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The frigate of the 22350 project "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" went to state trials in the White Sea

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Head frigate of project 22350 Admiral fleet Soviet Union Gorshkov ”to go through the next stage of testing, left Baltiysk and headed for the White Sea. State tests of the warship will be carried out at several sea ranges. Previously, the frigate passed all the necessary tests in the Baltic Fleet. From message press service Western Military District:


At the Baltic Fleet, the ship successfully passed all stages of factory trials, during which the ship’s running performance, the work of the main power plant, ship systems and devices, auxiliary mechanisms of communications, detection and navigation, and anchor device were checked.

In addition, high-speed, maneuverable and vibration tests of the ship were carried out. The ship successfully completed a number of artillery and missile firing at naval BF test ranges, and also completed anti-submarine missions in conjunction with naval aviation.
It is expected that by the end of this year the ship will enter the combat strength of the Russian Navy.


The frigate of the 22350 project "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" went to state trials in the White Sea


The developers of the ship declare the implementation of the technology "stealth" on the ships of this project.

For your information:

The 22350 1 frigates of the Soviet Union Gorshki project were laid out on 2006. The 22350 frigates are typical ships with a solid superstructure of the half-semi-rigid design, made using composite construction materials based on polyvinyl chloride and carbon fibers (composite materials reduce the level of secondary fibers. fields of the ship through the absorption and dispersion of radio waves).
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  1. Maksus
    Maksus 22 September 2015 14: 52
    +29
    Seven feet under the keel! More ships, good and different. That's just 9 years for the frigate - a bit much, you have to do something with the timing.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 22 September 2015 14: 57
      +2
      We look and be proud ...! It goes beautifully ... but what's inside ... keep quiet! [Media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? Feature = player_d
      etailpage & v = UBm-FsTNIME]

    2. insafufa
      insafufa 22 September 2015 14: 59
      +7
      Quote: Maksus
      Seven feet under the keel! More ships, good and different. That's just 9 years for the frigate - a bit much, you have to do something with the timing.

      Quote: Hubun
      the soul rejoices as the fleet is renewed, since the time of the Union, however, this was not
      I will say one thing finally
    3. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 22 September 2015 15: 57
      +6
      Well, as they say in a good way !!!
    4. Tusv
      Tusv 22 September 2015 16: 39
      +4
      Quote: Maksus
      Here are just 9 years for the frigate - too much, something needs to be done with the deadlines.

      The second Admiral of this series is already undergoing tests. The third is waiting for the engine
    5. SALLAK
      SALLAK 22 September 2015 22: 30
      +1
      Not the USSR ... so there’s nowhere to go, thanks for nine. If it were not for the tension in Ukraine and, as a result, the strengthening of the army could have been longer in time. It’s a pity that the new Admiral Gorshkov is less than his previous brother who bore this name ...
  2. Hubun
    Hubun 22 September 2015 14: 54
    +3
    the soul rejoices as the fleet is renewed, since the time of the Union, however, this was not
    1. figwam
      figwam 22 September 2015 14: 56
      +9
      Yes, and aviation in the Middle East is on the alert, impressive ...
  3. kil 31
    kil 31 22 September 2015 14: 59
    0
    Of course, I’m not a moroman, but I wondered. Why does he still go north. Submarine I understand the tests at the right depths. It seems he should be attributed to Balt. to the fleet.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 22 September 2015 15: 04
      +18
      Shoot with "caliber", there are large polygons. It has always been assigned to the Northern Fleet, like the rest of 22350, in the Baltic, except for corvettes, in the near future, nothing is expected.
    2. avt
      avt 22 September 2015 15: 08
      +2
      Quote: keel 31
      . Why is he still hiding north.

      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Caliber "to shoot, there are large ranges. It has always been assigned to the Northern Fleet, like the rest of 22350s, in the Baltic, except for corvettes, in the near future, nothing is expected.

