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Kiev is looking for weapons everywhere, including in Kazakhstan

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Ukrainian authorities are trying to get weaponwherever possible. Recently, with a proposal to significantly strengthen military cooperation, President Poroshenko visited his colleague Nursultan Nazarbayev in Astana, writes the French resource Intelligence online. Article translation publishes a blog. bmpd.




During the visit, which took place on October 9 and passed almost unnoticed, Poroshenko promised to cooperate with Kazakhstan in the production of components for Antonov Design Bureau aircraft and the production of engines of the Motor-Sich enterprise.

In addition, Poroshenko discussed with Nazarbayev the possibility of supplying arms to Ukraine. However, as the newspaper writes, "the Kazakh side chose to evade the answer."

“The supply of Russian weapons by the Kazakhs to Ukraine does not make sense: Astana is purchasing its own weapons, first of all, from Russia within the framework of the CSTO,” the resource notes.

According to the author, "the turn of Kiev to Astana, which is very deeply involved in the Minsk negotiations and is the main supplier of grain to the east of Ukraine, may not seem so shocking." “In essence, this is a search for alternatives, despite the fact that Washington has finally decided to carry out massive arms supplies to Kiev,” writes Intelligence online.

According to the newspaper, the cooperation of Kiev with Washington in addition to the supply of artillery shells and equipment for cyberwar "will be aimed at significantly increasing the capabilities of the Ukrainian Air Force."
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  1. sever.56
    sever.56 10 November 2015 12: 55 New
    31
    From horseradish ears, not weapons from Kazakhstan. It is necessary to completely drink the brains to come to Nazarbayev with such an offer!
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 10 November 2015 13: 04 New
      +9
      Quote: sever.56
      From horseradish ears

      Ну, дядька Нурсултан вряд ли чем петушку поможет - (с Россией не будет же ссориться из-за этого). Так что военных поставок "з Казахстану" Петруше не светит. Или, в крайнем случае, какое-нибудь фуфло подкинет.
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 10 November 2015 13: 07 New
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        as the newspaper writes, “the Kazakh side chose to evade the answer”

