Su-34 in Syria began to arm air-to-air missiles

Today, Russian Su-34s took off for the first time from the airfield of the Khmeimim base not only with bombs, but also with air-to-air missiles, reports RIA News Message from the representative of the VKS Igor Klimov

According to him, “Russian Su-34 fighter-bombers today for the first time flew on a mission not only with aviation OFAB-500 bombs and KAB-500 guided aerial bombs, but also with short- and medium-range air-to-air missiles.

Klimov explained that "The planes are equipped with missiles for defense."

He noted that "the missiles are equipped with homing heads and are capable of hitting air targets at a distance of up to 60 kilometers."

The Russian command took such a step after a Turkish fighter jet shot down a Su-6 over Syrian territory 24 days ago.

Comments

[moskowit]

Correct solution!

[vodolaz]

That's right, now everyone will ask us for permission to fly over Syria.

[jjj]

A bomber with the capabilities of a fighter is a clear demonstration of the correct development of Russian aviation

[crazyrom]

That would be a disgrace for the Turks (and for the mattresses) if their best fighter was shot down by a bomber!

[aksakal]

Quote: crazyrom

That would be a disgrace for the Turks (and for the mattresses) if their best fighter was shot down by a bomber!

- so it is not quite a bomber, it was created on the basis of the SU-27 fighter, the glider with minor changes, the engines are almost the same. The burrows of the fighter remained for sure, so for the F-16 it is a very dangerous rival, albeit a bomber

[Vorobey-1]

began to arm missiles "air-to-air"

Long overdue!
ps until the thunder breaks out, man don't cross hair

[Samaritan]

A little late, video with air-to-air missiles:

[Botanologist]

These opportunities have been embodied in Western aircraft since the 70's. Let the front-line bomber remain, and the multifunctional SU-30 in their destitute live long and productively.

[Sivan]

The Su-34 was originally designed as a fighter-bomber, not just a bomber. He can stand up for himself, which means that less Su-30 is needed at the Khmeimim base, i.e. there will be more drummers.

[Maj.]

They will not. They have a scant that there is no answer to provocations and will become impudent. The best remedy is a tangible adequate response to provocations.

[garik191]

All our tourists will disperse and begin by praying ....

[garik191]

All our tourists will disperse and begin by praying ....

[Sterlya]

Apparently, the roof of the Turks was completely blown away. Here you can already expect everything.
No matter how provocation was at sea. I think they can torpedo which ship, the more it is known at gunpoint "Moskva". I think we need to introduce emergency anti-submarine defense measures. Do not wait for the next rooster to bite?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Sterlya

all the more known at gunpoint "Moscow"

As well as their airfields and ships ... and Moscow is not such an easy target. While the Turks are getting close to him, he may well meet an adversary on distant approaches.

[Sterlya]

Quote: NEXUS

As well as their airfields and ships ... and Moscow is not such an easy target. While the Turks are getting close to him, he may well meet an adversary on distant approaches.

So, in principle, the Su-24 should not be shot down either. And I think these will look where it is weak. The sky will not ride already, although the S-300-400 did not participate in real combat, WHILE, it makes a rustle.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Sterlya

So, in principle, the Su-24 should not be shot down either. And I think these will look where it is weak. The sky will not ride already, although the S-300-400 did not participate in real combat, WHILE, it makes a rustle.

Let them look ... even if they find it, the answer will not be the same as when the bomber crashed. To be honest, I would have pulled Iskander to Armenia closer to the Turkish border in order to keep the Turks by the causal place tighter.

[Sterlya]

Quote: NEXUS

Let them look ... even if they find it, the answer will not be the same as when the bomber crashed. To be honest, I would have pulled Iskander to Armenia closer to the Turkish border in order to keep the Turks by the causal place tighter.

Probably yes, so that they know what's what. Here even their very presence in Armenia will also get on the nerves of the Turks.
The Kurds asked V. Putin for medicines, bandages and medical equipment. Need help. Surely!

[aksakal]

Quote: NEXUS

To be honest, I would have brought Iskander to Armenia, closer to the Turkish border, in order to hold the Turks for a causal place more tightly.

- Yesterday we discussed the news - everything is tip-top in Armenia, it will be necessary! If the Turks rush to Syria, a cold cooling shower will go from Armenia

[Vasek]

Quote: aksakal

If the Turks rush to Syria - it is from Armenia that a cold, cooling shower will go

Wow, the Armenians have been waiting for this moment for over 100 years!
It’s time to return Mount Ararat from the cognac label to the map of Armenia, and half the Turkey belonged to the Armenians from time immemorial.

[Talgat]

Remembered anecdote about Stalin

The Turks sent a protest to Stalin - why is Mount Ararat depicted on the coat of arms of the Armenian SSR, although it is not located on the territory of Armenia

Stalin replied - You have the Moon on your flag - but the moon is not part of Turkey:

[veksha50]

Quote: Sterlya

So, in principle, the Su-24 should not be shot down either.

The Su-24 did not have weapons capable of withstanding an attacking fighter ...

Su-24 went without cover ...

And, in the end, the guys on the Su-24, even in their thoughts, did not allow this treacherous attack !!!

[Sterlya]

Quote: veksha50

The Su-24 did not have weapons capable of withstanding an attacking fighter ...

Su-24 went without cover ...

And, in the end, the guys on the Su-24, even in their thoughts, did not allow this treacherous attack !!!

All this is understandable. And rumors have already leaked that there were warnings that the Turks were going to shoot down our plane, the reconnaissance also did not work.
So this is a curl, "friendly" country.
The time without wars relaxed the Russian State. There are Jews, Always on the alert. And I'm sure to hell who would have caught them at the moment on such a "friendship."

[Maj.]

In war one must foresee everything conceivable and inconceivable and not relax.

[Rom14]

Also in the war! And here it seems like they thought biathlon ...

[Sterlya]

Quote: major

In war one must foresee everything conceivable and inconceivable and not relax.

Here I am about it. War is war.
Europe has always been rallied by the Naglo-Saxons against Russia. In principle, no matter how offensive it will be to the Germans, (perhaps the only Great Nation in Europe) they have always been a watchdog among the Naglosaks. (by way of intricacies that are not understandable for the Germans) The Germans are just in some way similar to us. Therefore, for the Naglosak people, it is a nightmare; it is friendship between Russia and Germany.

[Just BB]

Maybe enough about "friendship"
This Fedya and Petya can be friends or with Hans, for example ...
"Cooperation on the basis of mutual interests", otherwise we have already "made friends" with some

[g1v2]

By the way, I shouldn't have argued with the ancients for money. Well, just 2 weeks ago, I said that ours can use Shayrat as a second base. And today a Kuwaiti newspaper reported that there is an agreement on the transfer of Shayrat for the needs of our videoconferencing.
Quote. “The source explained:“ Al-Shayrat, east of Homs, is the best choice for accommodating newly arriving warplanes. Russia has demanded that the joint group (Hezbollah, Iraqi militias and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps) regain control of al-Qaratein and Palmyra. to knock out IS from there in order to expand the security perimeter around the second Russian airbase. "
And now an offensive is underway near Palmyra and from Mahin to al-Karatein.
So it looks like our air group will grow.

[ilya_oz]

The cruiser Moscow has weak anti-submarine capabilities.

[sssla]

Quote: NEXUS

. While the Turks will be close to him.

I did not understand that the war was declared to Russia ???

[PQ-18]

I did not understand that the war was declared to Russia ???

yes, unspoken ... and, for a long time!

