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Casus belli passed, or where the Kremlin will push in the fight against the Ottomans ...

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Casus belli passed, or where the Kremlin will push in the fight against the Ottomans ...



Turkish-American provocation made the whole world look into the future with dismay. There are grounds for alarm. You can risk making a prediction: there will be no war, but there will be such a struggle for peace, that there will be little left of the world.

Before proceeding to the analysis of possible areas of response to Russia, we must first understand what our opponents are trying to achieve. For this you can not stop the logical chain in Ankara. It must be remembered that in geopolitics there are practically no abandoned rabid dogs, especially since in the Turkish case the strings leading to Washington are visible to the naked eye.

After the start of the Russian operation in Syria, the irresponsible and patriotic part of the American elite, who would prefer to plunge the world into a nuclear war, but not abandon world hegemony, demanded that Obama organize a no-fly zone over Syria or at least part of Syria. This was demanded by McCain, this was demanded by Hillary Clinton and (most importantly) this was demanded by the main “brain” of American influential radicals - Robert Kagan (husband of Victoria Nuland).

The most stupid of the members of the deranged part of the American elite, senator from South Carolina Lindsey Graham has publicly stated that he "would have shot down without exaggeration" Russian planes in Syria if they threaten the forces that Washington is supporting.

Moreover, just a few days ago, Kagan demanded that the United States not only created a no-fly zone over the Syrian-Turkish border, but also created a “safe zone” for the “moderate opposition”, reinforcing it with the US military contingent of 30-50 thousand people . A program article by Kagan, published in Wall Street Journal on Saturday, caused a sharply negative reaction from the sane part of the American political and military elite. Speaking very rudely, no one wanted to die for the sake of "Kagan and his friends." It is very likely that “Kagan and his friends”, having lost the opportunity to use the Pentagon as their personal PMCs, decided to switch to the traditional plan B - namely, to use their Turkish puppets, in the same style and format as Kiev political dolls like Yatsenyuk are used and Dzhemilev. Opinions and desires of Erdogan himself in this scheme did not matter at all, although, most likely, he could like the idea of ​​strengthening his position by consolidating society against an external enemy. As for the radicals in the party of Erdogan himself, they clearly accepted the idea with a bang.

If you look at the situation from the point of view of Kagan and his allies, then the Turks had to do what the US military did not want to do. If you call a spade a spade, then Turkey was sacrificed. Soon, Thanksgiving is probably the meanest and dirtiest holiday known to mankind, a holiday of betrayal as a lifestyle and strategy for success. Each year, only those for whom Judas is a hero are capable of remembering and rejoicing at the kindness of those whom future Americans later subjected to genocide. The traditional delicacy on this "stab in the back" holiday is roasted turkey, in English - turkey. Turkey in English is also Turkey. If this is not a coincidence, then it must be admitted that our opponents have a peculiar sense of humor.

In response to the downed aircraft, the authors of the "Kagan plan" would have arranged either of two options:

1. A full-fledged war on the line Russia - NATO. Given Europe’s emerging attempts to crawl out of the American “security cap,” this could be the last real chance to use the NATO Charter’s 5 article to make war with Russia on a united front. If this is not done now, then sooner or later Juncker’s attempts to create a European (that is, independent of the US) army, as well as attempts by the French elite to move closer to Russia to solve the ISIL problem, could lead to the disintegration of NATO from within.

2. The termination of Russian flights and bombings in the zone of the Syrian-Turkish border, with the subsequent creation of the very “reserve of moderate terrorists”, about which Kagan himself wrote in his program document. After the appearance of such a “safe zone”, it would be trivial for the American radicals to simply push through their solution to the Syrian issue: to break Assad, support ISIS and send it to the Caucasus, Russia and Iran.

It is already obvious that none of the variants of Kagan played. From the statement of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation it is clear that:

- The operation in Syria will be continued and activated

- Any aircraft that will threaten Russian aircraft will stray

An important clarification needs to be made to understand the emotions of the Turkish "party of war", which joyfully harnessed the plan of Kagan. From the point of view of the “Turkish imperials”, who constitute a significant part of the local political and military elite, the units of the “Turkoman” in Syria are roughly the same as the LPR for Russia. When Russian bombers eliminate dozens and hundreds of “pro-Turkish militants” in one flight, some part of the Turkish elite perceives this as their personal pain, their personal tragedy and their personal reason for revenge. Moreover, one does not need to be Wanga to guess that a significant part of the personnel serving the ISIS oil business, from fuel truck drivers to engineers, has Turkish passports. From the point of view of a significant part of the Turkish elite, Russia stepped on a very sore spot and it was not only a matter of money and barrels, but also that the Russian army methodically killed those whom the Turks considered their own and to whom the Turkish elite promised support and protection. When McCain and Kagan appeared on the horizon with their idea of ​​a “buffer zone” and promises of protection, it is clear that the Turks seized this idea with both hands. However, the Kremlin made a logical conclusion: if the "Turkish imperials" are so painful to watch the deaths of pro-Turkish militants and burning Turkish fuel trucks, then the process must be continued, not curtailed. Instead of driving Russia away from its diseased corns, Ankara has ensured that the Russian army will dance a bloody jig on these corns. Daily. Until each militant who believes in the dream of a new Ottoman Empire is eliminated. At the same time, the Russian air defense will keep Turkish (and not only) airplanes in the eye, counting on the chance to equalize the score for aviation to losses.

The above is just one thing, albeit the main line of response.

Turkey has one serious trump card in its relations with the Russian Federation. Ankara can close the straits through which the Russian group in Syria is supplied and exports Russian oil. Russia also has a serious trump card that will be used in the event of an escalation of the conflict: the Turkish energy sector is dependent on Russian gas. Roughly speaking, in response to the "shutdown of the straits," the Turks can turn off the light, and this is in addition to the obvious prospect of a military solution to the blocking problem. The combination of mutual threats indicates that the matter will most likely not come to the mutual use of these trumps..


There are two additional areas of action: support for the Kurds and the impact on the economic interests of Turkey.

We should not assume that "all the Kurds are under the United States." This is a simplification, and not very relevant to reality. Firstly, there are many Kurds, and not all Kurdish organizations have a positive attitude towards the United States. Secondly, even formally pro-American Kurdish forces cooperate with the United States not from a good life and they have to put up with the fact that Washington simultaneously supports Ankara. Under these conditions, Moscow can offer quite interesting options for cooperation to the Kurds, because now we have no limitations in terms of the risk of offending Turkey.

Regarding Turkish economic interests, Dmitry Medvedev quite clearly put it:
"... Long good neighborly relations between Russia and Turkey are undermined, including in the economy and the humanitarian sphere. It will be difficult to repair this damage, a direct consequence could be the abandonment of a number of important joint projects and the loss by Turkish companies of their positions on the Russian market ".

Coincidentally, this morning, the Rosselkhoznadzor has already found any irregularities with one of the Turkish meat suppliers to Russia.

It is safe to predict that the Russian regulatory authorities will suddenly acquire unnatural, but commendable vigilance in matters of compliance by Turkish companies with various norms of Russian legislation. The bad luck line will also begin near Turkish-Turkish NGOs and the Azerbaijani-Turkish business, which still feels very good in some sectors of the Russian economy. Yes, Turkey has the opportunity to respond symmetrically, creating problems for its subsidiaries Sberbank, Inter RAO and Lukoil, but in monetary terms, Turkish business will lose much more than Russia.

By the way, every Russian consumer can take part in the response. You can and should refuse to rest in Turkey, but this is not enough. For example, you can and should refuse to buy household appliances "Eyelid" (brand of Turkish corporation Ko Holding Durable Goods Group). Beer consumption is evil, but the company’s beer consumption Ephesusthat is, a Turkish corporation Anadolu Efes Biraclk ve Malt Sanayii A. - this is not only evil, but also sponsoring Turkish accomplices of terrorists. If you have a contribution or account in Europe Credit Bank, which belongs to the Turkish oligarch Husnu Mustafa Ozhegin, then its closure will be a beautiful patriotic gesture. I would also like to hope that wearing Turkish consumer goods brands Colin's will soon become a bad form.