        По сути Назарбаев-Верещагин (из "Белого солнца пустыни") молча сказал : "Вот что ребята, пулемёт я вам не дам!" laughing
    2. vodolaz
      vodolaz 10 November 2015 13: 08 New
      +4
      And chocolate continues to beat. Does he really think that Kazakhstan will want to deal with them? Especially in the production of motors.
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 10 November 2015 14: 38 New
        +6
        In fact, Porasshenko’s visit to the Kazakh media was covered in much more detail than Putin’s subsequent visit, literally a week later. Approximately on the same level as Kerry’s visit, which also took place a week later, but after Putin’s visit. It was especially unpleasant to read popular forums like nur.kz where, in spite of strict censorship in Kazakhstan, they troll Russia and extol Poraschenko and the USA.
        After these visits, Nazarbayev traveled to European countries. He tried to build bridges, but European politicians apparently had too big requests and failed to agree. Therefore, instead of anti-crisis assistance and European investments, at the end of the visit, the national currency rate fell another 20%.
        Quote: Baikonur
        Назарбаев-Верещагин (из "Белого солнца пустыни") молча сказал : "Вот что ребята, пулемёт я вам не дам!"
        .
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 10 November 2015 16: 36 New
          +8
          In my opinion.
          Poroshenko needs Russia, and who from GDP to YOU ​​!? He perfectly understands how and where Kazakhstan is located, and that energy supplies from Kazakhstan without Moscow are impossible. Surely asked to mediate with the Kremlin. Recently, I noticed several facts about Ukraine:
          1. Expressed condolences on the plane.
          2. Gave the pro-Russian convoy to pass on the day of the liberation of Kiev (72 years ago).
          3. Especially Moscow stopped barking (more Yaytsenyuk trying).
          4. Relations with nationalists and radicals deteriorate.
          5. Still, he stopped shelling (although in recent times the tension is growing again).
          Назарбаеву есть повод отказать в вооружении. Тут и Афган, тут и договоренности с РФ по продаже Астане по внутренним ценам и запрет продажи в третьи страны вооружений. Отсутствие своего ВПК и производства боеприпасов. Порошенко же важно что-то продать, поэтому хочет реанимировать договоренности по ракетоносителям и самолетам. Денег-то тоже Назарбаев не дал - "извини, но 40 млрд. ушло на поддержание курса тенге. а курс взлетел из-за терок РФ и ЕС и санкций. а санкции сам знаешь из-за чего".
          НАНу от ЕС нужно только два момента: технологии и финансы (мир. фин. центр в Астане). Из поездки в Европу: НАН подписал контрактов на общую сумму в 10 млрд. и встретился в Лондоне с анг. финансистами. НАН "взялся" за финансовый центр по примеру Гонконга и Дубаи всерьез, поэтому нужны англичане - там все по английскому праву и англ. фин. системе. И я так понимаю, что англичане заинтересовались. hi
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 10 November 2015 17: 54 New
            +2
            Мне вот что понравилось в визите НАНа в Европу (Англия и Франция). НАН сказал приблизительно следующее, что гонятся ни за кем не собирается. И он прав. Дело в Шелковом пути. Вот посмотрите на Сингапур. Из-за удачного месторасположения они построили порт и начала развиваться промышленность. Инвесторов заинтересовало удачное расположение Сингапура с портом - отправляй товары во все стороны. Так и у нас. Казахстан из-за расположения имеет выход на все стороны. На востоке КНР+юго восточная Азия с пару млрд. населения (мы построили свой терминал с разрешения Пекина в китайском порту Люньган (он уже работает и на этот год должно пройти 100 контейн. составов до Алма-Аты);на севере ЕАЭС с рынком в 170 мил.+ далее ЕС,на юге ЦА с рынком в 50 мил.,на юго-востоке Персидский залив с рынком всего БВ в 200 мил., и запад через Каспий уже ходят паромные ж/д составы в Азербайджан. И вся Ж/Д инфраструктура построена. Нам бы еще до Пакистана и Индии дотянутся. Автобаны и аэропорты строятся, модернизируются и ремонтируются. Только в отличии от Сингапура мы сухопутный "терминал" и имеем всю таблицу Менделеева с грамотным населением и недорогой раб. силой.
            То есть, если РК раньше была "тупиковой" страной, то теперь очень даже интересный в плане производства и промышленности. Вот и те французы хотят наш титан (Аэрбас). И Усть-Каменогорский комбинат готов поставить под их заказы еще одну печь. Китайцы поставят цементные и стекольные комбинаты в РК. Японец(атомная промышленность и редкоземельные и цв. металлы) с индусом (фармацевтика) приезжали.
            It turns out that near the world transport routes, industrial facilities always begin to grow. Therefore, NAS before the Europeans feels much more confident than 20 years ago. We have our trump cards in our hands. hi
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 10 November 2015 18: 18 New
              +2
              Кстати, Порошенко просил направить китайский грузопоток через Украину. По этому вопросу у нас прибалты "передрались", каждый просит через свои порты. Грузины, персы и турки тоже самое. hi.
              Nazarbayev will surely benefit from this.
              1. Talgat
                Talgat 11 November 2015 00: 18 New
                +1
                I agree Kasym!

                I just wanted to add. that all foreign policy issues Kazakhstan 100% always agrees with Russia

                In fact. when, for political reasons, Russia cannot speak directly with someone (for example, Porosenko), it simply uses its allies - Belarus or Kazakhstan, formally, as if separate countries

                But Astana will never go against Russia, everything is agreed, we are not just allies, our friendship has thousands of years of common history - we are like one country, no Bulgarians or Greeks will be closer to Russia than we are drinks
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 11 November 2015 18: 24 New
                  +1
                  Yes, Talgat, even when it is not profitable for us, but it is NECESSARY to Russia. hi
    3. vovanpain
      vovanpain 10 November 2015 13: 09 New
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      In fact, Kazakhs are thinking people, unlike stubborn dill, and even more so from a drunken petyuni, especially Nursultan Nazarbayev, in politics, has long ago seen very well what Ukraine (404 territory) has turned into, so that the piglet politely pointed to the door.

