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Fiery radiance (4-I part)

CHAPTER 6 (ending)

- You are given complete freedom in the actions, Mr. Field Marshal. However, remember one thing - after taking Leningrad, it must be wiped off the face of the earth! - Hitler hit his fist hard on the table.

For a moment, after the words of the Fuhrer, there was silence in the room. Hitler quickly returned to his seat, sat down on a chair and finally concluded. - You will be able to discuss interaction with the Finnish troops with the chief of their general staff, General Heinrichs - in the morning he arrived at the headquarters of our High Command. And now everyone is free, but I ask Field Marshal Keitel to stay.

Having paid the honor, Halder, Manstein and Schmundt left the Führer's office. After a meeting so intense for him, the chief of the general staff of the ground forces looked depressed. He said a dry farewell to Schmundt and Manstein, he quickly walked away. For a while they watched him go.

“Mr. General,” Manstein finally said, turning to Schmundt. - The relations we have seen today between the commander in chief and the chief of the general staff of the ground forces are absolutely impossible. Either Hitler needs to obey his chief of general staff and observe the necessary forms of dealing with him, or the latter must draw certain conclusions for himself.
“I agree with you, Mr. Field Marshal,” Schmundt sighed. “But, I'm afraid, neither I, nor you, nor anyone else will be able to influence the Fuhrer in this matter ...”


21 August 1941,
neighborhood of Tikhvin
Location of the Military Council of the Volkhov Front

In a cool room, at two small tables, shifted together for convenience, sat representatives of the Military Councils of the Volkhov and Leningrad Fronts. The light of a large lamp hanging over the table made its way through the haze in the air from cigarettes smoked by them. The audience gathered in an undertone to discuss some current issues when the door opened and the commander of the Volkhov Front, Army General K.A., entered the room. Meretskov and the commander of the Baltic fleet Admiral V.F. Tributs. Meretskov, with a gesture of allowing the officers to appear when they appeared, went to his seat, inviting the admiral to take a chair next to him, and then he turned to representatives of the fronts.

- Comrades, today we are here to finalize the methods of our interaction at the stage of the beginning of the main stage of the operation, when delivering our main blow. We need to discuss together the degree of participation in it of the Neva Operational Group, as well as artillery and aviation Leningrad Front. In this case, we need to take into account all the comments and recommendations of the Supreme High Command Headquarters, which it gave to the fronts based on the results of the study of their action plans. To participate in our meeting today, I invited the chief of staff of the Volkhov Front, Major General Stelmakh. He will once again remind us of the current tasks of the fronts and will report on the current state of affairs. Please, Grigory Davydovich, - Meretskov passed the word to his chief of staff.

Using the map spread out on the tables, GD Stelmach briefly outlined the general plan of the operation of the Volkhov Front to the members of the Military Councils of the fronts, after which he proceeded to cover the latest events.
- According to our joint plan, in order to divert the enemy’s attention from the direction of the main attack of the Volkhov Front, which will be applied in the area between Gontova Lipka and Voronovo, the forces of the Leningrad Front need to conduct a number of private auxiliary operations. Fulfilling this plan, the day before yesterday, on August 19, the troops of the 55 Army of the Leningrad Front launched an offensive. Using the support of the Baltic Fleet ships from which the landing force landed, the advancing formations captured a bridgehead on the east bank of the Tosno River, in the Ivanovsky area, - Stelmach showed on the map the direction of the strike and pointed the area seized by the troops. - As a result, according to information provided to us from the headquarters of the Leningrad Front, the enemy has already begun to transfer its reserves, including heavy artillery, to the Ust-Tosno and Ivanovo regions, to carry out counterattacking actions, thereby weakening other sectors of the front. In the course of further development of the operation, the Nevsky Operational Group of the Leningrad Front, in cooperation with aviation, will need to tie up the enemy troops located in the Schlesselburg neck and prevent their turning towards the advancing parts of the Volkhov Front, showing the possible direction of German strikes towards and the flank of the advancing 8 army, he continued. - If, for any reason, as a result of the attack, the troops of the Volkhov front will not be able to reach the Neva River, the Neva task force will have to take its own offensive action, with the river being forced.

- Perhaps our front would have to go on the offensive simultaneously with the Volkhov front? - Terenty Fomich Shtykov, a member of the Military Council of the Leningrad Front, asked the speaker a question.
“We think that this is not advisable,” Stelmach replied to him. “Since the Leningrad Front has extremely limited possibilities for conducting such an operation, your strike will be possible only when our front succeeds in breaking through the German defense and diverting the main forces and reserves of the enemy. The General Headquarters Headquarters agrees with such an action plan.

A pause, which arose after the last words of the chief of staff of the Volkhov front, was interrupted by the General Director authorized by the General Headquarters and a member of the Military Council of the Volkhov and Leningrad fronts, General A.I. Zaporozhets, who was sitting next to the speaker:

- Does the enemy undertake anything in other directions? - He asked.
“The other day, our air reconnaissance recorded an increase in the intensity of rail traffic from the south towards Leningrad,” the major general replied. - In carrying out the assignment of the front headquarters, the partisans derailed several echelons moving in this direction. However, unfortunately, it was not possible to determine precisely the belonging of the troops transported in them to any formation. Perhaps this is the next marching replenishment for the troops of the Army Group North, which has been methodically coming to them since July, in order to compensate for the losses of the spring-summer battles.

“I would like to note that for the upcoming operation we are regrouping, concentrating and deploying troops in a limited number of lines of communication and with active operations of the enemy’s aircraft,” looking around all those present, drew Meretskov’s attention. - At the same time, the bulk of the connections and parts allocated for the operation moves along two railway lines with low throughput. Therefore, when concentrating parts and formations in the direction of our main attack, it is necessary to pay maximum attention to comprehensive methods of masking and concealment of troop movements. It is also necessary to take measures to disinform the enemy, regarding our plans.
“We are taking such measures, Kirill Afanasevich,” Stelmakh hastened to assure him. - When preparing the operation, no written directives, orders or other documents are sent. All orders are given verbally and only personally to members of military councils of armies and corps commanders who are called directly to the front headquarters for this. In order for the Germans to have the impression that we are preparing for military operations in the Novgorod region, during August, using operational camouflage, we show a large concentration of our troops in Malaya Vishera. The troops intended for the transfer to the Sinyavino area are loaded into the echelons under the pretext that our front supposedly received the task of sending some of its units and formations to the Southern Front. To perform such a maneuver, trains with troops are first demonstratively sent towards Moscow, and then, having turned around, follow through Vologda - Cherepovets and leave for Tikhvin. All units on this section of the track are transported in closed wagons with the inscriptions: “fuel”, “food”, “forage”, while Tanks and heavy artillery masked by hay.
“Grigory Davydovich, take this question under your personal control,” the front commander asked.
“This task is being closely solved by me and the head of the operational department of the front headquarters, Colonel V.Ya. Semenov,” Stelmakh reported. - He directly directs the regrouping, concentration and deployment of troops.

“Good,” the front commander approved of the actions of his staff. - We will continue further discussion of other issues ...

After two and a half hours, when the meeting finally came to an end, members of the military councils of the fronts began to collect their papers and leave the office. Alternately shaking hands with all and wishing good luck in the upcoming operation, Meretskov detained his chief of staff.
- The main thing is that we need not to forget the April events, when our unfolding offensive failed mainly due to the loss of the sense of reality by the command and staffs. Mistakes have that value that you can learn from them. Once again, work with the chiefs of staffs of armies and corps all the issues of deployment, concentration of troops and interaction during the operation, he ordered Stelmakh. - Over the next three to four days, I will personally check their readiness for the offensive.
“We’ll do everything, Kirill Afanasyevich,” the chief of staff of the front answered. “I think we can give the Germans an unpleasant surprise.”
“We may be able to, but will they not give us any surprise of their own?” - the commander of the front asked himself thoughtfully and, probably, the question to himself. - Request aviation about the possibility of increasing the number of reconnaissance missions, especially over the German transport hubs.
Grigory Davydovich nodded in understanding, but noted:
- Unfortunately, the capabilities of our aviation, especially reconnaissance, now we are still much worse than the enemy. But we will think of something, - in conclusion, he promised.

