Media: one of the pilots shot down the Su-24 rescued during a special operation

A Russian marine died in a rescue operation in northern Syria. We are talking about the operation to save the Russian pilots of the Russian Su-24 shot down by the Turkish Air Force. The operation involved two Mi-8 helicopters that were fired from the ground by militants. The representative of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation said that after the shelling one of the helicopters was forced to land in neutral territory.

RIA News cites a statement by a representative of the Russian General Staff:

During the operation, one of the helicopters as a result of fire from a small weapons received damage and made a forced landing on neutral territory. One marine contract soldier died.

On the eve, in a number of Western media there was information that both Russian pilots (Su-24) were killed. Today in the Arabic-language media Al Mayadeen it is reported that the Syrian soldiers managed to evacuate one of the pilots to the territory under their control. The report says that communication with the pilot was restored after almost 6-hour searches. After discovering the landing site of the pilot, the fighters of the Syrian Special Forces around the 2 hours took the Russian soldier out of the rear of the terrorist group. According to reports from the same media, the Russian pilot is currently on the territory of the Hamim airbase.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not give any comments on this issue.

Comments

[Vladimirets]

Thank God, thanks to the Syrians, well done. If only the truth.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not give any comments on this issue.

that's when it will give ... and so is a reprint of foreign presses.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not give any comments on this matter. Here when it will ...

I agree, but I want to believe so.

[yushch]

It is quite possible. Because there was information that the bearded began to shoot the pilots in the air because they were blown away by the wind to the side of the government army. One of our pilot did not hold out, the second one probably flew over to "our" side. God, what would it be it was like this!

[just exp]

if he flew to our side, then they would not have saved 6 hours. and for some reason the Syrian commandos rescued, although it seems like ours flew to the rescue.
the sad thing is that the marine also died. and the pilot wasn’t saved, and the marine was lost.
I really hope that Erdogan is hiccuping and thinking about reckoning in a cold sweat.

[Tatyana]

If Russian pilot really alive then he may witness in the COURT against Erdogan as a war criminal, personally engaged in personal business raiding of Syrian oil with the help of the ISIS gangs controlled by him in Syria.

Erdogan under the COURT! He is a war criminal!

[aleks 62 next]

..... Erdogan under the COURT! He is a war criminal! ...

.... The idea is good .... But who will judge ???? ..... Or will you yourself bring this presumptuous "Muslim brother" to court ????

[MstislavHrabr]

I would like to hear the reaction to these events of the presidents of Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and our Tatarstan.

[Maksus]

And these are some sideways.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Maksus

And these are some sideways.

First - Muslims, and after - direct family ties of peoples. One and the same (almost) language.
Take at least Turkoman in syria and Turkmen in central asia. Don't you find anything in common?

[Maksus]

I don’t find it, believe me - Turkmens do not belong to the Turks in any way, believe the person who lived in Ashgabat for 10 years (Ashgabat is not for us, I'm used to it in the old way).
In the same way, you can Hindus и INDIANS level.

[andj61]

Quote: Maksus

I don’t find it, believe me - Turkmens do not belong to the Turks in any way, believe the person who lived in Ashgabat for 10 years (Ashgabat is not for us, I'm used to it in the old way).
In the same way, you can Hindus и INDIANS level.

They themselves do not think so. They consider Sb and Turks to be one people. And their language differs at the level of difference between Russian dialects - except for the inclusion of Russian words in Turkmen.

[Maksus]

The Turkmen language is of course close to Turkish, but there are differences in both Russian and Bulgarian, or in Spanish and French.

[andj61]

Quote: Hedgehog

First - Muslims, and after - direct family ties of peoples. One and the same (almost) language.
Take at least a Turkoman in Syria and a Turkman in Central Asia. Don't you find anything in common?

In fact, the Ottoman Turks are the descendants of part of the Turkmens (or Oghuz Turks), led by Osman who went to seek a better life from Central Asia to Asia Minor. Both themselves and those and others consider one people. In any case, Turkey has announced the slogan for Turkmenistan (as well as for Azerbaijan): one nation - two countries.

[the most important]

Quote: Tatiana

Erdogan under the COURT! He is a war criminal!

Better under the tank! For aiding terrorists!

[Ze Kot]

Quote: Tatiana

If Russian pilot really alive then he may witness in the COURT against Erdogan as a war criminal, personally engaged in personal business raiding of Syrian oil with the help of the ISIS gangs controlled by him in Syria.

Erdogan under the COURT! He is a war criminal!

It is necessary to demand that Turkey issue a pilot who opened fire and a man who did not give this good.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Tatiana

Erdogan under the COURT! He is a war criminal!

Who will judge him, will it be? The Hague? So this is Washington’s estate with giblets. We essentially didn’t leave a choice and will have to punish ourselves, without courts and lawyers. The airborne forces equated the actions of the regular Turkish air force with the actions of ISIS. .And now, in the light of these words of our president, think what actions can be. Most likely, missile strikes on the militant bases in Turkey will soon be launched, they will also hurry outfit the Kurds with MANPADS and large-caliber systems. Also, I won’t be surprised if Syria will appear complexes S-300/400 ...
I think Iran is stepping up its actions ... in general, there are many options for the development of events, and now it’s too early to talk about anything concrete. First of all, we need to take all our tourists out in order to untie our hands.

[pilot8878]

Quote: just explo

and the marine died. and the pilot wasn’t saved, and the marine was lost.

This is generally no way. The organization of the MSS - I don’t even know how to do it without a mat. Already knowing that 24s were shot down from the base, Mi-8s fly out without covering the strike group, although from the time of the DRA it has been known about the ambush of spirits in the area of ​​the fall. Result? The loss of marines, the loss of a helicopter, the failure of the PSO. I have no words.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

[quote] [quote = pilot8878] [quote = just exploit] and the Marine died. and the pilot was not saved, and the marines were lost. [/ quote]
This is generally no way. PSS organization - I don’t even know how to do it without mata.[/ quote] --- Now let's not know everything, we will not judge? we are all HERE how smart ...

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

now let's not know everything, we will not judge? we are all HERE how smart ...

It’s too early to say anything about a special operation, but to send an airplane without cover to the Turkish border, given that the Turks made claims on the eve, it’s a clear mistake and I agree with pilot8878.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: saturn.mmm

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

now let's not know everything, we will not judge? we are all HERE how smart ...

It’s too early to say anything about a special operation, but to send an airplane without cover to the Turkish border, given that the Turks made claims on the eve, it’s a clear mistake and I agree with pilot8878.

Are you not afraid of Israeli treacherous attacks? And Jordan is not our friend at all. And their borders are also not far away. What do you judge retroactively. There were no cases where Russian planes were shot down from Turkey, therefore they flew like that, and thought that they were our partners.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Алексей_К

There were no cases that shot down Russian planes from Turkey,

But now, NATO, led by the Pentagon, has provided a precedent for all their aircraft. Crossed the border for a few seconds, you have the right to be shot down.
Which, incidentally, justifies the case of the South Korean airliner. It was far from a few seconds.

[Good me]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

now let's not know everything, we will not judge? we are all HERE how smart ...

Yes, we do not know everything, and probably will never know ... But you yourself are not embarrassed by the fact that it is real, in the area controlled by the gangs of "OUR" terrorists, immigrants from Russia and the CIS countries, who, as we know, are distinguished by the highest level of training and the most combat-ready of the gangs, the command that planned and carried out the search and rescue operation (and eventually failed it, with the loss of a Marine and one of the helicopters), who probably knew about this, sent no more or less protected Mi -24, and some Mi-8, no cover?

On the network, yesterday, articles began to appear in which certain experts were not flattering about this operation, comparing it with similar ones taken during the search and attempts to evacuate pilots during the 08.08.08 conflict. All of them (experts) in one way or another, agree on one thing - the cart remained there, in 2008 ...

Reviews of the so-called "beacons" sound extremely negative "Mosquito"designed to automatically send a distress signal. According to those who in one way or another came into contact with the product, the probability of its operation normally, as it was intended by the designers, is extremely low, and only "manual" switching on helps.

And if the pilot is not able to do this? After all, it turns out that even if the pilot who died in the air would not have been, for some reason, detected by terrorists, then due to the low probability of the beacon being triggered, our MSS could not have detected it and evacuated the body ...

