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For the Motherland, For Assad

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Do not scare compatriots second Afghanistan


In the article “Behind Damascus - Moscow,” the author wrote about the urgent need for Russia to immediately start fighting in Syria on the side of Assad (at least in the form of an air operation) and assumed that Moscow would not dare. Fortunately, the last one was wrong. Moscow has made the most important and extremely necessary step. However, while this fact pluses are practically exhausted.

Already in the first days of the operation, it was safe to assume that 30 aircraft (6 Su-34, 12 Su-24 and Su-25 each) and 12 Mi-24 helicopters (4 Su-30 fighters solve airborne strike operations aviation) win the war is impossible. Now this is completely obvious. Although Russian pilots are fighting very intensively, they only managed to end the retreat of Assad’s troops on all fronts, which threatened to go into complete collapse in the coming months. The counter-offensive of the Syrian army with the support of Hezbollah and the Iranian IRGC contingent has so far yielded only very limited tactical successes. There is no question of any fundamental turning point, much less victory.

The military victory implies the return of the whole of Syria under the control of Assad. Of course, he bears a certain degree of responsibility for the fact that civil war broke out in his country in 2011, which became literally apocalyptic for her. However, these are Syrian problems, not ours. Moreover, now it is completely senseless to search for the guilty. Almost all of the current opposition to Assad are radical Sunni Islamists. The conflict between the “Caliphate” and “Al-Nusroy” (“Al-Qaeda”) is not even stylistic in nature, but purely competitive (for the right to be the “main terrorist”). Moreover, it is already quite obvious that the “caliphate” won, Al-Qaeda leads “rearguard battles”, more and more of its rank-and-file fighters go to a more successful rival, perhaps in the near future, the leadership of “Al-Nusra” recognizes the realities, the face of a common enemy. The “moderate pro-Western opposition” hardly defends a very limited territory, being the weakest of all the parties to the Syrian war listed above. The possibility that she will crush Assad and all Islamists is completely absent. Therefore, there can be three outcomes of the Syrian war: the country is finally and more or less forever divided into zones of influence (between the “Caliphate”, “Al-Nusroy” and, possibly, remnants of Assad's supporters and the Kurds), or it passes under the authority of the “Caliphate”, or Damascus with external assistance returns control over the entire territory (except, perhaps, the Kurdish regions). It is quite understandable that no matter how bad Assad may be, the latter is the only option favorable both for Syria itself and for Russia, the entire Middle East and Europe.

It is clear that our opponents are all opponents of Assad (except for the Kurds), and not only the “Caliphate”. Moreover, the configuration of the territories controlled by the parties in Syria is such that government forces can seriously deploy military operations against the "caliphate" only after the complete defeat of the rest of the opposition in the north-west and south-west of the country. Accordingly, it is first necessary to break the "Nusru", other Islamists and "moderate" and only then go to war with the "caliphate." Moreover, it requires the full-scale participation of the Armed Forces of Iran and the IRGC, which should launch an offensive against the Iraqi part of the “caliphate” from their territory. Otherwise, a victory in Syria, even if it is won, will be almost useless, the enemy will simply “leak” into Iraq.

At the moment, in this regard, Moscow is acting quite correctly, its Air Force strikes not only and not so much on the “caliphate” as on the “moderate” and “An-Nusra”. But with the forces involved, the problem. They need to be increased at times. Since in the next few years, no external aggression in its classic version definitely threatens us from any direction, we are able to use all combat-ready attack aircraft in the Middle East operation, and not only front-line (Su-34, Su-24, Su-25) , but also long-range (Tu-22М3 bombers). This will give an invaluable combat skill to the pilots (at the same time you can save on the Air Force exercises, for the best of them is war), and to headquarters the experience of organizing the transfer of significant forces to remote theater, deployment and rear support. The problem, of course, with the capacity of the Syrian airfield network - there are few runways, which are not threatened by an attack from the ground. But this issue needs to be addressed, use Iranian airfields. Most likely Tehran will not refuse.

Syrian Armed Forces today include up to 2000 tanks, up to 2500 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, a similar number of artillery systems, up to 300 combat aircraft, up to 30 attack helicopters. This seems to be a lot, but the real amount of combat-ready equipment can be several times smaller than the indicated values ​​simply because it is very old (acquired back in the Soviet period, in the 70s and even 60s), and is now being operated extremely hard. The main thing is that Assad is critically short of people, and the existing ones are extremely exhausted (although they are very experienced and well motivated). Therefore, the offensive potential of the Syrian army can in no case be overestimated. Also limited are the capabilities of the Iranian IRGC and the Lebanese Hezbollah contingent transferred to Syria, these are almost exclusively fighters with light weapons and without equipment, and there are not too many of them.

Perhaps the Russian leadership in the current economic conditions does not want to bear too high costs for the war. Indeed, in the current version, the cost of the operation is small. Finance Minister Siluanov told the truth: they do not go beyond the already approved military budget. Therefore, fears that the Syrian operation "finally destroy Russia", at the moment completely unfounded. The only thing is that you cannot save on the army, and all the more so in war. This inevitably turns into much higher costs, as well as the sacrifices that we are now witnessing in the example of Ukraine. The Armed Forces perform the most important economic function - protecting the country, including all its economic agents, from damage in the event of external aggression. In particular, the arrival of the “Islamic Caliphate” in Russia (which is inevitable if it is not defeated in the Middle East) will result in damage to us several orders of magnitude greater than the cost of the current Syrian operation, even in a significantly expanded version. In order to understand this, special knowledge is not needed, so the lamentations about “the unnecessary costs of Syria, when we are full of internal problems,” to say the least, are surprising. Without this war, “internal problems” will become incomparably greater, and they will be more serious. However, very often in this case the moans are explained not by a lack of understanding of these elementary things, but by completely different motives that have nothing to do with Russia's interests. Therefore, if the Kremlin wants to save on the Syrian campaign, the result will be exactly the opposite.

