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Russian manufacturers of aerial bombs operate in three shifts

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Several enterprises of the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation (“TRV”), due to an increase in the state defense order, have moved to the round-the-clock work schedule, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to the head office of the company.


Russian manufacturers of aerial bombs operate in three shifts


The corporation produces ammunition for the front-line aviation. Here, in particular, KAB-500 adjustable bombs and X-29L rockets are manufactured, which are used almost daily in Syria to strike at IS facilities.

During 3 of the week, Russian pilots in Syria destroyed the 819 objects of the Islamists. “Over the past week, 363 facilities were destroyed, including 71 command post and communications center, 10 factories and workshops for the production of explosives, 30 various fuel stocks, ammunition and property, 252 strong points, fortified areas and field camps of terrorists”, - the newspaper quotes the words of the representative of the Ministry of Defense Igor Konashenkov.
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  1. Penetrator
    Penetrator 27 October 2015 08: 57
    64
    At normal rates, ammunition with an expiring shelf life is being disposed of. Well and, accordingly, replenishment of arsenals with new smile
    1. starriuy
      starriuy 27 October 2015 09: 00
      15 th
      And what will they utilize, new missiles? ...
      1. Penetrator
        Penetrator 27 October 2015 09: 11
        11
        Quote: starriuy
        And what will they utilize, new missiles? ...

        And you do not understand what I mean by "disposal"? Okay, let's say "practical disposal" smile
        1. starriuy
          starriuy 27 October 2015 09: 21
          +6
          This news was yesterday, but yesterday they neglected me for it, and today they’re URAC ... and today they’ll be gone ... UR comrades ...
          1. Rusich is not from Kiev
            Rusich is not from Kiev 27 October 2015 12: 19
            +6
            Quote: starriuy
            This news was yesterday, but yesterday they neglected me for it, and today they’re URAC ... and today they’ll be gone ... UR comrades ...

            You got it right. You wrote nonsense then. We have bombs in the warehouses of dofi.ha and more. Whether they bomb or not depends on the delivery during these bombs.
            You wanted to convince here that bombs from factories were sent directly to Syria. High-precision can be, but only 20% of the total number use them there. KAB-500 is the same ordinary babakh which is incalculable in warehouses.
            1. starriuy
              starriuy 27 October 2015 12: 52
              -4
              Due to the growing need for the military to supply arms for conducting an operation in Syria, the Tactical Missile Weapons corporation went to work in three shifts, a source in the military-industrial complex reports - read the respected source and it clearly says: FOR CONDUCTING A MILITARY OPERATION IN SYRIA ...
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          2. Xergey
            Xergey 27 October 2015 15: 21
            +1
            You are minus not Urya comrade how you write, and those who read and understand what is written, in yesterday’s comment you wrote almost the same thing, so do not be offended, but just understand what you wrote.
        2. Phantom Revolution
          Phantom Revolution 27 October 2015 10: 36
          +5
          Quote: Penetrator
          At normal rates, ammunition with an expiring shelf life is being disposed of. Well and, accordingly, replenishment of arsenals with new smile

          It’s good that they work, BUT since the factory works in 3 shifts for such a small group, the deal with production capacities is clearly not so hot. What will happen if the grouping is increased by 2-3 times? (I understand that here most likely there is a replenishment of warehouses) or (old ammunition cannot be disposed of in Syria, but use new ones) if the 2 option, then with an increase in intensity and grouping, will not be able to provide the operation with ammunition.
          1. Rusich is not from Kiev
            Rusich is not from Kiev 27 October 2015 12: 20
            +4
            Yeah, all to the front. You can find out, and those hundreds of millions of tons left from the USSR where did they divide? Have you drunk?
            1. glasha3032
              glasha3032 27 October 2015 13: 34
              -7
              In Afghanistan, everything was used; in 87-88, bombs were coming straight from factories to airfields.
              1. Rusich is not from Kiev
                Rusich is not from Kiev 28 October 2015 02: 54
                0
                Oh my god, some kind of ido That is, then attack NATO, but then we don’t have bombs?)))
        3. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 28 October 2015 00: 33
          0
          Recycling not bombs, but militants ..
          Quote: Penetrator
          Quote: starriuy
          And what will they utilize, new missiles? ...

          And you do not understand what I mean by "disposal"? Okay, let's say "practical disposal" smile
      2. nemec55
        nemec55 27 October 2015 09: 18
        12
        And what will they utilize, new missiles? ...

        No, of course, there is a replacement for a new old. Tobish old in a new business at the warehouse.
      3. theadenter
        theadenter 27 October 2015 09: 24
        +8
        New missiles to us they enter service, and the old ones are "disposed of" in Syria. laughing
        1. sancho
          sancho 27 October 2015 10: 42
          +5
          That's for sure! I "cried" when the old ammunition was destroyed at the test sites ..., then I still thought that they would be "peacefully". One "inventor" invented how to dispose of "Gradovskie" charges. Vertically set the charges in a crowd of warheads down, and activated, how much pancake! to the wind disposed of. They would now go to Syria ...

          And, of course, it is optimally and with good efficiency ... and Assad also helps us with recycling.
          1. theadenter
            theadenter 27 October 2015 11: 03
            +6
            And do not forget that this is an invaluable practice for bomber crews.
          2. mvg
            mvg 27 October 2015 11: 19
            +2
            Is it okay that the old ammunition could explode in the wrong place? For example under an airplane wing? Or on the "Grad" guide
            1. theadenter
              theadenter 27 October 2015 14: 33
              +3
              So it is necessary to drop bombs not with an expired period, but with an expiring one. The duration of the ammunition is not just taken from the ceiling. It implies a guaranteed resource of ammunition, under conditions of its proper storage.
      4. Victor-M
        Victor-M 27 October 2015 09: 29
        +2
        Quote: starriuy
        And what will they utilize, new missiles? ...

