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China revealed some of the characteristics of J-31

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The Chinese aircraft manufacturer AVIC has published the characteristics of the export version of the 5 generation fighter J-31, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to China Daily.




J-31 will be adopted by the Chinese Air Force. The disclosure of the basic parameters of the export version is intended to interest potential buyers at the stage of its development.

According to data published in a Chinese newspaper, "J-31 can fly at altitudes up to 16 kilometers." This indicator is standard for light fighters, for example, the “ceiling” of the American F-16 Fighting Falcon is 15,2 thousand meters, the Russian MiG-29 - 18 thousand meters.

According to the newspaper, “the aircraft develops speed 2,2 thousands of kilometers per hour and can carry 8 tons of weapons, its combat radius is 1,2 thousands of kilometers, and the life span of 30 years.” For comparison, the upgraded MiG-29 accelerates to 2,5 thousand km / h and carries 4,5 t weapons, its combat radius is 1 thousand km (F-16 can take 7,7 tons of cargo on board, accelerate to 2,3 thousand km / h and move away from the base on 600 km).

Chinese engineers are working on a new fighter with 2010 g. This year, the testing of the J-31 version with a shortened takeoff and vertical landing began.

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  1. Lissyara
    Lissyara 14 October 2015 16: 27 New
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    ПАК ФА (А точнее Т-50) обработан "грубым китайским рашпилем". Правда спилили до размеров МиГ-29 и F-16.
    Ah, well done.
    1. ECT
      ECT 14 October 2015 16: 28 New
      14
      Ours is much more beautiful
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 14 October 2015 16: 49 New
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        Quote: ECT
        Ours is much more beautiful

        A strange comparison of the 5th generation LFI (conditionally!) With a 80-generation fighter built in the 4s. At the same time, our Migar is second only in armament and slightly in range to the Chinese. We will have a fifth generation LFI (which is being developed by Mikoyan residents), then we will compare it.
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv 14 October 2015 17: 15 New
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          Quote: NEXUS
          At the same time, our migrant is second only in armament and slightly in range to the Chinese.

          Even the take-off was not impressive, like the take-off of Mig 29. It struck all Western experts, and then they generally showed that it can fly straight and rotate, well, let out the landing gear and land. Where are the aerobatics, if you are advertising the 5 generation, but it's just a resource , maybe they learned to copy electronics, but high-strength materials with a long resource, oh, just take any of their equipment cheaply and beautifully, but keep the service center at hand.
          1. ankir13
            ankir13 17 October 2015 15: 53 New
            0
            In fact, IT flew, even did the boxes, turned a bit in the sky, did not fall, and even sat down at the end itself ... But who can’t do that now? Well, just like AN 2, just a little faster, so what? Or is this the first test flight to test take-off and landing?
        2. Firstvanguard
          Firstvanguard 14 October 2015 17: 39 New
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          Quote: NEXUS
          A strange comparison of the 5th generation LFI (conditionally!) With a 80-generation fighter built in the 4s. At the same time, our Migar is second only in armament and slightly in range to the Chinese. We will have a fifth generation LFI (which is being developed by Mikoyan residents), then we’ll compare

          What’s strange, pay attention to the smoky plume of engines, which is very characteristic for engines of the RD-33 family, for those who don’t know, this is the engine of the MIG-29/35 family of aircraft, and they are compared with them wink
          1. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 14 October 2015 20: 52 New
            +3
            Quote: Firstvanguard
            What’s strange, pay attention to the smoky plume of engines, which is very characteristic for engines of the RD-33 family, for those who don’t know, this is the engine of the MIG-29/35 family of aircraft, and they are compared with them


            Ivan, and the Chinese engines are the number one problem, so you can be quite
            are right. hi
            1. Firstvanguard
              Firstvanguard 17 October 2015 19: 49 New
              0
              Quote: Vladimir 1964
              Ivan, and the Chinese engines are the number one problem, so you can be quite
              are right. hi

              Thank you colleague yes hi
        3. bayard
          bayard 15 October 2015 08: 17 New
          0
          Chinese hackers licked all those. documentation for the F-35, adapted the fuselage for the engines from the MiG-29, got rid of the excessive bloat of the fuselage (due to the fan of a pregnant penguin) and got a very decent airplane ala 5- generation. But what is the wing load? Kokov in piloting?
        4. Alexey-74
          Alexey-74 15 October 2015 10: 50 New
          0
          To be honest, not much take off and flight impressed ..... nothing special - for now
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    3. Lissyara
      Lissyara 14 October 2015 16: 32 New
      32
      Добавлю. Можете в меня накидать тряпок, но внуки "великого Мао" не хило поднялись в электронике. Как не печально, мы со своим "силиконовым болотом" в Зеленбурге отстаем.
      I was on a business trip there. Well done guys, buy the Japanese-Malaysian line for the production of high-tech antiquity of the year 3-5, and stamp everything with a bang. For information, on Kvant in Zelenograd there are two lines of Daifuku, already 1985 of release.
      Орите и минусуйте сколько угодно, но Высоцкий правильно сказал "В России ракеты и балет". Ну не умеем мы делать машины, зато боевые самолеты у нас самые лучшие.
      1. iConst
        iConst 14 October 2015 16: 45 New
        29
        Quote: LiSSyara
        Add. You can throw rags at me но внуки "великого Мао" не хило поднялись в электронике. Как не печально, мы со своим "силиконовым болотом" в Зеленбурге отстаем.
        “Can you use a slipper, not a rag?” laughing