Last, but perhaps the most important area of ​​work on the Turkish front will be diplomatic and informational. In the medium term, the Kremlin will seek to perceive Turkey in the international arena as a country sponsor of international terrorism. There is evidence, and now they will be methodically used in the framework of the work of all international structures, from the UN to the FATF. It will be very difficult to defend against the charges and they cannot be ignored endlessly. It will be especially difficult for European politicians to ignore after the Paris attacks. With the successful development of this line of attack on Turkey, it will be increasingly difficult for the American radicals to seek transatlantic solidarity in terms of protecting Turkey from Russia's unfriendly actions in other areas. Moreover, the opening of the participation of Turkish officials, as well as their close relatives in the financing of ISIS, on the one hand, can provoke another political crisis in Turkey, and on the other, it opens up great opportunities for the personal prosecution of some odious representatives of the Turkish elite. For us, it would be very desirable that the various troubles that would happen to the Turkish elitist would be attributed not to “Russian revenge,” but clearly substantiated by the generally recognized need to combat international terrorism.

By the way, the very fact of the existence of modern Turkey is the result of the idealism of the leadership of the USSR. Herself история Russia, on the example of Bulgaria, Turkey and even Ukraine, teaches us that mercy and idealism, regardless of motivation, is a dangerous luxury in geopolitics. In the future, however, it is worth looking with a certain optimism, since we have every chance to correct some historical mistakes.

The Turkish problem will be solved, but it is only a symptom, while the fundamental cause of such problems is in Washington, and not even in the White House, but, for example, in an inconspicuous office in Massachusetts Avenue 1775. This problem is the irresponsible segment of the American political elite. His neutralization is a topic for another conversation. If we get to the Turkish Imperials relatively soon, then with the Americans everything will be much more complicated. We are now participating in the First World Hybrid War. Victory will be expensive and not long, but it will be ours.
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  1. izya top
    izya top 26 November 2015 12: 13 New
    32
    there will be no war, but there will be such a struggle for peace that little is left of the world.
    open the good man, otherwise he breaks the door (s)
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 26 November 2015 12: 19 New
      16
      Grievances must be applied at once: the less they try, the less harm they do; it is useful to provide good deeds little by little so that they can be tasted as best as possible.
      Niccolo Machiavelli
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 26 November 2015 17: 34 New
        +9
        another quote from the same work is even more appropriate:
        “People should either be fondled or destroyed, a person can avenge a small evil, but he cannot take revenge for a big one. It is better to kill than to threaten - threatening, creating and warning the enemy, killing - you get rid of the enemy completely.

        So Stalin made a mistake and showed harm to the Turks would not be too typical for him rotten humanism : wanting to take away from the Turks what Judas Lenin gave them, he tried to threaten the Turks - and as a result, Turkey immediately rushed into NATO. But if he attacked immediately, who would take a warring country into NATO! bully
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 26 November 2015 18: 29 New
          +1
          Weyland

          Humanism is a form of human morality. You can call it positive with a conditional degree.

          crimson alter

          Do you know why Kagan did not receive general support?

          Because the audience to which he turned has a selfish basis. To get support from egoists, it is necessary to tie them, for example, with a common crime.

          Well, there are many examples in history. Parasail "Louisiana", "Pearl Harbor" well, etc.
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    2. Temples
      Temples 26 November 2015 12: 20 New
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      Here is the fifth article of the NATO Charter.
      The Contracting Parties agree that an armed attack on one or more of them in Europe or North America will be considered as an attack on them as a whole, and therefore agree that if such an armed attack takes place, each of them, in exercise of the right to individual or collective self-defense, recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will help To the Contracting Party undergoing, or to the Contracting Parties subjected to such an attack, by immediate effect such an individual or joint action, which it considers necessary, including the use of armed force to restore and subsequently maintain the security of the North Atlantic region.

      Recently, many have cited this article.
      Europeans would not be Europeans if they did not leave themselves a "loophole":
      -We consider it necessary we will provide assistance, we will not consider -Will not.
      And help can be different - you can distribute buns.
      On this and now the Turks have made it clear that this is their problem.
      1. alex321
        alex321 26 November 2015 12: 38 New
        +9
        Here is the fifth article of the NATO Charter.
        Contracting Parties agree that an armed attack on one or more of them in Europe or North America will be regarded as an attack on them as a whole, and, therefore, agree that if such an armed attack takes place, each of them, in exercise of the right to individual or collective self-defense, recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations Nations will assist the Contracting Party that has been, or the Contracting Parties, undergoing such an attack by immediately carrying out such individual or joint action as it considers necessary, including the use of armed force to restore and subsequently maintain the security of the North Atlantic region.

        I think Turkey in Asia. Not?
        1. sa-zz
          sa-zz 26 November 2015 12: 41 New
          -11
          I think there was no armed attack
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 26 November 2015 13: 29 New
            +6
            Quote: sa-zz
            I think there was no armed attack

            If you are talking about Su-24, then as if in a caricature, they shot down a slingshot. Or maybe even a spit, they argued who spit higher, well, and accidentally shot down. As they said in the army - do not talk nonsense.
            1. sa-zz
              sa-zz 27 November 2015 07: 06 New
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              As they said in the army - do not talk nonsense


              If you, dear adviser on "how to talk in the army", took the trouble to read the comment to which my answer was given "I think there was no armed attack" and which you so carefully "minus", then you would understand without much difficulty, that we are talking about the 51st article of the Charter of the United Nations
              Contracting Parties agree that armed attacke to one or more of them in Europe or North America will be seen as an attack on them in generaland, therefore, agree that if such an armed attack takes place, each of them, in order to exercise the right to individual or collective self-defense recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will provide assistance to a Contracting Party subjected to , or to Contracting Parties subjected to such an attack, by the immediate implementation of such an individual or joint action as it considers necessary, including the use of armed force

              Perhaps, due to your experience, you are aware of the technology of shooting down the Su-24 with a spit or from a slingshot, I will not argue with this, but you mislead the members of the forum by mentioning some caricature that in no way relates to my article comment.

              And it also seems to me that the adoption of such hasty and incorrect conclusions can lead to the adoption of not quite the right decisions, which in turn lead to sad consequences.

              And as they say in the army
              There are six types of unfortunate armies: running, loose, sinking, crumbling, promiscuous and routed. These six are not from Heaven and Earth, but from the mistakes of the commander.

              Don't you find ??
              1. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 27 November 2015 11: 50 New
                +1
                Quote: sa-zz
                If you, dear adviser on "how to talk in the army", took the trouble to read the comment to which my answer was given "I think there was no armed attack" and which you so carefully "minus", then you would understand without much difficulty, that we are talking about the 51st article of the Charter of the United Nations

                And if you simply, when writing a comment, would press the "Quote" button, it would be clear that you are writing your comment to someone specifically. And by the "indents" on the left side of the page, it is often simply impossible to determine to whom you are writing. Often comments follow the time of receipt and may not correspond. So my advice to you is to press the "Quote" button.
                The second is about a military attack. So was there an attack on our plane or did you write so briefly that Russia did not attack Turkey? Write too briefly and therefore it is not clear that you are our Chekhov. Brevity is not always the sister of talent, write more clearly and no one will have questions.
                Third, I don’t remember something, that I minus you, and moreover, many times. I minus, usually only in response to unfair cons. As they themselves wrote too briefly and not very clearly, other readers of Military Review also understand you. Only be offended by yourself.
                At the same time about the caricature. This is a caricature of Charlie Ebdo. It depicts our plane, stuck in the ground. Nearby is a slingshot from which he was shot down. And next to Erdogan with his pants down on his ass, which is whipped by a belt, in my opinion, the President of France and a whole line of people who want to do the same. So the caricature is directly related to the article and to your incomprehensible comment.
                1. sa-zz
                  sa-zz 27 November 2015 12: 29 New
                  0
                  My answer was and is right under the comment of alex321 in which it was said about 51 articles, and the minuses appeared after your biased answer to my comment. This is the first.
                  Secondly.
                  Advice given to someone in the presence of other people is perceived as a rebuke.
                  Kay Cavus

                  I did not ask for your advice, so I ask them to abstain from me in my direction.
                  Thirdly, the article is about
                  Turkish-American provocation
                  therefore, this cartoon is out of place and out of time, and certainly not in my commentary.
                  All the best.
          2. remy
            remy 26 November 2015 15: 20 New
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            Europe and the United States will finish off very soon and will later want and ask for urgent negotiations!
            But it will be too late, because the flying time of nuclear warheads will be reduced very quickly!
            called __.... deb_ly!
        2. Penzuck
          Penzuck 26 November 2015 12: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: alex321
          I think Turkey in Asia. Not?

