Poland decided to repair the Bulgarian MiG-29 without the participation of the Russian side

Polish defenders undertook until the end of 2016 to repair the 6 engines of the MiG-29 fighters in service with the Bulgarian Air Force, reports REGNUM with reference to the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Bulgaria.

“The parties signed an agreement on cooperation in the military sphere, as well as a letter of intent for military-technical cooperation. In accordance with the agreement, Poland will repair the engines and units of three fighters by the middle of 2016, and the remaining three by the end of the year, ”the release says. It is assumed that the repair will deal with the Polish state-owned enterprises WZL 2 and WZL 4.

An agreement on this was reached on August 28 during the visit of the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Defense of Poland to Sofia.

“The signed documents create broad prospects for developing partnerships in the defense sector,” said Bulgarian President Rosen Plevneliev. - We perceive these agreements not only as a means to extend the life of the Bulgarian fighter aviation, but also as a tool for expanding cooperation, both in the defense industry and in many other areas. "

The head of the Polish Ministry of Defense, Semonyak, said in his reply that "Poland realizes how important it is for Bulgaria to preserve the flying resources of fighter aviation, and will do everything possible to meet the expectations."

In January, 2015 was reported that Bulgaria refused to renew the contract with the Russian Federation for the maintenance of MiGs due to the “high cost of repairs”.

Commenting on this decision, the representative of the RAC "MiG" in Bulgaria, Alexander Alexandrov, said that "Poland cannot carry out repairs and maintenance of the Bulgarian MiG-29, since it does not have the necessary license for this."

According to him, “the Polish side buys all the spare parts for the MiG-29 in Russia, so the repair of these fighters in Poland, by definition, cannot be cheaper.”

RSK MiG warned that after repairing airplanes in Poland, they would consider them defective and "disclaim all responsibility for their continued operation."

Comments

[Altona]

As the rogues were, they remained ... Let them do the left "budget" repairs at the Poles to "extend the resource" ...

[milann]

These "brothers" have always betrayed Russia. What's in the first, what's in the Second World, as well as with the South Stream. However, they stand with each other.

[boozer]

"- In one word - Romanian!
-So he is Bulgarian !?
-What's the difference?"
There is nothing to add, corrupt "brothers", poverty in life ...

[bobby]

Bulgar speaks a language similar to Russian. Romanian speaks a language similar to French.

[Hell's Angel]

"-What's the difference?"
No, not between languages, but between Bulgarians and Romanians? The Iskander do not care!

[severniy]

I have a grandfather (prof driver), as it took the Zhiguli box to sort out ...
with a bookie ... sorted everything out in order ..., looked, looked, then grabbed everything in a bag and went to buy a new one ... and MiG seems to me to smell more difficult than a Zhiguli box ...

[Igluxnumx]

I once undertook to sort out the Niva distribution box. With a little book. It turned out, I go for the 4th year.
Although, MIG-29 - this, of course, will be more difficult.

[ingener1966]

The box from Moskvich 2140 was first sorted through a booklet, and then, in 3 hours, it was sorted through to all friends. MIG’s engines are indeed much more complicated because Gazprom took part in gas compressor launches.

[KaPToC]

Quote: Iglu40

I once undertook to sort out the Niva distribution box. With a little book. It turned out, I go for the 4th year.

Somehow I took MTZ-82 to sort through, without a booklet but with a red diploma - it turned out.

[sso-xnumx]

Quote: KaPToC

Somehow I took MTZ-82 to sort through, without a booklet but with a red diploma - it turned out.

I respect !!!! Himself at MTZ learned to ride, the beast tractor !!!!!

[Shurik70]

Quote: severniy

I have a grandfather (prof driver), as it took the Zhiguli box to sort out

Phew ...
So when I was in the army, a neighbor in the bunk undertook to fix a mechanical wristwatch.
Disassembled. Collected. A couple of gears were extra.
But the MAIN THING - the clock EARNED !!!
And they worked normally until the end of the service.

[Rarahin]

Rephrase an old joke:

Dismantled the poles for repair of the MiG-29. They wiped off oil drips, dull parts were wiped with a cloth, tinted ...
Collected strictly according to the instructions.
The result was a diesel locomotive.
Poles ofigeli a little.
Disassembled.
Again (just in case) they wiped everything with a cloth, collected it ... Diesel locomotive.
Carefully studied the instructions. Dismantled. Collected (this time they did not dare to rub with a cloth): there is a handsome man - a diesel locomotive! All shines, already glitters from leaving!
There is nothing to do, we bow to the Russians.
They call MiG RSK, they say so and so, they dismantled it for prevention, collected it (strictly according to the instructions !!!), and we got a diesel locomotive. Like a mess, some kind.
- Have you carefully read the instructions?! - Ask at the RSK.
- Of course, carefully!
- Have you read paragraph 97 of Appendix D ??!
The Poles were taken aback:
-What point? What application? What is written there??!
- And there it is clearly said: after assembly, process with a file to give the necessary shape!

[Foxmara]

driver does not mean mechanic. And the Poles have a twinkle. They also had their own aircraft factory. Before cooperating with the Yankees. Now only rem base. Because the Yankees do not need Poland to produce something there, except for Russophobes. But there is a rem base, and technically they can very easily repair it in an instant.

[Tatyana]

angel of hell (xnumx)

The Iskander do not care!

The betrayal of each other by peoples, in particular, is engendered by the currently dominant Chicago ideology of M. Friedman, the so-called. "clean" market for capital, goods and labor.
It is on this that the United States builds its international policy to establish its own "new world order" according to the principle "Divide - and rule!"

[BLACK-SHARK-64]

clever Tanechka .... only not everyone understands this ... or they do not want to understand ...

[NordUral]

There is no net market. It exists in the inflamed brains of our liberals. I speak from my own experience - if you are not in the structure, then you need to be seven spans seven times in the forehead to take place from scratch, even with a great idea and whether it is a development. If there is no funding, no success. Rare exceptions only confirm this.
I was lucky, but in the end, all the same, production had to be closed during the crisis. Because he worked alone, without state support and orders.

And Bulgarians are criminals in relation to their pilots. However, this is their business. They betrayed us, they will sell us theirs.

[takto.onotak]

There is an addition, Americans can preach any ideology, but the decision to follow it is made exclusively by the end consumer, so "brothers", we are not brothers ...

[Hell's Angel]

Well, the Romanians are understandable ... But the Bulgarians? After Shipka, they fought against us in all the wars. I would like to note that there were no Americans as a "hegemon" at that time. And who betrayed whom? Brothers say ...?

[The stranger]

Do me a favor - remind me when, where, by what forces after Shipka, clashes took place between the Bulgarian and Russian / Soviet forces. When they fought together, against a third party.
How do you rub yourself - apologize?

[The stranger]

Yes, by the way, the same Romanians were allies of the Russian Empire in the same Fifth Russian - Turkish War of 1877 - 1878, which is Liberation for us. And they were killed in it less than Russian and Bulgarians, but many. Like the Finns, Swedes, Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks, ...
The Romanians also had their own selfish interest in it, because before it, they were Vasals of the Ottoman Empire, and after it they were freed.
When did they become traitors - when did Ceausesco quarrel with Brezhnev, or after?
In World War I, they also fought with you against us. And in the Second - already - against you. But in the 46th, their current king joined the Communist Party, and fussed with Stalin. Which a little later, he still hung.
Who betrayed whom?

[Hell's Angel]

In August 1916, when the preponderance of forces began to lean towards the Entente, and Austria-Hungary suffered a terrible military defeat from Russia, from which it was never able to recover, Romania (it seemed to be becoming a habit among Romanians) decided to grab its freebie a piece of Austria-Hungary and declared war on her. But German troops came to the aid of Austria-Hungary. It ended with the instant defeat of the fearless Romanian warriors. Russia had to save Romania and organize a new front. Here on this front, Bulgarian troops with Austria-Hungary and Germany opposed Russia.
Bulgaria, which fought on the side of Germany in World War II, despite a widespread misconception, did not fight the USSR. She refused to declare war on the USSR and, unlike all German allies, did not send troops to the eastern front. Moreover, she maintained diplomatic relations with the USSR. In 1944, the USSR itself declared war on Bulgaria, but it did not come to military action. As soon as the Soviet army entered Bulgaria, a communist coup took place, and Bulgaria itself declared war on Germany. It's true. But she fought in a different place, which indirectly helped Germany. Bulgaria was not alone in this. Finland, Hungary.

[The stranger]

"... but fought in another place ..." What is the sin of Bulgaria.
Then I will have to reciprocally declare the war of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, where about a million Bulgarians live, a betrayal of my interests, which indirectly helps the United States. Russia is not alone in this. Serbia, Turkey, Greece. And somehow, the betrayal of the Russian Transnistria does not come out of the news. Where the majority of the population speak better, but outdated Bulgarian, than me. Which saved the 14th Army of the Russian Federation that year, although it later abandoned them.
Do you really need more history? It will not be in your favor if you have a thesis - I betrayed you. That I am polite is not a reason for me being rude. It’s my decision to treat Russians well. The imposition of a relationship to someone, we have a sharply opposite reaction, a national feature.
Here you have a national peculiarity - you think that you SHOULD love you for what you are. And we are used to being hated for the same. Maybe it’s even more incomprehensible why we don’t shout Hyle Putin And because you still have to live to such a chant. It’s easy for you to be Russian on Red Square on May 9th, and for me to be myself is war. The question is not about me personally, and, thank God, it’s not Panfilov’s yet, but my soul feels it. Yes, it won’t come true under a joke, but you certainly don’t help such weak nonsense to my weak forces.

