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A stab in the back - stab in the back!

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That incident took place between NATO and Russian combat aircraft. 24.11.2015 Turkish F-16 aircraft shot down our su-24.

From 30 October 2015. to the present, who only did not reason and did not discuss what would happen in such a case.

NATO Headquarters has emergency meetings against the backdrop of Britain’s adopted anti-Russian hysterical defense strategy and the latest Russophobic statements by NATO generals.

In a simple way, "among the people" we say something like this: "The NATO members, and most importantly, the staff members are frantic because of our fight against terror, and ISIS, in particular, fed by them."

Today I believe that life / reality / being is divided into “before” and “after”. So close to 3 world war with NATO, we have not been since the beginning of 80's (well, during the Caribbean crisis, of course). It seems that the Turks, making the second week in a row statements about the allegedly unacceptable bombing of the Russian Aerospace Force of the Turkish Turkmen living in northern Syria, in fact, were preparing a similar provocation, waiting for some aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Force to fly right alongside their border .

They waited. I do not believe and never will believe, if this was not previously agreed with the United States and the main NATO instances (puppeteers) - this is too serious a matter to tease the Russians in this way. This, if you will, if not blasphemous it sounds, is NATO’s “attempt at writing” in active military opposition to our operation in Syria with the goal of curtailing the operation of the Russian Aerospace Forces and the final victory of ISIL and terrorists, in general, in Syria, his allies read slaves.

As a result, without reducing this text to paranoia like “everything is lost”, “we are finished”, “they will bomb us“ in the Stone Age ”,“ it’s time to bring down ... ”and so on, you should understand: 1. Will the Russian Federation eat quietly and curtail the operation to the joy of "Western friends", 2. Swallow the act of aggression and continue the operation until the next and next time, sit down at the negotiating table with Turkakmi and their masters because of the Puddle, assuring them that more is so we won’t ... or 3. We will urgently deliver S-300 to Syria, transfer troops with unilateral entry into Syria to the western border and the border with Turkey flight zone, except aviation RF warning of the outbreak of war, in the event of a repeat of the incident.

I repeat. This incident is not an ordinary event, not the actions of terrorists or the work of a third party. This is a direct aggression against the Russian Federation by one of the NATO countries in violation of all imaginable and inconceivable international norms. Our plane was shot down and it’s just like that, without an answer and taking any measures of a military nature, cannot be left.
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  1. rassel0889
    rassel0889 25 November 2015 05: 41
    34
    The third point I really like soldier
    1. Finches
      Finches 25 November 2015 05: 48
      34
      The common truth of military science is that bombers should always cover fighters! I taught it another 41th year! To wait for gentlemen’s actions from NATO countries is some kind of naivete from the General Staff and wait for the decency of the centuries-old enemies of Russia - Islamist Turkey even more so ... Now it’s very I hope to read about the downed F-16!
      1. i80186
        i80186 25 November 2015 06: 01
        -3
        Quote: Finches
        Now I really hope to read about the downed F-16s!

        There it is possible to read about the arrival of a pair of P-1000s with 350kt aboard to Ankara in principle.
        1. krot
          krot 25 November 2015 08: 21
          0
          Article to the point! Briefly and clearly! We are waiting for development! Masks reset!
        2. Kostyar
          Kostyar 25 November 2015 12: 34
          0
          Only revenge is a dish served cold.

          Revenge is not appropriate here! The liquidation of Our plane is a slap in the face for the whole of Russia .... and the whole world is holding its breath, waiting for Our reaction, and moreover, we must act instantly, boldly and very harshly! Depending on our reaction, the future attitude towards Russia will be built, Western "partners" from NATA, either will respect and fear, or despise ...., there is no third way !!!!!!
      2. makst83
        makst83 25 November 2015 06: 12
        16
        here and flew up! soldier
      3. Cleric
        Cleric 25 November 2015 08: 24
        -6
        Well, there would be a fighter. How would he help the su-24?
    2. i80186
      i80186 25 November 2015 05: 48
      17
      Quote: rassel0889
      The third point I really like

      The head of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Sergey Rudsky, announced the introduction of additional security measures in connection with the Turkish attack on the Russian Su-24.
      In particular, now Russian bombers will carry out operations in Syria only under the cover of fighters. In addition, the cruiser "Moskva" will be involved, which has an effective air defense system "Fort", similar to the S-300. This warship is moving to the coastal region of Latakia.
      The General Staff warns that the Russian military will destroy all targets that pose even potential danger.
      (C)
      Can you imagine where are the targets that pose a "potential danger" for the cruiser Moscow in Turkey?
      1. adept666
        adept666 25 November 2015 06: 17
        +3
        "Moskva", which has an effective air defense system "Fort", similar to the S-300. This warship is moving to the coastal region of Latakia.
        The General Staff warns that the Russian military will destroy all targets that pose even potential danger
        Well, this is already something, but not enough, we must add that we will act in accordance with Article 51 of the UN Charter by all available means up to the use of nuclear weapons by the aggressor in the country.
        1. Kirill
          Kirill 25 November 2015 11: 52
          0
          Decision made to transfer S-300
      2. diver1977
        diver1977 25 November 2015 07: 11
        11
        The range of the fort is maximum 200 km. There it is necessary to deploy a full-fledged missile defense system, electronic warfare systems - and completely close the sky for flights not only in the border strip, but so that the Turks cannot even fly on their territory. 50 kilometers deep with the wording "to avoid unwanted situations."
        1. Altona
          Altona 25 November 2015 07: 23
          +3
          Quote: diver1977
          so that the Turks could not even fly on their territory. 50 kilometers deep with the wording "in order to avoid unwanted situations"

          -----------------------
          Negro slaves and ISIS accomplices should not fly at all ...
        2. adept666
          adept666 25 November 2015 07: 26
          -1
          The range of the fort is a maximum of 200 km.

