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The price of any military product can be checked and even predicted.


Over the past decade, power has constantly returned to the problem of transparent pricing for military products. Nevertheless, the question of how much certain types of weapons should cost in the preparation of the state defense order remains open for the apparatchiks, for the production workers, and for the military themselves.

Back in 2005, a group of independent researchers from OAO Scientific Production Corporation KB Mashinostroeniya (KBM) in Kolomna laid out the basics of the regression method for predicting the calculation of the cost of producing new combat aircraft and determining the composition of the world’s air forces to 2020. As was confirmed later, the idea turned out to be extremely fruitful, fairly simple and concise, but perhaps premature for that time.

Realism in the calculations


The concept, based on an analysis of the 90-year-old retro-array of source data from more than two hundred aircraft supply reports, made it possible to identify and relate, through computational formulas, the impact on the cost of the aircraft of their main parameters. Such, for example, as the release date, the mass of the sample and its seriality, cruising speed, etc. The observed regularity made it possible to provide a price forecast for 5 – 10 – 20 years ahead.

“The more complex the equipment, the higher the growth rate of its unit cost, which is several times higher than inflation”
In subsequent years, the concept was tested, refined and improved according to various categories aviation military, transport and civilian equipment. Publications on this topic have appeared in industry and academic journals. One can only be surprised at the chronic lack of information or lack of interest in familiarizing these materials with the relevant management and coordination structures. Only the Higher School of Economics showed interest in this issue, recommending one of the works to its future masters as a material for studying the practical problems of investment activity.

Further, the calculation methodology was successfully extended to a completely different type of weapons - armored vehicles, which proved its versatility for a wide range of samples of material products.

Confirmation of long-term economic forecasts requires considerable waiting time, therefore, the authors of the method devoted their next study to comparing their own forecast results with the data of the world-renowned consulting agency Forecast International Weapons Group (FIWG). Quantitative determinations of the volume of arms supplies were close. The discrepancy did not exceed 20 percent. The verification of one of the FIWG agency’s calculations based on the deliveries of armored vehicles revealed an error of at least 12 percent. Financial volumes of the proposed transactions, according to the FIWG, showed an understatement of the results already about two times compared with ours. The verification of the agency’s forecast revealed the same error, which may be due to a special method of interpreting costs and was done intentionally. In addition, our calculations allowed covering the time period by one and a half times larger and giving specific figures for more than one hundred countries of the world separately, which until now has been absolutely impossible for long-term forecasts.

Thus, the cenometric (regression) method for determining the future cost of high-tech military products allows for reliable predictions of the price of designed, developed and manufactured samples. This provides an opportunity to solve the following series of applied problems of economics and military construction:

-planning and development of realistic state defense orders (specifying annual price indices for specific military products);
-developing the tactical and technical characteristics of the designed weapons in accordance with the criterion "efficiency / cost / delivery time";
-the long-term forecast of the assessment of the demand of the foreign market for the supply of armaments for the purpose of planning a coordinated export policy of the state and manufacturing enterprises
- verification of reports of foreign news agencies on contract prices for the supply of weapons;
-evaluation of the military-technical potential of foreign countries in the long term.

It remains only to decide on the practical application of the proposed method, to find or appoint those who are willing to take a risk and put this promising innovative product into trial. The forecast stage must finally go to the stage of a conscious impact on the real situation.

Price mainstream


The results of the cenometric analysis of the aircraft and armored vehicles markets, which were carried out in the form of solving an applied task, revealed some contradictions that are not completely consistent with the known, including liberal, economic theories.

Tank wrapObtained no doubt statistical data on the continuous stable and accelerating growth of prices for high-tech products at the same time in all producing countries. The more complex the technique, the higher the growth rate of its unit cost, which is several times higher than the monetary inflation. The stability of the increase in the cost of such products in time is such that neither macroeconomic recessions and rises, nor the policy of race or arms limitation, nor the consequences of world and local wars, nor even transitions from one technological mode to another, noticeably affect it. Also, this growth is not affected by any changes in supply and demand (a decrease in the latter increases the pause between purchases of products), and even less good wishes of government officials at all levels. Against the background of this powerful price mainstream, the market fluctuations investigated by modern methods are like ripples from a light wind blowing on the surface of a deep river.

