: 25
        0
        Quote: 78bor1973
        Ours may be happy to have more fighters, but there is only one airfield and there is not enough space, so we decided to use the Su-34!

        Think correctly, dear. According to sources, the Ministry of Defense today is based on "Khmeimim"
        4 SU-30CM
        4 SU-27CM
        12 Su-34
        11 Su-24M (was 12)
        12 SU-25CM
        12 Mi-24P
        3 Mi-8AMTS (was 4)
        That is, there’s nowhere to drop an apple there, but there are also transporters, scouts ... Therefore, it was logical to re-equip the Su-34 with BB missiles, just as the Su-30SM fighters recently clung to OFAB fuselages
    3. Newfox
      Newfox 30 November 2015 19: 03
      +6
      Cover up with a couple. There are not enough fighters for all bombers. Will cover the 24th. The 34s have good maneuverability potential, especially without a bomb load. In terms of avionics and aiming, they are almost not inferior to fighters, so the decision is forced, but correct.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 30 November 2015 19: 07
        +2
        Quote: Newfox
        In terms of avionics and aiming, they are almost not inferior to fighters, so the decision is a forced, but correct.

        We have longer-range missiles, so I think the F-16, if anything, just won't let the 34 reach the launch range of its missiles. hi
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 30 November 2015 19: 17
          +1
          there you can get a spit from the border to Latakia. F16 is constantly on duty on the ledge, incl. long-range missiles are not an argument
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 30 November 2015 19: 21
            +2
            Quote: Tlauicol
            there you can get a spit from the border to Latakia. F16 is constantly on duty on the ledge, incl. long-range missiles are not an argument

            To do this, there is an S-400, and I think Krasukhi is ready. In addition, the S-400 radar also monitors airspace deep into Turkey. Or do you consider Turkish kamikaze pilots?
            1. tlauicol
              tlauicol 30 November 2015 19: 30
              +3
              not. they are not dumber than us. will be knocked out of an ambush from a height of 1500-2000m, masking the relief. C-400 does not know how to look through the mountains
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 30 November 2015 19: 40
                +2
                Quote: Tlauicol
                not. they are not dumber than us. will be knocked out of an ambush from a height of 1500-2000m, masking the relief. C-400 does not know how to look through the mountains

                To do this, the F-16th needs to take off from the airfield and fly to the ambush point ... all this time, it will be under the gun of our complexes, and our airborne forces will be warned of the Turkish fighters being in dangerous proximity. I suspect that Syria has and I think there’s not one A-50, but there’s no official information about it. But if they’re still there, then the Turks will not be able to strike from the ambush.
                1. tlauicol
                  tlauicol 1 December 2015 04: 27
                  +1
                  Nexusu: you probably think that F-16 taking off from an airfield in central Turkey, gaining altitude of ten kilometers, and then reduced for an ambush? He will not be at gunpoint - all for the same reason: the S-400 can not see through the mountains
              2. figter
                figter 30 November 2015 22: 40
                +1
                tlauicol
                not. they are not dumber than us. will be knocked out of an ambush from a height of 1500-2000m, masking the relief. C-400 does not know how to look through the mountains