        I heard a ring, but does not know where he is. Read the comments to the end. I will highlight specifically for you starriuy
        At normal rates, ammunition with an expiring shelf life is being disposed of. Well, accordingly, replenishment of arsenals with new
        1. starriuy
          starriuy 27 October 2015 09: 35
          -3
          This is already a corrected comment, the first one was slightly different ... something like this: ,, Well, we are disposing of ammunition, Therefore, I commented sarcastically: new missiles? ... So call here you ..
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          2. V.ic
            V.ic 27 October 2015 10: 09
            +4
            Quote: starriuy
            Therefore, I commented sarcastically: new missiles? ... So call

            Better such a "disposal" of new missiles than under Moishe Mecheny using the detonation-launch method (to the delight of the striped observers).
          3. AnpeL
            AnpeL 27 October 2015 10: 30
            +2
            you are hooked on this word "utilization" expressed in the first post, but in general the essence of the article is not about
      5. Rom14
        Rom14 27 October 2015 10: 22
        -1
        Turn off the fool .. if the understander is not in the ass ...
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      7. insafufa
        insafufa 27 October 2015 10: 41
        10
        Well, what we were chirping yesterday was this infa refuted by representatives of the united missile corporation. They said that the factories were loaded with an increase in order of only 10% and this was not enough for three work shifts, while the conveyor was only loaded at 60%, there was still a reserve for increasing production. when you consider that most of the factories did not work full time.

        So Komersant bullshit again lied

        And gentlemen, for our army of a warrior in Syria, it’s not burdensome, we spend much more ammunition in sudden inspections than in ISIS bombing

        and they say that the planned rotation of the military from Syria will soon begin, everyone needs to fly and gain experience
      8. Constructor1
        Constructor1 27 October 2015 10: 44
        -4
        For 3 weeks, Russian pilots in Syria destroyed 819 objects of Islamists. "


        Well, yes, yes, yes, the first thousand missiles are over, we need to do new laughing
        1. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 27 October 2015 11: 51
          +1
          Replenishment of the current shortage. Simple practice.
      9. Juborg
        Juborg 27 October 2015 12: 14
        +2
        Dispose of old bombs. Watch the video and you will see. Bombs with elements of corrosion and rust, but this does not reduce their power. And such disposal is reasonable and more profitable and safe (for us). And basically, thinking NUR increased production OR STILL "CALIBERS"? Who will tell us, then it is a state secret.
      10. Xergey
        Xergey 27 October 2015 15: 17
        0
        starriuy you either pretend or you really don’t understand (it’s polite), it is written in Russian as a substitute for the used one, a strategic reserve is being produced.
    2. maxiban
      maxiban 27 October 2015 09: 01
      +2
      Much work remains to be done. This is the beginning.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 27 October 2015 09: 05
        +3
        Russian manufacturers of aerial bombs operate in three shifts

        It turns out that Khrushchev was right: "We stamp missiles like sausages"? But I just can't understand one thing: haven’t gotten rid of manual assembly yet, or in this case, otherwise?
        1. Arh
          Arh 27 October 2015 09: 09
          +2
          I think that we need to open a couple more factories for shells, bombs, missiles, just in case!
          1. sherp2015
            sherp2015 27 October 2015 09: 19
            +2
            Quote: Arh
            I think that we need to open a couple more factories for shells, bombs, missiles, just in case!

            Do not forget about the opening of thousands of factories for the production of domestic products, in order to create jobs and ensure independence from imports ...
            1. DenZ
              DenZ 27 October 2015 09: 27
              0
              But bombs and missiles are not domestic products? Not?
              1. Drmadfisher
                Drmadfisher 27 October 2015 10: 26
                0
                Well, in addition to the military-industrial complex, there are also agricultural and other industries
              2. Vladimir 1964
                Vladimir 1964 27 October 2015 11: 03
                +1
                Quote: DenZ
                But bombs and missiles are not domestic products? Not?


                As it is not domestic, Dear Denis, of course, domestic, and especially good for import substitution. laughing
                1. DenZ
                  DenZ 27 October 2015 13: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimir 1964
                  As it is not domestic, Dear Denis, of course, domestic, and especially good for import substitution.

                  Yes, I snapped. Our bombs and missiles are sold all over the world and by no means for rubles. But in the light of recent events, we ourselves really need it.
          2. varov14
            varov14 27 October 2015 09: 44
            0
            So can some wheels be attached to old bombs? On the other hand, the Syrian government gave the green light to the bombing and, well, the Wali would only explode louder.
            1. Black Colonel
              Black Colonel 27 October 2015 10: 13
              0
              So can some wheels be attached to old bombs?
              There was infa that the Americans upgraded their free-falling bombs by installing rudders instead of fixed stabilizers. Cheaper than the new QABs. I don’t have any information about the combat effectiveness of such alterations.
              1. Rom14
                Rom14 27 October 2015 10: 35
                +1
                During the year of the American bombing with such bombs, the number of territories captured by bandits in Syria has increased hundreds of times ..
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        2. hydrox
          hydrox 27 October 2015 09: 19
          +4
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          still not got rid of manual assembly, or in this case, otherwise in any way?


          In the photo there are not bombs, but rockets, there you can’t do without melee, but where can I get the installers?
          There is also a problem with bombs: in order to turn a simple FAB-500, stored in arsenals since WWII, into a KAB-500 (not a very complicated and rather inexpensive operation), fitters are needed again, but they also don’t lie on the road.
          1. Hey
            Hey 27 October 2015 10: 58
            0
            There was information that bombs from the time of the Second World War were still picked up during the Agan war.
          2. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 27 October 2015 11: 05
            0
            Quote: hydrox
            There is also a problem with bombs: to turn a simple FAB-500, stored in arsenals from the Second World War, into a KAB-500 (not a very complicated and rather inexpensive operation

            And you, Dear hydrox, are already a wizard, or are you just learning?

            Somehow, a colleague with WWII bombs, you obviously went too far. repeat
        3. varov14
          varov14 27 October 2015 09: 38
          0
          So the bunker with branched moves is manually made, so that individual manual work requires the same painstaking answer.
        4. veksha50
          veksha50 27 October 2015 09: 38
          +6
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          still not got rid of manual assembly, or in this case, otherwise in any way?



          Have you tried to imagine the assembly of a "smart" rocket, from the beginning to the end of the assembly cycle, produced by automatic robots ???

          Too specific products to put on the stream ...