A tsenometric analysis of the aircraft and armored vehicles markets also confirmed the division of manufacturers of equipment into groups of developed countries (USA, European Union, Japan, Republic of Korea, Israel, etc., with high prices for their products) and developing countries (Russia, China, India, Ukraine and etc. With prices significantly, several times smaller). That is, there are at least two global markets for high-tech products. It is clear why Russia will never be “her boyfriend” in G7 / 8 - the club of the countries of the golden billion. Her place in some other union - BRICS for example.

From the point of view of a liberal economy, it is absolutely inexplicable why a product of identical quality, produced in one country, should cost several times more than in a neighboring one. Nevertheless, the same products with a large price difference coexist in the global market. At present, an international administrative-political segregation mechanism has been launched in the world, restricting the entry of cheaper samples into the group of countries of the golden billion and imposing their expensive products in other regions.

Many explain this state of affairs by the fact that, they say, goods of obviously better quality produced in developed countries, that is, they are a brand for which one has to pay. This contradicts elementary logic, since a product completely identical to a branded one will still have a lower cost, determined primarily by production costs.

The incorrectly arrogant attitude of the Western press towards Russian military equipment, calling, for example, the T-90 cheap, has always been disputed by our experts. By the way, during the Great Patriotic War, the use of the Red Army "tanks"cars" did not reveal their significant advantages, although they were much more expensive than domestic samples. "High-quality" tanks in battle burn like any other. Only bewilderment can be caused by statements, such as made in March 2011 by the Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces, Alexander Postnikov, that instead of one Russian T-90, it was possible to buy three German Leopards with similar characteristics for the same price. Indeed, instead of ordering one new domestic T-90A, you can get two or three tanks of the Leopard-2 type from the Bundeswehr storage depots, but of the release of the 80s and used ones. Such a choice was made in due time by some countries, including Poland and Finland bordering with us.

We state: the continuous steady increase in prices for high-tech tangible products, which had previously been practically ignored in view of the prospects for the applied use of this knowledge, should undoubtedly receive a clear theoretical justification. For which the authors proposed to develop a new economic paradigm, which the group of independent enthusiasts can hardly develop.

The exception in this regard is mainly due to the countries of the Persian Gulf. The prices of the equipment supplied there are noticeably higher than the world average, but they are politically speculative, outside the sphere of a market economy. That is, it is an elementary deal. This applies to most aviation and armored contracts. The most striking example is the payment by the UAE at the end of the twentieth century of equipping Leclerc type tanks not only with its own army, but also with the armed forces of the French Republic (400 units in service in 2010). The UAE, apparently for reasons of political bargaining, laid out a double price for tanks.

The constant increase in the cost of high-tech products (including military) is typical for both developed and developing countries. For example, the cost of various types of aircraft increases annually with the first by about nine percent (in dollar equivalent) and by eight percent with the second. The same applies to armored vehicles: over seven percent for developed and about six for developing countries.

The cost of any high-tech products can be predicted using an econometric approach, which should be taken as a given and form the basis of practical methods for determining prices. And if, in addition to the objective reasons for the increase in prices, subjective as well as financial and economic brakes delaying the release are added, then at some point it will become obvious that the necessary supplies will have to be subjected to strict sequestration. This is due to the fact that prices by this time will already go beyond all calculated limits and will be just astronomical. A full-fledged universal econometric pricing forecasting methodology should be developed, adhere to objective reality and be based on the results already achieved due to the method described.
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  1. Same lech 11 November 2015 05: 49 New
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    Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces Alexander Postnikov stating that instead of one Russian T-90, it was possible to buy three German Leopards at the same price


    For such a blunder to the foreign press, this commander-in-chief should lose his post right away ... we must follow what you say.
    1. Same lech 11 November 2015 05: 52 New
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      Well, in general, you won’t last long in a war with too expensive weapons, there will not be enough resources.
      Therefore, always a bet was placed on a technologically advanced and inexpensive product.
      KALASHNIKOV assault rifle ... Afghan craftsmen make cheap and angry literally from scrap metal and smile enough for a couple of serious fights.
      And at the same time, a multi-million dollar F-22 airplane flying a piece of gold in a serious war associated with heavy losses will ruin any country.
      1. venaya 11 November 2015 05: 55 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        you can’t last long in a war with too expensive weapons, no resources will be enough.
        Therefore, always a bet was placed on a technologically advanced and inexpensive product.