                It's not just mountains. It is necessary to take into account the detection range (and, as a consequence, tracking and destruction) of targets in altitude based on pure physics and geography, and more specifically, take into account that at altitudes from 100-1000 meters, the radar detection range does not exceed 45-50 km, even if these radars are located on the masts - there is a limit to everything, and correlating this range with the distance of the starting positions of the S-400 air defense systems from the Syrian-Turkish border - about 40 km, make sure of their extremely unfortunate location. Patriotic drawing on a map of a circle with a radius of 400 kilometers and issuing it as real combat capabilities to destroy a target without taking into account the altitude of an enemy aircraft is a great nonsense. On the contrary, in this case, Turkey's aviation has every chance to go with absolutely impunity at extremely low and low altitudes to the range of launching an anti-radar missile without leaving its airspace. The means of cover (the Pantsir-S division) will not be able to help the elder brother in any way, because he will not be "enough" for this about 25-30 km. It is too small for that. The presence of the S-400 air defense system on the territory practically from three sides surrounded by the sea will allow the enemy to make extensive use of the airspace over neutral waters and, first of all, for actions of demonstration-distracting and simulating attack groups, ensuring the withdrawal of the strike group to the launch line. In addition, the S-400 complex is not maneuverable, it is not intended to quickly, within a matter of time without additional folding-deployment, change starting positions, avoiding the strike, which is very important in this situation when covering troops from air strikes. This is a positional complex of a standby regime, protection against missile attacks of large centers, and it is not his task - to cover the troops. And if he is forced to perform these tasks, then only exclusively in cooperation, primarily with the medium-range air defense system - "Buk-M1 or M2". This is the only way to prevent enemy aircraft from reaching the missile launch line. And the deployment of the S-400 in Syria is a more political move than justified by necessity. It was enough to cover the base and part of important areas to deploy a mixed anti-aircraft missile brigade of two Buk-M2 battalions and one S-300VM (1,2) - this is precisely their task. And I personally find it strange that a different, absolutely unjustified decision was made and it is not clear what calculations were guided by the military leaders who made such a decision.
                1. perm23
                  perm23 1 December 2015 07: 18
                  +1
                  And who knows what the commanders thought about. Only words are hoped
                  The S-400 will scare everyone.
              3. perm23
                perm23 1 December 2015 07: 15
                0
                Correctly can and so. S-400 is not a panacea. The main defense is a military response, we hit us in response and that’s it.
            2. perm23
              perm23 1 December 2015 07: 14
              0
              You write, write, and that you yourself do not understand. What they fear is the Turks. They jump out without even entering the space of Syria blow and care and that we will shoot them down on Turkish territory. It would be nice, but not sure.
        2. perm23
          perm23 1 December 2015 07: 12
          0
          If he sees, this is the time, and if he is allowed. I look at the Turks with permission to beat there is no problem.
  10. enhansment
    enhansment 30 November 2015 18: 37
    +2
    “Missiles are equipped with homing heads and are capable of hitting air targets at a distance of up to 60 kilometers”
    And what are these "homing heads" that shoot down 60 km? As far as I understand, at such a distance the radar should guide the missile.
    1. gjv
      gjv 30 November 2015 19: 40
      +1
      Quote: enhansment
      And what are these "homing heads" that shoot down 60 km?

      The R-27 missile has several modifications, including those with a launch range of up to 110 km on airplanes that cause active interference. In general, the airborne radar on the Su-34 should provide the capture and tracking of 10 targets at ranges up to 120 km and guidance of four missiles.
      1. enhansment
        enhansment 30 November 2015 19: 46
        +1
        Quote: gjv
        Quote: enhansment
        And what are these "homing heads" that shoot down 60 km?

        The R-27 missile has several modifications, including those with a launch range of up to 110 km on airplanes that cause active interference. In general, the airborne radar on the Su-34 should provide the capture and tracking of 10 targets at ranges up to 120 km and guidance of four missiles.

        Well, I meant that the radar station leads. I misunderstood because of the "homing head", although Klimov said everything correctly
  11. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 30 November 2015 18: 38
    +2
    Well, right! The plane is very expensive and you can’t believe anyone! And cover airplanes are not enough!
  12. Homos
    Homos 30 November 2015 18: 42
    +3
    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    Maybe it would be better to cover them with fighters?