      Quote: sever.56
      Need to finally drink the brains

      There already, and the oak squirrel gave from re-drinking.
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 10 November 2015 13: 11 New
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      Photo from a local resident
      "Ехал по дороге, увидел колонну карателей. Жена сфотографировала незаметно. Украинские каратели с направления Изюма тянут большие колонны техники в сторону Рубежного и Луганска. В колонне было около 45 платформ с танками, 5 бензовозов, около 20 грузовиков крытых (наверное, со снарядами), 17 Градов, 19 гаубиц. Украинские солдаты на оккупированных территориях ведут себя нагло. То и дело в их разговорах проскакивает информация, что они планируют до морозов то ли активизировать бои, то ли занять какие-то населенные пункты. В общем, судя по всему, скоро начнется заваруха. Надеюсь, что ополченцы знают, что делают и не дадут украм пройти на Донбасс."
    5. Juborg
      Juborg 10 November 2015 14: 04 New
      10
      What will happen after the departure of Nazarbay? My daughter is the purest product of American education. By the way, our Minister of Education supported the idea of ​​paying for the education of Russians abroad (in particular America!). You certainly imagine who will learn and what !? Certainly not love of the motherland and activities for her good, because their (students) idol is America, but not like her homeland.
      1. Bekas1967
        Bekas1967 10 November 2015 20: 32 New
        -3
        What will happen? I’ll tell you what will happen (((The heirs will gnaw their throats on each other. There are many clans, and the traditional division into zhuzes has not been canceled ... In short, if you don’t have time to leave the heir, as Yeltsin did, there’ll be a big mess ! there was an option earlier: to join the Russian Federation, and to hold elections under the control of the union state, already from the indigenous population naturally. But the National Academy of Sciences is not ready for this. But this would guarantee him and his offspring protection from many offended by the authorities in the future. The old man has become so suspicious that he no longer trusts any of the okr Zhenia. In general, this is a topic for a separate conversation ... He is one of the richest people on the planet. But he hasn’t prepared a worthy heir! He shouldn’t bet Kulibayev, he will sell everything, Masimov is generally oriented to China, his daughters to London .... in general, briefly, something like this. Not eternal, unfortunately.
        1. Talgat
          Talgat 11 November 2015 00: 24 New
          0
          Все будет хорошо! Не беспокойтесь. В Казахстане очень сильная вертикаль власти НАНа и междоусобицы не допустят. Тем более, что в последние годы идет полное сближение с Россией, в том числе и сближение властных "элит" - т е стабильность по любому будет - кто бы там ни сел в "кресло"
    6. diver1977
      diver1977 10 November 2015 14: 41 New
      +8
      We had some kind of artillery complexes, set up by the Jews, it seems Nyze was called (Spear). Their base after the first volley broke in half and bent - they need to cram more expensive and that's it)))
      But seriously - what does the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry do? Such trips are absolutely useless; it splurges the eyes of the public, knowing in advance that it will not receive anything from Kazakhstan! Optimal - 1 horn from Kalash, point blank. Pickup.
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 10 November 2015 12: 56 New
    +4
    will be aimed at significantly increasing the capabilities of the Ukrainian Air Force

    For at least something to fly.
  3. Stoler
    Stoler 10 November 2015 12: 56 New
    +2
    Интересно. что происходит в "голове?" у Пороси когда туда приходят такие "идеи"? laughing lol laughing
    1. yushch
      yushch 10 November 2015 13: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Stoler
      Интересно. что происходит в "голове?" у Пороси когда туда приходят такие "идеи"? laughing lol laughing


      The poison is cruel, it’s better to have a bigger purgen ... laughing wassat
    2. Afinogen
      Afinogen 10 November 2015 13: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Stoler
      Интересно. что происходит в "голове?" у Пороси когда туда приходят такие "идеи"?