[pytar]

After reading this hardening, he got angry at first, and then he started laughing! What a terrific ignorance! The only case when the Bulgarians fought against the Russians, is during the First World War. And it will be more accurate if we say that it was not the Bulgarians who fought against the Russians, but the Russians who fought against the Bulgarians! Clashes took place in Dobrudja, where the Russians came to help the battered Romanians, as in Macedonia, where the Russians helped the French and Greeks against the Bulgarians. So look at the map where is Dobrudja, where is Macedonia and where is the nearest Russian territory !!! This is all the lands of Sanstefan Bulgaria, which the Russians themselves liberated, and later under the Berlin Treaty they were forced to transfer back to the Turks, thereby returning the 2 / 3 newly liberated Bulgarians back to Turkish slavery. The same lands inhabited from the Bulgarian 1300 years, were later occupied by our neighbors during the All-Union War in 1913.! Ksati Dobruzh, this is the area south of the Danube, which can be called the most Bulgarian of all Bulgarian lands, because it was just that first piece of land in the Bolkans where Bulgaria was created in 681! In 1878, northern Dobrudja, Russia transferred to the Romanians as a dividend from the Romanian participation in the liberation war against the Turks. Romania has never been there in history and Romania did not want Dobruzhda. She wanted Moldova and Besarabia, where Moldovans related to the Romanians lived. Since Russia itself took away Moldova, the Romanians eventually agreed on the original Bulgarian Dobrudja. Then the Romanians still got an appetite and took all Dobrudja right up to Varna! The fighting during the PVP took place just in the Bulgarian territory! Before you write some kind of stupidity, it will be more useful to see the map! WWII was a Just Liberation War for us! Who came to whom to war ??? I tell me ??? If they come to your home to kill you and your loved ones, then of course you will take up arms and you will be selected! It was you who came to us, not we to you! Understand once and for all that Russia's actions towards Bulgaria were not always fair, for which they received a corresponding reaction! during WWII, the Bulgarian army again did not go a step outside the territory inhabited with Bulgarians within the same Stanstefan Bulgaria! Ksati Russia itself in 1878 unambiguously recognized that territory the Bulgarian land / land of the Bulgarians /! What kind of betrayal are you talking about? Who betrayed whom ??? You know ... one smart person once said that ignorance is one of the most terrible human sins!

[Hell's Angel]

Calling "you" to a stranger I will write off the fact that Russian is not YOUR native. And where did I get nasty at you, you are our touchy?
You cannot understand that Russia doesn’t care who Bulgaria is friends with now. This is your choice. You just made it clear that as a member of NATO, Bulgaria is now seen as a hostile state in military terms and in case of war our missiles will not care where they were sent. And who once fought with whom is already a story. You asked for the facts, I gave them to you. That's all.
Understand once and for all that Russia's actions towards Bulgaria were not always fair
The world is generally unfair. We see this every day in Russia. Get used to it. Moreover, we have good US-EU teachers. Now in Russia "only business and nothing personal."

[boozer]

It seems to be written in Russian, but I did not understand ...

[edeligor]

Mister "obvious" damn it! Psheki with Labus - the most MAJOR Judas of the 21st century !!!!

[Bijo]

Romanian speaks a language similar to French [/ quote]
Romanian speaks a language similar to gypsy

[The stranger]

Are you gypsy mastak, haka le?

[BLACK-SHARK-64]

and in Moldavian .... Japanese .....

[inkass_98]

Quote: bobby

Bulgar speaks a language similar to Russian. Romanian speaks a language similar to French.

It was a quote from the movie Brother 2, father. Here, on this site, specific vocabulary is often used, which is inaccessible not only to foreigners, but also to long-term emigrants who do not follow the local culture and subculture.

[Maxom75]

You can speak Russian, but at heart you can be a bastard. The question is not the language, but the deeds, the Bulgarians have always betrayed Russia, they are very unreliable comrades. It’s not worth doing business with, and with this approach they will soon become part of Turkey again. Only this time, Russia will not release them, but will give the Turks to be eaten.)))

[pytar]

The thesis about the "betrayal" of the Bulgarians, in recent years, is very widespread in Russia. It is ksati brought from outside you. And with this approach, it is not surprising that there are so many enemies and foes around Russia. Maybe it will be for the benefit of the commentators here, learn the truth from more competent Russians:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTPA9M2HDTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnrA5HitnNw

[Evgen_Vasilich]

Quote: pytar

The thesis about the "betrayal" of the Bulgarians, in recent years, is very widespread in Russia. It is ksati brought from outside you.

The thesis about the betrayal of the Bulgarians was brought from outside by the "brothers" during the First World War, the Second World War, the collapse of the CMEA, the USSR, the Warsaw Pact. For all the pre-good, they answered despicably (almost a quote). So, your business is veal, the owners are Americans, so your business is veal, sit down, wait, wait ...

[pytar]

Since there are people who have nothing, it is impossible to prove in any way, and they don’t care about any facts, there is no point in trying and try. I have given links to information that people who are knowledgeable and competent pass to you! I look, in vain ... I sympathize.

[berenika]

recently, everyone has taken on us to sympathize and worry about us - sympathize with yourself and worry about yourself. Whatever the dwarf in the backyards of the Russian Empire strives to teach us how to live with us.

[BLACK-SHARK-64]

100 +++++++++++++++++++++++ =

[BLACK-SHARK-64]

Daragoi, what thesis ... historical facts and only facts ... Against facts and history, you can’t trample .... EVEN IN NATO STRUCTURE !!!!! No dust on .................. angry

[KaPToC]

Quote: pytar

I gave links to information above

None of your words will overcome your deeds.

[65 Centurion]

From the Warsaw Pact to NATO! Well, well, not traitors, NATO bastards!

[Tiamat2702]

Dear, the most real threat to Russia is NATO (if you do not agree, you are blind), Bulgaria is in NATO. That says it all. Though from the outside, at least not from the outside. You are traitors!

[BLACK-SHARK-64]

Daragoi, what thesis ... historical facts and only facts ... Against facts and history, you can’t trample .... EVEN IN NATO STRUCTURE !!!!! No dust on the site .... gun .-. he...................

[sso-xnumx]

Quote: pytar

And with this approach, it is not surprising that there are so many enemies and enemies around Russia.

Minus one! in vain you are so! Was in July this year in Bulgaria. The attitude of people remembering the times of CMEA and VD towards Russia and Russian tourists is normal. The current authorities are scolding how much in vain, I don’t know about youth. Communication with them is only within the hotel admin. Although they were in the same village, the local elderly villager did not want to talk with us, and she almost climbed up to kiss the Naglich group. Maybe her pounds or Jews are nicer than the left?

[BLACK-SHARK-64]

and all for free - circumcision ...

[bastard]

Quote: BLACK-SHARK-64

and all for free - circumcision ...

Great aw! For the most. . .

[BLACK-SHARK-64]

yes pokher ... he is a traitor and in Africa a traitor ....

[proletarian]

And the Poles are ruining them.

[fevg]

Quote: bobby

... Romanian speaks a language similar to French.

Belongs to the Romance group. Italian is somewhat closer than French. Ask the Moldovans - they are also "Romans". )))

[sso-xnumx]

Quote: bobby

Romanian speaks a language similar to French.

Romanians speak a dialect similar to modern Italian. And about the content of the article: "The miser pays twice!" And if the Bulgarians after the Polish repair of the car are crushed, bringing the remaining vehicles back to normal will cost twice as much! (+ fix Polish interference!)

[lukewarm]

And what from this? Of course, not a smear of all smear, but, however, a trend.

[Wasiliy1985]

I often remember this episode lately .. Extremely relevant!

[jovanni]

"RSK MiG" warned that after aircraft repair in Poland it will consider them defective ... "

Yes on the head of the "brother" were defective ...

[MarKon]

Right so
Yes? -What's the difference?"

[Sweles]

Quote: milann

These "brothers" have always betrayed Russia. What's in the first, what's in the Second World, as well as with the South Stream. However, they stand with each other.

the people of Bulgaria also suffer from their own government, as well as Russian-Bulgarian relations, it’s not the people of Bulgaria who determine politics, but those who climbed into power and control the country, it was like that before, it is now ...

[Corporal Valera]

the people of Bulgaria also suffer from their own government

Poor, poor people of Bulgaria! (Brushed away a tear) And you don’t find that in recent years 100, the people of Bulgaria have been choosing the government with enviable regularity, from which they then suffer? After the epic with the South Stream, this government could (and should) have a black mark. Apparently, those who claim that the people deserve their government are still right. There and hoh ly are not to blame either! Everything in their life happens beyond their will.

[Sweles]

Quote: Corporal Valera

Apparently, all the same, those who claim that the people deserve their government are right.

now it is already clear that the so-called "democracy" and its main feature "free elections" actually have nothing to do with popular will and freedom, it is not the people who choose their government, but those who have big money, a merchant soul and a lying tongue and so in all countries ...

[Siberian1965]

Got it? And how will you feel about the elections that took place in the cannibal tribe according to completely democratic procedures, or in a society of pathological killers? Democracy bears no moral or ethical burden. It’s just a way, invented back in the days of Adam, to put a strong male on the throne without bloodshed. But at that time, the survival of the tribe depended on the real strength of this male and, accordingly, democratic procedures made sense. Now everything is much more complicated. In my opinion, the elites are deciding everything now. And democracy is a fairy tale for id..ov.

[pin313]

You might think you have a perfect government. Especially before Putin was, and now also excellent. Where is your black mark?

[16112014nk]

That's right. In the anti-people pro-ve of Russia, scammers and thieves do not think about the people, but about their personal interests. As one clever man said: "Have you heard that the wise man came to power?"