    Let there be fighters to cover. Just as everyone said in an adult way. Now there is a chance of getting into the cabbage soup after a turn, and not a few seconds after the reaction of the fighter and not a couple of minutes before the s-400 missile hits the target. It motivates better not to do unnecessary nonsense
  13. atamankko
    atamankko 30 November 2015 18: 46
    +2
    The decision is right, it cools hot and dull heads.
  14. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 30 November 2015 18: 47
    -6
    we hid a sickly bream from the Turks. And in response, silence and Nato protects his vassals, and we forbade vegetables. But now air is armed with air ... well, cool, but as they say, the sediment remained.
    And it became clear to everyone that you can bite Russia.
  15. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 30 November 2015 18: 48
    +2
    I am embarrassed to ask if today they first flew with air-to-air missiles, then what have they been flying with for the last four days, after the shot down Sushka?
  16. ovod84
    ovod84 30 November 2015 18: 51
    +1
    The good news is that the eye pleases.
  17. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 30 November 2015 18: 52
    +5
    Protection in the air is timely. But now I am afraid of an expanding ground grouping at the border ... How effective is the breakthrough towards our air base? Although it is in this situation that the use of nuclear weapons is quite justified.
    I have high hopes for our intelligence, information on the alleged strike of this group is needed, like air ... In this case, according to our military doctrine, a preventive strike on the cluster would not be out of place ...
    And in this case, air-to-air missiles are even more important, since the advancing enemy will be supported by aviation and missiles.
    Our General Staff will develop EVERYTHING !!! possible scenarios, what is called "still on the shore" ...
  18. Woodman
    Woodman 30 November 2015 18: 53
    +1
    It’s an absolutely correct decision since it turned out that in the Syrian sky for us there is no friendly (except for the Syrian) or at least just neutral aviation ...
  19. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 30 November 2015 18: 53
    0
    I wish I could drive away this stinky drill so that it doesn’t stare.
  20. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 30 November 2015 18: 55
    +2
    Our base is limited in receiving aircraft and, although it is located in a strategically important place, it is also close to the Turkish border. And this is not very good, they take off at the sight of NATO, there is no operational depth for the operations of our aviation and the construction of air defense. from the border (at least one more).
  21. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 30 November 2015 19: 00
    +5
    It is, of course, good that the illusions about "partners" have been dispelled. But, the war ends with the infantry. It seems that the "partners" are going to save ISIS by occupying Syria. The Germans, the British are gathering expeditionary corps, of course "cannon fodder" - the Turks. Now it is not easy for the Syrian army, it will be even more difficult. I hope that our military and politicians are considering countering.
    And what are our allies? Probably not in the know, they are silent. Although not. In Kazakhstan, in Ust-Kamenogorsk, in the small homeland of the deceased pilot O. Peshkov, a rally in his memory was banned.
  22. holod19
    holod19 30 November 2015 19: 00
    +4
    Hello!!!!!
    And here is the news for which I drank a standstill !!!!! soldier The head of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation Army General Sergei Shoigu and Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force, met at the military airfield Chkalovsky (Moscow Region) a plane that delivered the body of the crew commander of the Su-24 Hero of Russia Oleg Peshkov from Syria.

    According to the press service and information department of the Russian Ministry of Defense on Monday, during the flight, in the airspace of the Russian Federation, the plane accompanied an escort of fighters.
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 30 November 2015 19: 08
      +6
      It had to be shown live, this is the hero’s return home!
      A funeral should be worthy!
  23. bad
    bad 30 November 2015 19: 02
    +1
    Initially, it was necessary ... but in general + good
  24. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 30 November 2015 19: 08
    +3
    But you still need to cover the Su-34 with fighters in the air, because due to the armor and a large fuel supply the car is very heavy and in which case in close air combat with light fighters crept up at low altitude, it will remain in a losing position.
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 30 November 2015 19: 23
      +1
      Quote: Skifotavr
      But you still need to cover the Su-34 with fighters in the air, because due to the armor and a large fuel supply the car is very heavy and in which case in close air combat with light fighters crept up at low altitude, it will remain in a losing position.

      War will teach everything. Therefore, there is a saying. For one broken, two not broken give.
  25. prishelec
    prishelec 30 November 2015 19: 10
    +1
    Let the Turks think now ...))
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 30 November 2015 19: 19
      +1
      Quote: prishelec
      Let the Turks think now ...))