Even more opposite, the result will be if Moscow’s goal is to knock out for Assad a small piece of power in Syria or even only part of its territory. Or if the goal is to strengthen our geopolitical position in the Middle East and in the world as a whole. Or if it is to somehow “exchange” Syria for Ukraine and the Crimea. If the goals are as follows, then none of them will be achieved, in all cases the result will be the opposite of the expected. Only in the event of a military victory, that is, the return of the power of Assad over the whole country, and not over its part, will it be possible to truly strengthen its geopolitical position, including in trade over Ukraine. The only alternative to victory is defeat, there are no intermediate options.

For the Motherland, For AssadAnd it is quite surprising if the Kremlin, through Syria, wants to make friends with the West again, because "now we are also fighting terrorism." We may be fighting, but the West is not going to do this, and the Arabian monarchies and Turkey have been cultivating and cultivating this terrorism in general, and for many years now. After the start of the Russian operation in Syria, the chairman of the United States FSC, General Joseph Dunford, urgently arrived in Baghdad for the sole purpose of ensuring that the leadership of Iraq in no case appealed to Moscow for military assistance in the fight against the “caliphate”. A more vivid example of self-exposure in the sense of who the States actually consider to be an adversary can hardly be cited. The second self-disclosure was the attack by the “moderate opposition” on the Syrian capital of the “caliphate” - Raqqu announced by Washington: the US Air Force did not even try to provide it with air support. It is time to understand that the real struggle with the "caliphate" in the plans of Washington is not included. A remarkable statement after the start of our campaign in Syria was made by President Erdogan: Russia may lose such a friend as Turkey. That's really true - with such friends and enemies do not need. The Saudi lobby has become very active in Russia, which is now telling every day that Riyadh is our closest ally in the fight against international terrorism. That is, the creator, organizer and sponsor of terrorism is an ally in the fight against him. Just some kind of surrealism. In this regard, even more surrealism is Moscow’s diplomatic activity on building up an “antiterrorist coalition” from the United States, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia. The same applies to the search for "moderate opposition" within Syria, which will be in the "coalition" to fight terrorists. Moscow offers to help overthrow Assad, who will now in any case be our closest ally, not only in the Middle East, but in the world as a whole? I really want to understand the meaning of this multifaceted absurdity. Of course, all wars end at the negotiating table, but you need to sit at it not at the beginning of the war, but when you can put opponents in front of the facts achieved on the battlefield.

Actually, there is nothing to talk about with Ankara and Riyadh. We need to negotiate with Washington only on a purely technical issue - to avoid conflicts between the air forces of the two countries in the skies of Syria and Iraq. The only opposition within Syria with which it is possible and necessary to come to an agreement is the Kurds, who in exchange for an alliance against the “caliphate” should receive the widest possible autonomy, no matter how Ankara is mad about this. Of course, if some part of the “moderate opposition” is ready to capitulate, that is, without any preconditions, to start fighting with the Assad troops and the Kurds against the “caliphate” is great. But only this kind of cooperation is acceptable, on our terms. The only uniquely necessary external ally is Iran, which is desirable to be prompted to act in Syria and Iraq even more actively. However, for this we ourselves will have to act much more actively, otherwise it is unlikely that we can persuade Tehran.

It is necessary to note one more very important thing: Russia has 14 months left when it can in fact do anything, for the pacifist Obama is in the White House. There is not the slightest irony here, according to American notions, Obama is an absolute pacifist, incapable of any decisive actions in his mental attitudes. Any next president of the United States will have a tighter position towards Moscow.

Separately, it must be said about the position of China. In the spring of last year, the Ukrainian Internet was filled with a wide variety of topics about how almost all ten American aircraft carriers, including those in long-term repair at shipyards, go to the Black Sea to save Square from the “Russian aggressors”. True, not a single aircraft carrier for some reason finally arrived there. In the autumn of this year, in the same way, domestic believers in the Russian-Chinese strategic partnership against the United States talked tirelessly about how a squadron led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning had already passed the Suez Canal to take part in the war for Assad. It is extremely symbolic that it was at that time aboard the Liaoning, which was by no means in the Mediterranean, but at its native shores, received a delegation of the US Navy with the aim of "showing sincerity towards its partners." Beijing is not going to quarrel with the United States and is in excellent, truly strategic allied relations with Turkey and Saudi Arabia. For us, he is in fact the same “ally” as this whole “holy trinity”.

Moscow should not be engaged in the creation of an antiterrorist coalition, but in building up the aviation group and the scale of the operation in Syria. Moreover, whatever the officials say about this now, you need to keep in mind the possibility of engaging their own Land Forces. Victory can only be achieved on earth - it is an axiom.

