China revealed some of the characteristics of J-31

The Chinese aircraft manufacturer AVIC has published the characteristics of the export version of the 5 generation fighter J-31, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to China Daily.




J-31 will be adopted by the Chinese Air Force. The disclosure of the basic parameters of the export version is intended to interest potential buyers at the stage of its development.

According to data published in a Chinese newspaper, "J-31 can fly at altitudes up to 16 kilometers." This indicator is standard for light fighters, for example, the “ceiling” of the American F-16 Fighting Falcon is 15,2 thousand meters, the Russian MiG-29 - 18 thousand meters.

According to the newspaper, “the aircraft develops speed 2,2 thousands of kilometers per hour and can carry 8 tons of weapons, its combat radius is 1,2 thousands of kilometers, and the life span of 30 years.” For comparison, the upgraded MiG-29 accelerates to 2,5 thousand km / h and carries 4,5 t weapons, its combat radius is 1 thousand km (F-16 can take 7,7 tons of cargo on board, accelerate to 2,3 thousand km / h and move away from the base on 600 km).

Chinese engineers are working on a new fighter with 2010 g. This year, the testing of the J-31 version with a shortened takeoff and vertical landing began.

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  1. Lissyara 14 October 2015 16: 27 New
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    PAK FA (or rather T-50) is crafted with a "crude Chinese rasp." True cut down to the size of the MiG-29 and F-16.
    Ah, well done.
    1. ECT
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      Ours is much more beautiful
      1. NEXUS 14 October 2015 16: 49 New
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        Quote: ECT
        Ours is much more beautiful

        A strange comparison of the 5th generation LFI (conditionally!) With a 80-generation fighter built in the 4s. At the same time, our Migar is second only in armament and slightly in range to the Chinese. We will have a fifth generation LFI (which is being developed by Mikoyan residents), then we will compare it.
        1. Mhpv 14 October 2015 17: 15 New
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          Quote: NEXUS
          At the same time, our migrant is second only in armament and slightly in range to the Chinese.

          Even the take-off was not impressive, like the take-off of Mig 29. It struck all Western experts, and then they generally showed that it can fly straight and rotate, well, let out the landing gear and land. Where are the aerobatics, if you are advertising the 5 generation, but it's just a resource , maybe they learned to copy electronics, but high-strength materials with a long resource, oh, just take any of their equipment cheaply and beautifully, but keep the service center at hand.
          1. ankir13 17 October 2015 15: 53 New
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            In fact, IT flew, even did the boxes, turned a bit in the sky, did not fall, and even sat down at the end itself ... But who can’t do that now? Well, just like AN 2, just a little faster, so what? Or is this the first test flight to test take-off and landing?
        2. Firstvanguard 14 October 2015 17: 39 New
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          Quote: NEXUS
          A strange comparison of the 5th generation LFI (conditionally!) With a 80-generation fighter built in the 4s. At the same time, our Migar is second only in armament and slightly in range to the Chinese. We will have a fifth generation LFI (which is being developed by Mikoyan residents), then we’ll compare

          What’s strange, pay attention to the smoky plume of engines, which is very characteristic for engines of the RD-33 family, for those who don’t know, this is the engine of the MIG-29/35 family of aircraft, and they are compared with them wink
          1. Vladimir 1964 14 October 2015 20: 52 New
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            Quote: Firstvanguard
            What’s strange, pay attention to the smoky plume of engines, which is very characteristic for engines of the RD-33 family, for those who don’t know, this is the engine of the MIG-29/35 family of aircraft, and they are compared with them


            Ivan, and the Chinese engines are the number one problem, so you can be quite
            are right. hi
            1. Firstvanguard 17 October 2015 19: 49 New
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              Quote: Vladimir 1964
              Ivan, and the Chinese engines are the number one problem, so you can be quite
              are right. hi