          PS Aircraft, strategic missiles - the same thing, almost all by hand ... And, as I understand it, not only with us ....
        5. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 27 October 2015 11: 52
          +1
          All countries do it manually.
        6. Afotin
          Afotin 27 October 2015 12: 00
          0
          Aerial bomb - a disposable device and quite expensive. Manual assembly by skilled workers can significantly simplify the quality control of the final product.
    3. venzim
      venzim 27 October 2015 09: 04
      11
      Now our turn has come to work on the front.
      Our grandfathers, be proud of us!
      1. Col.
        Col. 27 October 2015 09: 53
        +8
        Quote: venzim
        Now our turn has come to work on the front.


        Is THIS the front? Do not compare the GREAT DOMESTIC, in which 30 million (!) Died, with a local mess far beyond the hill. And for the sake of this microflora our factories are already working around the clock ?! And what will happen in case of unleashing a full-scale war on our (God forbid!) Territory? Hundreds of defense plants have been sold and plundered in 20 years, and now they are proud of round-the-clock work ... First, the defense industry needs to be brought to a level that ensures the satisfaction of ALL the needs (peacetime and wartime) of the Armed Forces, and only after that, start shaking your biceps, strategists, eprst. Study military history and the works of the classics, gentlemen of the uryakalka in power, so as not to get into the crotch. Now they are rapidly making a fetish out of the army, turning it into a national idea (there are no other ideas, except for the enrichment of the oligarchs) in order to distract the people from the true problems created by the mediocre bourgeois power. And it turns out well. Look how many enthusiastic exclamations, articles and reviews are everywhere, enthusiastically praising the leader. "We are the coolest, we have the best rockets," etc. I agree, our rockets and something else are really great! But! Nobody needs us with our missiles and tanks, no one is going to fight with us! We are simply quietly and imperceptibly squeezed ECONOMICALLY. And THIS people, in the opinion of the authorities, should not understand, hence all this propaganda tinsel with steepness ... And by the number of minuses to this post of mine, let's see how successfully the authorities are processing their electorate.
        1. Penetrator
          Penetrator 27 October 2015 09: 59
          +5
          Quote: Colonel
          which killed 30 million (!)

          Thirty? Are you sure? Something we have is growing every year the number of dead in World War II and injured by Stalinist repression. It soon turns out that we had neither grandfathers nor grandmothers - the entire population of the Soviet Union plagued Hitler and Stalin. And we sinners must have been thrown from another planet
          1. Col.
            Col. 27 October 2015 10: 07
            +4
            Quote: Penetrator
            Thirty? Are you sure?


            "The death of one person is a tragedy. The death of millions is statistics." There is no exact data. There was once a figure of 20 million, 26, somewhere I even saw 36 ... That's not the point. Our fathers and grandfathers have experienced the greatest tragedy, this is the main thing. And they restored everything in 15 years! And they not only restored, but made a colossal leap in everything: science, industry, nuclear energy ... And what has been done in the same 15 years with the current well-fed irremovable power? Raised a hundred billionaires? Chasing oil and gas over the hill? After all, nothing else is bought from us, except for military equipment of Soviet design ...
            1. Stena
              Stena 27 October 2015 10: 32
              +1
              Quote: Colonel
              No exact data

              Research and archive work for whom? To make it dust on the shelves? There are data, including unborn children. If you do not know for sure - then do not write - do not mislead the people.
              Quote: Colonel
              And what has been done over the same 15 years with the current well-fed snickering irremovable power?

              As my friend says - "this year is worse than the previous one, but better than the future" ... =))
              You can improve - improve, but you can’t - do not panic - sit on the priest exactly - eat bread and butter - enjoy life ....
              1. Col.
                Col. 27 October 2015 11: 40
                +2
                Quote: Stena
                Research and archive work for whom? To make it dust on the shelves? There are data, including unborn children. If you do not know for sure - then do not write - do not mislead the people.


                My grandfather is still missing. And there are tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people like him! And no "research" here, unfortunately, will help ... If you know for sure, expert, then write!
            2. Penetrator
              Penetrator 27 October 2015 11: 46
              +3
              Quote: Colonel
              And what has been done over the same 15 years with the current well-fed snickering irremovable power?

              Why don't you mention the previous nine years? Then there was no "well-fed irremovable power"? Were there exceptionally light elves pooping with butterflies? It was then that nothing was definitely done, only they destroyed and sold the country for a pittance. They destroyed the economic potential of the state, including the defense one. How did Chubais say there? They were "effective owners", yeah. Have been effective ...
            3. Karabanov
              Karabanov 27 October 2015 14: 02
              +1
              Quote: Colonel
              There was once a figure of 20 million, 26, somewhere I even saw 36 ...

              Take more. Some historians bring this figure to 50! (I came across such information). I am inclined to consider that the figure of 30 million is more approximate to reality. The total losses in the region of 27 million are officially recognized, but it is clear that it is impossible to make a real account of all losses, especially of the civilian population. And every year through the forests they discover the remains of dead soldiers and various graves, which replenish the list of the fallen.
          2. hydrox
            hydrox 27 October 2015 10: 08
            0
            Quote: Penetrator
            And we sinners must have been thrown from another planet


            Do not argue with the liberal - it is useless, he will still troll!
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        2. V.ic
          V.ic 27 October 2015 10: 27
          +4
          Quote: Colonel
          this micro

          ... half of Europe is filled with refugees ...
          Quote: Colonel
          hundreds of defense plants have been sacked in 20 years, and now they are proud of round-the-clock work ..

          Yes, they are not proud, but rejoice that at least something works!
          Quote: Colonel
          Nobody needs us with our missiles and tanks,

          Even Bashar ibn Hafezu?
          Quote: Colonel
          nobody is going to fight with us!

          Well, yes, NATO’s teachings are just such a carnival, well, think you’ve experienced a missile defense ... ???
          Quote: Colonel
          by the number of minuses to this post of mine, let's see how successfully the government processes its electorate.

          At the moment, you have a rating of 1 to 4 (plus). Generally speaking, the "electorate" is a "voter", if in Russian, but here, basically: retirees, vaults and the "jackets" who have joined them.
          1. Col.
            Col. 27 October 2015 11: 17
            -2
            Quote: V.ic
            You currently have 1 to 4 rating (plus)


            I am not a boy and I do not care about these ratings. The truth is dearer to me.
            1. V.ic
              V.ic 27 October 2015 12: 11
              +3
              Quote: Colonel
              I do not care about these ratings.