        But this is also a war, only an economic war, only different methods, and the result is the same. War of economies.
        1. Maxom75 11 November 2015 09: 46 New
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          I do not quite agree - it mattered before. Now the main bases, storage depots, defense industry enterprises in the strategies of all warring parties are the first to be destroyed. Children will not be able to assemble a modern airplane, as they collected during WWII. And what kind of economy can there be in a clash between the RF Armed Forces and the USA? Only mutual and complete destruction. The war with Ukraine-this is a war of attrition, Thank God that Putin is smart and not indulged.
      2. EGOrkka 11 November 2015 06: 09 New
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        Well, if you compare the price of Abrams and RPGs, F-22 and MANPADS "willow" then you can .... and do not run until .... the end of the calculation ... wink
        1. Same lech 11 November 2015 06: 13 New
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          Yeah, a penny RPG and an inexpensive KORNET perfectly nullify the cost of ABRAMSA.

          However, our tanks in Syria also get from relatively cheap American anti-tank TOUs.

          Let's hope that the new ARMAT will change the picture of financial losses in the war.
          1. hydrox 11 November 2015 06: 49 New
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            Quote: The same Lech
            However, our tanks in Syria also get from relatively cheap American anti-tank TOUs.


            It’s true, but this ATGM from the 70s, covered with moss and mold, is controlled by wire, costs a penny, and brings the most damage (like our RPG-7s (after all, Abrams and Leclerc’s are also burning with pleasure (a week ago they were photo from Yemen online))
          2. Dangerous 11 November 2015 07: 50 New
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            EGOrkka (3) RU Today, 06:09 ↑
            Well, if you compare the price of Abrams and RPGs, F-22 and MANPADS "willow" then you can .... and do not run until .... the end of the count ... wink

            Extremely incorrect comparison. You can also compare everything, for example, the American torpedo and our Boreas / Ash / Eagles. Not a very nice comparison, right? Or for example a penny gun and a cheap bullet to it and an invaluable human life. In the article, it’s actually something completely different
            1. EGOrkka 11 November 2015 11: 34 New
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              Dangerous
              Extremely incorrect comparison



              ... I always did not like accountants ..... they always believe that they manage the numbers .... Answer who will win: one commando or a tank with a crew of new recruits ?, sniper + electronic warfare complex or 2 tanks with crews? Against any scrap ... there will always be scumbags ... and not necessarily in this weight category ... bully
              1. PSih2097 11 November 2015 16: 56 New
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                Quote: EGOrkka
                Dangerous
                Extremely incorrect comparison



                ... I always did not like accountants ..... they always believe that they manage the numbers .... Answer who will win: one commando or a tank with a crew of recruits ?, sniper + EW complex or 2 tanks with crews? Against any scrap ... there will always be scumbags ... and not necessarily in this weight category ... bully

                I will answer ...
                We should not assume that WE are the coolest here, as it was said in one series, for every coolest there is someone even cooler. To make it clearer to you, here is an example, - after a moment of silence, he continued - for example there is a cool melee fighter, well, no one will put him down. There’s a shooter against him, not cool, but just with AK? One short burst and no fighter. Against the shooter, a sniper will put him in the light, and the sapper will catch that sniper at the exit, while the sapper will be pierced by a knife thrown by someone else. And all of them, a cool division of sabotage, will be decrypted and let down by wolfhounds, a bespectacled analyst. Something like that.