          Real effective range 90-100 km ...
      3. smershxnumx
        smershxnumx 25 November 2015 08: 02
        +3
        In particular, now Russian bombers will carry out operations in Syria only under the guise of fighters

        But did someone forbid to do this before ??? I think not ... "Debriefing" should be very serious !!!
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    3. Mahmut
      Mahmut 25 November 2015 05: 50
      24
      Our plane was shot down and it’s just that, without an answer and taking any military measures, it is impossible to leave.

      And nobody will just leave it like that. Only revenge is a dish served cold. Of course, it is not so tasty, but it benefits more.
      1. Kradi
        Kradi 25 November 2015 07: 20
        +2
        Yes, you old man gourmet hi It’s just tastier, with relish smile
      2. Karabin
        Karabin 25 November 2015 09: 32
        -3
        Quote: Mahmut
        Only revenge is a dish served cold.

        Tricky Plan Again?
    4. 79807420129
      79807420129 25 November 2015 05: 53
      25
      Quote: rassel0889
      The third point I really like soldier

      And only the third point, plus economic measures, no tourists, no rotten Turkish tomatoes, 21 lard bucks we give them annually, let them suck horseradish.
      1. corporal
        corporal 25 November 2015 06: 38
        +4
        Quote: 79807420129
        Only revenge is a dish served cold. Of course, it is not so tasty, but it benefits more.

        Quote: 79807420129
        economic measures

        I don’t know about the economy (by and large, billions are spinning there, and they won’t quarrel because of the plane with the crew of moneybags, IMHO), but in response .......... not only does the Turks fly, but and floats (walks) -the sea devils haven’t been disbanded yet ...... now their aviation will be careful as a student after an abortion ......... so ours is a reason for choosing options. Something like this. hi
        1. 16112014nk
          16112014nk 25 November 2015 14: 58
          0
          Quote: Corporal
          .u Turks not only something flies, but also swims (walks) -

          Including Turkish ferries on the Kerch-Caucasus crossing. And what will happen if the Turks return them to Turkey? "Crimea Island"? There are so many questions that seven spans in the forehead are not enough.
      2. mojohed2012
        25 November 2015 07: 02
        +1
        I agree, but a coma of Russians from the Russian Federation is going to Turkey to rest, in addition to citizens of some European countries, citizens of neighboring countries of the Middle East and Chinese. Well, they will not have Russian, but the tourist flow from this on 0 will not multiply.
        1. just exp
          just exp 25 November 2015 08: 00
          +1
          but the figure has already been announced, the losses will be in 3 lard.
      3. Alexey Lesogor
        Alexey Lesogor 25 November 2015 08: 26
        +1
        21lard bucks give them annually, let them suck horseradish.


        Where the figure comes from, my friend.

        "In the first half of the year, 1,4 million Russians went on vacation to Turkey. This is 500 thousand less than in the same period last year. The city of Antalya is experiencing the greatest problems from the absence of a contingent from Russia. As a result, Turkey's income from the tourism business in this year decreased by 14% to $ 7,74 billion. " http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/64741
    5. Yorgven
      Yorgven 25 November 2015 07: 06
      +1
      In rusvesna, su video from ANNA News, our correspondents were on the other side of the mountains controlled by the Syrian army, and confirm in the video that two of our bombers were attacked by F-16 from Syrian airspace, one dodged the second was shot down, and the Syrian military assisted the evacuation team shot down MI-8 helicopter supporting them with fire from anti-aircraft guns and machine guns. The marine died from a neck wound.
    6. GRAMARI111
      GRAMARI111 25 November 2015 08: 02
      +3


      Turks - cowardly and vile jackals ...
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 25 November 2015 09: 36
        -1
        Quote: GRAMARI111
        Turks - cowardly and vile jackals ..

        However, our drying was filled up. And they do not care about the "world community". And we are so brave and noble for a day already mumble and snot chew.
  2. Han Solo
    Han Solo 25 November 2015 05: 42
    20
    Correctly! Nefig sit and blah blah blah and other concerns!
    In such cases, Israel is bombing the place from where it arrived, and here, to bomb the base airfield (for starters) of that F16. IMHO
    1. Kradi
      Kradi 25 November 2015 07: 22
      +1
      It is tempting, but ... alas, this is almost 100% of the beginning of the third world
      1. Mig-31
        Mig-31 25 November 2015 08: 03
        +1
        World War III will begin anyway
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC 25 November 2015 09: 17
        0
        And where is the line beyond which the Third World War will begin! Let them fly down our planes?
      3. Karabin
        Karabin 25 November 2015 09: 39
        -2
        Quote: KraDI
        Tempting, but ... alas,

        That is, to begin the operation of the aerospace forces in Syria, stepping on the interests of a bunch of countries, including NATO, not alas, but alas?
  3. 89609226409
    89609226409 25 November 2015 05: 42
    13
    Here is Turkey and tore off its mask. Now everyone understands who is who.
    1. Tarpon
      Tarpon 25 November 2015 05: 51
      +2
      Quote: 89609226409
      Here is Turkey and tore off its mask. Now everyone understands who is who.

