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City of overgrown stocks

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Such a genre of fantastic literature as postapokaliptika is very popular now. The authors depict the collapse of civilization for one reason or another, the beginning of an era of general chaos and decline. The finale of humanity comes so quickly and ruthlessly that the survivors are not internally prepared for such changes. From the old world are literally crumbs: household items, weapon, instruments. Some mechanisms. But all these already meager reserves are finite. No production base, lost knowledge and technology. There are no masters and scientists capable of reincarnating this or that thing from the past life into metal.


Modern Ukraine increasingly resembles a country that has experienced, if not an apocalypse, then, in any case, a major natural disaster. Last week there was once a routine event for the city of Nikolaev - the opening of the bridge. Two ships of the Ukrainian Navy came to repair the 61 Communard plant: the Priluki missile boat (launched in Leningrad in 1979) and the border guard ship Grigoriy Kuropyatnikov (Yaroslavl, 1984 year). And everything would be fine, only the Ingulsky Bridge, under which both ships should have passed, ... did not divorce. For local residents, the breeding of the bridge is a rare sight to this day. By 12 hours of the day 16 September gathered the public. But nothing happened. Having rotated at the “closed door”, the boat “Priluki”, in the end, turned and left.

The authorities explained what happened in this way. A week before the described events, a specially invited Kiev company, using, as was said, “new technologies”, carried out repairs of the asphalt pavement of the bridge, during which “obviously, the bridge lifting mechanism was damaged”. The mayor of the city, Y. Granaturov, forbade attempts to build a bridge until “a complete clarification of the reasons”. From the point of view of a resident of the “post-apocalypse universe,” it seems that a technical artifact of the “civilization of giants” has failed and now it is necessary to call upon priests who have pieces of ancient knowledge.

Truly, only the “civilization of giants” could build such a powerful engineering structure with a movable span of 76,2 meter (the largest in Europe). Construction began on 1974 and was successfully completed on 1981. 6 November 1981, the Ingulsky Bridge was officially officially opened.

The Soviet Union at the turn of the 70-80s did not know such an annoying absurdity as the production crisis. The country built ships. The plant named after 61 Communards, or “61st”, as it was called in the city, was fully loaded. The BOD series of project 1134B has been completed, construction of the missile cruisers of project 1164 (the Atlant project, the current Moscow and its sisterships) has begun, construction of the project 557 rescue ship, the Octopus code, the future Elbrus, is underway. There are orders for civil fleet Soviet Union. The city is full of military, scientists, engineers. The bridge was bred almost weekly - in addition to the shipyard, it also carried out ship repair activities. Life was boiling on the river, floating cranes, tugboats, and other ships moved between the plants.

City of overgrown stocks

The middle of the 80's. The bridge is divorced normally. The ship of complex supply "Berezina" passes under the Ingulsky bridge


And all this time the bridge worked fine.

But howling over the country “winds of loss, partings, offenses and evil”, unkind winds of “freedom”. An entire epoch has left the city, and ships have left the waters of the 61 plant of the Communard. First, the military, then civilians began to disappear. 19 July 1999 year after the protracted repair the plant left the missile cruiser "Moscow", who was there for almost 10 years. His brother of the same type, "Admiral of the Fleet Lobov", now called "Ukraine", rusts against the extension wall. The fate of this ship, obviously, will be sad.

The shipbuilding industry of the independent Ukraine turned out to be, like the infamous cruiser, cut off by a slice (as the commander of the Naval Forces Haiduk aptly put it), which slowly but steadily withered. The economic crisis that began in 2008 and the WTO accession had a devastating effect on the 61 communard plant. He became engaged only in ship repair. The territory of the enterprise begins to run wild, overgrown with shrubs and trees. With the sockets of empty windows, unfinished workshops are gazing. By the way, the plant at the turn of 1980-90-x was planned to radically upgrade, expand the production base, build new buildings.

But, as it turned out, a new public education, proud of the many thousands of years history, the world's best lard and gold Polubotka, which no one has ever seen, does not need such a troublesome and complicated thing as the shipbuilding industry. And, as in the novels about the decline of history, it became easy to eat, break, wear what it inherited.

The newest history of Ukraine cannot boast of technical successes and achievements. There is no list of bridges, factories, power stations erected during the bright time of the Square. Those ships and ships, which until recently had already been completed and built, either belonged to the Soviet projects or were built for export.

In recent years, the plant finally began to resemble one of the locations of the well-known computer game STALKER. Rust, debris and dirt. It is symbolic that in the waters of the oldest shipbuilding enterprise in Nikolaev that gave life to hundreds of ships, August 6 2012 sank the dry-cargo ship Vasily Shukshin who arrived for scrap metal. The incident brought a loss on 4 million hryvnia in the then prices.

The newest times and completely tightened the noose. For a long time, the plant’s vital activity was largely provided by the funds allocated for the maintenance of the Ukraine-class missile cruiser, which was formally excluded from the fleet a long time ago, but it was impossible to give orders to cut the ship in almost 90 percent readiness even to the descendants of the ancient ukrs. So is "Ukraine" neither alive nor dead. Funds for its maintenance helped to survive to the team that was reduced to several hundred people. For contrast, during the time of the "totalitarian" USSR, almost 61 thousand people worked at the plant named after the Communard 16. He was the "smallest" of the three shipbuilding enterprises of Nikolaev, who lost the title of the city of shipbuilders. Now it is a city of overgrown stocks. Numerous specialized research institutes mutated into ordinary office centers. Vocational schools have disappeared. The era of sales managers and sales assistants did not need assembly workers, pipe benders, and markers.