        Grandchildren of Mao received a strong infusion in this area in the form of investment and technology. The West and Japan built factories there, which they already regret now.

        We walk almost by ourselves. Dough cuts do not add agility, but still there is progress.

        Now about the best airplanes: in any technical solution, the limit of possibilities comes. Already, aircraft designers say that the glider of modern combat aircraft (and civilians too) has come to its limit of excellence: i.e. nothing can be squeezed out of geometry - a few percent.

        Therefore, in order to achieve benefits it is necessary to look for another area.
        Americans bet on invisibility stealth and secentric.

        Breakthrough technologies are needed - those that, perhaps, even the scientists themselves do not yet know about.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 14 October 2015 21: 58 New
          +4
          Quote: iConst
          We walk almost by ourselves. Dough cuts do not add agilitybut still there is progress.

          Lamps for the entrance anti-vandal reinventing 6,5 tyr - this Chubais knows how. He is generally a big fan of budget money!

          No one says that ALL Chinese falls apart in your hands - open any computer and find at least something there that is not Chinese. The last time I saw the Malaysian and Singaporean processors was Stump-4, and the American one - Stump-2 .... ALL Chinese screws - forgotten how to do it yourself ...?

          But несколько лет назад, будучи прекрасно в курсе, сколько стоит хороший инструмент, купил на сдачу в "Кастораме" 4 стамески - набор. Один-единственный замок на даче врезать. За ВСЮ ЖИЗНЬ не сломал ни одной стамески - а тут за 5 минут - все четыре. За прямизну рук отвечаю. И на сколе-то какие-то зернистые, как чугун... I thought - and they themselves, at home, in China, what kind of chisels work? Soviet?
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 14 October 2015 16: 48 New
        +6
        You added nonsense, in military electronics, and not in smartphones under the Apple license, the Chinese are bottom to bottom.
        1. Lissyara
          Lissyara 14 October 2015 17: 16 New
          +8
          Sir, go at least a couple of factories to China, and look.
          We have ALGORITHMS and MATHEMATICS, and the Chinese have electronics (element base).
          Кстати, методы наведения, заложенные в "старика" 5К34 "Рубеж" никто не отменял. И этот хлам работал на кубах памяти в 64К. Поверте, я КВИРТУ оканчивал, а это "Бауманка с погонами".
          Даже АСУ КП батальона РТВ "Основа" на рубеже 90-х представляла два кунга СЭВМ, по мощности равной двум 386 компам (они тогда только появились).
          1. Scoun
            Scoun 14 October 2015 17: 50 New
            +5
            Quote: LiSSyara
            We have ALGORITHMS and MATHEMATICS,

            Og, and the last few years at international competitions, we stopped taking prizes ... and gentlemen like Lebanon want to introduce two foreign languages ​​... (((
            1. Lissyara
              Lissyara 14 October 2015 18: 08 New
              +4
              Roman, we have talented guys.
              Well, from mu.d.a.s. education does not get any easier.
              1. _Alexei_
                _Alexei_ 14 October 2015 18: 43 New
                +4
                I’m interested in Livanov at school punched or did stools
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 October 2015 19: 08 New
                  +7
                  Quote: _Alexey_
                  I’m interested in Livanov at school punched or did stools

                  What? Is Taburetkin the son of Livanov? laughing
                  1. abrakadabre
                    abrakadabre 15 October 2015 10: 43 New
                    0
                    Pinocchio he is from Livanov
      3. PKTRL
        PKTRL 14 October 2015 20: 28 New
        +7
        Добавлю. Можете в меня накидать тряпок, но внуки "великого Мао" не хило поднялись в электронике. Как не печально, мы со своим "силиконовым болотом" в Зеленбурге отстаем.
        I was on a business trip there. Well done guys, buy the Japanese-Malaysian line for the production of high-tech antiquity of the year 3-5, and stamp everything with a bang. For information, on Kvant in Zelenograd there are two lines of Daifuku, already 1985 of release.
        Орите и минусуйте сколько угодно, но Высоцкий правильно сказал "В России ракеты и балет". Ну не умеем мы делать машины, зато боевые самолеты у нас самые лучшие.