      Yes. Probably there will remain to serve.
      1. mike_z
        mike_z 22 September 2015 16: 48
        0
        It also says - to the White Sea, i.e. not quite in the Northern Fleet, but closer to Severodvinsk, i.e. to the production base. There are also polygons there. They will "lick" the identified shortcomings. It's okay. But for a long time!
      2. mike_z
        mike_z 22 September 2015 16: 48
        0
        It also says - to the White Sea, i.e. not quite in the Northern Fleet, but closer to Severodvinsk, i.e. to the production base. There are also polygons there. They will "lick" the identified shortcomings. It's okay. But for a long time!
    3. kostya-petrov
      kostya-petrov 22 September 2015 15: 09
      0
      Quote: keel 31
      It seems he should be attributed to Balt. to the fleet.

      no, a corvette brigade is being formed at the Baltic Fleet. And there will be frigates in the North and Pacific. And there will be patrol ships in the Black Sea Fleet!
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 22 September 2015 15: 34
        +1
        Quote: kostya-petrov
        Quote: keel 31
        It seems he should be attributed to Balt. to the fleet.

        no, a corvette brigade is being formed at the Baltic Fleet. And there will be frigates in the North and Pacific. And there will be patrol ships in the Black Sea Fleet!

        Sorry, I didn’t know how they assigned to the fleet which fleet needed which ships. Of course, you can argue with the General Staff about this, but they decide it, not us. hi
    4. Gvozd
      Gvozd 22 September 2015 16: 06
      +1
      No, he’s just like the whole series will serve on the SF. So it will just pass state tests at the duty station, which is logical.
    5. Tusv
      Tusv 22 September 2015 16: 47
      +2
      Quote: Kil 31
      Of course, I’m not a moroman, but I wondered. Why does he still go north. Submarine I understand the tests at the right depths. It seems he should be attributed to Balt. to the fleet.

      You are confusing the admiral series. Project 11356 is inland Grigorovich and Essen. Admirals of project 22350 are already ocean
  4. kimyth1
    kimyth1 22 September 2015 14: 59
    +7
    GDP proposed to invest 60 lard in an asterisk !!! et also pleases !!!
    1. kote119
      kote119 22 September 2015 16: 36
      +5
      not to Zvezdochka (Severodvinsk), but to the Star (B. Kamen, Primorye)
      1. sir.jonn
        sir.jonn 22 September 2015 16: 59
        +3
        Quote: kote119
        not to Zvezdochka (Severodvinsk), but to the Star (B. Kamen, Primorye)

        We'll be hoping for a widespread revival. "The Red Forge" in Arkhangelsk is slightly updated.
  5. kostya-petrov
    kostya-petrov 22 September 2015 14: 59
    +4
    Seven feet under the keel.
    It’s great that the Red Banner Northern Fleet will be replenished with the latest shock combat unit.
  6. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 22 September 2015 15: 06
    +10
    In the Caspian, everything is covered in chocolate - this is the only Navy unit capable of fully performing the assigned tasks: 2 missile defense systems pr.1166.1 "Dagestan" with "Caliber-NK", "Tatarstan" (while under repair, however, a new radar "Hals" was installed on it , which indicates a change in the composition of weapons, according to some sources it will be armed with "Caliber", like "Dagestan", according to others, anti-submarine weapons will be installed to combat the Iranian submarine), 3 MRK pr.21631 with "Caliber-NK", 3 IAC pr. 21630, RCA pr. 12411T, "Serny", "Dugong", and four "old men" of project 1204 will not fail.

    True, last year they brought out 3 РКА pr.206М, but the boats themselves are old, and the П-15М does not meet modern requirements. There is a partnership with Iran, and the Navy of Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan can not be taken into account. However, the number of IRAs pr 21631 on CFL plan to bring to the originally planned 6, after the end of the series for the Black Sea Fleet.
    Baltika, too, is not all that bad: "Persistent" pr. 956-flagship, from time to time goes to sea, showing the flag.