      The piglet has no ideas and cannot be, he has only orders and instructions from across the ocean. And the mattresses have an obsession to stir up the war and drag Russia into the war.
    3. Belarus
      Belarus 10 November 2015 13: 11 New
      0
      Nothing happens for one simple reason - there is NO head but there is a head from something lol
  4. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 10 November 2015 12: 57 New
    +2
    Nursultanchik pour them poison in beer, we will not stay in debt.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 10 November 2015 13: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      Nursultanchik pour them poison in beer, we will not stay in debt.


      I'm touching ...

      Quote: sever.56
      From horseradish ears, not weapons from Kazakhstan. It is necessary to completely drink the brains to come to Nazarbayev with such an offer!


      Quote: Vladimirets
      will be aimed at significantly increasing the capabilities of the Ukrainian Air Force



      For at least something to fly.


      for what ... it’s almost equivalent to yours ... well, you understand me?
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  5. alex-cn
    alex-cn 10 November 2015 12: 59 New
    0
    Somewhat dubious prospects for Kiev, Nazarbayev himself to the southeast must carefully look ...
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 10 November 2015 13: 00 New
    +1
    According to the newspaper, the cooperation of Kiev with Washington in addition to the supply of artillery shells and equipment for cyberwar "will be aimed at significantly increasing the capabilities of the Ukrainian Air Force."

    God, what nonsense. Nazarbayev will NOT supply weapons from dill from the word ever. And what type of shelling shells are they planning to supply? Journalists are not even aware that the calibers of Russia and NATO do not match!
  7. Denis DV
    Denis DV 10 November 2015 13: 03 New
    +1
    Judging by the photo, you can see who actually steers on 404 laughing
  8. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 10 November 2015 13: 03 New
    +1
    Well damn, I asked laughing Here I think double stupidity, first of all, Kazakhstan has strained with surpluses, I put it. It would be possible to upgrade at the expense of Ukraine, such as: sell old at a higher price and buy new cheaper from us. But after all, pay these little things, nothing laughing Or did they, as usual, want a freebie? request
    Apparently, it turned out to be a surprise for Petya that a weapon, even a very big one, is not a cheap pleasure. Yes, petka, htz is for you, not a chocolate factory, here you can’t slip on cocoa beans smuggling wink
  9. Decathlon
    Decathlon 10 November 2015 13: 04 New
    +2
    "...пытаются заполучить оружие..."
    То есть не купить, а именно заполучить,оформив какой-нибудь "коммерческий кредит", от которого впоследствии по команде МВФ можно будет отказаться?!
  10. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 10 November 2015 13: 06 New
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    "The Kazakh side chose to evade the answer."

    После тех претензий, которые Киев предъявил Монголии о возмещении вреда, причиненного монгольским нашествием Киевскому княжеству во время Батыева нашествия, Казахстану следует "поаккуратнее" относиться к таким визитам - не дай Б-г Поросенко обидится и предъявит нам претензии по поводу того, что кипчаки (я имею в виду предков казахов) тоже входили в состав Батыева войска и громили "украинские" княжества. wassat
    But seriously ... no, I can not seriously. Because Poroshenko’s appeal to Kazakhstan regarding the supply of weapons looks at least frivolous. And speaking in their own words - the arena is still the same (i.e. the clown Piglet in his repertoire).
    I have the honor.
    1. Kradi
      Kradi 10 November 2015 13: 36 New
      0
      Or can I share calibers with them? Self-starting delivery from the Caspian Sea.
    2. Lone wolf
      Lone wolf 10 November 2015 17: 17 New
      0
      Quote: Aleksandr72
      "The Kazakh side chose to evade the answer."

      После тех претензий, которые Киев предъявил Монголии о возмещении вреда, причиненного монгольским нашествием Киевскому княжеству во время Батыева нашествия, Казахстану следует "поаккуратнее" относиться к таким визитам - не дай Б-г Поросенко обидится и предъявит нам претензии по поводу того, что кипчаки (я имею в виду предков казахов) тоже входили в состав Батыева войска и громили "украинские" княжества. wassat
      But seriously ... no, I can not seriously. Because Poroshenko’s appeal to Kazakhstan regarding the supply of weapons looks at least frivolous. And speaking in their own words - the arena is still the same (i.e. the clown Piglet in his repertoire).
      I have the honor.

