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Mortar "Gall" will be upgraded

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In the Petrel Research Institute (part of Uralvagonzavod), the Central Research Institute decided to modernize the silent Gall mortar, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to the press service of the corporation.




"It is planned to introduce a modernized base plate, carrying equipment and other activities," one of the developers explained briefly weapons.

Help "RG": "2B25" Gall "- 82-millimeter silent mortar, made in Russia and presented in Belarus in 2011 year. The mortar mass is 13 kilograms, the rate of fire is 15 shots per minute, and the firing range is up to 1200 meters. The mortar is made in such a way that the powder gases are locked in the shank of the mine. Due to this, no flame, smoke or shock wave is created. The loudness of the Galla shot is compared to a Kalashnikov automatic rifle with a silencer. ” From the mortar you can fire in any weather and on any soil.

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  1. nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 16 November 2015 18: 29 New
    11
    Never before had I heard of such a gorgeous thing. Pocket artillery, as I look, does not stand still good
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 16 November 2015 18: 42 New
      +3
      UVZ does not stand still. Mastering new types of weapons in addition to tanks.
    2. vodolaz
      vodolaz 16 November 2015 22: 20 New
      0
      Quote: nazar_0753
      Never before had I heard of such a gorgeous thing. Pocket artillery, as I look, does not stand still good

      I did not hear it myself, I only dealt with PBS and PSS.
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 16 November 2015 23: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: vodolaz
        I did not hear it myself, I only dealt with PBS and PSS.

        And here the same principle as in the MSS - all the trick in the mine itself,
        as in the MSS in special cartridges - ejection piston,
        locking powder gases.
        Well done, that thought of a silent mortar!
        Special forces such pocket artillery I think will come in handy!
  2. St Petrov
    St Petrov 16 November 2015 18: 30 New
    +3
    How can modernization survive from an essentially ordinary pipe in the 21st century soldier it started back in the XNUMXth century

    Here are the guys using the Jihad app on the iPad for a walk (it's a joke a minute)

    Although I am not an expert, I can really still upgrade and upgrade there. Maybe by weight, if only the first thing that comes to mind. New lighter materials
  3. bad
    bad 16 November 2015 18: 31 New
    +1
    cool! to hear that I heard about him but did not see .. to shoot! good
  4. marinier
    marinier 16 November 2015 18: 31 New
    +1
    Eeyore received technical help if, but Eeyore no doubt he has smokeless
    and the fireless action with his mobility then he’ll brainwash the landing
    and marines.
    With respect!
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 16 November 2015 20: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: marinier
      Eeyore received technical help if, but Eeyore no doubt he has smokeless
      and the fireless action with his mobility then he’ll brainwash the landing
      and marines.
      With respect!


      This thing is for sabotage, it is unnecessary for ordinary infantrymen, there will be enough conventional mortars, there the caliber is bigger and cheaper, etc.
      1. marinier
        marinier 16 November 2015 21: 06 New
        +1
        Eeyore was referring to the length of mobile units.
    2. Archon
      Archon 17 November 2015 04: 14 New
      +2
      so you still tell what translator knows the word "landing"?
  5. I am Russian
    I am Russian 16 November 2015 18: 32 New
    +5
    The 2B25 Gall is an 82 mm silent mortar created in Russia and introduced in Belarus in 2011.