                (C) I.Deshkin, A. Mikhailovsky - In battle you will gain your right (year 1904)
          3. Good me 11 November 2015 09: 03 New
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            The most striking example is the payment by the UAE at the end of the twentieth century of equipping Leclerc tanks not only with their own army, but also with the armed forces of the French Republic (400 units in service at 2010). The UAE, apparently for political bargaining reasons, laid out a double price for the tanks.


            Not so long ago, in the media, there was information that the Leclerc "lit up" in Yemen ...

            Does anyone have any information about how this "electronic miracle" behaved in combat conditions?
            1. EGOrkka 11 November 2015 18: 27 New
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              Good me
              Does anyone have data


              ... and that your Internet current for questions works? bully
      3. Per se. 11 November 2015 07: 01 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        Well, in general, you won’t last long in a war with too expensive weapons, there will not be enough resources.
        It seems to be obvious to everyone. The T-72 / T-90 tank is essentially a modern "thirty-four", with far from exhausted potential for modernization (like the T-80 had a large modernization reserve), but ... There is a question, who is the true author of the idea to make a tank instead of a super tank reinforcements of T-95, Armata platform, to utilize the stocks of old tanks, curtailing the production of T-90, "chopping off the ends"? I already spoke about this earlier, the idea is similar to how if the elite Lexus or Rolls-Royce were made a “platform”, releasing various equipment at an expensive base, such as a “boot” pickup truck. Who advocates a total transition to new, crude "platforms" that were created under the already dubious concept of a compact army, anti-terrorist operations, and friendship with America? Sooner or later, these "platforms" will exhaust themselves, so why imply radical replacements if the new and old equipment are doomed to be near when gradually replacing, and using the time-tested and mastered base under the "platform"? The Germans in World War II used obsolete tanks for remodeling for self-propelled guns, Israelis captured T-54 / T-55 and obsolete "Centurions" for heavy armored personnel carriers, because we initially wanted to do what we did on a fundamentally new and expensive T-14 tank base the T-72 / T-90 chassis will fit perfectly, like the same Coalition self-propelled gun or all the equipment that has long been produced on a tank base, such as bridge spacers, repair and recovery vehicles, TOS, BMO-T, and others. The T-14 tank has a price like several T-90s, it is needed as a promising and modern tank, but is it worth it to spray forces and means from the production of T-14 supertanks directly, and who benefits from this, given that we already have production far from large-scale for such radical decisions (in fact, only one tank building center remained). It seems more logical to have an initial concept, where there is a T-90 workhorse, and a “platform” on its reliable and mastered base, plus a T-14 supertank of amplification.
        1. Vadim237 11 November 2015 10: 24 New
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          ATGMs hitting the roof have already sent T 72 and T 90 to the landfill of history, and all previous tanks of the world too.
    2. V.ic 11 November 2015 06: 14 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      For such a blooper

      Mb does he have ONE SINK (from his cap)?
    3. hydrox 11 November 2015 06: 43 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      . It is necessary to follow what you say.


      And we have not only this Liber-General in the cage: remember the high-ranking general officer (V. Popovkin, in my opinion, from the Arms Head), who was later assigned to command RosKosmos in 11-13. - he wasn’t breaking such jokes, he was a scoundrel.
  2. venaya 11 November 2015 05: 53 New
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    Wrapped tanks.
    The problem is not today, how much production exists, how much time this problem is. How to solve it? There were many methods, but there is no universal tool to find, maybe it cannot be.
    1. Grbear 11 November 2015 06: 50 New
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      Quote: venaya
      Wrapped tanks.
      The problem is not today, how much production exists, how much time this problem is. How to solve it? There were many methods, but there is no universal tool to find, maybe it cannot be.

      There was a universal method - the economic department of military acceptance, when the military representative checked the entire the complexity of the product and claimed costing. A competent military rationing officer was a headache for the production workers.
      1. venaya 11 November 2015 08: 40 New
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        A competent military rationing officer was a headache for the production workers.