Since the beginning of 2014, funding for a cruiser that has been transformed from a ship into a fixed displacement object has ceased.

In the autumn of 2014, the plant was involved in order fulfillment for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It consisted in the manufacture of ... stoves, stoves. Comedy, quickly passing through the stage of farce, turned drama. Originating as the cradle of the Black Sea Fleet, launched sailing ships and frigates, armadillos and dreadnoughts, cruisers and submarines, the plant in the final turned out to be involved in the production process comparable in scale to the activities of a small craft artel.

And although the day of the city this year was held under the motto "Nikolaev - Sail of Ukraine", embroidery and wreaths on this day were more than inconvenient references to the fact that the city grew around the shipyard that built ships for the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Empire.

The savage from the post-apocalyptic novel arranges a corral for livestock in the wreck of a spaceship. Uses an artifact, inherited from a lost civilization, because of its understanding and need. Sitting on a debris, fallen off from a rocket, looks at the stars. He has millennia of development ahead of him, when man will be able to surf the ocean and space again. New savages, who still remember how Nikolaev escorted the ships from his native harbor, did not look at the ocean’s distance, nor at the stars. It is doubtful that they will be able to create at least a stockbreeding base on the basis of a high-tech skeleton.


Totalitarian past 1987 year. BOD "Explanatory" for the Indian Navy leaves the waters of the plant. In the background BOD project 1134B



Square present. 2015 year. Rusting "Ukraine" (left). Border guard boat "Grigory Kuropyatnikov" hidden behind the dock (center)


... The Ingul bridge was still lit. The next day. From the third time. Reluctantly, he raised his mighty 76-meter steel “hand”. Now Ukrainian ships are in the waters. They are also not the brainchild of Square Ukraine. This is the Soviet legacy, which, by the way, is struggling here to the best of the "loving" forces. Will there be enough funds and capacities, and most importantly, knowledge and skills, in order to bring these middle-aged ships to an acceptable state? Will they share the sad loneliness of the grimly rusting "Ukraine"?

Nikolaev had already experienced years of decline and a period of shipbuilding pause. This happened after a defeat in the Crimean War, when, according to one of the points of the Paris Peace Treaty, Russia lost the right to have naval forces in the Black Sea basin. The shipyards were in desolation, the plants stopped. But a quarter of a century later, the Russian fleet was revived, replacing wood for armor plates, and sails for cars and boilers.

Will the shipbuilding past of Nikolayev sink into oblivion, or will the fleet return and breathe life into the cold steel stocks? Will onlookers walk past shabby ruins, exclaiming: “Here in 56 life was in full swing!” - or will ships leave the factories again?
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  1. Dart2027
    Dart2027 23 September 2015 05: 54 New
    +23
    It's a shame for the works of thousands and thousands of people put to the wind, but the result is logical.
    1. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka 23 September 2015 14: 35 New
      +2
      and the labor of 1000 people is a shame. And for the people themselves, who have long been away from work at the shipyard in their specialty, it hurts even more ....
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 23 September 2015 19: 22 New
      +6
      A savage from a post-apocalyptic novel sets up a livestock shelter in the skeleton of a spaceship. Uses an artifact inherited from a deceased civilization, due to its understanding and need. Sitting on a wreckage falling off a rocket, he looks at the stars. Ahead of him is the millennium of development, when man again can plow the ocean and space.

      The situation and this quote reminded Robert Heinlein's book Stepsons of the Universe. Almost all in one, except that Ukraine did not fly anywhere and only 25 years passed. And what a finale!
    3. Semen Purikov
      Semen Purikov 24 September 2015 23: 03 New
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      Quote: Cossack

      Ocean is the newest factory completely built under the Soviets. It is generally located where the hell out of town.
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      2. Semen Purikov
        Semen Purikov 24 September 2015 23: 43 New
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        So you said this: “It is generally located ...” But the place where it is located is fanned by such history and glory, Nikolaev was born from this place, and Potemkin loved this place so much that he could not live without it and went there even from Kherson - for some reason he called this city nothing more than a "coffin."
        Do not be lazy, read, please - about this place that you expressed so much about -

        http://www.my-nikolaev.pp.ua/2014/06/blog-post.html

        http://nikolaev-moscow.at.ua/publ/statja_o_nikolaeve/istorija_goroda/nikolaev_sh
        ire_moskvy / 9-1-0-139

        There it is - a place ... somewhere out of town. But no, a difficult place. smile
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  2. Dimy4
    Dimy4 23 September 2015 06: 00 New
    +10
    ... From the old world there are literally crumbs: household items, weapons, tools. Some mechanisms ...

    Here is such a post-apocalyptic landscape now reminiscent of our area - the fields are overgrown, the forest has been cut down, there are only ruins from the old Soviet enterprises, and those that still manage to work somehow survive their last days.