25 August 1941,
Volkhov front
Temporary command post of the 8 Army.

The car of the commander of the Volkhov front, swaying a little while moving along wooden flooring of poles laid across the road, approached one of the sturdy dugouts. K.A. Meretskov had not yet managed to get out of the car when a large figure of the commander of the 8 Army, General FN, appeared at the door of the wooden shelter. Starikov. Coming out with a quick step towards Kirill Afanasyevich, the commander took the visor:
- Good morning, Comrade Army General!
- Old men, what have you done with the road? - greeting me with the commander, asked Meretskov with interest. - When you go on such a way, the car constantly shakes, and the poles under the wheels "speak and sing" like the piano keys at the hands of a virtuoso! And you have it silent!
“She is not only silent,” said the smiling general. - It has become much stronger, and in a few days we will make it so that the shaking will disappear altogether. My engineers used a not very laborious, but rather practical way to eliminate it.
- What is it?
- Under the flooring, - continued Starikov, - the ground is poured. When they lie on it, the poles no longer vibrate. If you now cover the flooring with at least a thin layer of gravel to the ground, then the shaking will disappear, and the speed of movement will significantly increase.
- Who suggested this?
- The head of the army engineering troops, Colonel A.V. Germanovich. Together with his chief of staff R.N. Sofronov, he developed a road network development plan, and now its implementation is in full swing.
- A good idea. The laying of roads and column paths, especially in the conditions of the upcoming operation, is particularly important. - Approved the initiative of engineers, the commander of the front. “Your 8 Army is our first echelon; both the timely exit and rapid deployment of troops and the supply of the advancing units depend on good roads. And giving you reserves will be easier. And the fact that you will ask them, I have no doubt, - and the army general winked at Starikov with a cheerful wink.

Fiery radiance (4-I part)

In the conditions of the forest-marshland of the Volkhov front, both sides of the warring parties used a variety of materials and methods for building roads — for example, there were rut trails made of logs, plates or boards laid along transverse poles. In the thaw, such roads went under water, after which the illusion was created that soldiers, horses and carriages were moving right along its surface, and cars, like ships, cut through the waves before them.

Having descended into one of the trenches, Kirill Afanasyevich went through it, assessing the development of the message flow system. Soon his gaze rested on a high tower towering not far from the temporary command center of the army.
- And this, too, engineers have proposed? - He asked the accompanying Starikov. - And you can see far from her?
- No, it was suggested by operators and gunners, and they were built, of course, by engineers. Its height is 30 meters, which, in good weather, allows you to view almost the entire area to Sinyavino from it. We are thinking of using it to observe the battlefield, adjust artillery fire and air strikes. As far as we succeed, it is difficult to say. There is a fear that forest fires - and they, certainly, will arise - will significantly narrow the observation horizon to us, the commander added.

At that moment a distant rumble of motors was heard in the sky. Meretskov, raising his head and covering his eyes with his hand from the sun's rays, peered into the direction from which this sound came. The commander of the 8 army did the same with him.

- German! - soon exclaimed Starikov.
- Yes, Philip Nikanorovich, he himself, - in the tone confirmed to him Kirill Afanasyevich. “And not just a German, but a scout!” Apparently, the flow of our railway trains sent to Lake Ladoga nevertheless attracted the attention of the Fritz command.

One of the most recognizable German military “symbols” is the Focke-Wulf FW.189 reconnaissance aircraft (189 Focke-Wulf), which received the nickname “frame” from Soviet soldiers. The German command throughout the war paid increased attention to reconnaissance aircraft, which greatly helped the Germans in a timely manner to reveal the intentions of his opponent. Since the beginning of the war with the USSR, the production of such aircraft in Germany has steadily increased, and by the middle of the summer of 1942, this type of near reconnaissance became the most common on the German Eastern Front.

The plane, having described several circles over the forward positions, began to move slowly to the north. After some thought, the front commander told his companion:
- I think that in such conditions it is too risky to continue preparing the operation until the full concentration of all troops. The enemy can reveal our cards and get ready to repel the blow. To finally decide on the start of the operation, tomorrow we must gather for a meeting of the commanders and commissars of the formations of the first and second troop echelons.
“I think my commanders will not object to the start of the operation already on the morning of August 27,” Starikov said with conviction. - Almost all of our units and formations are ready for the start of the offensive.
- Well, that's good. Given the fact that we need to have time to spend with all the command and staff games on topographic maps, we have time, Philip Nikanorovich, what is called, “just enough.”
After these words, the commanders hurried back. They knew that the time account before the start of the operation from that moment had already gone on the watch, each of which was worth its weight in gold.

Commander of the Volkhov Front, Army General K.A. Meretskov among fighters, summer 1942.


26 August 1942.
Volkhov front, the location of the 1-th separate penal battalion.

The ranks of the 1 fighters of the separate Volunteer Battalion of the Volkhov Front, lined up in several rows, froze in anticipation of the order of the commander. The sun slowly drooped, gradually disappearing behind the high tops of the trees and occasionally sending its last daytime rays through the thick gray clouds. The smell of summer grasses was still in the air, but in the cool evening wind the autumn was soon approaching. The rank-and-file and sergeants standing in line, silently looked in the direction of the battalion commander who had left the center of the building in front of them. Soon loud commands were heard:

- The battalion is equal! Attention!

Now that the soldiers were looking only in front of them, they could only listen.

- Fighters! Our Motherland decided to give all of you a chance to atone for your guilt in front of her, - the voice of the battalion commander, a tall, lean, elderly major, was loud and hard. - It does not matter anymore, for what offenses or violations of military discipline you were sent to our penal battalion. Now you are all equal, regardless of who held what position before and what stripes were in his buttonholes. Therefore, the only thing that needs to be thought about now is how to accomplish the task set by the command. Only selfless and fearless execution of the order will give you the opportunity to deserve reinstatement in your previous titles, to return previously received awards. And only with your blood you can prove that you are worthy of such forgiveness for the Motherland. Tomorrow our battalion will go into battle on one of the most dangerous and difficult sectors of the front. Go ahead of everyone else. And I want to believe that you can show by your deeds how the commanders of the Red Army are able to fight, even if they attack in the form of ordinary soldiers! (14)

(14) - Contrary to certain established convictions, the Red Army penal battalions never sent not only civilians convicted of any criminal or other crimes, but also junior commanders (especially ordinary soldiers). According to Order No. 227 of 28.07.1942, only middle-level and senior commanders, as well as political workers of the respective ranks, were sent to shrafbats. Junior commanders and private soldiers were sent to penal companies, which were a completely different type of military units. That is why the penal battalion often represented a kind of elite infantry unit, staffed exclusively by officers. The fact that, in the event of the death or serious injury of a fighter of such a battalion, he received a full recovery in rank and rights, and the family of the deceased - a corresponding pension from the state, served as an additional significant stimulus for displaying courage and dedication in battle.

After these words, the battalion commander looked around at the formation of his fighters. They stood silent and motionless, their faces stern and focused. Finally, the major commanded:
- Battalion, at ease! Personnel allow rest - 30 minutes. Commanders of companies and platoons come to me for further instructions.

Then, having sharply turned around, the battalion commander, with a quick step, headed towards the small edge, on which his command post was quickly arranged. Behind him, trying to keep up, other commanders stretched in a string. Just a few hours ago, the battalion raised the alarm, quickly set the task and ordered to immediately move to the leading positions. Now the battalion commander had no choice but to give orders to his subordinates directly during the march.

The soldiers, who were still in the ranks at that moment, began to disperse gradually. Some sat down on the relatively dry lawns of their choice not far from the road along which they arrived here, passing more than three hours in marching columns. Others have chosen to go deeper into the forest to sit down on stumps or trunks of fallen trees. Among the latter was Orlov, who was able to find a place for himself on the trunk of a dry tree lying on the ground, half mired in the ground. Taking off his knapsack and placing a rifle next to it, he saw a large soldier of about sixty, who approached him and sat down on the same log.

“Yes, it is clear that we will have a hot day tomorrow,” he said to Orlov. - The Germans are already here as moles, probably. Nikityansky, Sergey Ivanovich, - he introduced himself to Orlov and extended his large, callused hand to him.
- Alexander Orlov, - shaking hands with the interlocutor, he answered. - Unfortunately, most likely, not only buried. And mines with barriers in several rows, and each bush is shot. And this is only at the forefront, and how many defensive lines do they have in the depths ... - Orlov gestured to the side where the Germans were supposedly leading positions. Then, changing the subject, he asked, “Have you been in the battalion for a long time?”