It is obvious that the first candidates for participation in the ground operation are special forces, airborne troops, marines and Chechen formations subordinated to Ramzan Kadyrov. They are the most mobile and well prepared. It is also possible to deploy artillery units in Syria (primarily MLRS). The total number of servicemen of these components of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation may be five to ten thousand. As for the tank and motorized rifle units, their transfer to the Middle East theater and rear support there will be more difficult (which, however, is not a reason for refusal). As far as it will be expedient, it is too early to speak. In any case, no “second Afghanistan” (there were at the same time up to 120 thousands of Soviet soldiers and officers fought at the same time) cannot be, all the talk on this subject is either propaganda or complete incompetence.

Of course, in no case should recruits take part in the hostilities in Syria (and, perhaps, Iraq), but for a contract soldier, refusing to participate in the operation should lead at least to immediate dismissal from the Armed Forces without any payments and without the right to contract, as a maximum - to criminal penalties for failure to comply with the order. In general, the idea that the army is a place where you can get good money should be knocked out of the heads of potential servicemen as quickly as possible. The army is a place where a soldier is obliged to die by order of the Motherland for its interests. That is what she pays good money for. Do not confuse cause and effect.

The desire to avoid losses and minimize the costs of the operation will inevitably lead to its tightening and ultimately to much greater losses and costs. There is no other way. Therefore, in the next month or two, the Russian leadership needs to determine the forms and scope of the expansion of the Syrian operation. The sooner this is done, the faster and more successfully it will be possible to end the war.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 16: 39 New
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    Obviously, the first candidates for participation in the ground operation are special forces, airborne forces, marines and Chechen formations subordinate to Ramzan Kadyrov.
    And I would be the first to send the author Khramchikhin there.
    I ran on Khramchikhin's articles earlier. This is such nonsense fool No, it needs to be mined for gold on Magadan, there will definitely be more benefits.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 11 November 2015 16: 42 New
      +4
      Yes, whole penal battles from these predictors-alarmists need to be formed both there and in the Donbass!
      expert strategist adviser, a la Burda:
      The desire to avoid losses and minimize the cost of the operation will inevitably lead to its delay and ultimately to much greater losses and costs. There is no other way. Therefore, in the next month or two The Russian leadership needs to determine the forms and scale of the expansion of the Syrian operation. The faster this is done, the faster and more successfully it will be possible to end the war.
      1. Coconut Tima
        Coconut Tima 11 November 2015 16: 48 New
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        Quote: Baikonur
        Yes, whole penal battles from these predictors-alarmists need to be formed both there and in the Donbass!

        In January 2012, Khramchikhin, analyzing the events of the "Arab spring", predicted: "The most important act will be with a probability of 99 percent in 2012. This is the defeat of Syria, obviously Iran. It is almost absolutely inevitable." This is such an expert - an analyst!
        1. Talgat
          Talgat 11 November 2015 18: 23 New
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          Very suspicious this temple

          Constantly against Sino-Russian relations - it seems like the west is working

          and here, too, did not fail to throw kaku at the Chinese

          Although in reality without Russia’s support, Russia would be much harder now - and Russia wouldn’t risk getting involved in Ukraine or Syria — China will not only cover Russia and Syria with Iran at the UN, it will really give money and invest in Russia and KZ, replacing the West, the sanctions of the West have led to a number of problems - which are primarily solved by China, and then Iran Latinos, etc.

          China has completely freed Russia from the costs of the Pacific Ocean - it is independently opposed by both Japan and the USA - look - Putin is not in a hurry to upgrade the Pacific Fleet and is not afraid to lose the Kuril Islands - XinQinPin said - calmly - we will cover there

          I myself am not a big fan of China, my people have opposed China for thousands of years, and still do not believe in friendship with the Dragon in the KZ, but if Russia has been “friends” for 30 for years, then at least these 30 years have been calmer for us. But these years must be spent wisely - to unite and strengthen in this way. to become a "hard nut" even for China -
          1. aktanir
            aktanir 11 November 2015 19: 27 New
            +3
            however, the author is right that the current number of aircraft may not be enough. they may be enough, but in this case the operation has the risk of dragging on for years, while the large-scale involvement of at least landing troops for a short (!) period of time can have a much greater impact on the speedy completion of the Syrian campaign. Capture the most important strategic points, and allow the rest to finish the local military forces. Approximately this is the mission. Although the General Staff may have certain considerations for all occasions. The Russians, as they say, harness for a long time, but drive fast.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 11 November 2015 19: 44 New
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              Quote: aktanir
              however, the author is right that the current number of aircraft may not be enough

              And the author does not say where he plans to place all this aviation armada?
            2. gladcu2
              gladcu2 11 November 2015 22: 46 New
              +2
              aktanair

              You argue as if Syria, the territory of the Russian state.

              The government of the Russian Federation, fulfills obligations according to agreements with the legitimate government of Syria. In compliance with all international law.

              The operation on the stated objectives is successful.

              All talk about possible coalition and ground operations. They can only be conversations.

              Neither the US nor any other country has the right to conduct any kind of operation without the consent of the Syrian government.

              If the United States violates international law and begins independently illegal military operation. Then the Syrian government has the right to demand UN intervention and assistance.

              In this case, the US will act as an aggressor.

              Any coalitions. About which they are now talking in the press. All the high-profile statements, powerful leaders, just break into misunderstandings by the Syrian government.