    (Note. Sudislavsky district of Kostroma region)
    1. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 23 September 2015 06: 46 New
      +17
      Yes, and we have many similar objects, effective management "
      And at many active enterprises there are many workshops resembling a war zone.
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      2. creak
        creak 23 September 2015 11: 52 New
        +10
        Quote: Kuzyakin15
        Yes, and we have many similar objects, effective management "


        Or maybe it’s time for the author to make a similar report about one of the regions mentioned in the comments ...
        I don’t know, maybe I’ll express an unpopular point of view, but in my opinion Ukrainian issues have recently begun to overshadow our problems, which we also have enough.
        The author is interested in what is happening in Ukraine - and he makes a report about Nikolaev and laments about what is happening there ... Or maybe it's worth making the same material, for example, of the same Kostroma region.
        Is the situation in the Ukrainian region more relevant than the situation in one of the Russian regions - we still live in Russia ...
        Judging by the comments, this is not so ..
        PS And maybe the whole point is that writing about a neighbor’s problems is easier and safer than writing about your own?
        1. 97110
          97110 23 September 2015 12: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: ranger
          Or maybe it’s time for the author to make a similar report about one of the regions mentioned in the comments ...

          And maybe not about one thing. They write about
          Quote: Dimy4
          Sudislavsky district of Kostroma region

          He was not, but I do not doubt it. The author’s view, fresh, from the side, would be useful. You can search for other examples of growth and development. If the author does not find, let him write.
      3. ava09
        ava09 23 September 2015 22: 24 New
        0
        Quote: Kuzyakin15
        Yes, and we have many similar objects, effective management "
        And at many active enterprises there are many workshops resembling a war zone.


        "Effective management" - effective theft or capitalism in Russian, is incompatible with scientific and technological progress. Something will surely lie in ruins, or “effective management”, or high-tech industrial enterprises. What, the people will choose ...
    2. VEKT
      VEKT 23 September 2015 10: 37 New
      +5
      In my neighboring villages 25 years ago there were dairy farms, 300 livestock heads, now there is nothing left there, even local concrete slabs were pulled.
      1. insafufa
        insafufa 23 September 2015 11: 12 New
        +6
        Quote: VEKT
        In my neighboring villages 25 years ago there were dairy farms, 300 livestock heads, now there is nothing left there, even local concrete slabs were pulled.


        This is what we have in Bashkiria now breaking up the remains of the state farm poultry farm and there was no trace left for it to be dismantled first and the same fate befell the cowsheds in our farm paradise can be counted on the fingers of one hand
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 23 September 2015 14: 36 New
          +2
          We were the governor of Kozhemyak. O.N. It seems that things in agriculture were moving, but mainly due to soy. I paid attention to milk and meat but the prices in the market are high. Now a new, young governor has arrived, which will be seen, as the old the governor took a howling team to Sakhalin. So that Kozhemyak would not be spoken about more by a business executive, not a politician
        2. Altona
          Altona 24 September 2015 21: 37 New
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          Quote: insafufa
          This is what we have in Bashkiria now breaking up the remains of the state farm poultry farm and there was no trace left for it to be dismantled first and the same fate befell the cowsheds in our farm paradise can be counted on the fingers of one hand

          ------------------
          In the Chelyabinsk region, however, many new poultry farms were built ... I don’t know about the cows ..
      2. 97110
        97110 23 September 2015 12: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: VEKT
        In my neighboring villages 25 years ago there were dairy farms, 300 livestock heads, now there is nothing left there, even local concrete slabs were pulled.

        In 1989-1990 he lived in Kotlas. I was with cadets at agricultural work on the right bank of Vychegda, opposite Koryazhma. Even then, villages turned into summer cottages, without cattle and farms, of course. The process has not been interrupted since the beginning of the development of capitalism in Russia. Sometimes weakened, sometimes intensified, but the people went to the cities.
    3. Serg65
      Serg65 23 September 2015 17: 03 New
      +4
      The Nikolaev Admiralty (the plant named after the 61 Communard) has been building ships for 215 years, it is a world-class factory and comparing it with the Chervono Dyshlo collective farm of the Sudislavsky district of the Kostroma province is at least not ethical !! If we compare, then with the Baltic Shipyard or the Northern Shipyard. Dimy4 if you want to compare something with something, so compare your Sudislavl with Shuvalova, especially since it’s 50 miles from you !!!
      1. Professor
        Professor 23 September 2015 19: 47 New
        -4
        Quote: Serg65
        If we compare, then with the Baltic Shipyard or the Northern Shipyard.

        What are you talking about? 61 is as old as a mammoth's egg, and you cannot compare it with normal plants.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 23 September 2015 20: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          What are you talking about? 61 is as old as a mammoth's egg, and you cannot compare it with normal plants.

          Oh Oleg, I beg you! And Shipyard Northern shipyards we have a baby ??? Well, yes, 68 will be a little younger. I no longer mention the Admiralty Shipyards lol . Yes, it’s not a question of who is older, but the fact that the chicken that carries the golden eggs of the goon unscrewed his head! But some 30-40 years ago, this plant produced luxury ships at sea, which went down in the history of the USSR Navy.
          1. Professor
            Professor 23 September 2015 20: 39 New
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            Quote: Serg65
            Oh Oleg, I beg you! And Shipyard Northern shipyards we have a baby ??? Well, yes, 68 will be a little younger. I no longer mention the Admiralty Shipyards

            Yes, you look at the slipway 61 th. Even with the scoop, they lived out their last days, however, as a true workshop. Therefore, 61 and bent first.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 23 September 2015 21: 25 New
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              Quote: Professor
              Yes, you look at the slipway 61 th. Even with the scoop, they lived out their last days, however, as a true workshop. Therefore, 61 and bent first.