      Yes, not only Turks, there are enough suicide bombers.
  26. Yak28
    Yak28 30 November 2015 19: 18
    +1
    Air-to-air missiles and air defense are certainly good. But if someone other than Russia introduces ground troops into Syria, then all our bombings will be in vain. Any NATO army that entered Syria will create a springboard for training "opposition" to Assad, and of course will control part of the territory of the Syrian state, which will not be able to bomb the Russian Aviation, and will not be able to occupy the Syrian army. Further, this piece of land will probably leave Syria forever, like Kosovo in Serbia. So a ground operation of any of the NATO countries will nullify all efforts of the Russian and the Syrian army, and Russia may again be abruptly disgraced. I hope this alignment is being considered at the General Staff
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 30 November 2015 19: 27
      +1
      Quote: Yak28
      But if someone other than Russia enters the ground forces in Syria, then all our bombing will be in vain.

      Let them try ... VKS bombing, this is just a cover! The main work is carried out at the level of special services ...
      1. Just BB
        Just BB 1 December 2015 06: 49
        0
        50 American advisers are already there
    2. Just BB
      Just BB 1 December 2015 06: 48
      0
      For a long time about it ...
      "Victory has many" relatives ", defeat is an orphan!"

      If you don't want to get involved in a ground operation, send "advisers" to every Syrian fighter
  27. hunt
    hunt 30 November 2015 19: 50
    +2
    Quote: Barkhan
    It had to be shown live, this is the hero’s return home!
    A funeral should be worthy!

    Vesti24 - showed.
  28. Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 30 November 2015 19: 59
    +1
    So, because of some hoops, ISIS will receive less than a couple of hundred kg of explosives!
  29. Predator
    Predator 30 November 2015 20: 01
    +9
    You’re like small children, emotional comments, but there’s no logic or analysis of the situation. What if 24 would have accompanied the fighter? Or would you have a couple of fighters hanging in the air And 50? Found 16 (you already saw him), he didn’t cross the border, rockets fired from its territory, 24 already have no response time (so far they would have informed), 16 you couldn’t have shot down on their side of the border without a command from above, and what would you hammer with your tongues then? to block air defense (ship, ground) and shoot down everything that is 10-30 km from the border with Syria?! And even further 30-90 km, flood AWACS, demolish the Turkish radar within a radius of 200 km from the border?! We are with NATO while we’re not fighting and we don’t have the right to take such actions. It’s tacit to roll out a plane, drown a submarine, finish the Turkish president with his family, we can, but there is no clear strike! Or do we have to declare war on Turkey and seize the straits?! So there’s only action on political-economic field and unspoken war (we are not we and not ours are Kurds) .Be realists.
  30. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 30 November 2015 20: 17
    +2
    Erdogan MUST BE DESTROYED.
  31. mvg
    mvg 30 November 2015 20: 43
    +2
    Quote: GSH-18
    Quote: Sterlya
    I think they can torpedo which ship, the more is known at gunpoint "Moscow"

    I doubt very much that "Moscow" is in the Mediterranean in solo voyage! The Black Sea Fleet has four newest multifunctional submarines! And it is not yet known who is hunting who there! good

    Come on. All 4 ??? Did Seryozha Shoigu tell you this?
    As usual, if only to slap in the comments! What does the Black Sea Fleet and the Mediterranean have to do with it? Submarines of the Black Sea Fleet will directly hunt from there for PL 0 of the Turkish project? Let me guess ... mmmm ... probably a caliber ?? Guessed?
    What, quite lazy on the keys to dial the composition of the pennants of the squadron? It’s much easier to look at the box and not to think about anything ... And now there are 80% of them on the forum ... Soon we’ll slide down, like on rambler, and then to the censor is not far ..
    Probably shouting out "answers" during lessons without raising your hand?
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 30 November 2015 20: 52
      +2
      Quote: mvg
      What, quite lazy on the keys to dial the composition of the pennants of the squadron? It’s much easier to look at the box and not to think about anything ... And now there are 80% of them on the forum ... Soon we’ll slide down, like on rambler, and then to the censor is not far ..
      Probably shouting out "answers" during lessons without raising your hand?