          The one east of the straits in Asia. Think!
          1. Mik-51
            Mik-51 26 November 2015 14: 06 New
            +2
            Quote: Penzuck
            Quote: alex321
            I think Turkey in Asia. Not?

            The one east of the straits in Asia. Think!


            That's who would explain to me thoughtfully and sensibly ....
            I know the geography, the higher navigational education ...
            On what basis was an arbitrary piece of the continent of Asia taken and suddenly called Europe?
            Neither part of Africa is called a separate mainland, nor part of America, even Antarctica and Australia, do not separate parts.
            And from Asia they took and cut off a piece quite randomly and even named it, unlike other continents and continents, not with the letter A, but with the letter E !?
            There should be no Europe or Geyrop ...
            1. Alexzora
              Alexzora 26 November 2015 16: 01 New
              +1
              if really interesting, then here is a link to a rather non-contradictory version of the name EPRO PA.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az9pCsEOmK0
              in the area of ​​the 7th minute the answer to the question.
              with respect.
            2. Weyland
              Weyland 26 November 2015 17: 49 New
              0
              Quote: mik-51
              On what basis was an arbitrary piece of the continent of Asia taken and suddenly called Europe?


              You will laugh, but when the terms "Europe" and "Asia" appeared, the Greeks did not even know that they were uniting somewhere in the wild Cimmeria! Europe was called what is to the west of the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles, in Asia - not everything that is to the east of them, but only one Small Asia i.e. in fact - the current Asian part of Turkey!

              CHSKh, only 150 years ago, Turkey was called "a sick person Europe"... laughing
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            4. gladcu2
              gladcu2 26 November 2015 20: 39 New
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              Mik-51

              Because Europe, because they have different values. The ideology is different. This is an experiment in the field of social engineering. A way to control the world through ideological postulates. Social engineering is based on manipulations with human morality.

              I do not want to be like everyone else. A form of selfishness.
        3. Altona
          Altona 26 November 2015 12: 45 New
          0
          Quote: alex321
          render assistance to a Contracting Party subjected to, or to Contracting Parties subjected to such an attack, by the immediate implementation of such an individual or joint action as it considers necessary,

          -------------------------
          Who deems necessary
          .Deem necessary send a pair of rusty Hummers to the country "exhausted of Russia's aggression" like Ukraine ... And the budget will not suffer and voters will see "growing solidarity in the fight against the aggressor" ... NATO is, first of all, America, Europeans do not want to spend money on guns .. ...
          1. 3axap82
            3axap82 26 November 2015 13: 00 New
            +2
            400 aircraft of which are 200 f-16, the largest land army in NATO after the USA, the largest fleet of the Black Sea in 4,5 times the size of the Russian one.
            http://topwar.ru/41179-vooruzhennye-sily-turcii-vtorye-posle-rossii.html
            1. hrapon
              hrapon 26 November 2015 13: 42 New
              +4
              Quote: 3axap82
              400 aircraft of which are 200 f-16, the largest land army in NATO after the USA, the largest fleet of the Black Sea in 4,5 times the size of the Russian one.
              http://topwar.ru/41179-vooruzhennye-sily-turcii-vtorye-posle-rossii.html


              Chesma, Rymnik, Sinop ... Continue?
              1. Weyland
                Weyland 26 November 2015 17: 55 New
                0
                Quote: hrapon
                Chesma, Ramnik, Sinop ... Continue


                Then 2 different ranks:
                Chesma-Fidonisi-Kerch-Tendra-Kaliakria-Nava
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            2. gunya
              gunya 26 November 2015 18: 17 New
              +1
              Under Catherine II and Ushakov, there was something similar, but the result?
              Chesma-Fidonisi-Kerch-Tendra-Kaliakria-Nava
            3. TOR2
              TOR2 26 November 2015 23: 03 New
              +3
              Quote: 3axap82
              400 aircraft of which are 200 f-16, the largest land army in NATO after the USA, the largest fleet of the Black Sea in 4,5 times the size of the Russian one.

              The thing is that now is not the 40s of the last century. With modern means of delivery, industrial and vital facilities will be attacked. 5-6 Hiroshima-type warheads and industry will stop. Under such conditions, their army cannot fight. Well, the whole North Atlantic pack will loudly yap at a distance, because it’s not a lordly business to visit environmentally disadvantaged places.
              1. Simara
                Simara 28 November 2015 21: 19 New
                0
                in NATO and Estonia with the Baltic states and dwarf states are .. so the second in NATO is not an indicator))
            4. polkovnik manuch
              polkovnik manuch 29 November 2015 07: 48 New
              0
              There is such a saying, I think it just fits the Turkish armed forces: "Big when falling - thunders harder." Do not forget that the power of the army is measured not only by the number of weapons, but also by the preparedness, training and finally the fighting spirit of the soldiers and commanders of Erdogan, the army does not like, if not hate it, because it was he who "drove her into the stall", destroyed the elite, would be smarter, I would read the history of the Second World War, than the purges in the army in 41g turned personally for the USSR.
              1. user3970
                user3970 29 November 2015 09: 48 New
                0
                Here, dear Colonel, I strongly disagree with you. It is a pity that Stalin did not completely clean out the Army ... Zhukov with his 4 classes left the chief of the General Staff of the Supreme Soviet on the outbreak of war. A person who could not even read cards (Rokossovsky). As a result, the Germans reached Moscow.
        4. Uncle Misha
          Uncle Misha 26 November 2015 12: 48 New
          +2
          both in Asia and in Europe. Istanbul and the one half in Asia, half in Europe. The Bosphorus is Turkish on both banks, and this is bad ...
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 27 November 2015 02: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Uncle Misha
            both in Asia and in Europe. Istanbul and the one half in Asia, half in Europe. The Bosphorus is Turkish on both banks, and this is bad ...

            prohibition of passage of straits - automatic declaration of war to us from the Turks.
            as a result, Constantinople will become the capital of the Russian Orthodox Church.
          2. Simara
            Simara 28 November 2015 21: 20 New
            0
            the coast can be expanded to ... such a state when there will be no Turkish territory off the coast of the Bosphorus))) Sakharov’s product may well expand the Bosphorus from Serbia to Syria)
        5. bhdir1946
          bhdir1946 26 November 2015 12: 58 New
          +9
          Every fool is called a Turk to us (N.S. Khrushchev)
        6. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 26 November 2015 13: 06 New
          +3
          .... I think Turkey in Asia. Not?..

          ...Tooting!!!!... good ..... And the article is magnificent !!!! .... Pleased with logic and clarity .... good
        7. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 26 November 2015 13: 24 New
          +5
          Quote: alex321
          I think Turkey in Asia. Not?

          A very small part of Turkey is located in Europe and borders on land with Bulgaria. Therefore, Turkey fell into the NATO bloc.
        8. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 26 November 2015 13: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: alex321
          I think Turkey in Asia. Not?

          For the most part. yes
        9. spravochnik
          spravochnik 26 November 2015 14: 41 New
          +1
          Actually, Turkey is in Europe and Asia.
        10. woron333444
          woron333444 26 November 2015 15: 48 New
          +1
          Half in Asia, half in Europe
        11. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 27 November 2015 04: 29 New
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          Quote: alex321
          I think Turkey in Asia. Not?

          By the way, the very fact of the existence of modern Turkey is the result of the idealism of the leadership of the USSR.

          did not quite understand this phrase .. recourse
          Turkey is our enemy, but didn’t depend on existence of Wishlist ..
        12. sssla
          sssla 28 November 2015 22: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: alex321
          I think Turkey in Asia. Not?

          The fact that the red part of Turkey but in the European part! So Russia is part of it in Europe and part in Asia!
        13. bumbarash
          bumbarash 29 November 2015 10: 12 New
          0
          part of turkey in europe
      2. Now we are free
        Now we are free 26 November 2015 13: 40 New
        12
        Thanks to the author of the article for a competent and concise state of affairs.
        Turkey, alas, repeated the mistake made before it by Georgia and Ukraine.