One of the features of the defense of the Germans on all fronts of the war was the saturation of the front edge with numerous camouflaged machine-gun points, especially in key defense centers. Using both frontal and flanking fire, they inflicted heavy losses on the advancing infantry. In the photo - the German machine gun on the position in the assumption (Volkhov Front, 1942)

- Yes, almost from the very beginning of the formation - from the end of July (15). According to the company commander, Vaughn even “was promoted” to the squad leader, - with an ironic grin, the gray-haired fighter nodded at his buttonholes with the lone triangle of the junior sergeant. - Although, of course, this is not my merit - we have in the battalion on positions from a platoon and above only unconvincing commanders, including young people straight from military schools. But someone and the branches need to command. So they decided to appoint me.

(15) - The 1-th separate penal battalion was formed one of the first - it was officially included in the forces of the Volkhov Front on July 29 of the year 1942.

- And who were you before such a “promotion”? - Orlov looked into Nikityansky's eyes.
- How by whom? Like you, private. You see, he immediately jumped over the corporal, he grinned. - And here still earlier - the regiment commander. Well, and you, since such a frank conversation went, in what position did you serve up to the penal battalion?
- Commander of the rifle battalion, major. True, I was appointed to this position only in the spring, ”said Alexander.
“Well, I already went to colonels since the beginning of the war,” answered Nikityansky. “Now, on the second circle, I start my career,” he laughed and, slamming Orlov lightly on the shoulder, continued, “you look, and you will soon be leaving the private ones as if you will leave the corporals.”
Alexander nodded back and smiled. From his own experience, he knew that at the front, on the verge of death, one should never lose a sense of humor. He took a cigarette case from his pocket, and he handed a cigarette to the former colonel. Lit up, they sat next to each other silently, each lost in his own thoughts ...

At the command post, under a small improvised canopy, covered with a camouflage net, there was a car of the commander of the penal battalion. Next to her, the staff in a hurry set the table. The battalion commander approached him, took a card from the tablet and, spreading it on the table, turned to the commanders' mouths and platoons behind him:

“Please approach the map,” he gestured for everyone closer to the table. - By the decision of the front command, our battalion was attached to the 265 th rifle division of the 8 th army. The task of our battalion is to break through the enemy's defensive lines and quickly break through to a strong enemy stronghold in Tortolovo, which makes it possible for the main forces of the division to enter the battle, the major spent penciling the red arrows that marked the battalion’s mouths on the map. - To enhance the battalion will be assigned to the engineer, machine-gun platoon, as well as a battery of 45-mm guns and one howitzer battalion.

The assembled lieutenants and captains, who also got maps from tablets, listened to the battalion commander and made notes on them.
“Before the offensive, it is vital for us to detect the maximum number of enemy firing points and assess its defense system,” the major continued. - Therefore, tonight, four hours before the start of the main operation, I order the reconnaissance in force. To do this, select the first, second, and third companies from among its members one reinforced platoon and carry out attacks on the directions indicated in the plan of operation. The coordinates of the detected firing positions of the Germans should be recorded and immediately transferred to the artillerymen, for which purpose, to establish a stable connection with them. That's all for now. The remaining details of the operation will be discussed when the battalion leaves the area of ​​concentration planned for it. Any questions?
- No, no! - the battalion commander heard in reply.
“Good,” he looked at his watch. - After twenty minutes, raise people and go on. By night, we must be in place.

Half an hour later, again lining up in a column, the battalion was again set in motion. He was faced with another transition, which will soon end at the most advanced. The soldiers, talking quietly and straightening their shoulder straps, looked cautiously at the gray sky. On the march, given the swamps and dense forest on both sides of the narrow road, they represented a good target for German aircraft. However, the sky was clear, and the onset of darkness soon hid the ranks of the soldiers marching westward ...

27 August 1942.
Volkhov front, Tortolovo
Lane of the 265 Infantry Division

The battle was already almost 10 hours. Penalties, having successfully conducted night reconnaissance in their area, revealed most of the enemy’s firing positions at the front line, which contributed to their destruction by artillery and the subsequent rapid breakthrough of the first German defense lines. Having crossed the Black River, they penetrated the German defenses 1-2 kilometers. But by the middle of the day the enemy, pulling up reserves, launched strong counterattacks and even pressed the battalion somewhat. The fighters managed to retake the initiative and resume the advance, when the main forces of the 265 Infantry Division joined the attack on Tortolovo. However, the defense of the Germans was not yet completely broken - the fortified line on the way directly to Tortolovo could not be overcome. Particularly annoyed the attacker strongly fortified bunker of the enemy, who was right in front of the area on which the company Orlov. Around the approaches to the firing point lay several dozen dead and wounded soldiers. In addition to the machine-gun nest, an enemy platoon entrenched in trenches around it, with its fire preventing the attackers from coming closer or bypassing the bunker from the flanks. Practically pushing himself into the ground, Alexander creptly crawled up to a small tubercle, which gave at least minimal protection from enemy bullets. Now to the right, then to his left, explosions of mortar shells were heard, falling asleep with shrapnel and earth all around. Now there was only open space ahead, well shot by the Germans. Orlov looked a little to his right. In the fresh funnel from the projectile there lay Nikityansky, whose helmet only occasionally appeared above ground level.
- Ivanovich, can you cover up? - Alexander shouted to him.
“Come on,” he could hear back, through the noise of battle.

Literally in a couple of seconds, Nikityansky abruptly appeared over the funnel and released a long line in the direction of the bunker from his PCA. At this moment, having broken from his seat and crouched low as possible, Orlov made another leap, jumping over the motionless fighters as he went. It seemed a little more, and he would be able to get close to the machine-gun point for the distance of the grenade throw. But he did not have time to run a few meters, when a strong blow to the arm almost turned him around and made him fall to the ground. On the right sleeve of the tunic, blood immediately began to bleed out. Holding the wound with his hand, Alexander turned on his side. Despite the roar around him, he could hear the moans of the wounded soldiers lying around him. An ominous whistle of bullets resounded unceasingly overhead, grenades that the Germans threw in the direction of the attackers continually exploded. It seemed their attack here was completely choked. Suddenly, from somewhere behind me, there was a rumble of an engine and the clank of tank tracks. With pain, overcoming pain and trying not to raise his head, Orlov looked back. Overcoming with the help of their wide caterpillars mud and mud, the KV tank confidently moved towards them. The Germans frantically carried all their fire on him. But the tank, despite this, stubbornly crawled on their position. Somewhere there were shots of an anti-tank gun. It was visible, how shells cut into armor, beating out from it a spark. However, even after such hits, the tank only faded for a moment, as if it ran into an invisible obstacle, after which it again went forward. Finally, stopping almost next to Orlov, KV suddenly released a long fiery jet from the tower towards the enemy’s dota. It seemed to Alexander that from the heat that emanated from this yellow-red snake, on him, in an instant, the clothes completely soaked before that had dried. From the German positions heard the heartbreaking screams. Turning his head, he saw that the Germans, tearing off their burning uniforms as they went, were running away from their shelters.

- Infantry, follow me! - He heard the familiar voice of Sergei Ivanovich, jumped out of his refuge.
- Urr-pp-ra! - picked up his fighters, rushing forward.

Exhausted, leaning back, Orlov watched the renewed attack. Now he no longer had any doubts that the German stronghold in Tortolovo would be taken in the near future, and the offensive of the Soviet troops after that should begin to develop rapidly.

Initially, the task of installing a commercially available tank KV-1 ATO-41 flamethrower, was worked out in the summer of 1941, at the Kirov plant in Leningrad. This modification of the machine received the index KV-6. After the evacuation of the main part of the plant to Chelyabinsk, work on such a tank continued, with the result that in December 1941, the first tank model was made, designated KV-8. On it a flamethrower was installed in the turret of the tank, along with an 45-mm tank gun and a DT machine gun. To flamethrower tank did not differ from the linear, the gun outside was covered with a massive camouflage cover, creating the illusion of weapons KV 76-mm gun. The first combat use of such machines was successfully held in August 1942 of the year, at the front of the 8 th Army of the Volkhov Front. The photo shows the first Soviet flamethrower tank KV-8, captured by the Germans (Volkhov front, September 1942).

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Articles from this series:
Fiery radiance (1-I part) ("Military Survey" site)
Fiery radiance (2-I part) ("Military Survey" site)
Fiery radiance (3-I part) ("Military Survey" site)
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 28 November 2015 07: 42
    Thanks .. and the comments are interesting ..
    1. Dmitry Ukraine
      28 November 2015 08: 29
      Hello Alexy! hi Glad you are interested.
      1. Secta haki
        Secta haki 28 November 2015 21: 03
        How interesting ...