    Upgraded: 2B25M Obelix ... probably lol
  6. roskot
    roskot 16 November 2015 18: 33 New
    +4
    Voentorg Donbas is waiting. He is very needed there.
  7. python2a
    python2a 16 November 2015 18: 36 New
    +1
    Good artillery for the company!
  8. kolkulon
    kolkulon 16 November 2015 18: 36 New
    -4
    And why tell the mortar silent?
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 16 November 2015 18: 38 New
      16
      so they don’t kill in response, determining the approximate location by sound belay
      1. Homo
        Homo 16 November 2015 19: 47 New
        +2
        Especially when you consider the range of 1200 meters.
        1. vladkavkaz
          vladkavkaz 16 November 2015 19: 52 New
          +2
          Homo
          Have you heard anything about fighting in the mountains? No?
          If not, ask the people who fought there whether such a mortar is needed or not.
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 16 November 2015 19: 31 New
      +5
      - “Gases are locked in the mine tail ...” - So, you don’t have to water the position with water, or dig in, there is no unmasking dust cloud.
    3. your1970
      your1970 16 November 2015 21: 16 New
      +5
      as a sound technician - I can tell the accuracy of the notch for the shot-rupture was quite high in the Soviet army (old VPZK and AZK-5 complexes), I think the current ones are even more accurately detected ..
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 17 November 2015 09: 38 New
        0
        Soundlessness is relevant for the "tumbled down - quickly dumped" scheme. There are radar systems for determining the location of shots from the ballistic curve of the flight of shells. Therefore, this device is exclusively for DRG.
        1. your1970
          your1970 17 November 2015 12: 42 New
          0
          radars do not take all types and sizes of shells, and yes - "partisans and saboteurs, destroy the invaders"
  9. Terrible_L.
    Terrible_L. 16 November 2015 18: 38 New
    +2
    how many wonderful brains around the world are busy making it easier to kill their own kind sad
    1. vladkavkaz
      vladkavkaz 16 November 2015 18: 50 New
      +5
      Terrible_L.
      Si vis pacem, para bellum (rus. “If you want peace - prepare for war”) For two thousand years, this saying has not been refuted.
      And the situation in the world is not swinging by us. soldier
  10. kolkulon
    kolkulon 16 November 2015 18: 44 New
    +2
    Our saboteurs are the most.
  11. gg.na
    gg.na 16 November 2015 18: 46 New
    +3
    Interesting little thing! For DRG, then!
  12. Izotovp
    Izotovp 16 November 2015 18: 49 New
    +4
    Still, they would have made the explosion silent smile
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 16 November 2015 19: 07 New
      +2
      And for what minus belay ?
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp 16 November 2015 21: 03 New
        -1
        In fact, there is a joke in every joke: to make it like a silent shot, with locking gases and with a calculated zone of destruction. Against this background, the construction of the Swedish bouncing hand grenade is of interest. http://topwar.ru/15496-shvedskaya-prygayuschaya-granata-ab-hgr.html
    2. severbob
      severbob 17 November 2015 09: 04 New
      0
      if instead of trotyl to download binary gas - it will be completely tmho
  13. Wedmak
    Wedmak 16 November 2015 18: 49 New
    +3
    Something I did not understand the principle of action. The piston moves inside the shank under the influence of gases, and then locks them inside. And where then the craving ???? Gases do not go outside !!! All the work of the gases will go to heat the shank!
    AA ... her ... understand. Got it. laughing
    1. your1970
      your1970 16 November 2015 21: 18 New
      0
      SP-1,2,3,4,5,6 good
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 17 November 2015 09: 41 New
      0
      The piston abuts against the rod inside the mortar barrel. Upon reaching the piston of the extreme point in the body of the mine, the mine itself has almost all gone beyond the barrel. hi
  14. FIREMAN
    FIREMAN 16 November 2015 18: 54 New
    +3
    RF patent No. 2494337 of 2011 and immediately in the metal (http://allpatents.ru/patent/2494337.html), and several complicated technical problems were solved there. The weight of the propellant charge is changed during assembly before firing + ready-made striking elements. For DRG just right.
  15. S-cream
    S-cream 16 November 2015 18: 59 New
    +2
    I know the cartridges for low-noise firing with locking gases in a sleeve. But!!! There the sleeve remains in place, in the weapon, and the bullet flies away. Judging by what was shown in the video, the whole mine flies away, along with the shank. This can only mean one thing - a mine takes off from a mortar, like from a pneumatics, that is, a "propelling" charge pushes a piston that pushes the mine away from the air in the launch tube.
    Honestly, I don’t understand how it works. Compressed air in this case, it seems very insufficient to throw a mine far enough.
    Plus, the piston in the shank moves against the direction of the mine, which also does not add range.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 16 November 2015 19: 12 New
      0
      i.e., a "propelling" charge pushes the piston, which pushes the mine away from the air in the launch tube.

      Only not in the launch tube, namely in the liner.
      The compressed air in this case seems to be very insufficient to throw a mine far enough.

      So it works on 1200 meters. And the compression is sharp, i.e. as I understand it, when the piston locks the shank, the mine is already in flight. And it turns out that the residual momentum of the piston is compensated by the gas pressure in the front of the mine. Which already does not affect the speed of the mine. But the inertia of the mine itself begins to work.
    2. FIREMAN
      FIREMAN 16 November 2015 19: 13 New
      +7
      The sequence of operation of the shot is as follows:
      - the shot is mounted on the pin of the firing device (mortar) in which the percussion mechanism is located;
      - after the descent of the percussion mechanism, the initiating device installed in the piston is activated, the propellant is ignited;
      - under the influence of the pressure of the products of combustion of a propellant charge shot moves along the pin of the firing device until it leaves;
      - when the shot comes off the pin of the firing device, the piston sticks in the conical part of the shank;
      - after leaving the shot from the pin of the firing device he makes an oriented flight along a ballistic trajectory before meeting with a target.

      http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/249/2494337.html
      1. S-cream
        S-cream 16 November 2015 19: 59 New
        +1
        yeah, okay. Those. the mine is repelled by the piston from the pin, which is rigidly fixed in the launch tube. Then yes, then everything is clear.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 16 November 2015 20: 24 New
          0
          the shot moves along the pin of the firing device until it leaves it;