              Thank you colleague yes hi
        3. bayard 15 October 2015 08: 17 New
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          Chinese hackers licked all those. documentation for the F-35, adapted the fuselage for the engines from the MiG-29, got rid of the excessive bloat of the fuselage (due to the fan of a pregnant penguin) and got a very decent airplane ala 5- generation. But what is the wing load? Kokov in piloting?
        4. Alexey-74 15 October 2015 10: 50 New
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          To be honest, not much take off and flight impressed ..... nothing special - for now
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    3. Lissyara 14 October 2015 16: 32 New
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      I will add. You can throw rags at me, but the grandchildren of the “great Mao” did not rise weakly in electronics. It is not sad, we with our "silicone swamp" in Zelenburg lag behind.
      I was on a business trip there. Well done guys, buy the Japanese-Malaysian line for the production of high-tech antiquity of the year 3-5, and stamp everything with a bang. For information, on Kvant in Zelenograd there are two lines of Daifuku, already 1985 of release.
      Orient and minus as much as you like, but Vysotsky correctly said "In Russia, rockets and ballet." Well, we don’t know how to make cars, but our combat aircraft are the best.
      1. iConst 14 October 2015 16: 45 New
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        Quote: LiSSyara
        Add. You can throw rags at me but the grandsons of the "great Mao" did not rise weakly in electronics. It is not sad, we with our "silicone swamp" in Zelenburg lag behind.
        “Can you use a slipper, not a rag?” laughing

        Grandchildren of Mao received a strong infusion in this area in the form of investment and technology. The West and Japan built factories there, which they already regret now.

        We walk almost by ourselves. Dough cuts do not add agility, but still there is progress.

        Now about the best airplanes: in any technical solution, the limit of possibilities comes. Already, aircraft designers say that the glider of modern combat aircraft (and civilians too) has come to its limit of excellence: i.e. nothing can be squeezed out of geometry - a few percent.

        Therefore, in order to achieve benefits it is necessary to look for another area.
        Americans bet on invisibility stealth and secentric.

        Breakthrough technologies are needed - those that, perhaps, even the scientists themselves do not yet know about.
        1. Zoldat_A 14 October 2015 21: 58 New
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          Quote: iConst
          We walk almost by ourselves. Dough cuts do not add agilitybut still there is progress.

          Lamps for the entrance anti-vandal reinventing 6,5 tyr - this Chubais knows how. He is generally a big fan of budget money!

          No one says that ALL Chinese falls apart in your hands - open any computer and find at least something there that is not Chinese. The last time I saw the Malaysian and Singaporean processors was Stump-4, and the American one - Stump-2 .... ALL Chinese screws - forgotten how to do it yourself ...?

          But a few years ago, being well aware of how much a good tool costs, I bought 4 chisels - a set - for delivery at Castorama. One and only lock in the country house embed. I have not broken a single chisel in ALL LIFE - and here in 5 minutes - all four. I answer for straightness of hands. And some kind of grainy, like cast iron ... I thought - and they themselves, at home, in China, what kind of chisels work? Soviet?
      2. EvilLion 14 October 2015 16: 48 New
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        You added nonsense, in military electronics, and not in smartphones under the Apple license, the Chinese are bottom to bottom.
        1. Lissyara 14 October 2015 17: 16 New
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          Sir, go at least a couple of factories to China, and look.
          We have ALGORITHMS and MATHEMATICS, and the Chinese have electronics (element base).
          By the way, the guidance methods laid down in the "old" 5K34 "Frontier" has not been canceled. And this trash worked on memory cubes in 64K. Believe me, I was finishing the QUIRT, and this is "Bauman with epaulettes."
          Even the automated control system of the battalion RTV Osnova at the turn of the 90 represented two kungs of computers, with a capacity equal to two 386 computers (they just appeared then).
          1. Scoun 14 October 2015 17: 50 New
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            Quote: LiSSyara
            We have ALGORITHMS and MATHEMATICS,

            Og, and the last few years at international competitions, we stopped taking prizes ... and gentlemen like Lebanon want to introduce two foreign languages ​​... (((
            1. Lissyara 14 October 2015 18: 08 New
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              Roman, we have talented guys.
              Well, from mu.d.a.s. education does not get any easier.
              1. _Alexei_ 14 October 2015 18: 43 New
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                I’m interested in Livanov at school punched or did stools
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 October 2015 19: 08 New
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                  Quote: _Alexey_
                  I’m interested in Livanov at school punched or did stools

                  What? Is Taburetkin the son of Livanov? laughing
                  1. abrakadabre 15 October 2015 10: 43 New
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                    Pinocchio he is from Livanov
      3. PKTRL 14 October 2015 20: 28 New
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        I will add. You can throw rags at me, but the grandchildren of the “great Mao” did not rise weakly in electronics. It is not sad, we with our "silicone swamp" in Zelenburg lag behind.
        I was on a business trip there. Well done guys, buy the Japanese-Malaysian line for the production of high-tech antiquity of the year 3-5, and stamp everything with a bang. For information, on Kvant in Zelenograd there are two lines of Daifuku, already 1985 of release.
        Orient and minus as much as you like, but Vysotsky correctly said "In Russia, rockets and ballet." Well, we don’t know how to make cars, but our combat aircraft are the best.