    True, it is a little unclear what will happen to the "Restless", they do not repair it, and they don’t rent it on pins and needles ... TFR pr.11540 are in ocean service, "Fearless" is under repair until the beginning of next year, but this is good, at last it will be installed on it strike weapons, at least the Kh-35 "Uranus", as on the "Wise". All 4 newest corvettes of Project 20380 (the situation with the "Guarding" is not clear, allegedly it is still under repair), regularly nightmares of sprats and insignificant descendants of the Vikings. Plus the latest Dugongs and Raptors. In 2013, the landing force was reinforced by the repaired Zubr, pr. 12322, Evgeny Kocheshkov. The situation with the submarine also improved a little: the B-227 Vyborg was repaired, which allowed the B-471 Magnitogorsk to go home from the Northern Fleet. Next year they plan to transfer the repaired B-806 Dmitrov to the fleet. The main problem in the Baltic is the absolute obsolescence of the IPK pr. 1331M, which do not have missile weapons (the Strela-2M MANPADS does not count). If they can still fight with the Polish (former Norwegian) Cobbens, they are absolutely helpless against the newest German pr. 212A, and especially the Swedish Gotlands with VNEU. This year, the BF should also transfer the newest BTSH pr. 12700 "Alexander Obukhov", which will finally strengthen the capabilities of the fleet to combat modern mines.
    1. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 22 September 2015 15: 13
      +6
      The situation at the Black Sea Fleet has changed for the better: This year the fleet will receive the first TFR pr. 11356 "Admiral Grigorovich", which is planned to be transferred to the fleet in the near future and it is likely that it will appear at the World Cup this year, and in November-December the second TFR of the project "Admiral Essen", which is completing mooring trials and will enter the ZHI in October.

      Finally, we have repaired the old Petrevestniks - Ladny and Pytlivy, who are already serving in Mediterranean. On Monday, September 14, September 18, the repaired SKR "Smetlivy" left Sevastopol for the BS in Mediterranean, allegedly after a while "Moscow", "Ladny" and "Pytlivy" will join it.

      Plus, the Bulgarians have repaired the Caesar Kunnikov large landing craft, which is actively involved in the Syrian Express. Allegedly, the newest large landing craft "Ivan Gren" pr. 11771, which is planned to be transferred to the fleet this year, will also go to the Black Sea Fleet. This year, the strike forces of the fleet will also be strengthened, due to 2 new MRK pr.21631 with "Caliber-NK" "Zeleny Dol" and "Serpukhov", which are already undergoing sea trials. Plus, under the guise of the story of the transfer of the R-32 pr. 12421 from the Moskit anti-ship missile system to Egypt from the Baltic Sea Fleet to the Black Sea Fleet, at least it is now based in Sevastopol. The departure to the Zvezdochka for the repair and rearmament of the Moskva has been postponed and the fleet will not be left without a long arm and a flagship, since it was decided to dispose of the Kerch. But here, too, different options are possible: from the inclusion of "Admiral Gorshkov" in the Black Sea Fleet, to the transfer of "Yaroslav the Wise" from the Baltic Fleet. Submarine forces have sharply increased - by the end of the year, the Black Sea Fleet is planning to have 4 diesel-electric submarines of pr.636.3, the first of which B-261 "Novorossiysk" arrived at the base on September 21, and B-237 "Rostov-on-Don" should also be transferred by the end of the year ...

      Plus, by the end of the year, they plan to withdraw the B-871 Alrosa from repair. And in general, the situation will already become bearable.

      I hope that the fleet will still include captured Ukrainian ships, at least the most modern ones: BDK pr. 775 "Konstantin Olshanskiy", MPK pr. 11124M "Ternopil" and "Lutsk" and SRZK "Slavutich".
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 22 September 2015 15: 19
        +2
        Not everything is so good in the North. Due to problems with an unreliable control system, the "Admiral Kuznetsov" is more idle in the port than sailing at sea, as recently it was taken out of the dock at the 82nd Shipyard. And his air group is still incomplete, since the newest MiG-29Ks have not yet arrived. The aircraft carrier requires major repairs, but due to lack of funding, the repairs are constantly postponed indefinitely. TARKR "Admiral Ushakov" under repair until 2018. There remains one "Peter the Great", which also docked for repairs.