              The time of small wars has already passed. Not a single test tube shaker will be heard.
        2. Absurdidat
          Absurdidat 12 November 2015 10: 30 New
          0
          "Already in the first days of the operation, it could be confidently assumed that 30 aircraft (6 Su-34, 12 Su-24 and Su-25 each) and 12 Mi-24 helicopters (4 Su-30 fighters solve airborne cover operations of strike aircraft "It’s impossible to win the war. Now it’s quite obvious. Although the Russian pilots are fighting very intensively, they only managed to stop the Assad’s retreat on all fronts, which threatened to collapse in the coming months."

          stopped the enemy’s advance on all fronts, transferred Assad’s army to the offensive, and all this in a month and a half. Delov, yes guys? :) Such analytes for the chin and to the museum.
    2. Coconut Tima
      Coconut Tima 11 November 2015 16: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And I would be the first to send the author Khramchikhin there.

      And let him take his son with him
    3. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 11 November 2015 16: 42 New
      +1
      and user MIKHAN in addition.
    4. iliya87
      iliya87 11 November 2015 16: 59 New
      +4
      The article is long, boring and nothing
    5. Air Force captain
      Air Force captain 11 November 2015 17: 02 New
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      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And I would be the first to send the author Khramchikhin there.

      and on the front line ....
    6. OlegLex
      OlegLex 11 November 2015 17: 16 New
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      The author is clearly from behind a hill. there are already so many reservations in the article (and the Air Force instead of the air forces and the common name Moscow and not the Kremlin or “Chechen formations subordinate to Ramzan Kadyrov”) in jurisprudence there is such a thing as an introduction to a logical trap. This is when the correct events seem to be interpreted in their favor, thereby distorting the truth. This article is written to make one believe that we are wrong and that we are almost alone. And then develop in us a complex of guilt for all the world's sorrows
    7. vezunchik
      vezunchik 11 November 2015 17: 28 New
      -7
      these are the top rats that sell the country. And you need to be sent to Magadan so that it grows wiser ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 17: 37 New
        +4
        Quote: vezunchik
        from such rats at the top and sell the country.

        But I do not trade at the bottom and the Homeland.
        Quote: vezunchik
        And you need to be sent to Magadan so that it grows wiser ...

        No, you are in Syria, you’re a patriot, but for some reason it’s still in Russia, and not near Aleppo.
        By the way, are you still there?
    8. Berthan
      Berthan 11 November 2015 17: 52 New
      +3
      And I would be the first to send the author Khramchikhin there.


      Well, not necessarily) Alternatively, the author could participate financially. In the amount of the cost of participation in the hostilities mentioned by specialists.
    9. Alekseev
      Alekseev 11 November 2015 18: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And I would be the first to send the author Khramchikhin there.

      Absolutely so!
      But he hardly himself understands his own stupidity.
      He just pedals the topic, makes money on it.
      And such to a fig. We need to learn to distinguish between "grain from the chaff."
    10. Vend
      Vend 11 November 2015 18: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      [
      Khramchikhin ... you need to get gold on Magadan, there will definitely be more benefits.

      You are wasteful however. Adequate miners may get gold. And such authors are firewood. laughing
    11. chess
      chess 11 November 2015 22: 41 New
      +2
      And I liked the article as a whole. But the criticism is not very. Tell me better what do you offer in solving this problem?
    12. lopvlad
      lopvlad 12 November 2015 02: 47 New
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      No, it needs to be mined for gold on Magadan, there will definitely be more benefits.


      It’s useless. In such hands usually grow from one place.
    13. Speedy
      Speedy 12 November 2015 10: 14 New
      -2
      I read an article - I thought it was writing a burqa-muridka ... FSePropalo will not get anything ...
  2. Limon1972
    Limon1972 11 November 2015 16: 40 New
    -2
    Exact, the author on the field!
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  4. venaya
    venaya 11 November 2015 16: 40 New
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    There is no question of any fundamental turning point, much less victory.

    Again, as in Ukraine, nobody wants to fight for their country, let them let their uncle fight. Some wars have begun, with oddities.
  5. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 11 November 2015 16: 41 New
    +4
    Therefore, already in the next month or two, the Russian leadership needs to determine the forms and scale of the expansion of the Syrian operation.
    If you increase the number of aircraft - I am for. But it’s better not to go to the ground.
    1. Alexnder
      Alexnder 11 November 2015 16: 55 New
      +1
      I agree. It is strange to observe that, in fact, the Syrian army does not advance beyond the disturbing fire, well, maybe a little.
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 11 November 2015 20: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexnder
        I agree. It is strange to observe that, in fact, the Syrian army does not advance beyond the disturbing fire, well, maybe a little.

        Nothing strange, the area of ​​the country is not large, the density of firing points is very dense. It just seems that there are a bunch of bearded militants with Kalash rushing and screaming, in fact the enemy has powerful support, there is something to eat and there is something to shoot. Our aviation slightly patted their military structure and the offensive on all fronts stopped abruptly. Now the flywheel of the offensive of the Syrian army is spinning slowly. This is not a quick process of restoring lost positions and strength. More aircraft are needed to work out a larger area.
    2. venaya
      venaya 11 November 2015 18: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      If you increase the number of aircraft - I am for. But it’s better not to go to the ground.

      Only here are the planes that take off, that land all one on Syrian land. And what is the protection of the air base, so this concept is sooooo even extensible. You should always look for exits, even when they are not immediately visible.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 11 November 2015 19: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: venaya
        And what is the protection of the air base, so this concept is sooooo even extensible.