        To date, the worst problem is bribery. The problem is precisely with the upbringing of the citizens of the country themselves, in this area the enemies have achieved really great successes, have been trying hard for a long time. As for control, as I will tell you so, there was a defense department of the Central Committee of the CPSU (in terms of size half of the entire Central Committee), besides it was also a "department of public control", except for what you wrote. And Stalin himself has also dealt with this issue since 1921, so it’s not very simple as this question seems.
  3. smith7 11 November 2015 05: 54 New
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    I can’t believe that in this direction something will become more transparent. This is the "golden bottom" as well as utilities. No one will refuse uncontrolled (relatively) enrichment. PS "Only mass shootings will save" (C) Ostap Bender Well, maybe the code of the builders of communism, as a symbol of Faith in decency ...
  4. Andrey Yuryevich 11 November 2015 05: 56 New
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    And if, in addition to the objective reasons for the rise in price, subjective as well as financial and economic brakes delaying the release are added, then from some point it will become obvious that the necessary supplies will have to be subjected to strict sequestration.
    I alone realized that the Armata project will be squeezed to a minimum? T-90 for long times.
    1. Jack-b 11 November 2015 06: 03 New
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      Maybe they will, but not on the topic of this article. The technique is not yet applied.
      It remains only to decide on the practical application of the proposed method, to find or appoint those who are willing to take a risk and put this promising innovative product into trial. The forecast stage must finally go to the stage of a conscious impact on the real situation.

      Trying to shove an idea. Of course, it makes sense, but how true is their theory? - this is a big question.
    2. venaya 11 November 2015 06: 03 New
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      Quote: Andrew Y.
      I alone realized that the Armata project will be squeezed to a minimum?

      For some reason, it was clear to me right away, too hyped advertising of the product itself, in the absence of advertising of the technological base. Although I think this project (the continuation of the IS-8/10 project) was ruined a long time ago, and whether I’m lying wrong.
    3. evil partisan 11 November 2015 06: 37 New
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      Quote: Andrew Y.
      I alone realized that the Armata project will be squeezed to a minimum?

      One. yes
      Hi, alarmist drinks
      Instead of raising a panic, you'd better for me to comment here:

      Denis Mokrushin (bmpd blogger) reports in his LiveJournal: An interesting shot from the television report of the NTV television channel about the past, chaired by the President of Russia V.V. Putin November 9, 2015 meeting on the development of the defense industry complex. Ocean multi-purpose system “Status-6” Developer - OJSC “Central Design Bureau MT Rubin”. Purpose - “Defeat important enemy economic facilities in the coastal area and inflict guaranteed unacceptable damage on the territory of the country by creating extensive radioactive contamination zones unsuitable for long-term military, economic, economic and other activities in these areas.” As intended carriers in the upper left The Belgorod special-purpose nuclear-powered submarine of project 09852 is shown, the 09851 special-purpose nuclear submarine Khabarovsk of the project 27115 is shown. A picture of a strange torpedo is visible. It seems that the batch went seriously. Http://topru.org/6/novyj-status-nomer/
      Bullshit?
      1. Andrey Yuryevich 11 November 2015 08: 12 New
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        Quote: wicked partisan
        Bullshit?

        yes, even not clear contraption ... what
    4. hydrox 11 November 2015 06: 56 New
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      I alone realized

      No, I join :: the whole purpose of this article is for the generals to set up their Wishlist with requests from developers and manufacturers, and seek consensus, otherwise they will start to get carts instead of tanks.
  5. Armored optimist 11 November 2015 05: 59 New
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    We have in construction companies that carry out the examination of estimates. If the customer orders the examination, then the experts will justify that it is overpriced by 30-50%, if the contractor asks for the same estimate, then the same experts can prove that the estimate needs to be increased by 30-50%.
    But I hope that it is possible to create the necessary number of expert units in the bowels of the Ministry of Defense, from which it is realistic to receive objective estimates of the cost of defense orders. Objectivity should be ensured by strict control of performers by all, even undemocratic methods.
    1. Same lech 11 November 2015 06: 03 New
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      Objectivity should be ensured by strict control of performers by all, even undemocratic methods.


      Objectivity ... the girl is windy and behaves differently in the hands of different organizations.