              Your untruth, venerable! The plant named after 61 Kommunara is approximately equal to the Baltic plant in St. Petersburg in scale; it was a large, powerful plant under the USSR. ChSZ is generally a supergiant, equal to perhaps the Severodvinsk NSR, there are no more analogues in the ex-USSR. On this, falling apart from your words, Oleg, 54 destroyers, 32 SKR, 32 BOD ave. 15, 61 BOD ave. 7-B, 1134 cruisers ave. 3, plus the only 1164 refrigerators ( a factory in the USSR that built such ships). In the photo, the water area of ​​the plant in 90, at the eastern wall are Slava and Nikolaev.
              1. Professor
                Professor 23 September 2015 21: 34 New
                -2
                Quote: Serg65
                Your untruth, venerable!

                How interesting. You yourself were at (or as nikolayevets say "in") a factory? Have you seen the slipways? We stood there for a long time against the wall.

                Quote: Serg65
                On this, falling apart from yours, Oleg, words for 54 years before the collapse of the Union, 32 destroyers, 32 SKR, 15 BPK pr.61, 7 BPK pr.1134-B, 3 cruisers pr.1164, plus 90 refrigerated trucks (the only one a factory in the USSR that built such ships).

                Now compare the total tonnage of ships built at ChSZ, Ocean and Leningrad factories.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 23 September 2015 21: 57 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Professor
                  How interesting. You yourself were at (or as nikolayevets say "in") a factory? Have you seen the slipways? We stood there for a long time against the wall.

                  I was in the factory and saw the slipway, Oleg, you want to say that the docks of Ordzhonikidze, Kronstadt, the slipway of the Admiralty, the Baltic factory in those days shone with gloss?
                  Quote: Professor
                  Now compare the total tonnage of ships built at ChSZ, Ocean and Leningrad factories.

                  Oh don’t shake my brains, otherwise laughter makes my head spin! In this case, why not compare the total tonnage of all shipyards in the world with the 61 plant ??? fellow
                  Oleg, I’m not saying that this plant is the best, the best ... one of the best and I feel very sorry and insulted when it is compared with the collective farm “Forty Years Without Harvest” hi
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 24 September 2015 14: 01 New
                    -4
                    Quote: Serg65
                    I was in the factory and saw the slipway, Oleg, you want to say that the docks of Ordzhonikidze, Kronstadt, the slipway of the Admiralty, the Baltic factory in those days shone with gloss?

                    I want to say that the 61st didn’t shine even with the scoop and before ChSZ with the Ocean it was like ...

                    Quote: Serg65
                    Oh don’t shake my brains, otherwise laughter makes my head spin! In this case, why not compare the total tonnage of all shipyards in the world with the 61 plant ???

                    Give apples with apples. 61st with other plants. At least the Ocean.

                    Quote: Serg65
                    Oleg, I’m not saying that this plant is the best, the best ... one of the best and I feel very sorry and insulted when it is compared with the collective farm “Forty Years Without Harvest”

                    It is compared with the collective farm only [deleted], but among the Nikolaev plants he was lagging behind and survived much thanks to the proximity to ChSZ and Ocean.
                    1. Cossack
                      Cossack 24 September 2015 16: 20 New
                      +4
                      All in order.
                      The 61st clearly carried out those production tasks that it was aimed at, namely, the construction of the BOD, cruisers, special vessels, refrigerators and other ships and ships similar in tonnage. This is the oldest shipyard of Nikolaev. He never lagged behind and built those ships and the ships on which his slipways were capable ...
                      If I ride a minibus, and you are on the bus, this does not mean that I am "lagging behind." We just carry out different tasks.
                      ChSZ is also an old factory, but it was turned into a unique giant enterprise, because its location is much more favorable than that of the 61st.
                      The ocean is the newest factory completely built under the Soviets. It was originally built for the production of large-capacity civilian vessels. It is generally located in the country where it is now. Now it is also a district of Nikolaev.
                      Undoubtedly ChSZ is the most powerful plant of the three, but this does not mean that the rest “survived next to it” ... Everyone did their work and everyone had their own orders. The 61st had three stocks, the ChSZ had 2 stocks, 1 a huge prefabricated platform for the formation of blocks of hulls weighing up to 1700t, 1 line for in-line production of BMRT (conveyor for the production of huge trawlers), the Ocean has a 354-meter dry dock ... All this was previously used ... But it’s impossible to build more .
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 24 September 2015 16: 34 New
                        -5
                        Quote: Cossack
                        The 61st clearly carried out those production tasks that it was aimed at, namely, the construction of the BOD, cruisers, special vessels, refrigerators and other ships and ships similar in tonnage. This is the oldest shipyard of Nikolaev. He never lagged behind and built those ships and the ships on which his slipways were capable ...

                        He was lagging behind and simply was not capable of more. He had no where to develop; he was almost in the center of the city. On the right bank of Ingul, new workshops began to be built, but they did not have time.
                      2. Semen Purikov
                        Semen Purikov 24 September 2015 23: 36 New
                        0
                        Quote: Cossack

                        The ocean is the newest factory completely built under the Soviets. It is generally located in the middle of the city. Now it is also a district of Nikolaev.