        Mini story - "In the yard".
        Turkey is like a small yard school to ... si (got to the bottom) to the athlete. And when she received in response "Bream" (not even a blow), she jumped sharply and screamed
        -Here now you have the PC! Now you will regret now my elder brother will come with friends and he will finish off you like a tortoise God! .. Barack, Baraak! Turkey screams turning around, BUT NO BACK BEHIND.
        -Well, where is your older brother and his friends? The athlete asks leisurely taking off his Olympic jacket.
        -Baraaaak !!! Turkey is already screaming heart-rendingly.
        -I'm here! a voice comes from somewhere around the corner of a distant house
        -Oh! Turning to the athlete and wiping snot smiling Turkey -I heard? Now he will come here and they’ll twist you into a ram’s horn! .. -A sportsman carefully folding the Olympic jacket to the ground and flexing his joints, as if not understanding something, shakes his head. -What is scary? About ...? Are you sorry you jerked at me ?.
        - No, I’m just wondering which P ... you’re all climbing from? What is Georgia, what is Ukraine, what are you now ...
        -What kind of P ...? In the sense? What are you saying?!?
        -Yes, that neither your brother nor his friends will come up here ... So, of course they will stand around the corner and support you morally, but climb no ... As confirmation from around the corner, Barack's voice is heard.
        -Erdoganchik, come on brother, as I taught you in two, two! Shket with hysteria while looking at an athlete approaching him
        -Baraaaaaak! .. From around the corner again
        - Brother himself, himself! He was just such an athlete! By his little deuce by his deuce! Athlete swinging, without malice, but rather with some sort of sadness and even sympathy for Erdoganchik
        -I warned you ...

        A CURTAIN.
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    4. 79807420129
      79807420129 26 November 2015 12: 23 New
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      I think a very good answer will be if Syria closes the border with Turkey and stops the supply of oil to Erdogan, for the money it is a Turkish scarecrow, will itself choke on and continue to destroy the oil infrastructure of the igil.
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 26 November 2015 12: 32 New
        +3
        Constantinople (Istanbul) needs to be taken ... (Former Byzantine Empire, Russia its follower ... Third Rome, the so-called)))) Even under tsarist Russia this was sought, but alas, this is only a dream ... But we are striving for it gradually!
        1. Altona
          Altona 26 November 2015 12: 41 New
          +8
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Constantinople (Istanbul) needs to be taken ... (Former Byzantine Empire, Russia a follower of it ..

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          Laurels of Prince Oleg do not let you sleep? Do you personally want to nail a new shield to the gates of St. Sophia? laughing
          1. MIKHAN
            MIKHAN 26 November 2015 12: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: Altona
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Constantinople (Istanbul) needs to be taken ... (Former Byzantine Empire, Russia a follower of it ..

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            Laurels of Prince Oleg do not let you sleep? Do you personally want to nail a new shield to the gates of St. Sophia? laughing

            I will not live .. hi Maybe my children and grandchildren ..? soldier
          2. PSih2097
            PSih2097 27 November 2015 02: 37 New
            0
            Quote: Altona
            Laurels of Prince Oleg do not give sleep? Do you personally want to nail a new shield to the gates of St. Sophia? laughing

            I wouldn’t refuse ...
        2. Vikxnumx
          Vikxnumx 26 November 2015 15: 15 New
          +4
          You in the Marine Corps Black Sea Fleet!
          Their task!
          am
    5. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 26 November 2015 12: 42 New
      15
      "... the Russian army will dance a bloody jig on these calluses. Every day. Until every militant who believes in the dream of a new Ottoman Empire is eliminated."

      These words and actions are oil on the wounds of our souls.
      Only to the end!

      "... The very history of Russia, based on the example of Bulgaria, Turkey and even Ukraine, teaches us that mercy and idealism, regardless of motivation, are a dangerous luxury in geopolitics. However, it is worth looking into the future with a certain optimism, since we have there is every chance of correcting some historical mistakes. "

      But with these words, the author confirmed many of our beliefs.
      These thoughts must be denounced in the form of the actions of real politics.

      I repeat in my convictions that our generosity and humanism, based on Russian blood and self-sacrifice in the name of our ideals, have been violated by the West and their sixes. History has shown that our Gift was not appreciated and neglected.
      We have our own concept of historical justice. Better hang yourself, vorogi.
      1. vladnn2015
        vladnn2015 26 November 2015 13: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: SibSlavRus
        Victory will be expensive and not soon, but it will be ours.

        Here are the main words in this article!
    6. Oper6300
      Oper6300 26 November 2015 13: 06 New
      +2
      The article is a plus, but there is a more detailed analysis: http: //interpolit.ru/blog/sny_o_bosfore/2015-11-25-6063
    7. Dikson
      Dikson 26 November 2015 13: 15 New
      +2
      Uha-ha .. "The possibility of an embargo is not discussed .." Peskov. What are we fighting for?
      1. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 26 November 2015 15: 58 New
        +3
        Often this red-haired "talking head" of the Kremlin is more annoying with its judgments. Personally, I do not see any payload in its existence. Somehow they did without it before. Only this functionary of administrative and state administration of a liberal persuasion (it is difficult to call this individual nationally oriented, knowing his biography) forgets that there is also the legislative branch and its apparatus and management tools, independent in their decisions. And the legislature has the right to call the executive (government) "on the carpet."
        Although the executive branch has been a great insurer by the creation of "United Russia" and its implementation through the use of administrative resources in the State Duma and Federation Council. This explains a lot in the creeping antisocial politics of liberoids and their protection of their interests.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 26 November 2015 21: 14 New
          0
          Sibslavrus

          At the expense of EP, well noticed. I just could not understand what the national interests of United Russia are. Now he drove in, where the dog rummaged.
    8. Tor5
      Tor5 26 November 2015 13: 18 New
      +1
      I want to believe that the methods described by the Author will be applied to Turkey in full and even more.
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  2. Rus2012
    26 November 2015 12: 15 New
    +7
    In public, the Ottomans need to be as hard and loud as possible! As hard as possible ... to feel the uterus tremble!
    BUT ... when they become lukewarm to hint at the "conditions of forgiveness." Already they say "they reach", to the surrender of perdogan and "vile pack" ...

    It is a paradoxical thought - to deliver an extremely tough ultimatum .... and through "thin channels" - to give a "frank proposal". The essence of which is to get away from 3,14ndosia, otherwise there will be "painful-atata" and the Ottoman Empire will not ... there will be a frank "lunar landscape".
    This is offered by the elders and the prophets (Ninth), as well as BER. Next is a matter of technology ...
    With which we must agree.
    1. anfil
      anfil 26 November 2015 12: 41 New
      +7
      Before giving a strong slap in the face, you need to take out all the lovers to warm your belly on the Turkish coast as soon as possible, then your hands will be more or less untied. According to their reports, there are now about 10 thousand heated.
      And those who like to bask in the sun should remember the hits of the 60-70s. the song "Migratory birds are flying"
      <...>
      Migratory birds fly past summer look
      They fly to hot countries
      And I do not want to fly away
      And I stay with you my dear side
      I do not need someone else's sun
      Foreign land is not needed
      1. gunya
        gunya 26 November 2015 18: 46 New
        +2
        There are words:

        And I stay with you my dear side
        I don’t need the Turkish coast,
        Foreign land is not needed
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 29 November 2015 04: 31 New
          0
          There are many words there, and it’s not proper to give them an inaccurate arrangement:

          Migratory birds fly in autumn blue distance
          They fly to hot countries
          I stay with you
          And I stay with you native country forever
          I do not need a Turkish coast
          And I don't need Africa
  3. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 26 November 2015 12: 15 New
    +9
    Turkey has everything in front of emptied resorts, unclaimed agricultural products, curtailment of investments, etc. etc. Only Russian gas will remain in exchange for the passage of the Ships of the Russian Federation through the straits. I hope the GDP will not fail and this will not be limited.
    1. Rus2012
      26 November 2015 12: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir71
      only Russian gas will remain in exchange for the passage of the Ships of the Russian Federation through the straits

      "Only Russian gas will remain in exchange for the passage of Russian ships through the straits" - this is not enough !!!
      We need at least "keys to the straits"! This is one of the key conditions for "an ultimatum to a perdogan for all his good." And then we'll see ...
      1. Rus2012
        26 November 2015 15: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Rus2012
        And then we'll see ...

        ... and meanwhile, pressure is rising -
        Russia has deployed the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system in Syria, a RIA Novosti correspondent reports.