[andrei.yandex]

You might think we live better.
How Bulgaria lives (Cognitive TV, Plamen Paskov):

[Alexey Boukin]

Corporal Valera.
Excuse me, dear, do you personally choose your government? ..

[tundra]

The order from the Washington regional committee did not come to resent their government.
As they say, having such friends, enemies are not needed.
Brothers scrap them in s ....

[ver_]

... people are too loose concept ...

[Maxom75]

And this government does not elect the people of Bulgaria? The main thing was chosen, and now they are suffering.)))

[Tiamat2702]

Quote: Sveles

the people of Bulgaria also suffer from their own government, as well as Russian-Bulgarian relations .....

Each nation deserves its ruler (government).

[gozmosZh]

these "brothers" would be cut out.
yes sneeze! will they change the copper tube? will fly in and scorch. me on "brothers" and pshikalov - vosche sneeze.

[bobby]

Poland is another matter, because Russia is an eternal enemy. How can you sell your enemy?

[boozer]

I have a normal attitude towards Poland and the Poles. I did not consider them enemies and do not consider them. Yes, Poland has its own problems, so what? They live for themselves, do not go anywhere much ...

[asiat_61]

Apparently you do not read gentry newspapers, but hello my friend !!

[Bijo]

Quote: bobby

Poland is another matter, because Russia is an eternal enemy. How can you sell your enemy?

So let's declare war and forward to Russia, since the "eternal enemy". Or do you just like at the European Football Championship you can beat women and "drunk" men with a crowd, well, of course, "Poland is another matter."

[Hell's Angel]

It seems to me the gentlemen our fans oh how they wait for the Polish at the 2018 World Cup. But only our police are afraid I will be quick Polish. It's a pity. Debt good turn deserves another.

[andrei.yandex]

After that, in betrayal, I doubted.
An Inconvenient Story: Bulgarians vs. Russians?

[Alexashka964]

Quote: milann

These "brothers" have always betrayed Russia.

Short memory of these Turkish concubines. Forgotten completely who freed them from the Ottoman yoke ...

[The stranger]

What are you doing, judges - impostors ???

The article is about NATO’s stupidity, and you should be glad that there will be less than 6 fighters against you. Instead, in insane comments, they did something that the best Anglo-Saxon propagandists do not even dream of. Why did you need this? Repeat hundreds of times one lie, will offend friends and allies, and get what? Self-affirmation? In what? The fact that the young, stupid, and not reading their own or world history? So nobody disputes this for you. I know and understand what is happening and why, I also represent the understanding of your leadership on the Balkans. But what do you command to cover the local Russophobes who looked at these three pages of hysteria? And then just who is not necessary - they saw.
Oh, guys ...

[Hell's Angel]

Just to make it clear to everyone that the Bulgarians cannot be trusted. And with the next "batch" in Russia, there will be no illusions. And then maybe someone, by naivety, will not press the button.

[The stranger]

Trust in what?
Bulgaria cheated in something? Did you hide something? Didn’t you? Not paid? Attacked?

[Ruthless]

For which the owners gave permission, they went for the "repair." They are patients with limited legal capacity (both have to do with it) ...
Again, nobody canceled kickbacks in those parts

[gjv]

Quote: Ruthless

For which the owners gave permission, they went for the "repair".

On July 13, 2015, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law amending the Air Code. Its main innovation was the ability to change the standard design of a civil aircraft, aircraft engine, propeller, not only by their developer, but also by the developer of changes to such standard designs. Thus, the amendments, in fact, legalize the work of Russian enterprises, for example, with aircraft of the "An" brand.
In February of this year, Show Observer showed an interdepartmental decision from 2014 (without signatures) on working with the armed forces of this brand, which was approved (or should have been approved) by the leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Industry and Trade. From the draft document, in particular, it followed that OJSC "Il" was defined as an authorized design bureau for the An-124 aircraft and acting in Russia as the developer of the specified aircraft; EMZ them. V.M. Myasishcheva - An-24, An-26, An-28, An-30, An-32, An-12, An-72, An-22, An-140, An-148; SibNIA - An-2.

An-124-100 Ruslan aircraft of Volga-Dnepr Airlines (left; registration number RA-82081, serial number 9773051462165, serial number 08-03; the last built aircraft An-124) and the 224th flying squadron of the Russian Air Force ( on the right; registration number RA-82038, serial number 9773054955077, serial number 06-02) at Tolmachevo airport (Novosibirsk), June 24.06.2015, XNUMX (c) NSK spotter / Yurij Vladimirovich / russianplanes.net

How the situation with the design support of An aircraft will now look like can be partly understood by the example of An-2 aircraft. In early July, SibNIA director Vladimir Barsuk said in an interview with RBC: "Antonov has no rights to develop this aircraft <...>. Previously, they belonged to the Ministry of Aviation Industry, today - to the RF Ministry of Industry and Trade. After the well-known events in Ukraine, an interdepartmental decision was made on the appointment of SibNIA as the developer of An-2 ".
It is high time, as Poland is repairing the MiG-29 of Bulgaria without the consent and participation of Russia.

[siberalt]

Miser pays twice. "Repaired", but written off. Business then.

[Inok10]

Quote: siberalt

Miser pays twice. "Repaired", but written off. Business then.

.. hardly .. probably the mattresses are financing, because the rest, Bulgaria itself and NATO do not have money, and most likely the following scheme, the amount is 10 mil. dale:
The United States allocates 10 mil for repairs.
Bulgaria rolls back 20% to the "giving hand" 2 mil., The remainder is 8 mil.
Bulgaria plunders another 20% of the remaining 8 mil. and equips Poland for the remaining 6,4 mil.
Poland is also not a fool and immediately cuts 20% again to mattress mats, they will cover up if the Russians "run over" and the remaining 5,12 are naturally cut by Polish masters by another 20% and the remaining 4,096 end up at an aircraft repair company, where they are also not stupid and contract for this business Ukraine for 1,5 mil. .. and everyone is happy and satisfied .. and Russia did nasty things and took the money .. here is the truth, the fate of Migov can be sad, they will be "lost" by chance in the vast expanses of Ukraine, as was the case with Indian transport workers .. .. and another unpleasant moment, it may be a scheme for the transfer of used Soviet equipment for arming the wide Ukrainians ..

[Semen Semyonitch]

Guess three times what will happen if these fighters appear in the sky above the Lao PDR ... They, in my opinion, have their own ... Only a little sense.

[khromin]

write off without repairing. type, but I could not, could not ....

[meriem1]

Quote: siberalt

Miser pays twice. "Repaired", but written off. Business then.

Yes, let it go !!! There, the Americans, together with the Ukrainians, upgraded our engine on the last rocket that they fell. Let it go. Think bad luck)))

[hrych]

Quote: siberalt

Miser pays twice.

In jet aircraft, such frugality will end with another birch and a lush funeral ...

[Major Yurik]

Pshek's hands are "golden", they only grow out of the ass! It is not for them to collect Turkish washing machines, although it will do for Bulgarians, they will fall earlier, earlier the Yankes will give up their old kerosene stoves!

[Kos_kalinki9]

Quote: Major Yurik

Pshek's hands are "golden", they only grow out of the ass! It is not for them to collect Turkish washing machines, although it will do for Bulgarians, they will fall earlier, earlier the Yankes will give up their old kerosene stoves!

I think that the word GIVEN is inappropriate here.

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: Major Yurik

! It’s not for them to collect Turkish washing machines

After the "repair" will you get washing machines?

[SibSlavRus]

This, dear, is called the "transition to NATO standards" method

[spech]

Pshek's hands are "golden"

In the sense of "gilding the handle"

[veksha50]

Quote: Altona

As the rogues were, they remained ... Let them do the left "budget" repairs at the Poles to "extend the resource" ...

Hmm ... And our warships are being repaired by these "rogue", and not for a penny ...

Now you just need not to sell spare parts for Migami to Poles ... so the "repair" will stop ...

[avt]

Quote: veksha50

Hmm ... And our warships are being repaired by these "rogue", and not for a penny ...

Actually, the BDKs were repaired to repay the debt to us.

[veksha50]

Quote: avt

Actually, the BDKs were repaired to repay the debt to us.

I do not argue with duty and the need to work it out, give it back ...

However, if my assault rifle or pistol had been in the hands for a long time ... well, not a direct enemy, but an ill-wisher ... Anyway, it doesn’t matter in the wrong hands, then I would be wary of him, while in all modes, situations have not experienced ...

Maybe it was me from age that became so obese and distrustful? ...

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: siberalt

the coupe pays twice. "Repaired", but written off. Business then.

Polish aircraft factories are quite technologically advanced and, in general, they were solid masters during the favorable times of CMEA forged from MTLB to landing battleships. P.S. now clearly understood that the filling is ours.!)) But this does not beg for Polish brezhka !!! Israeli for example reliable and expected car in the night already Hunter

[excomandante]

I can not help but wonder. Landing battleships - what kind of animals?

[gjv]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Polish aircraft factories are quite technological and in general they are experts

Quote: SibSlavRus

This, dear, is called the "transition to NATO standards" method

The Poles are now upgrading 16 of their MiG-29A avionics. Do it yourself at the factory Wojskowe Zaklady Lotnicze 2 (WZL-2) in Bydgoszcz. On-board equipment modernization includes the installation of the MIL-STD-1553B data bus, INSB-29, AVB-29 and HDB-29 interfaces, a 127 x 102 mm color multi-function indicator, an MDP task planning computer, an EGI navigation system (including an inertial laser system and equipment GPS with integrated SAASM module), DVR, camera and flight data acquisition computer. A second dual-band UHF / VHF radio station with HaveQuick I / II and SATURN coding system and a new panel PS-COM-01 of the P-862 radio station are also being installed. Repair and modernization should extend the life of these machines until 2028.
And they also have 26 Su-22s of various modifications and they scratch their turnips: either write them off, or repair them and upgrade them too.
And the Bulgarians have only 12 pieces of MiG-29, i.e. we are talking about half of the park (not counting three MiG-29UB).