                        So you said something like this: “It’s generally located ...” But the place where it is located is fanned by such history and glory, Nikolaev was born from this place, and Potemkin loved this place so much that he couldn’t live without it and went there even from Kherson, who for some reason called it "coffin".
                        Do not be lazy, read, please - about this place that you expressed so much about -

                        http://www.my-nikolaev.pp.ua/2014/06/blog-post.html

                        http://nikolaev-moscow.at.ua/publ/statja_o_nikolaeve/istorija_goroda/nikolaev_sh

                        ire_moskvy / 9-1-0-139

                        There it is - a place ... somewhere out of town. But no, a difficult place. smile
              2. Serg65
                Serg65 23 September 2015 21: 34 New
                +5
                And now the 2012 photo of the year, also the eastern wall, to the left of Lobov two inclined slipways on which the ships of the ocean zone were going.
  3. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 23 September 2015 07: 09 New
    +13
    ZIL, AZLK, Krasnoye Sormovo is only part ... We can do a little better, and then more for export.
  4. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 23 September 2015 07: 29 New
    +7
    Quote: Evgeniy667b
    ZIL, AZLK, Krasnoye Sormovo is only part ... We can do a little better, and then more for export.

    Well, Krasnoye Sormovo is a little off topic here, if they don’t want to release military equipment now, this does not mean that they have closed.
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 23 September 2015 08: 34 New
      +18
      Quote: Evgeniy667b
      Red Sormovo is only part ....

      at what such statements ??? .... we have regular deliveries of river-sea bulk carriers to the civilian fleet on the Red Sormovo .... the truth is more for export, but the plant plows .... moreover in two shifts ... if if there are no military orders, it still doesn’t say anything .... it is in the late 90s ... Mr. Bendukidze successfully ruined him, but he didn’t manage to .... so we don’t grab stars from the sky, but we don’t idle ...
      1. zoknyay82
        zoknyay82 23 September 2015 12: 01 New
        0
        I am sincerely glad for you !!!
  5. Aleksander
    Aleksander 23 September 2015 08: 25 New
    +9
    Even after the Crimean War, during the period of the ban, Nikolaev shipyards released 6 military sloops and a frigate, released in the "civilian" version.
    The bastards and criminals who handed over the cradle of the Russian Black Sea Fleet and its numerous bases to misunderstanding Ukraine, I hope, will still answer the descendants' court.
    1. Professor
      Professor 23 September 2015 19: 48 New
      -7
      Quote: Aleksander
      Even after the Crimean War, during the ban, the Nikolaev shipyard

      No and there were no shipyards in Nikolaev. There have always been shipbuilding factories.
      1. Aleksander
        Aleksander 24 September 2015 02: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        No and there were no shipyards in Nikolaev. There have always been shipbuilding factories.

        belay
        - Shipyard (niderl. Werf) - an enterprise for the construction and / or repair of ships and ships.
        - Ship-building company for the construction and / or repair of ships and ships.
        Potemkin-Tavrichesky - With the order number 282 from 27 on April 1789, he instructs his first assistant and friend, Mikhail Faleev, to shipyard on Ingul. "The shipyard at different times was called" New shipyard"," Ingulskaya shipyard"," Ust-Ingulsk ","Shipyard on Ingul "
        1. Cossack
          Cossack 24 September 2015 13: 58 New
          -1
          As a shipbuilding engineer, I will explain to you the difference between a shipyard and a shipyard.
          The shipyard is a shipbuilding company for the ASSEMBLY of ships and ships. In other words, other enterprises produce and deliver to the shipyard the lion's share of what the ship is going to, and the shipyard itself is engaged in the assembly of the hull and its subsequent saturation.
          The shipbuilding plant has the whole complex of processing and production equipment. Ship-assembly, machine-building, pipe-bending, furniture, hull obrab
          abaty and other workshops. In other words, CVD on its own produces VERY MUCH - from metal processing to the manufacture of propeller shafts, screws, various equipment, furniture, etc.
        2. Professor
          Professor 24 September 2015 14: 04 New
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          Quote: Aleksander
          Potemkin-Tavrichesky - By order number 282 from 27 on April 1789 of the year, he instructs his first assistant and friend, Mikhail Faleev, "to start a shipyard on Ingul." The shipyard at different times was called "New Shipyard", "Ingul Shipyard", "Ust-Ingulsk", "Shipyard on Ingul"

          Since the time of Potemkin, much has changed, including the methodology. Now, what was built a couple of hundred years ago is called a “shipyard”. Although this does not apply to 61. Now it’s not a plant or even a shipyard, but a scrap dump.
          1. Aleksander
            Aleksander 24 September 2015 20: 03 New
            +5
            Quote: Professor
            Quote: Aleksander
            Potemkin-Tavrichesky - By order number 282 from 27 on April 1789 of the year, he instructs his first assistant and friend, Mikhail Faleev, "to start a shipyard on Ingul." The shipyard at different times was called "New Shipyard", "Ingul Shipyard", "Ust-Ingulsk", "Shipyard on Ingul"

            Since the time of Potemkin, much has changed, including the methodology. Now, what was built a couple of hundred years ago is called a “shipyard”. Although this does not apply to 61. Now it’s not a plant or even a shipyard, but a scrap dump.