[Sterlya]

Quote: PQ-18

I did not understand that the war was declared to Russia ???

yes, unspoken ... and, for a long time!

300 years ago ... (and no one canceled)

[agent russia]

according to Zhirik 450 years ago

[V.ic]

Quote: sssla

I did not understand that the war was declared to Russia ???

It would be better if they asked another question: when did Russia live in peace? I would answer that only under Alexander III the Peacemaker.

[Rom14]

But after all, they somehow got close to the Su-24 (super apparatus), why did the flyers not see that they were being shot at point-blank range ??? I don't understand a damn thing ...

[Vasek]

Quote: Rom14

Su-24 (super unit)

They say the most emergency in our VKS. Yes, and he has a lot of years.
Su-34 hesitate to attack, damn it ...

[Just BB]

Rom14
But after all, they somehow got close to the Su-24 (super apparatus), why did the flyers not see that they were being shot at point-blank range ??? I don't understand a damn thing ...

Vasek
They say the most emergency in our VKS. Yes, and he has a lot of years.
Su-34 hesitate to attack, damn it ...

Will you see in the car that someone is following you 3-5 km away?
Would turn up 34 and get hit

[GSH-18]

Quote: Sterlya

I think they can torpedo which ship, the more it is known at gunpoint "Moskva"

I doubt very much that "Moscow" is in the Mediterranean in solo voyage! The Black Sea Fleet has four newest multifunctional submarines! And it is not yet known who is hunting who there!

[Sterlya]

Quote: GSH-18

I doubt very much that "Moscow" is in the Mediterranean in solo voyage! The Black Sea Fleet has four newest multifunctional submarines! And it is not yet known who is hunting who there! good

God grant it. God forbid! War is War. Anything can happen.

[tlauicol]

at the Black Sea Fleet now not a single boat is in service, except for "Rostov" (in mind). Turks have 14

[GSH-18]

Quote: Tlauicol

at the Black Sea Fleet now not a single boat is in service, except for "Rostov" (in mind). Turks have 14

And we can take an interest before you write a gag ???

[tlauicol]

take an interest before throwing your hats - everything is under repair or completion in the north

[soviet skytourist]

Apparently, the roof of the Turks was completely blown away. Here you can already expect everything

Ankara used a "trump card": Turkey began to block Russian military ships


Ankara used a "trump card": Turkey began to block Russian military ships

Media reports that Turkey’s words about a response to Moscow’s sanctions have become a reality. The data of the automatic identification system of ships confirm that Ankara has begun a blockade of Russian military ships: only Turkish ships move along the Bosphorus, there is no movement through the Dardanelles. try with Russian blood, and the Turks will play the role of a fighter with a threat from the east. the old scenario, and the actors are the same - remember 331014

[Rock616]

I agree with you about the demolished roof after the Most Simple refused to talk to Churkaman, but as for "Moscow" you are right, you need to adjust "Peter the Great" there so that the monkeys don't get into bad thoughts!

[Don]

There is nothing for Great Petya to do in this puddle. It was created for completely different purposes - it is a ship for large ocean battles. You can’t lose it in any case. Answer anything - Iskander, Caliber, ALCM, Sushki, Carcass, but the flagship of the fleet must be kept for amers.

[good7]

ICBMs cool the head cool even among the mentally ill who like to slaughter sheep!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Sterlya

emergency anti-submarine defense measures need to be introduced

Yes, it would be advisable to send anti-submarine ships there.

[Lord of the Sith]

On TV they showed how the body of the downed hero, pilot Oleg Peshkov, was met. Shoigu personally met the board at the airport.

[dyksi]

Heavenly kingdom to him, here is the video.

[Samaritan]

New MiG-29UB (product 9-53).
Models of the R-73 are suspended under the wing.
November 2015 year.

[Vikings]

Quote: moskowit

Correct solution!

If only a week earlier, the priceless ones would have been saved
life of our pilot and marine!

[Denis Obukhov]

Our ducks have such a harmless and peaceful look, the most gentle plane.

[PQ-18]

Our ducks have such a harmless and peaceful look, the most gentle plane.

well, just "Uchi-Paths"!

[79807420129]

It's high time, now the pederastgan and other sixes will think three times before committing provocations.

[Tor5]

In principle, knowing the attitude towards us and our operation in Syria, it was possible and necessary to do this Before, and not After ...

[Darkoff]

It's high time, of course!
I wonder if the bomb payload will go down? Or are the suspensions used for bombs and missiles?

[Nick]

Quote: DarkOFF

It's high time, of course!
I wonder if the bomb payload will go down? Or are the suspensions used for bombs and missiles?

The total combat load is 8 tons. Above this, the aircraft will not take, be it air-to-air missiles, be it means of fighting ground targets, be both in any proportion, regardless of the number of suspensions

[operrus]

The fact of the matter is, if the Turks have fewer bombs, then washing them so that they won’t be able to bomb less needles is interesting, the opinion of experts is interesting on how effective drying 34 is against fighter f 15, 16.

[enhancement]

I'm not special. It is necessary to look at which of the Turks are f16 and f15.
But as for me, if you believe our offs. information (which can not always be trusted), then the chances are much higher than that of the Soviet-assembled Su27, due to the much more powerful radar and KREB, it is not particularly hard to believe in maneuverable close combat. Although here su 34 is not bad, if without bombs.
It is important under what circumstances, if the Turks again set up an ambush, and ours are relaxed, then they will shoot down.
+ The Turks have an advantage, they have ground-based radars.
Conclusion: Depends on the attendant factors, there is every chance over neutral territory.

[Sterlya]

Quote: enhansment

I'm not special. It is necessary to look at which of the Turks are f16 and f15.
But as for me, if you believe our offs. information (which can not always be trusted), then the chances are much higher than that of the Soviet-assembled Su27, due to the much more powerful radar and KREB, it is not particularly hard to believe in maneuverable close combat. Although here su 34 is not bad, if without bombs.
It is important under what circumstances, if the Turks again set up an ambush, and ours are relaxed, then they will shoot down.
+ The Turks have an advantage, they have ground-based radars.
Conclusion: Depends on the attendant factors, there is every chance over neutral territory.

And so to break your head, if there is a warning in advance, the load can be thrown off to the extreme. If any Turk attacks, do not care. But what about the S-400? Yes, let him have time to go deeper into his territory, with a reserve of a couple of missiles they will catch up.

[enhancement]

If there is an alert and the Su 34 are equipped with KREBs (I hope they were equipped these days), then yes. With 400 this is a different question, moreover, apparently now there will be provocations in the sea.

[sssla]

Quote: enhansment

+ Turks have an advantage

For your information, these turbans also have mattress help !!!

[enhancement]

Quote: sssla

Quote: enhansment

+ Turks have an advantage

For your information, these turbans also have mattress help !!!

Truth? I never thought the United States could do that. After all, Obama is a Peace Prize Laureate!

[Maj.]

Are you or is it a joke?

[Sterlya]

Quote: enhansment

After all, Obama is a Peace Prize Laureate!

Then I am an Angel! And I keep wondering why the shoulders itch, probably the wings are growing

[PQ-18]

The Turks have an advantage, they have ground-based radars.

but, is the Russian base of the Aerospace Forces and the air defense group .. WITHOUT radar support work ?!

[enhancement]

Quote: PQ-18

The Turks have an advantage, they have ground-based radars.

but, is the Russian base of the Aerospace Forces and the air defense group .. WITHOUT radar support work ?!