      Where the info slipped that Poroshenko served in Kazakhstan, which is probably why such an idea came to mind.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 10 November 2015 17: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: Lone Wolf
        Poroshenko served in Kazakhstan, which is probably why such an idea came to mind.

        Looking for his machine?
        1. Talgat
          Talgat 11 November 2015 00: 29 New
          0
          на самом деле поросенко ездил договариваться с Россией - Казахстан просто "окошко" общения

          He was not going to receive any weapons - this is absurd - in a feud with Russia to ask for weapons from its own allies

          Killing Russians in the Donbass. to ask for weapons from a country where Russians are one of the main nationalities, and the fact that the Russian language is still the main language is absurd in general
  11. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 10 November 2015 13: 06 New
    0
    When a person loses his face, then he does not care where and when he will lose it yet. It's like a snowball. Poroshenko has already passed the so-called point of no return.
  12. Kibl
    Kibl 10 November 2015 13: 06 New
    +1
    The East is a delicate matter, Narsultan will listen, think, take time, see how things go and then we'll see! And at the expense of mattress artillery, then there’s a divorce, the trunks will put it all right, but they will develop it on shells !!!
  13. SAM 5
    SAM 5 10 November 2015 13: 07 New
    +1
    How much they want war, they are already spinning at the navel. But to hell with them all over the face.
  14. Belarus
    Belarus 10 November 2015 13: 09 New
    +2
    Интересно а приедет ли этот "президент" в Минск и что он будет просить там ??? Хотя я думаю, что приедет и будет просить ровным счетом то,что он просил в Казахстане.
    Возникает резонный вопрос :если Фашингтон вооружает страну 404 то зачем столько вооружений и боеприпасов надо стране которая "не хочет войны".
    And if you follow the logic of liberalists in the Russian Federation, then you do not need to fight and intervene somewhere, but revive the economy.
    Но что на самом деле тревожит так это то,что украинские "гении"хотят перейти на американское топливо для атомных реакторов.
  15. Amurets
    Amurets 10 November 2015 13: 10 New
    +2
    A week ago, I wrote in the comments that Secretary of State Carry warned Ukraine about the implementation of the Minsk Agreements. There are no references to Russia in the points that Ukraine must comply with. Article dated November 2 from inforeks. Crimea is not mentioned there either
  16. pts-m
    pts-m 10 November 2015 13: 10 New
    +1
    they probably didn’t ask for boughs in Eritrea and Ethiopia. they will try. they have there ... a large supply of arrows for bows and spears have not yet rotted from moisture ... can be exchanged for mutual benefit. As a uniform, bastards can offer loincloths and straw sambrero. all the same, in straw hats they look like a relative. ancestors of the Kahlov however.
  17. RusDV
    RusDV 10 November 2015 13: 13 New
    +3
    Поросенок решил возобновить поставки Сича и Антонова в Россию..... Деньги ОЧЕНЬ нужны.... Ввиду невозможности прямого диалога с Москвой, сделал предложение Астане, типа поучаствовать посредником,... прекрасно понимая, что теоретически это единственный способ выжить и попытаться сохранить хоть что-то от этих предприятий. Скорее всего, действует по указке, т.к. по краю ходит, да и сложновато для него... Вашингтону стало ясно, что русские не стали умолять Киев продолжать поставки на их условиях, а прекрасно создают свои моторы и грузовые самолеты, что для США не есть хорошо... Опять для пиндocoв сюрприз-нежданчик..... ну не ждали они от "порванной в клочки" экономики такого....
  18. roskot
    roskot 10 November 2015 13: 13 New
    +1
    From hopelessness all this. Well, to probe how Kazakhstan lives.
  19. AlexTires
    AlexTires 10 November 2015 13: 20 New
    +1
    We found someone to come to. I can imagine how thinly in the East, Nazarbayev described their pedestrian-sexual journey home ....
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  21. SAM 5
    SAM 5 10 November 2015 13: 31 New
    +7
    Nekhai will go to Turkmenistan, he will ask for military camels.
    1. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 10 November 2015 13: 43 New
      +3
      Почему нет? Кавалерию в стране 404 уже успешно "воссоздают".
      But it’s better for them to train combat boars. And you don’t have to go anywhere, you don’t have to spend currency (especially if it isn’t!), And the ukroboyts will probably be provided with additional supplies (our fat is all! (S)
      Вот им "Dolki Cabana" на бедность:
      1. SAM 5
        SAM 5 10 November 2015 14: 48 New
        0
        But it’s better for them to train combat boars