        The situation is no better with other ships of the 1st rank: the newest "Admiral Chabanenko" pr.1155.1 is under repair until next year, the "Admiral Ushakov" pr. 956 is not allowed further than Spitsbergen, there are 3 BODs of pr.1155 that have essentially become "workhorses. ". So in October, the VPK "Vice-Admiral Kulakov" is going for a combat exit to the Atlantic.

        The situation with the newest frigate of project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov", which will be handed over to the fleet in November, is not yet clear: it was planned for the Northern Fleet, but the BF (the proximity of the manufacturer), and especially the Black Sea Fleet, also actively claim it. However, most likely it will remain in the Northern Fleet as a temporary replacement for the Chabanenko, after the repair of which not a single modern "walking" strike ship remained in the fleet to accompany the Peter and Kuzi. This year, the Federation Council should receive a corvette pr.20385 "Thundering", but due to sanctions, most likely not. Things are no better afloat, despite the last year SSBN K-84 "Yekaterinburg", the transfer of the newest K-560 "Severodvinsk" pr. 885 to the fleet, and the arrival from the Baltic at the end of 2013 B-585 "St. Petersburg "project 677, which is still listed in trial operation. So out of 18 nuclear submarines, only 7 are in service (1 project 885, 2 project 949A, 1 project 945A, 1 project 971, 2 project 671RTMK). True, that year it was planned to return from repair B-336 "Pskov" pr. 945A and K-335 "Gepard" pr. 971. Things are no better with diesel-electric submarines, despite the withdrawal in 2013 from the modernization of B-800 "Kaluga" and the expected exit from the repair and modernization of the B-23 Vladikavkaz from the Kalibr missile launcher on September 459.