            But you are me "corrected" belay regarding TOGOPotemkin’s time when, in post-Crimean war Russia, supposedly, there were no shipyards in Nikolaev. But THEN they are there-Were.
            And I didn’t touch the 61. At all...
            Methodology was far BECAUSE ...
            hi
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  6. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 23 September 2015 09: 49 New
    +7
    Will the shipbuilding past of Nikolayev sink into oblivion, or will the fleet return and breathe life into the cold steel stocks? Will onlookers walk past shabby ruins, exclaiming: “Here in 56 life was in full swing!” - or will ships leave the factories again?

    There will be shipyards and ships when the Russian Empire is reborn and will absorb
    slurred education, called Ukraine.
  7. Limon1972
    Limon1972 23 September 2015 09: 56 New
    +8
    This is a small drop from the fact that in general throughout the Union. See how much has been swollen in agriculture in the Central Strip. For hundreds of kilometers, abandoned cowsheds and fields. IMHO at today's rate, it goes trillions of dollars!
  8. Taoist
    Taoist 23 September 2015 10: 48 New
    +2
    Yes, it's a shame, I served in Nikolaev. City factory, city garrison ... Was. MY TAKERS were all built there. And what kind of cars were on the Watering Hook ...
  9. Azitral
    Azitral 23 September 2015 11: 00 New
    +12
    Lipetsk province 2013. Former state farm, the fields are sown, there is a booth on the field. I talked with those who work. They cultivate 2/3 of the former land, collect and sell three times as much grain. For everything - about all 17 people. "And why did they ruin the village? Isn't it a pity?" "And what is it for? What road is there, ten minutes - Zadonsk, half an hour - and in Lipets (they are here and there, as they call Lipetsk)." But there are roads. Few where so many.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 September 2015 12: 02 New
      +6
      Quote: Azitral
      Lipetsk province 2013. Former state farm, the fields are sown, there is a booth on the field. I talked with those who work. They cultivate 2/3 of the former land, collect and sell three times as much grain. For everything - about all 17 people.

      Hehehehe ... I recall a report from the early 2000s from the Kursk region. Former collective farm, which has become some kind of agricultural partnership or cooperative. But people, basically, remained the same from the collective farm. They asked the chairman about the crop - he proudly said that it was 5 times more than during the Union. The correspondent was surprised - why? The chairman’s response killed me: "So now our salary depends on the crop. I had to do, as the agronomist says, and even read the old manuals from all sorts of agricultural research institutes - before we thrust them away without reading. Since fertilizers have risen in price - now they have to be applied also in science, on time and no more than what is required. So they raised the yield."
  10. Cucumbers
    Cucumbers 23 September 2015 11: 43 New
    +1
    Here it is necessary to look at the root of the problem. And the root is that there is a struggle with the worker. He is the grave digger of capitalism according to Marx. And the capitalists do not want to die. So it will be reduced to controlled amounts, why pay such a mob and replaced by cars is a strategic goal. And ISIS, all kinds of fascists are just tools.
  11. Glot
    Glot 23 September 2015 11: 43 New
    +9
    What can we say about Ukraine? Is it better in the Russian Federation? How many plants, factories, land have we sold for a long time, weeds are overgrown? How many villages and villages are empty?
  12. teron
    teron 23 September 2015 12: 13 New
    +5
    I wanted to blurt out that we are not much better, but I won’t. Over the past 10 years, we have built a lot of things, and not only entertainment centers. The old one still stands in some places, but much has already been dismantled and built up the territory. For better or worse - I do not know. Someone in the village goes bankrupt, and someone vice versa. Something is being done, something is not being done, but something is being done wrong. But there is movement.
    What is bad for Ukraine is that thanks to the dominance of their oligarchs, who decide exclusively their own issues, Ukraine and its industry today are going through the trials of our 90s. What will remain after that is a question.
  13. Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 23 September 2015 12: 22 New
    +4
    Quote: Glot
    What can we say about Ukraine? Is it better in the Russian Federation? How many plants, factories, land have we sold for a long time, weeds are overgrown? How many villages and villages are empty?

    Well, I don’t know, in our Elektrostal all the large plants are working and have not bent. And the fields in Mosk. and Vlad.regions are beginning to slowly master.
    1. Glot
      Glot 23 September 2015 13: 28 New
      +2
      Well, I don’t know, in our Elektrostal all the large plants are working and have not bent. And the fields in Mosk. and Vlad.regions are beginning to slowly master.