              Quote: Colonel
              And by the number of minuses to this my post, let's see

              And who is here number of cons interested in?
              1. Col.
                Col. 27 October 2015 12: 37
                -1
                Quote: V.ic
                And who is interested in the number of cons?

                This is me for clarity to those who are interested, as a criterion for assessing the "balance of interests".
          2. Penetrator
            Penetrator 27 October 2015 11: 35
            +1
            Quote: V.ic
            Generally speaking, the "electorate" is a "voter", if in Russian, but here, mainly: retirees, vaults and the "jackets" that joined them

            That is, you do not consider us as voters - we will put whoever you want "on the tsar", without any democracy? laughing
            1. V.ic
              V.ic 27 October 2015 12: 07
              0
              Quote: Penetrator
              You don’t consider us as voters - we will put whoever you want on our own.

              The great helmsman wisely said (according to the translators): "the rifle gives rise to power." Give me back my first AG6761 or second AO1320 and 10 packs of cartridges! The same staff members have a saying that "God created people, and Samuel Colt made them equal."
        3. dauria
          dauria 27 October 2015 11: 00
          +2
          . Now they are rapidly making a fetish out of the army, turning it into a national idea (there are no other ideas besides enriching the oligarchs) in order to distract the people from the true problems created by the inept bourgeois authorities.


          E-he-he ... It remains to add the slogan "about the defeat of your government in the imperialist war." I'm not giving you a minus, because everything is correct. But I don’t know HOW to build socialism. Moses dragged the Jews for 40 years, waited for the slave generation to die out. Our 35 years dragged through until the communists are killed. I don't believe in "gifted" bourgeois power. They will paddle for themselves until something happens. From inside or outside the country ...
        4. Hey
          Hey 27 October 2015 11: 07
          0
          In the event of war, everything will quickly switch to military rails.
          There is a mobilization plan for each enterprise.
          A military representative and an enterprise will arrive in a day - two will switch to the production of military products. Who will sabotage this process will be publicly shot according to the laws of war. Of course this is an extreme case, but the military representative will have enough leverage.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 27 October 2015 13: 04
            +1
            In the event of war, everything will quickly switch to military rails.
            There is a mobilization plan for each enterprise.


            Have you read this in "Soviet newspapers"? Then it was. And now it will be just like in WWI - a rifle, but at exorbitant prices, but tomorrow and after 200% advance payment.
        5. Karabanov
          Karabanov 27 October 2015 13: 52
          +1
          Quote: Colonel
          Is this the front? Do not compare the GREAT PATRIOTIC in which 30 million (!) Were lost with a local mess behind the hill. And for the sake of this micro-camera, our factories are already working around the clock ?!

          Plus. And for other reasons I agree.
          I once already gave an example of how NATO bombed Libya. A week later, some European armies allegedly screamed - there were no shells, the missiles were over ... And that’s it, Repin’s picture. What are they thinking of fighting? It is clear that without America they are nobody.
          I would not want to think that we have the same situation. There are successes, but there is plenty of excessive bravado.
      2. V.ic
        V.ic 27 October 2015 10: 12
        +1
        Quote: venzim
        Our grandfathers, be proud of us!

        Judging by the picture, grandmothers should be proud, not grandfathers.
      3. Stelth1985
        Stelth1985 27 October 2015 11: 15
        0
        You have a strange understanding of pride. Compare x * r with a finger!
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 27 October 2015 12: 08
          0
          Quote: Stelth1985
          You have a strange understanding of pride.

          Find the "grandfathers" in the picture.
    4. Now we are free
      Now we are free 27 October 2015 09: 10
      +9
      I wonder how many hundreds of tons of bombs (from the ISX) were disposed of by recycling from frost in Syria? In any case, this is better than destroying the giant reserves stored in our warehouses for no reason.
      Triple benefit:
      bombs / missiles disposed of
      - the interests of the country are defended / "Live" advertising of the Russian armament is being held
      pilots get invaluable practical experience.

      The fleet of air-to-ground missiles and aerial bombs is being updated both in-CX and in saturation of our VKS-VO group, which cannot but rejoice, + as new jobs for producing bombs and missiles at Russian enterprises are loaded / appear as a bonus.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 27 October 2015 09: 19
        11
        I do not know whether to rejoice or not. It turns out that a month of intensive bombing depletes our missile-bomb weapons so quickly (I’ll remind you that we have about 750 military aircraft (fighters, bombers, attack aircraft), about 40 units are involved in Syria, it’s scary to imagine how long missiles and bombs last if you use all the planes, probably for 12 hours or a day maximum) that it was necessary to load the plants in three shifts (and what’s most interesting where did the personnel for the third shift find?).
        1. DenZ
          DenZ 27 October 2015 09: 31
          +3
          Not the fact that all of this (about switching to the 3rd shift due to Syria) is not a duck. They began to work more. But is it because of Syria ?. For example, I know defense enterprises that before Syria plowed in 3 shifts and nothing ...
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        3. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 27 October 2015 09: 41
          +2
          ..... I do not know whether to rejoice or not ....


          ..... Do not bother ..... According to some information, the supply of fairly old, but quite suitable for these purposes X-25 reaches about 25 thousand pieces .... I think it will be enough for an operation in Syria .... And they will be replaced by the X-29 .... hi
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 27 October 2015 13: 03
            0
            These 25000 missiles have probably already been disposed of at the end of their shelf life with guided bombs, the same nonsense, and we purchase several hundreds of guided missiles and bombs a year.
        4. Moore
          Moore 27 October 2015 09: 44
          +1
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          It turns out a month of intensive bombing so quickly depletes our missile and bomb weapons

          I suppose it's just logistics. Ammunition is delivered to the end user through a system of arsenals and factory warehouses.
          If the replenishment of the part’s warehouse takes place from the arsenal, then the next hole must also be replenished - from the factory.
          And three shifts are not from the intensity of consumption, but from the production capacities of the enterprise. IMHO, of course.
        5. Bourgeois
          Bourgeois 27 October 2015 09: 48
          +2
          I do not know whether to rejoice or not

          Rejoice.
          Nobody said that stockpiles were depleted. It was just that increased attention was paid to adjustable and high-precision munitions. A team followed to increase their production. In Syria, it’s not a situation where you can carry out carpet bombing, there is no front line there, the work is targeted.
        6. AndreyS
          AndreyS 27 October 2015 17: 58
          0
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          It turns out that a month of intensive bombing depletes our missile-bomb weapons so quickly (I’ll remind you that we have about 750 military aircraft (fighters, bombers, attack aircraft), about 40 units are involved in Syria, it’s scary to imagine how long missiles and bombs last if you use all the planes, probably for 12 hours or a day maximum) that it was necessary to load the plants in three shifts (and what’s most interesting where did the personnel for the third shift find?).