In general, this day can be called Black Tuesday of our operation of the Aerospace Forces in Syria, on which the "impenetrable electronic warfare bubble over Syria" so diligently inflated by URA-PESTS burst ...

Now, throwing aside the former bombast, it is worth recognizing that we were "washed" ... Yes, despicably, insidiously, from under the silence, as Putin said, stabbing in the back, but we washed ourselves, with our own blood, solely because of our carelessness and slovenliness. Is not it so ?

Where at that moment were our electronic warfare, our fighter cover, air defense land and sea based?

Did he make up his mind, and could the pilot of the Turkish F-16, himself being under the "illumination" of the sight, carry out a fatal launch for the Su-24?

IN O P O R S ...

Yes, and we do not judge anyone Andrey Yuryevich, but try to analyze ...

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Good Me

Where at that moment were our electronic warfare, our fighter cover, air defense land and sea based?

Did he make up his mind, and could the pilot of the Turkish F-16, himself being under the "illumination" of the sight, carry out a fatal launch for the Su-24?

IN O P O R S ...

And we do not judge anyone, Andrei Yuryevich, but try to analyze ...

You should serve in the army, maybe there will be fewer questions. Better yet, become a "professional" officer and start fighting in hot spots. When you get to the chief of general staff, you will begin to understand everything. And then questions, questions ... and where were these, and for some reason it did not work, and you will learn more about the bubble from the electronic warfare. In general, you will be in charge of all this. And civilian mugs will condemn you, why there are still no blasters and gravity guns in the army, why we do not mix in space like flying saucers.
I will explain briefly. In Syria, an operation is underway to free the territory of Syria from ISIS bandits. It is held at a neutral stop with a coalition of NATO forces. We are not offended by either the Americans or the French, nor the Germans, nor the British. Therefore, our aircraft flew without cover. Therefore, electronic warfare systems were not included. Their inclusion in the long run will eventually lead to the creation of countermeasures by the Americans. There is no rescue system for pilots in enemy territory, this is not a catapult. Salvation always translates into a most powerful battle with the enemy in his environment, there it is necessary not to send a rescue group about several companies of special forces. But you are not to ruin dozens of other lives because of one pilot. And then this pilot will be tormented with conscience all his life. There’s no more time to explain common truths to you. Think and think with your head.

[figter]

Aleksey_K (3) SU Today, 09: 51 ↑ New
You should serve in the army, maybe there will be fewer questions. Better yet, become a "professional" officer and start fighting in hot spots. When you get to the chief of general staff, you will begin to understand everything. And then questions, questions ... and where were these, and for some reason it did not work, and you will learn more about the bubble from the electronic warfare. In general, you will be in charge of all this. And civilian mugs will condemn you, why there are still no blasters and gravity guns in the army, why we do not mix in space like flying saucers.
I will explain briefly. In Syria, an operation is underway to free the territory of Syria from ISIS bandits. It is held at a neutral stop with a coalition of NATO forces. We are not offended by either the Americans or the French, nor the Germans, nor the British. Therefore, our aircraft flew without cover. Therefore, electronic warfare systems were not included. Their inclusion in the long run will eventually lead to the creation of countermeasures by the Americans. There is no rescue system for pilots in enemy territory, this is not a catapult. Salvation always translates into a most powerful battle with the enemy in his environment, there it is necessary not to send a rescue group about several companies of special forces. But you are not to ruin dozens of other lives because of one pilot. And then this pilot will be tormented with conscience all his life. There’s no more time to explain common truths to you. Think and think with your head.

And what did the opponent write wrong to you? What does "become a professional officer ... etc." have to do with it? You never know who does not offend us ..?! A commander of any rank is obliged at any time of the day or night, in peacetime and in wartime, to take measures to organize security and self-defense, combat, technical and logistical support, interaction with neighboring units, units of other branches of the military. The fighting is underway! What are you talking about! Yes, if there was at least some kind of planning of hostilities, it simply does not exist! Unsystematic actions of direct support aviation, without covering fighters even from the zone in the most dangerous directions, without using R and EW aircraft in a group, using EW helicopters to illuminate enemy radars when airplanes strike, etc. Where is this elementaryness? What difference does it make with whom they are fighting - ISIS or NATO terrorists, the tactical rules and actions prescribed in the Combat Manuals are unchanged and require widespread implementation in any conditions. And what we saw in Syria is the Makhnovshchina. There is not enough manpower and resources - demand an increase, justify your demands and decisions to the higher command, die, but ensure that your subordinates perform the combat mission as it should. Combat manuals are written in blood and the last case is proof of this.

[Gomel]

two crocodiles there was a video
besides, questions have already appeared how the Marine died - accidentally from shelling or during a battle
We look who was there:
1. Turkoman bearded men
2. bearded men from SSA
3. controllers from the Turkish special services
4. at least one Turkish special forces unit (their role is not clear - they appeared much later, either to control roofing felts to try to save pilots / as an option to capture)
5. the local population is mostly opposed to Assad (the same Turkomans, only younger and without flags, but with Kalash)
6. parts of CAA (quite far)
7. SAA Special Forces arrived later, possibly at the same time as Turkish Special Forces
8. Russian team PSS

IMHO, in this case the factor "until the thunder breaks out ..." the ground team was not ready for a sudden problem. The plane is operational, the pilots are professionals. The rebels do not have developed air defense. We Russians never expect meanness, and we never expected how long this has happened in our history.

[Good me]

Quote: Gomel

two crocodiles there was a video

This fact, I can admit, could have missed the information in the news shaft.
But at least kill, I can't perceive the NECESSITY to send to the "mess" from the enemy

We look who was there:
1. Turkoman bearded men
2. bearded men from SSA
3. controllers from the Turkish special services
4. at least one Turkish special forces unit (their role is not clear - they appeared much later, either to control roofing felts to try to save pilots / as an option to capture)
5. the local population is mostly opposed to Assad (the same Turkomans, only younger and without flags, but with Kalash)

Mi- "eighths" ...

Mi-24-e, as more armed and protected, having an airborne squad, it would be, in my opinion, RIGHT to use ...

Therefore, QUESTIONS remain. Not only to the PSO, but to all the inactivity that led to such a "snap on the nose" ...

[Nosgoth]

Crocodiles later only flew

[34 region]

I’m nepoymy. Does our president seriously consider our sworn partners friends? Straight idiotic gullibility! They will never be brothers to us. At least sell the whole country and put everything at their feet. Well never! Just never.

[Victor-M]

Quote: Good Me

Now, having cast aside the former bombast, it is worth recognizing that we have been "washed".

This is called not "washed away", and not figs to cooperate with the enemy. If you want to do something normally, do it yourself. Keeping your back open knowing that the enemy is behind is at least frivolous.

[Good me]

Quote: Victor-M

Quote: Good Me

Now, having cast aside the former bombast, it is worth recognizing that we have been "washed".

This is called not "washed away", and not figs to cooperate with the enemy. If you want to do something normally, do it yourself. Keeping your back open knowing that the enemy is behind is at least frivolous.

Even so. But the two dead of our guys, lost Sushka and Mi-8, and Thank God and it is not known what efforts and losses of the standing but successfully completed operation to rescue the second pilot (navigator), this is a LESSON.

What did they say? Charters written in blood?

[varov14]

In general, I will express a seditious thought, but where the means of self-defense were on the plane, in my opinion, our military leaders had a calculator in their heads, but in their eyes there was "green", ie. future preferences, people as always on the sidelines. To increase the bomb load, everything else must have been removed. Apparently, they promised Putin an easy war, but they did not roll quickly and began to fly one at a time, without cover, and besides, the means of self-defense. Or we have that 24 blind, where are these rackets being fired. Some, as always, are heroes, while others are grabbers, nothing changes.

[major124]

Yes! They reported that they shot down a missile with a thermal guidance head! Where are the SU-24 heat traps ???

[Gomel]

Communicated reported ... A lot of what is reported. f-16 entered the space of Syria, caught up with su-24 and actually shot down at point blank range. and no one will say what. On the maps (both provided by the Russian Ministry of Defense and Turkish) between the nearest points (on the track) of the aircraft - 1-2 km. At such speeds between the fixation points (tracks), he could come at least 500 meters, or close, and then return .... I don’t know if the traps would have saved them or not ...