        On Wednesday it became known that Russian President Vladimir Putin approved the request of the Ministry of Defense for the deployment of the latest S-400 air defense system at the Khmeimim airbase. This was done after a Turkish fighter jet shot down a Russian Su-24, which was involved in an operation against terrorists from the Islamic State in Syria. One pilot was killed, the navigator was rescued. The S-400, together with the Fort complex of the Moskva missile cruiser, which has already arrived on the shores of Syria, will ensure the safety of the Russian air group's flights and destroy any targets that pose a threat to it.

        Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation for Military-Technical Cooperation Vladimir Kozhin told reporters that the S-400 sent to Syria will not be sold, but will return to Russia after completing tasks.


        ... and note to those thinking -

        26.11.2015
        Ukraine and Turkey agreed on cooperation to strengthen security in the Black Sea

        The parties plan to begin joint construction of defense industry facilities
        The authorities of Ukraine and Turkey have agreed on cooperation to enhance the security of the Black Sea. This was announced on Thursday by the press service of the state defense concern Ukroboronprom.
        "Ukraine and Turkey will jointly build the maritime industry to enhance security and protection in the Black Sea. This direction will be one of the key aspects of cooperation between the countries," the press service of the concern quotes RIA Novosti.
        It is reported that Ukroboronprom has set a course to attract foreign investment in the state’s defense industry complex. This was discussed at Turkey Defense Week 2015. Also during the events, a number of strategic negotiations took place in the framework of cooperation between Ukraine and Western partners.


        You need to have time to break these ties ... They were already in the plans for provocation to bring down the Su-24
        1. your1970
          your1970 26 November 2015 19: 16 New
          0
          Ukroboronprom-that says it all, it is they who will back the bulk of the money, and will appropriate the remnants of the Turks ...
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 26 November 2015 12: 27 New
      0
      I’ll just note that both Beko and Ephesus are produced at our factories, so you need to re-profile them first - otherwise, you’ll only harm your own.
      1. Rus2012
        26 November 2015 12: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: lelikas
        I just note that both Beko and Ephesus are produced in our factories, so you need to re-profile them first

        ...what for?
        Make them yours. And business ...
      2. Rus2012
        26 November 2015 12: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Altona
        NATO is primarily America, Europeans do not want to spend money on guns ...

        it is so!
        BUT...
        Recall
        they only threatened анlanda 10bn with a fine that the general sucks the bank - he immediately refused to sell us Mistrals for 1bn.
        Ani German was fined 18bn by the VAG group - after which Deutschland faces bankruptcy - how will her aunt act?
        This is just a flowery, given that the occupation forces of the 3,14 end up on the longland more than the German army.
    3. gaura
      gaura 26 November 2015 12: 37 New
      +3
      Do not dream of resorts. More Germans visit them than Russians. And in general, a holy place does not happen empty, than a couple of years others will take beaches
      1. Rus2012
        26 November 2015 12: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: gaura
        More Germans visit them than Russians.

        ...for God's sake!
        The Germans are not dumber than ours, where you smell of gunpowder you will not lure ...
      2. yuriy55
        yuriy55 29 November 2015 05: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: gaura
        Do not dream of resorts. More Germans visit them than Russians. And indeed a holy place does not happen empty than a couple of years others will take the beaches


        I'll tell you more, the fewer Russians travel to Turkey, the more Germans will appear there who don't like Tagil annealing, especially in May, between the 1st and 10th ... laughing

        My personal opinion:
        Now there is some kind of mass psychosis, whipping up hysteria according to the well-known principle: "Let's figure it out in detail and punish just anyone" ...

        It is known with absolute accuracy that the destruction of our aircraft in Syria was planned in the Obama administration (let there be such a common name, I do not know the specific ranks and names of the persons involved), with its full consent ... What is the reaction to these facts?

        The plane was shot down with the permission of Erdogan. Not with the permission of the owner of the hotel, receiving Russian tourists; not a builder working on construction sites in Moscow; not a merchant of consumer goods and products that we buy, carry, use, eat ... Let’s deal with those who organized it ...

        Or in 1945, after the Victory, we began indiscriminately to spread rot all the German people? Perhaps that is why among German citizens an understanding of the situation of that time, the perception, for granted, of all the consequences and agreements of the section? And what, over time, our attitude to the German people is equivalent to the Hitler regime? We stopped driving cars made in Germany and used household appliances made there?

        It is weak to officially call Erdogan and his family a war criminal, an accomplice of ISIS, with all the consequences. Let the Turkish people deal with this leader, let the Kurds put his brains in place (or knock him out ?!)

        The time when it was possible to say: "We will fight while it is required by the leadership of Syria (any other country)," is over. If we have taken up arms, we are participants in a military conflict (even in an anti-terrorist operation). And, in war, as in war - either you are the winner or the defeated. There are no half measures here.

        Well, yes, these are my thoughts. And on Monday, Erdogan will meet with Putin, and if he doesn’t fall at his feet ... everything can be different.
        what
      3. uragan114
        uragan114 29 November 2015 11: 12 New
        0
        Quote: gaura
        Do not dream of resorts. More Germans visit them than Russians. And in general, a holy place does not happen empty, than a couple of years others will take beaches


        But our money is spent more, and the Germans are fisted.
    4. anfil
      anfil 26 November 2015 12: 58 New
      +2
      I heard that even if Turkey wanted to close the strait, nothing would come of it as it would violate international agreements, which is why many experts call the closure of this transport route unlikely. The mode of passage of ships through the Bosporus and Dardanelles is regulated by the Montreux Convention of the 1936 of the year, which was signed, among other things, by representatives of Turkey and the USSR. So, merchant ships can freely pass through the straits at any time of the day, "regardless of the flag and cargo."
      According to experts, from a legal point of view, Ankara cannot ban the passage of ships with Russian cargo, including military. All of them are protected not only by the convention, but also by the fact that most carriers fly under the flags of countries that are “convenient” for registration, and not Russia. For example, last year, 21% of the total world fleet deadweight fell on ships flying the Panama flags, 12% - Liberia, 9% - the Marshall Islands, 8% - Hong Kong and 6% - Singapore.

      According to the Turkish Ministry of Transport, over the 2013 year 74,3 thousand ships passed through the straits on both sides, of which 38,2 thousand passed through the Bosphorus. The cargo turnover of the ports of the Azov-Black Sea basin grew by 5,2% for nine months of this year. However, carriers are not afraid of possible bans, noting that there is no reason for panic right now.
      About the goods!
      From Wednesday, the customs authorities of the Russian Federation switched to the procedure of full inspection of goods arriving from Turkey, representatives of several logistics companies told Interfax.

      According to one of them, 100% control has been introduced "in both directions" and also applies to exports from Russia to Turkey.

      "According to oral information, from today, when submitting a DT (declaration for goods - IF), in which in column 2, or in columns 11, 15, 16, 34" Turkey "is indicated, the post will refuse to accept declarations. If the cargo is transported by Turkish carrier, then the sanctions will be similar, "- such a memo was circulated among their employees on Wednesday by operators working with the Smolensk customs office (cargoes delivered from Turkey through Bulgaria are processed there).

      An employee of a large foreign company - an importer of components for mechanical engineering, confirmed to Interfax that any cargo from Turkey had been transferred from partial to full inspection, which actually makes the processing time unpredictable.
  4. svetoruss
    svetoruss 26 November 2015 12: 15 New
    10
    I think that the most interesting answers from Russia will begin in 10 days, when most of the tourists leave Turkey ...
    1. SCHNIFER
      SCHNIFER 26 November 2015 12: 27 New
      +3
      Is anyone unbearable? Let's wait. Let the Janissaries calm down a bit, their vigilance will dull.
    2. SteelRatTV
      SteelRatTV 26 November 2015 12: 35 New
      +2
      Personally, I am looking forward to the end of the now standard "incubation period". bully hi
      1. SCHNIFER
        SCHNIFER 26 November 2015 12: 40 New
        +3
        There is an inner conviction that the answer will severely shock the Ottomans. I do not know why. But I understood right away, after evaluating what had happened, the Guarantor. hi
    3. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 26 November 2015 13: 27 New
      0
      The tourists who stayed there need to perform some micro-sabotage actions - piss the pools, quietly break furniture in the rooms, ... well, and the like. I think that our people have developed a fantasy.
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 26 November 2015 13: 59 New
        +5
        Quote: Al_oriso
        The tourists who stayed there need to perform some micro-sabotage actions - piss the pools, quietly break furniture in the rooms, ... well, and the like. I think that our people have developed a fantasy.