        One of the features of the German defense on all fronts of the war was the saturation of the front line with numerous camouflaged machine-gun points, especially in key defense nodes. Using both frontal and flanking fire, they inflicted heavy losses on the advancing infantry.

        crawled up to a small tubercle that provided at least minimal protection from enemy bullets. Explosions of mortar mines were heard either to his right or to his left, falling asleep with fragments and earth all around.

        Again, nonsense in the style of "Terkin" and other brain-composting propaganda on Russian brains - the main and greatest losses were suffered by the Soviet infantry from mortar mines and not from machine guns. The German machine gun had a too high rate of fire, it required at least three carriers, too frequent barrels change, and after the war in MG3 it was reduced and made adjustable. Mortar shards tore the body and not "they covered everything around", and such wounds are treated many times worse than bullet wounds, the mine gives a circular scattering of fragments and you can only escape from it if there are "bumps around", or in a hole, or behind armored personnel carriers, which were not in the Soviet army. ..
        1. Dmitry Ukraine
          28 November 2015 23: 33
          The Soviet infantry suffered losses from all types of weapons that were at the disposal of the Wehrmacht. Mortar fire, as a means of engaging enemy manpower, was, of course, the same very effective. But, sometimes having two machine guns per squad (!), The German units created a deadly density of fire. Hopefully. You know the difference between machine gun fire and, for example, submachine gun fire. In this regard, I remember the words of the disrespectful Mr. Basayev, who, after the events in Buddenovsk, once said - "I saw how they went to the machine guns ... so only the soldiers of group" A "could go to them (" Alpha")". In general, I would like to ask you a question - have you yourself ever been under fire? Mortar, artillery, MLRS, machine gun / submachine gun? Did you feel the difference on yourself? Mines / shells can be heard. Yes, "tears the body" with shrapnel, it's true. But this is when they hit you. And if, thank God, they do not get there, then "everyone around falls asleep." I will say one thing - you won't hear your bullet. As for the "three trays" - it's generally difficult to comment, especially if the machine gun is on a German motorcycle with a sidecar ... Usually I don't put "minuses", but this one is mine.
          1. Secta haki
            Secta haki 30 November 2015 13: 44
            Mortars killed more than 60% of the manpower of all the warring parties in WWII, and these were mainly Soviet losses, since there were no motorized infantry with armored personnel carriers only in the USSR Armed Forces. Delivered by Lendliz 1000 pieces from August 1944 were given tractors to the artillery. And very few are for scouts.

            you so clever put a "+" for the questions (with the answers to which you will interrupt) and agitation from Basayev, whose machine gunners were covered by children.
            1. Secta haki
              Secta haki 30 November 2015 16: 03
              dney-chast-vtoraya.html # comment-id-5288197
              On the benefits of armored personnel carriers, "the absence of which after the Second World War in the SA was recognized as a" great omission "" (Wikipedia, armored personnel carriers).
              Also in the trenches, the Soviet infantry caught fragments from behind - German or English did not catch.
            2. Dmitry Ukraine
              30 November 2015 16: 51
              I absolutely agree that mortars were one of the main means of destruction on the battlefield. By the way, in the subsequent chapters of the book I talk about this. And even one of the characters in the book will die from a German mine. But machine-gun fire, especially in the open, is the culprit of numerous infantry losses.
              1. Secta haki
                Secta haki 1 December 2015 14: 49
                Quote: Dmitry Ukraine
                I absolutely agree that mortars were one of the main means of destruction on the battlefield.

                Quote: SectaHaki
                Mortars killed more than 60% of the manpower of all warring parties in WWII

                It was the main and most important means of destruction.
                All other weapons combined killed fewer combatants than mortars.
                Quote: Dmitry Ukraine
                And even one of the characters in the book will die from a German mine.

                From a direct hit from a German mine? ... If she fell, then she knocked out not "one" but near the squad, sometimes to the platoon entirely.
                Just like that in Jewish isolates?
                The mortar mine is according to the principle of application - "thrown" at the desired point on the battlefield MON / Claymore circular action. The OFS of a field gun or howitzer does much less damage than a mortar mine, especially to attackers.
                1. Secta haki
                  Secta haki 2 December 2015 13: 08
                  The main part of the fragments gives the side or cylindrical part of the projectile or mines. The shell, even the howitzer, sticks obliquely, due to which fragments from the side surface after its explosion, almost all go to the ground or to the sky. That insignificant percentage of them that scatter parallel to the earth is of the greatest danger only if the projectile falls almost exactly into the chain of attackers. The fledged mortar mine sticks vertically, due to which almost all fragments from its lateral surface fly apart parallel to the ground. Moreover, it doesn’t matter much if she falls into battle formations, behind or in front of them.
                  The German motorized infantry dismounted from inside the armored personnel carrier, which had ballistic and bulletproof armor, only after the shelling zone of the Soviet mortars passed, so they did not suffer such heavy losses as the Soviet infantry and tank paratroopers. The same thing was to a lesser extent on the defensive due to the properly open trenches that provided the shooter with protection against splinters from behind, as well as better protection against sniper fire ...
                  1. strannik1985
                    strannik1985 2 December 2015 19: 56
                    By the start of Operation Barbarossa, only some units had sufficient Sd Kfz 251. The best equipped was the 1st Panzer Division, in which both 1st battalions of the 113st and 2th Infantry Regiments had armored personnel carriers. In addition to it, only in the 69nd battalion of the 10th regiment of the 251th tank division were Sd Kfz 2. In the remaining tank divisions, only one company of motorized infantry was equipped with armored personnel carriers. In the 2nd Panzer Division it was the 304nd Company of the 3th Motorized Infantry Regiment (Schuerzen Regiment), in the 1rd Panzer Division - the 3st Company of the 4rd Motorized Infantry Regiment, in the 1th Panzer Division - the 12st Company 5th Motorized Infantry Regiment, 14th Panzer Division - several companies of 6th Motorized Infantry Regiment, 8th Panzer Division - 116th Company of 7th Motorized Infantry Regiment, 1th Panzer Division - 6st Company 8 8st tank regiment, in the 9th tank division - one of the companies of the 1th motorized infantry regiment was incompletely re-equipped. In the 10th Panzer Division, armored personnel carriers were in the 11st company of the 1th Motorized Infantry Regiment, in the 110th Panzer Division - in the 12st Company of the 1th Motorized Infantry Regiment, in the 25th Panzer Division - in the 13st Company 1 motorized infantry regiment, in the 66th tank division - in the 15st company of the 2th motorized infantry regiment, in the 115th tank division - in the 17nd company of the 1th motorized infantry regiment, in the 40th tank division - in 18 company of the 1th motorized infantry regiment, in the 52th tank division - in the 20st company of the 59nd motorized infantry regiment and in the 251th tank division - one of the companies of the 14th infantry regiment was partially equipped with Sd Kfz 16 armored personnel carriers. In the 19th, 251th and XNUMXth Panzer Divisions, there were no motorized infantry units equipped with Sd Kfz XNUMX armored personnel carriers at all.
                    1. Secta haki
                      Secta haki 3 December 2015 16: 25
                      In all the assault was enough. Again confuse tank with motorized infantry.
                      1. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 3 December 2015 17: 47
                        In what assault? Are you not aware that motorized / mechanized infantry (14 such formations were involved in the Barbarossa), tank and infantry divisions were used together?
                        Can you see the sources of your "knowledge"?

