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The upgraded Mi-28H will get a lightweight and more advanced onboard electronics

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The weight of the onboard radio-electronic complex of the Night Hunter helicopter upgraded to the Mi-28HM variant will be less than that of its predecessor, reports MIC With reference to the general director of Ramensk instrument-making design bureau (included in KRET) Daniil Brenerman.




“We have achieved a reduction in the mass-dimensional characteristics of on-board radio-electronic equipment, as well as the addition of a target-tracking system to the system,” the general director said.

According to him, state tests of the modernized machine should be completed in 2016. The updated version will differ significantly from the base model.

“In particular, the Mi-28HM will receive a fundamentally new locator, which will provide the helicopter with a circular view, as well as a new control system. The new blades of the main rotor will increase the speed of the helicopter - now the Night Hunter can accelerate to 340 km / h, and the modification will improve this figure by 10 percent, ”explained Brenerman.

Help "MIC": “RPKB is the lead developer of avionics within the KRET concern and supplies on-board radio electronics for almost all combat aircraft and helicopters aviation. About 60 percent of the volume of production falls on the state defense order. ”
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  1. Magic archer
    Magic archer 18 November 2015 08: 29 New
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    The main thing is that this modernization should be in the army! For the first time I read about a modernized helicopter in the beautiful edition Arms of Russia in the year of commercials 99m. As a result, the Night Hunter with a sub-gun radar never appeared in the army ....
    1. vkl-47
      vkl-47 18 November 2015 08: 46 New
      +8
      I’m sitting now in RPKB and reading. Here and our KB has excelled) wink in general, we also make electronics for the t-30 on the Su-50 of various modifications. And RPZ also helps us
      1. max702
        max702 18 November 2015 10: 04 New
        +5
        It looks like this song will go on forever (about the radar) .. As for the speed, it turns out that with new blades it will develop 374 km / h? 340 + 10% = 374 .. Did you lie?
        RS: But there was an excellent helicopter with everything necessary, all the tests were confirmed, and in comparative tests the MI-28 was leaked to him in all disciplines ... But alas, a lobbyist resource and greed for state money are more important than the good of the motherland .. That's ate the Black Shark ..
        1. Taranchello
          Taranchello 18 November 2015 10: 28 New
          +2
          I agree that the Ka-52 will have better characteristics, but it costs almost twice as much
        2. Falcon
          Falcon 18 November 2015 11: 25 New
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          Quote: max702
          But there was an excellent helicopter with everything necessary, all the tests were confirmed, and in the comparative tests MI-28 was leaked to him in all disciplines ... But alas, the lobbyist resource and greed for state money are more important for the homeland’s benefit. Black Shark "..


          Not so clear.
          Firstly, we have a lot of Mi-24. Pilots with the Mi-24 are easier to retrain on the Mi-28 - succession high costs are minimal.

          Secondly, no one has canceled the possibility of lacing the rotors on the Ka-50

          In the third avionics ka-50 was not allowed to work at night. And even more so with modern complexes of aiming alone in any way. And the very concept of one pilot in an attack helicopter does not stand up. Since there is direct contact with ground forces. From this point of view, the Mi-28 is much safer.

          Fourth, a helicopter is not a fighter. His flight data does not define superiority unambiguously.

          Quote: tomket
          The problems of the radar were just covered in the flaws of the developers. Vibration from the screw did not allow it to function normally. And if on the “alligator” this problem was solved by placing it in the nose of the helicopter, then there was no place on the Mi-28. here you have the delays with the radar ....


          What prevents you from making your nose under the radar on the Mi-28?

          The radar does not occupy the whole place there, it is much narrower.



          Yes, and the sighting system can also be re-arranged



          And everything with the Mi-28 can look like Ka and the Ka-52.

          Here are just supra-muzzle radar allows you to survey in 360 degrees. What is much more important for a helicopter!

          And it helps to hide the car behind an obstacle, and search for goals. What also can not be done with the nose radar.

          At Ka-52 they did not solve this "problem", they circumvented it by lowering the capabilities.

          Yes, and the Iraqi Air Force fly on the Mi-28 with installed sub-muzzle radars - already in serial

          1. max702
            max702 18 November 2015 12: 39 New
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            Quote: Falcon
            Not so clear.
            Firstly, we have a lot of Mi-24. Pilots with the Mi-24 are easier to retrain on the Mi-28 - succession high costs are minimal.

