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"Admiral Kuznetsov" alone work out the tasks of air defense

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The crew of the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" began training on air defense in the Barents Sea, reports Look with reference to the message of the invoice.




“The exercise is conducted as part of the coursework assignment for the actions of a single ship at sea. During the first stage of the naval drills, the combat crews of the aircraft carrying cruiser will work through the use of military weapons to capture, escort and conditionally destroy air targets heading for a ship from different heights and directions, ”the release said.

It is noted that “airplanes of various types of naval aircraft will imitate air targets aviation Northern fleet».

The second phase of the exercise will be devoted to practical shooting "at a simulated aerial target launched from a small rocket ship."
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  1. figwam
    figwam 5 November 2015 18: 58 New
    14
    The second stage of the training will be devoted to practical shooting "at a simulated aerial target

    Well, then where?
    Maybe closer to warm countries?
    1. Vladimyrych
      Vladimyrych 5 November 2015 18: 59 New
      27
      Quote: figvam
      Well, then where?

      From the beginning behind the air wing. And only then somewhere far away ... wink
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 5 November 2015 21: 49 New
        0
        Quote: Vladimir
        From the beginning behind the air wing.

        And the fact that the deck is not enough? Or is there enough on the deck of the Su-24?
      2. Mister22408
        Mister22408 5 November 2015 22: 00 New
        +6
        And the security order went to the bank? And did not return ...
      3. Tor5
        Tor5 5 November 2015 22: 16 New
        +1
        Хорошее дело! "Старый конь борозды не портит!"
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    2. Samaritan
      Samaritan 5 November 2015 19: 45 New
      +2
      No man is an island!!!
      Oh, deck aviation, yes pilots, but escort - he wouldn’t have a price ..
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 5 November 2015 20: 52 New
        +4
        still alive, smoking room!
        1. guzik007
          guzik007 5 November 2015 22: 18 New
          +4
          I would also add (who is in the subject) -White elephant of our Navy.
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 5 November 2015 21: 24 New
        +6
        Quote: Samaritan
        No man is an island!!!

        Yes, he is not a warrior alone, air defense tasks usually lie on escort ships. In AUG, all roles are strictly distributed, the tasks of Admiral Kuznetsov are in a completely different plane
        1. figwam
          figwam 5 November 2015 21: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: APASUS

          tasks of "Admiral Kuznetsov" in a completely different plane

          And Degol went to the shores of Syria.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 5 November 2015 21: 56 New
            0
            Quote: figvam
            Quote: APASUS

            tasks of "Admiral Kuznetsov" in a completely different plane

            And Degol went to the shores of Syria.

            So far I have found only confirmation from the 9tv.co.il Israeli press, I would not be so sure of this information as you
        2. Tusv
          Tusv 5 November 2015 22: 33 New
          -4
          tasks of "Admiral Kuznetsov" in a completely different plane

          Well, actually this is not AUG but Cruiser. Much in one. A very good idea, if it weren’t for 90 people, there would have been a dozen of them
      3. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 5 November 2015 21: 52 New
        +2
        And also strategic missiles in the bow under the deck, and also an atomic submarine in the hold, and torpedo boats under the flight deck. Look carefully at the photo .. what’s standing on the deck. The aircraft carrier and without aviation at sea went out. And some deep bombs all over the flight deck.
        1. samuil60
          samuil60 5 November 2015 23: 51 New
          +4
          This is a very old photo taken not at all in this campaign.
      4. Tusv
        Tusv 5 November 2015 22: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Samaritan
        Oh, deck aviation, yes pilots, and escort - he wouldn’t have a price

        Good you. Is Admiral Kuznetsov not a mini AUG?
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  2. venaya
    venaya 5 November 2015 18: 59 New
    +2
    combat crews of an aircraft-carrying cruiser will work out using radioactive weapons combat means to capture, track and conditionally destroy air targets

    Слишком дорогая эта игрушка "Адмирал Кузнецов". Беречь его надо и лелеять с максимально возможностью, отсюда и актуальность подобных учений.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 5 November 2015 19: 41 New
      +2
      It is, of course, nice to have such magnificent toys. But to me, so much more will bring ships with air defense, missile defense and cruise missiles (we are talking about surface ships).
      1. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 5 November 2015 20: 22 New
        +7
        Well, that’s exactly what this ship has ....
        1. SIvan
          SIvan 5 November 2015 20: 40 New
          +2
          It’s only a pity that the Caliber is not there, but only the heavy anti-ship missiles P-700 Granite.
          1. KGB WATCH YOU
            KGB WATCH YOU 5 November 2015 21: 16 New
            +3
            "Гранитов" там тоже нет, не возят уже давно.
          2. Mister22408
            Mister22408 5 November 2015 22: 04 New
            +2
            Have a snack ...
      2. venaya
        venaya 5 November 2015 20: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: NordUral
        ... to me, so much more will bring ships with air defense, missile defense and cruise missiles (we are talking about surface ships).

