The upgraded Mi-28H will get a lightweight and more advanced onboard electronics

The weight of the onboard radio-electronic complex of the Night Hunter helicopter upgraded to the Mi-28HM variant will be less than that of its predecessor, reports MIC With reference to the general director of Ramensk instrument-making design bureau (included in KRET) Daniil Brenerman.

“We have achieved a reduction in the mass-dimensional characteristics of on-board radio-electronic equipment, as well as the addition of a target-tracking system to the system,” the general director said.

According to him, state tests of the modernized machine should be completed in 2016. The updated version will differ significantly from the base model.

“In particular, the Mi-28HM will receive a fundamentally new locator, which will provide the helicopter with a circular view, as well as a new control system. The new blades of the main rotor will increase the speed of the helicopter - now the Night Hunter can accelerate to 340 km / h, and the modification will improve this figure by 10 percent, ”explained Brenerman.

Help "MIC": “RPKB is the lead developer of avionics within the KRET concern and supplies on-board radio electronics for almost all combat aircraft and helicopters aviation. About 60 percent of the volume of production falls on the state defense order. ”

Comments

[Magic archer]

The main thing is that this modernization should be in the army! For the first time I read about a modernized helicopter in the beautiful edition Arms of Russia in the year of commercials 99m. As a result, the Night Hunter with a sub-gun radar never appeared in the army ....

[vkl-47]

I’m sitting now in RPKB and reading. Here and our KB has excelled) in general, we also make electronics for the t-30 on the Su-50 of various modifications. And RPZ also helps us

[max702]

It looks like this song will go on forever (about the radar) .. As for the speed, it turns out that with new blades it will develop 374 km / h? 340 + 10% = 374 .. Did you lie?
rs: But there was an excellent helicopter with everything necessary, the tests confirmed all the characteristics, and in comparative tests the MI-28 was leaked to him in all disciplines ... But alas, a loafing resource, and greed for public money is more important than the benefit of the homeland ... ate "Black Shark" ..

[Taranchello]

I agree that the Ka-52 will have better characteristics, but it costs almost twice as much

[Falcon]

Quote: max702

But there was an excellent helicopter with everything necessary, the tests confirmed all the characteristics, and in comparative tests the MI-28 was poured into it in all disciplines ... But alas, a loaf resource, and greed for public money is more important than the benefit of the homeland .. So they ate " Black shark "..

Not so clear.
Firstly, we have a lot of Mi-24. Pilots with the Mi-24 are easier to retrain on the Mi-28 - succession high costs are minimal.

Secondly, no one has canceled the possibility of lacing the rotors on the Ka-50

In the third avionics ka-50 was not allowed to work at night. And even more so with modern complexes of aiming alone in any way. And the very concept of one pilot in an attack helicopter does not stand up. Since there is direct contact with ground forces. From this point of view, the Mi-28 is much safer.

Fourth, a helicopter is not a fighter. His flight data does not define superiority unambiguously.

Quote: tomket

The problems of the radar lay in the developers' flaws. The vibrations from the screw prevented it from functioning properly. And if on the "allikator" this problem was solved by placing it in the nose of the helicopter, then there was no place on the mi-28. here's the delays with the radar ...

What prevents you from making your nose under the radar on the Mi-28?

The radar does not occupy the whole place there, it is much narrower.

Yes, and the sighting system can also be re-arranged

And everything with the Mi-28 can look like Ka and the Ka-52.

Here are just supra-muzzle radar allows you to survey in 360 degrees. What is much more important for a helicopter!

And it helps to hide the car behind an obstacle, and search for goals. What also can not be done with the nose radar.

On the Ka-52, this "problem" was not solved, it was bypassed by lowering the capabilities.

Yes, and the Iraqi Air Force fly on the Mi-28 with installed sub-muzzle radars - already in serial

[max702]

Quote: Falcon

Not so clear.
Firstly, we have a lot of Mi-24. Pilots with the Mi-24 are easier to retrain on the Mi-28 - succession high costs are minimal.