Apparently without. Right now, it's clear with 400 there is, and then I don't know how his radar can direct our fighter to the target or not, and how information is exchanged between them? Here you need to understand, or listen to the opinions of a knowledgeable person.

[78bor1973]

The Turkish F-16s don't even have a lot of chances against the Su-27!

[Just BB]

So not on "revolvers" (cannons) fight.
And with missiles - who used to

[donavi49]

No, in the sense that 4 bombs fly empty, this is the maximum, and so they fly regularly with 2 KABs. Therefore, the real, that is, the applied load will not suffer.

Another question will help? Even scare away? After all, a cover fighter must cut off, irradiate with radar and threaten on the air. EW can also catch the Su-34 in navigation / ground work mode and emerge with a set from the shadow of the mountain and shoot down with Sayd / AMRAAM. In fact, a cover fighter will not replace this. Only when one performs BZ, and the second monitors the air situation and searches for an airborne radar - only then can we talk about real chances to cut off the emerging Turks.

[veksha50]

Quote: donavi49

Only when one performs BZ, and the second monitors the air situation and searches for radar

So it seems that ours have already abandoned single flights ... More precisely, from flights without fighter cover ...

[ilya_oz]

Judging by the video and photographic materials, the Su-34s fly with by no means their maximum bomb load.

[sever.56]

The toys are over ...
In the skies of Syria, everything that can only threaten our aircraft, even hypothetically, will be destroyed. Everyone to sit still !!!

[Throw]

Itched for 6 days ...

[sever.56]

Quote: Lance

Itched for 6 days ..

You think so? There is still no such technical means to move loads over a distance of thousands of kilometers at the speed of light! Be realistic.

[Throw]

Realist ?! Then they scratched for TWO MONTHS!
Explosive missiles from the beginning of the operation should have been there!
Not mlyn, as if we were going to the aviadarts ..

[sever.56]

Quote: Lance

Then they scratched for TWO MONTHS!

What were scratching for TWO MONTHS, as you say ???
For two months we hammered ISIS both in the tail and in the mane as best we could. During this time, the damage was caused to the terrorists by an order of magnitude more than the troops of the so-called. "coalitions".
Another thing is that there was a certain agreement with this "coalition", at least about some kind of information exchange, and we did not expect a fatal blow from the Turkish aviation, because it is, as it were, a member of the "anti-terrorist coalition." Now everything has fallen into place and we know that threats can be expected from any direction. Our response will be appropriate.
PS An immodest question: - You did not graduate from the Zhukovsky Military Aviation Academy, and, subsequently, the Academy of the General Staff, in order to make such peremptory decisions?

[Sterlya]

Quote: Lance

Realist ?! Then they scratched for TWO MONTHS!
Explosive missiles from the beginning of the operation should have been there!
Not mlyn, as if we were going to the aviadarts ..

We haven't fought for so long. What troops were there at the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, and at the end?

[Throw]

For 70 years, the type of memory recaptured?

It's a pity that 8/8/8 didn't refresh her generals ..

A month later, you see, they will "remember" about "Khibiny" too ..

[Sterlya]

Quote: Lance

For 70 years, the type of memory recaptured?

It's a pity that 8/8/8 didn't refresh her generals ..

A month later, you see, they will "remember" about "Khibiny" too ..

8/8/8 really showed everything, although the whole west was waiting for it to be even worse. (otherwise they would not have been attacked)

[Throw]

8/8/8 reminded that war is a big mess, and they can plant it from anywhere.
And it is good that the Khibiny be installed on the cars not after of how someone (God forbid!) is planted with a missile from the RGSN ..

[Throw]

Sever.56
PS An immodest question: - You did not graduate from the Zhukovsky Military Aviation Academy, and, subsequently, the Academy of the General Staff, in order to make such peremptory decisions?

I graduated from the Higher School of Economics, but even there they know that a rocket is TWO orders of magnitude cheaper than an airplane!
Just kidding

We are air defensemen.
Therefore, the weapons and tactics of using aviation (both ours and not ours) also passed. And I'll tell you more, in areas where it is possible to use air defense systems, aircraft need to carry not only explosive missiles, but also anti-missile missiles. Schaub boulo. + Electronic warfare.
Yes, the bomb load is decreasing, but ours are not particularly strained there.

And also note the gratifying fact that my fellow economists BTA was dragged and deployed there in 400 days! And this, you know, is not to attach a rocket under the wing ...

[sever.56]

Quote: Lance

I graduated from HSE

HSE ...? Is this the one founded by Gaidar, Chubais and others like them? This is "three times ACADEMICIAN OF ALL POSSIBLE SCIENCES Nadezhdin taught you and now" shines "on all talk shows of Russian TV, finely and quietly transferring the same patterns from show to show: -" Russia is not right, " Ukrainian people "," we have nothing to do in Syria "," the price of the life of a Russian soldier "," freedom of truckers "???
Then everything is clear ... And never again try to judge what you have little understanding. What teachers are, so are students ...

[Throw]

Bliin ...
North. Do you understand the jokes? Especially when it is written "joke"?
Or do you have a CHY torpedo pinched?

[sever.56]

Quote: Lance

Or do you have a CHY torpedo pinched?

I'm fine with CHU. And you, apparently, do not really have the slightest idea what a torpedo is, and you catch it out of place. I’m not saying that the adding machine fell on your head if you write what I don’t share ...
I was simply hooked by your words: - "Itched for 6 days", "For 70 years the memory has beaten off", "It is a pity that 8/8/8 did not refresh it for the generals" ...
Well, everything is almost like a carbon copy. The dean of some HSE faculty, Nadezhdin, says the same thing at every talk show, but only the audience to which he broadcasts is slightly higher than yours, and say the same very nasty things. I understand the technology of such "broadcasting" - "you look, someone will think about my words" - "what a short-sighted and bad our leadership and generals ... Here, they sent people to a foreign side, to certain death. Without cover, without sensible airfield protection, almost the same collapse as at the beginning of the Second World War ... "
Broadcast further, but, I think, people who know how to distinguish where there are sincere words, and where is a petty dirty trick pursuing big goals, are the majority.

[veksha50]

Quote: sever.56

Everyone to sit still !!!

Better to lie ... with ... calm ...

[alex74nur]

The good news is that the Ottomans will think three times before breaking Syria’s airspace.

[V.ic]

Quote: alex74nur

now the Ottomans will think three times before violating Syrian airspace.

You think so? This is because you have brains in your head! And the Turks, most likely, they are in the opposite place.

[silverwolf88]

You need to be prepared for any meanness from our potential friends ... missiles are just in the subject ...

[Mera joota]

Those. again without cover ... From the Su-34 fighter like a bullet from manure, what are the Su-30 doing there?

[ZAV69]

24 and 25 covers, obviously it is necessary to strengthen the grouping

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Mera Joota

What are the Su-30 doing there?

At the initial stage of the operation, it was reported that they were being used as scouts and repeaters.

[_my opinion]

Quote: Mera Joota

Those. again without cover ... From the Su-34 fighter like a bullet from manure, what are the Su-30 doing there?

No cover? and the S-400 does not count ... minus is not mine ...

[Mera joota]

Quote: _my opinion

No cover? and the S-400 does not count ..

On such a terrain, there is not much sense from the S-400, the mountains get in the way.

[Throw]

+
A-50 must be used.
And don't forget to cover it up too!