      In general, expenditures on a particular product should be prescribed at the level of the law and this should be determined by specialists who are versed in the nuances of this matter and not by any official POTAPOV or MEDVEDEV.
    2. Jack-b 11 November 2015 06: 05 New
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      Like in a joke. You name your price, I mine. We both laugh and start a conversation.
      1. Same lech 11 November 2015 06: 08 New
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        We both laugh and start a conversation.


        smile I laughed at this too ... surely taken from life.
        1. bulatovvvas 11 November 2015 06: 59 New
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          The Higher School of Economics is an adherent of the pro-Western liberal economy, so you can think twice about letting its experts evaluate and analyze new developments, especially in the military-industrial complex!
    3. BMW
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      Quote: armored optimist
      We have in construction companies that carry out the examination of estimates.

      He worked in a fishing company, hung part-time calculation of ship repair (mechanical part), he saved the company about a million a year, i.e. completely beat off his salary and all sorts of expenses for me. The partner, according to the hull work, beat off up to five million a year. All the same, they became bad, they asked me to leave. Two years later, having changed five people, they suggested that we go back. We decided, "Fuck them."
      A normal company with a normal owner should have its own costing department, but a person needs to be trained and trained. And the owners do not want to pay one, two people from stupidity and greed, but in the end they overpay several times.
      By the way, the right of financial verification of the calculation and pricing of the materials used was returned to the military acceptance. hi
    4. hydrox 11 November 2015 07: 51 New
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      Quote: armored optimist
      even by undemocratic methods.


      And remember how in the Union (and not only in it) intelligence competed for the accuracy and quality of intelligence: the SVR, the GRU and the KGB worked on the same topic, and all at the same time understood that only infa, which has been repeatedly verified and will go upstairs, confirmed from the other two sources (which did not exempt, however, this info from a competent misinformation).
      THOSE. infa became as truthful as possible at the receiving end -
      1. Oleko 11 November 2015 19: 22 New
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        Quote: hydrox
        And remember how in the Union (and not only in it) intelligence competed for the accuracy and quality of intelligence: the SVR, the GRU and the KGB worked on the same topic, and all at the same time understood that only infa, which has been repeatedly verified and will go upstairs, confirmed from the other two sources (which did not exempt, however, this info from a competent misinformation). infa became as truthful as possible at the receiving end -

        SVR - the former 1 GU KGB. SVR was not in the days of the USSR. Excuse me.
  6. Mikhail m 11 November 2015 06: 05 New
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    There is no prophet in his own country. When Western economists begin to use the methodology developed by our scientists, ours will sing its praises and rush to eliminate the “backlog”. Do not go for the first time.
  7. V.ic 11 November 2015 06: 26 New
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    1. Checking = trust, trusting = checking. It has always been (and will be) more profitable for the manufacturer not to reduce production costs to reduce the price of the product, but to block such costs by increasing the price of the product.
    2. Under Serdyukov, there was an attempt to remove military representations from controlling pricing of military products / this is for those who did not know /.
  8. mamont5 11 November 2015 06: 26 New
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    Quote: The same Lech
    Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces Alexander Postnikov stating that instead of one Russian T-90, it was possible to buy three German Leopards at the same price


    For such a blunder to the foreign press, this commander-in-chief should lose his post right away ... we must follow what you say.