        Поверхностный вы человек (манагер) .. ( Вы что-нибудь о надёжности ЭКБ знаете?! А о ВВФ воздействующих на них и о спецвоздействиях, в частности ?! Вы вообще пользовали ЭКБ Зеленограда, Воронежа, Смоленска... и т.д. и т.п. Какой ресурс у техники китайской, да и у американской, сделанной на "ихней" ) элементной базе?... Задам вопрос по-другому. Какие причины отказа нашей техники в последние 15 лет? Вы знаете?.. Все от "ихней" ЭКБ! Так что не юродствуйте.. Вы не на "линии" заостряйте своё внимание, а на качестве продукции, сроках её сохраняемости! Оружие, созданное из надёжных элементов, способно выполнять свою задачу в заданных условиях и всегда побеждает над оружием, "созданное" руками тех, кто смотрит на "запад"!
        1. Lissyara
          Lissyara 15 October 2015 20: 40 New
          0
          I am not a manager, but a developer. What is, on that and we do. And it is from China.
          Our valiant engineer, bring me at least one model of a single-crystal of our production, on which it would be possible to program at least an RVV database.
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    4. st25310
      st25310 14 October 2015 16: 37 New
      +8
      Again vague doubts torment me. Shpak has a tape recorder, the ambassador has a medallion ...
    5. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 14 October 2015 16: 40 New
      +8
      Outwardly resembles a mixture of F-22 and F-35.
    6. YARUSSIAN39
      YARUSSIAN39 14 October 2015 16: 56 New
      +3
      probably not PAK FA, but the American F35, this is my opinion)
      it's the Chinese, they copy everything
    7. opus
      opus 14 October 2015 16: 57 New
      14
      Quote: LiSSyara
      ПАК ФА (А точнее Т-50) обработан "грубым китайским рашпилем".

      Twin engine F-35






      He has in common with the T-50 only that both of them are monoplanes
      1. iConst
        iConst 14 October 2015 17: 23 New
        +4
        Quote: opus
        Twin engine F-35
        - Why twin-engine? Enemies Vika says - single-engine.

        I read their arsenal (I didn’t make a reservation :)) of armaments - he stated that the F35 cannot be considered a 5th generation fighter, but only a kind of 4+.

        And he cited the main argument: he cannot go hypersound in cruising mode - only afterburner.

        In general, he threw poop, saying that if the bet on stealth was not justified, then he would be a useless fighter in general, since he had neither sensible ammunition for dogfighting, nor maneuverable characteristics - Russian and Chinese 4 ++ fighters would tear the Warmer like a Tuzik.

        On the one hand - it’s kind of nice to read, on the other - maybe hell? belay
        1. opus
          opus 14 October 2015 17: 43 New
          +3
          Quote: iConst
          - Why twin-engine? Enemies Vika says - single-engine.

          He’s lying.
          On the surface, the J-31 looks very much like a twin-engine F-35 clone
          Engine type 2 turbofan Klimov RD-93 (WS-13A)
          with increased traction up to 11 tf

          Quote: iConst
          And he cited the main argument: he cannot go hypersound in cruising mode - only afterburner.

          and with generations everything is conditional there.
          Do you need 5mu cruise supersound and how to use weapons-xs there.
          Discussion
          1. iConst
            iConst 14 October 2015 19: 13 New
            +4
            Quote: opus
            Quote: iConst
            - Why twin-engine? Enemies Vika says - single-engine.

            He’s lying.
            On the surface, the J-31 looks very much like a twin-engine F-35 clone
            Engine type 2 turbofan Klimov RD-93 (WS-13A)
            with increased traction up to 11 tf
            - I do not understand, is it a Chinese or an American? The American turns out with one engine.
            Quote: opus
            Quote: iConst
            And he cited the main argument: he cannot go hypersound in cruising mode - only afterburner.

            and with generations everything is conditional there.
            Do you need 5mu cruise supersound and how to use weapons-xs there.
            Discussion
            - Читал несколько переводов статей западных оборзевателей и сложилось впечатление, что когда они рассказывают про этот Ф-35 там присутствуют куча "если".
            Type: Ф35 will smash everyone on the wall if that, if sho, if the fifth and tenth.

            That way I will overcome Mike Tyson if I will have a baseball bat, and Mike will be drunk in drabadan and if to tie his legs and if his arm will be broken.
            Oh how - I'm cooler than Tyson! laughing

            In fact, pensioner Tyson will smash me into a thousand kittens per second, which I won’t have time to say ... belay
            1. opus
              opus 14 October 2015 22: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: iConst
              - I do not understand, is it a Chinese or an American?

              J-31 конечно"о китайце" : 2х двигательный клон F-35го
              Quote: iConst
              The American turns out with one engine.