        Typical tasks for the protection of airfields. In Afghanistan, almost all the nuances of protection were run to the smallest detail.
        I generally mean that you should not go into a ground operation, stripping, etc.
        1. Rader
          Rader 11 November 2015 20: 11 New
          +3
          Quote: Ingvar 72

          I generally mean that you should not go into a ground operation, stripping, etc.

          I agree with you, there’s nothing to catch on the ground. But it’s worth strengthening the security of the base, so, for every fireman ...
          Quote: Alexnder
          I agree. It is strange to observe that, in fact, the Syrian army does not advance beyond the disturbing fire, well, maybe a little.

          The Syrian army is bloodless. Only Russian forces can provide effective air support, and they are not numerous. Over the years, the adversary has managed to dig in very well and create an extensive logistics network. They (Islamists) have no problems with cannon fodder the same problems. And a dozen more reasons why moving forward is so sluggish. hi
  6. Polovtsian
    Polovtsian 11 November 2015 16: 41 New
    +2
    Khramchikhin, Khramchikhin ... WE WILL NOT CORRECT
    Since in the next few years no external aggression in its classical version unambiguously threatens us from any direction, we are able to use all combat-ready strike aircraft in the Middle East operation, and not only front-line ones (Su-34, Su-24, Su-25) but also distant (Tu-22M3 bombers).
    Yes, yes, I’ll also take An-2 from flying clubs, well, what really is there. let’s leave Russia, without aviation, for the joy ... POSHENKO, then he definitely expects this
  7. sever.56
    sever.56 11 November 2015 16: 44 New
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    Another "strategist" trying to drag Russia into a full-scale war ... He suggests sending "all combat-ready aircraft, including the Tu-22M3" there ... Does he have everything in order? Maybe it’s also possible to send the Tu-160, and then it’s a bang to fly with Iskanders and Topol?
    The article is written either by a provocateur or a layman who does not understand anything in the affairs he writes about! Whose mill is he pouring water on ???
    The question of the methods and scope of assistance to Syria was studied by specialists of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the General Staff, the GRU and other structures for many months and the decision was made on the basis of an in-depth analysis of all the political, economic and military risks that could threaten Russia. We act within such frameworks as now, which means we believe that at the moment this is enough.
    1. OlegLex
      OlegLex 11 November 2015 17: 17 New
      +2
      I think what is written by the provocateur
  8. Evgeny RS
    Evgeny RS 11 November 2015 16: 44 New
    +5
    No, really. The help that has already been provided is enough. Russians should not die for Syria. There will be no gratitude (see the story with the bros), and we do not need it either.
  9. ratfly
    ratfly 11 November 2015 16: 47 New
    +7
    If you can’t do without participation, then only volunteers. I always liked the idea of ​​the Russian foreign legion. It can be used precisely for such situations, without the hysteria of society.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 11 November 2015 19: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: ratfly
      I always liked the idea of ​​the Russian foreign legion. It can be used precisely for such situations, without the hysteria of society.
      But, it must first be created. If we recall the war in Spain, our pilots and tankers were there without any “legion,” and not only our pilots fought in Korea with Vietnam, and the USSR did not officially fight there. You can understand the outrage in most comments, but most likely, our special forces are already in Syria. The purpose of our intervention is the victory of the Syrian forces, and not just bombing. Stop the attack, run out of breath, have to intervene more specifically, and it is better to correct it right away, and not get it in the form of an unpleasant statement after. Americans are just buying a lot, we could also try to win over former officers from Hussein’s army, who were thrown, and went to ISIS, especially since many of them remember the cooperation of the USSR and Iraq, even studied in our country. In any case, Russia needs to think about Syria’s victory in the ground operation, and how this will be achieved is another question, but this question can be successfully solved only with the talent of our politicians and military leaders, since ISIS is an investigation that cannot be eliminated without the reasons for its birth.
      1. ratfly
        ratfly 11 November 2015 21: 30 New
        +1
        There is a difference. Official the presence of our "foreign legion" or secret special forces, which are or are not. And this is an occasion for the cries of the West that the Russians are lying all the time.
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 11 November 2015 22: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: ratfly
          And this is an occasion for the cries of the West that the Russians are lying all the time.
          So whatever you do, these cries will not stop. Russia will always be to blame for the West alone in what it is.
          1. Lexa-149
            Lexa-149 12 November 2015 23: 47 New
            0
            That's right! How immortal Ivan Andreevich said:
            "-You are only to blame for what I want to eat! .."
            Therefore, we must do everything according to the principle: "And Vaska listens, but eats ..."
      2. fedotow
        fedotow 11 November 2015 21: 50 New
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        Quote: Per se.
        The purpose of our intervention is the victory of the Syrian forces, and not just bombing.

        Right, you might think that you set goals. repeat
        Or was Putin sharing with you? Nevertheless, it may very well be that he has already achieved all the set goals:
        - The political weight of Russia and Putin has grown;
        - He showed his teeth to everyone he wanted.
        - To militants of all stripes he hinted very thickly and transparently that it is better to stay away from Russia. And then, before the troops were brought into Syria, the hot IG-heads were already shouting that they were declaring war on Russia. One must think that now their opinions have changed.