      In principle, everything was clear, but now Russia has free hands.
    2. miv110
      miv110 25 November 2015 06: 06
      +2
      Quote: "Erdogan does not act in the interests of Turkey, but only in his own selfish interests, which is confirmed by numerous corruption scandals. The EU's support for his affairs is provided by his support from overseas. Erdogan's children study for free in the US and their own further fate with Turkey is not connected. His eldest son was involved in a scandal with the smuggling of Syrian oil, that is, he worked together with Vanguard. Very hot, but this is just suspicion ...
      Suddenly, the suspicions were confirmed by the direct participation of the Turkish president in the provocation, as they say, beyond any reasonable doubt.
      As a reward for the downed Russian plane, Erdogan received today a money transfer of $ 25 million to his bank in Switzerland.
      The money to Erdogan's account came from Bank of America. "

      JUSTICE website. NO: http://pravosudija.net/article/srochnaya-novost-skolko-stoit-sbit-samolet
    3. Serg koma
      Serg koma 25 November 2015 06: 18
      +1
      From bourgeois sources
      The US believes that Turkey shot down the Russian Su-24 bomber not in its airspace, but in the sky of Syria, told Reuters on Wednesday night a spokesman for the US administration. This contradicts NATO’s position., whose leadership supported the allegations of the Turkish military that a plane had been shot down that violated the country's airspace.
  4. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 25 November 2015 05: 43
    +4
    Now ours will be on guard at the border. Turks also fly to bomb Syrian Kurds. Now they will not.
  5. Sasha75
    Sasha75 25 November 2015 05: 43
    21
    Our pilots died, eternal memory I no longer have words.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 25 November 2015 05: 50
      +6
      Hero pilots of Russia ... Posthumously ... We are proud of them. Well, the families of the victims are our sincere condolences. They died for good reason ... I hope we prove it negative
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 25 November 2015 09: 19
        0
        They said on the radio that they saved one pilot !? True, one Marine died at the same time.
        Radio lead fm
    2. perm23
      perm23 25 November 2015 06: 08
      +2
      Memory to pilots and marines. And to these cattle the tears of mothers will pour out.
      1. dmikras
        dmikras 25 November 2015 06: 19
        +2
        Wait for everyone to bury the co-pilot alive and already at our base
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 25 November 2015 06: 25
          +1
          Wait for everyone to bury the co-pilot alive and already at our base


          Where does infa come from ... who is the source?
          1. AndreyS
            AndreyS 25 November 2015 06: 52
            +4
            The pilot is alive! http://rusvesna.su/news/1448413341
            "...The co-pilot of a downed Russian Su-24 aircraft was rescued by the Syrian army after a special rescue operation behind the front line...."
            Video about saving a pilot
    3. mojohed2012
      25 November 2015 07: 03
      +3
      One is said to have been saved by Syrian special forces.
  6. Tarpon
    Tarpon 25 November 2015 05: 44
    +4
    Our plane was shot down and it’s just that, without an answer and taking any military measures, it is impossible to leave.

    I am sure that nothing will be forgotten, no one will be forgotten, Russia has opportunities for a worthy answer.
  7. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 25 November 2015 05: 44
    +9
    Peaceful and fluffy Turkmens were shot on the slings of pilots in the air, moderate such Turkmens.
    So sloppy Turks have not yet been substituted.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 25 November 2015 05: 54
      +2
      Quote: Strezhevchanin
      So sloppy Turks have not yet been substituted.

      The Turks were framed ... They are pawns. The pawns are the first and die ...
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 25 November 2015 06: 05
        +4
        Quote: Semyon Semyonich
        The Turks were framed ..

        Those who want it themselves are substituted. The Turks wanted to. Balts! and then they condemned this step of Turkey.
    2. perm23
      perm23 25 November 2015 06: 09
      +4
      And to bombard these peace-loving ones in camouflage so that they fight for themselves, only when they hear the words - - the Russians are coming.
    3. The comment was deleted.
      1. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 25 November 2015 07: 05
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        . Although the Syrian Turkmen are related to the Turkmen Turkmen, they are very distant

        Our Turkmens, the second are with us and do not run shouting alla I to the bar! If they begin, then they will have even less chance.
      2. Mig-31
        Mig-31 25 November 2015 08: 11
        +4
        where do the Tajiks, Uzbeks and Turkmens who are and live in Russia? What does Uzbek Tajiks and our local Turkmens have to do with Turkey and the Turkoman in Syria?
  8. My address
    My address 25 November 2015 05: 45
    +3
    Not only friends, but also partners for us is only our Armed Forces. The rest is only good neighbors at best. We will be less seduced, we will be less in the cold.

    And it's not bad to put things in order within the country with the fifth column and the economy. It seems that either everything is for one, or we are bent. This is precisely the meaning in the expression "Big battalions are always right (God is on the side of big battalions)". But first, find a common ideology for the president, the worker, the head of the corporation, the artist, the farmer, the soldier, the nurse in the kindergarten.
  9. Sars
    Sars 25 November 2015 05: 45
    +1
    Turkey is for ISIS. NATO, Saudis, Qatari-for Turkey. Iran is for Russia. Israel and Egypt are being determined.
    When will the great eastern war begin?
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 25 November 2015 05: 52
      +2
      Quote: SarS
      When will the great eastern war begin?