Please read this article .. KA-50 tests in Chechnya http://otvaga2004.ru/boyevoe-primenenie/boyevoye-primeneniye04/chernaya-akula-na
-trope-vojny /
everything is well told there about the complexity of retraining, and about piloting one pilot and much more ..

Quote: Falcon

Secondly, no one has canceled the possibility of lacing the rotors on the Ka-50

Yes, it’s possible. But with such pilot angles that are strictly prohibited by instructions, you say that there are no such problems on MI .. of course! But in MI it is physically incapable of reaching these angles of piloting and will lose control much earlier! So this is a far-fetched problem, and it was on early helicopter samples, later the distance between the screws was increased and its (problem) was minimized ..

Quote: Falcon

In the third avionics ka-50 was not allowed to work at night. And even more so with modern complexes of aiming alone in any way. And the very concept of one pilot in an attack helicopter does not stand up. Since there is direct contact with ground forces. From this point of view, the Mi-28 is much safer.

Alas, MI-28 cannot work at night! This is what the article is about! What is there for those supplied to Iraq is unknown, maybe some kind of import system, and most likely an empty ball .. and promises to deliver the system when it is "finished" (something is not heard about MI-28 night operations in Iraq) The concept of one pilot is great passed the test in the 80s (fools did not sit in the USSR Ministry of Defense) and even more so with the current electronics! It’s just that the Millers couldn’t create an attack vehicle with one pilot, and fearing to lose the title of court supplier of land forces (and take off a LOT of money), they ate the Kamovites ..
can see this film to broaden your horizons

[Falcon]

Quote: max702

Please read this article .. KA-50 tests in Chechnya

I know her, and your films. Not about that at all. The article was written by reporters.

Quote: max702

But in MI it is physically incapable of reaching these piloting angles and will lose control much earlier!

What a stupid thing. What are the pilot angles?

Quote: max702

Alas, MI-28 cannot work at night!

Mi-28 is not, but Mi-28Н can.

Quote: max702

Milevtsi simply could not create an impact machine with one pilot

Damn, once again this nonsense is quoted. Some journalist who had no idea about aviation said stupidity and it started ...

Mi - the second is not a pilot but an operator of weapons. Those. No one except Kamov was able to create an impact machine with one pilot, even after 20 years?

those. UAVs autonomously refueling in the air could do,

and no single helicopter?

And you try not to watch movies, to fly around the terrain, to evade RPGs / MANPADS and still aim at ground targets.



All percussionists do with the pilot and weapons operator. Even planes where you do not need to evade RPGs and fly at a height of several meters.


Although a fully autonomous UAV that can take off and land without the participation of an operator can be created,

where is the helicopter?

[Falcon]

Quote: max702

It’s not known what’s in Iraq’s supplies, maybe some kind of import system, but most likely an empty ball ..

Right! Only KRET did not know when it announced the supply of helicopters from the radar to Iraq.
Most likely a ball! All the same, Iraqis do not understand a damn thing - let them think of the radar.

Here it was necessary for them what to sell

And to say - yes he will grow up will look like Mi-28

Or maybe northrop grumman fraternally gave Milevtsy to install their radar

Quote: max702

The concept of one pilot perfectly passed the test in the 80 years (fools did not sit in the USSR Ministry of Defense) and even more so with current electronics!

When and where was the single-pilot attack helicopter concept tested? They are not fools, therefore they did not look at the "cool tricks" of the Ka-50 aerobatics, but chose the drummer's scheme, justified throughout the world.

[max702]