        You are a superficial person (manager) .. (Do you know anything about ECB reliability ?! And about WWF acting on them and about special effects, in particular?! You generally used the ECB of Zelenograd, Voronezh, Smolensk ... etc. etc. What is the resource of Chinese equipment, and even American, made on "theirs") elemental base? ... I will ask the question differently. What are the reasons for the failure of our equipment in the last 15 years? Do you know? .. Everything from the "theirs" ECB! So do not be idiotic .. You are not on the "line" to focus your attention, but on the quality of the products, their shelf life! Weapons created from reliable elements are capable of fulfilling their task under given conditions and always defeats weapons that are “created” by the hands of those who look to the “west”!
        1. Lissyara 15 October 2015 20: 40 New
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          I am not a manager, but a developer. What is, on that and we do. And it is from China.
          Our valiant engineer, bring me at least one model of a single-crystal of our production, on which it would be possible to program at least an RVV database.
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    4. st25310 14 October 2015 16: 37 New
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      Again vague doubts torment me. Shpak has a tape recorder, the ambassador has a medallion ...
    5. ALEA IACTA EST 14 October 2015 16: 40 New
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      Outwardly resembles a mixture of F-22 and F-35.
    6. YARUSSIAN39 14 October 2015 16: 56 New
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      probably not PAK FA, but the American F35, this is my opinion)
      it's the Chinese, they copy everything
    7. opus 14 October 2015 16: 57 New
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      Quote: LiSSyara
      PAK FA (or rather the T-50) is crafted with a "crude Chinese rasp."

      Twin engine F-35






      He has in common with the T-50 only that both of them are monoplanes
      1. iConst 14 October 2015 17: 23 New
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        Quote: opus
        Twin engine F-35
        - Why twin-engine? Enemies Vika says - single-engine.

        I read their arsenal (I didn’t make a reservation :)) of armaments - he stated that the F35 cannot be considered a 5th generation fighter, but only a kind of 4+.

        And he cited the main argument: he cannot go hypersound in cruising mode - only afterburner.

        In general, he threw poop, saying that if the bet on stealth was not justified, then he would be a useless fighter in general, since he had neither sensible ammunition for dogfighting, nor maneuverable characteristics - Russian and Chinese 4 ++ fighters would tear the Warmer like a Tuzik.

        On the one hand - it’s kind of nice to read, on the other - maybe hell? belay
        1. opus 14 October 2015 17: 43 New
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          Quote: iConst
          - Why twin-engine? Enemies Vika says - single-engine.

          He’s lying.
          On the surface, the J-31 looks very much like a twin-engine F-35 clone
          Engine type 2 turbofan Klimov RD-93 (WS-13A)
          with increased traction up to 11 tf

          Quote: iConst
          And he cited the main argument: he cannot go hypersound in cruising mode - only afterburner.

          and with generations everything is conditional there.
          Do you need 5mu cruise supersound and how to use weapons-xs there.
          Discussion
          1. iConst 14 October 2015 19: 13 New
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            Quote: opus
            Quote: iConst
            - Why twin-engine? Enemies Vika says - single-engine.

            He’s lying.
            On the surface, the J-31 looks very much like a twin-engine F-35 clone
            Engine type 2 turbofan Klimov RD-93 (WS-13A)
            with increased traction up to 11 tf
            - I do not understand, is it a Chinese or an American? The American turns out with one engine.
            Quote: opus
            Quote: iConst
            And he cited the main argument: he cannot go hypersound in cruising mode - only afterburner.

            and with generations everything is conditional there.
            Do you need 5mu cruise supersound and how to use weapons-xs there.
            Discussion
            - I read several translations of articles by western makers and it seemed that when they talk about this F-35 there are a bunch of "ifs".
            Type: Ф35 will smash everyone on the wall if that, if sho, if the fifth and tenth.

            That way I will overcome Mike Tyson if I will have a baseball bat, and Mike will be drunk in drabadan and if to tie his legs and if his arm will be broken.
            Oh how - I'm cooler than Tyson! laughing

            In fact, pensioner Tyson will smash me into a thousand kittens per second, which I won’t have time to say ... belay
            1. opus 14 October 2015 22: 01 New
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              Quote: iConst
              - I do not understand, is it a Chinese or an American?