[78bor1973]

In close maneuvering combat, it is somewhat heavy, but it can give some fighters a head start! Do not forget what it was based on, the aerodynamics are almost the same!

[Mera joota]

Quote: 78bor1973

In close maneuvering combat, it is somewhat heavy

He is not very far away either. Weak radar and non-native engines make him a useless fighter. The absence of an OLS reduces the potential of the R-73, which is also not encouraging in close combat ...

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Mera Joota

He is not very far away either. Weak radar and non-native engines make him a useless fighter.

Normal radar there:
View range to air targets (with RCS equal to 3 m120): XNUMX km
Escort: up to 10 targets simultaneously
Fire: up to 4 targets simultaneously
View range for ground targets: 30-100 km
KREP: Khibiny
With regard to the situation in Syria, target designation can also be given by ground-based S-400 radars.

[Andrey VOV]

SU-34 will make the F-16 Turkish like a god to a turtle ... read the review on the state of the Turkish air force and the question about shit and the bullet will disappear by itself

[Manul]

Quote: Andrey VOV

SU-34 will make the F-16 Turkish like a god to a turtle ... read the review on the state of the Turkish air force and the question about shit and the bullet will disappear by itself

Well, first of all, the review of the review is different - if you read the shapkozakidatelskie patriotic articles of sofa experts. then we can start a war tomorrow against all of NATO (but what is there - the world - everything is falling apart for them, and we are all superb and besides, we have electronic warfare that can do anything), and win the war in a week.
And secondly - you would listen to the opinion of donavi49 - the person is clearly in the subject and is not talking about aviation on the side.
How do you imagine the Su-34 will do the F-16, which will go to its tail, and our Sushka still has bombs on its suspensions? And for example, on a combat course, and with an unfulfilled combat mission?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Manul

How do you imagine the Su-34 will do the F-16, which will go to its tail, and our Sushka still has bombs on its suspensions?

It would be interesting for me to see how the 34th will let the F-16 go into its own tail, seeing it at distant approaches and having longer-range missiles ... In addition, I suppose one of the 34 will be a cover and most likely not will be hung with a large bomb load.

[Manul]

Quote: NEXUS

It would be interesting for me to see how the 34th will let the F-16 go into its own tail, seeing it at distant approaches and having longer-range missiles ... In addition, I suppose one of the 34 will be a cover and most likely not will be hung with a large bomb load.

Do we have missiles that can be launched into the rear hemisphere? (If the Su-34 is still one) And the Su-34 flew in pairs, or will they start now? But does it make sense to send the 34th as a fighter, why then are thirty needed? (I understand that there are only 4 of them, so more is needed)
PS Read Newfox's comment on 19.03. Basically the answer to all my questions.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Manul

And the Su-34 flew in pairs, or will they start now?

I suppose they already started, after the sabotage with our bomber.

Quote: Manul

But does it make sense to send the 34th as a fighter, why then are thirty needed? (I understand that there are only 4 of them, so more is needed)

Because it takes time to build up the fighter group, and the fighters themselves ... for each bomber you need a pair of fighters, or at least one, so count how many cover fighters we need for those 4th 30s ... visibility, but it is necessary to carry out the operations. In addition, there is also a cover for the S-400s, so, I think, not everything is so bad.

[Manul]

Quote: NEXUS

Because it takes time to build up the fighter group, and the fighters themselves ... for each bomber you need a pair of fighters, or at least one, so count how many cover fighters we need for those 4th 30s ... visibility, but it is necessary to carry out the operations. In addition, there is also a cover for the S-400s, so, I think, not everything is so bad.

Well, the essence of ground air defense is still to guard a specific ground object. They do not guard aircraft. Those have their own route, their own task. (As they think about electronic warfare, if the figure of 500 km is indicated, then the enemy flies over 501 km, but how it flies into the "bubble" is )
The problem with our disputes lies in the fact that the media spoke in such a tone that the Su-34, in addition to bombs, will also cling to explosive missiles. By the way, I've already seen a video where it looks like it is. I hope the 34th is on a combat course and fully loaded will have time to turn around after an enemy salvo, and to evade a fired missile, and will have time to transmit information about the attack and get permission to destroy, and release V-V missiles, and hit the target and re-calculate the combat course and return to it, and drop the bombs (which weighed him down the entire previous air battle) and have enough fuel to return to base.

[perm23]

Well, after all, the F-16 was guided by the radar, and even the Avax was. 16 did not conduct irradiation. jumped out a blow from behind and that's it. Tut at least who will be, even PAk FA. And the most important thing in all this, not even the planes, but the steel eggs of the commanders. So that they are allowed to strike in case of danger. And if the flyers are told in every possible way to avoid confrontation and conflict, what they can do. You just need a clear order.

[newfox]

Quote: Manul

How do you imagine the Su-34 will do the F-16, which will go to its tail, and our Sushka still has bombs on its suspensions? And for example, on a combat course, and with an unfulfilled combat mission?

Emergency dropping of bombs with an anti-missile maneuver and shooting traps, if the homing missile was captured. Then a combat turn and a counterattack. The 34th loses to the f-16 in thrust-to-weight ratio, but very possibly not worse in horizontal maneuverability. So there are chances. The main thing is to save the car and the lives of the pilots. And the combat mission will be performed by another pair. It will be worse against f-15 or f-22. But I hope, I really hope it won't come to that.

[Sterlya]

Quote: Newfox

Quote: Manul

How do you imagine the Su-34 will do the F-16, which will go to its tail, and our Sushka still has bombs on its suspensions? And for example, on a combat course, and with an unfulfilled combat mission?

Emergency dropping of bombs with an anti-missile maneuver and shooting traps, if the homing missile was captured. Then a combat turn and a counterattack. The 34th loses to the f-16 in thrust-to-weight ratio, but very possibly not worse in horizontal maneuverability. So there are chances. The main thing is to save the car and the lives of the pilots. And the combat mission will be performed by another pair. It will be worse against f-15 or f-22. But I hope, I really hope it won't come to that.

That's what early warning is needed, more time, as you know, there are more trenches in any scenario.
But it didn't work out well with the Su-24, no one warned them that the Turks were flying nearby, that they were already flying at them ...

[newfox]

Nobody expected such rudeness from the Turks. They did not expect from themselves. Even when they set up a combat course before launch, probably on the ground, our people thought that they would squeeze out the edge with tracers along the course for the lapel, as always in such incidents. The rocket launch was an absolute surprise. Now they will proceed from the fact that the Turks are enemies. I'm sorry for the pilot and the Marine. They died because of Turkish meanness.

[Manul]

Quote: Newfox

Emergency bomb drop

What I am getting at. They can even predict the attack so that the pilots are put in front of the situation to drop bombs on a populated area.

[newfox]

Now this is unlikely. Our crews will be notified a lot in advance from the ground about all possible encounters. It is quite possible that priority targets will be hammered into the flight plan and, possibly, in the event of an emergency reset, when the likelihood of an attack arises. More thorough pre-flight preparation will be carried out, only as a plus. And the population density there is not European, the desert is all around. But the S-400 will have the opportunity to work on those who threatened. They also understand it there. Therefore, they sit right now exactly and do not risk flying close.

[veksha50]

Quote: Mera Joota

What are the Su-30 doing there?

There are few of them (only 4), and it was because of this that the downed Su-24 flew without fighter cover ...

After all, it was evidently in a tide of euphoria, when a representative of our air group said that they would begin departures by single planes, since there are a lot of targets ...