[Mik-51]

Quote: major124

varov14

You just do not be offended, but you absolutely do not understand what you are talking about. Typical statements couch strategists. I speak as a man who was retrained on the Su-24 in 1975, he passed military tests with us. And you just carry nonsense.

[pilot8878]

In the battle between the Su-24 and the F-16, the winner will be 16, still a "dry" bomber, and the falcon is a fighter.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: pilot8878

Quote: just explo

and the marine died. and the pilot wasn’t saved, and the marine was lost.

This is generally no way. The organization of the MSS - I don’t even know how to do it without a mat. Already knowing that 24s were shot down from the base, Mi-8s fly out without covering the strike group, although from the time of the DRA it has been known about the ambush of spirits in the area of ​​the fall. Result? The loss of marines, the loss of a helicopter, the failure of the PSO. I have no words.

So it was necessary to write their proposals. In Syria, the Internet is still working and they are reading us.

[34 region]

Why ulcerate. Pilot8878 is right. It seems that they didn’t think about safety measures.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: 34 region

Why ulcerate. Pilot8878 is right. It seems that they didn’t think about safety measures.

You have just written a blatant lie. Your goal is to discredit our armed forces.

[lelikas]

Quote: Алексей_К

So it was necessary to write their proposals. In Syria, the Internet is still working and they are reading us.

THOSE. a few dozen posts about how to send 8 ki without the "Crocodiles" cover was negligence, you were not convinced at all?

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: lelikas

Quote: Алексей_К

So it was necessary to write their proposals. In Syria, the Internet is still working and they are reading us.

THOSE. a few dozen posts about how to send 8 ki without the "Crocodiles" cover was negligence, you were not convinced at all?

So you read the comments of the reader of "Gomel" and do not write any nonsense. There was a cover. And a fight is always a fight. And never before has there been no loss in battles. And if you know everything better than anyone else, write a statement at the military registration and enlistment office and you will be sent to Syria to lead rescue operations. You will show all of ours there how to act.
And dozens of posts are written by readers who are not related to the fighting in Syria. And they write hotly and often write frank stupidity, I’m telling you as a former officer.

[Gomel]

at least two crocodiles flew with cover (judging by the video) and judging by the comments on other resources, 8 was very in a hurry with the doors open and two heads from the door, and left and right ....
there was a shelling from small arms, no matter how the marine was equipped, in this case the bullet didn’t get lucky.
the second mi-8 was fired four times, the first time tightly from the rifle, the second time (after landing and the departure of the crew) from the ATGM (there is a video), the third time with mortar fire. Later, the VKS covered the remains of the helicopter yet (not indicated by volley or bombs) with the bearded people gathered

[Lieutenant colonel]

On the video that walks on the network - 8 is clearly visible, accompanied by 24. The MSS is always organized and conducted with the participation of fire support helicopters.

[Petrix]

Quote: pilot8878

Mi-8 without cover for the strike group

On the rollers about the Su-24, two helicopters appeared at the end. One Mi-8, and the other Mi-24. Although it may be shots from a different plot.

[sssla]

Quote: just explo

if he flew to our side, then they would not have saved 6 hours

Have you been to the mountains? There is a straight line of 1 kilometer and a couple of hours to go so no need to write))

[yushch]

Quote: just EXPL

if he flew to our side, then they would not have saved 6 hours. and for some reason the Syrian commandos rescued, although it seems like ours flew to the rescue.
the sad thing is that the marine also died. and the pilot wasn’t saved, and the marine was lost.
I really hope that Erdogan is hiccuping and thinking about reckoning in a cold sweat.

Do you think that he landed right on the position of the government army? He could land in the mountains in nobody controlled territory, that's why they searched for him for so long. It was just my assumption because there is no off.inf yet, so do not try to refute it.

[Gomel]

It seems to me, according to the published videos and photos, the second pilot was already dead and maybe even at the time of the bailout (terrible burns on the face, head and no movements during the descent ...)

I have questions:
1. Does Su-24 have an automatic bailout system?
2. Is it possible to actively maneuver on the used parachutes in the su-24?

[Now we are free]

I post the photo, it seems like it’s not fake, the Slavs are clearly around the pilot, so our specialists / marines still pulled out the guy. The Syrians provided cover for the evacuation. At the pilot in the hands of the AKM, I had to shoot as well as specialists saving him.

(Image is clickable)

[just exp]

if it’s a rescued pilot. thank God that they pulled him out.
Now we need to knock out the body of the deceased and fill that territory with napalm then black earth.

[zanoza]

Quote: Now we are free

there are clearly Slavs around the pilot

This is most likely a snapshot of the MSS of the downed Mi-8 (there are two pilots: one is sitting, the other is partially visible at the top right.
It strains that the group lacks "armor", they did not fly out for a walk. And to relatives, such a picture without "armor" will not give confidence in the safety of their loved ones.
In "Komsomolskaya Pravda" there is a video of this group's exit to the position of the Syrians. Http://www.kp.ru/online/news/2231680/

[Belui]

This is a helicopter crew

The crew of the Russian helicopter, shot down today north of Latakia, was saved by the SAA special forces. They are safe

[Oprichnik]

In terms of equipment, a newly formed partisan detachment. Complacency, poor organization of the MSS, gouging, lack of on-board Su-24 countermeasures to at least V-V missiles, poor training of commanders and chiefs for competent management of entrusted units in such situations, and finally The low demands of commanders of all ranks is the reason for this tragedy.
Regulatory vocabulary expended.

[Lieutenant colonel]

In fact, the pilot only has a PM with ammunition in the kit. Helicopter pilots take AKSU. If the pilot was shot down, AKM was already taking it on the ground.

[marl]

Quote: Vladimirets

but I want to believe so much

Everything is fine with the second pilot, alive and well. MO confirmed in the news.

[Yarik]

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not give any comments on this issue. And what can they give ???? How could it happen that they practically put an unarmed plane under attack, or did they not know about 333 warnings of the Turks that they would shoot down ??? How could it happen that MI-8 flew to save the pilots without any kind of cover over the bandiuk’s territory? This. what is kindergarten?

[timurpl]

/// Two Mi-8 helicopters participated in the operation ///
- Why only two?
-Where are combat helicopters to protect the rescue team ??
-ps I understand that the response at the highest echelon should be especially weighed, but one hell was hoping to hear in the morning that ours "accidentally" shot down 2-3 Turkish pepelatsa during the night ...

[Hammer]

Well, praise to the Gods and the Syrian and Russian special forces !!!
At least one good news.
It remains only to pull the body of the second pilot from the clutches of the terrorists.

And of course, sorry for the marines ...
But she’s such a service ... risky.

[Good me]

Quote: Hammer

Well, praise to the Gods and the Syrian and Russian special forces !!!

It is very sad that the special forces have to work like this, correcting other people's mistakes and miscalculations ...

[cniza]

Quote: Vladimirets

Thank God, thanks to the Syrians, well done. If only the truth.

Very similar to the truth, we will believe. Erdogan let him know that his star went to sunset.

[vkl-47]

the Syrians truly appreciate what we do for them. and reciprocate, risking not less but even more. I hope that the pilot is alive

[Trailer]

It is not true. There is a video where they are processed from the DShK during descent to the ground. In addition, yesterday the second photo was published. Our uniform

[urii]

How to save Russian pilots

[Alexey-74]

God forbid, that was true .... but the rescue operation was carried out simply horror how incompetent, they lost another soldier .....

[Lieutenant colonel]

Excuse me - Alexey - but competently - how do you think? What exactly is incompetent in the fact that the MSS moved to the area of ​​the fall, conducted reconnaissance, was fired upon? Or do you need to abandon all aviation and the fleet? Do you know how the MSS task is set before departure? As a rule, it sounds - board No.№ ..... Departure in .... min, the task is in the air.

[Sura]

And why do they have parachutes other than a flying wing? ... So it would be possible, like maneuvering and moving farther from the place of throwing.

[Themi30]

I would like to see how you survive with your wing, if there is a bailout near the ground.

[Sura]

You could believe YOUR koment if there were no base jumping

[pilot8878]

Quote: Sura

You could believe YOUR koment if there were no base jumping

and what, on average, is the mass of base jumpers. And the pilot (+ PPK, + NAZ, + means of self-defense and rescue). K-36 works at 0/0. What are the working conditions for the "wing"?