          Well, what are you, dear lieutenant of the Air Force reserve, are you talking about nonsense ?! Excuse me, of course, for the words, but what has eclipsed your mind ?! If you are a lieutenant of the Air Force reserve, you should know how much weapons and ammunition are stored in the AU warehouses in units, and how many in the district ones. (well, do not know, but at least hear from the edge of your ear). And now think about the news, about working in three shifts at an enterprise producing high-precision ammunition, you yourself are not interested in why such news was thrown into the Internet ?! By the way, reading the comments that some highly respected people write, you start to wonder how many "naive Yakut girls" we have who don’t know a damn about economics, not in military affairs, not in government, not in politics, but they express deeply professional opinion!
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 27 October 2015 09: 25
        +7
        Quote: Now we are free
        I wonder how many hundreds of tons of bombs (from the ISX) were disposed of by disposing of the frosts in Syria? In any case, this is better than destroying the giant reserves stored in our warehouses for no reason.

        Mostly not new free-falling bombs, delivered there back in Soviet times, are used in the SAR.
        As the knowledgeable people say - guided aviation ammunition used with the Su-34 from the "export portfolio" of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation.
      3. hydrox
        hydrox 27 October 2015 09: 56
        +1
        Quote: Now we are free
        how many hundreds of tons of bombs (with ISH) were disposed of

        This is easy to calculate (of course, approximately):
        1. Su-24: Bomb load - 7tn.
        2. Su-25 - Bomb load - 5tn.
        3. Su-34 - Bomb load - 8tn.
        Only 30 vehicles, of which 18 are bombers, 12 attack aircraft
        We take 0,6 bomb load (the remaining nodes are occupied by missiles).
        We get 4.5 tons for bomber load, 3 tons for attack aircraft. We average the bomb load over attack aircraft and bombers (since the number of sorties by type of aircraft (and there are about 1000 in total) is not known), we get 4 tons of bombs per departure.
        In total, only 4000 tons of bombs were unloaded on the Ishilovites, not counting the missiles and what the turntables had thrown. In real life, there will be more, since the combat radius was small, and the bombers worked from a great height in the absence of air defense.
        1. Stena
          Stena 27 October 2015 10: 35
          +2
          Quote: hydrox
          This is easy to calculate (of course, approximately):
          1. Su-24: Bomb load - 7tn.
          2. Su-25 - Bomb load - 5tn.
          3. Su-34 - Bomb load - 8tn.

          This is the maximum load. They never take so much - never take off or a very small radius of combat use. If you want more accurate data - you need to consult the "Ancient".
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 27 October 2015 13: 09
            +1
            If you want more accurate data - you need to consult the "Ancient".


            From experience, I don't recommend it. The answer will be in the style of "what 5 tons, we don't have new bombs for 3 tons, but the old ones in warehouses are rusted." And a smiley hi . To criticize is, yes.
        2. glasha3032
          glasha3032 27 October 2015 13: 47
          0
          If you paid attention to the video of the starting planes, then the Su-24 usually carries 2 or 500 or 4 250 kg each, the Su-25 carries a pair of 250 kg or 4 NAR containers and no more. Up to 7-8 tons they never load - the aircraft are old and the resource is almost exhausted
      4. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 27 October 2015 11: 12
        +1
        Quote: Now we are free
        In any case, this is better than destroying the giant reserves stored in our warehouses for no reason.

        Iskander, Dear, what are you talking about? Apply only those means of destruction that have not "matured" the established shelf life. Everything else will be disposed of in the old-fashioned way. Although somehow on TV a broadcast about the development in Russia of a non-explosive method of disposing of ammunition slipped through.

        Something like that, Dear, regulation, however. hi
      5. Georgovi4
        Georgovi4 27 October 2015 11: 54
        0
        Another benefit is that the "utilization" is not at our expense.
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    6. Bongo
      Bongo 27 October 2015 09: 20
      +3
      Quote: Penetrator
      At normal rates, ammunition with an expiring shelf life is being disposed of.

      The problem is that there are not so many of these munitions for arming front-line aviation. For example, in the 08.08 war. the share of guided aviation weapons used was almost 6 times less than in the 1 Chechen. And this is taking into account the fact that X-58 anti-radar missiles were not used in Chechnya.
      1. Penetrator
        Penetrator 27 October 2015 09: 35
        0
        Quote: Bongo
        For example, in the war 08.08. the proportion of guided aviation weapons used was almost 6 times less than in the 1st Chechen one.

        Invalid comparison. How much time went b / d in Chechnya and how much in Georgia / South Ossetia? Regarding the number of sorties, you need to compare, not the actual cost.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 27 October 2015 09: 39
          +2
          Quote: Penetrator
          Invalid comparison. How much time went b / d in Chechnya and how much in Georgia / South Ossetia? Regarding the number of sorties, you need to compare, not the actual cost.

          Why is it not correct? what Given the transience of the conflict in Georgia, the proportion of precision munitions should have been greater than in the protracted conflict in Chechnya. However, in the 2 Chechen region the proportion of guided aviation weapons used was 2 times less than in the first.

          As you can see from the picture - "trend however".
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    8. varov14
      varov14 27 October 2015 09: 32
      +3
      Our utilization takes place in exploding warehouses, the national treasure of our government is total "management".
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 27 October 2015 09: 37
        +2
        Quote: varov14
        Our utilization takes place in exploding warehouses, the national treasure of our government is total "management".