      You slept? The war has been blazing for a long time with the attack of Americans and Europeans on Iraq and Libya.
      1. Sars
        Sars 25 November 2015 06: 37
        +1
        NO, dear, did not sleep. Pay attention - a "big war", not a negotiated defeat of the Iraqis.
    2. nemec55
      nemec55 25 November 2015 05: 53
      +1
      Turkey - for ISIS

      No, of course, not for ISIS, but the very fact that you don’t have ISIS. If a child is born in a family, he receives the surname of his parents. Here, the identity is just the opposite. You can say that these countries are all that you called to say that they are accomplices.
    3. V.ic
      V.ic 25 November 2015 06: 35
      0
      Quote: SarS
      Turkey is for ISIS. NATO, Saudis, Qatari-for Turkey. Iran is for Russia. Israel and Egypt are being determined.

      They said beautifully, just like in a fairy tale: "grandfather for a turnip, grandmother for a grandfather ...", etc.
  10. nemec55
    nemec55 25 November 2015 05: 46
    +5
    I hope that Vladimir Vladimirovich STAB GK and advisers will come up with such a pill that NATO will have enuresis for a long time. Turks scum
    1. mojohed2012
      25 November 2015 07: 09
      +1
      Hit the Turkish airbase with an unidentified caliber and blame it on the Kurds. Kurds, I think, will confirm and rejoice for "their capabilities."
  11. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 25 November 2015 05: 47
    14
    Put the Kurdish workers' party in arms. Everything you need to completely destabilize turland. Create maximum stress and break it down. Let lousy cattle answer for the death of our guys.
  12. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 25 November 2015 05: 48
    +2
    ... unacceptable bombing of the Russian Aerospace Forces by Turkish Turkmen living in northern Turkey

    This is an inaccuracy!
    The rest is true, the time has come to check: Who is who and who is worth what. It would not be difficult to make a decision in such a situation, but making an adequate decision is important. The Turks acted meanly and they need to be punished for it accordingly. How? Need to think.
    1. Michael_59
      Michael_59 25 November 2015 07: 40
      0
      Quote: Tatar 174
      How? Need to think.


      You know, here, after all, you had to think earlier. The scenario is likely and obvious, it is unlikely that it did not miscalculate. The trouble, most likely, is that there are no options.
  13. krokodil25
    krokodil25 25 November 2015 05: 49
    +4
    It is necessary to enter without a flight zone in Syria and bring down all who do not have the right to fly there.
    1. mojohed2012
      25 November 2015 07: 11
      +1
      To do this, in addition to the air defense systems on our cruiser, it is necessary to put several divisions s-300 or s-400 in Latakia.
  14. KOH
    KOH 25 November 2015 05: 50
    +4
    Turkey behaves like a foul mouther, breaking a glass from a neighbor, and at the risk of getting on the head, immediately ran to daddy ...
    1. KOH
      KOH 25 November 2015 06: 10
      +1
      I will add that we always supported the Kurds, I remember when the Turks of Ajalan were planted, I already realized with my teenage mind that the Turks were enemies ...
      1. mojohed2012
        25 November 2015 07: 13
        0
        Only the Russian no-fly zone in northern Syria will have the effect of + increasing the number of fighter-interceptors of the Russian Air Force in Syria + strengthening the security of the Khmeimim base + strengthening the Black Sea Fleet from ships from other fleets to increase traffic following the Turkish straits + supply of heavy weapons and anti-tank systems Kurds in eastern Syria and Iraq.
  15. Wolka
    Wolka 25 November 2015 05: 50
    10
    Yes, there was no preparation, the Yankees and NATO themselves were shocked by what the Turks had done, but Satanovsky correctly described everything that happened, "freaked out Erdogan" who is a typical criminal godfather (who imagines himself a sultan) and who was spoiled by his profitable business, this is the true natural gut of the Turks, instinct thirst for profit, they always behaved this way, history is a vivid confirmation of this, remember the Crimean wars, the formation and disintegration of the Ottoman Empire, nothing has changed, bloodthirsty natural instincts remained at the genetic level and did not disappear, for this they will answer in full ...
  16. zekaze1980
    zekaze1980 25 November 2015 05: 50
    +5
    There was something similar with Kursk submarine, but they hushed up because there were no witnesses left, the depths of the waters were hidden, and here the incident was even shot on camera, so it is necessary to respond to the strike not with a blow, but with concrete steps.
    1. mojohed2012
      25 November 2015 07: 14
      0
      At least a kick and arms supplies to the Kurds.
  17. SAM 5
    SAM 5 25 November 2015 05: 51
    0
    Our plane was shot down and it’s just that, without an answer and taking any military measures, it is impossible to leave.

