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Media: one of the pilots shot down the Su-24 rescued during a special operation

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A Russian marine died in a rescue operation in northern Syria. We are talking about the operation to save the Russian pilots of the Russian Su-24 shot down by the Turkish Air Force. The operation involved two Mi-8 helicopters that were fired from the ground by militants. The representative of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation said that after the shelling one of the helicopters was forced to land in neutral territory.


RIA News cites a statement by a representative of the Russian General Staff:

During the operation, one of the helicopters as a result of fire from a small weapons received damage and made a forced landing on neutral territory. One marine contract soldier died.


Media: one of the pilots shot down the Su-24 rescued during a special operation


On the eve, in a number of Western media there was information that both Russian pilots (Su-24) were killed. Today in the Arabic-language media Al Mayadeen it is reported that the Syrian soldiers managed to evacuate one of the pilots to the territory under their control. The report says that communication with the pilot was restored after almost 6-hour searches. After discovering the landing site of the pilot, the fighters of the Syrian Special Forces around the 2 hours took the Russian soldier out of the rear of the terrorist group. According to reports from the same media, the Russian pilot is currently on the territory of the Hamim airbase.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not give any comments on this issue.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 25 November 2015 07: 06 New
    142
    Thank God, thanks to the Syrians, well done. good If only the truth.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2015 07: 11 New
      23
      The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not give any comments on this issue.
      that's when it will give ... and so is a reprint of foreign presses.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 25 November 2015 07: 14 New
        31
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not give any comments on this matter. Here when it will ...

        I agree, but I want to believe so. recourse
        1. yushch
          yushch 25 November 2015 07: 24 New
          33
          Вполне возможно.Потому-что проходила информация,что бородатые стали расстреливать летчиков в воздухе т.к.их сносило ветром на сторону правительственной армии.Один наш летчик не дотянул,второй возможно перелетел на"нашу"сторону.Да Бог,что-бы это было так!
          1. just exp
            just exp 25 November 2015 07: 51 New
            15
            if he flew to our side, then they would not have saved 6 hours. and for some reason the Syrian commandos rescued, although it seems like ours flew to the rescue.
            the sad thing is that the marine also died. and the pilot wasn’t saved, and the marine was lost.
            I really hope that Erdogan is hiccuping and thinking about reckoning in a cold sweat.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 25 November 2015 07: 54 New
              29
              If Russian pilot really alive then he may witness in the COURT against Erdogan as a war criminal, personally engaged in personal business raiding of Syrian oil with the help of the ISIS gangs controlled by him in Syria.

              Erdogan under the COURT! He is a war criminal!
              1. aleks 62 next
                aleks 62 next 25 November 2015 09: 00 New
                +8
                ..... Erdogan under the COURT! He is a war criminal! ...

                ....Мысль хорошая....Только кто судить будет????.....Или Вы сами притащите этого зарвавшегося "брата-мусульмана" в суд????
              2. MstislavHrabr
                MstislavHrabr 25 November 2015 09: 02 New
                +4
                I would like to hear the reaction to these events of the presidents of Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and our Tatarstan.
                1. Maksus
                  Maksus 25 November 2015 09: 30 New
                  +2
                  And these are some sideways.
                  1. Ezhaak
                    Ezhaak 25 November 2015 10: 55 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Maksus
                    And these are some sideways.

                    First - Muslims, and after - direct family ties of peoples. One and the same (almost) language.
                    Take at least Turkoman in syria and Turkmen in central asia. Don't you find anything in common?
                    1. Maksus
                      Maksus 25 November 2015 11: 36 New
                      +1
                      I don’t find it, believe me - Turkmens do not belong to the Turks in any way, believe the person who lived in Ashgabat for 10 years (Ashgabat is not for us, I'm used to it in the old way).
                      In the same way, you can Hindus и INDIANS level.
                      1. andj61
                        andj61 25 November 2015 12: 23 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Maksus
                        I don’t find it, believe me - Turkmens do not belong to the Turks in any way, believe the person who lived in Ashgabat for 10 years (Ashgabat is not for us, I'm used to it in the old way).
                        In the same way, you can Hindus и INDIANS level.

                        They themselves do not think so. They consider Sb and Turks to be one people. And their language differs at the level of difference between Russian dialects - except for the inclusion of Russian words in Turkmen.
                      2. Maksus
                        Maksus 25 November 2015 14: 37 New
                        -1
                        The Turkmen language is of course close to Turkish, but there are differences in both Russian and Bulgarian, or in Spanish and French.
                  2. andj61
                    andj61 25 November 2015 12: 21 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Hedgehog
                    First - Muslims, and after - direct family ties of peoples. One and the same (almost) language.
                    Take at least a Turkoman in Syria and a Turkman in Central Asia. Don't you find anything in common?

                    In fact, the Ottoman Turks are the descendants of part of the Turkmens (or Oghuz Turks), led by Osman who went to seek a better life from Central Asia to Asia Minor. Both themselves and those and others consider one people. In any case, Turkey has announced the slogan for Turkmenistan (as well as for Azerbaijan): one nation - two countries.
            2. the most important
              the most important 25 November 2015 10: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: Tatiana
              Erdogan under the COURT! He is a war criminal!

              Better under the tank! For aiding terrorists!
            3. Ze Kot
              Ze Kot 25 November 2015 11: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: Tatiana
              If Russian pilot really alive then he may witness in the COURT against Erdogan as a war criminal, personally engaged in personal business raiding of Syrian oil with the help of the ISIS gangs controlled by him in Syria.

              Erdogan under the COURT! He is a war criminal!



              It is necessary to demand that Turkey issue a pilot who opened fire and a man who did not give this good.
            4. NEXUS
              NEXUS 25 November 2015 11: 50 New
              +2
              Quote: Tatiana
              Erdogan under the COURT! He is a war criminal!

              Who will judge him, will it be? The Hague? So this is Washington’s estate with giblets. We essentially didn’t leave a choice and will have to punish ourselves, without courts and lawyers. The airborne forces equated the actions of the regular Turkish air force with the actions of ISIS. .And now, in the light of these words of our president, think what actions can be. Most likely, missile strikes on the militant bases in Turkey will soon be launched, they will also hurry outfit the Kurds with MANPADS and large-caliber systems. Also, I won’t be surprised if Syria will appear complexes S-300/400 ...
              I think Iran is stepping up its actions ... in general, there are many options for the development of events, and now it’s too early to talk about anything concrete. First of all, we need to take all our tourists out in order to untie our hands.
          2. pilot8878
            pilot8878 25 November 2015 08: 00 New
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            Quote: just explo
            and the marine died. and the pilot wasn’t saved, and the marine was lost.

            This is generally no way. The organization of the MSS - I don’t even know how to do it without a mat. Already knowing that 24s were shot down from the base, Mi-8s fly out without covering the strike group, although from the time of the DRA it has been known about the ambush of spirits in the area of ​​the fall. Result? The loss of marines, the loss of a helicopter, the failure of the PSO. I have no words.
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2015 08: 03 New
              12
              [quote][quote=pilot8878][quote=просто экспл] и морпех погиб . и пилота не спасли , и морпеха потеряли .[/quote]
              This is generally no way. PSS organization - I don’t even know how to do it without mata.[/ quote] --- Now let's not know everything, we will not judge? we are all HERE how smart ...
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 25 November 2015 08: 32 New
                +5
                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                now let's not know everything, we will not judge? we are all HERE how smart ...

                It’s too early to say anything about a special operation, but to send an airplane without cover to the Turkish border, given that the Turks made claims on the eve, it’s a clear mistake and I agree with pilot8878.
                1. Aleksey_K
                  Aleksey_K 25 November 2015 08: 49 New
                  +8
                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                  now let's not know everything, we will not judge? we are all HERE how smart ...

                  It’s too early to say anything about a special operation, but to send an airplane without cover to the Turkish border, given that the Turks made claims on the eve, it’s a clear mistake and I agree with pilot8878.

                  Are you not afraid of Israeli treacherous attacks? And Jordan is not our friend at all. And their borders are also not far away. What do you judge retroactively. There were no cases where Russian planes were shot down from Turkey, therefore they flew like that, and thought that they were our partners.
                  1. Ezhaak
                    Ezhaak 25 November 2015 11: 05 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Алексей_К
                    There were no cases that shot down Russian planes from Turkey,

                    But now, NATO, led by the Pentagon, has provided a precedent for all their aircraft. Crossed the border for a few seconds, you have the right to be shot down.
                    Which, incidentally, justifies the case of the South Korean airliner. It was far from a few seconds.
              2. Good me
                Good me 25 November 2015 09: 03 New
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                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                now let's not know everything, we will not judge? we are all HERE how smart ...


                Да, всего мы не знаем, и вероятно не узнаем никогда... Но вас самого не смущает тот факт, что реально ,в район,который контролируем бандами "НАШИХ"террористов,выходцев из России и стран СНГ, которые,как мы знаем,отличаются наивысочайшим уровнем подготовки и наиболее боеспособны из банд, командование,спланировавшее и проводившее поисково-спасательную операцию(и в итоге провалившее её, с потерей морского пехотинца и одного из вертолётов),наверняка знавшее об этом, отправило на операцию не более-менее защищённые Ми-24, а одни Ми-8 , без прикрытия ?