              Well, until today I was definitely with one Pratt & Whitney F135,
              Maybe something I missed?
              wink
              Quote: iConst
              Type: F35 will smash everyone on the wall if that

              you have goods .. we have a merchant. You need to sell

            2. Falcon
              Falcon 16 October 2015 09: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: iConst
              Читал несколько переводов статей западных оборзевателей и сложилось впечатление, что когда они рассказывают про этот Ф-35 там присутствуют куча "если".
              Type: Ф35 will smash everyone on the wall if that, if sho, if the fifth and tenth.


              Well, if as a Fighter-bomber, then its data is unique, with a bias on the bomber.

              A dogfight is, of course, debatable.

              Quote: iConst
              That way I will defeat Mike Tyson if I have a baseball bat and Mike is drunk in drabadan and if he has his legs tied and if his arm is broken.
              Oh how - I'm cooler than Tyson! laughing

              In fact, pensioner Tyson will smash me into a thousand kittens per second, which I won’t have time to say ...


              !+ laughing
      2. exalex2
        exalex2 14 October 2015 17: 29 New
        -1
        Quote: opus
        He has in common with the T-50 only that both of them are monoplanes

        Так что по Вашему, все остальные "бипланы" ?
        1. opus
          opus 14 October 2015 17: 44 New
          0
          Quote: exalex2
          Так что по Вашему, все остальные "бипланы" ?

          And who was talking about the rest?
          It was a J-31 processed file T-50.
          where are the others?
    8. Aksakal_07
      Aksakal_07 14 October 2015 17: 00 New
      +1
      Увы (для нас), китайцам некуда спешить, впереди у них большие перспективы. А пока они будут в больших объемах зарабатывать массовым производством "рашпилевых" копий лучших мировых образцов военной техники и вооружений.
    9. Ruslan
      Ruslan 14 October 2015 17: 15 New
      +3
      engines from a twinkle or what? why so smoke?
      1. opus
        opus 14 October 2015 17: 50 New
        +6
        Quote: ruslan
        engines from a twinkle or what?

        WS-13A clone T TRDDF Klimov RD-93
        Very soon, under the "special status" program, Chinese companies will receive the best example of the Russian radar industry - the N035 Irbis-E radar station and, in its image, will complete the creation of their modern AFAR.
        Quote: ruslan
        why so smoke?

        our corporate identity
        REDUCING THE EMISSION OF NITROGEN OXIDES IN THE COMBUSTION CHAMBERS OF A TRD WITH A COMPACT DIFFUSION FLAME FRONT ... topic is relevant
    10. Scoun
      Scoun 14 October 2015 17: 42 New
      +5
      Quote: LiSSyara
      ПАК ФА (А точнее Т-50) обработан "грубым китайским рашпилем".

      Вообще-то он больше похож на "Раптор" сопла движков рядом, кили расположены с похожим развалом и размерами как у Ф-22... а так на сегодня все 5-го поколения максимально сглажены.
      Наш вообще уникально смотрится.. "голова" смотрится больше "зада" )) как дротик.У нашего и крыло начинается раньше их воздухозаборника.... В общем просто фото сравните сами.
      Only the top and bottom views of the silhouettes are conceptually similar, and then they basically have chopped shapes.
      1. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 14 October 2015 18: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: Scoun
        Вообще-то он больше похож на "Раптор"

        Yes, I’m watching it myself ..... from the side and from the rear of the Raptor, you look at the front and top of the T-50.
        It seems the Chinese with two licked one))))
    11. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 14 October 2015 19: 32 New
      +1
      It is rather grown f35.
    12. Sakh
      Sakh 15 October 2015 02: 02 New
      0
      More like an F-35. They write, from each one I took a little.
    13. Nosgoth
      Nosgoth 15 October 2015 16: 10 New
      0
      You do not know any aircraft except PAK FA?

      J-31 - это копия F-35 с элементами F-22. На ПАК ФА планер J-31 совсем не похож. Разве что ваше экспертное мнение - "раз 2 крыла, то похож".
  2. venaya
    venaya 14 October 2015 16: 28 New
    0
    A clear competitor to our aircraft industry. I wonder when the preliminary price will be reported?
    1. opus
      opus 14 October 2015 16: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: venaya
      I wonder when the preliminary price will be reported?

      Yes, and give it yourself if you figure it out










  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 October 2015 16: 28 New
    +4
    Oh well. Our calves boasted ... Many parameters of the machine do not fit together. The parameters are explicitly set above F-35. But what will actually be - let's see.
  4. Coconut
    Coconut 14 October 2015 16: 30 New
    +3
    Well done Chinese fellow poured F-22 bully although the east is a delicate matter ... maybe a newer one was stolen good
  5. Engineer
    Engineer 14 October 2015 16: 33 New
    +4
    Well, these are the specifications for Murzilka. We need climb, cruising speed, external, internal suspension components, radar parameters, etc., i.e. parameters of a combat aircraft that make it combat.
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  7. Lissyara
    Lissyara 14 October 2015 16: 37 New
    +4
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    The parameters are explicitly set above F-35.