Well, just a few days later, the plane was shot down ... After all, no one would have thought that the Turks could take such a step ...

Why moan about the fighter cover ??? Each of us knows the number of aircraft in the air group ... I would understand if you raised the issue of increasing the number of fighters ... And then "what are the fighters doing there" ... They are just snapped up ...

[Mera joota]

Quote: veksha50

After all, no one could have thought that the Turks could take such a step ...

Come on. We are bombing the Turkoman, i.e. in fact, the Turks living in Syria, the Turks have repeatedly shot down Syrian cars there, moreover, they announced that they would shoot down all the violators. You are preparing the Su-24 task knowing (I hope) that a couple of Turkish F-16s have been hanging out in that area for an hour already. Is there a risk of conflict? Undoubtedly, even if it seems that it is not great. And what will you be guided by? I don't know about you, but ABOS was guided there ... as always ...

Quote: veksha50

I would understand if you raised the issue of increasing the number of fighters ...

So it's obvious ...

[mvg]

In the air, 2 AWACS (Turkish and Saudi), 2 Su-24s have just bombed the Turkomans, 30 km away there is a pair of F-16s on duty, themselves over the Turkish-Syrian border, and navigator Sushki, grit, that he did not even imagine that they would be shot down. And then they did not warn .. for several days in a row. Where's the STR? Radiation warning station?
Either there was a squeal of happiness when they wrote here that when they irradiated their aircraft (when it was captured by a missile seeker), NATO members "made wings."
AIM-9X, launch range in the front hemisphere - 18 km, in the "ass" - less. What, our radar stations could not tell that Falcon is coming in for an attack?
PS: Something I have no words, one keyboard is left. And from the comments of the veksh, nekhus, gsh-18, the Manuel is somehow coldly drawn by the nursery .. So the teacher will fall asleep, (as an option - the teacher will be distracted), and WE will show them (enemies) "Kuzkin's mother"

[perm23]

Questions like yours. why did not our radar stations warn about the approach 16. At least that they are hanging there. be on your guard.

[Bronik]

Let's not substitute our back!

[tinibar]

Quote: moskowit

Correct solution!

How not to add such news! Now let the adversaries think! ...

[Dr. Bormental]

Maybe it would be better to cover them with fighters? Although one does not interfere with the other ..

[NEXUS]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

Maybe it would be better to cover them with fighters?

I think the fighters will also cover ... the Aerospace Forces grouping in Syria is being built up. But the SU-34 is not the 24th. Unlike the "old man", it is also capable of pounding on the enemy's fighter, that's why they put air-to-air missiles on it.

[78bor1973]

Ours may be happy to have more fighters, but there is only one airfield and there is not enough space, so they decided to use the Su-34!

[NEXUS]

Quote: 78bor1973

Ours may be happy to have more fighters, but there is only one airfield and there is not enough space, so they decided to use the Su-34!

It seems that the Syrians have already allocated a second airfield for us ... so there is something to build up.

[Knight Rider]

Quote: NEXUS

It seems that the Syrians have already allocated a second airfield for us ... so there is something to build up.

It is also necessary to clean up the area around the airfield, which is now being done. Everything has its time

[Knight Rider]

Quote: 78bor1973

Ours may be happy to have more fighters, but there is only one airfield and there is not enough space, so they decided to use the Su-34!

Think correctly, dear. According to sources, the Ministry of Defense today is based on "Khmeimim"
4 SU-30CM
4 SU-27CM
12 Su-34
11 Su-24M (was 12)
12 SU-25CM
12 Mi-24P
3 Mi-8AMTSh (was 4)
That is, there is already nowhere for an apple to fall, but there are also transport workers, scouts ... Therefore, it was logical to equip the Su-34 with explosive missiles, just as recently Su-30SM fighters were hooked under the fuselages of OFABs

[newfox]

Cover with a pair. There are not enough fighters for all bombers. They will cover the 24th. 34 have good maneuverability potential, especially without bomb load. In terms of avionics and sighting, they are almost as good as fighters, so the decision is forced, but correct.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Newfox

In terms of avionics and sighting, they are almost as good as fighters, so the decision is forced, but correct.

We have longer-range missiles, so I think the F-16, if anything, just won't let the 34 go to the launch range of its missiles.

[tlauicol]

there from the border to Latakia you can get spit. F16 are constantly on duty on the ledge, incl. long-range missiles are not an argument

[NEXUS]

Quote: Tlauicol

there from the border to Latakia you can get spit. F16 are constantly on duty on the ledge, incl. long-range missiles are not an argument

There is an S-400 for that, and I think Krasuhi is ready. Besides, the S-400 radar also monitors the airspace deep into Turkey. Or do you consider Turkish kamikaze pilots?

[tlauicol]

no. they are no more stupid than you and me. they will be shot down from an ambush from a height of 1500-2000m, camouflaged by the relief. S-400 can't look through mountains

[NEXUS]

Quote: Tlauicol

no. they are no more stupid than you and me. they will be shot down from an ambush from a height of 1500-2000m, camouflaged by the relief. S-400 can't look through mountains

To do this, the F-16 needs to take off from the airfield and fly to the ambush point ... all this time, it will be at gunpoint of our complexes, and our VKS will be warned about the presence of Turkish fighters in dangerous proximity. I don't think there is only one of us and the A-50, but there is no official information about this. But if they are still there, then the Turks will not be able to strike from an ambush.

[tlauicol]

Nexus: you probably think that an F-16 taking off from an airfield in central Turkey climbs ten kilometers and then descends for an ambush? He will not be at gunpoint - all for the same reason: the S-400 does not know how to see through the mountains

[figter]

tlauicol
no. they are no more stupid than you and me. they will be shot down from an ambush from a height of 1500-2000m, camouflaged by the relief. S-400 can't look through mountains

It's not just mountains. It is necessary to take into account the detection range (and, as a consequence, tracking and destruction) of targets in altitude based on pure physics and geography, and more specifically, take into account that at altitudes from 100-1000 meters, the radar detection range does not exceed 45-50 km, even if these radars are located on the masts - there is a limit to everything, and correlating this range with the distance of the starting positions of the S-400 air defense systems from the Syrian-Turkish border - about 40 km, make sure of their extremely unfortunate location. Patriotic drawing on a map of a circle with a radius of 400 kilometers and issuing it as real combat capabilities to destroy a target without taking into account the altitude of the enemy aircraft is a great nonsense. On the contrary, in this case, Turkey's aviation has every chance to go with absolutely impunity at extremely low and low altitudes to the range of launching an anti-radar missile without leaving its airspace. The means of cover (the Pantsir-S division) will not be able to help the elder brother in any way, because he will not be "enough" for this about 25-30 km. It is too small for that. The presence of the S-400 air defense system on the territory practically on three sides surrounded by the sea will allow the enemy to make extensive use of the airspace over neutral waters and, first of all, for the actions of demonstration-distracting and simulating attack groups, ensuring the withdrawal of the strike group to the launch line. In addition, the S-400 complex is not maneuverable, it is not intended to quickly, within a matter of time without additional folding-deployment, change starting positions, avoiding the strike, which is very important in this situation when covering troops from air strikes. This is a positional complex of a standby regime, protection against missile attacks of large centers, and it is not his task - to cover the troops. And if he is forced to carry out these tasks, then only exclusively in cooperation, first of all, with the medium-range air defense system - "Buk-M1 or M2". This is the only way to prevent enemy aircraft from reaching the missile launch line. And the deployment of the S-400 in Syria is a more political move than justified by necessity. It was enough to cover the base and part of important areas to deploy a mixed anti-aircraft missile brigade of two Buk-M2 divisions and one S-300VM (1,2) - this is precisely their task. And I personally find it strange that a different, absolutely unjustified decision was made and it is not clear what calculations were used by the military leaders who made such a decision.