            Please read this article .. KA-50 tests in Chechnya http://otvaga2004.ru/boyevoe-primenenie/boyevoye-primeneniye04/chernaya-akula-na
            -trope-vojny /
            everything is well told there about the complexity of retraining, and about piloting one pilot and much more ..
            Quote: Falcon
            Secondly, no one has canceled the possibility of lacing the rotors on the Ka-50

            Yes, it’s possible. But with such pilot angles that are strictly prohibited by instructions, you say that there are no such problems on MI .. of course! But in MI it is physically incapable of reaching these angles of piloting and will lose control much earlier! So this is a far-fetched problem, and it was on early helicopter samples, later the distance between the screws was increased and its (problem) was minimized ..
            Quote: Falcon
            In the third avionics ka-50 was not allowed to work at night. And even more so with modern complexes of aiming alone in any way. And the very concept of one pilot in an attack helicopter does not stand up. Since there is direct contact with ground forces. From this point of view, the Mi-28 is much safer.

            Alas, the MI-28 cannot work at night! This is what the article is about! It’s not known what is there in Iraq, maybe some kind of import system, but most likely an empty ball .. and promises to put the system when it is “finished” (something is not heard about the night operations of MI-28 in Iraq) The concept of one pilot is fine passed the test in the 80s (there were no fools in the USSR Ministry of Defense) and even more so with current electronics! Milevtsy simply could not create an attack machine with one pilot, and being afraid of losing the title of court supplier of ground forces (and take off BIG money) gobbled up Kamovtsev ..
            can see this film to broaden your horizons
            1. Falcon
              Falcon 18 November 2015 13: 01 New
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              Quote: max702
              Please read this article .. KA-50 tests in Chechnya


              I know her, and your films. Not about that at all. The article was written by reporters.

              Quote: max702
              But in MI it is physically incapable of reaching these piloting angles and will lose control much earlier!


              What a stupid thing. What are the pilot angles?


              Quote: max702
              Alas, MI-28 cannot work at night!


              Mi-28 is not, but Mi-28Н can.

              Quote: max702
              Milevtsi simply could not create an impact machine with one pilot


              Damn, once again this nonsense is quoted. Some journalist who had no idea about aviation said stupidity and it started ...

              Mi - the second is not a pilot but an operator of weapons. Those. No one except Kamov was able to create an impact machine with one pilot, even after 20 years?

              those. UAVs autonomously refueling in the air could do,



              and no single helicopter?



              And you try not to watch movies, to fly around the terrain, to evade RPGs / MANPADS and still aim at ground targets.



              All percussionists do with the pilot and weapons operator. Even planes where you do not need to evade RPGs and fly at a height of several meters.


              Although a fully autonomous UAV that can take off and land without the participation of an operator can be created,

              where is the helicopter?
            2. Falcon
              Falcon 18 November 2015 13: 14 New
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              Quote: max702
              It’s not known what’s in Iraq’s supplies, maybe some kind of import system, but most likely an empty ball ..


              Right! Only KRET did not know when it announced the supply of helicopters from the radar to Iraq.
              Most likely a ball! All the same, Iraqis do not understand a damn thing - let them think of the radar.

              Here it was necessary for them what to sell



              And to say - yes he will grow up will look like Mi-28 fellow

              Or maybe northrop grumman fraternally gave Milevtsy to install their radar



              Quote: max702
              The concept of one pilot perfectly passed the test in the 80 years (fools did not sit in the USSR Ministry of Defense) and even more so with current electronics!