    Actually, it fits 22. Here, our urge began on the basis of 144 to make an easy PAK.
    1. artalex32010
      artalex32010 14 October 2015 17: 09 New
      +1
      Yes, this is a very good idea, by the way! Why not make a lightweight version of the PAK FA, say with one engine (by analogy with the MiG MFI and MiG LFI)?
      1. opus
        opus 14 October 2015 22: 20 New
        0
        Quote: artalex32010
        Yes, this is a very good idea, by the way! Why not make a lightweight version of the PAK FA, say with one engine (by

        J-31 has 2 turbofan engines
        2 × RD-93 afterburning Turbofans, 84 kN
        or
        2 × WS-13A afterburning Turbofans, 100 kN
        МИГ МФИ на "малозаметный" как то не очень



        the same 2 turbofan AL-41F had
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 14 October 2015 17: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: LiSSyara
      Here, our urge began on the basis of 144 to make an easy PAK.

      You can go back 50 years ago.
  8. Federal
    Federal 14 October 2015 16: 37 New
    +3
    The car is beautiful, as in a cartoon, but the situation in the world has changed a bit, the Chinese apparently did not understand it yet. The combat vehicle is now considered to have been run in at a live training ground, no matter how cruel it may sound in our turbulent times. And so, it's just a beautiful, expensive machine.
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 14 October 2015 16: 42 New
      +1
      Chinese aircraft manufacturer AVIC has published the characteristics of the export version of the 5th generation fighter J-31
      Famously the Chinese are acting. They have not yet taken to service, but already they want to drive for export. Do you need a currency? It seems that the external yuan stands firmly on its feet.
  9. Kolka82
    Kolka82 14 October 2015 16: 39 New
    0
    Does it work on their diesel fuel? The exhaust is blackish.
  10. cryloff.il
    cryloff.il 14 October 2015 16: 40 New
    +1
    I don’t understand something, how will they make a short take-off and landing? After all, the concept of the aircraft is clearly made with the usual take-off. Amerovsky F-35 is able to rotate the nozzle at 90 degrees, and this, apparently, even the thrust vector does not deviate. Maybe, of course, they’ll copy something from our Su-35, but I don’t know, I don’t know ...
  11. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 14 October 2015 16: 41 New
    0
    I wonder what engines are there?
  12. lance
    lance 14 October 2015 16: 44 New
    +2
    the question is not that, the machine is interesting, but even to su 27 does not reach the performance characteristics. It is ridiculous to compare with the pack fa if the project parameters correspond to the fact
  13. TIO1969
    TIO1969 14 October 2015 16: 45 New
    +1
    But he will find his small export niche! Given that we will not rush to sell our T-50. First, rather, as always, will Pakistan? Further, potentially, to say that they have the 5th generation - Algeria?
  14. ingenera
    ingenera 14 October 2015 16: 47 New
    0
    Коптит он, как наш МИГ29-й; "родственные" движки? А пилотаж вялый какой-то. Не впечатлил.
  15. demel2
    demel2 14 October 2015 16: 48 New
    0
    And whose engines are he interested in? Are the whales blinded themselves.
  16. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS 14 October 2015 16: 48 New
    +2
    The smell in the cabin like in a Chinese toy store?
  17. kiparis
    kiparis 14 October 2015 16: 49 New
    0
    I’m embarrassed to ask. But still. The shortened take-off and vertical landing ...?
    1. Pogran
      Pogran 14 October 2015 17: 07 New
      +1
      take-off, jogging and jumping, when landing by the net will catch)
  18. EvilLion
    EvilLion 14 October 2015 16: 51 New
    +7
    We take the engines from the MiG-29, put their car with an empty weight one third more and tell tales about 8 tons of load and 2000 + km / h. I don’t know, maybe it will take off with 8 tons, but the single-engine F-35 has a lower power unit weight with more traction, and is still inferior even to the Su-27. So do not have fairy tales.
    1. mvg
      mvg 14 October 2015 20: 13 New
      +4
      В чем уступает? даже вес боевой нагрузки выше у однодвигательного ф-35, чем у 2-ух АЛ-31.. Умеют ы делать двигло. Ф-16 тоже однодвигательный... F404, кажется, стоит на блок52, но грузоподъемность те же 8-9 тн. Нашему Миг-29 в жопу такой бы двигатель, неплохо бы полетел и полегчал.. Китайцы делают клоны наших двигателей WS10 - аналог АЛ-31, но с меньшим, почти вдвое, ресурсом... поэтому и закупают наши... Сейчас работают над WS-15, как раз для своих J-11, J-15, J-18. Обещают догнать (и догонят) Авионика своя, не хуже овской, только вот с АФАР пока никак.. На Ф-22 вообще уникальные движки, очень экономные, с РВТ в двух плоскостях.. Поинтереснее, чем разрабатываемый АЛ-41 (изд. 117). А, учитывая, умения желтых, "клепать", то j-31 через 4-5 лет будет ХИТом в Аравии, Азии, Африки..
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 14 October 2015 22: 04 New
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        Quote: mvg
        Now they are working on WS-15, just for their J-11, J-15, J-18.