[perm23]

And who knows what the commanders were thinking. Hope that only words
S-400 will scare everyone.

[perm23]

Correctly can and so. The S-400 is not a panacea. The main defense is a military response, we hit us back and that's it.

[perm23]

You write, write, and that you yourself do not understand. Why should they be afraid of the Turks. They should jump out without even going into Syrian space to strike and leave, and that we will shoot them down on Turkish territory. It would be nice, but I'm not sure.

[perm23]

If he sees it, it’s time, and if he is allowed. The Turks have no problems with permission to beat.

[enhancement]

"Missiles are equipped with homing heads and are capable of hitting air targets at a distance of up to 60 kilometers"
And what are these "homing heads" that shoot down 60 km? As far as I understand, at such a distance the radar should guide the missile.

[gjv]

Quote: enhansment

And what are these "homing heads" that shoot down 60 km?

The R-27 missile has several modifications, including those with a launch range of up to 110 km against aircraft that provide active interference. In general, the onboard radar on the Su-34 should ensure the capture and tracking of 10 targets at a distance of up to 120 km and the guidance of four missiles.

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Quote: gjv

Quote: enhansment

And what are these "homing heads" that shoot down 60 km?

The R-27 missile has several modifications, including those with a launch range of up to 110 km against aircraft that provide active interference. In general, the onboard radar on the Su-34 should ensure the capture and tracking of 10 targets at a distance of up to 120 km and the guidance of four missiles.

Well, I meant that the radar station is. I misunderstood because of the "homing head", although Klimov said everything correctly

[dchegrinec]

Well, right! The plane is very expensive and you can't trust anyone! And you can't get enough cover airplanes!

[Gays]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

Maybe it would be better to cover them with fighters?

Yes, they will cover with fighters. Just as everyone said in an adult. Now there is a chance to get into the cabbage soup after the turn, and not in a few seconds after the reaction of the fighter and not in a couple of minutes until the s-400 missile hits the target. It motivates better not to do unnecessary stupid things.

[atamankko]

The decision is correct, it cools hot and dull heads.

[AdekvatNICK]

We rallied the sickly bream from the Turks. And in response, silence and NATO protects its vassals, and we, we banned vegetables. But now we armed ourselves with air air ... well, cool, but as they say, the sediment remained.
And it also became clear to everyone that you can bite Russia.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

I am embarrassed to ask, if today they first flew with air-to-air missiles, then what have they been flying with for the last four days, after the downed Sushka?

[ovod84]

Good news, good news.

[BARKHAN]

Defense in the air is timely, but now I am afraid of the build-up of the land force on the border ... How effective will the leap towards our airbase be? Although it is in this situation that the use of nuclear weapons is quite justified.
I have high hopes for our intelligence, information about the alleged strike of this group is needed like air ... In this case, according to our military doctrine, it would not be superfluous to strike a preemptive strike on the cluster ...
And in this case, air-to-air missiles are even more important, since the advancing enemy will be supported by aviation and missiles.
Our General Staff will develop EVERYTHING !!! possible scenarios for the development of events, which is called "still on the shore" ...

[Woodman]

Absolutely correct decision since it turned out that there is no friendly (except for the Syrian) or even just neutral aviation in the Syrian sky ...

[Strezhevchanin]

Another would be to drive this stinky drlo away so as not to stare where inappropriately.

[Thunderbolt]

Our base is limited in reception of aircraft and although it is located in a strategically important place, but at the same time it is close to the Turkish border. And this is not very good - they take off at the front of NATO, there is no operational depth for the actions of our aviation and the formation of air defense. from the border (at least one more).

[Was mammoth]

It is, of course, good that the illusions about "partners" have been dispelled. But, the war ends with the infantry. It seems that the "partners" are going to save ISIS with the help of the occupation of Syria. The Germans, the British are gathering expeditionary corps, of course "cannon fodder" - the Turks. Now it is not easy for the Syrian army, it will be even more difficult. I hope that our military and politicians are thinking over counteraction.
What are our allies? Probably not in the know, they are silent. Although, no. In Kazakhstan, in Ust-Kamenogorsk, the small homeland of the deceased pilot O. Peshkov, a rally in his memory was banned.

[cold19]

Hello everyone!!!!!
HERE IS THE NEWS FOR WHICH I WAS STANDING TO DRINK !!!!! Russian Defense Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu and Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Armed Forces, Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev, met at the Chkalovsky military airfield (Moscow Region) a plane that brought the body of the commander of the crew of the Su-24 Hero of Russia Oleg Peshkov, shot down in Syria, from Ankara.

According to the press service and information department of the Russian Ministry of Defense on Monday, during the flight, in the airspace of the Russian Federation, the plane was accompanied by an escort of fighters.

[BARKHAN]

This should have been shown live, this is the hero's return home!
The funeral must be dignified!

[bad]

Initially it was necessary like this ... but in general +

[Skifotavr]

But it is still necessary to cover the Su-34 in the air with fighters, because due to the armor and a large supply of fuel, the car is very heavy and in which case it will remain in a losing position in close air combat with light fighters that crept up at low altitude.

[Sterlya]

Quote: Skifotavr

But it is still necessary to cover the Su-34 in the air with fighters, because due to the armor and a large supply of fuel, the car is very heavy and in which case it will remain in a losing position in close air combat with light fighters that crept up at low altitude.

War will teach you everything. Therefore, there is a saying. For one beaten, two not beaten give.

[prishelec]

Let the Turks think now ...))

[Strezhevchanin]

Quote: prishelec

Let the Turks think now ...))

Yes, not only Turks, there are enough suicide bombers here.

[Yak28]

Air-to-air missiles and air defense are certainly good. But if someone other than Russia introduces ground troops into Syria, then all our bombing will be in vain. Any NATO army that entered Syria will create a springboard for training "opposition" to Assad, and of course will control part of the territory of the Syrian state, which will not be able to bomb the Russian Aviation, and will not be able to occupy the Syrian army. Further, this piece of land will probably leave Syria forever, like Kosovo in Serbia. So a ground operation of any of the NATO countries will nullify all the efforts of the Russian and the Syrian army, and Russia may again be abruptly disgraced. I hope this alignment is being considered at the General Staff

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Yak28

But if someone other than Russia introduces ground forces into Syria, then all our bombings will be in vain.

Let them try ... The bombing of the Aerospace Forces, this is just a cover! The main work is being done at the level of the special services ...

[Just BB]

50 American advisors are already there

[Just BB]

For a long time about it ...
"Victory has many" relatives ", defeat is an orphan!"

If you don't want to get involved in a ground operation, send "advisers" to every Syrian fighter

[hunt]

Quote: Barkhan

This should have been shown live, this is the hero's return home!
The funeral must be dignified!

Vesti24 - showed.

[Santjaga_Garka]

So, because of some hoopoes, ISIS will receive less than a couple of hundred kg of explosives!