[Sura]

There is such an organization as the KB design bureau http://topwar.ru/35060-katapultiruemye-kresla-istoriya-poyavleniya.html, they are obliged to calculate all this, but I cannot be a profession like me.

[Themi30]

But your profession, I look, is suitable for unfounded accusations of ejection seat designers of incompetence, are you there by profession, hohlopressa?
Even if you don’t give details about the equipment, the base jumper holds the exhaust parachute open, it’s silly to compare it in your hand. (Let me remind you that our seats save from zero altitude)
I'm in parachuting, as in parachutes - a complete zero, and I do not want to talk about the possibilities in development, but your attack on the side of our catapults looks like a govnovbros.

[Themi30]

But your profession, I look, is suitable for unfounded accusations of ejection seat designers of incompetence, are you there by profession, hohlopressa?
Even if you don’t give details about the equipment, the base jumper holds the exhaust parachute open, it’s silly to compare it in your hand. (Let me remind you that our seats save from zero altitude)
I'm in parachuting, as in parachutes - a complete zero, and I do not want to talk about the possibilities in development, but your attack on the side of our catapults looks like a govnovbros.

[Sura]

Ek breaks you, heartfelt! ... Under OUR you mow, are you trying to earn cheap credibility?
For my part, there was not a single word saying that the catapults are bad, but, on the contrary, see the link I gave above http://topwar.ru/35060-katapultiruemye-kresla-istoriya-poyavleniya.html. I just made a proposal to replace uncontrolled parachutes with controllable ones, based on the situation with the pilots (all comments are in front of my eyes), in the morning, connect the brain to the language

[WUA 518]

Quote: Sura

guided parachutes guided

This is a parachute for professionals, they jump on the wing after 100 jumps on a regular one, after a training course. The layman can easily "fold" the wing. This is the first aspect. Second: the wing parachute has a high horizontal speed and requires control. Now imagine that the pilot is wounded.

[Sura]

Yes, I understand everything, a classmate and many friends served in the landing party about D-5 and D-6 was not a little told, you get down, they speak on it like wood chock. A classmate jumped for two years in the landing 56 times for each jump they paid 3 rubles, served in a sports school and talked a lot about sports parachutes. It’s not for nothing that I wrote about design bureaus that a parachute should be made controllable for that and design bureau to invent. You, as teenagers, are only black and white i.e. an ordinary parachute and a wing, and all and more of which there cannot be anything, because there can be none when.
Even after Magellan proved that the earth was round, they burned it for a long time at the stake, because EVERYONE knew that the earth was flat and stood on three pillars and that KNEW EVERYTHING. The bone of thinking, gentlemen, is a difficult thing to break through. Everything seems to be simple, but you must definitely chew, stuff it into your mouth and make it swallow.

[Themi30]

Yes, I understand everything, a classmate and many friends served in the landing party about D-5 and D-6 was not a little told

well then it’s clear, they told you the same, and you decided to link the paratrooper, base jumper and bailout into the same thing, a true expert.
From the simplest, I explain.
1. The wing needs to be controlled, a pilot wounded or unconscious, cannot do this (this is important at low altitudes)
2. the base jumper damps speed by jumping from low altitudes due to strong horizontal displacement, including (I suspect that this is so, I will not remind you), according to the situation from point 1, this is not suitable for bailout.

For my part, there was not a single word saying that catapults are bad

Well, yes, I forgot that the catapult and the parachute system for it are in no way connected things in expert circles.

Ek breaks you, heartfelt!

You flatter yourself, from a simple bolabol I will not break.

Under OUR mowing, trying to earn cheap credibility

It seems to me that everything is not normal with your head, at least I didn’t really understand who your people are and why I need their authority.

[Sura]

N, but what brings what brings what nonsense ...

It seems to me that everything is not normal with your head, at least I didn’t really understand who your people are and why I need their authority.

According to psychotherapists, every fourth inhabitant of the planet is a schizophrenic to one degree or another, you seem to be yours and betrayed yourself, when it seems this is no longer normal, turn to specialists, maybe it's not too late?

[Cthulhu]

The RNS news agency received confirmation from our ambassador in France that the co-pilot is alive and saved by the Syrians

[His]

Just listen.

[Private IITR]

We must not leave it so simple.

[paxil]

Quote: Private OITR

We must not leave it so simple.

Be sure we won’t leave it, we’ll not catch up with it and we won’t leave it again. Yesterday I watched Putin’s interview, his face was such that the Turks did not bode well.

[Dr. Lecturer]

To my regret, they have already left. Erdogan made flags, journalists, the prime minister made them the same way, with a general meaning, we won’t allow it. And our snot chewed and defense mines voiced UNCOMPLETE actions. Shame and shame.

[Boris55]

Quote: Doctor Lecturer

To My regret they have already left.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Doctor Lecturer

.And our snot chewed and defense mines voiced UNLAWFUL actions. Shame and shame.

That is, the statement of the Moscow Region that we will destroy all the targets that threaten our planes are snot?

[Erg]

"Snot" is Erdogan. I don’t want to offend girls by comparing. But the fact that he is not a man ... Don't go to grandma.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Come on you. Mr. D.L. from that cohort that will scream about immediate nuclear retaliation and other things in any case. Amoebic consciousness, there is nothing to do, unfortunately.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Banshee

Amoeba consciousness, there is nothing to be done, unfortunately.

Amputation of the head? Hello roma

[Sober]

Unfortunately, there are not so few of them.

[Dr. Lecturer]

Yes, there is a desire for retaliation, but it could only wish that it was nuclear. But the rhetoric could be brighter both in the face of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and in the face of the Ministry of Defense. I will not make any assumptions (UN Security Council, recall of the ambassador, evacuation citizens from Turland, etc.) Amoeba consciousness is when you are in the face, and you are sorry, I'm sorry. When you try to kick any trash (Ukraine, the Baltic states, partners) and there are no consequences INTERNATIONAL PRAAAAVO

[34 region]

Yes Lecturer! There is a straight groin kick. The policy of substituting cheeks and other parts of the body is incomprehensible.

[Dr. Lecturer]

Well, maybe I missed something in the news about the destruction of threatening goals.

[Boris55]

Quote: Doctor Lecturer

Well, maybe I missed something in the news about the destruction of threatening goals.

"The cruiser" Moskva ", equipped with the" Fort "air defense system, similar to the S-300, will occupy an area in the coastal part of Latakia, and all targets that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed»
More details: http://79.120.77.163/001/page.php?id=391

[vicdoc63]

this is only a statement so far.

[plotnikov561956]

Revenge ... the dish is cold and does not like rush ..

[Altona]

Quote: Doctor Lecturer

But our snot chewed and mine defense spoke of unfriendly actions. Shame and shame.

-------------------------
They didn’t chew anything ... Will there be revenge, or did Constantinople have to be ironed immediately by the 102nd?

[Denis DV]

Quote: Doctor Lecturer

Erdogan made flags, journalists, their prime minister spoke the same way, with a common sense, we will not allow.

Bullshit, Erdogan swallowed his snot at a performance, lied and busted, saying - I'm not me and not my horse, and NATO will help us

[just exp]

politics is such a thing where in the open they do not swear and do not threaten.
and Putin openly said that the Turks are at the same time with ISIS.
and that says a lot.

[34 region]

Turks at the same time with ISIS! So what? Now will we bomb Turkey?

[Pawel1626]

Quote: Doctor Lecturer

And our snot chewed

Haste is needed when catching fleas. But there is no need to rush here. It is necessary to act gradually, but inevitably, so that the leadership of the Turks at night becomes scrawled from fear and hopelessness

[cniza]

The time will come, there will be flags for him, everything will be ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Dr. Lecturer

To my regret, they have already left. Erdogan made flags, journalists, the prime minister made them the same way, with a general meaning, we won’t allow it. And our snot chewed and defense mines voiced UNCOMPLETE actions. Shame and shame.