        The fact that aircraft-carrying surface ships are able to solve much more problems and to do this is also much more effective than small boats without an aircraft launcher does not seem to be familiar to you. The main question: the cost of air connection is an assessment of the effectiveness of the task being solved, quite often the advantage is in favor of the aircraft carrier units. Nedom Pres. USA Rooseveld, before the Japanese provocation in Pearl Harbor, withdrew all 4 aircraft carriers from there, and allowed the Japs to gouge the remaining troughs, since they really did not represent strategic value and could not have a significant impact on the outcome of the 2nd MV.
        1. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 5 November 2015 22: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: venaya
          Nedom Pres. USA Rooseveld, before the provocation of the Japanese in Pearl Harbor

          Roosevelt! the Japanese! If he knew, it would be logical, having given Pearl Harbor to pieces, to intercept the Japanese aircraft carriers on the move, when their decks would be forced by airplanes without gasoline and bombs, and destroy the whole company with one blow. In any case, if Pearl Harbor were to be bombed or not, it would be best to meet bombers in the air, bring battleships to the open sea and use battleships after processing by aircraft carriers. Whatever the goals: like to bring the United States into the war, contrary to the opinion of Congress, the defeat of the entire aircraft carrier group of Japan with one blow would put America in the world leaders of the Sea Power. It should be remembered that it was the aircraft with empty tanks on the decks of aircraft carriers that caused the death of Japanese aircraft carriers in the 1944 year. Just one bomb from a diving plane, which managed to break through from a whole squadron, caused the death of the aircraft carrier of the Japanese fleet. But there even battleships did not participate. So I consider the opinion that Roosevelt did not specifically warn the fleet about the danger to be complete nonsense. He would intercept the Japanese fleet after the bombing of Pearl Harbor and defeat the entire Japanese fleet, such a grand battle in the ocean would still force America to enter the war. And the history of such a victory would be studied after thousands of years, as a legend.
          1. venaya
            venaya 5 November 2015 23: 09 New
            0
            Quote: shasherin.pavel
            Whatever the goals: like to bring the United States into the war, contrary to the opinion of Congress ... I consider the opinion that Roosevelt did not specifically warn the fleet about the danger to be complete nonsense. ...

            "the opinion that Roosevelt did not specifically warn the fleet I think is nonsense" - Знаете, я не удивлён. Я и сам в курсе о том, что большинсво офицеров ВМФ не в курсе всех событий, возможно это и не обязательно знать. Если этот вопрос вас действительно интересует, то попробуйте самостоятельно проанализировать последовательность событий: Т.Рузвельд останавливает поставки углеводородов в Японию, цель - вовлечение США во 2-ую МВ, для окончательного уничтожения Британской Империи и очередного разгрома европейских стран, а немного указать Японии на её истинное место в мировой политике, как вассала США. Далее: Японцы клюют на наживку и организовывают нападение на Пёрл-Харбор, основную базу США в тихо-океанском регионе. Но вот тут и незадача, удаётся уничтожить только ничего не значащие посудины, а вот стратегические авианосцы, за два дня до нападения, ускользает из поля зрения япошек. Если к вас есть ещё вопросы, задавайте, но мелочам, если всё прописывать, места на этом сайте не хватит.
            1. chunga-changa
              chunga-changa 6 November 2015 11: 39 New
              0
              Sensation! Another tricky plan, our experts are now analyzing the Americans! Watch in all cinemas - Roosevelt leaked, or not?
              It may be enough to suck out various tricky plans from the finger, even where no one asks for it.
      3. Mister22408
        Mister22408 5 November 2015 22: 04 New
        0
        Comp to help you.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 5 November 2015 20: 39 New
      10
      Quote: venaya
      It is necessary to cherish it and cherish with the greatest possible opportunity, hence the relevance of such teachings.

      Do not cherish and cherish, but to work out and train the crew you need to automatism ...
      On the relevance of the exercises. Это отработка нормального курса БП авианесущего корабля, где, чтобы сэкономить время отработки, совмещены элементы задач К-2 и К-3. А то, что ТАВКР самостоятельно разбирается с "СВН, атакующим корабль с различных высот и направлений"-- так то отработка последней линии ПРО/ПВО. Это когда истребители воздушного патруля и корабли ордера отработали, а "крылатые ракеты -- летят, летят, летят..." Раньше такое называлось *звездным налетом* и отрабатывалось штатным составом КУГ/КПУГ.В основном это уже были призовые мероприятия.
      1. venaya
        venaya 5 November 2015 20: 59 New
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Do not cherish and cherish, but to work out and train the crew you need to automatism ...