                On the network, yesterday, articles began to appear in which certain experts were not flattering about this operation, comparing it with similar ones taken during the search and attempts to evacuate pilots during the 08.08.08 conflict. All of them (experts) in one way or another, agree on one thing - the cart remained there, in 2008 ...

                Крайне негативно звучат отзывы о так называемых "маячках" "Комар",призванных автоматически подать сигнал бедствия. По словам тех,кто так или иначе соприкасался с изделием,вероятность его срабатывания штатно, так как задумывалось конструкторами,крайне низка, и выручает только "ручное" включение.

                And if the pilot is not able to do this? After all, it turns out that even if the pilot who died in the air would not have been, for some reason, detected by terrorists, then due to the low probability of the beacon being triggered, our MSS could not have detected it and evacuated the body ...

                Вообще, этот день можно назвать Чёрным Вторником нашей операции ВКС в Сирии, в который лопнул,так старательно раздуваемый УРА-ВРЕДИТЕЛЯМИ "непроницаемый РЭБ пузырь над Сирией"...

                Теперь,отбросив былую напыщенность, стоит признать, что нас "умыли"... Да, подло,коварно,из-под тишка,как сказал Путин, нанеся удар в спину , но умылись мы, нашей собственной кровью, исключительно из-за нашей беспечности и разгильдяйства. Разве нет ?

                Where at that moment were our electronic warfare, our fighter cover, air defense land and sea based?

                Решился, и смог бы пилот турецкого F-16, сам находящий под "засветкой" прицела, осуществить роковой для Су-24 пуск ?

                IN O P O R S ...

                Yes, and we do not judge anyone Andrey Yuryevich, but try to analyze ...
                1. Aleksey_K
                  Aleksey_K 25 November 2015 09: 51 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Good Me
                  Where at that moment were our electronic warfare, our fighter cover, air defense land and sea based?

                  Решился, и смог бы пилот турецкого F-16, сам находящий под "засветкой" прицела, осуществить роковой для Су-24 пуск ?

                  IN O P O R S ...

                  And we do not judge anyone, Andrei Yuryevich, but try to analyze ...

                  Вам бы в армии отслужить, может меньше вопросов будет. А ещё лучше станьте "профессиональным" офицером и начните воевать в горячих точках. Когда доберётесь до начальника генерального штаба, начнёте всё понимать. А то вопросы, вопросы..., а где были эти, а почему то не работало и про пузырь из РЭБ узнаете больше. И вообще всем этим Вы и будете руководить. А лопухи гражданские Вас будут осуждать, почему до сих пор в армии нет бластеров и гравицап, почему не перемешаемся в пространстве как летающие тарелки.
                  I will explain briefly. In Syria, an operation is underway to free the territory of Syria from ISIS bandits. It is held at a neutral stop with a coalition of NATO forces. We are not offended by either the Americans or the French, nor the Germans, nor the British. Therefore, our aircraft flew without cover. Therefore, electronic warfare systems were not included. Their inclusion in the long run will eventually lead to the creation of countermeasures by the Americans. There is no rescue system for pilots in enemy territory, this is not a catapult. Salvation always translates into a most powerful battle with the enemy in his environment, there it is necessary not to send a rescue group about several companies of special forces. But you are not to ruin dozens of other lives because of one pilot. And then this pilot will be tormented with conscience all his life. There’s no more time to explain common truths to you. Think and think with your head.
                  1. figter
                    figter 25 November 2015 11: 09 New
                    +2
                    Aleksey_K (3) SU Today, 09: 51 ↑ New
                    Вам бы в армии отслужить, может меньше вопросов будет. А ещё лучше станьте "профессиональным" офицером и начните воевать в горячих точках. Когда доберётесь до начальника генерального штаба, начнёте всё понимать. А то вопросы, вопросы..., а где были эти, а почему то не работало и про пузырь из РЭБ узнаете больше. И вообще всем этим Вы и будете руководить. А лопухи гражданские Вас будут осуждать, почему до сих пор в армии нет бластеров и гравицап, почему не перемешаемся в пространстве как летающие тарелки.
                    I will explain briefly. In Syria, an operation is underway to free the territory of Syria from ISIS bandits. It is held at a neutral stop with a coalition of NATO forces. We are not offended by either the Americans or the French, nor the Germans, nor the British. Therefore, our aircraft flew without cover. Therefore, electronic warfare systems were not included. Their inclusion in the long run will eventually lead to the creation of countermeasures by the Americans. There is no rescue system for pilots in enemy territory, this is not a catapult. Salvation always translates into a most powerful battle with the enemy in his environment, there it is necessary not to send a rescue group about several companies of special forces. But you are not to ruin dozens of other lives because of one pilot. And then this pilot will be tormented with conscience all his life. There’s no more time to explain common truths to you. Think and think with your head.

                    А что неправильного Вам опонент написал? При чем тут "станьте профессиональным офицером...и т.д."? Мало ли кто нас не обижает..?! Командир любого ранга обязан в любое время дня и ночи, в мирное и военное время принять меры по организации охраны и самообороны, боевого, технического и тылового обеспечения, взаимодействия с соседними подразделениями, подразделениями других родов войск. Идут боевые действия! О чем Вы говорите! Да если бы тут было видно хотя бы какое-то планирование боевых действий - его просто нет! Бессистемные действия авиации непосредственной поддержки, без прикрытия истребителей хотя бы из зоны на наиболее опасных направлениях, без использования самолетов Р и РЭБ в группе, использования вертолетов РЭБ для засвета РЛС противника при нанесении самолетами ударов и т.д. Где эта элементарщина? Какая разница с кем воюют - с террористами ИГИЛ или НАТО, тактические правила и действия, прописанные в Боевых уставах неизменны и требуют повсеместного выполнения в любых условиях. А то что мы увидели в Сирии - это махновщина. Не хватает сил и средств - требуй увеличения, обосновывай свои требования и решения перед вышестоящим командованием, умри, но обеспечь подчиненным выполнение боевой задачи так, как это положено. Боевые уставы прописаны кровью и последний случай тому подтверждение.
                2. Gomel
                  Gomel 25 November 2015 09: 51 New
                  10
                  two crocodiles there was a video
                  besides, questions have already appeared how the Marine died - accidentally from shelling or during a battle
                  We look who was there:
                  1. Turkoman bearded men
                  2. bearded men from SSA
                  3. controllers from the Turkish special services
                  4. at least one Turkish special forces unit (their role is not clear - they appeared much later, either to control roofing felts to try to save pilots / as an option to capture)
                  5. the local population is mostly opposed to Assad (the same Turkomans, only younger and without flags, but with Kalash)
                  6. parts of CAA (quite far)
                  7. SAA Special Forces arrived later, possibly at the same time as Turkish Special Forces
                  8. Russian team PSS

                  ИМХО, в дано случае сработал фактор "пока гром не грянет..." наземная команда не была готова к внезапной проблеме. Самолет исправен, пилоты профессионалы. Развитой ПВО у ребелов нет. Мы русские никогда не ждем подлости, и никогда не ждали сколько в нашей истории уже такого было.
                  1. Good me
                    Good me 25 November 2015 11: 45 New
                    0
                    Quote: Gomel
                    two crocodiles there was a video


                    This fact, I can admit, could have missed the information in the news shaft.
                    Но хоть убейте, не мгу воспринять НЕОБХОДИМОСТЬ посылать в "кашу" из противника
                    We look who was there:
                    1. Turkoman bearded men
                    2. bearded men from SSA
                    3. controllers from the Turkish special services
                    4. at least one Turkish special forces unit (their role is not clear - they appeared much later, either to control roofing felts to try to save pilots / as an option to capture)
                    5. the local population is mostly opposed to Assad (the same Turkomans, only younger and without flags, but with Kalash)
                    Ми-"восьмые"...

                    Mi-24-e, as more armed and protected, having an airborne squad, it would be, in my opinion, RIGHT to use ...

                    Поэтому , ВОПРОСЫ остаются. Не только лишь к ПСО, а всей бездеятельности, приведшей к такому"щелчку по-носу"...
                  2. Nosgoth
                    Nosgoth 26 November 2015 16: 01 New
                    0
                    Crocodiles later only flew
                3. 34 region
                  34 region 25 November 2015 10: 01 New
                  +4
                  I’m nepoymy. Does our president seriously consider our sworn partners friends? Straight idiotic gullibility! They will never be brothers to us. At least sell the whole country and put everything at their feet. Well never! Just never.
                4. Victor-M
                  Victor-M 25 November 2015 10: 51 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Good Me
                  Теперь,отбросив былую напыщенность, стоит признать, что нас "умыли".

                  Это называется не "умыли", а не фиг кооперироваться с врагом. Если хочешь что-то сделать нормально, сделай это сам. Держать открытой спину, зная что позади враг, это по крайней мере легкомысленно.
                  1. Good me
                    Good me 25 November 2015 12: 13 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Victor-M
                    Quote: Good Me
                    Теперь,отбросив былую напыщенность, стоит признать, что нас "умыли".

                    Это называется не "умыли", а не фиг кооперироваться с врагом. Если хочешь что-то сделать нормально, сделай это сам. Держать открытой спину, зная что позади враг, это по крайней мере легкомысленно.


                    Even so. But the two dead of our guys, lost Sushka and Mi-8, and Thank God and it is not known what efforts and losses of the standing but successfully completed operation to rescue the second pilot (navigator), this is a LESSON.