        And the main thing is that with mats all over Antalya .... The Turks understand this well! But alas, this will not happen .. There is a resting office plankton with swamp mostly (they will soon come out with a march of "millionaires"! Siberia, the Urals are working for the defense of Russia, they have no time to rest! hi
      2. Ayujak
        Ayujak 26 November 2015 14: 25 New
        0
        This is said strongly! laughing laughing laughing
  5. as150505
    as150505 26 November 2015 12: 16 New
    +6
    Crush them in the tail and mane of urkogans
  6. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 November 2015 12: 16 New
    +7
    It's time to wet the Ottomans ... Something their memory is clogged! Forgotten devils forgot how our ancestors taught them the mind!
  7. Vik66
    Vik66 26 November 2015 12: 18 New
    +2
    I agree with the author for all 100!
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 November 2015 12: 20 New
    +4
    detachments of "Turkomans" in Syria are about the same as the LPNR for Russia

    Today on the 5th channel M. Shevchenko put it worse - for Turkey, the territory on which Turkomans live is like Crimea for us. He also argued that it was necessary to prove that IG oil goes to Turkey, that radicals go to Syria through the Turkish border, etc. Therefore, is it any wonder the statements of some American Kagan. His clever enough.
    1. valentber
      valentber 26 November 2015 16: 48 New
      0
      Shevchenko pretends to be his board and at the same time an honest man. Unexpected attack! On channel 5, everyone is a bit liberal. Shame!!!crying
  9. Air Force captain
    Air Force captain 26 November 2015 12: 21 New
    +6
    Urrrrra ... u change the loan on Credit Europe Bank .. which I confess I forgot to pay (I completely scored) ... and then I also have to score on them .... Now my conscience is clear good
  10. mik0588
    mik0588 26 November 2015 12: 22 New
    11
    The situation is reminiscent of the Georgian attack on South Ossetia. Then Saakashvili and his patrons were sure that Russia would not answer, and Saakashvili was sure that the United States would stand up for him. More similarities: Erdogan imagines himself a sovereign in the Blvd. Vostok, Saakashvili imagines himself a sovereign in the Transcaucasus. Saakashvili supported the radical Ismailists in the North Caucasus, Erdogan supports the same radical Ismailists in the Blanc Vostok.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 29 November 2015 05: 27 New
      0
      The situation resembles the attack of Georgians in South Ossetia


      To refresh memory: (from 13:14)
  11. hartlend
    hartlend 26 November 2015 12: 23 New
    +8
    I agree with the author. You can start with yourself and vote in rubles. "I do not buy Turkish goods and services." Here's a new slogan.
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  12. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 26 November 2015 12: 24 New
    +4
    Well, what kind of character does Russia have, tries to do good to everyone, and as a result we get dirty tricks and constantly make a bunch of enemies, maybe it’s time to end with charity, you still can’t please everyone, even the sun cannot please everyone.
  13. Tjeck
    Tjeck 26 November 2015 12: 27 New
    +3
    I will say this, I generally approve of our response to the Turks, but I am not satisfied. For such an incident, our reaction is pretty light. I’m even afraid to imagine the reaction of the USSR or the same Americans. But most of all I do not understand the motives of the Turks, I do not believe that the personal business of Erdogan’s son with Daesh has more weight than the relationship of two states. In my opinion, here the legs grow because of the thirtieth kingdom, the thirtieth state ...
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 26 November 2015 12: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: Tjeck
      I’m even afraid to imagine the reaction of the USSR

      I, too, at first thought that the Soviet reaction would have been hard, but recently I came across a situation with the Soviet MiG-23 shot down by Pakistan. Everything was light there too.
      If you look at the situation with the Su-24 not with a hot head, then, in principle, this gives the Russian Federation enormous opportunities. Now we can (and ALREADY DO) hammer all Turkomans ("brothers" of Erdogan's rat), his fuel trucks and other columns in the Stone Age. Nor will they dare to utter a word. I am sure that now ours will better cover the bombers. They will supply a couple of S-400 battalions and drive more fighters.
      I am sure that the Russian Federation has consistently provided itself with long-term stays in BVs, which means that we have gained leverage over all processes there, which are most often directed against including.
      1. Tjeck
        Tjeck 26 November 2015 13: 12 New
        +1
        It is because of the placement of s-300/400 that I approve of our answer. In theory, this will give us complete control not only over the notorious Turks, but also over all flights on the territory of Syria. This certainly plays a big role for us, but nevertheless, purely humanly, I would like to see how the blood of the Turkish leaders will be shed. Well, or for example, the blockade of the Turkish fleet in their own strait would be a worthy answer.
    2. sa-zz
      sa-zz 26 November 2015 12: 46 New
      0
      In my opinion, here the legs grow because of the thirtieth kingdom, the thirtieth state.

      This was stated in the article
  14. sledge
    sledge 26 November 2015 12: 28 New
    +3
    Although I put the article +, I want to say this. In such incidents, the "Analytico" army always appears, which begin to calculate the options for the possible development of events. Do nothing? Or just try hunting? Only the President and his entourage know the steps that will be taken by Russia. And to prepare these steps, there is the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Ministry of Defense and the FSB and other structures called upon to defend our Motherland. It remains only to hope that these steps will be extremely balanced and justified.
    1. sa-zz
      sa-zz 26 November 2015 12: 48 New
      +1
      Only the President and his entourage know the steps that will be taken by Russia

      And let them also read, perhaps it will be useful, a view from the side, so to speak.
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 26 November 2015 13: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: Sanya
      Although I put the article +, I want to say this. In such incidents, the "Analytico" army always appears, which begin to calculate the options for the possible development of events. Do nothing? Or just try hunting?

      Do not be offended, but this is a forum. The owners of this site collect the opinions of various readers and someone, somewhere, does an analysis about the Russian-language readers of this site. Most of them are Russians.
      The site is located in Germany. Why suddenly in Germany? What was weak in Mordovia to do? That is why it is allowed to write anything. It is important to collect information about Russians, as they think, about patriotism, someone gives out secret information, about the mental abilities of readers (example: many ask - Turkey is in Asia, how did it get into NATO, and that part of Turkey borders on Europe by land with Bulgaria, they don’t even suspect). This indicates a decline in education. Many people write nonsense without even checking their words with the help of search engines. Those. do not know how to use modern gadgets, etc. Thus, this site gives full information about what the residents of Russia are, and, of course, military secrets, blinded out, by some bouncers.
      1. Ayujak
        Ayujak 26 November 2015 14: 36 New
        0
        You are partly right. But, this is not a problem. The problem is that the "Western world" thinks of Russia in hackneyed cliches. Whether a Russian with seven spans in his forehead or a complete tunduk - the attitude is always the same - "barbarians from the east." This is probably all at the genetic level - the so-called genetic memory. The centuries-old history of relations between Russia and the "West" is an example of this.
  15. engineer74
    engineer74 26 November 2015 12: 33 New
    +1
    ... The Kremlin will ensure that Turkey is perceived on the international stage as a country sponsoring international terrorism.

    Actually, the war on the side of the terrorists is not sponsorship! And the rest is all on the topic.
    PS I would, to revive the situation, without any explanation, start distributing reminders to Russian tourists in Turkey about actions in the center of nuclear and chemical damage! I do not call for WMD attacks, not an expert, but you can touch the Turks! wink
  16. sa-zz
    sa-zz 26 November 2015 12: 33 New
    +2
    There is evidence, and now they will be methodically used in the framework of the work of all international structures


    Unambiguously, a lot of things that were not "taken out" of political and economic correctness will now come out.
  17. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 26 November 2015 12: 34 New
    +1
    The Turkish-American provocation made the whole world look anxiously into the future.
    Janissary he is in Africa Janissary. But why so stupid? In the meantime, you are an outcast Erdogan. Against Putin, you are Amoeba. And something seems to me your political life is short-lived. Time will judge and punish the guilty. Know how to cook it yourself.
    1. 3axap82
      3axap82 26 November 2015 12: 41 New
      0
      Amoebas attack Russian planes, shoot them down, and then brazenly declare that this is justified. And they get nothing in return. TChK nothing to add. All other conversation in the style of "yes, I g .. but did not eat, I chose potatoes from it, and they are stupid"
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    1. Wolka
      Wolka 26 November 2015 12: 56 New
      +1
      as for the Janissaries, then you’re absolutely wrong, your colleague, Janissaries are not Turks, this is a relatively autonomous military caste among Turkish society, as a rule, these are boys abducted by Turks from the countries of southern Russia, Transcaucasia, the Balkan countries, as well as countries of northern Africa and the European Mediterranean , educated and professionally trained soldiers, in fact, this is a kind of Turkish army special forces, distinguished not only by special cruelty and ferocity on the battlefield, but by its financing and maintenance, unlike the rest of the Turkish army ...
      1. valentber
        valentber 26 November 2015 16: 58 New
        0
        Quote: Volka
        from southern Russia