        Artillery shells, a rocket or a bomb exploded in warehouses (a detonator is installed before a combat mission) cannot accidentally explode in a warehouse.
    9. marlin1203
      marlin1203 27 October 2015 10: 05
      +1
      This is all good. Only one question warns that there are no air ammunition in stock depots, since the conveyor was empty around the clock? Or 25 planes for a week all stocks from storage chosen? Unclear. soldier
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    11. Mera joota
      Mera joota 27 October 2015 10: 22
      -1
      Quote: Penetrator
      Expiring ammunition with an expiring shelf life is normal

      And you are not afraid of the size of the available TSA volumes? In less than a month, when using a minimum of military vehicles, the arsenal was emptied by so much that it takes three shifts to plow in order to make up for it. What's so good ...
      1. Penetrator
        Penetrator 27 October 2015 11: 29
        -1
        Quote: Mera Joota
        In less than a month, when using a minimum of military vehicles, the arsenal was emptied by so much that it takes three shifts to plow in order to make up for it. What's good is that.

        In fact, my post was more playful than serious. What good? Nothing if the situation is really like that. It only seems to me that they simply found additional funds for the production of this type of ammunition.
    12. Greyjojo
      Greyjojo 27 October 2015 13: 24
      0
      Before yelling something "urapatriotic", understand the issue.
      Syria uses new ammunition. Soviet stocks expired at the end of 2000.
      So "everything is fine" works from the wheels "
    13. Greyjojo
      Greyjojo 27 October 2015 13: 24
      0
      Before yelling something "urapatriotic", understand the issue.
      Syria uses new ammunition. Soviet stocks expired at the end of 2000.
      So "everything is fine" works from the wheels "
  2. Россия 24
    Россия 24 27 October 2015 08: 59
    +3
    The workers will have a lot of work, I hope they will be awarded prizes in monetary terms.
  3. Tor5
    Tor5 27 October 2015 08: 59
    +3
    Well done! The main thing is that bombs are torn to shreds by bandits, and not funnels are made at landfills, although this is also necessary.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 October 2015 09: 00
    +2
    And people got somewhere, in three shifts! It's not to unload bricks from the stove. One wrong move from a hangover, and the workshop is in heaven. And do not say that the handling of modern explosives is absolutely safe, and the fuses are stored separately ... And rocket fuel?
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 27 October 2015 09: 08
      +7
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      people scored somewhere, in three shifts


      It would be happy :: people earn, and unemployment decreases, and domestic consumption grows (the budget is replenished!), And this machine-building plant managed to get 3 shifts for the people.
      But not everywhere: the whole of Izhevsk is sealed with advertisements like "required" across the entire machine-building spectrum (from turners ...), but they have already cleaned up pensioners for half a shift, but still not enough ...
      Well, office mold does not want to go to the creators!
      And rocket fuel is supplied to the assembly in finished glasses (it is also solid (plasticine-like))
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 27 October 2015 10: 25
        +1
        Well, office mold does not want to go to the creators!
        If the salary in the office and in the workshop is comparable, then what's the point of going to a noisy and dusty workshop, if you can earn the same, and possibly more, money in a quiet, cool office? Motivation should be.
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 27 October 2015 10: 51
          +1
          It is not only not "comparable", it is much smaller, sometimes at times. In addition, working in the office, you actually do not risk anything, except that the bosses who got up, today, "on the wrong foot", but working in the shop, are responsible for your work not only with a ruble (they are fined now, shamelessly, for any blunder, not to mention marriage), but you can get injured by your health.
  5. volot-voin
    volot-voin 27 October 2015 09: 00
    +3
    That is a plus for the economy. Our workers will earn money even. We in St. Petersburg at the Morozovsky plant pray for Putin.
    1. Karabanov
      Karabanov 27 October 2015 14: 13
      +1
      Quote: volot-voin
      That is a plus for the economy. Our workers will earn money even. We in St. Petersburg at the Morozovsky plant pray for Putin.

      Believe it is not so everywhere. YuMZ in the Kemerovo region (once a defense plant), in places resembles scenes from the movie "Stalker" by Tarkovsky.
      1. dauria
        dauria 28 October 2015 01: 02
        0
        in places it resembles scenes from the movie "Stalker" by Tarkovsky.


        No, we have carefully "preserved". And the shop is jokingly called "Nursing Home". smile Actually, the 70-year-old grandfather, who is slowly shuffling from the smoking room to one of the few working machines, does not care, he is sharpened by a "leftist" for a small bribe, everything from an old woman is a stash. laughing And then bravo yelling- mob reserve, military representative of all ears. Whom? Who are you going to plow on? The filly died. And foals are too thoroughbred and nimble, fasting fast.
  6. papont64
    papont64 27 October 2015 09: 00
    +2
    A good opportunity to test production in real combat.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 27 October 2015 09: 48
      +1
      Quote: papont64
      A good opportunity to test production in real combat.



      More precisely, to test the transfer of industry on a military track ... Restore the bunch that was actually destroyed ...
  7. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 27 October 2015 09: 03
    +8
    In addition, these are good "courses for improving" the skills of our pilots and logisticians. With the proper organization of the rotation, you can raise the level of combat use and gain unique experience for many units. Good luck, guys!
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 27 October 2015 09: 12
      +5
      Good experience and a good step in the career ladder :: after completing the "courses", send it out to squadron commanders in parts - here's a retraining with the transfer of combat experience without interrupting service!
  8. ZAGOD
    ZAGOD 27 October 2015 09: 04
    0
    Where did they get the workers?
    1. mag nit
      mag nit 27 October 2015 09: 14
      +1
      Gastara from Khokhlostan ...
  9. mamont5
    mamont5 27 October 2015 09: 12
    +1
    Everything for the front, everything for the Victory!
  10. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 27 October 2015 09: 17
    +2
    Quote: maxiban
    Much work remains to be done. This is the beginning.


    They shot a volley of 26 missiles, well, that’s great! But after all, not some terrorists are confronting us by and large - the United States and NATO. Although they don’t have it, it’s worse, but judging by the insanity of some comrades because of the puddle, they can rush with their old stuff, very effective. Mass crushed. Reserve Rates - Strategic Rocket Forces. Kirdyk Planet ... NOT, we are not yet ready for war, but it is coming. The shepherd drives the rams to the slaughter, but humanity itself. So who is smarter - a ram or a person?
  11. Irokez
    Irokez 27 October 2015 09: 17
    +3
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    I just can’t understand one thing: they still haven’t gotten rid of manual assembly, or in this case, otherwise?