        These are real dividends. And whether Russia needs a victory for Syria or Assad is another question.
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 11 November 2015 22: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: fedotow
          These are real dividends. And whether Russia needs a victory for Syria or Assad is another question.
          Maybe you’re right, but then such "dividends", more likely a show, followed by the fall of Syria and the movement of the front to our borders. The result is important, not the "rustle of nuts", with those who grew up there, and to whom they showed something there. "Exhibitionism" in politics is an unproductive thing.
  10. AlexTires
    AlexTires 11 November 2015 16: 48 New
    -2
    Some kind of nonsense ... recourse
  11. mark2
    mark2 11 November 2015 16: 54 New
    +3
    Oh, these experts! Oh, these storytellers! They know everything about everyone. And they are especially sure of the fallacy of decisions made by the command of the air forces. Well, at least they were in no hurry to scratch their "works", but they looked at the news. Yesterday this article came across to me somewhere in the afternoon. And in the evening they already reported that the blockade of the air base in Alepo was lifted.
  12. marinier
    marinier 11 November 2015 16: 54 New
    +7
    Good time of the day, yep!
    There is no bond, yes, it’s not enough if V.K.S., as a part of the combined aviation regiment, managed to turn the tide and stop Assad’s retreat on the fronts, which’s strategic
    success!!! But no tactical success
  13. raketnik
    raketnik 11 November 2015 16: 55 New
    +1
    why post it here ????? that someone climbed from the echo of matzah ???? not even funny !!!! read yes a paragraph about that -22 then RIPED
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 11 November 2015 17: 00 New
      +5
      My personal opinion is that until the end of the support of terrorists from the United States, Israel, the EU, Turkey, the SA and other friends of fanatics and killers, this war will not end.
  14. 3officer
    3officer 11 November 2015 16: 57 New
    +1
    It is possible to increase the grouping and the airborne forces to add strike aircraft operating directly on the contact line, for example, Su 25, Mi 28, but this requires several relatively safe airfields besides Khmeimim. Well, if this does not help, Assad was given a chance and he missed it. what terrestrial speech can not be, the losses will immediately be considerable.
  15. kvnvolga2008
    kvnvolga2008 11 November 2015 16: 58 New
    +3
    Bile splashes from the lips of the author. Chronic disease of all liberalists!
  16. ArcanAG
    ArcanAG 11 November 2015 17: 03 New
    +5
    Again - Putin, send troops!?!?
  17. marinier
    marinier 11 November 2015 17: 10 New
    +1
    Greetings mrs.
    I would like to remind the author of 4 special forces, a specific 4 division.
    Units will carry out specific narrow-profile specific tasks.
    I heard something about the President’s infantry. This is empty
    podianiantsa there and povutut for the good of the motherland. At the same time, steam will release and in fact
    prove some kind of infantry, and rightfully they monopolized this term!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 11 November 2015 17: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: marinier
      , about the president’s infantry

      Right And then in words the heroes! good
  18. Lenin
    Lenin 11 November 2015 17: 13 New
    +3
    The article has common sense. Nevertheless, you should not be pulled into a ground operation yourselfAssad’s infantry is enough, but I think it’s worth helping with good weapons with our instructors, along with testing and advertising.
    As soon as we get involved in a ground operation, the United States will immediately throw us another hemorrhoids, especially in Ukraine is still very far from the world.
  19. mitrich
    mitrich 11 November 2015 17: 17 New
    +2
    Aviation can be strengthened, especially by turntables, instructors and military experts in technology and tactics, too. And more artillery of all kinds, as in New Russia. That’s all, then the Syrians are up to it.
  20. guzik007
    guzik007 11 November 2015 17: 20 New
    +1
    Eh! we would have infantry, yellow-faced, narrow-eyed, and a couple of millions to help. Che them, sorry or something, at the same time and would run in.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 11 November 2015 17: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: guzik007
      Che them, sorry

      The phrase of the day! laughing
  21. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 November 2015 17: 39 New
    +7
    I wrote it, strategist. At least read the TTX. Twenty-second cannot work on the ground with precision weapons. And nowhere to base them. Even to strengthen the grouping - there is no place. Since the days of the USSR - one lane, one air regiment. Otherwise, it is crowded and uncomfortable, and in general. And where are the targets for an armada of bombers? And so instantly jam everything that they found. Oh well him, the author of this.
  22. Ivan Slavyanin
    Ivan Slavyanin 11 November 2015 17: 51 New
    -3
    Rhetoric like Girkin’s!
    1. Ivan Slavyanin
      Ivan Slavyanin 11 November 2015 19: 42 New
      -1
      Someone from the "left" accounts puts minuses here to form the "wrong" opinions! Before cons I had 58377, after these two cons I got 58360. That means almost 8 points for each vote.
  23. Army soldier2
    Army soldier2 11 November 2015 17: 52 New
    +9
    Colleagues! What kind of screams? The author published his opinion. You do not like his conclusions and suggestions? Me too. But, I suppose, it’s necessary not to spray with saliva, but to enter into a polemic and prove that it is wrong. And then, almost all the rating generals commented on the article, and only Alexander Romanov, AlexTires and Raketnik did the publications, for which many thanks to them.
    And now to the author. You see, dear Alexander Khramchikhin, Syria is not the only place for the application of Russia's foreign policy interests. In fact, most of the world falls into the sphere of our vital interests (in the terminology of the USA), we just don’t talk about it openly. Therefore, the resource (any - financial, military, human, political, diplomatic) that can be allocated to Syrian issues is limited.
    The next question. The operation in Syria was planned not by a couch strategist, but by brain “monsters”: the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the General Staff, and the SVR. So far, apparently, no claims have been made during the operation. Moreover, you and I do not know about the purpose of the operation. How are you planning? - The goal - the timing - the tasks - the means. If you know what I mean.
    And the last one. You know, one of the reasons for the degradation of our army in the 90 and at the beginning of the 2000's was that the leadership of the Russian Defense Ministry convinced the government that a large-scale war is extremely unlikely. Based on this, the military budget was crossed from year to year. No one wanted to think that a large-scale war is unlikely in the conditions of our army 1990 year. And the more the army weakens, the more people who want to test us for strength. That is, the likelihood of war will grow. Therefore, we cannot throw everything at our disposal in Syria. And, as much as patriots would not like us, we have so far not many. The military-industrial complex with great difficulty copes with the implementation of the state defense order. The percentage of modern technology in the troops is still low. After all, this is a wonderful miracle (and the hands of our military) that with such an intensive use of aviation there were no disasters for technical reasons.
    Well, I don’t want to talk about the use of our “infantry”. Syria is not our war. And for the Syrians, no matter how much we love them, we should not fight.
    You have the right to your opinion, but I do not agree with him!
    1. Lenin
      Lenin 11 November 2015 18: 21 New
      +1
      soldier
      I agree. Not for nothing that the rocket factories were transferred to 3-shift work.
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    3. guzik007
      guzik007 11 November 2015 18: 21 New
      +1
      crossed.