        In addition to St. Petersburg, there are only 2 diesel-electric submarines in service: B-800 Kaluga and B-471 Magnitogorsk. The B-402 Vologda will most likely be scrapped, while the B-808 Yaroslavl is being repaired at Zvezdochka. True, the B-177 Lipetsk returned from the BF, but immediately got up for repairs, and most of its crew was sent to Vietnam to help receive diesel-electric submarines of pr. 636.1. Here, before next year, the transfer to the fleet: "Kazan" pr. 885, no improvements can be expected.
        1. Roman 1977
          Roman 1977 22 September 2015 15: 27
          +6
          Pacific Fleet-full arctic fox. The core of the RRC fleet of pr.1164 "Varyag", 3 BOD pr. 1155 and the destroyer pr. 956 "Bystry", which does not go further than Shanghai. True, they should return from repair of the BOD pr.1155 "Admiral Tributs" and BDK-101 "Oslyabya" Perhaps this year the Pacific Fleet will be replenished with the repaired RRC pr.1164 "Marshal Ustinov." The dates of delivery of the first corvette of the ASZ "Perfect" pr. 20380 are shifted to the right next year, and knowledgeable people say that at best, and most likely in 2017 The situation with the TARKR pr.1144.2 "Admiral Lazarev" is not clear. The situation with the submarine is even worse: out of 10 nuclear submarines, only 3 are in service (pr. 949A K-456 "Tver" and K-186 "Omsk" and K-150 "Tomsk"). Out of 8 diesel-electric submarines-5. B-187 "Komsomolsk-on-Amur" and B-190 "Krasnokamensk" under repair. B-445 "St. Nicholas the Wonderworker" is likely to be decommissioned. And all this against the backdrop of the growing Chinese Navy by leaps and bounds , Japan and South Korea.
          So this year the Navy should receive:
          Surface ships:
          - Project 22350 frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" on "Gorshkov", most likely not.
          -SKR project 11356 "Admiral Grigorovich"
          -SKR pr. 11356 "Admiral Essen" (Black Sea Fleet) - November-December.
          -corvette pr.20380 "Perfect" (Pacific Fleet) - most likely they will hand over to the fleet next year.
          -BDK pr. 11711 "Ivan Gren".
          -2 MRK pr. 21631 "Zeleny Dol" and "Serpukhov" (Black Sea Fleet)
          -BTSch pr. 12700 "" Alexander Obukhov ".
          -2 DKA pr. 21820 "Dugong" "Lieutenant Rimsky-Korsakov" and "Warrant officer" Lermontov "(BF) -already in the Navy
          -5 patrol boats of project 03160 "Raptor" (Black Sea Fleet) -4 have already been transferred to the Navy: 3-Black Sea Fleet, 1-BF.
          -patrol boat pr.BK-16 (CSF)-passes the test
          Submarines:
          -B-262 "Stary Oskol" pr. 636.6 (Black Sea Fleet)
          -B-265 "Krasnodar" pr. 636.6 (Black Sea Fleet). Launched on April 25, according to the plan should be transferred to the Navy in November
          Total: 2 DEPL, 11 surface ships (6-7 for sure) and 8 boats.
          Auxiliary:
          -Rescue vessel pr. 21300S "Igor Belousov"
          - Oceanographic vessel of project 22010 "Yantar" (SF) - delivered to the fleet on May 23
          - Project 18280 medium reconnaissance ship "Yuri Ivanov" (SF) -adopted by the Navy
          From the repair plan to withdraw:
          - RRC pr. 1164 "Marshal Ustinov"
          - BOD pr. 1155 "Admiral Tributs" (Pacific Fleet)
          - RKO pr. 1166.1 "Tatarstan" (KFL)
          - BDK pr. 775 "Oslyabya" (Pacific Fleet)
          - training ship pr. 877 "Perekop" - being repaired in Bulgaria until August 2015.
          - SSBN K-44 "Ryazan" pr. 667 BDR (Pacific Fleet)
          - nuclear submarine pr.945A "Condor" B-336 "Pskov" (Northern Fleet)
          - nuclear submarine pr. 971 K-335 "Gepard" (Northern Fleet)
          - nuclear submarine pr. 971U K-419 "Kuzbass" (Pacific Fleet)
          - diesel-electric submarines pr. 877 "Alrosa" (Black Sea Fleet)
          - diesel-electric submarines pr. 877 B-459 "Vladikavkaz" (repair and modernization)
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 22 September 2015 15: 45
            0
            Well, "Gorshkov" most likely yes, it was not in vain that he finally left for the North. But "Gren" most likely not, because it has not even gone out to sea yet.
            According to the support, still maritime weapons transport (MTV) "Academician Kovalev" should replenish the composition.
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 22 September 2015 19: 35
            0
            Here it is necessary to clarify that Japan, China and Korea stamp ships according to yesterday's technologies, Russia can also stamp outdated ships, but is it necessary?
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 22 September 2015 15: 39
          +3
          Quote: Novel 1977
          TARKR "Admiral Ushakov" under repair until 2018.
          "Admiral Nakhimov" hi
          1. Roman 1977
            Roman 1977 22 September 2015 15: 55
            +4
            Yes, I agree with you, of course "Admiral Nakhimov", I apologize for the mistake.
            With ships of the first and second rank now in the Navy is a big shortage, so in the ranks:
            1 aircraft carrier "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov", with an incomplete air group (8 Su-33), with missing "Granites", the MiG-29K has not yet been received.
            1 TARKR pr. 1144.2 "Peter the Great" is undergoing repairs at the dock, the second "Admiral Nakhimov" (former Kalinin "is currently not capable of combat) is being repaired and modernized until 2018." Admiral Ushakov "(former" Kirov ") has already been decommissioned, and after him "Admiral Lazarev" is written off to the Pacific Fleet (formerly "Frunze"). Total of 2 TARKRs, 1 is under repair and one is under repair and modernization.
            3 RRC pr. 1164: 1 SF ("Marshal Ustinov"), 1-Black Sea Fleet ("Moscow"), 1-Pacific Fleet (Varyag "), of which" Marshal Ustinov "is undergoing repairs and modernization by the end of this year. the end of the year was to be occupied by Moskva, however, due to the disruptions in the delivery time of the SKR pr. 11356 and the fire at the BOD pr. 1134B "Kerch", which led to the decision to dismantle the ship, it was decided to postpone the repair until next year.
            7 BOD pr. 1155 (3 Northern Fleet and 4 Pacific Fleet), of which the BOD Admiral Tributs (Pacific Fleet), according to the plan on June 30 was supposed to get out of repair, but there were no reports about this, the one that we will look at has not yet been received ... Those. dry residue 6.
            1 BOD pr. 1155.1 "Admiral Chabanenko" (SF) is our only ship that can be safely called a destroyer under repair until the end of next year.
            3 destroyers pr. 956 (BF, Northern Fleet. Pacific Fleet) - due to problems with the DCU, they became essentially ships of the near sea zone. "The Baltic" Nastoichivy "- with tugs only goes to the test ranges near Baltiysk. Svalbard, Pacific "Fast" beyond Shanghai.
            2 TFR pr. 11540 (BF), of which "Fearless" is undergoing repairs and modernization until the middle of next year, followed by "Yaroslav the Wise" for repairs. while in service alone
            1 BOD pr. 01090 "Sharp-witted", loyal to the fleet already in 1969, and did not receive the Kh-35 "Uran" anti-ship missile system, to its launchers removed from the decommissioned "R-44" RCA, to which the route cable was not even connected.
            SKR pr. 1135 "Ladny" and SKR pr. 1135M "Pytlivy" are outdated ships, with weak air defense (2 "OSA-MA" air defense systems), the enemy will be good enough to frighten the enemy, but in a real battle, at best, "rocket catchers"
            Total we have-19 ships, of which only 13 are in the ranks, of which 3 are completely obsolete ships ...
        3. VALERIK_097
          VALERIK_097 22 September 2015 17: 03
          +1
          Quote: True, that year they planned to return from repair B-336 "Pskov" pr. 945A and K-335 "Gepard" pr. 971
          We planned, we will return.))))
      2. KGB WATCH YOU
        KGB WATCH YOU 22 September 2015 17: 17
        +1
        BOD "Kerch" will not be disposed of, but a museum will be made of it! fellow
        http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/543748.html
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 22 September 2015 17: 47
          +3
          Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
          BOD "Kerch" will not be disposed of, but a museum will be made of it!