                        In the motorized corps of the outbreak of war, 4 tank battalions accounted for up to 17 infantry battalions (eight motorized infantry, six motorized infantry and three motorcycle and infantry battalions) .Even if you take a separate tank division, then two tank battalions had four infantry battalions and one motorcycle and infantry battalion , what against this background does a whole company (on average) give on an armored personnel carrier?
                      2. Secta haki
                        Secta haki 5 December 2015 05: 54
                        In those that stormed the front edge of the enemy, sitting inside the armored personnel carrier, dismounting from them 100-150m to the line of trenches, and did not sit defensively in their trenches or carried out rear service.
                        How is motorized infantry different from motorized infantry?
                        When finally bring your own and learn to distinguish one from the other. The German infantry was all motorized. Nobody went far on foot, much less climbed without an APC in the field under mortar fragments.
                      3. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 5 December 2015 12: 00
                        Actually, and up to 50-60 meters on an armored personnel carrier, so what? What does the term "assault" have to do with it?
                        According to the presence of an armored personnel carrier as part of the German Armed Forces, he brought to the beginning of the war, open your eyes, will I see yours?
                        Discover Erst, Wehrmacht's Motorized Infantry, Part 1.
                        Of the nearly 400 infantry companies in September 1939, only two or three were on armored personnel carriers ... by May 1940, out of 80 motorized infantry battalions, only two had armored personnel carriers ... by June 1941, out of 185 motorized infantry battalions, only a few had enough Sd.Kfz.251 ... in September 1943 the Wehrmacht had 226 motorized infantry battalions, of which only 26 were on armored personnel carriers. At the same time, motorized infantry was quite successful. On what?
                        In a typical German army motorized corps of two tank and one motorized divisions there were about 37 thousand people, 360 tanks, 264 mortars, 335 guns, 6500 cars, 4100 motorcycles. Questions?
                      4. Secta haki
                        Secta haki 5 December 2015 15: 59
                        Sometimes they arrived and threw grenades to the line of trenches and then drove on, crushing and shooting, or capturing those running away like hares.
                        Flush your own, and then with your anti-armored and anti-mortar persistence they are a bit overwhelming.
                        In addition to Erst, Ribbentropp or Trotsky still believe or teach others lol
                        Open Wikipedia, see how many armored personnel carriers were produced by the Germans and on the basis of which types of half-track transporters. If they had a shortage of armored personnel carriers, they would have bolted the armored hulls to the chassis of the remaining tens of thousands of "Maultier" and other tyashachi.
                        In addition to "approximately" 15252 units of Sd.Kfz.251, there were also 7000 250x and thousands and hundreds of other armored personnel carriers, on which the Germans, back in WWII, passed through the most deadly zone of mortar fire for the infantry, behind their splinterproof armor.
                        The most common armored personnel carriers in the Wehrmacht are an element of a blitzkrieg, and then the sluggish destruction of Russians who did not have them, as well as the presence of dive bombers who knocked out anti-tank defenses for the freedom of action of tanks and armored personnel carriers, and set up through all the same armored personnel carriers fighting for the absence of armored personnel carriers in the Red Army "agents of influence" of Soviet aviation at the beginning war on airfields, for the freedom of action successively of these dive bombers and then armored personnel carriers, which is why the Wehrmacht on the battlefield suffered many times less casualties.
                      5. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 5 December 2015 16: 14
                        That is, there are no sources and most likely there will not be. Q.E.D. I see no point in discussing your "ifs". Thanks.
                      6. Secta haki
                        Secta haki 6 December 2015 05: 30
                        That is, you are a fan of Erst, Ribbentropp and Trotsky, merged again even on this topic, now dancing on Russian bones, the Germans had the numbers of the number of APCs available to you, also the name of the resource where you can see them ...

                        "If only" you had it for Ivanushki, and the Germans had a blitzkrieg on armored personnel carriers immune to mortar fragments, and then squeezed them out of Russia without having such armored vehicles (which was only recognized after the war omission) with a lot of blood, but so that this does not reach the new generation, people like you are needed here. And also leaving everywhere in the designation of the class of armoring of cars only the words "anti-projectile" or "anti-bullet", with the removal of the word "anti-fragmentation" ... I see you all like that.
                      7. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 6 December 2015 08: 44
                        Amendment-Egers E.V.
                        Perederg laughing
                        The figure you mentioned is the general release of this machine for the entire war from 1939 to 1945, of which there were several dozen modifications. What did you ask for? What are you juggling with?

                        PS You can neglect as much as you like, it will not replace the facts.
                      8. Secta haki
                        Secta haki 6 December 2015 11: 10
                        Who cares? Didn't you write like that?
                        Compare these numbers with the release of tanks. Facts against you ...
                      9. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 6 December 2015 11: 54
                        Of course, of course, you better know from your finger laughing
                      10. Secta haki
                        Secta haki 7 December 2015 01: 25
                        Do not confuse Wikipedia with a finger.
                      11. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 7 December 2015 07: 07
                        Where is the statement on Wiki that the Wehrmacht motorized infantry was 100% on an APC? This is your finger sucking of the total number of cars released.
                      12. Secta haki
                        Secta haki 7 December 2015 07: 51
                        Finger sucking is your exclusive all.
                        The wiki figures for the production of armored personnel carriers of different types, which were released more than tanks of different types.
                        The fact that it was provided by an armored personnel carrier 100% which attacked along with tanks and about the destructive action of dive bombers was known and even complained by the French prime minister to the British prime minister.
                        It is strange that you know nothing about it.
                      13. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 7 December 2015 08: 19
                        All types, from the command vehicle to the cannon tractor, and not just the conveyor belt of soldiers. Naturally, there are more support vehicles (not only armored personnel carriers, all-communications, sanitary, self-propelled mortars, carriers of 75-mm and 37-mm guns, ammunition transporters, sapper, etc.) more than tanks, and not only in German.
                        Interesting, but neither Russian nor German historians know about it. Funny, don’t you?
                      14. Condor-a
                        Condor-a 8 December 2015 11: 02
                        You insist that the German infantry did not pass the mortar fire zone inside their armored personnel carriers with armor thicker than that of the BMP-1,2 and the almost-tracked chassis, and went on the attack riding on tanks (at best) like the Soviet?

                        You know the word "standard"? Some percentages were spent on the "types" of Sdkfs251, for more than a third of types, Wikipedia writes NEVER BUILT in English. In addition to him, there was also Sdkfz 250, SdKfz 4 and others
                        Cannon tractors were unarmored SdKfz.10 and others, smaller numbers
                        Permanently use armored personnel carriers as a tractor can only pests (and almost the only way they used the delivered 1000pcs M3 in the USSR after August 1944 for lend-lease, or surrendered in cannon version to scouts).
                        No one uses an infantry fighting vehicle as a tractor, and in terms of booking and use, German armored personnel carriers were in fact non-floating infantry fighting vehicles.
                        The first English tanks also had a pair of wheels, but only at the rear.
                        The roof of the German armored personnel carriers, and then the Czech OT-810 was also, like the BMP, but only removable. The mortar base plate was carried with them.
                        The light cannon, like the roof, could always be removed (as the ZU-23 was placed on the BMP) and put the machine gun back
                        An ordinary minivan turns into an ambulance without any problems.
                        Walkie-talkies were in all.

                        In fact, there were only four subtypes of the main German armored personnel carrier, and they differed mainly in the reservation scheme for increasing its volume and greater ease of production.

                        The Soviet Army reached the same level as the Wehrmacht with a bonus in the form of some amphibiousness only in the 60s with the adoption of the BMP-1, because before that the Soviet armored personnel carriers were wheeled and had low cross-country ability.
                      15. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 8 December 2015 11: 58
                        You insist that the German infantry did not pass the mortar fire zone inside their armored personnel carriers with armor thicker than that of the BMP-1,2 and the almost-tracked chassis, and went on the attack riding on tanks (at best) like the Soviet?

                        I suggest confirming your fingering with links to sources so far that your conclusions are not worth a penny.

                        Production of armored vehicles. Armored personnel carriers
                        Наименование образца 1939 1940 1941 1942 1943 1944 1945 Всего
                        Sd Kfz 250 389 1374 2895 1701 269 6628
                        Sd Kfz 251 424 1200 4258 7785 1016 15152
                        ИТОГО 232 237 813 2574 7153 9486 1285 21 780

                        Sd.Kfz. 251/15 self-propelled flamethrower. Armament: two 14 mm caliber flamethrowers and two MG34 machine guns. Flamethrowers were installed on the sides of an armored personnel carrier, a supply of fire mixture of 700 l (for 80 two-second shots) of the issued copies - 347
                        Sd.Kfz.251 / 16 self-propelled anti-aircraft gun. Automatic Flak 38 anti-aircraft gun of 20 mm caliber behind a standard shield in the middle of the body with hinged sides. Ammunition 600 rounds. The combat weight of 8,8 tons, a crew of 4 - 6 people Released copies - 211

                        Sd.Kfz.251 / 20 self-propelled anti-aircraft gun. The built carriage - Flakdrilling Socklaffete - with three Mauser MG 151/15 automatic caliber guns of 15 mm caliber or MG 151/20 caliber of 20 mm behind a small U-shaped shield in the middle of the body. Ammunition 3000 rounds. Additional armament: machine gun MG 42. Crew 6 people Released copies- 387
                        Sd.Kfz.251 / 21 self-propelled artillery mount, 75-mm Pak 40/1 anti-tank gun behind a standard shield in front of the body. Ammunition 22 rounds. Crew 4 people Released copies-262
                      16. Condor-a
                        Condor-a 8 December 2015 18: 26
                        That is, you still insist that the German infantry in the Second World War did not pass the mortar bombardment zone inside their armored personnel carriers with armor thicker than that of the BMP-1,2 and almost-tracked chassis, and went on the attack riding tanks (in the best case) like the Soviet?
                        Even the video of their attacks on YouTube, not that the memoirs of Soviet front-line soldiers claim otherwise.