[Predator]

You are like little children, emotional comments, but there is no logic and analysis of the situation. What about the fact that 24 would accompany a fighter? Or a pair of fighters and A 50 would hang in the air? We found 16 (he was already seen), he did not cross the border, I fired rockets from my territory, 24 has no time to respond (so far they would have been informed by communication), 16 could not shoot down on their side of the border without a command from above, and what are you hammering with tongues? block the air defense (naval, ground) and shoot down everything that is 10-30 km from the border with Syria ?! until we are at war and we do not have the right to such actions. Secretly knock down the plane, drown the submarine, finish off the President of Turkey and his family, we can, but obviously not strike! Or should we declare war on Turkey and grab the straits ?! political-economic field and secret war (we are not us and not ours, these are the Kurds). realists.

[Hitrovan07]

Erdogan MUST BE DESTROYED.

[mvg]

Quote: GSH-18

Quote: Sterlya

I think they can torpedo which ship, the more it is known at gunpoint "Moskva"

I doubt very much that "Moscow" is in the Mediterranean in solo voyage! The Black Sea Fleet has four newest multifunctional submarines! And it is not yet known who is hunting who there!

Come on. All 4 ??? Did Seryozha Shoigu tell you this?
As usual, just to slap Che in the comments! What does the Black Sea Fleet and 0Sredizemka have to do with it? Submarines of the Black Sea Fleet will hunt directly from there for submarines 209 of the Turkish project? Let me guess myself ... mmmm ... probably CALIBER ?? Have you guessed?
What, is it quite lazy to dial the composition of the squadron pennants using the keys? It's much easier to look at the box and not think about anything ... And now there are 80% of them on the forum ... Soon we will roll, as on a rambler, and then we are not far from the censor ..
Probably shouting out "answers" in lessons without raising your hand?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: mvg

What, is it quite lazy to dial the composition of the squadron pennants using the keys? It's much easier to look at the box and not think about anything ... And now there are 80% of them on the forum ... Soon we will roll, as on a rambler, and then we are not far from the censor ..
Probably shouting out "answers" in lessons without raising your hand?

Come on, so categorically ... If everyone starts whining, then the site should be closed immediately (no offense) ...
Emotions hold back many .. Here you need to read, not stick out!

[Sterlya]

Quote: mvg

Come on. All 4 ??? Did Seryozha Shoigu tell you this?
As usual, just to slap Che in the comments! What does the Black Sea Fleet and 0Sredizemka have to do with it? Submarines of the Black Sea Fleet will hunt directly from there for submarines 209 of the Turkish project? Let me guess myself ... mmmm ... probably CALIBER ?? Have you guessed?
What, is it quite lazy to dial the composition of the squadron pennants using the keys? It's much easier to look at the box and not think about anything ... And now there are 80% of them on the forum ... Soon we will roll, as on a rambler, and then we are not far from the censor ..
Probably shouting out "answers" in lessons without raising your hand?

Something, too, began to think so.
Can we be more serious? Shall we give up the hat?
And one more question. How long will the Russian economy withstand? With Our "economists"? Was Chubais hanged? Nemtsov? (oh yes, the same is not a pity, as it does not seem blasphemous to some liberal)
And so I think all this will be beneficial. They usually evolve on the edge.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Sterlya

And one more question. How long will the Russian economy withstand? With Our "economists"? Was Chubais hanged? Nemtsov? (oh yes, the same is not a pity, as it does not seem blasphemous to some liberal)
And so I think all this will be beneficial. They usually evolve on the edge.

Yes, we will not endure for the first time ... And now is not the time to rebel! When was it easy for us to live?

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Quote: mvg

Quote: GSH-18

Quote: Sterlya

I think they can torpedo which ship, the more it is known at gunpoint "Moskva"

I doubt very much that "Moscow" is in the Mediterranean in solo voyage! The Black Sea Fleet has four newest multifunctional submarines! And it is not yet known who is hunting who there!

Come on. All 4 ??? Did Seryozha Shoigu tell you this?
As usual, just to slap Che in the comments! What does the Black Sea Fleet and 0Sredizemka have to do with it? Submarines of the Black Sea Fleet will hunt directly from there for submarines 209 of the Turkish project? Let me guess myself ... mmmm ... probably CALIBER ?? Have you guessed?
What, is it quite lazy to dial the composition of the squadron pennants using the keys? It's much easier to look at the box and not think about anything ... And now there are 80% of them on the forum ... Soon we will roll, as on a rambler, and then we are not far from the censor ..
Probably shouting out "answers" in lessons without raising your hand?

What are you talking about, ah ah ah. In the next topic they "proved" to me that in addition to the submarines, there are 4 more of our destroyers (there are only 2 combat-ready in 1000 km from Syria) "Moscow" is covered ...

[mvg]

Che, straight "proved", and grabbed the breasts?
Quiet horror.
A couple in the Baltic, and "Bystry" serve at the Pacific Fleet .. The rest are canned food. Not the most successful project. But all the same, their hearts are with him (with the guards cruiser Moscow)!

Yes, we will not endure for the first time ... And now is not the time to rebel! When was it easy for us to live?

"Meehan", you, excuse me, did not see the 90s? Oil at $ 18 a barrel? RFP 2 times a year, Chinese "Great Wall" stew and empty shops ..?
Probably already accustomed to the Internet, a sofa, a full refrigerator .. Rest in Turkey ..
Want to "back to the future", part 4? At the same time, the director will no longer be Spielberg, but someone less fantastic, but more prosaic.
I don’t know how to explain and whether everyone will understand .. But it turns out that my country, which I have always been proud of (that I was born and lived in it), with frightening periodicity dips (did not find another word) its people in "kovno ". It's about the economy. 1998 - dollar (crisis), 2008 - crisis, 2014 - crisis .. And these are not all dates ..
Don't you think that we are going to fight against the whole world again? Even now our "friends" do not support us .. (ATS for example) Latest news: China with Turkey, Kazakhstan! and Armenia !!! agreed to bypass Russia to supply products to Europe .. Here ..
PS: And our "marshals" (hello to the cosmodrome :-)), as in the film: Everything is fine, beautiful marquise ..

[enhancement]

They didn't just say "There they are and that's it!"
Bystry and "Admiral Ushakov" remained, "Restless" is in the line for Modernization and its combat readiness is questionable.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: mvg

"Meehan", you, excuse me, did not see the 90s? Oil at $ 18 a barrel? RFP 2 times a year, Chinese "Great Wall" stew and empty shops ..?

Alas, I found the very peak and a little earlier ... God forbid, still survive this! And you are obviously a liberal, here you are swinging the "boat" ..)))? Oh well...

[Manul]

Quote: MIKHAN

And you are obviously a liberal, here you are swinging the "boat" ..)))? Oh well.

Similar. Or the pros.

[Alexandr2637]

People! What is it about are they serious?
What are we shmalny about the Turks?
Do you think that NATO jackals won't harness a puppy - Erdogada?
Yes, they sleep and see in order to find a justified pretext (provocation) to strike at us - at Russia!
Then they will write off to the Turks (if they will write off to whom) ...
Of course, Erdogan must be punished and held accountable before the tribunal as a war criminal! This is unconditional!
But it is not worth declaring to the whole world, as, for example, the fatty "we’ll get everyone right now," and there the grass doesn’t grow ...
Personally, I am afraid for my family and my children ... You have to be a complete nerd to look for a military solution to the conflict ...
How you want to be wrong ...

[NeRTT]

Well, the time has come for us to "rattle" our weapons under Perdogan's nose .. He's already nervous ... oh .. - unfaithful ... oh .. ..- manless !!