              J-31 of course "about the Chinese": 2-motor clone F-35go
              Quote: iConst
              The American turns out with one engine.

              Well, until today I was definitely with one Pratt & Whitney F135,
              Maybe something I missed?
              wink
              Quote: iConst
              Type: F35 will smash everyone on the wall if that

              you have goods .. we have a merchant. You need to sell

            2. Falcon 16 October 2015 09: 14 New
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              Quote: iConst
              I read several translations of articles by Western makers and I got the impression that when they talk about this F-35 there are a bunch of "ifs".
              Type: Ф35 will smash everyone on the wall if that, if sho, if the fifth and tenth.


              Well, if as a Fighter-bomber, then its data is unique, with a bias on the bomber.

              A dogfight is, of course, debatable.

              Quote: iConst
              That way I will defeat Mike Tyson if I have a baseball bat and Mike is drunk in drabadan and if he has his legs tied and if his arm is broken.
              Oh how - I'm cooler than Tyson! laughing

              In fact, pensioner Tyson will smash me into a thousand kittens per second, which I won’t have time to say ...


              !+ laughing
      2. exalex2 14 October 2015 17: 29 New
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        Quote: opus
        He has in common with the T-50 only that both of them are monoplanes

        So in your opinion, all the rest are "biplanes"?
        1. opus 14 October 2015 17: 44 New
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          Quote: exalex2
          So in your opinion, all the rest are "biplanes"?

          And who was talking about the rest?
          It was a J-31 processed file T-50.
          where are the others?
    8. Aksakal_07 14 October 2015 17: 00 New
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      Alas (for us), the Chinese have nowhere to rush, they have great prospects ahead. In the meantime, they will earn in large volumes by the mass production of "rasp" copies of the best world models of military equipment and weapons.
    9. Ruslan 14 October 2015 17: 15 New
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      engines from a twinkle or what? why so smoke?
      1. opus 14 October 2015 17: 50 New
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        Quote: ruslan
        engines from a twinkle or what?

        WS-13A clone T TRDDF Klimov RD-93
        Very soon, under the "special status" program, Chinese companies will receive the best example of the Russian radar industry - the N035 Irbis-E radar station and, in its image, will complete the creation of their modern AFAR.
        Quote: ruslan
        why so smoke?

        our corporate identity
        REDUCING THE EMISSION OF NITROGEN OXIDES IN THE COMBUSTION CHAMBERS OF A TRD WITH A COMPACT DIFFUSION FLAME FRONT ... topic is relevant
    10. Scoun 14 October 2015 17: 42 New
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      Quote: LiSSyara
      PAK FA (or rather the T-50) is crafted with a "crude Chinese rasp."

      In fact, it looks more like a “Raptor” nozzle of the engines nearby, the keels are located with a similar camber and size like the F-22 ... and so today all 5th generation are smoothed as much as possible.
      Ours generally looks unique .. the "head" looks more than the "rear")) like a dart. Ours and the wing starts earlier than their air intake .... In general, just compare the photos yourself.
      Only the top and bottom views of the silhouettes are conceptually similar, and then they basically have chopped shapes.
      1. Ramzaj99 14 October 2015 18: 53 New
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        In fact, he is more like a "Raptor"

        Yes, I’m watching it myself ..... from the side and from the rear of the Raptor, you look at the front and top of the T-50.
        It seems the Chinese with two licked one))))
    11. Alex_Rarog 14 October 2015 19: 32 New
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      It is rather grown f35.
    12. Sakh 15 October 2015 02: 02 New
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      More like an F-35. They write, from each one I took a little.
    13. Nosgoth 15 October 2015 16: 10 New
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      You do not know any aircraft except PAK FA?

      J-31 is a copy of F-35 with elements of F-22. The J-31 is completely unlike the PAK FA. Unless your expert opinion is "just 2 wings, then it looks like."
  2. venaya 14 October 2015 16: 28 New
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    A clear competitor to our aircraft industry. I wonder when the preliminary price will be reported?
    1. opus 14 October 2015 16: 47 New
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      I wonder when the preliminary price will be reported?

      Yes, and give it yourself if you figure it out










  3. Mountain shooter 14 October 2015 16: 28 New
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    Oh well. Our calves boasted ... Many parameters of the machine do not fit together. The parameters are explicitly set above F-35. But what will actually be - let's see.
  4. Coconut 14 October 2015 16: 30 New
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    Well done Chinese fellow poured F-22 bully although the east is a delicate matter ... maybe a newer one was stolen good
  5. Engineer 14 October 2015 16: 33 New
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    Well, these are the specifications for Murzilka. We need climb, cruising speed, external, internal suspension components, radar parameters, etc., i.e. parameters of a combat aircraft that make it combat.
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  7. Lissyara 14 October 2015 16: 37 New
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    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    The parameters are explicitly set above F-35.