      C'mon, so categorically ... If everyone starts whining, then you need to immediately close the site (no offense) ...
      Many emotions hold back .. Here you need to read, not get poked!
    2. Sterlya
      Sterlya 30 November 2015 20: 55
      +4
      Quote: mvg
      Come on. All 4 ??? Did Seryozha Shoigu tell you this?
      As usual, if only to slap in the comments! What does the Black Sea Fleet and the Mediterranean have to do with it? Submarines of the Black Sea Fleet will directly hunt from there for PL 0 of the Turkish project? Let me guess ... mmmm ... probably a caliber ?? Guessed?
      What, quite lazy on the keys to dial the composition of the pennants of the squadron? It’s much easier to look at the box and not to think about anything ... And now there are 80% of them on the forum ... Soon we’ll slide down, like on rambler, and then to the censor is not far ..
      Probably shouting out "answers" during lessons without raising your hand?

      Something, too, began to think so.
      Maybe we will be more serious? Give up hatred?
      And another question. How long will the Russian economy withstand? With Our "economists"? Chubais was hanged? Nemtsov? (oh yes, the same is not a pity, as it does not seem blasphemous to some liberal)
      And so I think all this will benefit. Usually evolve on the edge.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 30 November 2015 21: 20
        +1
        Quote: Sterlya
        And another question. How long will the Russian economy withstand? With Our "economists"? Chubais was hanged? Nemtsov? (oh yes, the same is not a pity, as it does not seem blasphemous to some liberal)
        And so I think all this will benefit. Usually evolve on the edge.

        Yes, we’ll survive for the first time ... But now is not the time to rebel! When was it easy for us to live?
    3. enhansment
      enhansment 30 November 2015 21: 15
      +1
      Quote: mvg
      Quote: GSH-18
      Quote: Sterlya
      I think they can torpedo which ship, the more is known at gunpoint "Moscow"

      I doubt very much that "Moscow" is in the Mediterranean in solo voyage! The Black Sea Fleet has four newest multifunctional submarines! And it is not yet known who is hunting who there! good

      Come on. All 4 ??? Did Seryozha Shoigu tell you this?
      As usual, if only to slap in the comments! What does the Black Sea Fleet and the Mediterranean have to do with it? Submarines of the Black Sea Fleet will directly hunt from there for PL 0 of the Turkish project? Let me guess ... mmmm ... probably a caliber ?? Guessed?
      What, quite lazy on the keys to dial the composition of the pennants of the squadron? It’s much easier to look at the box and not to think about anything ... And now there are 80% of them on the forum ... Soon we’ll slide down, like on rambler, and then to the censor is not far ..
      Probably shouting out "answers" during lessons without raising your hand?

      What are you talking about, ah ah ah. In the next topic they "proved" to me that in addition to the submarines, there are 4 more of our destroyers (there are only 2 combat-ready 1000 km from Syria) "Moscow" is covered ...
      1. mvg
        mvg 30 November 2015 21: 42
        -1
        Che, straight "proved", and grabbed the breasts? belay
        Quiet horror.
        A couple in the Baltic, and "Bystry" serve at the Pacific Fleet .. The rest are canned food. Not the most successful project. But all the same, their hearts are with him (with the guards cruiser Moscow)!
        Yes, we’ll survive for the first time ... But now is not the time to rebel! When was it easy for us to live?