        Хмм... Здесь я вас не понял уже вообще! Как можно не "practicing and training the crew ... to automatism" - сберечь наше всеобщее национальное достояние? Кто-то здесь не прав, или я высказался не чётко, или вы не внимательно прочли или неправильно поняли мой пост. О том что надо "беречь и лелеять" то, что нам досталось, а не продавать нелево и направо, а также умело защищать. И кто здесь с этим не согласиться?
        1. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 5 November 2015 22: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: venaya
          take care
          = прятать от посторонних глаз, от слова "берег" -ограничивать в движении. Оберег и оберегать - прятать скрывать. Против слова "лелеять" = лель = славянский "бози" любви, ничего против не имею, но прятать авианосец ...
          1. venaya
            venaya 5 November 2015 22: 43 New
            0
            Quote: shasherin.pavel
            but hide the aircraft carrier ...

            Hide and hide from all kinds of enemy airplanes and very dangerous missiles. And what is the inaccuracy here? Linguistically possible ambiguity, the unfamiliarity of using the root words of an old Russian yahik - no more.
      2. Mister22408
        Mister22408 5 November 2015 22: 07 New
        0
        + 100-500. It is possible to add, but it is not a hunt to frighten the crackers.
        1. guzik007
          guzik007 5 November 2015 22: 16 New
          0
          I would also add the white elephant of our Navy. (who is in the subject).
    3. Mister22408
      Mister22408 5 November 2015 22: 03 New
      0
      The relevance of stupidity is not necessary to confirm ...
    4. remy
      remy 6 November 2015 01: 58 New
      +1
      it has 4 SAMs dagger with BK 192 SAM 9M330-2 with a range of up to 12 km (analogue of Thor)
      4 antenna posts on 4 CH channels = 16 targets
      + 8 ZRAK Dirk BC 256 SAMs + 48000 shells

      he is alone in the ocean - a warrior!
      1. mvg
        mvg 6 November 2015 02: 25 New
        +2
        You, dear, as if softer ... wink no offense .. crazy .. to the aircraft carrier 12 km to bring him down .. At a maximum from one angle at the same time, anti-ship missiles will launch 4-8 missiles .. with a probability of 0.5 dash 0.6 they will hit 2-3 Harpoons (you don’t think that his pig-iron will fly to bomb from above), i.e. in real life, he will not defend himself from 4-6 F / F-18SE .. His task is to bring down all of the 192 9M330 and 48000 shells from AK630 that 1-2 Petya, the BPC Admiral, bursting through the air defense screen ... some, and maybe EM pr. 956M missile Harpoon or Exocet or official 802 ..
        На рыбалку морячки поплыли.. заодно посмотреть, что же успели "натворить" корабелы за 2 месяца ремонта.. все ли заначки целы..
  3. Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 5 November 2015 18: 59 New
    +1
    A little mistake was made with the training area - the Mediterranean Sea is calling !!! And the native shores will cover the Bastions with boats for now.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 5 November 2015 19: 04 New
      22
      A bit wrong with the training area - the Mediterranean is calling

      What did he forget there?
      There is no air wing, no squadron, there is no need to send it either. Ground-based aviation is not bad at all and can do without it.
      1. meriem1
        meriem1 5 November 2015 19: 17 New
        -9
        What did you forget ??? Support the wing of the operation of the Russian Federation against TERRORISM !!! What? For the first time, hear the cutest ???? And show the flag.
        And who said that there is no air wing ??? Squadron ???? You are less likely to go to VIKI. Turbid speculation with a persistent smell of unwashed ears of the State Department leave your mother-in-law! If you have it. Envy the garbage container !!!
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 5 November 2015 19: 41 New
          0
          Do not blow bubbles.
      2. KGB WATCH YOU
        KGB WATCH YOU 5 November 2015 19: 18 New
        12
        Well, Kuznetsov is driven into the Mediterranean Sea every 2-3 years, so the option of sending it before the New Year is not ruled out.

        By wing: If a full-fledged wing (in our opinion - an air group) is understood to mean 1x12 Su-33, 2x12 MiG-29K (UB) and 1x12 Ka-27/31, then there is no air group. And two helicopter squadrons (1x8 Su-33 and 1x8 MiG-29) + will assemble helicopters.

        A squadron is waiting for him in the Mediterranean Sea + accompanied by him will go some of the Northern Fleet EM. With modern ships, yes, the problem cannot be solved before 2018.

        The need for sending is definitely there. Training pilots in combat conditions (the Su-33 will provide air defense, and the MiG-29K will strike at ground targets) and after all the first combat experience of the MiG-29K (i.e. advertising and promotion as a deck for export).
        1. Gvozd
          Gvozd 5 November 2015 20: 45 New
          10
          Вы хоть понимаете, что СУ-33 против наземки мягко говоря "ниочень", а у МиГ-29К радиус только с ДТБ более или менее приемлем при условии, что Кузю не придется садить на прибрежную мель? Итого в остатке вы хотите гнать единственный авианосец за несколько тысяч километров ради того, чтоб 8 новейших мультифункциональных истребителей налетали кучу часов, сжигая ресурс, и выполнив работу, которая по силам куда более дешевым штурмовикам имеющим гораздо более выгодный аэродром. Браво, так радикально просрать бюджет МО не каждому дано.
          1. KGB WATCH YOU
            KGB WATCH YOU 5 November 2015 21: 12 New
            +1
            1. Are you blind or something?
            Моя цитата: "Су-33 будут обеспечивать ПВО, а МиГ-29К наносить удары по наземным целям."
            Where is it written about attacks on ground targets with the Su-33?