        Rather, for the J-20.
        Quote: mvg
        Avionics is its own, no worse than ovarian, only with AFAR so far.

        AFAR already exists, but overall avionics is worse than the state one.
        Quote: mvg
        А, учитывая, умения желтых, "клепать", то j-31 через 4-5 лет будет ХИТом в Аравии, Азии, Африки..

        Сомневаюсь,все-таки "стелс"-самолет дорог и сложен в обслуживании.Плюс тяги РД-93 даже в модернизированном виде маловато.Маловероятно что через 4 года в массовом производстве появиться новый движок для 31-го.
        1. mvg
          mvg 14 October 2015 23: 07 New
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          Why for the J-20? If we still buy 100-120 dviglo per year? Ws-15 is the same as WS-10, only resource and traction increased? Why pay to Russia? They will put their own on J-11B, why not put on J-15, they will take more payload from Liaolin .. They did not copy the Irbis normally, they also make requests for Zhuk ... And avionics, it’s even worth it on J-11, and not like on the Su-27, they say that they are doing no worse. Our taxiways put FC-1 (Lavi), which are exported to Pakistan and exported, have no hopes for their WS so far, but the J-10 has WS, which are for themselves.
          As for the service ... since the 5th generation should have a lower cost per hour, less service hours, so the money / hours should be the same.
          For money: F-35s are already selling at 80-120 rubles / pc, the cost of Typhoon / Rafal is no less. Su-30 under 100 goes .. for the Indians ... so what will choose Algeria, Vietnam, Indonesia for example?
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 15 October 2015 18: 22 New
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            Quote: mvg
            Why for the J-20?

            Well ... I don’t even know how to answer)) Because the Chinese have decided so.
            Quote: mvg
            If we still buy 100-120 dviglo per year?

            They buy from us for a replacement for the Su-27/30 and for the production of J-10A.
            Quote: mvg
            Ws-15 is the same as WS-10, only resource and traction increased?

            No, these are different engines.
            Quote: mvg
            They will put their own on the J-11B, why not put on the J-15, will take more payload from Liaolin.

            Already put only it is not Ws-15, but WS-10A.
            Quote: mvg
            They did not copy the Irbis normally, they also make requests for the Beetle ...

            They could not copy it, where would they get the source? As for the Beetle, the slot is not interesting to them, and we do not have an AFAR.
            Quote: mvg
            Our taxiways put FC-1 (Lavi), which are exported to Pakistan and exported, have no hopes for their WS so far, but the J-10 has WS, which are for themselves.

            J-10 is a former Lavi, not FC-1. Our engines are everywhere, except for the new J-10B.
            Quote: mvg
            As for the service ... since the 5th generation should have a lower cost per hour, less service hours, so the money / hours should be the same.

            This is in theory and only for industrialized countries. Moreover, in practice, the US is tormented with service and Raptor and B-2. The stealth coverage is very moody. What will the countries of Arabia, Asia, Africa do for them and for those Mig-29 shaitan-arba it is scary to imagine.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 15 October 2015 00: 10 New
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        Ты вообще понимаешь, что боевая нагрузка определяется еще и прочностью конструкции и нагрузкой на крыло? Сравни хотя бы Rafale с его огромной нагрузкой и Typhoon. У "рафаля" весьма нефиговое такое по площади крылышко с соответствующими последствиями для динамики. Так что нагрузка F-35 порядка 8 тонн, как у Су-27 при меньших же размерах свидетельствуют исключительно о перетяжеленности конструкции с точки зрения зрения истребителя, который возит ракеты легкие воздух-воздух, а не бомбы весом в тонны. Рост нагрузки в семействе Су-27 и в первую очередь на Су-35 вызван, скорее всего, именно усилением планера для повышения его ресурса.
        А так хоть ты тресни, но "ГАЗель" не сможет везти груз посильный для КАМАЗа, а если попробовать, то для нее это плохо кончится.