All this is certainly good, but why then this article about the planned development of the station for MI-28? If we delivered helicopters to Iraq with a beautiful station, WHY do we not have it? But only development plans? What religion or party precepts do not allow us to use what we deliver to others? Or maybe everything is much simpler? There is no overhead radar there, and the Iraqis, as we are waiting for (discard at least some confirmation of the night use of these machines in Iraq) Yes, no one except Kamovtsev was able to solve the problem of one pilot, like many other things that our defense industry created, nobody could repeat in the world. About And you try not to watch movies, to fly around the terrain, to evade RPGs / MANPADS and still aim at ground targets. If you watched a movie, then the pilot piloting the KA-50 was just talking about the simplicity of piloting and the ability to simultaneously engage in fire damage, how does the helicopter work for us? Basically NURS and who should let them in. The pilot bringing the car to the target or the operator must catch the moment when the target coincides with the sight and try not to miss this moment, in the same way, working with the gun, the pilot brought the car to the target and gave the command to defeat (by the way, Ka-50, when compared with MI-28, the accuracy parameter is 4.6 times higher, proven in tests) how the operator will control the gun in motion is a riddle, the only possible operator's work is aiming a controlled weapon .. But think about how often it is used in real life? God forbid 2-3% of all combat work, and at the same time, the pilots who used URs with the KA-50 did not see any difficulties in this, and I will remind you of this at least 20 years ago! Yes, now there are problems with the production of UR "Whirlwind", which were originally planned for this machine, but this is the problem of our effective managers who have failed in technology and production, and according to the latest data, this problem is being solved .. And what is the result? Was the KA-50 more sophisticated than the MI-28? YES! Is the combat effectiveness higher? Proven by tests that again, yes! In the end, it is much cheaper than the MI-28 (this is only later, after the mythical demand for two pilots, the KA-52 began to cost more than the MI-28, and then doubts are raised especially if the radar station is finished and installed). Why, then, did they not accept this wonderful machine for MASS weapons? The answer is simple MIl's lobbying resource and undercover games associated with this (huge money, if simpler), and not such projects ruined, remember the story with "Sotka" when a finished car with unique characteristics of ready-made production was cut down and began to develop and produce technical specifications -160 which, years later, only approached the indicators of "weaving". So, nothing is new under the moon, and the merits of a particular technique do not always have a decisive factor.

[Falcon]

Quote: max702

All this is certainly good, but why then this article about the planned development of the station for MI-28?

She's not about that, she's about updated electronics. On VO once a day there are such articles over which knowledgeable people can only neighing ...

Quote: max702

But only development plans? What religion or party precepts do not allow us to use what we deliver to others? Or maybe everything is much simpler?

Much easier. Acceptance system from a number of state tests; in Iraq, the acceptance system is simpler. The station did not graduate from all GSI according to the standards of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, but this does not mean that it does not exist.

Quote: max702

if you would have watched a film, then the pilot piloting the KA-50 just spoke about the simplicity of piloting and the possibility of simultaneously firing a fire, how does a helicopter work for us? Mostly Nurses and who should let them

You are completely wrong. And then NURSY, do you have a goal that is always in front of you?
The helicopter has an aiming system - the operator of which carries out "IN MANUAL" constant search and selection of targets. (We have no tips as in the EOTS F-35!)
The bombers / drums cockpit is built on the same principle.

Look - I think it’s immediately clear where the pilot is, where the operator

And on the ka-50, the pilot needs to constantly look at the LTPS screen. And there is nothing original and not achievable for competitors. Just plow for two.

If you still don’t understand, then try to drive while watching a movie on your phone continuously ...

Not for nothing Turks are not fools. On their tender requested Ka-50 with two pilots

Quote: max702

Yes, nobody except Kamovtsev was able to solve the problem of one pilot, like many other things that our military-industrial complex created, nobody could repeat in the world

LLC, what a nightmare. Don’t upset me like that, don’t have to slip into phrases of cheer-patriotism and have no tax in the world! Please do not - already this is full on the site ...

those. They can create UAVs that completely autonomously take off, seek and select targets, hit and return home. At the same time, TOTALLY NOT CONNECTING A BASE! AT ALL !!

And three times a simpler helicopter - no (there is no tax in the world)

[user1212]

Quote: Magic Archer

This is the first time I read about a modernized helicopter in the beautiful edition Arms of Russia in the year 99m

The helicopter pilots are ready for a long time, but in the 2009 year, when they adopted Mi28Н, the radar itself was still under development. It is already years 10 can not finish

[Magic archer]

it turns out that it’s not 10 but at least 16! The first mention of the fact that we created the Longbow analogue was at the end of 90x! And then it was stated that a missile would be created for the complex (shot-forgot) that is, it is not necessary to highlight the target. But now there

[tomket]

Quote: Magic Archer

But things are still there

Cart and now there at Milevtsev. Kamovtsev is all right.