[Juborg]

I think nothing will come of the Poles. Somehow the USSR built an aircraft factory for the production of aircraft parts (they gave them jobs), so these parts were already scrapped in 90 tons, and accumulated mountains of illiquid assets over decades. Born to crawl, repair planes can not!

[APASUS]

Quote: juborg

I think nothing will come of the Poles. Somehow the USSR built an aircraft factory for the production of aircraft parts (they gave them jobs), so these parts were already scrapped in 90 tons, and accumulated mountains of illiquid assets over decades. Born to crawl, repair planes can not!

The thing here is more likely that Uncle Vasya can fix the mercedes in the garage, only Uncle Vasya’s guarantees are quoted at the level of a beer stall and you choose ......

[Vladimir 1964]

Born to crawl, repair planes can not!

Yuri, maybe you forgot, but by the beginning of World War II, the Poles had their own air force, namely fighters and bombers. Unfortunately I do not have information on their combat use, but the fact that they flew is for sure.

[anip]

Quote: Vladimir 1964

Yuri, maybe you forgot, but by the beginning of World War II, the Poles had their own air force, namely fighters and bombers.

Had. Only now already backward at that time.

[Sweles]

and in Poland, what is the aircraft engine factory? as far as I know poland has never produced engines so this is propaganda chatter ...

[anokem]

I think that soon the Americans will begin to massively write off the F-16 after the mass entry into service of the F-35. And then the Bulgarians and other countries of Eastern Europe will get the F-16 in large quantities, and not even the oldest versions. So it’s important for the Bulgarians that the MiGs fly a couple more years.

[bobby]

business is business. If the Poles do it better and cheaper, why not

[shans2]

Poles can only wash toilets better), and not engage in high-tech and high-tech affairs)

[kotvov]

. If the Poles do it better and cheaper, why not ,,
and after that, repair, you will fly. agree?

[gjv]

Quote: kotvov

and after that, repair, you will fly. agree?

Quote: juborg

Born to crawl, repair planes can not!

The guys and the Poles and the Bulgarians fly on the MiG-29.



Skepticism is not well understood. And they will be able to fill in spare parts (though used) in the outskirts and at the dad (I won’t be surprised if he pushes new ones).

[APASUS]

Quote: bobby

business is business. If the Poles do it better and cheaper, why not

It may not be correct, but do you trust everyone to repair the brakes on your car?

[Amurets]

Yes, to all passers-by, especially those who like to give advice. Clean from dirt, and then I do the disassembly, assembly, adjustment and bleeding myself.

[Maxom75]

Are Poles cheaper?))) Poles need to buy spare parts in Russia and repair MIGs. However, Russia is better, after such a repair there is no guarantee, there is no responsibility and let them fall!))))

[Alekseev]

Quote: Altona

.Let them do the left "budget" repair

And RSK MIG is absolutely fair "... after the repair of aircraft in Poland, it will consider them defective and" will absolve itself of all responsibility for their further operation. "
And you need to push the parts more expensive to the Poles!
where do they go now? Need to help lousy little brothers.

[Andrey Draganov]

It is very pleasing that senility grows stronger in the West !!!

[I am]

In their place, these aircraft are easier to dispose of, so as not to suffer. An example of a plane crash by the Polish president to help them.

[The stranger]

I didn't get it. You really understand the word "rogue"?
Your sky was protected from counteraction even of the earliest version of MIGA-29, what do you not like? A rogue?
It may be worth following the bazaar.
Below I will answer with an unsubscribed duty phrase about bros in a personal meeting, because it would be indecent to take the time of decent people in public. Sorry for the pun.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

))) they would have been repaired by the Armenians in a car service ...

[MAD_SERGANT]

I think this "renovation" will be the last one. I hope the pilots won't get hurt

[Maaslo Sallonen]

Repair in Poland can be cheaper than in Russia, if the spare parts are "from the derbank", from those written off in the former fraternal ones.

[Maaslo Sallonen]

Repair in Poland can be cheaper than in Russia, if the spare parts are "from the derbank", from those written off in the former fraternal ones.

[Renat]

Just do not forget to file it later.

[Finches]

Brothers-zasr ... ts! Forgive me a sinful soul, but I can’t say anything different about the Bulgarians! And the Poles are still m ... and! Slavs fell under the Anglo-Saxons !! Pah! Prostitutes are cheap!

[Uzer 13.]

The trouble is, since the shoemaker will start the pies, and the boots will stitch the pie ...

[veksha50]

Quote: uzer 13

and boots to stitch a cake ...

while repairing airplanes is a natural born merchant ...

[Name]

The last sentence of the article is encouraging.

[AID.S]

All our equipment that passes through Polish hands is drawn to birches ...

[Baikal]

Subtly ... but how exactly

[veksha50]

Quote: AID.S

All our equipment that passes through Polish hands is drawn to birches ...

To Smolensk, or what ???

[goncharov.62]

"Draws home, to the birches" - in my opinion, that's more accurate. To the author +++ !.

[WE ARE MAKING]

... and then they say that Russian equipment is bad when they are after such a repair ... well, you understand. Come on! To an authorized dealer!

[Prussian]

But do not they blow at the repair of the F-22?

[spech]

But do not they blow at the repair of the F-22?

If one person has repaired, another can forever break ©

[Dr. Bormental]

And I thought they only have peppers in Bulgaria.

[Bort radist]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

And I thought they only have peppers in Bulgaria

Now it’s gone, the Chinese are eating their own, somehow they are not growing thanks to the euro integration.

[AdekvatNICK]

The recipe for the famous Shopska salad now includes Turkish (or Jordanian) "plastic" tomatoes, "Bulgarian pepper" from Holland and Macedonia, onions from China and French cheese. There are no more Bulgarian tomatoes on the local market, but Dutch ones are in full swing. 80% of all fruits and vegetables are imported.

[AdekvatNICK]

after breaking the Russian seal and self-repairing Migov, you yourself will be responsible for the involuntary ejection of pilots in the sky when you press the "double cappuccino" button on the panel)))

[pensioner]

"Good luck" (on a cold foot).
(This is the name of the shoes. Very beautiful, but disposable. For the dead ...
Here they are - good luck ...

[veksha50]

"" The Polish side buys all spare parts for the MiG-29 from Russia, so the repair of these fighters in Poland, by definition, cannot be cheaper "" ...

And who prevents RSK "Mig" from stopping the sale of these spare parts to Poland ???

And well, a representative of the corporation said that after the Polish repair, RSK "Mig" would consider these fighters defective ... The flag is in the hands of both repairmen and flyers ...

PS Bulgarian pilots will not be afraid to fly on these MiGs after such repairs ???

[Rader]

But I really feel sorry for the pilots of Bulgaria It remains to be hoped that Polish repairmen will not get to the ejected seats ...

[gelezo47]

Let them try to "save" ... Then they will start to fall, and psheks will refer to "defective" components ...

[sounddoc]

Yes, let it be repaired, there's nothing you can do about it, Tanned gave a command ... Whoever wants to buy in Russia and get a manufacturer’s guarantee, and European handicrafts will straighten with a mallet on their knees. Their destiny is this - to be a second-hand in every way. still connect the romanian genius of engineering art ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Psheks for repair money will be removed and their hands washed. Eh Bulgarians once again fool you friends in the EU. . .B-)

[kil 31]

Why only 6 they have 15 MIG 29, let everything be repaired and the history of MIG 29 in the Bulgarian Air Force will be closed.

[Fedor Bolts]

probably it will be so

[Ashirbakiev N.B.]

They’ll simply go, and their MiGs will not fly. Then it will be generally uninteresting to drive them.

[sounddoc]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

And I thought they only have peppers in Bulgaria.

You will laugh, dear, but in Bulgaria "peppers" are only in power, and the well-known vegetable is brought mainly from Turkey. Google ...

[olegkrava]

Quote: Altona

As the rogues were, they remained ... Let them do the left "budget" repairs at the Poles to "extend the resource" ...

Some have already modernized the RD-180, let them try. We will hear the result in the Bulgarian news "about disasters".

[sagitch]

And in general, it was not a good idea to leave the former countries, the participants in the Warsaw Pact, the future participants in NATO, high-quality weapons.

[Professor]

Commenting on this decision, the representative of the RAC "MiG" in Bulgaria, Alexander Alexandrov, said that "Poland cannot carry out repairs and maintenance of the Bulgarian MiG-29, since it does not have the necessary license for this."

What is he talking about? What "license" is needed for the repair?

[tanit]

But do not you even need to certify your company for such a repair? And what is this not a license? Or are great strategists different? This is not about trophies.

[Professor]

Quote: tanit

But do not you even need to certify your company for such a repair? And what is this not a license? Or are great strategists different?

Nothing needs to be certified. It's like if you decide to have your BMW repaired in Uncle Vasya's garage, and a BMW official says that "Uncle Vasya cannot repair and service BMW, as he does not have the necessary license for this". Maybe he still can. After the repair of Uncle Vasya, it will be problematic to return to the official representative.

[Sergey Trifonov]

If you repair your BMW near Vasya, you will automatically lose all manufacturer guarantees.