              When and where was the concept of a single-pilot attack helicopter tested? Not fools, therefore, did not look at the "cool chips" of the Ka-50 aerobatics, but chose the drummer scheme justified throughout the world.
              1. max702
                max702 18 November 2015 21: 07 New
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                All this is certainly good, but why then this article about the planned development of the station for MI-28? If we delivered helicopters to Iraq with a beautiful station, WHY do we not have it? But only development plans? What religion or party precepts do not allow us to use what we deliver to others? Or maybe everything is much simpler? There is no overhead radar there, and the Iraqis, as we are waiting for (discard at least some confirmation of the night use of these machines in Iraq) Yes, no one except Kamovtsev was able to solve the problem of one pilot, like many other things that our defense industry created, nobody could repeat in the world. About And you try not to watch movies, to fly around the terrain, to evade RPGs / MANPADS and still aim at ground targets. if you would have watched a movie, then the pilot pilot KA-50 just talked about the simplicity of piloting and the possibility of simultaneously conducting a fire strike, how does a helicopter work for us? Basically NURSami and who should let them in. The pilot taking the car to the target or the operator should seize the moment when the target coincides with the sight and try not to miss this moment, just like working with the gun the pilot brought the car to the target and gave the command to defeat (by the way when compared to MI-50, the accuracy parameter is 28 times higher than in the tests), how will the operator control the cannon in the movement of a riddle, the only possible work of the operator is aiming guided weapons .. But guess how often is it used in real life? God forbid, 4.6-2% of all combat work, and while the pilots using the URAs with the KA-3, did not see any difficulties in this, and I recall this at least 50 years ago! Yes, now there are problems with the production of UR "Whirlwind" that were originally planned for this machine, but this is the problem of our effective managers who have lost track of technology and production, and according to the latest data this problem is being solved .. And what is the result? Was the KA-20 a more advanced machine than the MI-50? YES! Is combat effectiveness higher? It is proved by tests that again yes! In the end, it is much cheaper than the MI-28 (only later, after the mythical demand for two pilots, the KA-28 began to cost more than the MI-52, and then doubts are taken especially if the radars are finished and delivered). Why then didn’t they accept this beautiful machine for MASS weapons? The answer is simple Mile’s lobbying resource and undercover games associated with it (huge money if simpler), and not such projects were ruined, we recall the story of “Sotka” when the finished car with unique characteristics of the finished production was hacked down and started to develop and produce TU from scratch -28 which, after years, only approached the performance of the "hundred". So nothing is new under the moon, and the merits of a particular technique do not always have a decisive factor ..
                1. Falcon
                  Falcon 18 November 2015 21: 50 New
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                  Quote: max702
                  All this is certainly good, but why then this article about the planned development of the station for MI-28?


                  She's not about that, she's about updated electronics. On VO once a day there are such articles over which knowledgeable people can only neighing ...

                  Quote: max702
                  But only development plans? What religion or party precepts do not allow us to use what we deliver to others? Or maybe everything is much simpler?


                  Much easier. Acceptance system from a number of state tests; in Iraq, the acceptance system is simpler. The station did not graduate from all GSI according to the standards of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, but this does not mean that it does not exist.

                  Quote: max702
                  if you would have watched a film, then the pilot piloting the KA-50 just spoke about the simplicity of piloting and the possibility of simultaneously firing a fire, how does a helicopter work for us? Mostly Nurses and who should let them


                  You are completely wrong. And then NURSY, do you have a goal that is always in front of you?
                  There is an aiming system on the helicopter - the operator of which carries out “MANUAL” constant search and selection of targets. (We don’t have any hints as in EOTS F-35!)
                  The bombers / drums cockpit is built on the same principle.

                  Look - I think it’s immediately clear where the pilot is, where the operator



                  And on the ka-50, the pilot needs to constantly look at the LTPS screen. And there is nothing original and not achievable for competitors. Just plow for two.



                  If you still don’t understand, then try to drive while watching a movie on your phone continuously ...

                  Not for nothing Turks are not fools. On their tender requested Ka-50 with two pilots



                  Quote: max702
                  Yes, nobody except Kamovtsev was able to solve the problem of one pilot, like many other things that our military-industrial complex created, nobody could repeat in the world


                  LLC, what a nightmare. Don’t upset me like that, don’t have to slip into phrases of cheer-patriotism and have no tax in the world! Please do not - already this is full on the site ...

                  those. They can create UAVs that completely autonomously take off, seek and select targets, hit and return home. At the same time, TOTALLY NOT CONNECTING A BASE! AT ALL !!



                  And three times a simpler helicopter - no (there is no tax in the world)
    2. user1212
      user1212 18 November 2015 09: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: Magic Archer
      This is the first time I read about a modernized helicopter in the beautiful edition Arms of Russia in the year 99m

      The helicopter pilots are ready for a long time, but in the 2009 year, when they adopted Mi28Н, the radar itself was still under development. It is already years 10 can not finish
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 18 November 2015 09: 52 New
        +2
        it turns out that it’s not 10 but at least 16! The first mention of the fact that we created the Longbow analogue was at the end of 90x! And then it was stated that a missile would be created for the complex (shot-forgot) that is, it is not necessary to highlight the target. But now there request
        1. tomket
          tomket 18 November 2015 10: 57 New
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          Quote: Magic Archer
          But things are still there

          Cart and now there at Milevtsev. Kamovtsev is all right.
          1. Magic archer
            Magic archer 18 November 2015 11: 45 New
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            Do we have a rocket analogue to Hellfire with a homing head ?! Something I do not recall
      2. tomket
        tomket 18 November 2015 10: 56 New
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        Quote: user1212
        The helicopter pilots are ready for a long time, but in the 2009 year, when they adopted Mi28Н, the radar itself was still under development. It is already years 10 can not finish