          So at the Black Sea Fleet there is already one museum:

          Maybe put Kutuzov back into operation? Kaptsov would have liked ... laughing
          1. KGB WATCH YOU
            KGB WATCH YOU 22 September 2015 18: 02
            +1
            This one is in Novorossiysk, and that one will be in Sevastopol good

            Can put Kutuzov back into operation? Kaptsov would have liked ... laughing

            And how... lol
          2. SIvan
            SIvan 23 September 2015 20: 59
            0
            Quote: Alexey RA
            So the Black Sea Fleet already has one museum. Can put Kutuzov back into operation? Kaptsov would have liked ...

            I was just at the beginning of the month in Novorossiysk. When I walked along the embankment and looked at "Kutuzov", I immediately remembered Oleg laughing
  7. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 22 September 2015 15: 08
    +1
    "The ship's design has a" high percentage of novelty "- at least 30% of new technologies and developments. In particular, part of the hull and superstructure elements will be made using stealth technology. The ship is so secret that even its appearance is known only to designers and shipbuilders . "
    Well, God forbid! And seven feet under the keel .....
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 22 September 2015 16: 50
      +1
      Appearance has long been known to everyone, has already departed so much in the Baltic, Putin held a meeting on the day of the Navy)
  8. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 22 September 2015 15: 11
    0
    Vibration tests of the ship, I wonder how they are conducted
  9. Evpatiy.
    Evpatiy. 22 September 2015 15: 21
    +3
    In comparison with the prospect of the development of the Ukrainian fleet, everything turns pale! lol
  10. tatarin_ru
    tatarin_ru 22 September 2015 15: 35
    +1
    I am glad that the fleet is not only being restored and repaired, but also is being modernized (communications, weapons, etc.), not to mention the introduction of new frigates, etc.
    The military-industrial complex works no matter what they say.
  11. Protonbrest
    Protonbrest 22 September 2015 16: 11
    0
    Ah yes handsome. Rolling mills modernized? I hope not crumpled near? Enamel as it is the most! There were dents and not. Fuel must be saved to increase speed.
  12. Platonich
    Platonich 22 September 2015 16: 17
    -2
    And in our entire economy only the military-industrial complex works. The rest is bent and is now bent with terrible force.
    1. kostya-petrov
      kostya-petrov 22 September 2015 16: 19
      +2
      Quote: Platonitch
      The rest is bent and is now bent with terrible force.