[3vs]

Well, with your logic, it’s possible to repair reactors at nuclear power plants.
trust third-party companies, they can also buy parts from
manufacturer.
And if he explodes, who will answer?
Or the same Boeing / Airbus / ... in the garage to rewind, what the hell difference
You can buy original parts.

[Professor]

Quote: 3vs

Well, with your logic, it’s possible to repair reactors at nuclear power plants.

With my logic, the owner decides for himself what and where to repair. And no one can tell him "xxx cannot carry out repairs and maintenance." The responsibility lies with the owner himself.

[kotvov]

Responsibility lies with the owner. ,,
that's just the point. but you professor perfectly know the current relationship. Who do you think will be blamed if this plane shandarashitsya?

[Maxom75]

You just don’t write this ukra, otherwise they will start repairing their own nuclear power plants due to their pathological greed, and then again we will be forced to pacify the new Chernobyl with the whole world.

[Reducer]

Yeah! Let us merkava twice cheaper than you?

[silver_roman]

you are a strange person. I always read your comments and often see the logic in doubts, but this topic is already too much: an example from a nuclear power plant. your logic: "our nuclear power plant, we want and fix it as you like." Then the nuclear power plant explodes and within a radius of damage half the continent. Who will cover the damage ??????

[sandrmur76]

Self-repair of your car removes the warranty from the dealer. Even a certified workshop should set the alarm (or goodbye electrical warranty) at best. And an airplane (military) with ammunition on board is a (hazardous) vehicle. All spare parts, fuel and work only through the door of the certificate. Professor You write a lot of sensible, sorry not in this case

[Professor]

Quote: sandrmur76

Professor You write a lot of sensible, sorry not in this case

You are not careful. A BMW dealer cannot forbid me to repair my car from anyone I want. Maximum, I will have problems with the dealer if I decide to return to him, and if not then ... So it is. No one can forbid the Bulgarians to repair their aircraft where IT wants. No license needed. If you decide to return to Russia, then this is another conversation.

[Rader]

Yes professor, you are absolutely right. No one can prohibit repairing your BMW with Uncle Vasya (except for sound logic). But after such a repair, in which case, you will not go to complain to the manufacturer (or rather you can, but the lawyers will send you far and for a long time), and it’s not the fact that Uncle Vasya / Poles will be responsible for the jambs ... So Bulgarians do all this at their own peril and risk.
Ps What of this solution will come out later.

[Professor]

Quote: Rader

But after such a repair, in which case, you will not go to complain to the manufacturer (or rather you can, but the lawyers will send you far and for a long time), and it’s not the fact that Uncle Vasya / Poles will be responsible for the jambs ... So Bulgarians do all this at their own peril and risk.

What are you all about? These airplanes are either cheaply repaired or scrap. Nobody is going to make candy. No one will go to claims to the manufacturer.

[namer]

Quote: sandrmur76

sandrmur76


29 August 2015 14: 01

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Self-repair of your car removes the warranty from the dealer. Even a certified workshop should set the alarm (or goodbye electrical warranty) in the best case. And an airplane (military) with ammunition on board is a (danger) high-risk vehicle

Israel is modernizing the MiGs and SU, t-72, etc. for many countries and no one bothers with the question whether the USSR remains a guarantee (although what kind of guarantee is already fucked up) or not
Responsibility lies with both the owner of the equipment and the company serving or modernizing it.
All.
How can you explain this to me?
Bushehr, SIEMENS reactor, converted it to Atommash equipment and rods - how about this?
Something Siemens cries were not heard about
-Where do you climb?
and so it is clear. You’ve taken it yourself - you’re responsible.
The topic is closed, IMHO.

[padded jacket]

Quote: namer

Bushehr, SIEMENS reactor, converted it to Atommash equipment and rods - how about this?
Something Siemens cries were not heard about

Or maybe you’re just lying, and you’re always lying?
Bushehr NPP (Iran)
In 1998, an addition to the contract was signed, according to which Atomstroyexport CJSC completes the construction on a turnkey basis Unit 1 with an installed electric capacity of 1000 MW with a V-446 reactor installation.
For example, the main equipment of the “nuclear island” and the turbine are of Russian production, and the buildings are of German design. To install the Russian VVER reactor, it was necessary to redesign the reactor compartment. To make it possible to mount the turbine in the machine room designed and built by the Kraftwerk Union AG concern, the turbine design was changed.
http://www.atomstroyexport.ru/about/projects/current/busher/

[33 Watcher]

It's like that. You can only stop at a BMW, turn off a little on the road, but here you have to fall.

[silver_roman]

when a BMW crashes, they don’t write about it in all the newspapers in the world!

[33 Watcher]

The one that includes a very serious documentation package. Drawings, technological processes, necessary equipment. And most importantly, where will they get the picketers? Here is such a license.
PS All "aviators" are concerned here.
Damaged is the matter, in short.

[silver_roman]

Imagine, I’m buying, let's say Merkava, then I repair it with my crooked hands, it is not clear what components, then it explodes from a bullet from the PM (exaggerated) and then we say Rheinmetal says that they say that the merkava sucks, buy our Leoperds better.
In addition, repairs are carried out for money and, on this basis, Poland deprives MiG of profit, which should be at least compensated. In general, you have to go to the international court on such issues.

[Felix]

Yes, and the flag in hand))) It’s a pity only for those pilots who dare to take off on these MiGs after repair.

[BOB044]

The main thing is that the catapult would work. Everyone in Poland and Bulgaria considers themselves the smartest. I will come ..... and.

[iouris]

What licenses are we talking about? This is not civilian, but military equipment, let them do whatever they want. The Polish company will be responsible for flight safety. The task of RSK "MIG" is not to supply legally spare units.

[Aleksandr1959]

In the mid-2000s, Poles with parts on the MiG-29 flew in. The Polish military commission arrived in Russia, instead of buying the range of parts directly from the MiG, acquired them from some muddy LLC at the factory. Poles then (relatively cheap ... ) Vparili not just used, but a frank marriage. They began to be indignant, they even filed a lawsuit, they even put some chief of the workshop, but they did not receive compensation from the MiG, they had to buy for the second time

[Aleksandr1959]

By the way, here is a video of a Polish aircraft repair plant.

[TVM - 75]

Let them buy our spare parts and repair the MIGs in the tram park. What problems? They themselves are the smiths of their happiness!

[roskot]

Something new - Poles with Bulgarians. This is like the Mexicans with the Egyptians. Here are friends now.

[Bort radist]

"The head of the Polish Ministry of Defense Semoniak noted in his reply that" Poland realizes how important it is for Bulgaria to preserve flying resource fighter aircraft, and will do everything possible ..... "
As if flying did not turn into lethal

[pvv113]

Bulgaria refused to renew the contract with the Russian Federation for the maintenance of MiGs because of the "high cost of repairs."

Miser pays twice

[Rader]

Alas, but here the price is human lives. Although who cares, the officials and other "politicians" who signed these agreements will obviously not fly on them ...

[AdekvatNICK]

Bulgarians prefer to escape alone. A popular joke: "Bulgaria has two ways out of the crisis - terminal 1 and terminal 2 at the airport." Young, talented and stubborn people pack their bags and flee without a trace, leaving the elderly to die in the villages. The north of the country where unemployment is (according to official figures) 60% (!) Has been depopulated. Rare tourists compare it with the Chernobyl zone. Over the past 20 years, 2 million people have left the country. The country has lost more people than during the two world wars, but this is not the limit. The economic crisis coincided with a terrifying demographic catastrophe. By 2060, the population of Bulgaria will be only 5 million people, of which 1,5 million are gypsies. Bulgarians, as a single people with the most ancient Orthodox culture, are doomed.

“Last year, only 62 babies were born,” says television journalist Ivo Hristov. - This is the lowest birth rate since 000. Bulgaria is melting faster than all European countries. Only Estonia has worse results. Throughout its 1945-year history, our country has never been so close to disintegration. ”

What is today's Bulgaria? This is a sacrificial pawn on a chessboard. Her role is to be a blocking pawn for all Russian projects. We serve foreign interests, spoil relations with Russia and lose money for the transit of oil and gas. And American friends slap the Bulgarians on the shoulder and say: “Well done guys! You have democracy! ”

[Arkan]

And who is to blame for this tragedy ?!

[roskot]

participants of the "Warsaw Pact", future participants of "NATO", high-quality weapons.

EBN lived on the last day. I ate vodka and sold everything. So he was not up to arms.

[Aleksandr1959]

“After the ratification and the allocation of funds, representatives of the Ministry of Defense began to bargain with the Russian side, seeking to reduce the cost of repairing engines. The RSK-MiG agreed. But at the moment all agreements are frozen by the Ministry of Defense, ”Aleksandrov explained. In his opinion, the department is waiting for the end of negotiations with Poland, and if they fail, they can agree to the terms of RSK-MiG. Aleksandrov also said that the Polish Air Force purchases all components and spare parts from Russia, so the cost of Polish repairs cannot be cheaper than in Russia. However, Minister Nenchev claims that RSK-MiG was asked to repair one engine for 3 million leva, and Poland - only 1 million leva. "
http://bulgariatoday.ru/news/politics/polsha_ne_imeet_prava_remontirovat_bolgars
kie_mig_29 /

[Maxom75]

And the Poles will have dopniks of 5 million leva?

[Arkan]

Poland decided to repair the Bulgarian MiG-29 without the participation of the Russian side

It’s like a manufacturer’s repair or a garage repair. That's right, Bulgarian planes will be removed, in case of their repair by the Poles (garage), from warranty service. The Bulgarians have no money for modern equipment, let them arm themselves that they will pull financially. For instance:

[family tree]

Engines There, like the scapula itself, more precisely, their cooling. Are they going to reject, and collect one out of two or three, in Poland Migari twenty-ninth did not write off? They can pick from there, only motor resources, sadness in general

[beard64]

.....
"RSK MiG" warned that after the repair of aircraft in Poland it will consider them defective and "will disclaim all responsibility for their further operation."