        "Meehan", you, excuse me, did not find 90 years? Oil at $ 18 per barrel? RFP 2 times a year, Chinese "Great Wall" stew and empty shops ..?
        Probably already used to the Internet, a sofa, a full refrigerator .. Holidays in Turkey ..
        Want to "back to the future", part 4? In this case, the director will no longer be Spielberg, but someone less fantastic, but more prosaic.
        I don’t know how to explain and whether everyone will understand .. But it turns out that my country, which I have always been proud of (that I was born and lived in it), with frightening periodicity dips (did not find another word) its people in "kovno ". It's about the economy. 1998 - dollar (crisis), 2008 - crisis, 2014 - crisis .. And these are not all dates ..
        Don't you think that we are going to fight against the whole world again? Even now our "friends" do not support us .. (ATS for example) Latest news: China with Turkey, Kazakhstan! and Armenia !!! agreed to bypass Russia to supply products to Europe .. Here ..
        PS: And our "marshals" (hello to the cosmodrome :-)), as in the film: Everything is fine, beautiful marquise ..
        1. enhansment
          enhansment 30 November 2015 22: 01
          +1
          They didn't just say "There they are and that's it!"
          Fast and "Admiral Ushakov" remained, "Restless" is in the line for Modernization and its combat readiness is questionable.
        2. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 30 November 2015 22: 08
          +3
          Quote: mvg
          "Meehan", you, excuse me, did not find 90 years? Oil at $ 18 per barrel? RFP 2 times a year, Chinese "Great Wall" stew and empty shops ..?

          Alas, I found the very peak and a little earlier ... God forbid, still survive this! And you are obviously a liberal, here you are swinging the "boat" ..)))? Oh well...
          1. Manul
            Manul 1 December 2015 16: 12
            0
            Quote: MIKHAN
            And you are obviously a liberal, here you are swinging the "boat" ..)))? Oh well.

            Looks like it. Or a pro.
  32. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 30 November 2015 21: 00
    +1
    People! What is it about seriously argue?
    What are we crazy about the Turks?
    Do you think that jackals of NATO will not harness for a puppy - Erdogada?
    Yes, they sleep and see in order to find a reasonable excuse (provocation) to strike at us - in Russia!
    Then they will write off to the Turks (if there is anyone to write off) ...
    Of course, Erdogan must be punished and brought to justice before the tribunal as a war criminal! This is unconditional!
    But it is not worth declaring to the whole world, as, for example, a fat man "right now, we'll get everyone out," and there the grass won't grow ...
    Personally, I am scared for my family and my children ... I need to be a complete nerd to look for a military solution to the conflict ....
    How do you want to make a mistake ...
  33. NeRTT
    NeRTT 30 November 2015 21: 01
    0
    Well, the time has come for us to "rattle" our weapons under Perdogan's nose .. soldier He’s so nervous .. oh .. belay - unbelieving ... oh .. negative ..- bezmeryanny !! In !!! lol
  34. nogBogHuk
    nogBogHuk 30 November 2015 21: 08
    0
    Ankara is preparing a massive invasion of Syria
    This Washington regional committee gave them the go-ahead.
  35. sanya0974
    sanya0974 30 November 2015 21: 12
    0
    who is in the subject, tell me, is there a reverse start function (in the rear hemisphere) on the SU-34? when developing the SU-35, this topic was worked out for the R-73. It would be very good for protecting the back
    1. enhansment
      enhansment 30 November 2015 21: 18
      +1
      Quote: sanya0974
      who is in the subject, tell me, is there a reverse start function (in the rear hemisphere) on the SU-34? when developing the SU-35, this topic was worked out for the R-73. It would be very good for protecting the back

      Abandoned her
  36. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 30 November 2015 21: 14
    0
    Happily, according to Euronews, it was reported that the countries of the European Union will consider the issue of paying compensation to Turkey for Russian sanctions. Well, if so, then the trade with the Turks must be closed tightly - and the sponsors will compensate everything. Well, at least in words
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 30 November 2015 21: 17
      +1
      Quote: Pilot Bin Bom
      Happily, according to Euronews, it was reported that the countries of the European Union will consider the issue of paying compensation to Turkey for Russian sanctions. Well, if so, then the trade with the Turks must be closed tightly - and the sponsors will compensate everything. Well, at least in words

      Qatar and Saudi Arabia for another two days as stated that all losses due to sanctions, Turkey will be reimbursed. hi
  37. ilgiz82
    ilgiz82 30 November 2015 21: 29
    0
    There was a rumor that our SU 35C was transferred to Syria. Is this true or not?
  38. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 30 November 2015 21: 32
    +1
    Quote: Alexandr2637
    You need to be a complete nerd to look for a military solution to the conflict ....