            2. It is better to fly in the north just like that when it is possible for the first time to use an aircraft carrier for its intended purpose. So your way?
        2. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 5 November 2015 20: 59 New
          0
          Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
          + some Northern Fleet EM will go with him

          Where is the droushka?
          1. KGB WATCH YOU
            KGB WATCH YOU 5 November 2015 21: 13 New
            -2
            As part of the SF 5 destroyers / BOD + 1 cruiser.
        3. severyanin
          severyanin 6 November 2015 00: 42 New
          +5
          Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
          accompanied by him will go some of the Northern Fleet EM

          Поржал:))) Это "Ушаков", что ли один из эсминцев? или может бортовые "404" или "406" (бывшие "Безудержный" и "Гремящий")??? Вы в каком-то волшебном мире живёте, где у нашей страны сейчас есть Флот, и кораблей так много, что "какой-нибудь" из эсминцев, в которого тыкнет пальцем главком, пойдет сопровождать "Кузю"??? Очнитесь, милейший, у нас не только с современными, у нас ВООБЩЕ с кораблями проблема, т.к. их тупо нет! И не от "хорошей жизни" наш авианосец в одиночку задачи отрабатывает дышащими "на ладан" комплексами...Хотя кому я это рассказываю?...
      3. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 5 November 2015 19: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: Wiruz
        A bit wrong with the training area - the Mediterranean is calling

        What did he forget there?
        There is no air wing, no squadron, there is no need to send it either. Ground-based aviation is not bad at all and can do without it.

        What do you think that the air wing was disbanded? What it was - it will arrive on the ship, it hasn’t gone anywhere. They flew on land and over the sea, trained, improved, modernized. On vacation visited. Now they will continue to serve on the cruiser.
        1. severyanin
          severyanin 6 November 2015 00: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: Алексей_К
          What do you think that the air wing was disbanded?

          Еще один писатель-фантаст! А Вы что же думаете, что авиакрыло вообще было когда-то сформировано на "Кузе" в полном составе? У нас как было палубных летчиков в разы меньше, чем космонавтов, так и осталось пока без изменений! Кто не в курсе, в прошлую средиземку "Кузя" пошел с ТРЕМЯ! способными взлететь истребителями...
      4. just exp
        just exp 5 November 2015 19: 32 New
        +2
        the wing should soon be, the contract for the supply of 24 Mig-29K / KUB is nearing completion.
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    3. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 5 November 2015 22: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Anisim1977
      The Mediterranean is calling!

      Писали уже об этом на "В.О." мало ему Средиземное море, если поперёк пойдёт чтобы самолёты поднять в воздух, то половину моря пройдёт пока всё крыло в воздух поднимет. Аравийское море в Индийском океане вот его место. Пусть только Иран воздушный коридор предоставит. А Средиземка для него это клетка-ловушка для тигра. В мирное время там пройти можно, а чтобы воевать...
  4. Hubun
    Hubun 5 November 2015 18: 59 New
    0
    single target of this type of ship tidbit
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 5 November 2015 19: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Hubun
      single target of this type of ship tidbit

      And we are fighting with someone, except ISIS of course? In addition, these ships never go alone, not armed, always as part of the AUG (aircraft carrier strike group with a submarine, at least one).
  5. KGB WATCH YOU
    KGB WATCH YOU 5 November 2015 19: 02 New
    -14
    They survived ... and new ships enter the fleet once a year.
    1. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 5 November 2015 19: 30 New
      -12
      You put a minus, and immediately destroyers, cruisers begin to launch and destroy the professional unsuitable General Staff of the Navy lol
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 5 November 2015 21: 11 New
        10
        Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
        destroyers, cruisers begin to launch
        That you correctly set the task to Medvedev! Immediately felt the state approach! lol
        Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
        disperse prof. unsuitable naval base