[Sergey Vladimirovich]

Traders really know where it’s cheaper ... their right, let them repair.

[colonel manuch]

Russia said its word to these "high contracting parties", as the saying goes: "the cock crowed, and then at least don't dawn!"

[barclay]

In January, 2015 was reported that Bulgaria refused to renew the contract with the Russian Federation for the maintenance of MiGs due to the “high cost of repairs”.

For free - behind the barn!
The Bulgarians did not deserve a lower price for their "diligent" behavior. There will be no more discounts for these "brothers". Let their brothers in NATO give them discounts. Lyakhs are probably very kind - they will "repair" as it should at a reasonable price.

[zoknyay82]

Quote: Sveles

Quote: milann

These "brothers" have always betrayed Russia. What's in the first, what's in the Second World, as well as with the South Stream. However, they stand with each other.

the people of Bulgaria also suffer from their own government, as well as Russian-Bulgarian relations, it’s not the people of Bulgaria who determine politics, but those who climbed into power and control the country, it was like that before, it is now ...

And who, who chooses them ??? I’m not sure.

[Mercenary]

No, stunned! We are responsible for the NATO planes, also repair them?
Something is wrong in the heads of our managers!

[umka_]

they use Poland and Bulgaria all the time, well, they don’t want to think about summits, they loved to dance to the tune of others.

[Rader]

Living your own mind is a difficult and sometimes impossible task.
An interesting observation: the more politicians shout about "nezalezhnost", "democracy" and other "liberal values", the more funds they have in foreign banks

[kartalovkolya]

And why, practically to the enemy side, sell spare parts for our MiGs? Let them make and repair them for their "inmates" themselves, but bribes from Russia are smooth, or they have forgotten the history of how and how the "alterations" of the NK-33 rocket engines ended (the United States, together with "Svidomo" Ukraine, actually remade other The media raised a "howl" about low-quality Russian engines)! Here are boobies, but isn't it time to learn the axiom that a miser pays twice, a stupid three times, and a "sucker" constantly!

[ratfly]

Blades of turbines of engines, they wonder where they will get. The most complex and loaded element. They will put the poppycock and repair in vain, such crap will not last long.

[boris]

There is nothing much to argue about. Bulgaria owns aircraft and
for this reason, he can do whatever he wants with them. Another thing is that
after such repair, the MIG RSK and in general Russia have no responsibility for
further operation of these devices should not and will not.

[ODERVIT]

Something is not completely clear. Repair of aircraft engines is an archie process, both in the technological and in the components of the process. Without going into details, repair is disassembling, fault finding, replacing and reassembling, testing, reassembling and reassembling, re-testing ..... Quite rightly, it was noted in the previous comments - And where to get the components and assemblies necessary after the fault detection? A repair of fuel automation? Caution I will assume that in full the Poles will not be able to carry out repairs.

[pytar]

As a "tradition" has become, every novelty from Bulgaria, no matter what it is about, is interpreted in an extremely negative aspect in the Russian media. On my favorite site "Voennoye Obozreniye", the article copied from the agency REGNUM, unfortunately, it immediately became a favorite place for anti-Bulgarian comments. Ksati, the same agency REGNUM has already been noted more than once in anti-Bulgarian interpretation of events. And here on the site, the on-duty Bulgarophobes fainted to a swoon, not even trying to delve into the problem. But it doesn't matter, because this is the essence of all --- fobs. Everyone has the right to their opinion, but some allow themselves, curses and insults against the attitude of the Bulgarian people and violation of the rules of the site! As a friend of Russia and the Russian people, I believe that such behavior works for the benefit of the enemies of Russia and the enemies of Bulgaria. For me, the tolerance shown by the moderators to such statements is incomprehensible, no matter what kind of people they are talking about. Okay ... Let's leave it to their "conscience". Provoking, offending, spitting on everything that is possible is not our business. And I want to say a few words on the topic itself. Negotiations with the MiG Corp. on the repair of the MiG-29 have been going on with varying success for many years. The very leadership of the Bulgarian War Ministry, until now, itself had no clarity on the fate of Migov. Opinions differed, and Mig-i .. rusted ... There was no money for repairs, and there is no money. Modernization of these few cash Mig-ah had only to dream of. At that time, the aircraft were aging and went into complete flight disrepair. The management of the "MiG" company made several offers in different variants and price terms. Unfortunately, the economic crisis did not allow the Bulgarian side to accept any of them. There was also a political background, so it was not possible to sign a contract. According to the available public information, it can be understood that the repair contract will ultimately be signed with the Polish state military factories WZL-2 and WZL-4 on extremely favorable terms for the Bulgarian side. These companies have been repairing Polish MiGs for many years, so they have proven experience. The repair conditions included all the necessary actions for the restoration of Migah and the subsequent servicing of these machines. As for the price component of this contract, the details were not disclosed. It is known that the Polish side agreed to very competitive prices and conditions. In view of the severe restrictions in the Bulgarian military budget, this was the main reason for choosing a Polish company. The good news is that, despite all the difficulties, the MiGs will remain in service and the Bulgarian pilots will use these wonderful machines.

[kotvov]

on-duty Bulgarianophobia fomented to faint, ,,
and how did you expect our community to belong to your freaks. Bulgaria itself entered the NATO block, which is hostile to Russia. They decided to repair the Poles, believing that it was cheaper. The flag was in your hands, just don’t talk about friendship with Russia. The country passed to a hostile camp, it becomes an enemy for us. apparently fate.

[pytar]

Here you are surely confirming the fact that "the Bulgarophobes on duty have gone mad to faint." In truth, most of them are trolls, paid for it is clear who ... The war of imformation is being waged in hitherto unseen mashab. No matter how hard the adherents of the West try, nobody will succeed. Russians and Bulgarians, as fraternal peoples were, and will be!

[ODERVIT]

Yes, there are no phobias. Forum users express the real attitude of the people of our country to other countries. Moreover, this opinion is not imposed and is not a product of propaganda, etc. ..... As for the friendship of peoples, it is for the most part an ideological burp of the past structure of our states.
Bulgaria is not a friendly country, history cannot be corrected. Although the lost are sorry for the Christian.

[pytar]

Get out of your delusions. Strongly litter the brain. I hope this helps you a little:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTPA9M2HDTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnrA5HitnNw

[Andrey Skokovsky]

Quote: pytar

....... Russian and Bulgarians, as were the fraternal peoples will be so!

yes, we are not against this concept, only Bulgaria as a state regularly makes completely "non-fraternal" gestures and Russia has some constant problems from brothers

in my opinion, all our "European brothers" are "Russian Europeans", they constantly repeat about their kinship with Russia, but they will never give up their "civilized Europeanness"!

you have the position of a primitive opportunist and today in Russia there is awareness of this fact at the mass level

so excuse me, but you and not us form our attitude towards you
and if you want a "brotherly relationship" then the actions must be appropriate
... a good person is not a profession ....

[pytar]

Quote: Andrey Skokovsky

so excuse me, but you and not us form our attitude towards you

And I have the impression that your opinion is being formed from the outside, though somewhere to the west ... Here you have something from the place of events, so maybe sober up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTPA9M2HDTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnrA5HitnNw

[Gado]

Brother, not all the hubs, but I don’t give a hint and write a tuk, a nyma smisl. American good deed svershikhova works and slip on and on Rusnazite, and sew. But sooner or later, a restart in relations between Russia and Bulgaria was firmly convinced of the comrade.

[pytar]

Yes, telling me honestly, I’m not going to take anything away, why such a total might and they will get rid of the mosquito on Rusnazite. The nation is smart, the nation is great, but the sis ... think, let it go, not to the Kazvas. Kato sheep eat and eat madness bleat! That is promoted on the ima mozacit and we, ama Bulgarin se, have a lot of sense! More often, the restart is in a relationship, without any removal. But it’s quiet, Kato Vidzhdash Kakva is a huge masora of choir, they’re not looking and knowing, they are not looking and they are masala!

[andrewkor]

Yes, you first need to clean up your "elita", as we do ours.

[sa-zz]

Write in Russian, a translator to help you ..

[pytar]

"Write in Russian, a translator will help you .." - Don't you think that the message in Bulgarian was not for you? I don't need a translator. I know Russian pretty well. If you need it, look.

[sa-zz]

This is not a PM, everyone reads and speaks out. You know Russian well, so write in Russian, and I will write in Bulgarian on the Bulgarian site.
And if specifically - for a hundred years the Bulgarians have not proved anything and have shown nothing but betrayals, a reset of relations can and will be (Russians always forgive everything - God ordered), I speak for myself, but betrayed once - betray again.
I have nothing more to say to you. Dauzhidane.

[soratnik]

I don't understand why we are always looking for some kind of mythical brotherly peoples? !! There are no fraternal peoples !!! There are states and peoples who want to survive! There are "elites" of these states who want to live comfortably! And all these creatures want to survive at the expense of others. Preferably at our expense! Weren't the Ukrainians our brothers ?! What have we got ?! The Belarusians are "our brothers", but as soon as, as a result of the counter-sanctions announced by us, the Bulbash had an opportunity to cut cabbage at our expense, they immediately took advantage of this opportunity and drove smuggling across their border to us !!! There are no "fraternal peoples" there are strong states and their vassals and the Americans have long understood this. It `s naturally! It's human nature! Since man is essentially an animal too. Even between twin brothers there is a dominant one and one that is influenced by a stronger one! Forget this fairy tale - "brotherly peoples" Learn history. It says it all.