    Actually, it fits 22. Here, our urge began on the basis of 144 to make an easy PAK.
    1. artalex32010 14 October 2015 17: 09 New
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      Yes, this is a very good idea, by the way! Why not make a lightweight version of the PAK FA, say with one engine (by analogy with the MiG MFI and MiG LFI)?
      1. opus 14 October 2015 22: 20 New
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        Quote: artalex32010
        Yes, this is a very good idea, by the way! Why not make a lightweight version of the PAK FA, say with one engine (by

        J-31 has 2 turbofan engines
        2 × RD-93 afterburning Turbofans, 84 kN
        or
        2 × WS-13A afterburning Turbofans, 100 kN
        MIG MFI on the "inconspicuous" as it is not very



        the same 2 turbofan AL-41F had
    2. saturn.mmm 14 October 2015 17: 13 New
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      Here, our urge began on the basis of 144 to make an easy PAK.

      You can go back 50 years ago.
  8. Federal 14 October 2015 16: 37 New
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    The car is beautiful, as in a cartoon, but the situation in the world has changed a bit, the Chinese apparently did not understand it yet. The combat vehicle is now considered to have been run in at a live training ground, no matter how cruel it may sound in our turbulent times. And so, it's just a beautiful, expensive machine.
    1. kil 31 14 October 2015 16: 42 New
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      Chinese aircraft manufacturer AVIC has published the characteristics of the export version of the 5th generation fighter J-31
      Famously the Chinese are acting. They have not yet taken to service, but already they want to drive for export. Do you need a currency? It seems that the external yuan stands firmly on its feet.
  9. Kolka82 14 October 2015 16: 39 New
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    Does it work on their diesel fuel? The exhaust is blackish.
  10. cryloff.il 14 October 2015 16: 40 New
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    I don’t understand something, how will they make a short take-off and landing? After all, the concept of the aircraft is clearly made with the usual take-off. Amerovsky F-35 is able to rotate the nozzle at 90 degrees, and this, apparently, even the thrust vector does not deviate. Maybe, of course, they’ll copy something from our Su-35, but I don’t know, I don’t know ...
  11. RuslanNN 14 October 2015 16: 41 New
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    I wonder what engines are there?
  12. lance 14 October 2015 16: 44 New
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    the question is not that, the machine is interesting, but even to su 27 does not reach the performance characteristics. It is ridiculous to compare with the pack fa if the project parameters correspond to the fact
  13. TIO1969 14 October 2015 16: 45 New
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    But he will find his small export niche! Given that we will not rush to sell our T-50. First, rather, as always, will Pakistan? Further, potentially, to say that they have the 5th generation - Algeria?
  14. ingenera 14 October 2015 16: 47 New
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    He smokes, like our MIG29th; "related" engines? A pilot is sluggish. Not impressed.
  15. demel2 14 October 2015 16: 48 New
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    And whose engines are he interested in? Are the whales blinded themselves.
  16. KAPITANUS 14 October 2015 16: 48 New
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    The smell in the cabin like in a Chinese toy store?
  17. kiparis 14 October 2015 16: 49 New
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    I’m embarrassed to ask. But still. The shortened take-off and vertical landing ...?
    1. Pogran 14 October 2015 17: 07 New
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      take-off, jogging and jumping, when landing by the net will catch)
  18. EvilLion 14 October 2015 16: 51 New
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    We take the engines from the MiG-29, put their car with an empty weight one third more and tell tales about 8 tons of load and 2000 + km / h. I don’t know, maybe it will take off with 8 tons, but the single-engine F-35 has a lower power unit weight with more traction, and is still inferior even to the Su-27. So do not have fairy tales.
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      What is inferior? even the weight of the combat load is higher for a single-engine f-35 than for 2 AL-31s. They know how to make dviglo. F-16 is also single-engine ... F404, it seems, stands on block52, but the carrying capacity is the same 8-9 tons. Our Mig-29 would have such an engine in the ass, it would have been nice to fly and feel better .. The Chinese are making clones of our WS10 engines - an analogue of AL-31, but with less, almost half the resource ... that's why they buy ours ... Now they are working on WS-15, just for its J-11, J-15, J-18. They promise to overtake (and catch up) their own Avionics, no worse than ovsky, only with AFAR so far .. On the F-22, in general, unique engines, very economical, with PBT in two planes .. More interesting than the developed AL-41 (Vol. 117 ) And, given the yellow skills, "riveting", then j-31 in 4-5 years will be a HIT in Arabia, Asia, Africa ..
      1. Odysseus 14 October 2015 22: 04 New
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        Quote: mvg
        Now they are working on WS-15, just for their J-11, J-15, J-18.