                    What did they say? Charters written in blood?
            2. varov14
              varov14 25 November 2015 08: 34 New
              +6
              Вообще выскажу крамольную мысль, а где средства самозащиты были у самолета, по моему у наших военачальниках в голове калькулятор, а в глазах "зелень", т.е. будущие преференции, люди как всегда в стороне. Чтобы увеличить бомбовую нагрузку все остальное наверняка сняли. Видимо обещали Путину легкую войнушку, а быстро не покатило и стали летать по одному, без прикрытия да к тому-же и средств самозащиты. Или у нас что 24 слепой, где эти отстреливаемые ракетки. Одни как всегда герои, а другие хапуги, ничего не меняется.
              1. major124
                major124 25 November 2015 08: 46 New
                +5
                Yes! They reported that they shot down a missile with a thermal guidance head! Where are the SU-24 heat traps ???
                1. Gomel
                  Gomel 25 November 2015 09: 56 New
                  +2
                  Communicated reported ... A lot of what is reported. f-16 entered the space of Syria, caught up with su-24 and actually shot down at point blank range. and no one will say what. On the maps (both provided by the Russian Ministry of Defense and Turkish) between the nearest points (on the track) of the aircraft - 1-2 km. At such speeds between the fixation points (tracks), he could come at least 500 meters, or close, and then return .... I don’t know if the traps would have saved them or not ...
                2. Mik-51
                  Mik-51 25 November 2015 12: 10 New
                  +1
                  Quote: major124
                  varov14


                  You just do not be offended, but you absolutely do not understand what you are talking about. Typical statements couch strategists. I speak as a man who was retrained on the Su-24 in 1975, he passed military tests with us. And you just carry nonsense.
              2. pilot8878
                pilot8878 25 November 2015 11: 02 New
                +1
                В бою между Су-24 и F-16 победителем выйдет 16, всё-таки "сухой" бомбардировщик, а фалкон истребитель.
            3. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 25 November 2015 08: 45 New
              0
              Quote: pilot8878
              Quote: just explo
              and the marine died. and the pilot wasn’t saved, and the marine was lost.

              This is generally no way. The organization of the MSS - I don’t even know how to do it without a mat. Already knowing that 24s were shot down from the base, Mi-8s fly out without covering the strike group, although from the time of the DRA it has been known about the ambush of spirits in the area of ​​the fall. Result? The loss of marines, the loss of a helicopter, the failure of the PSO. I have no words.

              So it was necessary to write their proposals. In Syria, the Internet is still working and they are reading us.
              1. 34 region
                34 region 25 November 2015 10: 04 New
                +1
                Why ulcerate. Pilot8878 is right. It seems that they didn’t think about safety measures.
                1. Aleksey_K
                  Aleksey_K 25 November 2015 14: 42 New
                  -2
                  Quote: 34 region
                  Why ulcerate. Pilot8878 is right. It seems that they didn’t think about safety measures.

                  You have just written a blatant lie. Your goal is to discredit our armed forces.
              2. lelikas
                lelikas 25 November 2015 11: 47 New
                +2
                Quote: Алексей_К
                So it was necessary to write their proposals. In Syria, the Internet is still working and they are reading us.

                Т.Е. несколько десятков постов о том , что посылать 8 ки без прикрытия "Крокодилов" - было халатностью , Вас не убедило вообще никак ?
                1. Aleksey_K
                  Aleksey_K 25 November 2015 14: 30 New
                  -3
                  Quote: lelikas
                  Quote: Алексей_К
                  So it was necessary to write their proposals. In Syria, the Internet is still working and they are reading us.

                  Т.Е. несколько десятков постов о том , что посылать 8 ки без прикрытия "Крокодилов" - было халатностью , Вас не убедило вообще никак ?

                  Так Вы почитайте комментарии читателя "Гомель" и не пишите всякую ерунду. Прикрытие было. А бой - это всегда бой. И никогда ещё в боях не было без потерь. А если лучше всех всё знаете, напишите заявление в военкомате и Вас направят в Сирию руководить операциями спасения. Вы там всем нашим покажете, как надо действовать.
                  And dozens of posts are written by readers who are not related to the fighting in Syria. And they write hotly and often write frank stupidity, I’m telling you as a former officer.
            4. Gomel
              Gomel 25 November 2015 09: 43 New
              +7
              at least two crocodiles flew with cover (judging by the video) and judging by the comments on other resources, 8 was very in a hurry with the doors open and two heads from the door, and left and right ....
              there was a shelling from small arms, no matter how the marine was equipped, in this case the bullet didn’t get lucky.
              the second mi-8 was fired four times, the first time tightly from the rifle, the second time (after landing and the departure of the crew) from the ATGM (there is a video), the third time with mortar fire. Later, the VKS covered the remains of the helicopter yet (not indicated by volley or bombs) with the bearded people gathered
            5. Lieutenant colonel
              Lieutenant colonel 25 November 2015 10: 04 New
              +3
              On the video that walks on the network - 8 is clearly visible, accompanied by 24. The MSS is always organized and conducted with the participation of fire support helicopters.
            6. Petrix
              Petrix 25 November 2015 10: 40 New
              0
              Quote: pilot8878
              Mi-8 without cover for the strike group

              On the rollers about the Su-24, two helicopters appeared at the end. One Mi-8, and the other Mi-24. Although it may be shots from a different plot.
          3. sssla
            sssla 25 November 2015 09: 01 New
            +3
            Quote: just explo
            if he flew to our side, then they would not have saved 6 hours

            Have you been to the mountains? There is a straight line of 1 kilometer and a couple of hours to go so no need to write))
          4. yushch
            yushch 25 November 2015 09: 02 New
            0
            Quote: just EXPL
            if he flew to our side, then they would not have saved 6 hours. and for some reason the Syrian commandos rescued, although it seems like ours flew to the rescue.
            the sad thing is that the marine also died. and the pilot wasn’t saved, and the marine was lost.
            I really hope that Erdogan is hiccuping and thinking about reckoning in a cold sweat.


            Do you think that he landed right on the position of the government army? He could land in the mountains in nobody controlled territory, that's why they searched for him for so long. It was just my assumption because there is no off.inf yet, so do not try to refute it.
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        3. Gomel
          Gomel 25 November 2015 09: 37 New
          0
          It seems to me, according to the published videos and photos, the second pilot was already dead and maybe even at the time of the bailout (terrible burns on the face, head and no movements during the descent ...)

          I have questions:
          1. Does Su-24 have an automatic bailout system?
          2. Is it possible to actively maneuver on the used parachutes in the su-24?
      2. Now we are free
        Now we are free 25 November 2015 08: 17 New
        23
        I post the photo, it seems like it’s not fake, the Slavs are clearly around the pilot, so our specialists / marines still pulled out the guy. The Syrians provided cover for the evacuation. At the pilot in the hands of the AKM, I had to shoot as well as specialists saving him.

        (Image is clickable)
        1. just exp
          just exp 25 November 2015 08: 38 New
          +9
          if it’s a rescued pilot. thank God that they pulled him out.
          Now we need to knock out the body of the deceased and fill that territory with napalm then black earth.
        2. zanoza
          zanoza 25 November 2015 09: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: Now we are free
          there are clearly Slavs around the pilot

          This is most likely a snapshot of the MSS of the downed Mi-8 (there are two pilots: one is sitting, the other is partially visible at the top right.
          Напрягает, что у группы отсутствует "броня", не на прогулку вылетали. Да и родным, такой снимок без "брони", не придаст уверенности в безопастности своих близких.
          В "Комсомолке" есть видио выхода этой группы на позиции сирийцев.http://www.kp.ru/online/news/2231680/
        3. belui
          belui 25 November 2015 09: 10 New
          +5
          This is a helicopter crew

          The crew of the Russian helicopter, shot down today north of Latakia, was saved by the SAA special forces. They are safe
          1. Oprichnik
            Oprichnik 25 November 2015 09: 38 New
            +7
            In terms of equipment, a newly formed partisan detachment. Complacency, poor organization of the MSS, gouging, lack of on-board Su-24 countermeasures to at least V-V missiles, poor training of commanders and chiefs for competent management of entrusted units in such situations, and finally The low demands of commanders of all ranks is the reason for this tragedy.
            Regulatory vocabulary expended.
          2. Lieutenant colonel
            Lieutenant colonel 25 November 2015 10: 12 New
            0
            In fact, the pilot only has a PM with ammunition in the kit. Helicopter pilots take AKSU. If the pilot was shot down, AKM was already taking it on the ground.
      3. marna
        marna 25 November 2015 13: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        but I want to believe so much

        Everything is fine with the second pilot, alive and well. MO confirmed in the news. smile
    2. Yarik
      Yarik 25 November 2015 09: 00 New
      +4
      The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not give any comments on this issue. And what can they give ???? How could it happen that they practically put an unarmed plane under attack, or did they not know about 333 warnings of the Turks that they would shoot down ??? How could it happen that MI-8 flew to save the pilots without any kind of cover over the bandiuk’s territory? This. what is kindergarten?
    3. timurpl
      timurpl 25 November 2015 09: 15 New
      +2
      /// Two Mi-8 helicopters participated in the operation ///
      - Why only two?
      -Where are combat helicopters to protect the rescue team ??
      -p.s. Понимаю,что ответка на высшем эшелоне должна быть особо взвешена но один хрен надеялся утром услышать,что наши за ночь "случайно" сбили 2-3 турецких пепелацЦа...
  2. Hammer
    Hammer 25 November 2015 07: 50 New
    10
    Well, praise to the Gods and the Syrian and Russian special forces !!! soldier
    At least one good news. good
    It remains only to pull the body of the second pilot from the clutches of the terrorists.