    Right Right “Serdyukovskiy” at times from this phrase blew. It was he, together with his protege, the former Chief of General Staff Makarov, who issued such pearls.
  9. rotmistr60 11 November 2015 06: 31 New
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    The overpricing of the final product was, is and will be. You won’t go anywhere from this. The customer wants cheaper, the manufacturer needs a profit. What calculation methods do not apply, anyway, one side will not be happy. There is only hope for decency on both sides, which again is not possible.
  10. SibSlavRus 11 November 2015 06: 49 New
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    Everything ingenious should be simple. And the experience of a great Power is again stupidly missed. And what we want is capitalism: a tuyeva heap of commercial layers, subcontractors and other parasites of the bureaucratic tribe.
    The GosSystem has been violated and is implementing the basis of capitalism - the main profit. And what is government procurement and government procurement! This is not only higher than market prices, but simply inadequately justified.
    If you want to confuse the state official with terms and numbers, so that he unconditionally believes - give him a statistical report in the style of "as in this article" and another plan-folio.
    The Soviet Institute of Military Representatives and Military Acceptance was stolen? So what then do you want from "effective managers"?
    Specialists of the military industry say so that the price-quality ratio of Russian weapons is the most effective in the world (especially high technologies), but for some reason, "bureaucrats" at the exit are more expensive than the western ?! We’ve come to insanity - they wanted to buy abroad!
    Any military professional will confirm that the strength and effectiveness of Russian weapons is beyond doubt. And bureaucratic PR-asss are just a profit tool.
    In addition to commerce, Westernizing liberoids, mediocre and irresponsible bureaucrats and pseudo-power, no one doubts the strength and quality of Russian weapons!
    And now add service, spare parts, consumables and repairs! It is not surprising that there will be more than in the Union, which half the world contained.
    In fact, with the advent of high technology in science and industry, production should, on the contrary, become cheaper.
  11. asiat_61 11 November 2015 06: 53 New
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    It is interesting that the Higher School of Economics became interested in all these calculations. It is a hotbed of liberoid ideas in the economy.
  12. Vikxnumx 11 November 2015 06: 54 New
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    Quote: rotmistr60
    The customer wants cheaper, the manufacturer needs a profit.

    But in the end, the person who exploits the equipment suffers ...
    Look at today's tenders:
    "Your competitors are asking for less! Take from them."
    And there is one "garage China" in the selection. And the bearings go one day ... And the filters let in dust and dirt ...
    But cheaper!
    Very accurately, you need to write down the requirements for the smallest components, otherwise this will come out later ....
  13. navy1301 11 November 2015 06: 58 New
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    Quote: The same Lech
    Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces Alexander Postnikov stating that instead of one Russian T-90, it was possible to buy three German Leopards at the same price


    For such a blunder to the foreign press, this commander-in-chief should lose his post right away ... we must follow what you say.



    Or order for misinformation of an adversary
    1. Same lech 11 November 2015 07: 54 New
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      Or order for misinformation of an adversary


      smile Yeah, and every liberal for rusty and worthless tanks for a medal ... desa should be beyond doubt.
  14. maikl50jrij 11 November 2015 07: 08 New
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    I do not think that this technique will help in anything. As practice has shown, long-term design calculations for the cost of goods are repeatedly reviewed in the pricing policy in real time. This is influenced by objective and subjective and other reasons. Manufacturers are forced to "trick", and consumers "to dissemble." It is just life in society. hi
  15. Yurmix 11 November 2015 08: 10 New
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    However, our tanks in Syria also get from relatively cheap American anti-tank TOUs.

    Tanks of the mid-20th century T-54 T-55 and T-62, and without active protection, not to mention passive, well, of course, not counting sandbags. The required resource has been worked out completely, so knocking out of TOU is not such a problem, and the legendary MiG-21 is also still in operation.
    1. Vadim237 11 November 2015 10: 27 New
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      Even if the Syrian army will have T 90A, ATGM ATGM will also penetrate them without problems.
    2. EGOrkka 11 November 2015 13: 56 New
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      Quote: EGOrkka
      However, our tanks in Syria also get from relatively cheap American anti-tank TOUs.


      ..... this is where I wrote this, please show me ..
      nickname taken from one, saying from another ... why?


      The same LEKHA (2) SU Today, 06:13 ↑
      Yeah, a penny RPG and an inexpensive KORNET perfectly nullify the cost of ABRAMSA.

      However, our tanks in Syria also get from relatively cheap American anti-tank TOUs.

      Let's hope that the new ARMAT will change the picture of financial losses in the war.
  16. chunga-changa 11 November 2015 11: 51 New
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    Very interesting article. If in the USSR the cost of armaments was predictable for all participants and did not have much significance, now “in the era of the market” some kind of mechanism for calculating and pricing is needed. Because there was a contradiction between the manufacturer and the buyer. We all remember the epic with the price of nuclear submarines, which only the president could resolve.