        And where did you, villain, get such ideas from? (C)
        Ilya, what do you have to do with the Navy?
        Судя по аве -- Вы представитель славной когорты "во всех сомневающихся", подслушивающих, подсматривающих, вынюхивающих врагов народа! И это -- очень нужное (без шуток!) дело...Но к флоту-то, Нельсон Вы наш доморощенный, какое отношение имеете, чтобы давать оценку органу военного управления стратегического уровня? Неужто под Вашей скромной личиной скрывается "настоящий полковник"? пардон, МАРШАЛ (генерал-адмирал, Адмирал Флота РФ)?
        Well, then both the Red Banner is in your hands (I don’t trust the Flag!) And as an assistant to the President to the Security Council - to restore the personnel order in the RF Armed Forces with an iron hand. (In the footsteps of Taburetkin!)
    2. Samaritan
      Samaritan 5 November 2015 19: 47 New
      +8
      Why are you doing this ???
      For example, today the Fleet received a submarine!
      Krasnodar
      1. KGB WATCH YOU
        KGB WATCH YOU 5 November 2015 20: 03 New
        -8
        Какой толк от ДЭПЛ в авианосной-ударной группировке, которой нет и не будет в ближайшие 5-7 лет? Я именно в контексте АУГ написал, но 15 человек не могут в "факты и логику" и ставят минусы.
        1. PPD
          PPD 5 November 2015 23: 28 New
          +1
          Please explain, what is Russia’s need for in the AUG with a shortage of even OVR ships?
          They saved TAVKr - it’s very good, but there is no money and time to produce analogues. There would be enough destroyers!
  6. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 5 November 2015 19: 07 New
    +8
    In my opinion, no one saw the incocator in a public bus with a bag of money. So the aircraft carrier doesn’t go either.
  7. Bear in the north
    Bear in the north 5 November 2015 19: 08 New
    +8
    Sorry, off topic, but so nice: Russia has created in Syria an analogue of the Israeli "Iron Dome"

    The protection of the Khmeimim airbase in Latakia is ensured by the Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile and gun systems delivered to Syria and the Buk-M2E medium-range air defense systems, a military diplomatic source said on Thursday.

    Syria’s air defense system also includes the modernized Osa air defense systems, S-125 Pechora-2M air defense systems, S-200 air defense systems and other systems.

    According to the source, this system was built by analogy with the Israeli Iron Dome.

    The Iron Dome (Hebrew Kipat Barzel) is an Israeli tactical missile defense system designed to protect against unguided tactical missiles with a range of 4 to 70 kilometers.

    Earlier, Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev, Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces (VKS), said that Russia had deployed anti-aircraft missile systems in Syria to repel a possible strike against its forces in this country, as well as to prevent theft of a combat aircraft.

    “We have calculated all possible threats. We put there not only fighters, attack aircraft, bombers, helicopters, but also anti-aircraft missile systems. Because there can be various kinds of force majeure circumstances, ”said Bondarev in an interview published on Thursday on the website of the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda.

    As the general explained, such possible contingencies include hijacking and attacking the Russian military in Syria. “And we must be ready for this,” said the commander of the VKS.

    30 September airplanes Russian Aerospace Forces of Russia at the request of Syrian President Bashar Assad began to conduct air operations with pinpoint strikes on the positions of the IG.
    Original article: http://vz.ru/news/2015/11/5/776462.html
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 5 November 2015 19: 39 New
      +6
      Quote: Bear in the north
      Sorry, off topic, but so nice: Russia has created in Syria an analogue of the Israeli "Iron Dome"

      Это, как Вы говорите "аналог", ничего общего с "железным куполом" не имеет. Российская система РЭБ полностью делает слепой и неуправляемой радиоаппаратуру того, кто является врагом России. Враг не видит цели и не знает куда летит.
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 5 November 2015 22: 43 New
        -2
        Алексей: вы про РЭБ где у "Мишки на севере" нашли? Комплексы Противовоздушной Обороны! При чём здесь РЭБ!? Против неуправляемых ракет РЭБ не прёт, потому что у них нет головок самонаведения и он и так ни хрена не видит, даже хуже чем танк в Василии Тёркине: "Вдруг как сослепу задавит - ведь не видит ничего!". Это обычная ракета, как на "Катюше" сделанная в кустарной мастерской, потому они иногда на старте взрываются, а падают куда ... сами запускающие эти ракеты не знают куда они падают. Потому против них только системы ПВО. и никакого РЭБ...
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 5 November 2015 23: 16 New
          0
          Quote: shasherin.pavel
          Алексей: вы про РЭБ где у "Мишки на севере" нашли? Комплексы Противовоздушной Обороны! При чём здесь РЭБ!? Против неуправляемых ракет РЭБ не прёт, потому что у них нет головок самонаведения и он и так ни хрена не видит,

          I don’t even want to argue with you on this topic. Just watch the video on the link carefully and you yourself will understand everything. This is about EW and by the way there are shots about unguided missiles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfHmuJukywA
  8. gav6757
    gav6757 5 November 2015 19: 18 New
    +5
    Glad to play this old man!
    I thought that it would no longer go into the ocean, a vessel. Ah no!
    The aircraft carrier is not funny - a joy for the defense of the country !!!
    Well, if the prime minister does not find a worthy manager, of course ... In general, God give us!
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 5 November 2015 19: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: gav6757
      Glad to play this old man!
      I thought that it would no longer go into the ocean, a vessel. Ah no!
      The aircraft carrier is not funny - a joy for the defense of the country !!!
      Well, if the prime minister does not find a worthy manager, of course ... In general, God give us!