You dear, apparently you do not understand that there is a diplomatic language in which there is no obscenity, no expressions "hear you" and so on ... whoever needed it, they understood everything, including the Turkish side. The diplomatic language has existed for more than one century and for us it is often not understandable and soft, but this does not mean that in this language it was not (in translation) sounded what some members of the forum speak in simple language.
In addition, you should not hurry in such matters, you can break firewood. And the answer must be weighed and thought out to the point. So stop hacking power, everything is just beginning. And in this Turkish gambit (I tell you as a professional chess player) the debut stage .

[34 region]

Well, why not just leave it? We can deeply regret this. And the fact that after that the tanker with oil will begin to undermine and sink, we have nothing to do with it. How many weapons and competitors are there!

[a housewife]

Tankers with oil if drowned, so all the seas will perish. Drown while empty! There was nothing to carry.

[atalef]

Quote: Vladimirets

Thank God, thanks to the Syrians, well done. If only the truth.

It would be great, but so far it looks like a fake.
If this were so, the MO would already give a comment.
So it seems to me.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: atalef

It would be great, but so far it looks like a fake

Yes, Sasha, suspiciously ... (I welcome ...) I don’t understand why on the site to upload unconfirmed information?

[miru mir]

But it is also premature to "bury" the flyer. There is no confirmation of his death either. Are obliged to hope for the best.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: miru mir

But it is also premature to "bury" the flyer. There is no confirmation of his death either. Are obliged to hope for the best.

alive! he’s alive Egor! )))

[3officer]

Such info would be a special issue for all media.

[Mera joota]

Quote: atalef

It would be great, but so far it looks like a fake.

For all time, several versions have already appeared:
1. Both are alive and are in the Turkish police
2. One died, the second captured by the Turkmen
3. Both shot in the air
Well, now one has died, one has been saved. Given the fact that the Turkmens claimed that they had one killed pilot whom they want to exchange, the fate of the second is unknown and anything can be.

[inkass_98]

We will wait for official communications. But if you saved the pilot, then this is great news.
But why did the "crocodiles" not cover the search party - that is the question! Conclusions must be made immediately, mistakes in the organization of search work are simply glaring.

[3officer]

24 were on video. But there is an obvious blank, all the mountains as if "accidentally" with "moderate" Turkomans with trunks.

[NC1982]

So far, more conflicting messages than affirmative. It was already that supposedly the bodies of both pilots were found and the monkeys were ready to exchange them for their prisoners characters. I want to believe that both are alive ..

[BaLaLaykin]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Vladimirets

Thank God, thanks to the Syrians, well done. If only the truth.

It would be great, but so far it looks like a fake.
If this were so, the MO would already give a comment.
So it seems to me.

the source is not reliable, but on Anna News the rescue of helicopter pilots with mi-8
and so of course, give GOD

[Vadimsh]

we will hope

[Altona]

I would like to see how cruise missiles of different types — both air and sea-based — will fly through Turkey ... And even then Recepka whines at NATO headquarters, his friends turn out to be just as mean ...

[There are a lot of us]

But you don’t have to fly by ...

[Kradi]

Let's hope this is true. There can be several reasons for the silence of the Moscow Oblast; one can only guess for now. For example, the state of the pilot. Why only two Mi 8s participated in the search is also a question. We won’t be told the details, but we hope that these are not organization mistakes, but an adequate reaction to the operational situation.

[VNP1958PVN]

Lord, give good luck to the man! Chuzhili laid out on the Internet that both were shot in the air!

[Zomanus]

Great news.
Syrians understand for whom we risk our lives.

[Sars]

The gross miscalculations of the commanders of the operation! Why was the Su-24 not covered by the Su-30? Why is there no readiness of the special forces at any time to start an operation to rescue and evacuate the pilots? Why didn't the special forces cover themselves from the air? As Comrade Stalin said - "dizziness from success."

[Junior, I]

All comes with experience!
Now they will take it as a rule.
I would also declare the territory of Syria a no-fly zone for all those who are not officially involved in the operation against the IS and covered with an air defense umbrella.

[rf xnumx]

Quote: Younger, I

I would also declare the territory of Syria a no-fly zone for all those who are not officially involved in the operation against the IS and covered with an air defense umbrella.

[Shark Lover]

Someone enlighten. But can he?

[Roman Skomorokhov]

It may well. There is a "Fort" on it, it is a marine analogue of the S-300.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Shark Lover

Someone enlighten. But can he?

Some types of missiles in height up to 25000km, in range to 200km.

[andj61]

Quote: Vladimirets

Quote: Shark Lover

Someone enlighten. But can he?

Some types of missiles in height up to 25000km, in range to 200km.

Moreover, 200 km on level ground is a guaranteed target hitting range when firing two missiles with a probability of 0,97. Since the terrain towards Turkey is somewhat hilly and mountainous, there will be some "shadow" zones in which the enemy aircraft will not be visible. Therefore, one "Fort" on "Moscow" is unlikely to manage, we need at least one (better - 2) such complexes. Or a few Buks, better Buk-M2, but closer to the border with Turkey. In addition, it is simply necessary to establish contacts with the Kurds - and not only in Syria - and transfer them certain air defense systems equipped with the function of inadmissibility of firing at our aircraft.

[Bronis]

Quote: Vladimirets

Some types of missiles in height up to 25000km, in range to 200km.

Well, here, alas, not Fort-M, but simply Fort. and the main thing here is not the performance characteristics of the missiles, but the control system. so the real range is lower. about 70-90 km. Which, in principle, is enough. if full ammunition, then 64 missiles. Plus "Osa-MA" self-defense. And another 16 anti-ship missiles with a very significant range and warheads under a ton ...

[Altona]

Quote: SarS

The grossest miscalculations of the operation commanders!

-----------------------
Frivolity and presumption. You should always remember that the earth is teeming with apricots like an anthill and they are armed well if expensive ATGMs on passenger cars are fired like balls from pneumatics ...

[Strezhevchanin]

Quote: SarS

The grossest miscalculations of the operation commanders! Why didn’t the Su-24 hide behind the Su-30? Why is there no readiness of special forces at any time to begin an operation to rescue and evacuate pilots ?. Why the special forces did not hide behind the air

Backstab! This meant complete trust, now it will be girlfriend. The Turks did not understand that they could easily become consumables, for the Americans it is like a double-fingered asphalt.

[tomket]

Quote: SarS

Why didn't the special forces cover themselves from the air? As Comrade Stalin said - "dizziness from success."

If the pilot was really rescued, and the Syrians really did it, then the question arises, is the cover group really so "crooked"?

[Fregate]

Quote: SarS

Why didn’t the Su-24 hide behind the Su-30?

Because there are only 16 Su-12s for 4 bombers and 30 attack aircraft. Probably in this.

[sledge]

God forbid that this is the truth !!

[KB-2]

If only the truth!

[maikl50jrij]

Well, glory to you, Lord! At least one!

[vjatsergey]

Take the bodies of our military and powder to the whole area, where our pilots were shot by parachutes! And it's time to bring down all illegally into the territory of Syria to bring to edrena mother. Ours are there legally, and the rest fly without the permission of the legitimate government of Syria.

[There are a lot of us]

Thank God if this is so, but why is there still a terrorist group near the air base ...

[Wolka]

and it pleases, it couldn’t be otherwise, now the correlation according to the situation will be unequivocal ...

[ImPerts]

Recep Tayyip Erdogan still made a byaku. Maybe he personally did not want to, but the general trend and his bellicose statements ...
Putin will decide on the supply of anti-tank systems and MANPADS Kurds?
After all, the Turkish president could not have known that this was one of the possible answers of the Russian president to this.
I don’t know if there was a violation of the Turkish border or a trick not to look idiotic, but 10 warnings in 5 minutes are all from the realm of fantasy.
One thing can be said, the surrender of Ocalan in the 90's to the Turks was not the right decision. The Kurds are determined and the chance to see the formation of Kurdistan is not small.
And the second thing that can be seen from what is happening, the chances of Greater Turkey, one can say neoports, are melting. A large and strong power in this region is disadvantageous for Americans. The integrity of Syria and its luminosity are important to us. Well, the new Ottoman Empire is not interesting. Iran dislikes a radical Sunni bloc.
The Islamicization of Turkey will come back to everyone, it will come back.
No matter how Erdogan was appointed guilty.
Hussein also began with the tacit consent of the world hegemon, but was then crushed by him.
Now the United States is silently pushing Turkey into conflict with Russia and Iran.
PS Another quarrel is beneficial for the USA, this will complicate an already difficult situation.