                        I suggest you again not to confuse Wikipedia with a finger and look there ...
                        You even have problems with column arithmetic, and you again forgot about SdKfz, for example.

                        The "rest" of 15252 SdKfz251 alone where did it go? How many were STANDARD?
                        do you understand why "behind a regular armor shield", and not in your gun mask like on Stugs?

                      17. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 8 December 2015 20: 21
                        I suggest you again not to confuse Wikipedia with a finger and look there ...

                        Yes, take a look at Sd.Kfz.251's own source, use section. What is written there?

                        The "rest" of 15252 SdKfz251 alone where did it go? How many were STANDARD?

                        In this case, the figures are only some modifications to the vskidka. Your statement about the full provision of motorized infantry to BTR-you and prove. So far, you have successfully proved the opposite.
                      18. Condor-a
                        Condor-a 8 December 2015 23: 30
                        Read what is written in the "Combat Application" section.
                        From a pseudo-English point of view (and the same ones wrote articles in many languages ​​for Russians about the theory of submarine buoyancy in many languages), did panzergrenadiers have to drive trucks on the battlefield? bully

                        The Germans did not have tank paratroopers ... they had motorized rifles.
                        So far, you have successfully beaten more than 10 times.
                        Were German tank forces fully equipped with tanks? Armored personnel carriers were released even more ...
                      19. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 9 December 2015 10: 47
                        Dear, are you crazy or pretending to be? For 1 battalion of tanks in the tank division there were 2 motorized infantry battalions, or up to 3,5-4,25 motorized infantry battalions in a motorized corps. How many Sd.Kfz 251 should be in the BTR version for manning all motorized infantry companies with armored personnel carriers (and there should be 26 units per company)?
                      20. Condor-a
                        Condor-a 9 December 2015 11: 04
                        you don't pretend ...
                        How many armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles do the RF have now on its payroll?
                        There is no "Sd.Kfz 251 in the APC version", this is a standard APC.

                        Part of the infantry always remains in its trenches and does not attack the enemy. Need to explain why?
                      21. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 9 December 2015 14: 11
                        You are comparing the armies of peacetime and wartime (and the latter is waging an all-out war, everything for the front, otherwise there will be no "later").

                        What remains is the personnel of support units, what does this have to do with motorized infantry?
                      22. Condor-a
                        Condor-a 10 December 2015 00: 24
                        After the war is declared, the mass production of infantry fighting vehicles and the T-72 will immediately begin?
                        This has to do with motorized infantry. It is done so that in the event of a failure of his attack, the counterattacks on the shoulders of those retreating into the trenches do not jump.
                      23. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 10 December 2015 06: 22
                        No, in a special period and after the outbreak of war, units and formations of the frame will be formed, for which equipment from long-term storage warehouses will go, the very BMP and T-72.

                        This is called a reserve and it is intended to support / develop an attack, for example, an infantry regiment of the Red Army during an attack in 1942 could allocate no more than a platoon to a reserve, and a rifle corps of no more than one battalion. The Germans often used support units, scouts, and sappers as a reserve.
                      24. Condor-a
                        Condor-a 10 December 2015 08: 19
                        Is this technique not currently taken into account on the aircraft?
                        This is called guarding its trenches.
                      25. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 10 December 2015 08: 58
                        Naturally taken into account, but this is in conditions of the peacetime army, Germany has a different situation, a total war is already underway, it makes no sense to stockpile equipment.

                        During the attack ??? What guidance documents have you taken from?
                      26. Condor-a
                        Condor-a 10 December 2015 17: 26
                        It was incoherent, and total war was declared in 1943. You cannot read all the documents ... You cannot leave the trenches empty, they will immediately "settle" if something goes wrong.
                      27. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 10 December 2015 18: 39
                        Do you have information that the Germans armored personnel carriers for long-term storage? Source? laughing
                        That is another freshly sucked nonsense from a finger.
                      28. Condor-a
                        Condor-a 10 December 2015 22: 13
                        There is information that they did not have "tank wardens", but were armored personnel carriers.
                        It's time for you to write your attendant:
                        That is, there are no sources and most likely there will not be. Q.E.D. I see no point in discussing your "ifs". Thanks.
                        I suggest confirming your fingering with links to sources so far that your conclusions are not worth a penny.
                        This is your finger sucking of the total number of cars released.
                        Of course, of course, you better know from your finger laughing
                        Of course, of course, from a finger it is more true lol
                        You are not a troll, have you taken your version from your finger?

                        This is only from the first page of your comments out of 10

                        Where does such painful fixation to this organ come from?
                      29. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 11 December 2015 06: 01
                        What for? I already know that you cannot confirm your fabrications. Thank you for the attention. Ciao.
                      30. Condor-a
                        Condor-a 11 December 2015 10: 26
                        Then, what can you refute with your own notions of this difference?
                      31. Condor-a
                        Condor-a 11 December 2015 10: 54
                        When infantry rides FOR armor, or ON it.

                        Hence the difference in the losses of the Wehrmacht and the Red Army, the reasons for which you are so trying to cover up with your dog shit.
                        Soviet tank paratroopers preferred to climb onto tanks and represent an excellent group target for machine guns and small arms of the enemy, if only to pass the rlyvmtrey even more dangerous zone of mortar fire.
                        Because the mortars killed 60% of the manpower in WWII with their fragmentation effect - more than all the other weapons taken together, and these were mainly SOVIET LOSSes since the infantry in the attack was unarmored, and in the defense they usually opened the trench incorrectly, without proper protection from behind and from the sides of the fragments.
                        Shrapnel wounds are treated much harder than bullet wounds. In the Second World War, the doctors had the first question "splinter" or not, and then two lines. After a cursory examination, the splinter patients with their lacerated wounds were usually simply put on the grass and dealt with those who had bullets.
                        The feathered mine falls steeply, so more than 90% of all its fragments fly parallel to the ground. An artillery projectile has about 5%. In a dismounted infantry only that flies parallel to the ground. Therefore, despite the smaller number of explosives, each mine is much less humane than an artillery shell, and mortars of 50-120 mm caliber are more massive and have a higher rate of fire than field guns.
                        In WWI, when there were almost no armored personnel carriers, only the German chemical weapons of mass destruction killed more than mortars, until the Russian Empire invented and shared with all gas masks. In WWII it was not widely used, but the saturation of the armies with mortars increased even more, and the Red Army did not have armored personnel carriers, which after the Second World War was recognized as just a "big omission"
                        although it led to disaster in the form of colossal losses among the Russians, for which this war was started.
                        To finish off the Russian gene pool after WWII, the Anirussian revolution and the red terror of the population by non-Russian Trotskyists who were so friendly with the Nazis. As a result, some under-shot of them even sent belatedly received 1000 BTRs not for the infantry, but ... for tractors in artillery.
                        The equipment of the Wehrmacht with armored personnel carriers was never less than 92%, the same unarmored transporter chassis (mainly Arillerian tractors) were in abundance, it was not a problem to re-equip them in an armored personnel carrier if necessary, by hanging an "armored vehicle", the problem, unlike the Americans, was that there was little fuel, and on the tracked transmission there were large losses of power compared to the wheel drive.
  2. Condor-a
    Condor-a 8 December 2015 18: 42
    Start educating what for and why with a small APC:
    SdKfz 250, Sonderkraftfahrzeug 250 - German light [1] half-track armored personnel carrier of the period of the Second World War. It was produced in several versions. Designed to transport half of the infantry squad. Total was released 7326 units of all modifications.
    In 1939, the Inspectorate for Motorized Troops (AHA / In 6) decided that it would be useful for small armored half-tracks to accompany tanks in the attack. They could satisfy requirements for which a larger vehicle wouldn't be needed, such as headquarters, artillery forward observer, radio, and scout vehicles.
    To free up even more of these "larger vehicles" for their STANDARD tasks, as well as to solve the same STANDARD tasks (for which they intended) by ourselves.

    Then do not forget about others, like little ones. so big ...