    And of course, sorry for the marines ...
    But she’s such a service ... risky.
    1. Good me
      Good me 25 November 2015 09: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: Hammer
      Well, praise to the Gods and the Syrian and Russian special forces !!!


      It is very sad that the special forces have to work like this, correcting other people's mistakes and miscalculations ...
  3. cniza
    cniza 25 November 2015 08: 01 New
    +6
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Thank God, thanks to the Syrians, well done. good If only the truth.



    Very similar to the truth, we will believe. Erdogan let him know that his star went to sunset.
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  5. vkl-47
    vkl-47 25 November 2015 08: 08 New
    +9
    the Syrians truly appreciate what we do for them. and reciprocate, risking not less but even more. I hope that the pilot is alive
  6. Trailer
    Trailer 25 November 2015 08: 09 New
    -1
    It is not true. There is a video where they are processed from the DShK during descent to the ground. In addition, yesterday the second photo was published. Our uniform
  7. urii
    urii 25 November 2015 09: 18 New
    +5
    How to save Russian pilots
  8. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 25 November 2015 09: 29 New
    -3
    God forbid, that was true .... but the rescue operation was carried out simply horror how incompetent, they lost another soldier .....
    1. Lieutenant colonel
      Lieutenant colonel 25 November 2015 10: 20 New
      +4
      Excuse me - Alexey - but competently - how do you think? What exactly is incompetent in the fact that the MSS moved to the area of ​​the fall, conducted reconnaissance, was fired upon? Or do you need to abandon all aviation and the fleet? Do you know how the MSS task is set before departure? As a rule, it sounds - board No.№ ..... Departure in .... min, the task is in the air.
  9. Sura
    Sura 25 November 2015 09: 48 New
    0
    And why do they have parachutes other than a flying wing? ... So it would be possible, like maneuvering and moving farther from the place of throwing.
    1. Themi30
      Themi30 25 November 2015 10: 09 New
      +2
      I would like to see how you survive with your wing, if there is a bailout near the ground.
      1. Sura
        Sura 25 November 2015 10: 46 New
        -4
        You could believe YOUR koment if there were no base jumping fellow
        1. pilot8878
          pilot8878 25 November 2015 11: 12 New
          0
          Quote: Sura
          You could believe YOUR koment if there were no base jumping

          а какова, в среднем, масса бейсджамперов. А у летчика (+ППК, +НАЗ, +средства самозащиты и спасения). К-36 работает при 0/0. Какие условия для работы "крыла"?
          1. Sura
            Sura 25 November 2015 11: 40 New
            -2
            There is such an organization as the KB design bureau http://topwar.ru/35060-katapultiruemye-kresla-istoriya-poyavleniya.html, they are obliged to calculate all this, but I cannot be a profession like me.
            1. Themi30
              Themi30 25 November 2015 12: 41 New
              -1
              But your profession, I look, is suitable for unfounded accusations of ejection seat designers of incompetence, are you there by profession, hohlopressa?
              Even if you don’t give details about the equipment, the base jumper holds the exhaust parachute open, it’s silly to compare it in your hand. (Let me remind you that our seats save from zero altitude)
              I'm in parachuting, as in parachutes - a complete zero, and I do not want to talk about the possibilities in development, but your attack on the side of our catapults looks like a govnovbros.
            2. Themi30
              Themi30 25 November 2015 12: 41 New
              -1
              But your profession, I look, is suitable for unfounded accusations of ejection seat designers of incompetence, are you there by profession, hohlopressa?
              Even if you don’t give details about the equipment, the base jumper holds the exhaust parachute open, it’s silly to compare it in your hand. (Let me remind you that our seats save from zero altitude)
              I'm in parachuting, as in parachutes - a complete zero, and I do not want to talk about the possibilities in development, but your attack on the side of our catapults looks like a govnovbros.
              1. Sura
                Sura 25 November 2015 13: 03 New
                -1
                Ek breaks you, heartfelt! ... Under OUR you mow, are you trying to earn cheap credibility?
                For my part, there was not a single word saying that the catapults are bad, but, on the contrary, see the link I gave above http://topwar.ru/35060-katapultiruemye-kresla-istoriya-poyavleniya.html. I just made a proposal to replace uncontrolled parachutes with controllable ones, based on the situation with the pilots (all comments are in front of my eyes), in the morning, connect the brain to the language laughing
                1. WUA 518
                  WUA 518 25 November 2015 15: 28 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Sura
                  guided parachutes guided

                  Это парашют для профи,на крыле прыгают после 100 прыжков на обычном,после курса обучения. Непрофессионал может легко "сложить" крыло.Это первый аспект. Второй : парашют крыло обладает большой горизонтальной скоростью,и требует управления. А теперь представьте,что летчик ранен.
                  1. Sura
                    Sura 25 November 2015 18: 55 New
                    0
                    Yes, I understand everything, a classmate and many friends served in the landing party about D-5 and D-6 was not a little told, you get down, they speak on it like wood chock. A classmate jumped for two years in the landing 56 times for each jump they paid 3 rubles, served in a sports school and talked a lot about sports parachutes. It’s not for nothing that I wrote about design bureaus that a parachute should be made controllable for that and design bureau to invent. You, as teenagers, are only black and white i.e. an ordinary parachute and a wing, and all and more of which there cannot be anything, because there can be none when.
                    Even after Magellan proved that the earth was round, they burned it for a long time at the stake, because EVERYONE knew that the earth was flat and stood on three pillars and that KNEW EVERYTHING. The bone of thinking, gentlemen, is a difficult thing to break through. Everything seems to be simple, but you must definitely chew, stuff it into your mouth and make it swallow.
                    1. Themi30
                      Themi30 26 November 2015 14: 50 New
                      -1
                      Yes, I understand everything, a classmate and many friends served in the landing party about D-5 and D-6 was not a little told

                      well then it’s clear, they told you the same, and you decided to link the paratrooper, base jumper and bailout into the same thing, a true expert.
                      From the simplest, I explain.
                      1. The wing needs to be controlled, a pilot wounded or unconscious, cannot do this (this is important at low altitudes)
                      2. the base jumper damps speed by jumping from low altitudes due to strong horizontal displacement, including (I suspect that this is so, I will not remind you), according to the situation from point 1, this is not suitable for bailout.
                      For my part, there was not a single word saying that catapults are bad

                      Well, yes, I forgot that the catapult and the parachute system for it are in no way connected things in expert circles.
                      Ek breaks you, heartfelt!

                      You flatter yourself, from a simple bolabol I will not break.
                      Under OUR mowing, trying to earn cheap credibility

                      It seems to me that everything is not normal with your head, at least I didn’t really understand who your people are and why I need their authority.
                    2. Sura
                      Sura 30 November 2015 14: 31 New
                      -1
                      N, but what brings what brings what nonsense ...

                      It seems to me that everything is not normal with your head, at least I didn’t really understand who your people are and why I need their authority.

                      According to psychotherapists, every fourth inhabitant of the planet is a schizophrenic to one degree or another, you seem to be yours and betrayed yourself, when it seems this is no longer normal, turn to specialists, maybe it's not too late?
  • Cthulhu
    Cthulhu 25 November 2015 11: 46 New
    +2
    The RNS news agency received confirmation from our ambassador in France that the co-pilot is alive and saved by the Syrians good
  • His
    His 25 November 2015 20: 00 New
    0
    Just listen.
  • Private IITR
    Private IITR 25 November 2015 07: 07 New
    16
    We must not leave it so simple.
    1. paxil
      paxil 25 November 2015 07: 12 New
      +9
      Quote: Private OITR
      We must not leave it so simple.

      Be sure we won’t leave it, we’ll not catch up with it and we won’t leave it again. Yesterday I watched Putin’s interview, his face was such that the Turks did not bode well.
    2. Dr. Lecturer
      Dr. Lecturer 25 November 2015 07: 17 New
      -28
      To my regret, they have already left. Erdogan made flags, journalists, the prime minister made them the same way, with a general meaning, we won’t allow it. And our snot chewed and defense mines voiced UNCOMPLETE actions. Shame and shame.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 25 November 2015 07: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: Doctor Lecturer
        To My regret they have already left.


      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 25 November 2015 07: 27 New
        41
        Quote: Doctor Lecturer
        .And our snot chewed and defense mines voiced UNLAWFUL actions. Shame and shame.

        That is, the statement of the Moscow Region that we will destroy all the targets that threaten our planes are snot?
        1. Erg
          Erg 25 November 2015 07: 33 New
          14
          "Сопли" - это Эрдоган. Не хочу, сравнивая, обижать девчонок. Но то, что он не мужик... К бабке не ходи.
        2. Banshee
          Banshee 25 November 2015 07: 34 New
          11
          Come on you. Mr. D.L. from that cohort that will scream about immediate nuclear retaliation and other things in any case. Amoebic consciousness, there is nothing to do, unfortunately.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 25 November 2015 07: 36 New
            0
            Quote: Banshee
            Amoeba consciousness, there is nothing to be done, unfortunately.