[just exp]

Yes, then they themselves admitted that the Su-24 was on their territory for 17 seconds.
Well, how should I talk like that 10 times in 17 seconds to warn?

[dchegrinec]

Probably all of Russia was waiting for the search results for the second pilot! And everything seems to be in order with him! We are waiting for official confirmation!

[BaLaLaykin]

I apologize for the replay, there are simply too many who want to start World 3 right now
all this provocation is intended only for one thing, to provoke a conflict with Turkey, in order for Erdog to close the straits for our express trains, thereby disrupting the entire operation in Syria. They understand that there will not be such a second chance (Obama and Erdogan: Incidents are similar to the catastrophe of Su- 24 should not be repeated, http: //vz.ru/news/2015/11/25/780062.html)
Now the ball is on our side, and I really hope that our leadership will play them better than the Russian national football team
the most important thing has already been done (First: All actions of attack aircraft will be carried out only under the guise of fighter aircraft.

Second: Measures will be taken to strengthen air defense. To this end, the cruiser "Moscow", equipped with an air defense system "Fort", similar to the S-300, will occupy the area in the coastal part of Latakia. We warn that all goals that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed.

Third: Contacts with Turkey through the military line will be terminated. ”Http://trueinform.ru/modules.php?name=News&sid=43585)
now you need to act carefully
launch a media attack on Erdogad (Putin also stated that the incident with the Russian Su-24 in Syria goes beyond the usual fight against terrorism, and called it a “stab in the back,” which was carried out by terrorist accomplices. http: //vz.ru/news /2015/11/24/779959.html)erdogad cheated on many serious people in Turkey, I think there will be no big problems getting dirt on him and his son-geek

[andj61]

Quote: Lalaika

This provocation is intended only for one thing, to provoke a conflict with Turkey, in order for Dagestan to close the straits for our express trains, thereby disrupting the entire operation in Syria. They understand that there will not be such a second chance (

Maybe, maybe ... Only the closure of the straits without declaring war on Russia is another reason for war, since this is a gross violation of the Montreux Convention. In this case, Russia can justifiably completely block the Bosphorus.

[Erg]

It is surprising that only now the question arose about the involvement of TURKEY in the entire terrorist cesspool. On the highest level. In every smoking room, this has been discussed for a long time ... Diplomacy, however ...

[avkeys]

Do you think that we have so many trump cards that just like that you can take all of them and put them on the table? Everything has its own time.

[Erg]

So I say. I looked at Vladimirovich ... It was felt that he was not joking that it was no longer up to diplomacy. Specifically, everything is indicated.

[leo3972]

We are waiting for the first Turkish downed. I hope not for long.

[Erg]

In the "battle" of two fighters against the attack aircraft, who considered them allies, the Turks looked like "heroes". Now let's see ...

[Evgeny59]

From the network:
Sources familiar with the situation report that the Turkish authorities ordered the landing of all of their fighters. “All Turkish military aircraft are located in airfields,” the media said.

Experts attribute this situation to yesterday’s statement by the Russian Ministry of Defense, which stated that any targets that could pose a potential danger to the Russian Space Forces located in Syria would be shot down from the Moscow cruiser.

[lewerlin53rus]

The provocation was clearly planned and coordinated between the Turks and the Basmachi. There still need to be figured out who is the accomplice to whom.

[psf]

God forbid that this be true ... I would like everyone there to be gouged to hell, turning everything into scorched earth, although the bearded, having sensed ... singing, probably from the area will be washed away for a while

[buywol]

All this provocation with the downed SU-24 is an attempt by NATO to see the reaction of Russia. How Russia will react so to it and will be treated. If it is "lost" then there will be no respect for her from even the Africans.

[Old26]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

That is, the statement of the Moscow Region that we will destroy all the targets that threaten our planes are snot?

Alexander! So for many here writing an adequate response would be an immediate declaration of war to everyone who is somehow guilty of terrorism. Immediately attack, and be sure to use "Caliber" (a new Russian wunderwaffe, which is thrust into any hole with a plug) at military bases, no matter where: in Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia. Some are already proposing to strike with tactical nuclear charges.

People have an itch. I want to show how cool they are, and they don’t think about the consequences for the country.
Turn an incident (a tragic, but nonetheless incident) into a large-scale war that can gradually develop into a thermonuclear one, and if it does not outgrow by a lucky chance, it will cause collapse and God forbid the collapse of Russia.

But they don’t think about it. Here is the answer with missiles and fusion - this is not chewing snot. Everything else is just chewing. Although there are hundreds of ways to punish ... And how lucky is Russia that such people are not in power

Quote: KraDI

Only two Mi 8s participated in the search, also a question.

Because a couple of helicopters are always involved in such operations ...

Quote: vjatsergey

And it's time to bring down all illegally into the territory of Syria to bring to edrena mother. Ours are there legally, and the rest fly without the permission of the legitimate government of Syria.

Decent answer. Have you thought about the second side of the coin? What is the same, but on completely legal grounds, Turkey will also shoot down our aircraft ???
Yesterday in Russia 24 a sniper pilot, a major general, made a speech, explaining that an accidental or deliberate invasion of the territory of a neighboring state while performing a flight mission near the borders is a fairly common phenomenon. And the usual practice is not to destroy the aircraft immediately and without warning, but to "expel" it out of bounds. That is, an aircraft of a country whose borders have been violated and by communication or visually shows that it has violated, flies up to the intruder. And if the intruder plane does not obey the commands, then they try to land it, and if it is impossible to land, they shoot it down. And not as you suggest: flew in - shot down.

Quote: ImPerts

Putin will decide on the supply of anti-tank systems and MANPADS Kurds?

HZ, but the "answer" is unlikely to have such an option. Most likely they will answer economically. All tourism infrastructure is mainly focused on ours. There, sometimes the number of ours in hotels in the season reaches 70-80 percent. Close this valve - Turkey will immediately lose several billion dollars. Plus questions with gas, this can also press them ... But you never know what. Not necessarily the supply of ATGM and MANPADS ...

Quote: ImPerts

I don’t know if there was a violation of the Turkish border or a trick not to look idiotic, but 10 warnings in 5 minutes are all from the realm of fantasy.

The idiotic excuse sounds ...

[atalef]

Quote: Old26

Alexander! So for many here writing an adequate answer would be an immediate declaration of war to all those who are somehow guilty of terrorism

Sorry, but you’ll tear your pants. announce to everyone

Quote: Old26

... Attack immediately, and be sure to "Caliber

And more REEEEB

Quote: Old26

Because a couple of helicopters are always involved in such operations ...

With cover, I’m participating.
send 2 mi-8 without cover crocodiles - was the height of madness

Quote: Old26

Decent answer. Have you thought about the second side of the coin? What is the same, but on completely legal grounds, Turkey will also shoot down our aircraft ???

Turkey will give * militias * air defense systems (such as wasps) - and what will you do? It is clear that these are not militias. but you can’t prove it.
Turkey wants to make a no-fly zone in the north and has enough forces for this

Quote: Old26

The idiotic excuse sounds ...

the plane was waiting and flunked on purpose. This is clear.

[Forest]

Crocodiles flickered on the video, but they were on the side during the ATGM attack. Most likely, some distracted the fire of the turntables on themselves.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Old26

People have an itch. I want to show how cool they are, and they don’t think about the consequences for the country.

Vladimir! I join your comment. I’ll only add on my own behalf, for those who offer emotions to wave a saber: until our last tourist (specialist, diplomat, members of their families) has been taken outside Turkey, no harsh military operations. We sit on the train evenly and imitate the chewing of snot in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the UN. And at the same time, we are actively withdrawing capital from Turkey. But when the hands are untied ...

[BaLaLaykin]

Chelyabinsk military pilot Sergei Rumyantsev was mistakenly named dead during the crash of a Su-24 bomber shot down by a Turkish fighter in Syria.
buried in advance, will live long !!!!

[Chills]

Sometimes my wife and my mother-in-law would offer me to go to Turkey to rest. I always answered them, I will only go to these bastards in an APC. Here is zhezh. He was right.