        Please specify what do you mean? For the first time I hear that in the south of Russia there are some countries. laughing
  19. PQ-18
    PQ-18 26 November 2015 12: 35 New
    +1
    Slurred coexistence in FOREIGN POLICY ALWAYS leads to similar consequences!
    Americans DO NOT HESITATE to write down the countries and regimes they dislike as villains, and we strive with the last bit of strength to "preserve good-neighborly relations" when they openly and brazenly shit on us ...
    Turks occupy neighboring countries and support Daesh with all their might ..
    It's time to take their brains out to the UN Security Council, and then ... "do bo-bo in all holes"
  20. Ivan Slavyanin
    Ivan Slavyanin 26 November 2015 12: 36 New
    +3
    Suvorov told his soldiers near Ishmael: "The first onslaught of a Turk is the strongest and most powerful, then he cannot beat with the same force!"
    1. Mikhal
      Mikhal 28 November 2015 19: 44 New
      0
      So it will be in this last war for them. They will decide that they win, but will be defeated. 2 months left. Constantinople will be taken by Russia and given to the Greeks.
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 29 November 2015 05: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Ivan Slav
      Suvorov told his soldiers near Ishmael: "The first onslaught of a Turk is the strongest and most powerful, then he cannot beat with the same force!"


      With Suvorov, in such a situation, Erdogan’s head would have been brought on a tray long ago ...
  21. knn54
    knn54 26 November 2015 12: 36 New
    0
    The conflict in Syria was Ankara's “debut” as a contender for regional hegemony.
    The Turkish leadership on the principle of "... all means are good" seeks like a maniac to overthrow Assad. Ankara will not turn off from this course until it reaches its goal. Any other option for the Turkish leadership is unacceptable: urgently need the title of regional leader. Otherwise, no one will seriously reckon with Turkey ...
  22. askort154
    askort154 26 November 2015 12: 37 New
    +3
    Unfortunately, the most vulnerable place in our region is the Bosphorus.
  23. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 26 November 2015 12: 38 New
    +1
    I remembered against the background of the events of recent days about the stories of my mother, and she, in turn, from her grandmother. So, the granny kingdom to her ... was something like a worshiper, and at one time she spoke of iron birds and wire that enveloped the earth. And about the last terrible war between Russia and Turkey. God grant that my grandmother was mistaken.
  24. sa-zz
    sa-zz 26 November 2015 12: 39 New
    0
    the strings leading to Washington are visible to the naked eye


    As usual. They learned to shit perfectly, but after that there is always a stench. Until the stench clears away, you need to let the "partners" smell it.
    1. anfil
      anfil 26 November 2015 12: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: sa-zz

      As usual. They learned to shit perfectly, but after that there is always a stench. Until the stench clears away, you need to let the "partners" smell it.

      They have been shitting on them since ancient times, it is not for nothing that the author writes:"... Soon Thanksgiving Day is perhaps the most vile and dirtiest holiday known to mankind, a holiday of betrayal as a lifestyle and a strategy for success ..."

      Thanksgiving -The roots of this holiday go deep into American history, to the very first immigrants from England, who arrived on the shores of America in 1620 in the now famous Mayflower. They landed after a heavy voyage through the stormy ocean in the current state of Massachusetts on a frosty November day and founded the Plymouth colony.

      More than half of about a hundred arrivals could not survive the harsh winter and died from cold, hunger and disease. Survivors founded a colony in the spring with the help of local Indians, especially Squanto, who taught them what crops and how to grow on this inhospitable rocky soil, began to cultivate the land. The unexpectedly rich harvest was the reward for their efforts. The first governor of the colonists, W. Bradford, proposed spending the day giving thanks to the Lord. For the festival in the fall of 1621, the pilgrim fathers invited the leader and 90 Indians of the tribe that helped them survive in unfamiliar conditions. This meal, shared with the Indians, was the first Thanksgiving celebration. Subsequently, the colonists celebrated a good harvest with occasional Thanksgiving festivals.


      Well, what happened in the following years with the indigenous inhabitants of this continent you yourself know.
      1. Beaver
        Beaver 29 November 2015 13: 19 New
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        The author hinted at another "story". In that area, wild birds were found in abundance, very large and clumsy, hunting them was easy, and the meat turned out to be tasty and nutritious. Many of the colonists survived to the first harvest almost exclusively on this meat. In "gratitude" for the miraculous salvation, millions of turkeys are killed and roasted every year for the holiday. request
        And with the Indians, yes, it also somehow "turned out badly." repeat
  25. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 26 November 2015 12: 39 New
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    The West and Turkey, of course, are trying to minimize this incident, which once again suggests that they just don't give a damn about such problems. These are not their losses, but they don’t understand that for Russians, any death is a tragedy, and even more so a death of such a bestial nature - Especially. And you can’t endure it anymore. Instead of our pilot, any of us could turn out to be and they would do the same to any of us. Who will swallow it?
    1. 3axap82
      3axap82 26 November 2015 12: 54 New
      +1
      Turkey will try to minimize the incident !? They directly stated that in their opinion they justifiably shot down the plane, they knew that it was Russian. Where is the minimization of the incident here, they didn’t call either apologize or mistake.
      Turkey acknowledged that we did it, everything - and you eat as you want.
  26. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 November 2015 12: 41 New
    +3
    Quote: Sanya
    Although I put the article +, I want to say this. In such incidents, the "Analytico" army always appears, which begin to calculate the options for the possible development of events. Do nothing? Or just try hunting?

    bully Well, what to do with them ..? While this is going on ... But seriously, everything will go on! angry
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 26 November 2015 13: 04 New
      +8
      And here is the caricature of 1958)))) How is everything familiar .... bully
  27. Wolka
    Wolka 26 November 2015 12: 44 New
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    amusing, the author did not in vain throw the address ...
  28. Engineer
    Engineer 26 November 2015 12: 50 New
    +3
    I'm not mercantile at all, but hurt:

    Heaven suddenly turned into hell for me
    A treacherous blow from around the corner ...
    I am a plane with the soul of man
    With special wing geometry.

    When they beat in the back, they know - they will not miss,
    What are the vulnerabilities ...
    And the pain that started somewhere in the fuselage,
    It pierces from the cab to the tail.

    What the hell is going on in this world ?!
    Do not see me through the fire and smoke.
    I'm not Charlie, I'm Su-Xnumx
    And where are the tablets with my name?

    Piquet will tighten ... Dizziness
    Shuffles everything into a kaleidoscope.
    I have not been given a chance to escape
    I meet the inevitable directly in the forehead.

    Earth will embrace to take forever
    My recorder let him cover the darkness.
    I am a plane with the soul of man
    With special wing geometry.

    Sergey Efimov
  29. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 26 November 2015 12: 53 New
    +1
    Turkish-American provocation

    I fully agree !!!
  30. Rostislav
    Rostislav 26 November 2015 12: 55 New
    +2
    I think that the most interesting answers from Russia will begin in 10 days, when most of the tourists leave Turkey ...

    That's right, no need to fuss.
    How does a normal bull act?
    That's right, he will slowly get drunk on water (deploy C400), eat grass (prepare "calibers", X101 and everything else), slowly go down the mountain and ... hold an educational conversation with the herd (stop the construction of a nuclear power plant in Turkey, start checking tenders won by Turkish construction firms, etc.)
  31. Tusv
    Tusv 26 November 2015 12: 58 New
    +3
    Once again, I will quote Lelik's words: "I will hit carefully, but hard."
    -SES is authorized to declare that there would be a reason, and there will be a bacillus
    -Russian clubs will not conduct a traditional gathering
    -MO announced that Moscow, Grunt and an additional fighter squadron would be on duty.
    Already Erdogan from the Sultan turns into his beloved wife in a dog pose
  32. Vovanya
    Vovanya 26 November 2015 13: 05 New
    +1
    "The very history of Russia, on the example of Bulgaria, Turkey and even Ukraine, teaches us that mercy and idealism, regardless of motivation, are a dangerous luxury in geopolitics."
    Who helps people - he spends time in vain.
    Good deeds cannot be glorified. (Assumption E.)
    1. xtur
      xtur 26 November 2015 14: 22 New
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      > "The very history of Russia, using the example of Bulgaria, Turkey and even Ukraine, teaches us that mercy and idealism, regardless of motivation, are a dangerous luxury in geopolitics."

      the author does not understand geopolitics well enough. At one time, the Russian authorities in Bulgaria did not take into account that the position of the elite may more than substantially diverge from the position of the people. AND the elite, as a rule, has all the levers of controlling the people. Therefore, the formation of the right elite in the right state should always be the focus of current policy
  33. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 26 November 2015 13: 11 New
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    PMSM, your forecasts are too optimistic ...
    For example:
    However, it is worth looking into the future with a certain optimism, since we have every chance fix some historical errors.