      It's good. And here, in Moscow time, well ZIL and AZLK will not concern, everything is already. But our TMZ (where the Buranas were made and engines for aircraft were repaired, etc.) almost all were leased out for warehouses and various buy / sell offices. I know because I worked there, I quit about a year and a half. From the past, only security guards remained, and so ... trend. My mother-in-law works as an engineer at RSK MIG. There, too, is not better; MIG is slowly going into oblivion. Fields near Moscow ... I have a summer residence there, after almost a mile of mine a hundred km .. Fields are standing, there are gouged cowsheds, before harvesters abandoned in those fields were still rusting. Now they’ve cleaned it, because summer cottages are being rented out (or I don’t know for sale) and the woods around are felled, they build houses for sale from these houses for sale. Actually, as I understand it, they live from this. But they live better than ten years ago. Previously, you walk around the town, there is Fincian - everything is ruined, there is no glass in the houses, the road is like a moon landscape - everything is in craters and so on and so forth. Now it’s not so, the roads have been repaired and continue to be repaired, the town is in order, everything is neat and tidy, a new bus station (or rather, a reconstructed old one) is standing, the church has been destroyed. In this regard, yes, it became better in the town, and noticeably better. But the fields are either leased for plots, and they are built there by leaps and bounds. The forest is cut. They live.
      Something like this. Well, this is only part of what I personally know and see. Maybe somewhere else.
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  14. Galan
    Galan 23 September 2015 19: 26 New
    +1
    While there is such a state as Ukraine in Nikolaev shipbuilding will not be. The shipbuilding industry is not only and so many shipyards (and not shipyards) are entire industries from metallurgy to varnishes and paints. And design offices, where Chernomorsudoproekt, where PKB Progress. Without this, there is no shipbuilding.
  15. starshina pv
    starshina pv 23 September 2015 19: 30 New
    +1
    Yeah, there was a big country !! to live and live in peace, to work !!! no, you have to put everything on your head.
  16. Professor
    Professor 23 September 2015 19: 44 New
    +3
    The “61st” plant in Soviet times did not shine either with technology or with any other indicators. Where to go were ChSZ and "Ocean". "61st" was started to modernize, but did not have time. The rest of the article is correct. Shipbuilding in Ukraine has died.
  17. Plombirator
    23 September 2015 21: 51 New
    +1
    Rather, Erofeev, but also Mr..
  18. Cossack
    Cossack 23 September 2015 23: 57 New
    +3
    The 61st plant is currently a corpse ... mummified. The equipment was cut and taken out; the stocks were overgrown with trees; an approaching railway light was dismantled and sold for scrap; the cargo ship Vasily Shukshin was sunk at the northern outfitting embankment, which came to be disassembled and drowned as a result theft of colored overboard fittings ... It is almost impossible to restore the plant, because it is technically and morally outdated ... Plus, Ukraine does not need it at all ... Even at ChSZ they tried to cut one of two unique 900-ton cranes on a slipway " 0 "... These cranes in pairs lift blocks up to 1700 tons in mass ... That’s how our TAKRs were built ...
    Previously, both bridges were bred without problems - the Ingul lifting, the Varvarovsky rotary ...
    I visited Lobov during the completion ... At the Varyag (then Riga) ... At the same time, the Leningrad anti-ship missile was being repaired at the plant (ChSZ), and the Kuznetsov TAKR (Riga / Leonid Brezhnev / Tbilisi), TAKR "Baku" (Admiral Gorshkov) and the gas tanker Vladimir Vaslyaev (now in the possession of rapid deployment forces), on the slipway TAKR "Varyag" (Riga) ... These were the times ... And after the descent into the water "Varyag" on the slipway began to form the ATAKR Ulyanovsk building ... but not fate ... they killed him in the womb ...

    Panorama of the 61st plant.


    Staple


    Dead unfinished.


    Drowned Vasily Shukshin
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 24 September 2015 00: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Cossack
      The 61 factory is currently a corpse ... a mummified

      Thanks for the description, as I saw with my eyes.

      Only links to photos do not work for some reason sad
      1. Cossack
        Cossack 24 September 2015 00: 10 New
        0
        Something doesn’t work ... ((((... I’ll try it now
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  20. Cossack
    Cossack 24 September 2015 00: 26 New
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    Overgrown slipway.


    Dead unfinished.Dead unfinished.


    Drowned Vasily Shukshin.
  21. SeregaBoss
    SeregaBoss 24 September 2015 06: 40 New
    0
    What can I say, sad, very sad.
  22. Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 24 September 2015 13: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: Grigorievich
    Quote: Glot
    What can we say about Ukraine? Is it better in the Russian Federation? How many plants, factories, land have we sold for a long time, weeds are overgrown? How many villages and villages are empty?

    Well, I don’t know, in our Elektrostal all the large plants are working and have not bent. And the fields in Mosk. and Vlad.regions are beginning to slowly master.

    It’s interesting, but who minus, I wrote a lie, or the pros only to those who only write negative.
  23. Val_y
    Val_y 24 September 2015 13: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: ranger
    PS And maybe the whole point is that writing about a neighbor’s problems is easier and safer than writing about your own?

    So it’s too early to write about “managers”, the main “managers” are also farmers, renegades and collaborators, still in favor, I’m talking about Chubais, Yavlinsky, Kozyrev, members of the “seven bankers” and the signatories of the “letter of thirteen”, all who are still alive are not arrested . And such crimes as the ruin of such a country, and the murder of millions of people, in this regard around the world, have no statute of limitations. Well, the "ice ax" has not been canceled ... So ... hi As they say in Odessa, "we will see." And I think as soon as all the remaining renegades "fifth column" are eliminated, first of all, no crap. In either pederast. Europe, or in that. Can do nothing, since they are holding these very thieves for the "faberge" , well, their followers; secondly, the collection of "RUSSIAN LANDS" will become faster, and Nikolaev, and Odessa, and Kherson, Zaporozhye, and Dnepropetrovsk, and Kharkov will return to Russia as the Novorossiysk province
  24. Aragorn
    Aragorn 25 September 2015 01: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: ranger
    Quote: Kuzyakin15
    Yes, and we have many similar objects, effective management "


    Or maybe it’s time for the author to make a similar report about one of the regions mentioned in the comments ...
    I don’t know, maybe I’ll express an unpopular point of view, but in my opinion Ukrainian issues have recently begun to overshadow our problems, which we also have enough.
    The author is interested in what is happening in Ukraine - and he makes a report about Nikolaev and laments about what is happening there ... Or maybe it's worth making the same material, for example, of the same Kostroma region.
    Is the situation in the Ukrainian region more relevant than the situation in one of the Russian regions - we still live in Russia ...
    Judging by the comments, this is not so ..
    PS And maybe the whole point is that writing about a neighbor’s problems is easier and safer than writing about your own?