[Evgeniy667b]

In order to adequately respond to all kinds of threats to Russia, it is necessary to have a significantly larger fleet of aircraft than there is. About 48 devices Su-zo family. And delivered to different countries 397. Only to India and China respectively 200 and 73. Our defense industry, and the government is not far behind, is more concerned with commerce than with the country's security. Similarly for other weapons. Is this not a crime against your country ???

[Forest]

And with what money to buy? Sell ​​your pants? Better to give these billions to the Shatam?

[BaLaLaykin]

Quote: ImPerts

Putin will decide on the supply of anti-tank systems and MANPADS Kurds?

HZ, but the "answer" is unlikely to have such an option. Most likely they will answer economically. All tourism infrastructure is mainly focused on ours. There, sometimes the number of ours in hotels in the season reaches 70-80 percent. Close this valve - Turkey will immediately lose several billion dollars. Plus questions with gas, this can also press them ... But you never know what. Not necessarily the supply of ATGM and MANPADS ...


for a couple of months to arrange unscheduled checks in Turkish companies operating in Russia, arguing that their president is cooperating with terrorists, this will give a result more than a hit with "calibers"

[linen]

Which one sent these MI-8s without cover with the latest combat helicopters!?

[Evgeniy667b]

And where in Syria did you see the latest helicopters, there are only "crocodiles" -Mi-24?

[pskov74268]

Moral always hit in the back. MISSING GLORY AND OUR MEMORY !!!, AND LIVING revenge for the FALLED !, so that in the Turkish family of criminals are in eternal mourning and in bloody tears. No matter how hard it can be in our country, but I believe that WE WILL GRAVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NeRTT]

Thank God he survived !!! And the Turks with ancient times we have had and will have to be enemies !! So with a club to ..t-tsat .. along the "stinking" you need to knock !!! Slowly ... Heroes ... Mlyn's accomplices ..and Terror !!! All one there is a gang of watering cans !!

[BaLaLaykin]

Quote: andj61

Quote: Lalaika

This provocation is intended only for one thing, to provoke a conflict with Turkey, in order for Dagestan to close the straits for our express trains, thereby disrupting the entire operation in Syria. They understand that there will not be such a second chance (

Maybe, maybe ... Only the closure of the straits without declaring war on Russia is another reason for war, since this is a gross violation of the Montreux Convention. In this case, Russia can justifiably completely block the Bosphorus.

all this bunker was counting on an immediate reaction, and this is already war and Russia is extreme. only by one o'clock in the morning did the information go that Russia was right and the plane was shot down in Syria. So Putin presented Erdogad with no provocations against our planes, and the straits won't close

[wild]

The plane was shot down under the camera, definitely an agreement. The question is why did Mi8 fly into the rescue zone teeming with barmel men without cover? The result is another victim, are there many 2 cars and 2 people?

[tol]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Doctor Lecturer

.And our snot chewed and defense mines voiced UNLAWFUL actions. Shame and shame.

That is, the statement of the Moscow Region that we will destroy all the targets that threaten our planes are snot?

This is a snot! because it’s a warning, not a response (sanctions, breaking up, etc.)

[Dr. Lecturer]

Yes, and I about the same, well, call the ambassador for consultations, declare the evacuation of tourist citizens.

[kapitan281271]

URA URA GOD for us if only it were true!

[solovey]

I think it is now necessary to graze Turkish planes with S-400 complexes and bring down all indiscriminately at the same time blocking the supply of oil to Turkey by bombing !!!
And the last Putin will not forgive Erdagan for sure - we will wait for a surprise !!!

[Conscience]

we will believe and wait

[Mig-31]

Guys! will Russian special services be able to eliminate perdogan? Well there, a poisonous shot, an accident or better 9mm in the forehead!

[Captain nemo]

I think that the main culprit of the downed SU-24 is none other than Putin himself.
1) He was invited by Assad to Syria, to defend the "territorial integrity" of Syria in the sky.
2) But for VV Putin, the "territorial integrity" of Turkey turned out to be preferable to the "territorial integrity" of Syria, crawling on their knees in front of Obama and Erdagan, so that they would deign to coordinate with him the flights of their planes. While Turkey from the very beginning sent it in three letters, with a complete ban on the passage of Russian aircraft over Turkish territory.
3) But in V Putin very well wiped off the "territorial integrity" of Turkey, proceeding from the "national interests" of Turkey fearing the emergence of a Syrian Kurdistan, which in the future could turn into a full-fledged Kurdistan. And therefore, he calmly looked at the Turkish bombing of the Syrian Kurds ...
4) Our VV Putin, until yesterday, would not have such a thing as Syrian airspace. He just shook the air about the fact that he alone has the "legal right" to fly over Syria. And he easily agreed with the dictates of Turkey and America to the fact that they could fly there as much as they like without notifying Russia or Assad about their flights.
5) Turkey, and ofigela in general, with its compromiser Putin. It rattles about the 15 km no-fly zone, but this is for Russia and Assad, but not for her when she bombes the Kurds and never ISIS.
6) There can be only one thing. The Syrian sky, while there is still the state of Syria, should have one master, and not "anti-terrorist kaolitsiya", all the time sending our wonderful President Putin to hell.
7) Turkey will not close the strait if it considers the airspace of Syria to be no less than its own, as well as its Turkish into which it does not let anyone in. Well, if it closes (what does it justify its closure for us with, is it a Montro agreement or something?), Then Murmansk and the Baltic exist, the course will last longer, but not fatally. If you can also ask kerosene from Iran.

[Oprichnik]

Some people don’t like the bitter truth. But, after all, everything is so. The sky had to be closed, at least for Turkey a month ago. Well, they didn’t know unless Turkey fed DAISH, they nurtured, fed, armed, healed, trained ...
Everyone in everything began to look for economic profitability. And how narrow-minded it must be to assume that our people are so stupid, they don’t know about it, if our talking heads do not talk about everything openly on TV.
Political tolerance will not bring to good. Everything has a limit.
And now, when everything was in full view, they came to their senses. What is the visa regime for? We have NO borders with DAISH in Russia in the Caucasus and Middle Asia!

[Victor-M]

Quote: Oprichnik

I think that the main culprit of the downed SU-24 is none other than Putin himself.

Or maybe Nemtsov, because it was his funerary team that ruined our country to please the West, and now they continue to do it, but you sing along with them, you are not one of them by chance?

[Captain nemo]

Quote: Victor-M

Or maybe Nemtsov, because it was his funerary team that ruined our country to please the West, and now they continue to do it, but you sing along with them, you are not one of them by chance?

No, I’m not one of them, and I do not consider Nemtsov to blame for the downing of the SU-24. After all, he didn’t send the VKS there, and he was already dead until October 2015.

[provincial]

If the Russian Federation acts in Syria at the request of their leadership, and others at their own request, then Syria must declare that all planes intruding into their airspace will go astray and send a couple of pieces to the ground. All that remains is to look at their reaction and comments.

[cap]

"Syrian Turkmen brigades" claimed responsibility for the murder of two Russian pilots
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08:24 25.11.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX Source: NEWSru.co.il
An upfront sentence was signed.

[vitaliy.rnd]

It has been experimentally established that the Turks can shout the word "yasak" 50 times a minute.

[Thompson]

Quote: Erg

So I say. I looked at Vladimirovich ... It was felt that he was not joking that it was no longer up to diplomacy. Specifically, everything is indicated.

I looked at the speech of Erdogan - like a naughty youngster, eyes scared. with buttons ...
But .. not a kid, you have to punish! Very hard!

[colonel manuch]

If the Syrian special forces rescued our pilot, then honor and praise them! But "dizziness from the success" of the operations of our Aerospace Forces should not be allowed, because we are not at home, and not everything in Syria is as good as the media show. specialists know better about this, I think that the dismantling of what happened will take place where it is necessary, but if this is another "mistake", hope (before departure) for "maybe", then this is already worse. Has the Georgian-Ossetian conflict really taught nothing? Or search and rescue operations (exercises) have not been carried out for a long time, "hands did not reach"? Now we need to draw the right conclusions from what happened and naturally "put Turkey in its place"! There are a great many ways, I think both Sergei Kozhugetovich and Vladimir Vladimirovich, together with Lavrov, will find the most acceptable and worthy ones, show and tell "HOO FROM HU".