        Rather, for the J-20.
        Quote: mvg
        Avionics is its own, no worse than ovarian, only with AFAR so far.

        AFAR already exists, but overall avionics is worse than the state one.
        Quote: mvg
        And, given the yellow skills, "riveting", then j-31 in 4-5 years will be a HIT in Arabia, Asia, Africa ..

        I doubt, after all, the stealth plane is expensive and difficult to maintain. Plus the thrust of the RD-93 is not enough even in a modernized form. It is unlikely that after 4 years a new engine will appear in mass production for the 31st.
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          Why for the J-20? If we still buy 100-120 dviglo per year? Ws-15 is the same as WS-10, only resource and traction increased? Why pay to Russia? They will put their own on J-11B, why not put on J-15, they will take more payload from Liaolin .. They did not copy the Irbis normally, they also make requests for Zhuk ... And avionics, it’s even worth it on J-11, and not like on the Su-27, they say that they are doing no worse. Our taxiways put FC-1 (Lavi), which are exported to Pakistan and exported, have no hopes for their WS so far, but the J-10 has WS, which are for themselves.
          As for the service ... since the 5th generation should have a lower cost per hour, less service hours, so the money / hours should be the same.
          For money: F-35s are already selling at 80-120 rubles / pc, the cost of Typhoon / Rafal is no less. Su-30 under 100 goes .. for the Indians ... so what will choose Algeria, Vietnam, Indonesia for example?
          1. Odysseus 15 October 2015 18: 22 New
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            Quote: mvg
            Why for the J-20?

            Well ... I don’t even know how to answer)) Because the Chinese have decided so.
            Quote: mvg
            If we still buy 100-120 dviglo per year?

            They buy from us for a replacement for the Su-27/30 and for the production of J-10A.
            Quote: mvg
            Ws-15 is the same as WS-10, only resource and traction increased?

            No, these are different engines.
            Quote: mvg
            They will put their own on the J-11B, why not put on the J-15, will take more payload from Liaolin.

            Already put only it is not Ws-15, but WS-10A.
            Quote: mvg
            They did not copy the Irbis normally, they also make requests for the Beetle ...

            They could not copy it, where would they get the source? As for the Beetle, the slot is not interesting to them, and we do not have an AFAR.
            Quote: mvg
            Our taxiways put FC-1 (Lavi), which are exported to Pakistan and exported, have no hopes for their WS so far, but the J-10 has WS, which are for themselves.

            J-10 is a former Lavi, not FC-1. Our engines are everywhere, except for the new J-10B.
            Quote: mvg
            As for the service ... since the 5th generation should have a lower cost per hour, less service hours, so the money / hours should be the same.

            This is in theory and only for industrialized countries. Moreover, in practice, the US is tormented with service and Raptor and B-2. The stealth coverage is very moody. What will the countries of Arabia, Asia, Africa do for them and for those Mig-29 shaitan-arba it is scary to imagine.
      2. EvilLion 15 October 2015 00: 10 New
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        Do you understand that the combat load is also determined by the strength of the structure and the load on the wing? Compare at least Rafale with its huge load and Typhoon. The “rafal” has a very unfig winged wing with corresponding consequences for dynamics. So the F-35 load is of the order of 8 tons, like those of the Su-27 with smaller dimensions, testify solely to the overweight of the structure from the point of view of a fighter that carries light air-to-air missiles, and not tons of bombs. The increase in load in the Su-27 family, and primarily on the Su-35, is most likely caused by the strengthening of the airframe to increase its resource.
        And even if you crack, but GAZelle will not be able to carry the load possible for KAMAZ, and if you try, it will end badly for it.