            Amputation of the head? Hello roma
          2. Sober
            Sober 25 November 2015 07: 52 New
            0
            Unfortunately, there are not so few of them.
          3. Dr. Lecturer
            Dr. Lecturer 25 November 2015 08: 19 New
            +1
            Yes, there is a desire for retaliation, but it could only wish that it was nuclear. But the rhetoric could be brighter both in the face of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and in the face of the Ministry of Defense. I will not make any assumptions (UN Security Council, recall of the ambassador, evacuation citizens from Turland, etc.) Amoeba consciousness is when you are in the face, and you are sorry, I'm sorry. When you try to kick any trash (Ukraine, the Baltic states, partners) and there are no consequences INTERNATIONAL PRAAAAVO
            1. 34 region
              34 region 25 November 2015 10: 25 New
              -3
              Yes Lecturer! There is a straight groin kick. The policy of substituting cheeks and other parts of the body is incomprehensible.
        3. Dr. Lecturer
          Dr. Lecturer 25 November 2015 08: 08 New
          0
          Well, maybe I missed something in the news about the destruction of threatening goals.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 25 November 2015 10: 31 New
            0
            Quote: Doctor Lecturer
            Well, maybe I missed something in the news about the destruction of threatening goals.

            «Крейсер "Москва", оснащенный системой ПВО "Форт", аналогичной С-300, займет район в прибрежной части Латакии, а all targets that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed»
            More details: http://79.120.77.163/001/page.php?id=391
        4. vicdoc63
          vicdoc63 25 November 2015 08: 26 New
          +3
          this is only a statement so far.
      3. plotnikov561956
        plotnikov561956 25 November 2015 07: 33 New
        22
        Revenge ... the dish is cold and does not like rush ..
      4. Altona
        Altona 25 November 2015 07: 35 New
        +7
        Quote: Doctor Lecturer
        But our snot chewed and mine defense spoke of unfriendly actions. Shame and shame.

        -------------------------
        They didn’t chew anything ... Will there be revenge, or did Constantinople have to be ironed immediately by the 102nd?
      5. Denis DV
        Denis DV 25 November 2015 07: 37 New
        +9
        Quote: Doctor Lecturer
        Erdogan made flags, journalists, their prime minister spoke the same way, with a common sense, we will not allow.

        Bullshit, Erdogan swallowed his snot at a performance, lied and busted, saying - I'm not me and not my horse, and NATO will help us negative
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      7. just exp
        just exp 25 November 2015 07: 52 New
        16
        politics is such a thing where in the open they do not swear and do not threaten.
        and Putin openly said that the Turks are at the same time with ISIS.
        and that says a lot.
        1. 34 region
          34 region 25 November 2015 10: 27 New
          -1
          Turks at the same time with ISIS! So what? Now will we bomb Turkey?
      8. Pawel1626
        Pawel1626 25 November 2015 07: 56 New
        +6
        Quote: Doctor Lecturer
        And our snot chewed


        Haste is needed when catching fleas. But there is no need to rush here. It is necessary to act gradually, but inevitably, so that the leadership of the Turks at night becomes scrawled from fear and hopelessness
      9. cniza
        cniza 25 November 2015 08: 04 New
        +4
        The time will come, there will be flags for him, everything will be ...
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      11. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 November 2015 16: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: Dr. Lecturer
        To my regret, they have already left. Erdogan made flags, journalists, the prime minister made them the same way, with a general meaning, we won’t allow it. And our snot chewed and defense mines voiced UNCOMPLETE actions. Shame and shame.

        Вы уважаемый видимо не понимаете,что существует дипломатический язык,в котором нет ни мата,ни выражений "слышь ты" и тд...кому надо было ,те все поняли ,включая и турецкую сторону.Дип язык существует не один век и для нас он чаще не понятен и мягок,но это не значит,что на этом языке не было(в переводе)озвучено то,что некоторые форумчане говорят простым языком.
        In addition, you should not hurry in such matters, you can break firewood. And the answer must be weighed and thought out to the point. So stop hacking power, everything is just beginning. And in this Turkish gambit (I tell you as a professional chess player) the debut stage .
    3. 34 region
      34 region 25 November 2015 10: 16 New
      -1
      Well, why not just leave it? We can deeply regret this. And the fact that after that the tanker with oil will begin to undermine and sink, we have nothing to do with it. How many weapons and competitors are there!
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 25 November 2015 12: 28 New
        0
        Tankers with oil if drowned, so all the seas will perish. Drown while empty! There was nothing to carry.
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  • atalef
    atalef 25 November 2015 07: 08 New
    12
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Thank God, thanks to the Syrians, well done. good If only the truth.

    It would be great, but so far it looks like a fake.
    If this were so, the MO would already give a comment.
    So it seems to me.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2015 07: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: atalef
      It would be great, but so far it looks like a fake

      Yes, Sasha, suspiciously ... (I welcome ...) I don’t understand why on the site to upload unconfirmed information?
      1. miru mir
        miru mir 25 November 2015 10: 23 New
        +3
        Но и "хоронить" летуна преждевременно-негоже. Подтверждения его гибели тоже нет. Are obliged to hope for the best.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2015 11: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: miru mir
          Но и "хоронить" летуна преждевременно-негоже. Подтверждения его гибели тоже нет. Are obliged to hope for the best.

          alive! he’s alive Egor! )))
    2. 3officer
      3officer 25 November 2015 07: 12 New
      +1
      Such info would be a special issue for all media.
    3. Mera joota
      Mera joota 25 November 2015 07: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: atalef
      It would be great, but so far it looks like a fake.

      For all time, several versions have already appeared:
      1. Both are alive and are in the Turkish police
      2. One died, the second captured by the Turkmen
      3. Both shot in the air
      Well, now one has died, one has been saved. Given the fact that the Turkmens claimed that they had one killed pilot whom they want to exchange, the fate of the second is unknown and anything can be.
  • inkass_98
    inkass_98 25 November 2015 07: 08 New
    12
    We will wait for official communications. But if you saved the pilot, then this is great news.
    Но почему поисковую партию "крокодилы" не прикрывали - вот вопрос! Выводы надо делать немедленно, ошибки в организации поисковой работы просто вопиющие.
    1. 3officer
      3officer 25 November 2015 07: 26 New
      +6
      24 были на видео.Но там явная заготовка,все горы как бы "случайно" с "умеренными" туркоманами со стволами.
  • NC1982
    NC1982 25 November 2015 07: 11 New
    +1
    So far, more conflicting messages than affirmative. It was already that supposedly the bodies of both pilots were found and the monkeys were ready to exchange them for their prisoners characters. I want to believe that both are alive ..
  • BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 25 November 2015 07: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Thank God, thanks to the Syrians, well done. good If only the truth.

    It would be great, but so far it looks like a fake.
    If this were so, the MO would already give a comment.
    So it seems to me.

    the source is not reliable, but on Anna News the rescue of helicopter pilots with mi-8
    and so of course, give GOD
  • Vadimsh
    Vadimsh 25 November 2015 07: 12 New
    +2
    we will hope
  • Altona
    Altona 25 November 2015 07: 13 New
    +5
    I would like to see how cruise missiles of different types — both air and sea-based — will fly through Turkey ... And even then Recepka whines at NATO headquarters, his friends turn out to be just as mean ...
    1. There are a lot of us
      There are a lot of us 25 November 2015 07: 29 New
      +3
      But you don’t have to fly by ...
  • Kradi
    Kradi 25 November 2015 07: 14 New
    +2
    Let's hope this is true. There can be several reasons for the silence of the Moscow Oblast; one can only guess for now. For example, the state of the pilot. Why only two Mi 8s participated in the search is also a question. We won’t be told the details, but we hope that these are not organization mistakes, but an adequate reaction to the operational situation.
  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 25 November 2015 07: 14 New
    +3
    Lord, give good luck to the man! Chuzhili laid out on the Internet that both were shot in the air!
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 25 November 2015 07: 15 New
    +2
    Great news.
    Syrians understand for whom we risk our lives.
  • Sars
    Sars 25 November 2015 07: 15 New
    11
    Грубейшие просчеты командующих операцией! Почему Су-24 не прикрывался Су-30? Почему нет готовности спецназа в любой момент начать операцию по спасению и эвакуации летчиков?. Почему спецназ не прикрывался с воздуха? Как говорил товарищ Сталин - "головокруженье от успехов".
    1. Junior, I
      Junior, I 25 November 2015 07: 20 New
      10
      All comes with experience!
      Now they will take it as a rule.
      I would also declare the territory of Syria a no-fly zone for all those who are not officially involved in the operation against the IS and covered with an air defense umbrella.
      1. rf xnumx
        rf xnumx 25 November 2015 07: 26 New
        10
        Quote: Younger, I
        I would also declare the territory of Syria a no-fly zone for all those who are not officially involved in the operation against the IS and covered with an air defense umbrella.
        1. Shark Lover
          Shark Lover 25 November 2015 07: 31 New
          +1
          Someone enlighten. But can he?
          1. Banshee
            Banshee 25 November 2015 07: 36 New
            +6
            Вполне может. На нем стоит "Форт", это морской аналог С-300.
          2. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 25 November 2015 07: 36 New
            +5
            Quote: Shark Lover
            Someone enlighten. But can he?

            Some types of missiles in height up to 25000km, in range to 200km.
            1. andj61
              andj61 25 November 2015 08: 01 New
              +7
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Quote: Shark Lover
              Someone enlighten. But can he?