      Only the photo is unsuccessful, all rusty. Really after tint not tint?
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 5 November 2015 20: 18 New
        +2
        During the hike, everyone looks unpresentable. Paint on the base.
        1. Senior manager
          Senior manager 5 November 2015 21: 52 New
          +1
          На базе картошку грузят-разгружают, а "Кузю" красят в заводе и корабли стоят в базе. Ок?
      2. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 5 November 2015 22: 51 New
        +1
        В годы второй Мировой войны, на Тихом океане, американская подводная лодка попала в шторм рядом с устьем реки. Речные взвеси (песок и глина) содрали с подводной лодки верхний слой краски и обнажили оранжевую грунтовку. Японский самолёт засёк "Оранжевую подводную лодку" и передал это в эфир. Сами американцы обалдели от такого сообщения в японских газетах, пока лодка не вернулась в базу. Так родилась легендарная "Orange подлодка", про которую и пели "Битлы". Это обозначает, что корабль побывал в штормовой обстановке и с него частично смыло часть краски.
  9. GYGOLA
    GYGOLA 5 November 2015 19: 31 New
    +1
    Этот премьер уже "на ливер надавил" всему личному составу.
  10. mvg
    mvg 5 November 2015 19: 45 New
    +4
    Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
    Well, Kuznetsov is driven into the Mediterranean Sea every 2-3 years, so the option of sending it before the New Year is not ruled out.

    By wing: If a full-fledged wing (in our opinion - an air group) is understood to mean 1x12 Su-33, 2x12 MiG-29K (UB) and 1x12 Ka-27/31, then there is no air group. And two helicopter squadrons (1x8 Su-33 and 1x8 MiG-29) + will assemble helicopters.

    A squadron is waiting for him in the Mediterranean Sea + accompanied by him will go some of the Northern Fleet EM. With modern ships, yes, the problem cannot be solved before 2018.

    The need for sending is definitely there. Training pilots in combat conditions (the Su-33 will provide air defense, and the MiG-29K will strike at ground targets) and after all the first combat experience of the MiG-29K (i.e. advertising and promotion as a deck for export).


    ПВО от КОГО? Средиземное море всегда было "морем смерти". Крупный корабль, хоть Петю, хоть Кузю, 6 флот там сразу утопит.. А у ИГИЛ авиации нет. Во времена СССР наша Средиземноморская эскадра, включая авианесущие крейсера Ленинград, Киев, Москва.. должна была, ДО своего уничтожения, пустить на дно ПЛАРБы супостата. И все. Потом геройски погибнуть. Зачем гонять такую дорогую консерву за тридявять земель?

    What is the point in the MiG-29K, or, especially in the Su-33 on ground attacks? On shaving, on supersonic, dushmans damp sound wave? Or in the Suez Canal Mi-27 (32) set the buoys? So that, stsuki, bearded him on the bottom did not cross?

    You really can count a penny, and what’s your own, blood ... how much will the 3-5 ships trip to the East cost? TAKR, EM, tanker, and repair shop + 1-2 BDK.
    More than one school can be built, a stadium, a hospital ...
    1. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 5 November 2015 20: 24 New
      +7
      ПВО от КОГО? Средиземное море всегда было "морем смерти". Крупный корабль, хоть Петю, хоть Кузю, 6 флот там сразу утопит.. А у ИГИЛ авиации нет. Во времена СССР наша Средиземноморская эскадра, включая авианесущие крейсера Ленинград, Киев, Москва.. должна была, ДО своего уничтожения, пустить на дно ПЛАРБы супостата. И все. Потом геройски погибнуть. Зачем гонять такую дорогую консерву за тридявять земель?


      From no one. Nuclear missiles also do not need to be launched. This combat training is called. No one will drown him there.

      What is the point in the MiG-29K, or, especially in the Su-33 on ground attacks? On shaving, on supersonic, dushmans damp sound wave? Or in the Suez Canal Mi-27 (32) set the buoys? So that, stsuki, bearded him on the bottom did not cross?


      I realized you don’t know about airplanes. The MiG-29K was purchased specifically for ground attacks, from the Su-33 there is no sense in ground attacks, so I wrote that they will provide air defense.

      You really can count a penny, and what’s your own, blood ... how much will the 3-5 ships trip to the East cost? TAKR, EM, tanker, and repair shop + 1-2 BDK.


      I don’t care, an aircraft-carrying cruiser should be in combat service, not rot at the pier.

      More than one school can be built, a stadium, a hospital ...


      Ask our great President, Prime Minister, State Duma why in our country 20% of the budget is spent on the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs and 5% on medicine and reduced medical workers. And also think about why 25 schools have been destroyed and 25000 temples built in 20000 years.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 5 November 2015 21: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: mvg
      Or in the Suez Canal Mi-27 (32) set the buoys? So that, stsuki, bearded him on the bottom did not cross?