        Devour during training.
      2. BABA SHURA
        BABA SHURA 10 November 2015 17: 15 New
        0
        The boar must be bruised ...
        No pennies mahe ...
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    3. Altona
      Altona 10 November 2015 13: 52 New
      0
      Quote: SAM 5
      Nekhai will go to Turkmenistan, he will ask for military camels.

      ---------------------
      But Nazarbayev probably immediately suggested the sheep to buy ... laughing
      1. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 10 November 2015 14: 48 New
        +2
        They have enough of their own.
  22. Izotovp
    Izotovp 10 November 2015 13: 42 New
    0
    Here Minsk is just a weapon and can give. There were already facts of the military-technical cooperation. And if he really really VERY needs a weapon, then let him go to ISIS, he has nothing to be ashamed of.
  23. Altona
    Altona 10 November 2015 13: 51 New
    +1
    Right song has developed-
    Vnognepalnuu zbroyu do not joke in the evenings,
    More beautifully than vipiti gorilki yes salsa grit,
    Ex Petya, Petya, then you are not toys,
    Spare grati with krajina in the war ...

    Do not look for firearms in the evenings,
    It’s better to drink vodka and you’re salsa
    Oh Petya, Petya, this is not a toy for you,
    To play war games with the country ...
  24. Altona
    Altona 10 November 2015 13: 53 New
    0
    Here Minsk is just a weapon and can give. There were already facts of the military-technical cooperation. And if he really really VERY needs a weapon, then let him go to ISIS, he has nothing to be ashamed of.
    -------------------
    So it was already .. laughing
  25. provincial
    provincial 10 November 2015 14: 06 New
    0
    Walk through villages, hamlets, towns, fields and forests, weapons will find the sea and you will be happy.
  26. nivander
    nivander 10 November 2015 14: 19 New
    +1
    short sheet for Ukraine from KZ

    500 bows + spare arrows (for less than 5 per bow)
    500 scimitar
    200 copies
    and for bonus 2 lasso
  27. combat66
    combat66 10 November 2015 14: 31 New
    +5
    Чубатые ходоки в поисках и оружия и приключений начинают, как тараканы расползаться по миру. Сегодня нашел на "Русской весне".
    "Украинских националистов задержали на белорусской границе и допрашивали 5 часов"
    по тексту....."...Представителей организации нацистского толка «Остання Барикада» («Последняя баррикада» - рус.) на белорусской границе допрашивали и обыскивали около 5 часов и обвинили в провозе экстремистских материалов."
    "...«Надпись на микроавтобусе „Остання Барикада“ тоже была названа провокацией, ее требовали содрать. Для Беларуси наши песни и герой Украины Лев Лукьяненко, Голодомор — это экстремизм», — уточнил он.

    «Советую никому не ездить через Беларусь даже транзитом. Там СССР, там „русский мир“, там Россией пахнет…», — добавил Доний." http://rusvesna.su/news/1447153653

    Последнее предложение полностью "улыбнуло". Пусть эти "художники" скажут спасибо, что им еще мошонку к брусчатке не прибили.
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 10 November 2015 15: 18 New
      0
      We must put them in jail for 10 years, let them think about the meaning of life.
    2. your1970
      your1970 10 November 2015 18: 16 New
      0
      Belarusian policemen are really impressive - serious guys, like pick-me-up (sinewy good ), high, the desire to hooligan disappears somehow by itself ...