[nogBogHuk]

Ankara is preparing a massive invasion of Syria
It was the Washington regional committee that gave them the go-ahead

[sanya0974]

Who is in the subject, tell me, does the SU-34 have a reverse launch function (to the rear hemisphere)? When developing the SU-35, this topic was worked out for the R-73. It would be very good for back protection

[enhancement]

Quote: sanya0974

Who is in the subject, tell me, does the SU-34 have a reverse launch function (to the rear hemisphere)? When developing the SU-35, this topic was worked out for the R-73. It would be very good for back protection

She was abandoned

[pilot bin-bom]

Wait, Euronews reported that the countries of the European Union will consider the issue of paying compensation to Turkey for the Russian sanctions. Well, if so, then trade with the Turks must be closed tightly - and the sponsors will compensate for everything. Well, at least in words

[NEXUS]

Quote: Pilot Bin Bom

Wait, Euronews reported that the countries of the European Union will consider the issue of paying compensation to Turkey for the Russian sanctions. Well, if so, then trade with the Turks must be closed tightly - and the sponsors will compensate for everything. Well, at least in words

Qatar and Saudi Arabia announced for two more days that all losses due to sanctions would be reimbursed to Turkey.

[ilgiz82]

There was a rumor that ours had transferred the SU 35S to Syria. Is it true or not?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Alexandr2637

You need to be a complete nerd to seek a military solution to the conflict ...

Napoleon and Hitler also hoped for this ... But alas! We in Russia solved this problem, nevertheless, in exactly this way, although we hoped to the last for Russian (maybe it will carry over ..) Now Syria is Russia (on the distant frontiers, like Afghanistan in the days of the USSR) Let's run away, they will come to our cities ...! Choose gentlemen ...

[mvg]

What have we achieved in Afghanistan? They put 50 of their soldiers, a lot of money, angered half of the Muslim world and, 000 years later, ignominiously left there. Thanks to another good general for leaving without big losses ..
Just like the pintos are now .. stepping on the same rake.
Somehow you (Meehan) are all in a bunch .. and Hitler and Napoleon (you at least know the story normally, what, how because of what ..) and Afghan mixed ..
And aggression against us, and our input of troops ..
Nothing that Russia and Napoleon and Hitler at one time were allies? Maybe after all, well, his nafik is this TV, and you read smart books? And not necessarily "Grade 9 Algebra"

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: mvg

Maybe after all, well, his nafik is this TV, and you read smart books? And not necessarily "Grade 9 Algebra"

Be simpler .. And you don't need to put yourself above others! I knew a lot of these here ... Just advice, from the heart!

[mvg]

It’s much easier, I don’t even wear a tie.
Have you noticed the composition of the branches? Where, so to speak, "works", a bunch of "urapatriots", there will be neither Bongo, nor Falcon, nor Sixtin, nor Professor, Voyak. others (missed a bunch) adequate users. But there will be Baikonurs, Mikhans, Gsh-18, Pallas' cat, Nexus, Peku-18, Vekshi, etc., which will prove with foam at the mouth that black is white and vice versa ..
And also, that Mother Russia will punish everyone and break their ass.
At 41 we already faced: "in a foreign territory, with little blood, we will wash everyone ...", and as a result, 20 million lives, for debunking this myth .. And then, I think, the situation was more interesting for us ..
PS: Or maybe a book really? And people and reach for you?

[AdekvatNICK]

I shake my hand, too, got a hurray patriotic cripples. Inadequate. Add them to the black list. Such deer, in fact, need to be banned. Anything new is a comment about our exclusivity. Mikhan is the most stubborn by the way. This is the level to which it is unlikely that someone will have a chance to get there.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: mvg

PS: Or maybe a book really? hi And people reach out to you too?

I listen to the echo and the rain .. and something familiar intonation flickers ..))) I feel like you right away! (with a beard probably curly and an earring in the ear))))) I can't laugh at all ...

[mvg]

black dash blue shirt, sometimes tie, trousers, boots. no earring, no tattoo ..
I can dig, I can not dig. :-)
and books should be read. Father Lenin was right about something ... about studying.

I can smell people like you right away!

I'm sorry, I probably wore yesterday's socks .. right after the gym .. rarely, but it happens .. I did not think that you can "smell" through the wires. guilty!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: mvg

black dash blue shirt, sometimes tie, trousers, boots. no earring, no tattoo ..
I can dig, I can not dig. :-)
and books should be read. Father Lenin was right about something ... about studying.

I can smell people like you right away!

I'm sorry, I probably wore yesterday's socks .. right after the gym .. rarely, but it happens .. I did not think that you can "smell" through the wires. guilty!

And yet I'm right, even your jokes are one-on-one with the EAR (Washington) .. You read ours))))) Continue, I'm interested in watching you when you run out of poison .. The main thing is not to overdo it, otherwise choke can!

[mvg]

radio - only chanson, but I don’t watch TV .. for a year already, about ..
means a joke, so I think, I saw somewhere before .. or just inspired socks ..
Have you seen the movie "The Fockers Family" with Roberto De Niro?
- I'm watching you .. I recommend looking at night .. Without poison ..
PS: Occasionally it is possible instead of a book .. But do not bury yourself !!!! Study is above all. And then in life you will often look, how to put it softer .. inadequate. And in a decent company, there will be nothing to say .. Well, except: I watched Euronews here yesterday .. and further in the text.
Free advice, by the way .. Use it.

[DAYMAN]

Syria reminds me more of Spain 1936-1939

[AdekvatNICK]

everyone is so happy ..... we are cool .... but anyway they swayed the plane for us, they didn't see that we were so cool, but we wore off .... we forbid vegetables. rejoice.

[alexx7]

Still, there was an incident with a cookie, it was the Su-24 that was shot down, not 25,34. It can be seen that we have lowered the Americans. Victory will be ours.

[Mestny]

Quote: Sterlya

So, in principle, the Su-24 should not be shot down either. And I think these will look where it is weak. The sky will not ride already, although the S-300-400 did not participate in real combat, WHILE, it makes a rustle.

Before the downed SU, Turkey was considered, if not an ally, then a partner. Accordingly, this was not expected and not prepared.
Now the situation is somewhat different.

[Edvid]

When attacking from the tail, the Su-24 is still defenseless, even if it is armed with V-V missiles.

[spolo]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Pilot Bin Bom

Wait, Euronews reported that the countries of the European Union will consider the issue of paying compensation to Turkey for the Russian sanctions. Well, if so, then trade with the Turks must be closed tightly - and the sponsors will compensate for everything. Well, at least in words

Qatar and Saudi Arabia announced for two more days that all losses due to sanctions would be reimbursed to Turkey.

We can be a multi-move of the Turks. How to get dough and respect.

[DAYMAN]

Time will tell - who will have whom ...

[Wolka]

in general, after a fight, they don't wave their fists, this should have been foreseen from the outset, the fact, now, in addition to missile defense means, there must be onboard electronic warfare equipment, and once again this is a must, the Turks in their image have blown up in earnest, NATO sings along from their powerlessness, in If the attack repeats, Russia’s response should be even stronger and more uncompromising with the clear goal of enforcing peace ...

[DAYMAN]

We are waiting for all the tourists to leave Turkey ...

"If you go to Turkey as a tourist, you help terrorists!"

[magician]

it would not be bad to start exercises at sea together with the French. there, two Turkish submarines are not far away. Work with bombs, torpedoes and artillery on targets.

[azesm]

A look at the future of Syria without rose-colored glasses and propaganda:
http://historyndex.com/page-history/rasshirenie--2--/