        Well, Americans with an engine in 19 tons of afterburner thrust can puff up and say that their maximum take-off is almost like that of the Su-35, but at least you're cracked, and with an equal weight, an airplane with 28-29 tons of thrust should fly not just better, but much better than a plane with 19 and even with 21 tons.
  19. nafanal 14 October 2015 17: 00 New
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    Hehe. They will bring their hawk for two more years.
  20. roskot 14 October 2015 17: 01 New
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    Blinded for export. Maybe someone will buy it.
  21. Pogran 14 October 2015 17: 03 New
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    but what kind of dviglo on this bird will they put their own or ours?
    1. Awaz 14 October 2015 17: 26 New
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      hardly they have something of their own.
  22. Awaz 14 October 2015 17: 09 New
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    I don’t understand the topic of the race on the so-called 5th generation aircraft. There is nothing significant in these new angular cars. The so-called invisibility (that is, stealth) is a thing so arbitrary that it is in no way. Well, dry, got involved in the race, let him bring the plane to some decent characteristics and go. But at this stage I would have instructed Migu Yak to really develop the latest some kind of scheme for an airplane of a really new generation and not to copy the American idea of ​​dubious quality, if there are grandmas. We always knew how to build airplanes; probably there are still no equal gliders in general. so you have to invent and implement your fifth generation.
    One thing can be said about the Chinese. While they only know how to copy, that’s not all. Here a new generation of scientists and specialists will grow up, then they will be dangerous. Although probably before that for a long time. The same USSR after the revolution of 17 years rose from the fact that it had a good base of scientists who could (not without copying) but were able to create a new and revolutionary one. The Chinese have not yet. Although they probably work on it
    1. voyaka uh 14 October 2015 17: 55 New
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      "The so-called invisibility (that is stealth) thing is so conditional" ////

      The thing is very specific. When the F-22 looks like a tennis ball on the radar screen,
      and F-15 of the same size - like a country house (from the same distance), then
      deciding whether to shoot a tennis ball will be difficult. Suddenly, a bird or a hindrance?
      And then it will be too late ... belay
      1. igorka357 14 October 2015 18: 11 New
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        Yes, yes .. you tell our Pvoshniks .. well, or Yugoslavian .. or better, the pilot of the F-117 .. let them laugh all together!
      2. Awaz 14 October 2015 18: 33 New
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        I’m not really a specialist, but I’ve talked with a specialist. The aircraft is poorly visible only under certain conditions, which nevertheless reduce its combat properties. There is still a topic such that they so far have not shone on our air defense and whether it knows how this air defense will react. Russian air defense systems work slightly different from the American ones and it may turn out that the declared American design characteristics may be erroneous. Also, the developers of Russian air defense about American planes have already known something for a long time and are probably working ahead of the curve. Do not forget the Americans' ability to hang noodles to potential consumers.
        The question also arises. How will they fight with Russian fighters? Well, let's say he saw Sushka before launching a rocket for 100 kilometers, in any case, a modern airplane will detect this rocket and there will be time to dodge it. It is only in American films that a rocket chases after an airplane, in reality if it missed, then everything .... flew away to nowhere. It carries little rockets, its speed is not much different. After all, they can catch up and litter. The topic is generally not yet understood. It’s too early to discuss their Russian air defense radars yet, but doubts overpower me
        1. IAlex 14 October 2015 22: 54 New
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          And you asked your specialists there, then they will be able to dodge the rocket, well, if not in Hollywood?
      3. Denis Skiff 14 October 2015 21: 53 New
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        Suddenly, a bird or a hindrance?
        And then it will be too late.
        With his stick, with a stick they will knock down that ball.
      4. opus 14 October 2015 22: 16 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        Suddenly, a bird or a hindrance?

        and the bird flies from V from 800km / h? With overloads up to 10g?
  23. Hammer 14 October 2015 17: 33 New
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    will they accept us before?
  24. voyaka uh 14 October 2015 17: 36 New
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    The Chinese managed to hack computers with many drawings and calculations of the F-35.
    They made an analogue to compete in sales with the Americans.
    1. iConst 14 October 2015 17: 38 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      The Chinese managed to hack computers with many drawings and calculations of the F-35.
      - Here I am: I am invincible with Kulman and Whatman! laughing
      1. Alexey RA 14 October 2015 17: 54 New
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        Quote: iConst
        - Here I am: I am invincible with Kulman and Whatman!

        Why did they forget Comrade Raisfeder? smile
    2. opus 14 October 2015 17: 56 New
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      They made an analogue to compete in sales with the Americans.