              Some types of missiles in height up to 25000km, in range to 200km.

              Причём 200 км на ровной местности - это гарантированный рубеж поражения цели при стрельбе двумя ракетами с вероятностью 0,97. Так как местность в сторону Турции несколько холмисто-гористая, то будут некоторые зоны "тени", в которых авиация противника видна не будет. Поэтому одним "Фортом" на "Москве" обойтись вряд ли получится, нужен ещё, как минимум один (лучше - 2) подобных комплекса. Или несколько Буков, лучше Бук-М2, но поближе к границе с Турцией. Кроме того, просто необходимо установить контакты с курдами - и не только в Сирии - и передать им определённые системы ПВО, оснащённые функцией недопустимости стрельбы по нашей авиации.
            2. Bronis
              Bronis 25 November 2015 09: 35 New
              +2
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Some types of missiles in height up to 25000km, in range to 200km.

              Ну тут, увы, не Форт-М,а просто Форт. и главное тут не ТТХ ракет, а система управления. так что реальная дальность ниже. около 70-90 км. Чего, в принципе достаточно. если полный боекомплект, то 64 ракеты. Плюс "Оса-МА" самообороны. А еще 16 ПКР с весьма значительной дальностью и БЧ под тонну...
    2. Altona
      Altona 25 November 2015 07: 37 New
      +5
      Quote: SarS
      The grossest miscalculations of the operation commanders!

      -----------------------
      Frivolity and presumption. You should always remember that the earth is teeming with apricots like an anthill and they are armed well if expensive ATGMs on passenger cars are fired like balls from pneumatics ...
    3. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 25 November 2015 07: 39 New
      +6
      Quote: SarS
      The grossest miscalculations of the operation commanders! Why didn’t the Su-24 hide behind the Su-30? Why is there no readiness of special forces at any time to begin an operation to rescue and evacuate pilots ?. Why the special forces did not hide behind the air

      Backstab! This meant complete trust, now it will be girlfriend. The Turks did not understand that they could easily become consumables, for the Americans it is like a double-fingered asphalt.
    4. tomket
      tomket 25 November 2015 09: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: SarS
      Почему спецназ не прикрывался с воздуха? Как говорил товарищ Сталин - "головокруженье от успехов".

      Если пилота действительно спасли, и это действительно сделали сирийцы, то спрашивается, неужели группа прикрытия настолько "криворукая"?
    5. Fregate
      Fregate 25 November 2015 11: 00 New
      0
      Quote: SarS
      Why didn’t the Su-24 hide behind the Su-30?

      Because there are only 16 Su-12s for 4 bombers and 30 attack aircraft. Probably in this.
  • sledge
    sledge 25 November 2015 07: 17 New
    +3
    God forbid that this is the truth !!
  • KB-2
    KB-2 25 November 2015 07: 17 New
    +3
    If only the truth!
  • maikl50jrij
    maikl50jrij 25 November 2015 07: 20 New
    +3
    Well, glory to you, Lord! At least one!
  • vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 25 November 2015 07: 23 New
    +8
    Take the bodies of our military and powder to the whole area, where our pilots were shot by parachutes! And it's time to bring down all illegally into the territory of Syria to bring to edrena mother. Ours are there legally, and the rest fly without the permission of the legitimate government of Syria.
  • There are a lot of us
    There are a lot of us 25 November 2015 07: 26 New
    +1
    Thank God if this is so, but why is there still a terrorist group near the air base ...
  • Wolka
    Wolka 25 November 2015 07: 31 New
    0
    and it pleases, it couldn’t be otherwise, now the correlation according to the situation will be unequivocal ...
  • ImPerts
    ImPerts 25 November 2015 07: 32 New
    12
    Recep Tayyip Erdogan still made a byaku. Maybe he personally did not want to, but the general trend and his bellicose statements ...
    Putin will decide on the supply of anti-tank systems and MANPADS Kurds?
    After all, the Turkish president could not have known that this was one of the possible answers of the Russian president to this.
    I don’t know if there was a violation of the Turkish border or a trick not to look idiotic, but 10 warnings in 5 minutes are all from the realm of fantasy.
    One thing can be said, the surrender of Ocalan in the 90's to the Turks was not the right decision. The Kurds are determined and the chance to see the formation of Kurdistan is not small.
    And the second thing that can be seen from what is happening, the chances of Greater Turkey, one can say neoports, are melting. A large and strong power in this region is disadvantageous for Americans. The integrity of Syria and its luminosity are important to us. Well, the new Ottoman Empire is not interesting. Iran dislikes a radical Sunni bloc.
    The Islamicization of Turkey will come back to everyone, it will come back.
    No matter how Erdogan was appointed guilty.
    Hussein also began with the tacit consent of the world hegemon, but was then crushed by him. hi
    Now the United States is silently pushing Turkey into conflict with Russia and Iran.
    PS Another quarrel is beneficial for the USA, this will complicate an already difficult situation.
    1. just exp
      just exp 25 November 2015 07: 55 New
      +4
      Yes, then they themselves admitted that the Su-24 was on their territory for 17 seconds.
      Well, how should I talk like that 10 times in 17 seconds to warn?
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 25 November 2015 07: 36 New
    +2
    Probably all of Russia was waiting for the search results for the second pilot! And everything seems to be in order with him! We are waiting for official confirmation!
  • BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 25 November 2015 07: 40 New
    +8
    I apologize for the replay, there are simply too many who want to start World 3 right now
    all this provocation is intended only for one thing, to provoke a conflict with Turkey, in order for Erdog to close the straits for our express trains, thereby disrupting the entire operation in Syria. They understand that there will not be such a second chance (Obama and Erdogan: Incidents are similar to the catastrophe of Su- 24 should not be repeated, http: //vz.ru/news/2015/11/25/780062.html)
    Now the ball is on our side, and I really hope that our leadership will play them better than the Russian national football team
    the most important thing has already been done (First: All actions of attack aircraft will be carried out only under the guise of fighter aircraft.

    Second: Measures will be taken to strengthen air defense. To this end, the cruiser "Moscow", equipped with an air defense system "Fort", similar to the S-300, will occupy the area in the coastal part of Latakia. We warn that all goals that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed.

    Third: Contacts with Turkey through the military line will be terminated. ”Http://trueinform.ru/modules.php?name=News&sid=43585)
    now you need to act carefully
    launch a media attack on Erdogad (Putin also stated that the incident with the Russian Su-24 in Syria goes beyond the usual fight against terrorism, and called it a “stab in the back,” which was carried out by terrorist accomplices. http: //vz.ru/news /2015/11/24/779959.html)erdogad cheated on many serious people in Turkey, I think there will be no big problems getting dirt on him and his son-geek
    1. andj61
      andj61 25 November 2015 08: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: Lalaika
      This provocation is intended only for one thing, to provoke a conflict with Turkey, in order for Dagestan to close the straits for our express trains, thereby disrupting the entire operation in Syria. They understand that there will not be such a second chance (

      Maybe, maybe ... Only the closure of the straits without declaring war on Russia is another reason for war, since this is a gross violation of the Montreux Convention. In this case, Russia can justifiably completely block the Bosphorus.
  • Erg
    Erg 25 November 2015 07: 40 New
    +4
    It is surprising that only now the question arose about the involvement of TURKEY in the entire terrorist cesspool. On the highest level. In every smoking room, this has been discussed for a long time ... Diplomacy, however ... what
    1. avkeys
      avkeys 25 November 2015 07: 59 New
      +3
      Do you think that we have so many trump cards that just like that you can take all of them and put them on the table? Everything has its own time.
      1. Erg
        Erg 25 November 2015 08: 11 New
        +1
        So I say. I looked at Vladimirovich ... It was felt that he was not joking that it was no longer up to diplomacy. Specifically, everything is indicated.
  • leo3972
    leo3972 25 November 2015 07: 43 New
    +8
    We are waiting for the first Turkish downed. I hope not for long.
    1. Erg
      Erg 25 November 2015 07: 58 New
      +2
      В"бою" двух истребителей против штурмовика, считавшего их союзниками,турки выглядели "героями". Теперь посмотрим... soldier
  • Evgeny59
    Evgeny59 25 November 2015 07: 44 New
    +4
    From the network:
    Sources familiar with the situation report that the Turkish authorities ordered the landing of all of their fighters. “All Turkish military aircraft are located in airfields,” the media said.

    Experts attribute this situation to yesterday’s statement by the Russian Ministry of Defense, which stated that any targets that could pose a potential danger to the Russian Space Forces located in Syria would be shot down from the Moscow cruiser.
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 25 November 2015 07: 46 New
    +8
    The provocation was clearly planned and coordinated between the Turks and the Basmachi. There still need to be figured out who is the accomplice to whom.
  • psf
    psf 25 November 2015 07: 48 New
    +1
    God forbid that this be true ... I would like everyone there to be gouged to hell, turning everything into scorched earth, although the bearded, having sensed ... singing, probably from the area will be washed away for a while
  • buywol
    buywol 25 November 2015 07: 53 New
    +4
    Вся эта провокация со сбитым СУ-24 , это попытка НАТО посмотреть реакцию России . Как Россия отреагирует так к ней и будут относится . Если "утрется" тогда не будет ей уважения со стороны даже африканцев.
  • Old26
    Old26 25 November 2015 07: 59 New
    +7
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    That is, the statement of the Moscow Region that we will destroy all the targets that threaten our planes are snot?