      "sequestered", I apologize))). and so +
    4. chess
      chess 12 November 2015 00: 21 New
      +2
      I very reasonably agree with many things, but the author of the article does not offer to use everything, but only special forces, marines and airborne forces! In addition, you need to fight not for Assad but for yourself and your benefits. Specifically for oil prices, for stabilizing its borders, for its geopolitical interests, for increasing the export of its weapons, etc. If we proceed from the fact that my hut is on the edge, then ultimately the fire will be in our house. They will not let the bear eat raspberries calmly in their forest, they will tear their teeth and claws, and then in the shackles in the circus or they will shoot the bear.
  24. Sergei64
    Sergei64 11 November 2015 17: 53 New
    +1
    This analyst did not even serve in the army, but as he suggests, we should be thrust into another adventure, describing how we should fight there, a couch strategist.
  25. nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 11 November 2015 18: 08 New
    +2
    What are the Tu-22M3? Give R-36M2 “Governor”!
    And to be honest, Khramchikhin is running into readings, if you take everything on faith. How many times has he panicked, and nothing while alive and well
  26. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 11 November 2015 18: 19 New
    +2
    And I liked the article in that it prioritized correctly.
    In any case, the intentions of countries in the region, as well as China, are correctly shown.
    We have no allies on which to rely.
  27. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 11 November 2015 18: 21 New
    0
    This is not "nonsense" and not "kvass patriotism", but a well-thought-out and apparently well-paid agitation by one of our "not quite partners", whose task is to disorient our community (I mean VO) and now we are already "friendly ranks" , like rats to the tune of a Pied Piper from a fairy tale, we wander into the abyss of stupidity! Are we so stupid in the opinion of this "author" and do not understand what is happening in Syria, or has he already taken the place of GDP and makes key decisions at the state level ?!
  28. Gunther
    Gunther 11 November 2015 18: 47 New
    +2
    An interesting article is also in terms of the fact that the Russian Ministry of Defense submitted for public discussion a draft amendment to the law "On Military Duty and Military Service", which allows concluding shortened contracts for military personnel wishing to fight international terrorism outside of Russia.
    The forecaster from the author is more crap than P. Globa (recalling his forecast for Georgia in 2008)
    But common sense is:
    Obviously, the first candidates for participation in the ground operation - Special Forces, Airborne Forces, Marines and Chechen formations subordinate to Ramzan Kadyrov.

    It's time to “Putin’s faithful infantry” to prove that not only can the cheeks in the stadium be inflated.
  29. Humpty
    Humpty 11 November 2015 18: 47 New
    +3
    Quote: Talgat
    I myself am not a big fan of China, my people have opposed China for thousands of years, and still in the KZ do not believe in friendship with the Dragon

    A bearded joke about you.
    -Doctor, thanks! You have cured me of megalomania! How many millions do I owe you?
  30. vippersona
    vippersona 11 November 2015 18: 55 New
    +5
    Well, yes, he is right in everything. We will not pay attention to the fact that during 4 of the year terrorists organized such a defense in many sectors that it is not possible to penetrate it into the forehead. All these trenches that go dozens of meters underground. Concrete shelters. It's all the little things. That Assad’s army suffered heavy losses over 4. That all of these Al-Nusra and ISIS are sponsored and supported by NATO. These are trifles. For 40 days, with the support of Russian aviation, Assad’s army HAS TO DESTROY ALL. I would like to ask, what result did the author and others like him hope for? What 5 days of bombing all stop? That is, the transition of Assad’s army from defense to the offensive, the liberation of Kuweyris, hundreds of kilometers of territory, a complete change in the course of the war. Are these the little things? Minor tactical result? Do not underestimate the enemies. But personally, I believe that Assad’s army is doing just fine. Yes, there are overlays, but they will always be. That there is such progress in Damascus and Alepo means a lot. We must be methodical and patient, and not climb on the rampage and get into a new war head over heels.
  31. gammipapa
    gammipapa 11 November 2015 19: 06 New
    +1
    After reading the first two paragraphs, it was already clear that you just need to read the afftor and remember.
  32. Old26
    Old26 11 November 2015 19: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: OlegLex
    The author is clearly from behind a hill. there are already so many reservations in the article (and the Air Force instead of the air forces and the common name Moscow and not the Kremlin or “Chechen formations subordinate to Ramzan Kadyrov”) in jurisprudence there is such a thing as an introduction to a logical trap. This is when the correct events seem to be interpreted in their favor, thereby distorting the truth. This article is written to make one believe that we are wrong and that we are almost alone. And then develop in us a complex of guilt for all the world's sorrows


    Our he, ours, from Moscow. There is a good section on Global Adventure. Called EMNIP FAK ANALitegam (this is exactly what is written - the first four letters - ANAL - are capitalized). They all take apart ...