        Well, Americans with an engine in 19 tons of afterburner thrust can puff up and say that their maximum take-off is almost like that of the Su-35, but at least you're cracked, and with an equal weight, an airplane with 28-29 tons of thrust should fly not just better, but much better than a plane with 19 and even with 21 tons.
  19. nafanal
    nafanal 14 October 2015 17: 00 New
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    Hehe. They will bring their hawk for two more years.
  20. roskot
    roskot 14 October 2015 17: 01 New
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    Blinded for export. Maybe someone will buy it.
  21. Pogran
    Pogran 14 October 2015 17: 03 New
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    but what kind of dviglo on this bird will they put their own or ours?
    1. Awaz
      Awaz 14 October 2015 17: 26 New
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      hardly they have something of their own.
  22. Awaz
    Awaz 14 October 2015 17: 09 New
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    I don’t understand the topic of the race on the so-called 5th generation aircraft. There is nothing significant in these new angular cars. The so-called invisibility (that is, stealth) is a thing so arbitrary that it is in no way. Well, dry, got involved in the race, let him bring the plane to some decent characteristics and go. But at this stage I would have instructed Migu Yak to really develop the latest some kind of scheme for an airplane of a really new generation and not to copy the American idea of ​​dubious quality, if there are grandmas. We always knew how to build airplanes; probably there are still no equal gliders in general. so you have to invent and implement your fifth generation.
    One thing can be said about the Chinese. While they only know how to copy, that’s not all. Here a new generation of scientists and specialists will grow up, then they will be dangerous. Although probably before that for a long time. The same USSR after the revolution of 17 years rose from the fact that it had a good base of scientists who could (not without copying) but were able to create a new and revolutionary one. The Chinese have not yet. Although they probably work on it
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 14 October 2015 17: 55 New
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      " Так называемая невидимомость ( то есть малозаметность ) вещь настолько условная"////

      The thing is very specific. When the F-22 looks like a tennis ball on the radar screen,
      and F-15 of the same size - like a country house (from the same distance), then
      deciding whether to shoot a tennis ball will be difficult. Suddenly, a bird or a hindrance?
      And then it will be too late ... belay
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 14 October 2015 18: 11 New
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        Yes, yes .. you tell our Pvoshniks .. well, or Yugoslavian .. or better, the pilot of the F-117 .. let them laugh all together!
      2. Awaz
        Awaz 14 October 2015 18: 33 New
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        I’m not really a specialist, but I’ve talked with a specialist. The aircraft is poorly visible only under certain conditions, which nevertheless reduce its combat properties. There is still a topic such that they so far have not shone on our air defense and whether it knows how this air defense will react. Russian air defense systems work slightly different from the American ones and it may turn out that the declared American design characteristics may be erroneous. Also, the developers of Russian air defense about American planes have already known something for a long time and are probably working ahead of the curve. Do not forget the Americans' ability to hang noodles to potential consumers.
        The question also arises. How will they fight with Russian fighters? Well, let's say he saw Sushka before launching a rocket for 100 kilometers, in any case, a modern airplane will detect this rocket and there will be time to dodge it. It is only in American films that a rocket chases after an airplane, in reality if it missed, then everything .... flew away to nowhere. It carries little rockets, its speed is not much different. After all, they can catch up and litter. The topic is generally not yet understood. It’s too early to discuss their Russian air defense radars yet, but doubts overpower me
        1. IAlex
          IAlex 14 October 2015 22: 54 New
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          And you asked your specialists there, then they will be able to dodge the rocket, well, if not in Hollywood?
      3. Denis Skiff
        Denis Skiff 14 October 2015 21: 53 New
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        Suddenly, a bird or a hindrance?
        And then it will be too late.
        With his stick, with a stick they will knock down that ball.
      4. opus
        opus 14 October 2015 22: 16 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        Suddenly, a bird or a hindrance?

        and the bird flies from V from 800km / h? With overloads up to 10g?
  23. Hammer
    Hammer 14 October 2015 17: 33 New
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    will they accept us before?
  24. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 14 October 2015 17: 36 New
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    The Chinese managed to hack computers with many drawings and calculations of the F-35.
    They made an analogue to compete in sales with the Americans.
    1. iConst
      iConst 14 October 2015 17: 38 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      The Chinese managed to hack computers with many drawings and calculations of the F-35.
      - Here I am: I am invincible with Kulman and Whatman! laughing
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 14 October 2015 17: 54 New
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        Quote: iConst
        - Here I am: I am invincible with Kulman and Whatman!

        Why did they forget Comrade Raisfeder? smile
    2. opus
      opus 14 October 2015 17: 56 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      They made an analogue to compete in sales with the Americans.