    Александр! Так для многих тут пишущих адекватным ответом было бы немедленное объявление войны всем, кто так или иначе повинен в терроризме. Сразу же атаковать, и обязательно "Калибрами" (новая российская вундерваффе, которую суют в любую дырку затычкой)по военным базам, без разницы где:в Турции, Катаре ли, Саудовской Аравии. Некоторые уже предлагают ударить тактическими ядерными зарядами.

    People have an itch. I want to show how cool they are, and they don’t think about the consequences for the country.
    Turn an incident (a tragic, but nonetheless incident) into a large-scale war that can gradually develop into a thermonuclear one, and if it does not outgrow by a lucky chance, it will cause collapse and God forbid the collapse of Russia.

    But they don’t think about it. Here is the answer with missiles and fusion - this is not chewing snot. Everything else is just chewing. Although there are hundreds of ways to punish ... And how lucky is Russia that such people are not in power

    Quote: KraDI
    Only two Mi 8s participated in the search, also a question.

    Because a couple of helicopters are always involved in such operations ...

    Quote: vjatsergey
    And it's time to bring down all illegally into the territory of Syria to bring to edrena mother. Ours are there legally, and the rest fly without the permission of the legitimate government of Syria.

    Decent answer. Have you thought about the second side of the coin? What is the same, but on completely legal grounds, Turkey will also shoot down our aircraft ???
    Вчера по Россия 24 выступал летчик-снайпер, генерал-майор, который объяснял, что случайное или преднамеренное вторжение на территорию сопредельного государства при выполнении полетного задания вблизи границ явление достаточно распространенное. И обычной практикой является не уничтожение летательного аппарата сразу же и без предупреждения, а "выдворение" его за пределы. То есть к самолету-нарушителю подлетает самолет страны, границы которой нарушены и по связи или визуально показывает, что то нарушил. И вот если самолет-нарушитель не подчиняется командам, тогда его пытаются посадить, а в случае невозможности посадки сбивают. А не так, как предлагаете: залетел - сбили.

    Quote: ImPerts
    Putin will decide on the supply of anti-tank systems and MANPADS Kurds?

    ХЗ, но вряд ли "ответка" будет иметь такой вариант. Скорее всего ответят экономически. Вся инфраструктура туризма в основном заточена на наших. Там порой количество наших в отелях в сезон достигает процентов 70-80. Перекрыть этот вентиль - Турция сразу потеряет несколько миллиардов долларов. Плюс вопросы с газом, этим можно тоже их прижать... Да мало ли чем. Не обязательно поставками ПТРК и ПЗРК...

    Quote: ImPerts
    I don’t know if there was a violation of the Turkish border or a trick not to look idiotic, but 10 warnings in 5 minutes are all from the realm of fantasy.

    The idiotic excuse sounds ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 25 November 2015 08: 05 New
      +4
      Quote: Old26
      Alexander! So for many here writing an adequate answer would be an immediate declaration of war to all those who are somehow guilty of terrorism

      Sorry, but you’ll tear your pants. announce to everyone
      Quote: Old26
      . Сразу же атаковать, и обязательно "Калибрами

      And more REEEEB
      Quote: Old26
      Because a couple of helicopters are always involved in such operations ...

      With cover, I’m participating.
      send 2 mi-8 without cover crocodiles - was the height of madness
      Quote: Old26
      Decent answer. Have you thought about the second side of the coin? What is the same, but on completely legal grounds, Turkey will also shoot down our aircraft ???

      Turkey will give * militias * air defense systems (such as wasps) - and what will you do? It is clear that these are not militias. but you can’t prove it.
      Turkey wants to make a no-fly zone in the north and has enough forces for this
      Quote: Old26
      The idiotic excuse sounds ...


      the plane was waiting and flunked on purpose. This is clear.
      1. Forest
        Forest 25 November 2015 10: 16 New
        0
        Crocodiles flickered on the video, but they were on the side during the ATGM attack. Most likely, some distracted the fire of the turntables on themselves.
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    3. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 25 November 2015 08: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      People have an itch. I want to show how cool they are, and they don’t think about the consequences for the country.


      Vladimir! hi I join your comment. I’ll only add on my own behalf, for those who offer emotions to wave a saber: until our last tourist (specialist, diplomat, members of their families) has been taken outside Turkey, no harsh military operations. We sit on the train evenly and imitate the chewing of snot in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the UN. And at the same time, we are actively withdrawing capital from Turkey. But when the hands are untied ...
  • BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 25 November 2015 08: 01 New
    +3
    Chelyabinsk military pilot Sergei Rumyantsev was mistakenly named dead during the crash of a Su-24 bomber shot down by a Turkish fighter in Syria.
    buried in advance, will live long !!!!
  • Oznob
    Oznob 25 November 2015 08: 02 New
    14
    Бывало предлагали мне жена с тёщей в турцию съездить отдохнуть. Отвечал им завсегда, я к этим басурманам только на БТР'е поеду. Вот жеж. Прав был.
  • Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 25 November 2015 08: 06 New
    +2
    In order to adequately respond to all kinds of threats to Russia, it is necessary to have a significantly larger fleet of aircraft than there is. About 48 devices Su-zo family. And delivered to different countries 397. Only to India and China respectively 200 and 73. Our defense industry, and the government is not far behind, is more concerned with commerce than with the country's security. Similarly for other weapons. Is this not a crime against your country ???
    1. Forest
      Forest 25 November 2015 10: 17 New
      +1
      And with what money to buy? Sell ​​your pants? Better to give these billions to the Shatam?
  • BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 25 November 2015 08: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: ImPerts
    Putin will decide on the supply of anti-tank systems and MANPADS Kurds?

    ХЗ, но вряд ли "ответка" будет иметь такой вариант. Скорее всего ответят экономически. Вся инфраструктура туризма в основном заточена на наших. Там порой количество наших в отелях в сезон достигает процентов 70-80. Перекрыть этот вентиль - Турция сразу потеряет несколько миллиардов долларов. Плюс вопросы с газом, этим можно тоже их прижать... Да мало ли чем. Не обязательно поставками ПТРК и ПЗРК...


    на пару месяцев устроить внеплановые проверки в турецких компаниях работающих в России,мотивируя тем что их президент сотрудничает с террористами,это даст результат больше чем удар "калибрами"
  • linen
    linen 25 November 2015 08: 12 New
    0
    Which one sent these MI-8s without cover with the latest combat helicopters!?
    1. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 25 November 2015 08: 47 New
      +1
      А где Вы в Сирии увидели новейшие вертолеты-там только "крокодилы" -Ми-24?
  • pskov74268
    pskov74268 25 November 2015 08: 13 New
    +3
    Moral always hit in the back. MISSING GLORY AND OUR MEMORY !!!, AND LIVING revenge for the FALLED !, so that in the Turkish family of criminals are in eternal mourning and in bloody tears. No matter how hard it can be in our country, but I believe that WE WILL GRAVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • NeRTT
    NeRTT 25 November 2015 08: 16 New
    +4
    Слава богу уцелел!!!А турки с издревле нам врагами приходились и будут приходиться!!Так что дубиной их на ..т-цать..вдоль "вонючего" колошматить нужно!!!Исподтишка...Герои млин...Пособники Госдепа..и Террора!!!Вся одна там шайка-лейка!! am
  • BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 25 November 2015 08: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: andj61
    Quote: Lalaika
    This provocation is intended only for one thing, to provoke a conflict with Turkey, in order for Dagestan to close the straits for our express trains, thereby disrupting the entire operation in Syria. They understand that there will not be such a second chance (

    Maybe, maybe ... Only the closure of the straits without declaring war on Russia is another reason for war, since this is a gross violation of the Montreux Convention. In this case, Russia can justifiably completely block the Bosphorus.

    all this bunker was counting on an immediate reaction, and this is already war and Russia is extreme. only by one o'clock in the morning did the information go that Russia was right and the plane was shot down in Syria. So Putin presented Erdogad with no provocations against our planes, and the straits won't close
  • wild
    wild 25 November 2015 08: 23 New
    +5
    The plane was shot down under the camera, definitely an agreement. The question is why did Mi8 fly into the rescue zone teeming with barmel men without cover? The result is another victim, are there many 2 cars and 2 people?
  • tol
    tol 25 November 2015 08: 27 New
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Doctor Lecturer
    .And our snot chewed and defense mines voiced UNLAWFUL actions. Shame and shame.

    That is, the statement of the Moscow Region that we will destroy all the targets that threaten our planes are snot?