        The problems of the radar were just covered in the flaws of the developers. Vibration from the screw did not allow it to function normally. And if on the “alligator” this problem was solved by placing it in the nose of the helicopter, then there was no place on the Mi-28. here you have the delays with the radar ....
    3. Manul
      Manul 18 November 2015 12: 16 New
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      Quote: Magic Archer
      This is the first time I read about a modernized helicopter in the beautiful edition Arms of Russia in the year 99m

      And I, in the Technique of Youth, it seems, I don’t remember a year, maybe even earlier. We are waiting for a long time, of course. They would soon become as demanded as the legendary Mi-24. In Syria, the same at least.
      Handsome!
  2. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 18 November 2015 08: 29 New
    +2
    Well, finally got! And then already sick of powerful transistors on radiators! Go ahead guys - we will succeed!
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 18 November 2015 08: 38 New
      +5
      Quote: a.hamster55
      And then already sick of powerful transistors on radiators!

      Well, you won’t get anywhere from them :-) For the transistor is the basis of microelectronics
    2. cniza
      cniza 18 November 2015 08: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: a.hamster55
      Well, finally got! And then already sick of powerful transistors on radiators! Go ahead guys - we will succeed!



      Everything is fine, but I just want to say it, but not enough. And when you remember what happened 10 years ago, you see what a breakthrough was made to please us and on the mountain of adversaries.
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    4. Midshipman
      Midshipman 18 November 2015 09: 54 New
      +3
      The “high power radiator transistor” has only one alternative - a powerful vacuum lamp. So, I do not envy you))
  3. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 18 November 2015 08: 30 New
    +4
    About the locator, the news pleased, otherwise it was just a dummy on the first copies ..
  4. Tatyana
    Tatyana 18 November 2015 08: 30 New
    +5
    Always SUCCESSFUL workers of the Russian defense industry!
  5. ivan bogomolov
    ivan bogomolov 18 November 2015 08: 31 New
    +3
    BEAUTIFUL, well, nothing to say .... good
  6. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 18 November 2015 08: 36 New
    +3
    Finally ..... quickly in his troops, judging by all these machines, enough work.
  7. Zomanus
    Zomanus 18 November 2015 08: 36 New
    +4
    Good news. And KRET seems to be soon the most important enterprise in the military-industrial complex.
    And not just the military-industrial complex. And it pleases.
    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 18 November 2015 08: 41 New
      +6
      That's what life-giving sanctions do. . . we’ll tighten the element base soon, to raise the production of household appliances to a high level. And the defense industry benefits the following developments.
  8. Whatabout
    Whatabout 18 November 2015 08: 45 New
    +2
    Whoever saw the electronics blocks of this helicopter only smiles slightly about such news :-)
  9. MT266
    MT266 18 November 2015 09: 02 New
    +1
    a cool improvement, if there were more of such developments, helicopters are the striking force and they should be the best of all, the more modern military operations require the highest skill from pilots, and equipment should help in this!
  10. MT266
    MT266 18 November 2015 09: 04 New
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    and the gun could be hidden in a streamlined body, the speed will increase and protection
    1. Manul
      Manul 18 November 2015 12: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: MT266
      and the gun could be hidden in a streamlined body, the speed will increase and protection

      And hide the screws in a trellised screen, like a fan, to protect from damage. And then there’s a mess - they’re bare some ..
  11. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 18 November 2015 09: 28 New
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    If true, then very good! I believe that now KRET is not just developing electronics,
    how many unification blocks for airplanes, helicopters, and other equipment ... It is necessary, it is logical, and
    will lead to mass production and lower costs ...
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 November 2015 10: 07 New
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    When there was news about the transition of our electronics to 90nm technology and below, now everyone understands what it then pops up
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  14. dvg79
    dvg79 18 November 2015 10: 29 New
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    I’ll believe it when they’ll run it in Syria, otherwise this tale about a white bull lasts for a year.
  15. Avis24
    Avis24 18 November 2015 11: 34 New
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    Oh guys! The helicopter is good (when everything works). But would you know in what condition the first parties received, cried b. The situation is improving, but not as fast as needed. Therefore, they are not in Syria now.
  16. GOgaRu
    GOgaRu 18 November 2015 12: 28 New
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    These devices are needed in Syria to directly support the infantry. I don’t know what ours think ?! Such a machine can dominate the battlefield, in contrast to the "crocodile", which shot and flow.
  17. Terrible_L.
    Terrible_L. 18 November 2015 17: 14 New
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    Quote: vkl-47
    I’m sitting now in RPKB and reading. here and our kb excelled) wink in general, we also make electronics for the t-30 on the Su-50 of various modifications. And RPZ also helps us

    You work, work, do not get distracted! wink Enough commentators here))