    Reservations such as the Air Force, not the Air Force Forces - this is a trifle, to be honest, I often say that myself. Just a habit. Although for the expert, by whom he positions himself, such reservations are unacceptable ...
    The same is with Moscow, instead of the Kremlin. This is not essential at all. Everyone understands that decisions are made not in the Moscow City Hall, but in the Kremlin
  33. alone
    alone 11 November 2015 19: 20 New
    +2
    Khramchikhin again! The author of many crazy articles and quotes! He is so incompetent that any person who believes in his words and what he wrote risks his reputation as an intelligent person
  34. roskot
    roskot 11 November 2015 19: 28 New
    0
    minimum for immediate dismissal from the Armed Forces without any payments and without the right to a new contract, at most for criminal punishment

    Famously wrapped up. Only either did not serve, or philosophized. The oath in the army is given to protect the homeland, and not die in a foreign land.
  35. Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 11 November 2015 21: 05 New
    0
    I began to read, in the second paragraph I forgot that I’m reading at VO, in the third, I began to fall asleep ... and went to the comments, it’s immediately clear that I’m not alone !!!! Thank you, MEN, that you are!))))
  36. Cat man null
    Cat man null 11 November 2015 21: 34 New
    0
    The author has a total collapse of the brain .. to drive Tu-22 into Syria is a total fox of the brain ..

    IMHO.
  37. sisa29
    sisa29 11 November 2015 21: 54 New
    +2
    Lord! Who today watched the program "Time" at 21 00.? Today was a good example of how they are trying to manipulate our consciousness. The program began with the fact that for about five minutes the correspondents emotionally told us that in Russia we had a man sentenced to 7 years for protecting the apartment and knocking the villain who encroached on the apartment and killed his daughter! Horror! Where's the justice! How so! ... Man, of course, but who thought why it was news number 1 on our most central channel? I think in order to lead us, so that we as a whole family begin to discuss such unjust justice of the court! So that we do not think about something else ..... And at this time truckers are on strike across the country against the introduction of levies for using roads! Think Time mentioned it?
    I have the honor of gentlemen!
  38. chess
    chess 11 November 2015 22: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: chess
    And I liked the article as a whole. But the criticism is not very. Tell me better what do you offer in solving this problem?

    Unfortunately, our solutions to the problem of terror are somewhat reminiscent of American ones. By bombing from the air, shoot missiles from afar, but the problem then this will not be solved. The author is right a war cannot be won from the air. It is possible to cause damage, it is possible to weaken, but not win, and we will have to think about strengthening the group, supporting Assad, or about how to leave without saving a face.
  39. Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 11 November 2015 22: 53 New
    0
    Nonsense - especially in terms of the introduction of ground forces.
    1. chess
      chess 11 November 2015 23: 49 New
      0
      Suggest something else? Maybe if only defeating ISIS by talking? The salt of war is infantry (Nicola Machiavelli's Art of War)
      1. chess
        chess 11 November 2015 23: 55 New
        0
        Once the Romans civilized lengthened the length of their swords in order to defeat their enemies without approaching them, as before a short distance, however, as authoritative historians say, this measure did not lead Rome to greatness. If you are afraid of your enemies so much that you are afraid to see their eyes, you are unlikely to win.
  40. Weyland
    Weyland 12 November 2015 00: 18 New
    0
    A remarkable statement after the start of our campaign in Syria was made by President Erdogan: Russia may lose a friend like Turkey

    "Doctor, we are losing him!" (c) - I mean, Turkey suddenly disappear from the card? Well, we will survive this trouble! (with)
  41. chess
    chess 12 November 2015 00: 31 New
    0
    I agree. Turkey is our "most valuable" friend
  42. bad
    bad 12 November 2015 01: 41 New
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Obviously, the first candidates for participation in the ground operation are special forces, airborne forces, marines and Chechen formations subordinate to Ramzan Kadyrov.
    And I would be the first to send the author Khramchikhin there.
    I ran on Khramchikhin's articles earlier. This is such nonsense fool No, it needs to be mined for gold on Magadan, there will definitely be more benefits.

    I agree .. if in real life I would smell gunpowder, I think he would not carry such nonsense ..
  43. Wolka
    Wolka 12 November 2015 05: 56 New
    0
    The army is such a place where a soldier is obliged to die on the orders of the homeland for its interests. That’s why she pays good money. Do not confuse cause and effect. A "well said," and the author of the article is ready for what he said ??? In general, in the General Staff of the Russian Federation they’re not suckers, and no more stupid than the author, so you don’t need to push Russia into a large-scale military adventure with your subjective speculation. Everything is under control and everything is going according to plan, no need to hysteria, I believe ...