      in your words there is a concrete lie!
      Can you give us examples of "dying industries"?
  13. ASK505
    ASK505 22 September 2015 17: 00
    +1
    There is so much detailed information on the fleet that you are amazed. Under Soviet rule, they would not have looked for such a thing. I remembered a poster that was always relevant from those times: "A chatterbox is a godsend for a spy."
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 22 September 2015 17: 53
      +2
      Quote: ASK505
      There is so much detailed information on the fleet that you are amazed. Under Soviet rule, they would not have looked for such a thing. I remembered a poster that was always relevant from those times: "A chatterbox is a godsend for a spy."

      Yes, yes, yes ... otherwise the West did not know this information.

      These are Soviet citizens under Soviet rule officially received only the required minimum - which is why wild rumors were proliferating "telling the truth - godfather's brother-in-law's godfather knew the one who saw it himself". It came to insanity - Western directories with information on our fleet were secret.
  14. SPIKER
    SPIKER 22 September 2015 19: 06
    0
    Seven feet under the keel, "Admiral ..." !!!
  15. roskot
    roskot 22 September 2015 19: 19
    +2
    And a holiday comes to our street. The fleet is both being updated and modernized. And this cannot be overlooked.
  16. KRIG55
    KRIG55 22 September 2015 20: 08
    0
    The real one was Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union. Under him, the ships did not rot against the wall. Seven feet under the keel of the ship, may it proudly bear its name.
    1. Awaz
      Awaz 22 September 2015 21: 51
      0
      Well, I served in the Navy under the USSR ... I will say that everything happened. It happened that two-thirds of the crew were idle due to lack of spare parts.
      But the crisis, I think, will catch up with some hotheads and abandon stupid aircraft carriers and concentrate on ships more needed and corresponding to the Naval Doctrine of the Russian Federation
  17. kvs207
    kvs207 22 September 2015 22: 47
    0
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Yes, yes, yes ... otherwise the West did not know this information.

    It was Soviet citizens under Soviet rule that officially received only the required minimum - which is why wild rumors were proliferating "I tell the truth - the godfather of my uncle's wife's brother knew the one who saw it himself." It came to insanity - Western reference books with information on our fleet were secret.

    Also did not understand why such a veil of secrecy. I understand, if you secret something that is not in sight, such as the performance characteristics of missiles, gun mounts, the type of engine, but the main dimensions could be published. I subscribed to the "Marine Collection" in the 70s in order to learn at least something about our fleet.
    I found out about the nuclear cruiser "Kirov" in the "Marina-calendar" published in the German Democratic Republic in 1986, and in sufficient detail, and it just shocked me. By the way, the East Germans published a lot of military literature and did not particularly care about secrecy.
    1. SSeT
      SSeT 25 September 2015 00: 05
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      Ohhhhhh! The German two volumes of the gift edition on rifle and tanks, 1989 edition were my technical reference books, absolutely gorgeous! I covered my teachings in NE and riflemen in theory, like a god with numbers and scans from a turtle, all tests and exams were automatic .. eh!
  18. Wolka
    Wolka 23 September 2015 05: 15
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    a handsome boat, seven feet under the keel ...
  19. oleggun
    oleggun 23 September 2015 06: 38
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    What kind of banderlog zamusnovuval article ??? A vrazhin crawled onto the site ...)