    Of course not. But so far, nothing has been announced as an "unfriendly step". Let's wait for the reaction of our MO.
  18. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 25 November 2015 05: 52
    +7
    The main thing is not to get excited and pick up emotions, to quickly do everything possible (pick up pilots, punish bandits, take security measures), then prepare the answer to Turkey. It must be multilateral. It is necessary to resolve the issue with Russian tourists, otherwise there will be many hostages. Economic relations review and only then seek a military solution. It all takes time.
    1. KOH
      KOH 25 November 2015 06: 50
      +1
      Maybe while there are a lot of tourists in Turkey, this is not a "friendly step", we need to sweep them all (tourists) from there first, the Turks are still dirty ...
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    2. mojohed2012
      25 November 2015 07: 16
      +2
      Right. To flog a fever too much. Tourists to take out, strengthen border protection with Tarzia and the West.
  19. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 25 November 2015 05: 57
    +2
    It was a matter of time for the USA to come up with some kind of provocation. This was warned.
    How Russia and Putin will react is a big question.
    I hope, really hope that this does not come down on the brakes, on all sorts of notes of protest, statements and on the development of events.
  20. PValery53
    PValery53 25 November 2015 05: 59
    +1
    For such a trick - all over the Turkish face. Two of our pilots cost more than ten Erdogans. Erdogan is not a tenant.
  21. Onotollah
    Onotollah 25 November 2015 06: 00
    +1
    In any case, while Turkey is full of our tourists, they are unlikely to go to an immediate exacerbation.
    Most likely there will be an asymmetric answer: throw weapons and advisers to the Kurds, organize several terrorist attacks, economic pressure. Direct armed confrontation is unlikely.
    Through Turkey, the passage to the Mediterranean Sea (Bosphorus) may be closed - it will be problematic to go to Syria.
    In addition, there are joint promising gas projects - skillfully chose the moment, radishes.
    And with regard to immediate retaliation, the United States is just waiting for an occasion to unleash a major war in order to write off all debts.
  22. apro
    apro 25 November 2015 06: 00
    0
    I will express an seditious thought that this is a provocation of the Turks, there is no doubt, but there was a need for walking along the edge, was it necessary to observe the means of surveillance, why pilots were not warned of a hostile presence in the air, of approaching a Turkish combat aircraft in the air? is it fixed? was the missile defense maneuver carried out or was the launch point blank? is this situation advantageous for Moscow? rather all points are placed over i and the Turks are presented as one of the sponsors of daish and you can try to twist their hands, the Turks de facto become a party to the conflict side with daish and helping the Kurds in their fight against daish can also be touched against the Turks with the most unpleasant consequences for Turkey. Attempts at normal relations with Turkey were unsuccessful and the time has come to rethink. We cannot use any direct military component in the confrontation with the Turks, but there are and they need to be used, I remember the story with Ocalan this crime should not be fight and the Kurds in the fight against the Turks to support until the end.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 25 November 2015 06: 29
      +2
      Quote: apro
      why didn’t they warn the pilots about the hostile presence in the air, about the rapprochement in the air with the Turkish combat aircraft?

      The question is certainly interesting, but the plane itself has the appropriate equipment. Su-24 aircraft are equipped with the Karpaty airborne defense system, which includes an SPO-15 radar warning station, a LO-82 heat direction finder, an SPS-161 active jamming station, an APP-50 device for shooting dipoles and thermal traps, and a control unit.
      Why didn't all this work?
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 25 November 2015 07: 00
        +5
        Yes, it worked. It’s just not the first time that the Turks took our planes coming in for landing, for "escort" (read, at the sight), but did not shoot. So the guys didn't react. And when the rocket was launched, you already have no time to react, the rocket flies very quickly, for a few seconds. They only managed to eject. It is said, a dastardly stab in the back, from an "ambush" (there is such a term, "Air ambush", when attacking aircraft are waiting in a given area, disguising themselves either behind the mountains, or in the clouds - in the pre-radar era). And they simply stopped paying attention to Turkish planes, apparently, they were constantly spinning there. No more. Neither spin nor fly at all. I think so!
        1. pv1005
          pv1005 25 November 2015 07: 12
          0
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Yes, it worked. It’s just not the first time that the Turks took our planes coming in for landing, for "escort" (read, at the sight), but did not shoot. So the guys didn't react. And when the rocket was launched, you already have no time to react, the rocket flies very quickly, for a few seconds. They only managed to eject. It is said, a dastardly stab in the back, from an "ambush" (there is such a term, "Air ambush", when attacking aircraft are waiting in a given area, disguising themselves either behind the mountains, or in the clouds - in the pre-radar era). And they simply stopped paying attention to Turkish planes, apparently, they were constantly spinning there. No more. Neither spin nor fly at all. I think so!

          I agree to everything 100500, it’s like in a car, the radar detector squeals but if you don’t break anything, then you don’t react to it.
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 25 November 2015 08: 41
          0
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Yes, it worked. It’s just not the first time that the Turks took our planes coming in for landing, for "escort" (read, at the sight), but did not shoot. So the guys didn't react.

          "The guys didn't react" - then there are no words ... request
  23. jovanni
    jovanni 25 November 2015 06: 00
    +5
    A stab in the back - stab in the back!

    The question is now, how many more blows this back is willing to endure! The formulation of our MO "unfriendly act" invites us to continue stabbing us in the back. And our back is not a drum, and the guys who died now, both the pilots and the marine, these are our guys, relatives ...
  24. samara-58
    samara-58 25 November 2015 06: 02
    +3
    Well, who is hu? .. We are very trusting! To kill these goats is "accidental"! And the "calibers" must be wrong a couple of times! am
  25. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 25 November 2015 06: 04
    +8
    "RADAR INTELLIGENCE OF HMEIMIM AERODROME FIXED THE FACT OF VIOLATION OF THE AIRSPACE OF SYRIA BY AN ATTACKING AIRCRAFT OF THE TURKISH AIR FORCE - Russian General Staff"
    Erdogan was so carried away by saving his son’s business with ISIS oil that he lost his caution and dulled the scent.
    "3. We will urgently deliver S-300 to Syria, transfer troops to the western border and the border with Turkey with a unilateral entry into Syria of a no-fly zone, except for Russian aviation with a warning about the start of a war, in case of a repeat of this incident."
    An analogue of the S-300 is on the "Moscow" and the General Staff has already issued a warning!
    (Statement of the Ministry of Defense) The cruiser Moskva will destroy any targets that pose a threat to Russian aviation in Syria
  26. AndreyVH
    AndreyVH 25 November 2015 06: 04
    0
    According to journalists, fighters of the CAA Airborne Troops found the 2nd pilot and guarded him for 2 hours before he was delivered to the Russian Hmeimim air base in Latakia. http://rusvesna.su/news/1448413341
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    1. ML-334
      ML-334 25 November 2015 06: 32
      +4
      No need to snot warrant officer. We are not fattening, but easy to climb. We think more about the soul and not about wealth and somehow win in wars. God created us like that and there is no way to get away from it.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 25 November 2015 06: 33
      +2
      Quote: lisiy prapor
      anyone who lives in Russia