      2 engine analog?
      Hacked single-engine blueprints and fooled with a twin engine?
      Hakali would be all then.

      accelerating capabilities, which can be seen by the afterburner midship, which is 2405 kg / m2

      J-31 is an experimental product of a light fifth-generation fighter with a range of 5 km, which is no less than that of the much-praised Raptor.

      promising LFI provides 12 suspension points as on heavy fighters (the F-35 has only 8). EPR J-31 both in front and in the tail is close to F-35. On the front 0,4 m2 without external suspensions.

      Measuring the dimensions of the J-31 nose radiolucent fairing, it is clear that an active phased antenna array with the energy potential of the Zhuk-A or AN / APG-68 radar will be installed, which can detect the F-35 at a distance of up to 105 km. / Very soon, under the “special status” program, thanks to urein and yusey, Chinese companies will receive the best example of the Russian radar industry - N035 Irbis-E radar
      =====================
      WHAT didn’t they hack the optical infrared intelligence system?
      1. retardu
        retardu 14 October 2015 18: 53 New
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        hi Anton,
        I doubt of course that someone from China said this to the person who wrote the original (I probably took everything from the wiki laughing ), but still.
        If he compares the radar with 68 (which according to Internet data has 10 EPR ~ 130km, and 1 ~ 74 km), then there can be no talk about 105 km. Or his EPR is already 1+ (since it compares it with f-35), not 0.4. Or there are far from 105 km
        1. opus
          opus 14 October 2015 21: 50 New
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          Quote: retardu
          the original was said by someone from China (I probably took everything from the wiki

          Dmitry on the wiki about radar
          And it does not mean the installation of Westinghouse AN / APG-68 (the Americans will not put it in China in China).
          Quote: opus
          Measuring radial nose fairing dimensions J-31, seen to be installed active phased array antenna with energy the potential

          as well as APG-68 (V) 9 Search range (air-to-air, fighter target with RCS 5-7m ^ 2) 296.32 km, 184 miles, put F-16D Block 52 + s, F-16 A / B Block 15 MLU
          A good relatively cheap little thing.But .... this is not AFAR

          AFAR will be APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar (SABR) AESA

          (по "посадочным " размерам -совместим с 68м) с китайского клона и данные.

          and 0,4 is the data of the Chinese.
      2. Falcon
        Falcon 16 October 2015 09: 52 New
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        Quote: opus
        WHAT didn’t they hack the optical infrared intelligence system?


        Hacked. True to J-20.

        I wonder why EOTS is not transparent, new technologies seem to be wassat
    3. Rroman
      Rroman 14 October 2015 20: 35 New
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      1. Hack.
      2. Those same computers?
      3. With the same ....
      4. Make an analogue (in what)
      5. Compete? Not the right markets for such high-tech products.
      1. opus
        opus 14 October 2015 21: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: RRRoman
        Not the right markets for such high-tech products.

        Well, admittedly, according to stubbornly oozing information, the J-31 will cost 3-3,5 times cheaper than the F-35.
        The Chinese convince that Argentina and Brazil are very interested
    4. IAlex
      IAlex 14 October 2015 23: 04 New
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      In my opinion, you overdo it, the Chinese are still very far from competing with the Americans, who will take their planes is a moot point, because you can buy some F16 and F15 for backward countries ... The prices are the same, but the quality is different, like the service and proven machines and you can upgrade ...
  25. Nitarius
    Nitarius 14 October 2015 17: 36 New
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    junk .. at best 4+ generation!
  26. lazy
    lazy 14 October 2015 18: 03 New
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    the moment we need to intensify the development of a new light fighter, when the United States and China will offer the 5th generation fighter on the market, the 4+ generation fighter on the market
  27. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 October 2015 18: 12 New
    +1
    Attempt at writing. Reminds a copy of Geledvagen Chinese. looks like
  28. exalex2
    exalex2 14 October 2015 19: 09 New
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    Пятое поколение и Ф-16 и Миг-29.. "Смешались в кучу, люди, кони.." Идиотизм..Кстати о двигателях. Что уже умеют делать???
  29. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 14 October 2015 21: 48 New
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    Quote: LiSSyara
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    The parameters are explicitly set above F-35.

    Actually, it fits 22. Here, our urge began on the basis of 144 to make an easy PAK.

    interesting. Is it possible in more detail?
  30. Xsanchez
    Xsanchez 14 October 2015 23: 20 New
    +1
    Nevertheless, the Chinese fellows, 10 years ago, they had nothing like that at all. What pace they have gained, they will bypass everyone in 10 years, and the 6th generation will be the first to strangle you. Respect dudes.
  31. Korgot
    Korgot 15 October 2015 03: 26 New
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    Well, if it will be sold on Ali Baba and cost as the sixth iPhone, then it is worth the money)).
  32. basilisk
    basilisk 16 October 2015 02: 27 New
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    Well so wow airplane flies. Although from MIGA and from SU and from F there is something. Well, they are Chinese. And these 8tn loads, so where did they get such engines? And the range?