    The problems of Nikolaev and others is just the Russian problem since these are Russian territories and, accordingly, the population. Now the geeks make the weather, because they are active, harmonious and paid, so there are such in any locality. No nationality - Russian (as they wrote duplicating the entry in Russian in the column nationality in the passports in the Ukrainian language), there is nationality RUSSIAN.
  25. xomaNN
    xomaNN 25 September 2015 19: 07 New
    0
    As a shipbuilder, it would seem a pity for the bent shipyard. However, no. The current UK. Susanin bosses lead the whole country to a standstill, what about shipbuilding bully
  26. Semen Purikov
    Semen Purikov 25 September 2015 23: 46 New
    0
    Like the Swedes near Poltava.

    But there were Swedes near Nikolayev.

    The war between the Russians and the Swedes, the Battle of Poltava, - entered the encyclopedia of different countries. But few know that the last point in the Battle of Poltava back in 1709 was set just under Nikolaev - south of ancient Vitovka (where the Ocean plant is located), near the village of Limany - on the Russian Spit.
    June 27, 1709 at dawn the Poltava battle began. By 11 a.m., the Battle of Poltava ended in the defeat of the Swedish army. From Poltava, the remnants of the Swedish army quickly retreated through New Senzhary to Perevolnaya, having covered a distance of one hundred versts in two days. In pursuit of Charles XII and Mazepa, two dragoon regiments and the Pereyaslavsky Cossack regiment went, then 4 more Ukrainian regiments and the regiment of Prince Grigory Volkonsky joined them. The troops of the Zadniprovsky Corps received orders to block the path of Charles XII and Mazepa to Poland.
    Having crossed the Dnieper, the Swedes first took a direction straight west towards Uman. But, learning about the order of Peter I to block the road to Poland, they turned to the south-west and quickly moved along the watershed between Ingul and Ingulets through deserted wild fields, gradually moving to the mouth of the Ingul river.
    25 miles below the mouth of Ingul, the retreating remnants of the troops of Charles 12 and the Cossacks of the hetman Ivan Mazepa stopped near the Epiphany Fountain (the source still exists today - the former Vitovka). Then they moved to the Dneprobug estuary, to the Russian spit. There fast fortifications were created. The camp was located on the upper bank, and in front of it was a long sandy cape, protruding far into the river against the Voloshskaya Spit itself - the land of the Ottoman Empire. This sandy cape ... even in the days of Turkish rule was called the Russian scythe. The distance of the estuary at this place is about 1,5 km.
    For two days, Charles 12 waited for the decision of Ochakov Pasha to send ships for crossing. As soon as the fleeing Swedes began to board the ships, as soon as the king reached the opposite bank, Russian weapons sparkled in the steppe.

    "On the morning of July 6, scouts from the Cossacks reported the appearance of advance patrols of the Volkonsky cavalry. The Swedes hastily left the territory of the Nikolaev Peninsula, where they could be in a sack. The detachment moved along the left bank of the Southern Bug through Vitovka to the Russian Spit (modern village Limany). Here weary soldiers built an earthen fortification - a medical assistant and made a two-hour halt.
    In the evening, we started crossing from the Russian Spit to Voloshskaya and ... did not have time. The cavalrymen of Major General Volkonsky overtook the fugitives. An unequal battle ensued, as a result of which 800 Swedish soldiers were driven into the estuary and drowned, 400 people were captured. According to Krmann, only the Cossacks fiercely resisted. Many died, others who knew the steppe well, hid in thickets and reeds (now the area of ​​the NGZ sludge field).
    Charles XII fell into the possession of Ochakov Pasha with a detachment of 100 people. That was all that was left of his invincible army. The Turkish Sultan granted Charles XII and Mazepa a residence in Bender. The rebellious hetman soon died, and Karl spent almost five years with the Turks. "

    In this battle, nearly 900 Swedes died. Despite the fact that the fugitives were able to get ahead of the Russian army of pursuers and to gain a foothold at the very crossing (about 320 m earthen rampart), the battle was hard. The forces were unequal and the fugitives, not waiting for the comfortable boats, rushed to swim, hoping for luck.

    And here again the figure of Hetman Mazepa. Historians argue that Ochakov Pasha was offended by Mazepa and did not send boats and rafts for crossing for a long time. If everything had arrived on time, then the Swedes and Cossacks would not have entered the battle and would not have died at this crossing.

    In 1774, according to the Kuchuk-Kaynardzhsky peace treaty, Vitovka, together with other settlements and lands between the Dnieper and the Southern Bug, was transferred to Russia.