    For example, the SdKfz4 was a rearguard snowmobile of cross-country ability to put smoke and work as an MLRS covering the withdrawal, and then safely after all roll off from bloodless attacking Red Army soldiers in the attack on German mortars ...
    Mina falls steeply, so more than 90% of all its fragments fly parallel to the ground. An artillery projectile has about 5%.
    In a dismounted infantry only that flies parallel to the ground. Each mine is much less humane than an artillery shell, and mortars are more massive and have a higher rate of fire than field guns.
    Mortar shrapnel wounds are much more difficult to treat. In the Second World War, the first question was "splinter" or not, and there were two turns. After a cursory examination, the splinter patients with their lacerated wounds were usually simply put on the grass and dealt with bullet wounds.
    mortars killed more soldiers in WWII than all other types of weapons taken together, and these were mainly SOVIET LOSS because the infantry in the attack and retreat were unarmored.

    a flag in your hands and a drum around your neck ...

    The Germans had everything taken into account
  3. strannik1985
    strannik1985 8 December 2015 20: 38
    Start educating what for and why with a small APC:
    The first production Sd Kfz 250 began to arrive in units in July-August 1941. According to the staffing table, these armored personnel carriers were sent to communications units, as well as to assault artillery and motorized infantry units (grenadier units).

    The battalion of motorized infantry on armored personnel carriers across the state should have had several dozens of Sd Kfz 250 different options ... the states described above should be considered standard, since in no part was it possible to achieve full saturation of armored personnel carriers until 1942.

    Are you tired of showing your ignorance and obstinacy?
  4. Condor-a
    Condor-a 8 December 2015 23: 53
    What else did the armored hides write there, which in statistics lost more than 700 of them?

    And you decided that transporting infantry to the battlefield was the most priority task of small armored personnel carriers, because it
    Quote: strannik1985
    According to the staffing table, these armored personnel carriers were sent to communications units, as well as to assault artillery and motorized infantry units (grenadier units).

    mentioned in last place?
    there were 10 artillery transporters and others; the Stug was the 252nd transporter

    The Germans had a fuel hunger, they replenished and rotated the panzergrenadiers and transferred equipment by steam locomotives and then even horses after the blitzkrieg failed in the country side. Gasoline and motor oil were spent only on the battlefield.

    To prove that the Sdkfz250 is an "armored personnel carrier designed to transport half of the squad" (wiki), with: crew = 2 + 4,
    or for transportation of an entire compartment STANDARD SdKfz251, crew = 2 + 10,
    they are intended, on the contrary, for anything but just not for transporting half or a whole compartment, this is your "task" ... lol

    Write your attendant already:
    Quote: strannik1985
    That is, there are no sources and most likely there will not be. Q.E.D. I see no point in discussing your "ifs". Thanks.
  5. strannik1985
    strannik1985 9 December 2015 10: 43
    What parts and connections?
    According to the staffing table of KStN 1108 (gp) from February 1941 Sd.Kfz. 250/3 2 units in the battalion management, 4 Sd.Kfz. 250/2 and 250/3 in the communications platoon, 6 Sd.Kfz 250/3 in 3 motorized infantry companies (2 each in the company management), one in the machine-gun company, and one each in the telephone offices, two with the commander of the machine-gun platoon and one with the commander of a mortar platoon, two more in a heavy weapons company, one Sd.Kfz 250/1 in an anti-tank platoon, one Sd.Kfz 250/1 and one Sd.Kfz 250/2 in an artillery platoon. More than two dozen per battalion and no "polishing" of the infantry, there are Sd.Kfz 251 for the transport of motorized infantry (26 units per company).
  6. Condor-a
    Condor-a 9 December 2015 11: 04
    In all...
    Why do you have the whole comment for Sd.Kfz 250 c /, and the last one you jump to Sd.Kfz.251?
    What is written about the purpose of Sd.Kfz.250 in general and about Sd.Kfz.250 / 1 in particular in the Russian Wikipedia?
    And when did he appear in large numbers in 1941?
  7. strannik1985
    strannik1985 9 December 2015 13: 52
    You still do not understand what you read?
    "... intended to transport half of the infantry squad, mainly in reconnaissance units ..."
    According to the staffing table of 1113 (gp) dated 1.11.1941 in the armored reconnaissance company of the Wehrmacht tank division 24 Sd.Kfz 250 / 1,2 Sd.Kfz 250 / 3,2 Sd.Kfz 250 / 7,3 Sd.Kfz 250/8, total 31 armored personnel carriers. This is not an infantry unit, this is reconnaissance, otherwise add to the 17 infantry battalions of the motorized corps three more reconnaissance battalions (in autumn 1941, during the reorganization of the 2nd and 5th tank divisions, reconnaissance battalions were removed from them to form motorcycle battalions of the 22nd and 23rd th TD, so that the divisions were different).
    Got it? Sd.Kfz 250/1 does not apply to pure infantry.
  8. Condor-a
    Condor-a 10 December 2015 00: 14
    Quote: strannik1985
    designed to transport half of the infantry squad

    Quote: strannik1985
    This is not an infantry unit

    No, it’s you who wrote in the first lines of Wikipedia about him in Russian and don’t want to understand English.

    7326 "reconnaissance" 250s against 15252 "line" 251?
    "it's like claiming that a third of the backlash fleet was FW-189
    In reconnaissance units went a completely different technique, mainly wheeled and with guns.
    intelligence is climbing on a sudden rampage, it needs better armor, if possible an amphibious technique and it usually doesn’t need a landing at all.
    250/1 rode in the first line in front of 251/1 along with tanks and self-propelled guns, or guarded, so that if they missed a Russian cannon or drove into a minefield, then a maximum of work weaning was killed or not an entire detachment of infantry.
  9. strannik1985
    strannik1985 10 December 2015 06: 06
    Short memory? The battalions on the Sd.Kfz 250 armored personnel carriers were also, mainly in command units, your "comparison" does not make sense.
    What does this passage have to do with your claim that the German motorized infantry was fully provided with armored personnel carriers?
  10. Condor-a
    Condor-a 10 December 2015 08: 18
    It has the most direct - there is "intelligence" and then "intelligence". And the FW-189 also had weapons laughing The Sd.Kfz 250 had a smaller share of STANDARD "/ 1" than the Sd.Kfz 251, but it was still BASIC, despite the large number of "modifications".
    What do you think was the Wehrmacht armored personnel carrier, 92%?
  11. strannik1985
    strannik1985 10 December 2015 09: 11
    Already wrote, memory is short? What 92%, if there were an average of one company per armored troop division per tank division (at the beginning of the war)? Even according to the state of 1944, there was only one out of four motorized infantry battalion in the armored division of the armored personnel carrier, plus an reconnaissance battalion (56 Sd.Kfz 251,16 b / a Sd.Kfz 234 and 55 Sd.Kfz 250), all in the 290 armored troop division. In tank-grenadier (previously motorized) divisions, battalions on armored personnel carriers were absent. And where is the security at 92%?
  12. Condor-a
    Condor-a 10 December 2015 17: 31
    Already wrote too ... So how much do you think was the availability of armored personnel carriers?
    You even 251 and 250 are not in proportion to the released.
    The entire male population of the Russian Federation 27605 armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles reserve + reserve does not fit,
    the Germans had more than 24500.
  13. strannik1985
    strannik1985 10 December 2015 19: 06
    What did they write? Your arguments without any evidence?
    Count yourself-for 1943 of the 226 motorized infantry battalions of 26 on the APC.
    What proportion? The equipment is sent to units according to the state, I brought it to you, availability over the years, too, what does the proportion have to do with it?

    Do you have an aggravation? What does the entire male population have to do with it?
    Distort not tired? This is a release for 1939-1945 without taking into account losses, for example, on March 1, 1945, the Wehrmacht, the SS troops, the Luftwaffe on all fronts were 6450 Sd.Kfz 251.
  14. Condor-a
    Condor-a 10 December 2015 22: 12
    So how much do you think was the availability of armored personnel carriers?
    And what time is it in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? lol
    It starts ...
  • Dmitry Ukraine
    2 December 2015 21: 43
    If I ever write a continuation of my book, I will dwell in detail on equipping German divisions with armored personnel carriers, since, of course, for their motorized infantry it was, on the one hand, an excellent tool for carrying out maneuver operations without lagging behind my tanks, on the other - protecting personnel during movement in the zone of active fire of the enemy.
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 2 December 2015 22: 35
      Just do not forget to clarify that at best Sd. Kfz. 251 had only one of two battalions of the motorized infantry regiment of the tank division, most had only one company per armored personnel carrier, and three tank divisions did not have them at all. Many people forget that in addition to the tank corps, infantry divisions were included in the motorized corps, for example, the composition of the 3 motorized corps as of June 22 included:
      14 Panzer Division
      44th and 298th infantry divisions
      division of self-propelled guns "Sturmgeshütz"
      battery of 105 mm guns
      heavy howitzer battery
      three divisions 210 mm mortar
      240 mm howitzer battery
      two divisions of 150 mm guns
      regiment of mortar
      two construction battalions
      motorized and equestrian sapper battalions
      tank fighter motorized division
      light anti-aircraft guns division
      The concept of battle groups allowed the use of powerful means of the corps link even if the battle was fought only part of the division, against this background the absence of armored personnel carriers is not a big problem.
      1. Dmitry Ukraine
        3 December 2015 12: 41
        Thanks for the information, Vladimir, I will take it into account. Yes, this topic requires additional study. Another nuance - in the second half of 1942, SS tank divisions of a new formation ("Totenkompf", "Das Reich", "Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler") appeared, the equipment and structure of which differed from the usual units of the Wehrmacht. What can you say about this? Although, if I remember correctly, there were the same internal differences among such divisions (at least, "Great Germany" had a more reinforced composition, including in terms of providing its motorized infantry with armored personnel carriers).
      2. Secta haki
        Secta haki 3 December 2015 16: 29
        The BTR was provided with the entire Wehrmacht and not just the SS assault group.