          But no. I understand that he does not push away from the pin, but moves along it as if on a guide.
          1. S-cream
            S-cream 16 November 2015 21: 58 New
            +1
            the piston remains stationary relative to the pin and pipe until it reaches the end of the shank.
            1. FIREMAN
              FIREMAN 16 November 2015 22: 22 New
              +1
              Here, in principle, what to take for an inertial reference system. Both S-cream and Wedmak are right:
              1. Gases are pressed evenly in all directions in the charging chamber of the mine shaft - the piston rests on the pin - therefore it is stationary relative to the shaft and the mine shaft moves along it as along a guide. The principle is the same as in the cartridge with gas cut-off in the sleeve, only the sleeve (mine) flies off on the contrary (look at the device of the SP-2 cartridge inverted)
              2. If you take the second, the piston is movable relative to the mine. But since the mortar abuts the stove against the ground, it is therefore conditionally stationary, and the gas pressure does the work of moving the mine along the rod and the bore (work on the movement of the mortar and earth = 0), then the first option is more correct.
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 17 November 2015 09: 44 New
        +1
        Sorry, did not get to your explanation. He stated his similar thoughts a little higher. + hi
    3. just exp
      just exp 16 November 2015 22: 10 New
      +1
      in the case of silent cartridges, the gas blocker is in the sleeve, then in the mine, that is, if in the case of cartridges the piston with the blocker pushes the bullet, then in the case of a mine the mine is repelled by the piston from the bottom of the mortar.
  16. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 November 2015 18: 59 New
    +2
    Cool idea. Our cartridge when they did this, for the PSS pistol, the whole world was surprised. And then the mortar! And there, for sure, there will be a grenade launcher.
    The range is quite sabotage. It’s quite possible to get to any perimeter half a kilometer away, and “take” fuel and lubricant or ammunition depots, Grad’s battery or mortar. And in the parking lot at the air base! Moreover, the fire raid, using the duration of the flight of the mines and rate of fire - you can produce, collect manat and be already on the go when the last mine explodes in the enemy’s position.
    1. your1970
      your1970 16 November 2015 21: 20 New
      +2
      given the fact that there is no flame, it is also not likely to be visible in night vision devices / thermal imagers, i.e. potential sentinels with appliances and won't see a shot
  17. max91
    max91 16 November 2015 19: 03 New
    +1
    A good thing good
  18. tinibar
    tinibar 16 November 2015 19: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: max91
    A good thing good

    And very necessary!
  19. msm
    msm 16 November 2015 19: 34 New
    +1
    Now - in a series!
  20. Massik
    Massik 16 November 2015 19: 40 New
    -7
    If replacing the base plate with a flange from the 100th gate valve can be considered an upgrade ...
  21. Bart Simpson
    Bart Simpson 16 November 2015 20: 07 New
    0
    And with a whistle, mines decided something?
  22. muhomor
    muhomor 16 November 2015 20: 10 New
    -15
    Rare USBB and ... e! If I were a battalion commander, I would kick such a battery out of my battalion with kicks! am
    1. corporal
      corporal 16 November 2015 20: 58 New
      +5
      Quote: muhomor
      Rare USBB and ... e!

      Justify.
  23. brr1
    brr1 16 November 2015 23: 53 New
    +1
    Recently I came across such a thing. Turkish Commando 60mm. Not very noisy. The range is about 1.5 km. Such is the artillery of special forces.
  24. traveler
    traveler 17 November 2015 01: 08 New
    0
    a very good thing for some kind of terrorists, on the quiet you can bombard stadiums or rock festivals. and you don’t understand where it flies from.
  25. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 17 November 2015 03: 13 New
    +2
    There is a lot of information about the Gall on the Internet ... for example, on the Gall base, an 60 mm mortar with a firing range of up to 4,5 km is being developed (against Gall’s 1,2 km). Recently, there was an article on the core mortars-from this topic and the legs of the “Gall” are likely to grow; although there may be a nuance: the core mortar can shoot “noisy, smoky, fiery” (if the gases in the “shank” do not lock in any way); but it can silently, smokeless (ideally) ... if the charge is placed in a sleeve that serves as a gas-blocking wedge, a piston (as you wish) at the end of the “shank”. Mine emits a momentum of motion, pushing the sleeve-piston away from the rod. Nuance: you can make a "telescopic" shank; then the mine receives a momentum of motion from the shank that extends under the gas pressure, which is "repelled" from the "bottom" of the mortar barrel. If you lock the gases in the "shank "ideal", then the mortar barrel can be made "leaky" (like a muzzle brake in the MT-12 - the "salt shaker"), if it is a mortar without a rod, or even without a "barrel" (in a rod mortar).
  26. Gunther
    Gunther 17 November 2015 11: 18 New
    0
    And I would have taken one, it will be useful both in the mountains and in the city (for our "partners").
    Given the tasks facing the DRG, the projectile (mine) for the 2B25 Gall should be controllable, programmable (fire with a delay, etc.) - just a mine today is unprofitable :-)
  27. Esseso
    Esseso 17 November 2015 23: 08 New
    0
    The clever thing ...
  28. Olegmog
    Olegmog 17 November 2015 23: 33 New
    0
    Held a montage of titanium, amazing ease!
    Can make mortar base plate.
    I think the calculation will not be against!