      Yes, you are just a bastard, but we live in RUSSIA!
      1. mojohed2012
        25 November 2015 07: 23
        +2
        What are you doing. Well, this is a troll from the nezalezhnoy ..., maybe, who came to us as a "refugee", but for the nenka (for which he did not stay to fight) it is a shame, even if sitting in Russia, but you cannot spend on the experience in the Ukr sofa troops.
  28. ayuric
    ayuric 25 November 2015 06: 07
    +5
    No one will release the brakes for sure, the incident received wide publicity, especially since the "second" side also shot down our turntable of the rescue mission, and this is already too much.
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  30. Neophyte
    Neophyte 25 November 2015 06: 11
    0
    It is not clear why there was no escort of the bomber by fighters? Further, there were warnings from the Turkish side about the alleged "violations" by our Aerospace Forces, and so on. Why were not EWs involved, because it was known about NATO deliveries of such
    Turkey’s planes? Questions, questions? The answer, judging by the Supreme’s statement, will be tough, I would like to believe! Turkey breaks constantly when the Kurds are bombed, where’s the chance of a retaliatory action using the Syrian Air Force? In general, it’s time for Syria to put more modern aircraft and many issues would be resolved, since control over the Syrian-Turkish border will be established in the near future!
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  32. kenig1
    kenig1 25 November 2015 06: 12
    11
    “Dear Russia, we Kurds will be happy to avenge your pilots. Just give us MANPADS, we will make a good no-fly zone for Erdogan, ”the report said.
  33. 3officer
    3officer 25 November 2015 06: 12
    +2
    Try to activate the "Syrian Express" to transport as much cargo as possible, the former "partners" may block the straits over time.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 25 November 2015 07: 14
      0
      And how do you imagine this? Blocking straits? They will block the chains, or WILL SHOOT on passing ships?
      So Istanbul, then, can become Constantinople, overnight. Everyone forgot that Erdogan, as president, according to the Turkish constitution, does not have the powers that he gave himself. Well, he did not have time to change the constitution! So the Turks, if not quite, will now wrap it up in a carpet and "hand it over" to Russia, with all its inherent features. This is for whom the International Terrorism Tribunal is useful. Even the mattress was crazy about what the Turks did. Obama will not fit in for Erdogan. Well, it won't. And there will be no NATO. Erdogan, IMHO, will "redraw" the map of the Middle East, but he will not like the result. And none of the Turks will like it.
      1. 3officer
        3officer 25 November 2015 07: 37
        0
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        And how do you imagine this? Blocking straits? They will block the chains, or WILL SHOOT on passing ships?
        So Istanbul, then, can become Constantinople, overnight. Everyone forgot that Erdogan, as president, according to the Turkish constitution, does not have the powers that he gave himself. Well, he did not have time to change the constitution! So the Turks, if not quite, will now wrap it up in a carpet and "hand it over" to Russia, with all its inherent features. This is for whom the International Terrorism Tribunal is useful. Even the mattress was crazy about what the Turks did. Obama will not fit in for Erdogan. Well, it won't. And there will be no NATO. Erdogan, IMHO, will "redraw" the map of the Middle East, but he will not like the result. And none of the Turks will like it.


        According to international conventions, it’s hard to imagine. But in connection with the latest events, I’m not surprised at anything. Judging by everything, Taip Pasha went to Va-Bank!
  34. perm23
    perm23 25 November 2015 06: 13
    +3
    Help the Kurds create a new state. The best answer to these Ottomans.
  35. alex-cn
    alex-cn 25 November 2015 06: 14
    +4
    Something all Turkey and Turkey, yes, the showdown with them will be long. But the area where the pilots were shot should not just be "in the Stone Age", but to be smashed into stone dust.
    1. mojohed2012
      25 November 2015 07: 25
      +1
      Well, we gouge the mountains and forests at the crash site and the landing of pilots, so what? It is necessary to hammer to where the F-16 took off. I now believe that our partners in the United States could well be behind the control of these aircraft.
  36. Military Builder
    Military Builder 25 November 2015 06: 18
    0
    Quote: miv110
    As a reward for the downed Russian plane, Erdogan received today a money transfer of $ 25 million to his bank in Switzerland.
    The money to Erdogan's account came from Bank of America. "


    if this is true, then for sure the application for a personal "ice ax" has already been sent to the manufacturers
  37. BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 25 November 2015 06: 20
    +2
    all this provocation is intended only for one thing, to provoke a conflict with Turkey, in order for Erdog to close the straits for our express trains, thereby disrupting the entire operation in Syria. They understand that there will not be such a second chance (Obama and Erdogan: Incidents are similar to the catastrophe of Su- 24 should not be repeated, http: //vz.ru/news/2015/11/25/780062.html)
    Now the ball is on our side, and I really hope that our leadership will play them better than the Russian national football team
    the most important thing has already been done (First: All actions of attack aircraft will be carried out only under the guise of fighter aircraft.