        Any "modification" of the SdKfz251 easily turns into a standard version. This is not the only half-track armored personnel carrier that Nazi Germany had even before the Polish campaign, in which the Wehrmacht attacked EXACTLY as well - leading its infantry to the line of enemy trenches behind armored personnel carriers through the mortar fire zone, which is the most dangerous for the infantry. The Germans had so many other various light half-track (armor) vehicles that no one distracted the standard armored personnel carriers from the main purpose, nor drove them into the thick of oncoming tank battles (in France or under prokhorovka) where motorized infantry had nothing to do.
    2. Secta haki
      Secta haki 3 December 2015 16: 28
      But again, do not forget to clarify the difference between motorized infantry and tank units. BTRs were absent in the Red Army, and not in the Wehrmacht, and this was the biggest problem. am
  • Dmitry Ukraine
    2 December 2015 21: 18
    I wanted to say that later in the book it will be told that mortar shelling is a very effective means of defeating / deterring advancing (and not only) units. I can’t take and tell in one chapter everything at once. I tried to introduce readers to different types of military equipment and weapons during the course of the book (not all are professionals in this matter, the book is intended for a wide range of readers).
    1. Secta haki
      Secta haki 3 December 2015 17: 02
      Not very effective, but the most effective and deadly (and also in defense), especially for those (Russians) who do not have an armored personnel carrier, behind the armor of which you can sit out while it drives through the mortar shelling zone and mines fall in battle formations around it. So far, in this chapter, these "debris are falling asleep all around", and not tear the body(and not only). A wide circle of warriors knows about this, but doesn’t tell ... They sat on tanks (if they were), clinging to them from all sides and being an easy group target for a machine gun (which you emphasize on the contrary) and other types of small arms, just to pass this zone of mortar fire quickly ...
  • Secta haki
    Secta haki 30 November 2015 16: 32
    ... a machine gun shooting in your direction (bullets do not always hit) can also be heard and even seen, the creative at the expense of a motorcycle sidecar in the trench "pleased".
    1. Dmitry Ukraine
      30 November 2015 17: 02
      What does the "motorcycle sidecar in the trench" have to do with it? I just wanted to say that, if necessary, with the usual German single machine gun of the MG-34 type (later MG-42), one soldier could cope well even without a second number (when overheating, changing the barrel required a few seconds and one hand, without leading to large firing delays). Of course, in an intense battle, without a second person to provide ammunition, it will be difficult for a machine gunner. But the presence of the third number was necessary only for large heavy machine guns.
      1. Secta haki
        Secta haki 1 December 2015 14: 53
        I don’t know, but you wrote like that ... If necessary, I coped with the mortar alone.
        Three cartridges of ammunition were required per German infantry machine gun, because it fired 1200 and not 600 rounds / min like Soviet or even 450 like modern American.
        1. Dmitry Ukraine
          2 December 2015 21: 32
          Honestly, I have not seen in any literature (memoirs of participants in those events, works of historians, etc.) or documents that three people were engaged in servicing one ordinary machine gun (not easel) in the German infantry (although, perhaps, somewhere in 1941, when the German divisions were staffed with 16 thousand each, this was the case). But in the middle of 1942, they could hardly afford such a "luxury". However, if you give me reliable examples of where you got such data, I will carefully study this information and use it in future work.
          1. Secta haki
            Secta haki 3 December 2015 16: 30
            So they read the wrong books. You can’t argue with arithmetic ...
  • Secta haki
    Secta haki 30 November 2015 13: 40
    minus, minus ...
  • moskowit
    moskowit 28 November 2015 09: 46
    "... authorized Headquarters and a member of the Military Council of the Volkhov and Leningrad fronts, General A. I. Zaporozhets ..."

    In the photo, to the right of Kirill Afansvich, the army commissar of the 1 rank is depicted (which is clearly visible by the lapel insignia) A. Zaporozhets He became a lieutenant general only during the recertification of 6.12.42 of the year. And before that, in October of the 1942 of the year he was demoted from the army commissar of the 1 rank to the corps commissar (two steps).

    The article is very interesting. Thanks.
    1. Dmitry Ukraine
      28 November 2015 11: 39
      Good afternoon, Nikolai Ivanovich! Thank you for clarification and feedback. Indeed, during the 1942 year, many characters in my book often changed ranks, tried to correctly indicate them at a specific time of action, but, nevertheless, in this case I missed this point. Thanks again.
    2. moskowit
      moskowit 28 November 2015 15: 55
      Always ready to help. A photograph is a weighty document. See, Dmitry, how she immediately clarified the issue of the title of Zaporozhets. The highest title. It was, at the beginning of the war, assigned to three senior political workers. By the time of the shooting, there were already two of them. Mehlis Lev Zakharovich was already demoted to the corps commissioner. Such a fate awaited our photo hero in October, and before attestation, only Schadenko Efim Afanasevich passed in the army commissars of the 1 rank. Being deputy commissar of defense, during certification he received the rank of colonel general and since 1944 of the year he has not held any posts in the Red Army.
      1. Dmitry Ukraine
        28 November 2015 20: 24
        Once again, thank you for clarifying, all the more so, such a detailed one. Very interesting.
  • Alex
    Alex 28 November 2015 09: 56
    Dmitry, I read with interest the next chapter of your work, thank you, it was, as always, interesting. hi
    1. Dmitry Ukraine
      28 November 2015 11: 40
      Blackodar, Alexander! hi Wait next week to continue.
  • bionik
    bionik 28 November 2015 10: 05
    Focke-Wulf 189
    1. Dmitry Ukraine
      28 November 2015 12: 34
      Thank you, Vladislav - a good movie.
      1. bionik
        bionik 28 November 2015 12: 36
  • Snob
    Snob 28 November 2015 10: 14
    Eternal glory to the heroes, we must not forget the exploits of our grandfathers!
    1. Dmitry Ukraine
      28 November 2015 12: 37
      I completely agree with you, Nikolai. Moreover, we still do not know about all their exploits.
  • Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 28 November 2015 10: 50
    Thank you, we are waiting for the continuation.
    1. Dmitry Ukraine
      28 November 2015 11: 41
      Most likely next weekend hi
  • nnz226
    nnz226 30 November 2015 12: 02
    In 1942, the presence of PPSh among the penalties was unlikely. The artillery could not suppress all the detected German firing points during reconnaissance in battle for a simple reason: the lack of sufficient ammunition. Meretskov himself writes about this in his memoirs, explaining the failure of the described operation mainly by two factors: 1) intelligence and command slammed (Meretskov’s fault) the arrival of Manstein’s army near Leningrad. 2) A small number of shells, when the Germans bombarded the attacking infantry with iron and explosives in August 1942, the Soviet artillery experienced a terrible shortage of shells, being unable to support the advancing units, dispersing the firing points of the Germans, or to engage in counter-battery combat.
    1. Dmitry Ukraine
      30 November 2015 16: 47
      I agree, perhaps the PCA of one of the characters does not look entirely believable. On the other hand, as will be described later in the book, this former colonel is in close friendly relations with the commander of the penalty battalion, his former colleague in the wars that have been waged together. Therefore, I think we can admit such a fact. As for the reasons for the ultimate failure of the breakthrough of the siege of Leningrad in August-September of the 1942 of the year - this, as I can, I reveal throughout the book. However, looking ahead, it is worth noting that although the task of breaking the blockade was not solved at that time, the German plans to capture the city were already completely destroyed, which ultimately led to the breaking of the blockade six months after the events described .