[pytar]

"I don't understand why we are always looking for some kind of mythical fraternal peoples? !!" - Not everyone is given to understand more elevated concepts. But about the "elitah" you are right. You just need to make a difference between these "Elites" and the peoples. Almost all over the world, these are completely different things.

[excomandante]

Miracle)))) "Paid trolls", you have to say this ... What, in Bulgaria, everything is not so ambiguous? And monuments to Soviet soldiers are not disfigured, and NATO is not involved in anti-Russian exercises, and sanctions are not supported, and Obama's intimate places are not licked? And we do not have any special "Bulgarophobia", we have a normal and understandable contempt for Uncle Sam's sixes, even Poles, even Bulgarians, even Balts, even Georgians, etc. "Sauron has no partners, only six" (c).

[djqnbdjqnb]

Quote: pytar

Russian and Bulgarians, as were the fraternal peoples will be so!

Dear Bulgarian friends! (I do not mean trolls, but true Bulgarians). Do not be offended by the excessive sharpness of my comrades, understand us too! It is very difficult for you to imagine how much dirt is being poured on our heads now during this information war! Sometimes, in hot weather, we offend people who should not be offended!
And let me remind my Russian comrades. During the Second World War, there was such a case (I already wrote about this): Tsar Boris lined up his best regiment and said: "Who will shoot at the Russians, three steps forward! Who will not shoot at the Russians, stay where you are! I promise, to nobody. Nothing will happen". And he commanded: "Regiment, three steps forward!" All as one officers left, all as one soldiers remained standing still.
And it seems to me that these words with pain are written precisely by those who would remain then to stand still. So why do we offend THESE people !! Do not confuse politicians with normal people!
Remember how Hungarians, Romanians, even Polish and Slovak units fought with us! And after the war they also became "friends"!
But the Bulgarians - did not fight!

[pytar]

Thank you friend! Respect! We all need to understand that a full-scale information war is really being waged! Against Russia and against all the Slavs. It has been going on for a long time. Also, I personally want to apologize if I offended someone. As you said, during WWII the Bulgarians did not fight against the Soviet Union. They fought against Germany. Moreover, in a strategically important direction. But I don't want to tell you about it. Speech about something else. There were a lot of volunteers in the Bulgarian army that fought against Germany. More than 30-35% of the personnel. Somewhere 36 thousand. died. Among the volunteers was one of my colleagues. In that war, an anti-personnel mine took off his leg and he was disabled. He had several military awards. An elderly man before retirement, and I was very young then and was interested in what was there, as it was in this war, etc., It is interesting, but he very much disliked the communist ideology. He considered it a deception and erroneous for Bulgaria, as it took away private property. He did not like the USSR with its communist ideology. Once I asked him: "How is it that you, whom you have always disliked communists, went to fight together with the Soviet army, and a volunteer?" The answer was: "I hate this communist ideology! But I love Russia and the Russians! They are our brothers! And not for the sake of the victory of communism I went to war, but to help our Russian brothers in my strength!" Of course, then I did not understand much about politics, and there were other times. So here's another thing to tell you! When Tsar Boris, after Hitler's unswerving insistence in the 42nd, announced a recruitment of volunteers to be sent to the Eastern Front, only ... 76 people gathered! 76 people from all over Bulgaria! Yes, and yet, also did not go to the front. More than anything I do not have.

[SUMRAK75]

Quote: bobby

Bulgar speaks a language similar to Russian. Romanian speaks a language similar to French.

uh, you’re wrong brother, no offense, but at one time I traveled through these countries and learned their languages ​​- this is the Romance group of languages, Romanian and Moldavian are similar to Italian and Spanish - I learned many common words in Spanish in a couple of months because it is similar: ) but France is not a given)))

here is an example that they are nearby
una, dou, trey, patru (Moldovan Romanian)
uno, dos, tres, quatru (Spanish)

there are a lot of examples with minor modifications - Romanian is not very different from Moldavian; it is literary for them, and in Moldavian there is a lot of admixture of Russian and other languages

[Sergej1972]

French also belongs to the Romance group.

[Olegater]

I propose to stop supplying spare parts to Podlyakia - as if sanctioning them or raising prices to unaffordable levels. Let them stamp a fake. And as a result, we will get minus 6 aircraft units (how can they fly without proper maintenance and high-quality spare parts) in the enemy’s camp.

[lensoviet2014]

I don’t understand one thing: why repair them at all? Just all six of them. Bulgarians have nothing to spend their money on? They stand at the airfield and don’t ask for food. Bulgaria has aviation, of course it does. What else do you need? Or are the “real boys” annoying (you know who)? The Balts also need to get one fighter for all of them. Pilots can change. In the fall a Latvian takes the helm, in the spring a Lithuanian takes the helm. And in winter I don’t think they will fly. Air Force named after "chickens to laugh."

[wow]

"...RSK MiG will decline responsibility...". Everything is correct - an airplane is not a tractor; it cannot be repaired with a sledgehammer.

[African]

This Bulgarian President Rosen Plevneliev should be lowered head down from Shipka so that the bastard remembers who saved them from the Tatars and to whom he should bow to the ground for the fact that such a state as Bulgaria exists.

[Gouging]

Poland, Bulgaria... How many more of these “small but proud states”, in reality pissing devils.... always betraying. Russia on the entire planet has only THREE allies - the Army, the Navy (Alexander III) and modern realities - the Strategic Missile Forces.

[duschman80-81]

They decided to repair it - let them repair it... The flag is in their hands and the drum is not around their neck. Let's see what comes of this renovation.

[Vasisualiy]

I still advise you to watch the Polish video. The plant in Bydgoszcz has been repairing 29s since the 90s. The advertising manager for this plant says that specialists work with original docks and repair cards for aircraft. So, you should not think that the main tool is a sledgehammer. Although, I don’t argue, the zbysheks are very much worth mentioning.

[Prisoner]

Well, rest in peace to them.

[roskot]

No. I wouldn’t trust the Poles to repair planes. After repairs, they still have extra nuts.

[Loginoff]

It must be serviced by an official dealer, and not in garages :).

[Vlasovite]

Poles can only wash toilets better), and not engage in high-tech and high-tech affairs)

Mighty Russia ranks first in the supply of prostitutes to the world market.
Does this mean that Russians can only suck?

[Izotovp]

Russia is in 6th place with an indicator of 3-5% of the European prostitute market, Ukraine is in 5th place with 7-11%. However, statistics, dear Vlasovite. Before voicing anything other than slogans, read the material and get ready.

[excomandante]

In the post-Soviet space, the honorable first place in prostitutes belongs to the former Ukraine. In Russia, all the sides of the highways are furnished with fortified and unfalse khokhlushkas, even in the Urals)))

[PPD]

They don’t know our classic: “If you don’t chase the cheap stuff!”

[Fantazer911]

[quote=Biggio]Romanian speaks a language similar to French[/quote]
Romanian speaks a language similar to Gypsy[/quote]

Romanian and Moldavian languages ​​are close, the difference is in pronunciation and stress in the word, and if you don’t try too hard, Italian is similar to Romanian somewhere not far away.
and French and Romanian are not very similar, if you speak slowly, then you can understand them, but no more.

[ltx777]

GOOD LUCK to Bulgarian pilots after repairs!!!

[faterdom]

Here's the thing: about a year ago, the Bulgarians were moaning that they would soon be ruined by Russian aviation flights in the western Black Sea - they had to scramble fighters, such as for interception, a NATO outpost, damn it, obligations, and so on... And the engine resources They are melting catastrophically, and have quite impressive monetary indicators.
But now there is also a question that the Americans are asking themselves, having discovered Chinese electronics in their planes: will Russian engines, and even with Russian repairs, carry this fighter to intercept Russian combat aircraft at hour X? Or will they give the car up to gravity? Although how competent the Poles are is also a question...
I would sympathize, but I don’t want something today: maybe there is no need for the Bulgarians to fly - let them crawl on the ground and not even lift their heads into the sky?

[PPD]

Moment 29 Bulgarians don’t like Senya’s hat. It's time for them to cut their noses - the days of the Warsaw Pact are over. And what kind of kindergarten is it, why waste resources on all these interceptions. Are they seriously afraid of being attacked? Then it's better to give up right away.

[erseer]

Quote: Vasisualiy

I still advise you to watch the Polish video. The plant in Bydgoszcz has been repairing 29s since the 90s. The advertising manager for this plant says that specialists work with original docks and repair cards for aircraft. So, you should not think that the main tool is a sledgehammer. Although, I don’t argue, the zbysheks are very much worth mentioning.

During the entire video, not a single power unit was shown even briefly.
airframe, hydraulics, and avionics...

[Izotovp]

http://www.lomonosov.org/russia/russia551.html
F. M. Dostoevsky about the Slavs of Europe.
September-December 1877.
The diary of a writer.
I recommend. Without getting too personal or specific.

[Ajent cho]

“I popularly explain for the ignorant:
I'm leaving for the Bulgarians in Budapest
If topics arise there, remove them immediately
You can’t beat them, but if they don’t get into it, you have to explain.”

V.Vysotsky

[Coboklo]

“RSK MiG warned that after repairing the aircraft in Poland, it will consider them defective and “relieve all responsibility for their further operation.”
Let's look at the abilities of the psheks. Don't forget to check later.

[lopvlad]

It’s like repairs in an underground workshop with homemade parts. For NATO to pat it on the head, Bulgaria is ready to risk the lives of its pilots and its aircraft. Idiocy.