    Second: Measures will be taken to strengthen air defense. To this end, the cruiser "Moscow", equipped with an air defense system "Fort", similar to the S-300, will occupy the area in the coastal part of Latakia. We warn that all goals that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed.

    Third: Contacts with Turkey through the military line will be terminated. ”Http://trueinform.ru/modules.php?name=News&sid=43585)
    now you need to act carefully
    launch a media attack on Erdogad (Putin also stated that the incident with the Russian Su-24 in Syria goes beyond the usual fight against terrorism, and called it a “stab in the back,” which was carried out by terrorist accomplices. http: //vz.ru/news /2015/11/24/779959.html)erdogad cheated on many serious people in Turkey, I think there will be no big problems getting dirt on him and his son-geek
  38. 3officer
    3officer 25 November 2015 06: 20
    +1
    By the way, gentlemen, in connection with the latest events, we should expect a surge of trolling, so we save our nerves angry
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 25 November 2015 07: 12
      0
      Quote: 3officer
      By the way, gentlemen, in connection with the latest events, we should expect a surge of trolling, so we save our nerves angry

      Expect!!! All runet in diarrhea swims, every second imagines himself a diplomat, including overseas.
      Emotions are a bad friend, I think I check, there are a lot of fakes.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 25 November 2015 08: 25
        +1
        Quote: 3officer
        By the way, gentlemen, in connection with the latest events, we should expect a surge of trolling, so we save our nerves


        Nothing, we are in store for the novopassita, and for moonshine. We will survive. And for lovers of trolling, we will arrange a blockless zone.
  39. shinobi
    shinobi 25 November 2015 06: 22
    0
    I think there will be an economic response. The incident will be declared a misunderstanding, they will punish someone, and quietly let it go. Otherwise, war. But we and the Turks do not need it.
  40. motorized rifle
    motorized rifle 25 November 2015 06: 22
    +2
    The provocation was deliberately prepared, the cameras turned out like a piano in the bushes, plus a rally near the embassy 3 hours after the shooting down, additional confirmation of this. The style is the same as that of the Malaysian Boeing, that our board. Judging by the fact that NATO itself is in shock, the Turks agreed on everything with the Americans. So, people died, eternal memory and condolences to their families and friends, lost two aircraft. What's the bottom line? The Turks were so shitty that now they can't wash themselves, and at the same time they did NATO. In addition, their aviation can be sent on a long-term vacation, because according to the statement of the Russian Ministry of Defense, ANY aircraft that poses a danger to the Russian Aerospace Forces will go astray. Those. it is no longer possible for them to approach the borders of Syria, everything is honestly, every sheep lays its eggs, our political officer used to say. Here are just ten thousand tourists there say ...
  41. 1536
    1536 25 November 2015 06: 22
    +1
    If you are silent now, then you need to think such tricks of the NATO will be permanent? The British will begin to shoot down our long-range bombers, the Swedes to drown submarines that seemed to them to have entered their territorial waters, etc. It must be done so that it is not disastrous. And the GDP should know, the General Staff will not do it, then the people will do with the Turks what should be done in such a situation: hollow wherever these same Turks meet.
  42. BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 25 November 2015 06: 24
    0
    Quote: Vladimir
    Put the Kurdish workers' party in arms. Everything you need to completely destabilize turland. Create maximum stress and break it down. Let lousy cattle answer for the death of our guys.

    do not flog a fever, only 50% of Turks support Erdogad, maybe less, but 90% of Turks hate Kurds. do you want to help this donkey rally people around him, even those who hate him?
  43. BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 25 November 2015 06: 27
    0
    Quote: 3officer
    By the way, gentlemen, in connection with the latest events, we should expect a surge of trolling, so we save our nerves angry

    everything is ready for this, PIN dos have already said that the plane was shot down over Syria, now hard trolling will begin, but the straits are more important
  44. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 25 November 2015 06: 30
    0
    I am sure the Turks (Erdogan and k) will try to "bite the elbow" more than once, but it will be too late!
    We will not forget anything! It is a fact.
    From now on and for a long time, personally, I personally have no sympathy for the Turks!
    They will face very serious consequences for what happened yesterday! Highly!
    To work, warriors! To work, Russia!
  45. BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 25 November 2015 06: 30
    0
    Quote: The same Lech
    Wait for everyone to bury the co-pilot alive and already at our base


    Where does infa come from ... who is the source?