[Ivan Tartugai]

The generals are to blame for the death of the aircraft, the loss of the helicopter, and most importantly, the death of the pilot and fighter of the Marine Corps.
Why did the SU-24 go on such a responsible and with a high degree of danger mission, almost close to the Turkish border?
Why was there no cover?
Why didn’t the missile defense of the aircraft work?
Where is the evacuation service for pilots from shot down or crashed aircraft?
The generals acted on the hap; Generals themselves do not directly risk their lives.

[Forest]

Usually Su-34 with Su-30 cover participated in such sorties in the north of Latakia, and it would never have occurred to anyone that Turkey would attack our plane on foreign territory. A missile defense system reduces by a percentage the chance of a missile hit. The missiles are designed to attack the actively maneuvering 4 generation fighter with powerful electronic warfare systems, and the 3 generation bomber is an easy target for them. PSS can not suddenly appear out of nowhere and right in the air to intercept pilots.

[Ivan Tartugai]

Have the Turks, or rather the Turkish authorities, shown themselves to be reliable partners? Turkey openly openly waited for the whole war to be able to attack the Soviet Union and tear off part of its territory. In the post-war period, provocations were constantly organized on the border and in the straits. The border with Turkey was the most tense for the border troops. Criminals hijacked planes in Turkey. In Turkey, NATO bases were located and now Turkey is a reliable partner of the states, not the Russian Federation.
Everyone has long seen that Turkey indirectly helps IS. Only generals do not see.
What could the generals expect from Turkey, some kind of sympathy? Everyone knows that Turkey will deceive and will not blink an eye, only the generals did not know this, only they "would never have imagined that Turkey would attack our plane on foreign territory."
What a head the generals thought. More likely did not think.

[Forest]

Prior to this, moreover, in the open, no one from NATO has ever allowed it. They quietly shot down, drowned, but openly using technology in the database zone - no.

[Ivan Tartugai]

Well, now they’ve shot down not in the open, but as if an intruder who allegedly violated the airspace of Turkey.
Although Lavrov at today's press conference said that the Turkish Air Force was waiting for our SU-24, i.e. there was an ambush on the SU-24. Naturally, Turkey gives out everything as the usual work of its air forces in supposedly protecting its airspace. But an ambush is not a spontaneous action. Everyone knows and everyone understands that Turkey would not have decided on such an action and even using F-16 on its own, without coordination with the states. It meant coordination between the states and Turkey, then the Turkish Air Force received a command, its execution was underway, preparations were being made, actions were being taken, people and senior personnel, and executors were involved, time passed. And again, our generals missed all the preparations and the ambush for our Air Force. Where was the intelligence, where is the GRU of the General Staff?
After all, these are not planned exercises with shooting and bombing at home, but real military operations in a foreign country. Accordingly, the generals should treat this adequately, that is, prepare and work on each of their actions, because the life of the executors of their orders depends on their decisions. If they are not ready and the decisions are not worked out, then it is better to cancel one or two bombings than to send people to "maybe carry over" and nothing may happen.

[Forest]

Shot down just in the open. Secretly - this is how Kursk was drowned.

[tol]

And they would have knocked down secretly - as ours at the beginning claimed that they would (be hushed up) from the ground if the Turks themselves did not recognize

[miru mir]

What I said, hope dies last, at least one pilot was pulled out.

[PROXOR]

Ours was pulled out!! Super!!!
Now:
The first is to raise the entire air wing!!! Replace FABs and OFABs with vacuum and napalm bombs. RAISE HELL where Sergei was killed!!!!! The Turks should be demolished 30 km from the border.
Second: to spit on the refusal of the ground operation, agree with Iran, create a common military unit and cut off the hydra's HEAD along the northern border of Syria. Deprive the opportunity to sell oil to Turkey, and Turkey to buy free oil!!!! After holding the border, move to the south, leaving weapons and equipment, including air defense systems, to the friendly Kurdish people.

I feel sorry for the aphids!!!!! Turkish faces in person!!!!!

[Mig-31]

Quote: Mig-31

Guys! will Russian special services be able to eliminate perdogan? Well there, a poisonous shot, an accident or better 9mm in the forehead!

Some traitor who doesn’t want the asshole to die minus slapped him! Aw where are you, traitor? Perhaps you're kissing a fart on the gums?

[Victor-M]

Erdogan has given himself a hard time, both literally and figuratively. Referring to the inviolability of his borders, he thereby signed and dragged all of NATO to the fact that they violated and are violating the borders of a sovereign state - Syria, and the measures taken by the Turkish side to destroy a Russian military aircraft can now be applied similarly and freely against all violators of the Syrian border .

[Victor bg]

The Russian ambassador to France confirmed the rescue of the second pilot of the Su-24 bomber shot down the day before. According to Alexander Orlov, he was picked up by soldiers of the Syrian army. Meanwhile, the Russian General Staff made a number of tough decisions and made adjustments to the anti-terrorist operation.


A Su-24 bomber crashed four kilometers from the Syrian border. The death of one pilot was confirmed by the Russian Ministry of Defense. The fate of the second still remains unknown, TV Center reports. On Wednesday, a Lebanese television channel, citing its own sources, reported that the pilot was found and rescued by Syrian special forces.

This information was confirmed by the Russian Ambassador to France. In an interview with Europe 1 radio, Alexander Orlov said that one of the pilots was “wildly killed by jihadists,” and the second managed to escape, after which he was picked up by Syrian army fighters.

The area where the bomber carried out a combat mission is considered one of the hotbeds of terrorism in Damascus. Until now, Turkey has not agreed with this. But during the rescue operation, this supposedly “moderate opposition” also shot down a Russian helicopter. One Marine was killed. After the crew had been evacuated, the combat vehicle was fired upon from mortars.
http://www.tvc.ru/news/show/id/81497

[Mestny]

Quote: Good Me

In general, this day can be called Black Tuesday of our operation of the Aerospace Forces in Syria, on which the "impenetrable electronic warfare bubble over Syria" so diligently inflated by URA-PESTS burst ...

Now, putting aside the former pomposity, it is worth admitting that we have been “washed”...

So much pathos, so much joyful drooling.
Is this stranger a masochist?
This is just the loss of one plane, as sometimes happens in war. A tragedy, no doubt, but... it happens.
The plane was shot down almost on the border with Turkey; it is extremely unlikely that any kind of “bubble” is operating in this territory. It's a bit far.

We'll see who "washed" whom later.
Be scared.

[okroshka79]

All the warlike rhetoric addressed to Turkey on the pages of this site is quite understandable. Just don’t forget that all the logistics support of our military group in Syria is carried out through the Black Sea straits and supplies of military equipment and military equipment for the Syrian Arab Republic are taking place. Therefore, I believe that the actions and statements of our leadership, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense will be balanced and verified with well-calculated next steps. Including in economic matters. You can lose a battle, like now, but you need to win the whole war. So, keep some people’s heated comments to yourself about “chewing snot” and don’t attack our military organizing operations in Syria with reproaches. Not so simple. They perform their task with dignity.

[Mik-51]

70-75% of commentators just want to ask: why, with such powerful and thorough knowledge of all the little details of military and aviation science, is it not you who commands the operation in Syria and the Armed Forces in general?!?
And I answer to myself: and THANK GOD!!!!!

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Erdogan must pay with his head for the dead Russians.

[bad]

During the operation, one of the helicopters was damaged as a result of small arms fire and made an emergency landing on neutral territory. One Marine contractor was killed.

..where is the official confirmation??Why are you inflating unconfirmed data?..maybe it’s a fake or a scam from “partners”..

[Roust]

To the survivors - long life. To the dead - eternal memory... I really hope that our Answer will be remembered by everyone forever.

[wicked pinnochio]

the navigator was brought to his special forces by Hezbollah, they are also great

[Orionvit]

Quote: Tatiana

If Russian pilot really alive then he may witness in the COURT against Erdogan as a war criminal, personally engaged in personal business raiding of Syrian oil with the help of the ISIS gangs controlled by him in Syria.

Erdogan under the COURT! He is a war criminal!

So what. In Ukraine, every second war criminal is in the “government”; in addition, they do business in Russian gas, and not only. They don't even hide it. By the way, they are much closer, close at hand, and have been asking for a long time. When and where will these people be judged?