      Maxim, you’ve made a mistake: KA-27PL puts RSHA, MI-24 - the famous * Crocodile *. And here is the Mi-27/32 (???) - apparently I missed something in the line of naval PLO helicopters!laughing
      1. mvg
        mvg 6 November 2015 02: 08 New
        +1
        Да я ничем не хотел обидеть Миля.., тем более Ми-8/17/171 самый продаваемый у нас. Конечно Камов на флоте "рулит", соосный Камов.. отпечатка.. понимаешь. what
        На рамблере тут как то нарисовали, что Су-25 перехватчик, а Ми-24 штурмовик.. именно в контексте самолета.. вот тоже, получается, что обидели Микояна и Гуревича.. и я тут, начал комменты читать "снизу" сразу на "безумного" КГБиста наткнулся и не сдержался... потом на работу ушел, а сейчас решил перечитать.. wink
    3. Tu-214R
      Tu-214R 5 November 2015 21: 36 New
      +2
      Kudrin is that you ?!
      Do you think the fleet is not needed at all? Why the hell is it (our fleet) somewhere to drive, if the fifth tenth of their fleet drown everyone? The flag can be presented by the parasite Konyukhov on his sponsor's trough, by sawing, we will cut but how many hospitals and schools we will build.
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    5. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 5 November 2015 21: 41 New
      +4
      Without special need, such a ship will not be driven back and forth, of course. But the fact that the TAKRs, with the onset of the polar night, went to the BS in Middle-earth is a fact.
      Мне кажется, Кузнецов станет школьной партой для корабельных летчиков, которых уже пора начинать готовить для будущего большого АВУ. Чтобы построенный в будущем авианосец сразу получил отработанное авиакрыло, а не занимался натаскиванием "новых центурионов".
      1. mvg
        mvg 6 November 2015 02: 15 New
        +1
        Александр, а Вы никогда не задумывались, почему 1142 и 1143 в средиземку гоняли зимой? Никогда не читали отзывы служивших на нем? То, что эту консерву греть надо, а котлы гонять - дорогое удовольствие, а с автономкой там плохо. И "гоняют" электрические нагреватели.. Напряжение на флоте не 220/50, поэтому сопли тянутся от ближайших распределительных, где есть 220.. по всем лабиринтам корабля...
        And in the Mediterranean, Lafa wink It 'warm over there.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 6 November 2015 22: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: mvg
          why did 1142 and 1143 drive to Middle-earth in winter?

          Maksim! Immediately felt professional! lol
          Только объясните мне, "сухопутному", что же это за проект такой 1142? Если вы про ТАКРы, то они выросли из 1123 и стали именоваться 1143. А в Средиземку они ходили, чтобы летуны не теряли летных навыков, а так же для выполнения плана БП, графика несения БС...
          Quote: mvg
          Never read the reviews of those who served on it?

          Never! He himself served on it by lieutenantry; he was such a sinner in his youth. yes
          Quote: mvg
          The fact that you need to heat this canned food, and to drive the boilers is expensive, but it’s bad with an autonomy.

          I'll try to decipher your nonsense ...
          * Canned food * warmed by brothers from the NE, and sailors and pilots - eat normally in the wardroom.
          As for the boilers, I agree: expensive, but there is nothing to be done - the ship needs power supply, driving diesel fuel on diesel fuel, and not fuel oil boilers, is even more expensive.
          ? And with autonomy (?) There (where * there *?) Is bad.
          Now in order.
          Автономка -- атрибут ПОДПЛАВА, аналог БС для НК. Наверное хотел сказать с "ресурсом", "наработкой" и тп, но забыл как это называется...Бывает.
          Quote: mvg
          И "гоняют" электрические нагреватели.. Напряжение на флоте не 220/50, поэтому сопли тянутся от ближайших распределительных, где есть 220.. по всем лабиринтам корабля...
          Sorry, but I can’t even find the words to * THIS * to comment! BSK! I mean - bullshit! There were no electric heaters on the upper deck in Kiev. And 220V - too.
          About snot and voltage. Даже во время ночной заправки от танкера, когда каскад забортной воды из расширительного бака "Фрегата" с 9 яруса обрушился вниз и обесточил потребители левого борта, даже тогда электрики ЭТД не пользовались боевыми сростками. Они просто переключили питание на правый борт. И когда сорвало с бочек и "пришвартовало" к 19 причалу в Окольной, пробив дырку под спуансоном, -- и тогда "соплей" не было. Единственно, где были "провода"(кабели эл.питания), так это при запуске движков у ЯКов.
          And food (from memory) 380/50; 127/50 and from 400Hz converters. But 220V is hardly remembered ... What to do - the Fleet!
          And finally. Never categorically affirm anything that you personally are not sure of, that you don’t know. Do not fantasize ... on naval topics, without sufficient reason!
          Good luck, connoisseur of the fleet! laughing
    6. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 5 November 2015 22: 57 New
      0
      mvg ответил так ответил просто "+" мало.
      drinks good
  11. Old26
    Old26 5 November 2015 19: 58 New
    0
    Quote: just explo
    the wing should soon be, the contract for the supply of 24 Mig-29K / KUB is nearing completion.