    Do you think that having started what they started, they will continue to conduct a fair fight? I doubt it very much. In addition, the Turks, in spite of everything, will be supported in the organized crime groups of NATO and the USA, and ... we’ll look at the EU’s account.
  34. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 26 November 2015 13: 17 New
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    Now we have no restrictions in terms of the risk of offending Turkey

    As I understand it, almost every country now has limitations in terms of offending Russia.
  35. todhunter
    todhunter 26 November 2015 13: 18 New
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    Quote: Captain Air Force
    Urrrrra ... u change the loan on Credit Europe Bank .. which I confess I forgot to pay (I completely scored) ... and then I also have to score on them .... Now my conscience is clear good

    Me too. We hammer on payment !!!
  36. Zomanus
    Zomanus 26 November 2015 13: 18 New
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    As I wrote yesterday, Turkey for its stupid deeds
    removed from us all kinds of restrictions on the choice of methods for destroying ISIS.
    So we tried not to infringe her too much,
    and now we will show what a "fast ride" is.
  37. win
    win 26 November 2015 13: 26 New
    +4
    The statement by Federation Council speaker Valentina Matvienko that Russia expects an apology and redress from Turkey is not entirely clear. What, what on this false apology and compensation for damage, the whole reaction of Russia will be limited? Why do we need these apologies? Who needs them?

    And what does reparation mean? If we really want this from the Turks, it means that we are not going to shoot down their planes if they violate the Syrian-Turkish border or the next attack of the planes of the Russian air forces, because why bring down the plane if you pay for it later? Why then are we dragging an S-400 to Syria? Let them bring down, and then apologize and redress ...
    One gets the feeling that we are making it clear to everyone that they can easily bring down our aircraft, since for a downed aircraft we will continue to ask only for apologies and redress. Interesting, what time will be estimated the life of the downed Russian pilot ...
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 26 November 2015 13: 41 New
      +2
      Felling glass, what to demand from her ...
    2. win
      win 26 November 2015 14: 17 New
      +2
      "The Turkish ambassador was made a tough idea in connection with the incident around a Russian plane and a protest was declared," the Foreign Ministry quoted RIA Novosti as saying.

      And also the speaker of the Federation Council, Valentina Matvienko, that Russia expects an apology from Turkey.

      What's this? They give a signal that this is enough?

      Liberals howl together about the dire consequences for the Russian economy ...
  38. shadow
    shadow 26 November 2015 13: 32 New
    0
    NATO - American National Terrorist Organization
  39. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 26 November 2015 13: 40 New
    0
    "Victory will be expensive and long-term, but it will be ours."

    Yes, anyway!
  40. AUL
    AUL 26 November 2015 13: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: alex321

    I think Turkey in Asia. Not?

    Actually Turkey used to be in Europe before. Maybe they’ve moved it now? laughing
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    2. Weyland
      Weyland 26 November 2015 18: 16 New
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      Quote: AUL
      Actually Turkey used to be in Europe before. Maybe they’ve moved now


      They moved the "sick man of Europe", mainly back in 1878. But, and then back in 1913
  41. bad
    bad 26 November 2015 13: 45 New
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    Quote: Baikonur
    Grievances must be applied at once: the less they try, the less harm they do; it is useful to provide good deeds little by little so that they can be tasted as best as possible.
    Niccolo Machiavelli
    ... "No strength? - press on the eye! .." - Russian folk saying .. laughing
  42. Arkan
    Arkan 26 November 2015 14: 00 New
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    Turechchina, as their brothers in mind the Skaklosaurs say, jumped to serious problems. The Basurman sultan and his Janissaries must be brought to life, so that a hundred years would be enough. There is no need to rush, you need to slowly, but surely, drive fear into the minds of savages to harm Russians.
  43. Lone wolf
    Lone wolf 26 November 2015 14: 14 New
    +1
    By the way, every Russian consumer can take an active part in retaliatory measures. You can and should give up your vacation in Turkey, but this is not enough. For example, you can and should refuse to buy Veko household appliances (brand of the Turkish corporation Ko Holding Durable Goods Group). The consumption of beer is evil, but the consumption of beer by the Efes company, that is, the Turkish corporation Anadolu Efes Biraclk ve Malt Sanayii A., is not only evil, but also the sponsorship of Turkish terrorist accomplices. If you have a deposit or an account in Europe Credit Bank, which belongs to the Turkish oligarch Husnu Mustafa Ozyegin, then closing it will be a beautiful patriotic gesture. I also want to hope that wearing Turkish Colin's consumer goods will soon become bad form.
    Respect !!! Thanks for the info .. I think the list can be expanded by a lot ... I’ll do it .... I’ll better take my own than Turkish.
  44. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 26 November 2015 14: 35 New
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    In general, the author has very competent and balanced articles. I agree that the war (world hybrid) is already underway. And do not rush to start a nuclear war (some, as I see it, can’t wait).
  45. Neophyte
    Neophyte 26 November 2015 15: 02 New
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    Ottomans are interested in increasing the number of refugees in the EU, since the imperial
    dictates Ports in their genes! Europe, in an attempt to stop this process, is powerless
    in conditions of slavish dependence on the USA, therefore it is doomed to chaos!
  46. U-96
    U-96 26 November 2015 15: 07 New
    -1
    I don’t understand - why bother about the Bellie incident? This figure of speech is not at all appropriate. At least in its meaning, which was used in the times of, say, Justinian) Emotional commentators squealed about the war from the first minutes of confirmed information about the bombing of a bomber by the Turks. And away we go ... Hashtags - # Straits, #tourists, #caliber, #Kurds (MIKHANbut I don’t take it, it’s clear - "Tagi-i-l!", and, that is, sorry "Moch-and-and-it!")
    And, of course, upfront accused our government of impotence, "if it does not answer." Just another reason to be smart for all sorts of bloggers. Incidents of this kind change some political vectors, but they absolutely do not draw on a pretext for war. The decisions are announced when the peak of the passionary wave with handwritten posters "Punish the dogs !!!!" passed. This is the alphabet.
  47. cap
    cap 26 November 2015 15: 34 New
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    All calculations for oil contracts in dollars.
    A pitiful stream of oil that Erdogan and Co plucked off for personal needs
    no reason to destroy the established structure of settlements and make any confusion
    on a global scale. Obama's nod to the G-20 meant only one thing - "if you want to try it."
    And I thought to myself "let's see how it ends."
    Erdogan now resembles a seller who found a weight under the scales.
    Like ... "I don't know how she got there for ten years on the market trading ... I'm honest, who do you want to ask .."
    A Greek who sells olives and strawberries in the EU and a NATO member at the counter remembered a similar case, and expressed doubt about the words of the Turk. To which the NATO Council gave a definite answer: "sort your scales yourself." The last thing left is to run around the bazaar and shout "well, I'm not guilty, honestly .... I swear by my mother .."
    For a long time, being in the eastern bazaar, I have already seen this. The case ended in failure for the seller.
    He was beaten hard and amicably.
    I walked past. I didn’t pass by the local. hi
  48. win
    win 26 November 2015 15: 39 New
    +2
    Do you think that Erdogan realized and felt his guilt?

    Turkey will continue to do the same as with the Su-24, in case of violation of its airspace, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said. It is reported by RIA Novosti.
  49. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 26 November 2015 17: 41 New
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    Excellent article, everything is arranged on the shelves, you can’t imagine a better idea.
  50. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 26 November 2015 20: 55 New
    +1
    Erdogan MUST BE DESTROYED.