[Magic archer]

Do we have a rocket analogue to Hellfire with a homing head ?! Something I do not recall

[tomket]

Quote: user1212

The helicopter pilots are ready for a long time, but in the 2009 year, when they adopted Mi28Н, the radar itself was still under development. It is already years 10 can not finish

The problems of the radar lay in the developers' flaws. The vibrations from the screw prevented it from functioning properly. And if on the "allikator" this problem was solved by placing it in the nose of the helicopter, then there was no place on the mi-28. here's the delays with the radar ...

[Manul]

Quote: Magic Archer

This is the first time I read about a modernized helicopter in the beautiful edition Arms of Russia in the year 99m

And I do not seem to remember a year at "Technology of Youth", maybe even earlier. Of course we are waiting for a very long time. As soon as possible, they would become as popular as the legendary Mi-24s, in Syria, at least.
Handsome!

[a.hamster55]

Well, finally got! And then already sick of powerful transistors on radiators! Go ahead guys - we will succeed!

[sa-ag]

Quote: a.hamster55

And then already sick of powerful transistors on radiators!

Well, you won’t get anywhere from them :-) For the transistor is the basis of microelectronics

[cniza]

Quote: a.hamster55

Well, finally got! And then already sick of powerful transistors on radiators! Go ahead guys - we will succeed!

Everything is fine, but I just want to say it, but not enough. And when you remember what happened 10 years ago, you see what a breakthrough was made to please us and on the mountain of adversaries.

[Midshipman]

The "power transistor on the heatsink" has only one alternative - a powerful vacuum tube. So, I do not envy you))

[dmi.pris1]

About the locator, the news pleased, otherwise it was just a dummy on the first copies ..

[Tatyana]

Always SUCCESSFUL workers of the Russian defense industry!

[ivan bogomolov]

BEAUTIFUL, well, nothing to say ....

[Alexey-74]

Finally ..... quickly in his troops, judging by all these machines, enough work.

[Zomanus]

Good news. And KRET seems to be soon the most important enterprise in the military-industrial complex.
And not just the military-industrial complex. And it pleases.

[Wild_grey_wolf]

That's what life-giving sanctions do. . . we’ll tighten the element base soon, to raise the production of household appliances to a high level. And the defense industry benefits the following developments.

[Whatabout]

Whoever saw the electronics blocks of this helicopter only smiles slightly about such news :-)

[MT266]

a cool improvement, if there were more of such developments, helicopters are the striking force and they should be the best of all, the more modern military operations require the highest skill from pilots, and equipment should help in this!

[MT266]

and the gun could be hidden in a streamlined body, the speed will increase and protection

[Manul]

Quote: MT266

and the gun could be hidden in a streamlined body, the speed will increase and protection

And hide the screws in a trellised screen, like a fan, to protect from damage. And then there’s a mess - they’re bare some ..

[AlNikolaich]

If true, then very good! I believe that now KRET is not just developing electronics,
how many unification blocks for airplanes, helicopters, and other equipment ... It is necessary, it is logical, and
will lead to mass production and lower costs ...

[Zaurbek]

When there was news about the transition of our electronics to 90nm technology and below, now everyone understands what it then pops up

[dvg79]

I’ll believe it when they’ll run it in Syria, otherwise this tale about a white bull lasts for a year.

[Avis24]

Oh guys! The helicopter is good (when everything works). But would you know in what condition the first parties received, cried b. The situation is improving, but not as fast as needed. Therefore, they are not in Syria now.

[GOgaRu]

These are the devices needed in Syria to directly support the infantry. I don't know what our people think ?! Such a machine can dominate the battlefield, in contrast to the "crocodile", which fired and flowed.

[Terrible_L.]

Quote: vkl-47

I’m sitting now in RPKB and reading. here and our kb excelled) in general, we also make electronics for the t-30 on the Su-50 of various modifications. And RPZ also helps us

You work, work, do not get distracted! Enough commentators here))