    Well this is not a cartridge factory where a cartridge is a trifle compared to a bomb. Ammunition is mass produced, and bombs in the required quantities - count in small quantities.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 27 October 2015 09: 50
      +3
      Quote: Irokez
      Cartridges then mass produce



      In Soviet times, all the lines for the production of pasta were sharpened for the production of cartridges ... Retargeted for two to three days ...
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 27 October 2015 10: 29
        +1
        In my opinion, the production of cigarettes (cigarettes) was also sharpened for readjustment for the production of 7,62 mm cartridges.
  12. cormorant
    cormorant 27 October 2015 09: 19
    +1
    Great news! And that means - additional jobs, taxes, a pension fund. Families of factory workers buy new things, furniture in their homes, and this is again taxes to the state ... Everyone is fine, except ISIS.
  13. basmach
    basmach 27 October 2015 09: 20
    +4
    If a small operation in Syria required such a sharp increase in production that the enterprise works as much as three shifts, then what will happen in a more serious conflict. Those. even a small expense forced the company to strain to the fullest. And then fight with what. All this speaks of the unpreparedness of our defense industry for a more serious conflict.
    1. theadenter
      theadenter 27 October 2015 09: 30
      +4
      Well. Syria, as a stress test of our defense, was not so useless.
      Having seen the emerging problems, now, questions will be raised to address them.
  14. theadenter
    theadenter 27 October 2015 09: 23
    +4
    In general, if the bombs for the operation in Syria end, it will be a real embarrassment.

    Some advantages: Additional shifts - more jobs. Increasing profits of defense enterprises - will lead to the modernization of production lines.
    1. Bourgeois
      Bourgeois 27 October 2015 09: 38
      +4
      When Libya was bombed, the British had problems with this))) on the third day, the Royal Air Force howled that the bombs were over)) Laughter and sin.
      Well, mother Russia is not "soyuznichki" we have this good, the box is full.
      I remember in Afghanistan, in the early 80s, aircraft used bombs at the end of the 40s, and by the year 85, there were already fresh ammunition.
      1. theadenter
        theadenter 27 October 2015 09: 47
        +1
        That's right. We not only need bombs on Syria, but also on the defense of our country, as it were. We do the right thing, that we replace the old ammunition, using them for their intended purpose.
      2. glasha3032
        glasha3032 27 October 2015 14: 00
        0
        And after 91 years there was no state order and did not produce anything for 20 years, and by now they have come with old and worn-out equipment.
      3. basmach
        basmach 27 October 2015 19: 13
        0
        This is not about simple FABs, it’s like dirt. we are talking about high-precision weapons that do not plop like aluminum spoons. A total of about 900 sorties took place, taking into account the fact that not every flight with guided munitions - consumption was unlikely to exceed 500-600 pcs. This is the work of only ONE regiment, and if 5 will work, then what?
  15. Tusv
    Tusv 27 October 2015 09: 24
    0
    Gentlemen, future Ukrainian migrant workers, it is safer to get to work through London. SBU does not sleep
  16. Mercenary
    Mercenary 27 October 2015 09: 26
    +2
    This is how industry and the economy of the country should work !!! Only it is necessary to do not only bombs. laughing
  17. BOB044
    BOB044 27 October 2015 09: 29
    +2
    Russian manufacturers of aerial bombs operate in three shifts
    The slogan at the enterprise "Comrade of more than one bomb and missile miss the target." With love from Russia for ISIL.
  18. veksha50
    veksha50 27 October 2015 09: 33
    +2
    "Here, in particular, KAB-500 corrected bombs and Kh-29L missiles are manufactured, almost daily applied in Syria for strikes on IS targets "...

    Well, and some tried to say that we use junk from arsenals ...
    True, the three-shift mode of operation also confirms the fact that this "good" is also not in abundance in the arsenals, so let them increase the pace ... So that there is enough for Syrian affairs, and they postponed it for a rainy day ...

    PS Here in the morning USA Today has already jumped into the topic of the low combat readiness of our planes located in Syria ... Well, yes, yes, something was destroyed in as many as three weeks as the Amers never dreamed of, and even that became ammunition not enough that in three shifts the production worked ...
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    2. Mera joota
      Mera joota 27 October 2015 10: 26
      -2
      Quote: veksha50
      in three weeks they destroyed as much as Amers never dreamed of

      On paper, you can destroy as many as you like, listening to the victorious broadcasts it seems that the jihadists have no soldiers, only leaders and headquarters.
  19. Seneca
    Seneca 27 October 2015 09: 33
    +2
    [quote = hydrox] [quote = Mountain shooter] they recruited people somewhere, for three shifts [/ quote]

    It would be happy :: people earn, and unemployment decreases, and domestic consumption grows (the budget is replenished!), And this machine-building plant managed to get 3 shifts for the people.
    But not everywhere: the whole of Izhevsk is sealed with advertisements like "required" across the entire machine-building spectrum (from turners ...), but they have already cleaned up pensioners for half a shift, but still not enough ...
    This is how in this way the budget is replenished in the manufacture of ammunition? Not for export. Another thing is that people have work .. and with increased demand for their products, respectively, a decent salary (I hope)
    1. 106 VDD
      106 VDD 27 October 2015 10: 00
      0
      Everything is simpler than it seems, the people in 3 shifts were not scored in all the workshops, but only in the assembly ones, the people are the same, come and go, there is a small backlog to the components. And, by the way, about the photo for the article: the missiles that are visible there are not x-29l, and this workshop, where these two friends are currently working, is actually standing. In short, the article is somehow fake, they shot a couple of weeks, and the warehouses were empty?
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 27 October 2015 10: 19
      0
      Quote: Seneca
      This is how in this way the budget is replenished in the manufacture of ammunition?

      Our tax office is not in order to answer your children's questions.
    3. Hey
      Hey 27 October 2015 11: 33
      0
      Quote: Seneca
      This is how in this way the budget is replenished in the manufacture of ammunition?