[Prisoner]

Pilot training and the purchase of a new aircraft, plus the Poles for inexpensive repairs will cost the Bulgarians a pretty penny. I feel sorry for the pilots.

[pytar]

Quote: Corporal Valera

the people of Bulgaria also suffer from their own government

Poor, poor people of Bulgaria! (Brushed away a tear) And you don’t find that in recent years 100, the people of Bulgaria have been choosing the government with enviable regularity, from which they then suffer? After the epic with the South Stream, this government could (and should) have a black mark. Apparently, those who claim that the people deserve their government are still right. There and hoh ly are not to blame either! Everything in their life happens beyond their will.

We don’t find that anyone passed it on to anyone. The thesis about the “betrayal” of the Bulgarians has become very widespread in Russia in recent years. It is, by the way, brought in from outside. And with such an approach, it is not surprising that there are so many enemies and enemies around Russia. This is how you harm yourself. Maybe it will be to the benefit of those commenting here to learn the truth from more competent Russians:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTPA9M2HDTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnrA5HitnNw

Here's another addition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl3iNgFzy5I

[Exsubmariner]

Bulgaria is like their character Bai Ganyu, very cunning.

[andrewkor]

the stingy one pays twice, the sucker three times, and the Bulgarian will come back and pay extra."Byuratushki" are new.

[pytar]

Quote: zoknyay82

And who, who chooses them??? It's not me that's for sure

Well, you once chose Yeltsin... After all, he won with almost 98%! Mistakes happen...

[anderles66]

I'm sorry, in what year did Yeltsin score 98%? Name the source. Please.

[pytar]

Quote: Exsubmariner

Bulgaria is like their character Bai Ganyu, very cunning.

Yes, every nation has such characters! You have yours, we have ours, but somewhat similar!

[pytar]

Quote: andrewkor

Yes, you first need to clean up your "elita", as we do ours.

That's for sure! The problem with “our elite” is that Uncle Sem is behind it and in general it’s well entrenched.

[pytar]

Quote: African

This Bulgarian President Rosen Plevneliev should be lowered head down from Shipka so that the bastard remembers who saved them from the Tatars and to whom he should bow to the ground for the fact that such a state as Bulgaria exists.

This is the name given to “President” Plevnelieva, a very unpopular figure in our country. He is a favorite hero in jokes. And he will not be president again.

[pytar]

Quote: veksha50

"" The Polish side buys all spare parts for the MiG-29 from Russia, so the repair of these fighters in Poland, by definition, cannot be cheaper "" ...
And who prevents RSK "Mig" from stopping the sale of these spare parts to Poland ???
And well, a representative of the corporation said that after the Polish repair, RSK "Mig" would consider these fighters defective ... The flag is in the hands of both repairmen and flyers ...
PS Bulgarian pilots will not be afraid to fly on these MiGs after such repairs ???

1. Maybe! Moreover, it may be much cheaper. It all depends on the terms of the contract. Repair is determined not only by the price of spare parts. Many more parameters determine the total price. For example, payment deadline. Or credit terms, etc. 2. Why do you think that Russia needs to stop selling spare parts to Poland?! Just out of spite? Sale of spare parts brings profit to Russia! This is a product and Russia is trying to sell it. All. 3.The RSK representative said something completely different from what you are saying. RSK will not have warranty obligations for these MiGs, since the modernization will change many of the original systems. In fact, the factory warranties for the Bulgarian MiG-29s have long expired. Somewhere 15-20 years ago. It is quite normal that whoever undertakes repairs and modernization will be responsible for the guarantees. Eli RSK would have won the contract, of course he would have carried the guarantees associated with it. 4. Bulgarian pilots will probably be happy to fly MiGs, since this is a very good fighter! Moreover, the accident rate in the Polish Air Force is lower than that of the Russian Air Force. 5.People... let's finally calm down, huh?

[AGV Pagan]

In my opinion, the Poles can only throw green paint at our embassy and attack football fans with bullshit. Where do they care about high technology...

[Gouging]

It’s clear why Poland is doing this... In the video, this is all done by a Polish pilot. By the way, I don’t want to look, you’ll find it yourself. This trick is immediately repeated on the F-22. Not bad either, but... The plane from the early 80s does everything sharper, cooler and more dangerous.

[pytar]

The MiG-29 is still an excellent machine and, after modernization, it can seriously compete with the latest fighters. The modernization potential of the MiG is far from being exhausted. It could have repeated the mass production of the MiG-21, but unfortunately the collapse of the USSR and the subsequent crisis had a bad impact on the fate of the aircraft. It’s a fact that they continue to make new versions of the MiG-29, to say that this wonderful machine still has a future!

[Ronino]

Is repair cheaper in Poland?
nude, nude...

[CRASH]

The Bulgarians will steal the MIGs, won’t pay, and will take away the horses.

[NordUral]

Of course, the Poles do not feel sorry for the Bulgarian pilots. Nothing personal just business.

[Wolka]

miser pays twice...

[YaMZ-238]

Yeah, they will do the repairs themselves, the plane will crash, and Russia will be blamed, supposedly the planes are defective....

[pytar]

Quote: KaPToC

Quote: pytar

I gave links to information above

None of your words will overcome your deeds.

But you judge not by deeds, not by facts, but by the words of your and our enemies! This automatically makes you accomplices of Russia’s enemies in the information war.

[soratnik]

Commenting on this decision, the representative of RSK MiG in Bulgaria, Alexander Alexandrov, said that “Poland cannot carry out repairs and maintenance of Bulgarian MiG-29s, since it does not have the necessary license for this.” According to him, “the Polish side purchases all spare parts for the MiG-29 in Russia...

Yes, they didn’t care about your licenses. If you sell them spare parts for repairs yourself. And apparently you’re selling for a reason!

[mr.vasilievich]

On the topic of traitors - "brothers". One of the sovereigns of Russia said - Russia has only two allies - the army and the navy. If you know all the traitors, then name who said this.

[pytar]

Quote: sagitch

And in general, it was not a good idea to leave the former countries, the participants in the Warsaw Pact, the future participants in NATO, high-quality weapons.

All weapons supplied to the ATS countries are by no means free. They are the property of these countries. And although you can argue at what price, etc., I can tell you for sure that it cost a lot of money. I remember back in the 80s, we had 4 MiG-25s in Bulgaria. While taxiing along the runway during technical maintenance, an uncleaned hose got into the air intake. The engine received "damage beyond life's worth." And although there were no human casualties, the mechanics almost committed suicide. The engine could not be restored, and a new one cost 2 levs. For comparison, at the same time, our Lada-000 cost 000 levs. and the average salary in the country was 2106-6500 levs.

[pytar]

Quote: excomandante

Miracle)))) "Paid trolls", you have to say this ... What, in Bulgaria, everything is not so ambiguous? And monuments to Soviet soldiers are not disfigured, and NATO is not involved in anti-Russian exercises, and sanctions are not supported, and Obama's intimate places are not licked? And we do not have any special "Bulgarophobia", we have a normal and understandable contempt for Uncle Sam's sixes, even Poles, even Bulgarians, even Balts, even Georgians, etc. "Sauron has no partners, only six" (c).

It's amazing how cluttered your brain is! If only they could check their assertions here! Take it and listen to your Russian experts on the topic! Here are the links... and you will learn about the monuments and much more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTPA9M2HDTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnrA5HitnNw

[NewDoctor]

Previously, they flew above the ground, but after repairs they began to fly underground

[pytar]

Quote: sa-zz

This is not a PM, everyone reads and speaks out. You know Russian well, so write in Russian, and I will write in Bulgarian on the Bulgarian site.
And if specifically - for a hundred years the Bulgarians have not proved anything and have shown nothing but betrayals, a reset of relations can and will be (Russians always forgive everything - God ordered), I speak for myself, but betrayed once - betray again.
I have nothing more to say to you. Dauzhidane.

Whether in Russian or Bulgarian, I think everything is clear. Our languages ​​are close to Slavic, so whoever wants to understand it will understand. And whoever doesn’t want to, write to him in literary Russian, again he won’t understand! To be specific, a person who undertakes to speak out on a specific topic must at least have an idea of ​​what he is talking about! And also... Do not mention God, since ignorance is severely punished. If people tried to know the truth, believe me, they would be ashamed of their writings here against Bulgaria. All the best to you and may you find enlightenment.

[pytar]

Quote: Tiamat2702

Dear, the most real threat to Russia is NATO (if you do not agree, you are blind), Bulgaria is in NATO. That says it all. Though from the outside, at least not from the outside. You are traitors!

Of course, I’m not blind and I know that NATO is a threat to Russia. But I don’t understand why you call us traitors? Who exactly do you mean? The Bulgarian people, the rulers or all together? So let's find out! With facts! More than 80% of the Bulgarian people were and continue to be against NATO. The government promised that it would hold a referendum on the issue, but did not hold one. What does this tell you? That people and governments are two different things. You say betrayal... From the point of view of many Bulgarians, you are traitors, since you destroyed the social bloc! Your Gorbachov, your Yeltsin! But I don't say that! I consider the traitor not the Soviet-Russian people, but Gorbi and Yeltsin! That's fairer, dear!

[solovey]

Ahha haha ​​yes let them repair it they don’t know that without the Russians they will get a locomotive or a siphon Tested on the Japanese (When Belenko stole the Mig-25 to Japan) they were able to disassemble it, but they couldn’t assemble it = so they gave it to us disassembled

[AzahazCar]

http://upackcom.ru/cat.php?c=12 - Стреппинг машина ручная

[Axon]

the second Kaczynski was put on the plane during acceptance