    Napoleon and Hitler also hoped for it ... But alas! We in Russia solved this problem nevertheless, in exactly this way, although we hoped to the last in Russian (maybe it will carry ..) hi Now Syria is Russia (on distant frontiers, like Afghanistan in Soviet times) We’ll run away, they’ll come to our cities ...! Choose gentlemen ... hi
    1. mvg
      mvg 30 November 2015 21: 50
      +1
      What have we achieved in afghanistan? They laid down 50 of their soldiers, a lot of money, pissed off half of the Muslim world, and, 000 years later, ingloriously left it. Thanks to another good general that came out without big losses ..
      Just like pintos now .. step on the same rake.
      Somehow you (Meehan) are all in a bunch .. and Hitler and Napoleon (at least you normally know the story, how, because of what ..) and the Afghan mixed ..
      And aggression against us, and our deployment of troops ..
      Nothing that Russia and Napoleon and Hitler at one time were allies? Maybe after all, well, his nafik is this TV, and you read smart books? And not necessarily "Grade 9 Algebra"
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 30 November 2015 21: 58
        +4
        Quote: mvg
        Maybe after all, well, his nafik is this TV, and you read smart books? And not necessarily "Grade 9 Algebra"

        Be simpler .. And you don’t need to put yourself above others! I knew a lot here ... Just advice, from the heart! hi
        1. mvg
          mvg 30 November 2015 22: 22
          0
          It’s much easier, I don’t even put on a tie .. And to read before, on a normal forum, it just bothers .. It is necessary for "hurray ..." to have a separate branch ..
          Have you noticed the composition of the branches? Where, so to speak, "works", a bunch of "urapatriots", there will be neither Bongo, nor Falcon, nor Sixtin, nor Professor, Voyak. Uh, occasionally, Opus will not be, the Lord of the Sith will not be .., MegaDot occasionally ... and many others (missed a bunch) of adequate users. But there will be Baikonurs, Mikhans, Gsh-18s, Pallas' cats, Nexuses, Peku-18, Vekshi, etc., which will prove with foam at the mouth that black is white and vice versa ..
          And also, that Mother Russia will punish everyone and tear the asshole ..
          At 41 we already faced: "in foreign territory, with little blood, we will wash everyone ...", and as a result, 20 million lives, for debunking this myth .. And then, I think, the situation was more interesting for us ..
          PS: Or maybe a book? hi And people reach for you?
          1. AdekvatNICK
            AdekvatNICK 30 November 2015 22: 32
            0
            I shake my hand, too, patriotic cripples got a cheer. Inadequate. Add them to the black list. Such deer, in fact, need to be banned. Any news is a comment about our exclusiveness. Mihan is the most stubborn by the way. This is the level to which hardly anyone will be tenacious. chance to get there.
          2. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 30 November 2015 22: 43
            +2
            Quote: mvg
            PS: Or maybe a book? hi And people and reach for you?

            I listen to the echo and rain .. and something familiar intonation flickers ..))) I like you can smell right away! laughing (with a beard, probably curly and an earring in his ear))))) bully I can’t laugh all ... wassat
            1. mvg
              mvg 30 November 2015 22: 59
              0
              black dash blue shirt, sometimes a tie, pants, boots. neither earrings nor tattoos ..
              I can dig, I can not dig. :-)
              and you need to read books. Father Lenin was right in some way ... about learning.
              I like you can smell right away!

              it's me, excuse me, I probably dressed yesterday's socks .. right after the gym .. repeat rarely, but it happens .. I did not think that you can "smell" the wires. guilty!
              1. Vitaly Anisimov
                Vitaly Anisimov 30 November 2015 23: 05
                +2
                Quote: mvg
                black dash blue shirt, sometimes a tie, pants, boots. neither earrings nor tattoos ..
                I can dig, I can not dig. :-)
                and you need to read books. Father Lenin was right in some way ... about learning.
                I like you can smell right away!

                it's me, excuse me, I probably dressed yesterday's socks .. right after the gym .. repeat rarely, but it happens .. I did not think that you can "smell" the wires. guilty!