      2 engine analog?
      Hacked single-engine blueprints and fooled with a twin engine?
      Hakali would be all then.

      accelerating capabilities, which can be seen by the afterburner midship, which is 2405 kg / m2

      J-31 is an experimental product of a light fifth-generation fighter with a range of 5 km, which is no less than that of the much-praised Raptor.

      promising LFI provides 12 suspension points as on heavy fighters (the F-35 has only 8). EPR J-31 both in front and in the tail is close to F-35. On the front 0,4 m2 without external suspensions.

      Measuring the dimensions of the J-31 nose radiolucent fairing, it is clear that an active phased antenna array with the energy potential of the Zhuk-A or AN / APG-68 radar will be installed, which can detect the F-35 at a distance of up to 105 km. / Very soon, under the “special status” program, thanks to urein and yusey, Chinese companies will receive the best example of the Russian radar industry - N035 Irbis-E radar
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      WHAT didn’t they hack the optical infrared intelligence system?
      1. retardu 14 October 2015 18: 53 New
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        hi Anton,
        I doubt of course that someone from China said this to the person who wrote the original (I probably took everything from the wiki laughing ), but still.
        If he compares the radar with 68 (which according to Internet data has 10 EPR ~ 130km, and 1 ~ 74 km), then there can be no talk about 105 km. Or his EPR is already 1+ (since it compares it with f-35), not 0.4. Or there are far from 105 km
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          Quote: retardu
          the original was said by someone from China (I probably took everything from the wiki

          Dmitry on the wiki about radar
          And it does not mean the installation of Westinghouse AN / APG-68 (the Americans will not put it in China in China).
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          Measuring radial nose fairing dimensions J-31, seen to be installed active phased array antenna with energy the potential

          as well as APG-68 (V) 9 Search range (air-to-air, fighter target with RCS 5-7m ^ 2) 296.32 km, 184 miles, put F-16D Block 52 + s, F-16 A / B Block 15 MLU
          A good relatively cheap little thing.But .... this is not AFAR

          AFAR will be APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar (SABR) AESA

          (on "landing" sizes - compatible with 68m) with the Chinese clone and data.

          and 0,4 is the data of the Chinese.
      2. Falcon 16 October 2015 09: 52 New
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        Quote: opus
        WHAT didn’t they hack the optical infrared intelligence system?


        Hacked. True to J-20.

        I wonder why EOTS is not transparent, new technologies seem to be wassat
    3. Rroman 14 October 2015 20: 35 New
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      1. Hack.
      2. Those same computers?
      3. With the same ....
      4. Make an analogue (in what)
      5. Compete? Not the right markets for such high-tech products.
      1. opus 14 October 2015 21: 56 New
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        Not the right markets for such high-tech products.

        Well, admittedly, according to stubbornly oozing information, the J-31 will cost 3-3,5 times cheaper than the F-35.
        The Chinese convince that Argentina and Brazil are very interested
    4. IAlex 14 October 2015 23: 04 New
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      In my opinion, you overdo it, the Chinese are still very far from competing with the Americans, who will take their planes is a moot point, because you can buy some F16 and F15 for backward countries ... The prices are the same, but the quality is different, like the service and proven machines and you can upgrade ...
  25. Nitarius 14 October 2015 17: 36 New
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    junk .. at best 4+ generation!
  26. lazy 14 October 2015 18: 03 New
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    the moment we need to intensify the development of a new light fighter, when the United States and China will offer the 5th generation fighter on the market, the 4+ generation fighter on the market
  27. Zaurbek 14 October 2015 18: 12 New
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    Attempt at writing. Reminds a copy of Geledvagen Chinese. looks like
  28. exalex2 14 October 2015 19: 09 New
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    Fifth generation and F-16 and Mig-29 .. "Mixed up in a bunch, people, horses .." Idiocy .. Speaking of engines. What can already do ???
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    Quote: LiSSyara
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    The parameters are explicitly set above F-35.

    Actually, it fits 22. Here, our urge began on the basis of 144 to make an easy PAK.

    interesting. Is it possible in more detail?
  30. Xsanchez 14 October 2015 23: 20 New
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    Nevertheless, the Chinese fellows, 10 years ago, they had nothing like that at all. What pace they have gained, they will bypass everyone in 10 years, and the 6th generation will be the first to strangle you. Respect dudes.
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    Well, if it will be sold on Ali Baba and cost as the sixth iPhone, then it is worth the money)).
  32. basilisk 16 October 2015 02: 27 New
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    Well so wow airplane flies. Although from MIGA and from SU and from F there is something. Well, they are Chinese. And these 8tn loads, so where did they get such engines? And the range?