    This is a snot! because it’s a warning, not a response (sanctions, breaking up, etc.)
    1. Dr. Lecturer
      Dr. Lecturer 25 November 2015 09: 35 New
      -2
      Yes, and I about the same, well, call the ambassador for consultations, declare the evacuation of tourist citizens.
  • kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 25 November 2015 08: 34 New
    +1
    URA URA GOD for us if only it were true!
  • solovey
    solovey 25 November 2015 08: 38 New
    +2
    I think it is now necessary to graze Turkish planes with S-400 complexes and bring down all indiscriminately at the same time blocking the supply of oil to Turkey by bombing !!!
    And the last Putin will not forgive Erdagan for sure - we will wait for a surprise !!!
  • Conscience
    Conscience 25 November 2015 08: 46 New
    0
    we will believe and wait
  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 25 November 2015 08: 46 New
    +1
    Guys! will Russian special services be able to eliminate perdogan? Well there, a poisonous shot, an accident or better 9mm in the forehead!
  • Captain nemo
    Captain nemo 25 November 2015 08: 48 New
    -10
    I think that the main culprit of the downed SU-24 is none other than Putin himself.
    1) Его пригласил Ассад в Сирию, защитить "территориальную целостность" Сирии в небе.
    2) Но для В В Путина "территориальная целостность" Турции, оказалась предпочтительней "территориальной целостности" Сирии, ползая на коленках перед Обамой и Эрдаганом, что бы они соизволили согласовывать с ним полёты своих самолётов. Тогда как Турция с самого начала послала его на три буквы, с полным запретом на пролёт Российских самолётов над территорией Турции.
    3) Зато В В Путин очень хорошо утёрся ""территориальной целостностью" Турции, исходя из "национальных интересов" Турции опасающейся возникновением Сирийского Курдистана, который в перспективе может превратится и в полноценный Курдистан. И по сему он Путин спокойно смотрел на бомбёжки Турками Сирийских Курдов.
    4) У нашего В В Путина, до вчерашнего дня не бы такого понятия как Воздушное пространство Сирии. Он только сотрясал воздух о том что он один имеет "законное право" на полёты над Сирией. И легко соглашался с диктатом ему Турцией и Америкой на то, что и они могут там летать сколько им вздумается не извещая Россию или Ассада о своих полётах.
    5) Turkey, and ofigela in general, with its compromiser Putin. It rattles about the 15 km no-fly zone, but this is for Russia and Assad, but not for her when she bombes the Kurds and never ISIS.
    6) Тут может быть только одно. У Сирийского неба, пока ещё нсть государство Сирия, должен быть один хозяин, а не "антитеррористическая каолиция", всё время посылающая нашего чудо-президента Путина куда подальше.
    7) Turkey will not close the strait if it considers the airspace of Syria to be no less than its own, as well as its Turkish into which it does not let anyone in. Well, if it closes (what does it justify its closure for us with, is it a Montro agreement or something?), Then Murmansk and the Baltic exist, the course will last longer, but not fatally. If you can also ask kerosene from Iran.
    1. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 25 November 2015 10: 11 New
      0
      Some people don’t like the bitter truth. But, after all, everything is so. The sky had to be closed, at least for Turkey a month ago. Well, they didn’t know unless Turkey fed DAISH, they nurtured, fed, armed, healed, trained ...
      Everyone in everything began to look for economic profitability. And how narrow-minded it must be to assume that our people are so stupid, they don’t know about it, if our talking heads do not talk about everything openly on TV.
      Political tolerance will not bring to good. Everything has a limit.
      And now, when everything was in full view, they came to their senses. What is the visa regime for? We have NO borders with DAISH in Russia in the Caucasus and Middle Asia!
      1. Victor-M
        Victor-M 25 November 2015 11: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Oprichnik
        I think that the main culprit of the downed SU-24 is none other than Putin himself.

        Or maybe Nemtsov, because it was his funerary team that ruined our country to please the West, and now they continue to do it, but you sing along with them, you are not one of them by chance?
        1. Captain nemo
          Captain nemo 25 November 2015 16: 51 New
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          Quote: Victor-M
          Or maybe Nemtsov, because it was his funerary team that ruined our country to please the West, and now they continue to do it, but you sing along with them, you are not one of them by chance?

          No, I’m not one of them, and I do not consider Nemtsov to blame for the downing of the SU-24. After all, he didn’t send the VKS there, and he was already dead until October 2015.
  • provincial
    provincial 25 November 2015 08: 56 New
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    If the Russian Federation acts in Syria at the request of their leadership, and others at their own request, then Syria must declare that all planes intruding into their airspace will go astray and send a couple of pieces to the ground. All that remains is to look at their reaction and comments.
  • cap
    cap 25 November 2015 09: 11 New
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    "Сирийские туркменские бригады" взяли ответственность за убийство двух российских пилотов
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    08:24 25.11.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX Source: NEWSru.co.il
    An upfront sentence was signed. soldier
  • vitaliy.rnd
    vitaliy.rnd 25 November 2015 09: 14 New
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    Опытным путём установлено, что слово "yasak" турки могут прокричать 50 раз в минуту.
  • Thompson
    Thompson 25 November 2015 09: 25 New
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    Quote: Erg
    So I say. I looked at Vladimirovich ... It was felt that he was not joking that it was no longer up to diplomacy. Specifically, everything is indicated.

    I looked at the speech of Erdogan - like a naughty youngster, eyes scared. with buttons ...
    But .. not a kid, you have to punish! Very hard!
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 25 November 2015 09: 33 New
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    Если сирийские спецназовцы спасли нашего пилота , то честь им и хвала !А вот" головокружение от успехов"операций наших ВКС нельзя допускать , ведь мы не у себя дома , и не все в Сирии так хорошо как показывают СМИ.Опускаю тактические приемы проведения бомбардировок -об этом специалисты знают лучше , считаю , что разборки произошедшего пройдут там где надо ,но если это очередной "ляп" ,надежда ( перед вылетом ) на "авось" , то это уже хуже.Неужели грузино-осетинский конфликт ничему не научил? Или поисково-спасательных операций (учений ) давно не проводили ,"руки не доходили"? Сейчас нужно сделать из произошедшего правильные выводы и естественно "поставить Турцию на место" ! Способов превеликое множество ,думаю и Сергей Кожугетович и Владимир Владимирович вместе Лавровым найдут наиболее приемлемые и достойные , покажут и расскажут "ХУ ИЗ ХУ ".
  • Ivan Tartugai
    Ivan Tartugai 25 November 2015 09: 47 New
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    The generals are to blame for the death of the aircraft, the loss of the helicopter, and most importantly, the death of the pilot and fighter of the Marine Corps.
    Why did the SU-24 go on such a responsible and with a high degree of danger mission, almost close to the Turkish border?
    Why was there no cover?
    Why didn’t the missile defense of the aircraft work?
    Where is the evacuation service for pilots from shot down or crashed aircraft?
    The generals acted on the hap; Generals themselves do not directly risk their lives.
    1. Forest
      Forest 25 November 2015 10: 29 New
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      Usually Su-34 with Su-30 cover participated in such sorties in the north of Latakia, and it would never have occurred to anyone that Turkey would attack our plane on foreign territory. A missile defense system reduces by a percentage the chance of a missile hit. The missiles are designed to attack the actively maneuvering 4 generation fighter with powerful electronic warfare systems, and the 3 generation bomber is an easy target for them. PSS can not suddenly appear out of nowhere and right in the air to intercept pilots.
      1. Ivan Tartugai
        Ivan Tartugai 25 November 2015 13: 13 New
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        Have the Turks, or rather the Turkish authorities, shown themselves to be reliable partners? Turkey openly openly waited for the whole war to be able to attack the Soviet Union and tear off part of its territory. In the post-war period, provocations were constantly organized on the border and in the straits. The border with Turkey was the most tense for the border troops. Criminals hijacked planes in Turkey. In Turkey, NATO bases were located and now Turkey is a reliable partner of the states, not the Russian Federation.
        Everyone has long seen that Turkey indirectly helps IS. Only generals do not see.
        What could the generals expect from Turkey, some kind of sympathy? Everyone knows that Turkey will deceive and will not blink an eye, only the generals did not know this, only they "would never have imagined that Turkey would attack our plane on foreign territory."
        What a head the generals thought. More likely did not think.
        1. Forest
          Forest 25 November 2015 17: 20 New
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          Prior to this, moreover, in the open, no one from NATO has ever allowed it. They quietly shot down, drowned, but openly using technology in the database zone - no.
          1. Ivan Tartugai
            Ivan Tartugai 25 November 2015 18: 26 New
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            Well, now they’ve shot down not in the open, but as if an intruder who allegedly violated the airspace of Turkey.
            Although Lavrov at today's press conference said that the Turkish Air Force was waiting for our SU-24, i.e. there was an ambush on the SU-24. Naturally, Turkey gives out everything as the usual work of its air forces in supposedly protecting its airspace. But an ambush is not a spontaneous action. Everyone knows and everyone understands that Turkey would not have decided on such an action and even using F-16 on its own, without coordination with the states. It meant coordination between the states and Turkey, then the Turkish Air Force received a command, its execution was underway, preparations were being made, actions were being taken, people and senior personnel, and executors were involved, time passed. And again, our generals missed all the preparations and the ambush for our Air Force. Where was the intelligence, where is the GRU of the General Staff?
            Ведь это не плановые учения со стрельбой и бомбометанием у себя дома, а реальные боевые действия в чужой стране. Соответственно и генералы должны относится к этому адекватно, т. е. готовиться и работать над каждым своим действием, ведь от их решений зависит жизнь исполнителей их приказов. Если они не готовы и решения не проработаны, то лучше отменить одну-две бомбёжки, чем посылать людей на "авось пронесёт" и может ничего не случится.
            1. Forest
              Forest 25 November 2015 21: 36 New
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              Shot down just in the open. Secretly - this is how Kursk was drowned.
              1. tol
                tol 26 November 2015 07: 41 New
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                And they would have knocked down secretly - as ours at the beginning claimed that they would (be hushed up) from the ground if the Turks themselves did not recognize
  • miru mir
    miru mir 25 November 2015 09: 56 New
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    What I said, hope dies last, at least one pilot was pulled out.