      Simple scheme: The military department pays the company money for its products. The company pays the workers - who pay the state through income tax. The company also pays to a pension fund, health insurance fund, etc.
      Further subcontractors and the same formula, though in a smaller size.
      Hence the replenishment of the budget, both local and regional.
  20. zenith
    zenith 27 October 2015 09: 33
    +5
    Quote: basmach
    .... And then fight with what. All this speaks of the unpreparedness of our defense industry for a more serious conflict.


    And who reported to you that it was straight from the assembly line to the front. Or maybe from the assembly line and back to the "storeroom". Maybe someone drew conclusions that it would not hurt to store so much for Qatar, bazaar, and other chihuar. AND?
  21. marc75
    marc75 27 October 2015 09: 39
    +4
    To be honest, it’s real in the RF Armed Forces of ammunition (with an unexpired term) for 2-3 days of intense military operations. Modern ammunition is a very complicated thing, imported components are required to master the replacement of 4-5 years, and the industry is not able to produce in large quantities, there are no specialists. I myself know the state of work in the defense industry, there are many developments, but there is no production.
    1. Trigger-Happy
      Trigger-Happy 27 October 2015 10: 48
      0
      You are absolutely correct - production has been destroyed in the bud. Syria is all toys, training, whatever you want to call it, but in reality the army will have to fight (God forbid) - AKM !!! There are many naive "patriots" here who are commenting on "how Americans run away from our dryers" and so on. etc., which do not really assess the situation, but in fact everything is very sad, on the verge of survival !!!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 October 2015 13: 06
      +1
      These missiles are completely from our components.
  22. Gray 43
    Gray 43 27 October 2015 09: 43
    +2
    And what, in Russia, there is only one such enterprise that now they are forced to organize the Stakhanov movement? And if, God forbid, war? Again "shell hunger"? How short-sighted, even if they want to build a new plant, then where to get personnel and equipment? Managers and economists will be hired, but where are the workers from, the guest workers? Workers' education was stuck under the plinth, and without it it is impossible to make "smart" and not only weapons
    1. kolyhalovs
      kolyhalovs 27 October 2015 09: 55
      0
      Quote: Gray 43
      And if, God forbid, war?


      So that’s the problem, that it’s already a war.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 October 2015 13: 10
      0
      In Ulyanovsk, the DMG plant was opened - a Russian-German joint venture producing ultramodern machines and CNC machining centers with a productivity of 1000 machines per year, so there will be no problems with the equipment.
  23. Minsker
    Minsker 27 October 2015 09: 44
    -1
    Hush hush! Old they will recycle! They themselves write that new and high-precision ammunition is used. Where is the logic, brothers, Russians?
  24. Minsker
    Minsker 27 October 2015 09: 54
    0
    Quote: Gray 43
    And what, in Russia, there is only one such enterprise that now they are forced to organize the Stakhanov movement? And if, God forbid, war? Again "shell hunger"? How short-sighted, even if they want to build a new plant, then where to get personnel and equipment? Managers and economists will be hired, but where are the workers from, the guest workers? Workers' education was stuck under the plinth, and without it it is impossible to make "smart" and not only weapons

    HERE! Gold words! Centuries pass and nothing changes with us. At first there was a lot of pathos and pride, then a loud landing in a puddle, then a long and painful getting up and a victory at a high price and millions of victims. When will they understand that the main thing is military experts and skilled engineers and hard workers and not iron. Who will do it ??
  25. Azzi
    Azzi 27 October 2015 10: 01
    0
    Yesterday it hit me the same way, they say, what kind of news, there isn’t enough ammunition, what are they switching to 3 shifts? Then the news slipped through, they say they will reduce the number of exercises in 16, while maintaining the budget because of Syria. Two similar news in one day - smacks of provocation.

    reports the Russian newspaper with reference to the head office of the company.


    The manufacturer’s website has nothing of the kind. Someone like leaked a newspaper? So it would be useful to look for this someone who is talking about the work of a sensitive enterprise.
  26. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 27 October 2015 10: 09
    0
    Well, in itself, news, yes news. But I look forward to the reaction of Western "partners" to it wink Well, the Ukrainian media especially, in porzhu laughing
  27. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 27 October 2015 10: 34
    +1
    And that there were no stocks? A month of war has passed by twenty planes and is that all? What were you going to fight in a serious case?
  28. Trigger-Happy
    Trigger-Happy 27 October 2015 10: 40
    +3
    Quote: venzim
    Our grandfathers, be proud of us!

    what to be proud of? So that in 25 years they have stolen all industry and production? Are these grandfathers proud?
  29. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 27 October 2015 10: 41
    0
    business in three shifts. do you have nothing for free?
  30. Minsker
    Minsker 27 October 2015 10: 43
    0
    If only it weren’t: there will be no shells today. Turner fell ill (
  31. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 27 October 2015 10: 43
    +1
    bomb manufacturers work in three shifts
    You give a shift at workplaces without stopping production ..!
  32. sw247
    sw247 27 October 2015 10: 53
    -1
    Everything for the front, everything for the victory ...
  33. Trigger-Happy
    Trigger-Happy 27 October 2015 10: 54
    0
    Quote: chunga-changa
    And that there were no stocks? A month of war has passed by twenty planes and is that all? What were you going to fight in a serious case?

    the trouble is that there is nothing to fight with a trained opponent, if that! The main hope of the Kremlin for a nuclear umbrella, as I see it.
  34. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 27 October 2015 11: 03
    -3
    It seems to me that if workers give out electric screwdrivers (see photo),
    then things will go faster.
    1. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta 27 October 2015 11: 19
      +1
      ..a it seems to me that on such a special safety requirements, and power tools may not be acceptable ..!
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 27 October 2015 12: 08
        +1
        Well then pneumatic ...
  35. 106 VDD
    106 VDD 4 November 2015 15: 07
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    It seems to me that if workers give out electric screwdrivers (see photo),
    then things will go faster.

    What nonsense ... And if they have a screwdriver in each hand, then probably even faster? And if not 2 people (as in the photo), but 2, and all the resources of the country can be put, then in general you can fill up all these missiles. You think it's all about build speed, seriously? !!