                And yet, I'm right, even you have one-on-one jokes with the EAS (Washington) .. You have read our))))) Continue, I'm interested in watching you when your poison ends .. Do not overdo it, or else choke can! laughing
                1. mvg
                  mvg 30 November 2015 23: 30
                  +1
                  radio - just a chanson, but I don’t watch TV .. for a year now, about .. wink
                  it means a joke, so I think I saw it somewhere before .. or just socks inspired ...
                  Have you seen the movie "The Fockers Family" with Roberto De Niro?
                  - I'm watching you .. I recommend looking at night .. Without poison ..
                  PS: Occasionally you can instead of a book .. But do not bury yourself !!!! Learning is above all. And then in life you will often look, as if to say softer .. inadequate. And in a decent company, there will be nothing to say .. Well, except: I looked at Euronews yesterday .. and hereinafter.
                  Free advice, by the way .. Use it.
    2. DAYMAN
      DAYMAN 1 December 2015 06: 26
      0
      Syria reminds me more of Spain 1936-1939
  39. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 30 November 2015 21: 37
    -1
    everyone is so happy ..... we’re cool .... but they still made a plane for us, we didn’t see that we were so cool. and we wiped ourselves out .... we forbid vegetables. rejoice.
  40. alexx7
    alexx7 30 November 2015 22: 13
    +1
    Yet there was an incident with a cookie, it was the Su-24 that was shot down not 25,34. But there was an article in VO that rumors could not be. It can be seen strongly we have lowered the Americans. Victory will be ours.
  41. Mestny
    Mestny 1 December 2015 00: 59
    -1
    Quote: Sterlya
    So, in principle, the Su-24 should not be shot down either. And I think these will be looking where weakly. The sky will not ride already, although the S-300-400 did not participate in real combat, so far, it makes a rustle.

    Before the downed SU, Turkey was considered, if not an ally, then a partner. Accordingly, they did not expect this and did not prepare.
    Now the situation is somewhat different.
  42. Edvid
    Edvid 1 December 2015 02: 55
    0
    When attacking from the tail, the Su-24 is still defenseless, even if it is armed with V-V missiles.
  43. spolo
    spolo 1 December 2015 04: 11
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: Pilot Bin Bom
    Happily, according to Euronews, it was reported that the countries of the European Union will consider the issue of paying compensation to Turkey for Russian sanctions. Well, if so, then the trade with the Turks must be closed tightly - and the sponsors will compensate everything. Well, at least in words

    Qatar and Saudi Arabia for another two days as stated that all losses due to sanctions, Turkey will be reimbursed. hi

    Mozh and it was a multi-port of the Turks. How to fuck dough and respect.
    1. DAYMAN
      DAYMAN 1 December 2015 06: 21
      0
      Time will tell - who will have someone .....
  44. Wolka
    Wolka 1 December 2015 05: 38
    0
    in general, they don’t wave their fists after the fight, it should have been provided for initially, the fact, now besides the missile defense means, there must be the presence of electronic warfare systems for the electronic warfare and this is necessary again, the Turks in their image flirted in earnest, but they sing along from impotence, in the event of a repetition of the attack, Russia's response must be even stronger and uncompromising with the clear goal of peace enforcement ...
  45. DAYMAN
    DAYMAN 1 December 2015 06: 19
    0
    We are waiting for all the tourists to leave Turkey ....

    "You go to Turkey as a tourist - you help terrorists!"
  46. magician
    magician 1 December 2015 07: 55
    0
    it would be nice to start joint exercises with the French at sea. there are two Turkish submarines not far away. Run bombs, torpedoes and artillery on targets.
  47. azesm
    azesm 1 December 2015 11: 50
    0
    A look at the future of Syria without pink glasses and propaganda:
    http://historyndex.com/page-history/rasshirenie--2--/