    And from the contract to be completed, how many MIGs have they delivered?
    1. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 5 November 2015 20: 14 New
      +2
      20 MiG-29K and 4 MiG-29KUB, that is all. The problem is that half of them are not flown by pilots, because lots of aircraft were delivered at different times. And also, none of the delivered MiGs took off / landed on a real aircraft carrier.
  12. cniza
    cniza 5 November 2015 20: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: Vladimir
    Quote: figvam
    Well, then where?

    From the beginning behind the air wing. And only then somewhere far away ... wink



    Well, not very far, but on a hike.
  13. Yugra
    Yugra 5 November 2015 20: 19 New
    -2
    He is alone with us, but what a handsome man. Powerful, proud, invincible ...
  14. cniza
    cniza 5 November 2015 20: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: Dart2027
    During the hike, everyone looks unpresentable. Paint on the base.



    The sea is a serious thing and there’s no time for appearance, when the time comes for the parade then yes ...
  15. 31rus
    31rus 5 November 2015 20: 32 New
    0
    Уважаемые,следите за учениями и делайте выводы,во первых одиночное,во вторых без авиа крыла,думаю ход мысли ясен,вожможные действия как корабля "обеспечения"и последующем (по обстановке),комплектованием авиа крыла
  16. INF
    INF 5 November 2015 20: 41 New
    +4
    Раз написали про "Одиночку" то по любому пара килечек под водой работает.
  17. arik
    arik 5 November 2015 21: 12 New
    +2
    I remember Medvedev being president promised in 2015 to begin the construction of large ships for the Navy. And where are they? And one Kuzya will not do the weather.
  18. urik62
    urik62 5 November 2015 21: 15 New
    -2
    Quote: figvam
    The second stage of the training will be devoted to practical shooting "at a simulated aerial target

    Well, then where?
    Maybe closer to warm countries?

    Of course, I apologize, but if he swims there, then there is no sense in him 0
  19. beer-youk
    beer-youk 5 November 2015 21: 34 New
    +1
    Красавец, конечно, но эпоха этих мастодонтов, увы, прошла. Канут в лету как броненосцы, дредноуты и линкоры. Наступает эра "москитного флота" - малых ракетных кораблей с дальнобойными ракетами, типа "Буян" с "Калибрами". Малоразмерность, скорость, мощь оружия - козыри нашего времени!
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 5 November 2015 21: 54 New
      +3
      The high seas fleet and the coastal fleet are different instruments; one cannot replace the other. Already passed in the 30s and under Khrushche, until they came to pr.11437.
    2. kepmor
      kepmor 5 November 2015 22: 42 New
      +1
      Глупость! Думаете "Калибрами" теперь всё можно решить на морском ТВД? И АУГи разгромить и ПЛАРБы потопить? Хрена-с два!
    3. kepmor
      kepmor 5 November 2015 22: 43 New
      +1
      Глупость! Думаете "Калибрами" теперь всё можно решить на морском ТВД? И АУГи разгромить и ПЛАРБы потопить? Хрена-с два!
  20. Stoler
    Stoler 5 November 2015 23: 02 New
    +3
    "Кузнецов" это конечно хорошо - но пускай правительство наконец решит нужен он или нет! Если ДА то "упакуйте" его по штату авиацией и персоналом! А если НЕ ЗНАЕТЕ ЧТО С НИМ ДЕЛАТЬ то на метал сдайте!! 20 лет корабль некомплект, сколько можно!!!!!
  21. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 5 November 2015 23: 09 New
    +1
    Yes, we need a full fleet, but we have one cruiser and a dozen coastal small ships. Although this is enough to protect the country. But in the ocean we are nobody.
    1. theodore rasp
      theodore rasp 5 November 2015 23: 37 New
      0
      Do we need him, that Ocean?
  22. atamankko
    atamankko 6 November 2015 00: 01 New
    +1
    Pilots need to be trained, it’s not so easy to fly from an aircraft carrier.
  23. Rossiyanin
    Rossiyanin 6 November 2015 00: 33 New
    0
    Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
    Какой толк от ДЭПЛ в авианосной-ударной группировке, которой нет и не будет в ближайшие 5-7 лет? Я именно в контексте АУГ написал, но 15 человек не могут в "факты и логику" и ставят минусы.

    The minus is also an estimate.
  24. Diviz
    Diviz 6 November 2015 01: 23 New
    0
    It seems like they wanted to place a 29cube on an aircraft carrier.
  25. dvg79
    dvg79 6 November 2015 05: 17 New
    0
    Can it also be based on the SU-25? Yes, and it’s better to train pilots for real goals.