    URGENT: Arab media reports that the co-pilot of the downed Su-24 VKS of the Russian Federation was saved by the Syrian army as a result of a special operation http://rusvesna.su/news
    did not find other sources
  46. Shark Lover
    Shark Lover 25 November 2015 06: 30
    19
    Not as a criticism of the actions of the military, just to understand. The plane was shot down, the pilots ejected and only now unofficial information about the fate of the pilots appears. What is it like? Got on a plane and flew at your own peril and risk ?? I will give an example from a personal one. He served as the commander of an airborne platoon in the 56th Airborne Assault Brigade (Gardez) in such detail that it was clear that I was not making it up. This is not far from Khost, where Operation Magistral was carried out. Even before this operation, long ago, the area of ​​the passes was constantly processed by aviation, the UR was compared. Our area of ​​responsibility. Before each work of the pilots, the company was put in the PPD for a half-hour readiness, and the platoon (12 people) sat in full readiness under the blades of the duty pair. The pilots of the turntables (2 eights and 2 24s) sat in the cockpits of the turntables. Our equipment and composition, the platoon was strengthened by 2-3 PCs, with 1500 rounds of ammunition for each, each soldier 2 ammunition, plus 1–2 100 ammunition belts for the PC, plus flies, bumblebees. From food, a couple of cans of condensed milk - that's it. We knocked out the plane, it didn’t have time to fall to the ground, we were already leaving. We were dropped into place, the rest of the company was already sitting on the takeoff, waiting for the command. There are already Cliffs, AGS took. They found quickly if they tied the spirits, and the lads pulled up and pulled us out. The carousel is like that. And it worked. Why is it so long here? Believe me, where the aviation works, ours are not there for anyone and to blame for the fact that there are all strangers, well, we also did not land on the parade ground. The pilot is GOD, this is the person to whom you pray when all sorts of enemies are bugging you. It is not Siluanov, Gref or Shuvalov who will save you, but the PILOT, he will cover, he will save, well, more art. So why are THEM not so cherished? Not covering up?
    1. Vadimsh
      Vadimsh 25 November 2015 07: 11
      +1
      totally agree
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 25 November 2015 07: 26
      +3
      You're right, "fell asleep", it looks like our rescuers. I was also surprised that not "crocodiles", but Mi-8s are flying, this is in the area where they shoot from behind every bush! So there were no combat helicopters on duty? So they shot down the Mi-8. True, we do not know how quickly the rescue group reacted to the call, it seems, quickly, but I did not understand to fly into such an area without cover by at least a couple of combatants.
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 25 November 2015 09: 20
      0
      I agree with you. Yesterday I saw a video with our killed pilot. Evil takes!
    4. ABVGDEZH
      ABVGDEZH 25 November 2015 10: 04
      0
      + + + + + + + + + +
    5. figter
      figter 25 November 2015 10: 28
      0
      Shark Lover (1) SU Today, 06: 30 New
      Not as a criticism of the actions of the military, just to understand. The plane was shot down, the pilots ejected and only now unofficial information about the fate of the pilots appears. What is it like? Got on a plane and flew at your own peril and risk ?? I will give an example from a personal one. He served as the commander of an airborne platoon in the 56th Airborne Assault Brigade (Gardez) in such detail that it was clear that I was not making it up. This is not far from Khost, where Operation Magistral was carried out. Even before this operation, long ago, the area of ​​the passes was constantly processed by aviation, the UR was compared. Our area of ​​responsibility. Before each work of the pilots, the company was put in the PPD for a half-hour readiness, and the platoon (12 people) sat in full readiness under the blades of the duty pair. The pilots of the turntables (2 eights and 2 24s) sat in the cockpits of the turntables. Our equipment and composition, the platoon was strengthened by 2-3 PCs, with 1500 rounds of ammunition for each, each soldier 2 ammunition, plus 1–2 100 ammunition belts for the PC, plus flies, bumblebees. From food, a couple of cans of condensed milk - that's it. We knocked out the plane, it didn’t have time to fall to the ground, we were already leaving. We were dropped into place, the rest of the company was already sitting on the takeoff, waiting for the command. There are already Cliffs, AGS took. They found quickly if they tied the spirits, and the lads pulled up and pulled us out. The carousel is like that. And it worked. Why is it so long here? Believe me, where the aviation works, ours are not there for anyone and to blame for the fact that there are all strangers, well, we also did not land on the parade ground. The pilot is GOD, this is the person to whom you pray when all sorts of enemies are bugging you. It is not Siluanov, Gref or Shuvalov who will save you, but the PILOT, he will cover, he will save, well, more art. So why are THEM not so cherished? Not covering up?

      Because now complete illiteracy, window dressing and dilentantism.
  47. Scooter_gto
    Scooter_gto 25 November 2015 06: 40
    0
    1) Strengthen the group fighter su-30mk. Provide a permanent cover for our bombers.
    2) Place the cruiser "Moskva" off the coast of Syria
    3) Strengthen air defense in Lataki province with our s300-400
    4) Guarantee retaliation for trying to bring down another plane!
    Something like this, we must respond in my opinion.
  48. Sars
    Sars 25 November 2015 06: 46
    +3
    I propose to test two torpedoes of type Status-6. In the Bosporus and Dardanelles,
  49. Nehist
    Nehist 25 November 2015 06: 50
    0
    I read and wonder. Our planes were shot down during the times of the USSR. And how did it all end? Apologies were all. So no reaction will follow except loud statements.
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    1. 3officer
      3officer 25 November 2015 07: 02
      +3
      Quote: Mig-31
      My condolences to the relatives of the victims! Turks generally shook the shit bl..di! Russian brothers, why do not you arrange a rally in front of the Russian Defense Ministry? Demand that the leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense take revenge for the downed plane for the killed pilots. Express your support to the president of the GDP that the people should happen to him, let the world see on TV that the people of Russia demand the head of the culprit, if the Turks do not answer, it turns out that not only the president of GDP sniffs chews but people swallowed. I am 100% sure that in case of revenge for an eye, NATO will not answer anything, sorry for being rude, but you bl..d nuclear superpower!



      Show solidarity. Gather a rally in Astana in support of Russia.
      1. Mig-31
        Mig-31 25 November 2015 08: 23
        +4
        I will be able to collect it, but not in Astana but in Almaty