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About Russian MiG-31 fighters that are not in Syria, or forcing the US to peace

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Turkish news agency BGN News reported that six Russian MiG-31 interceptor fighters appeared at the Syrian el-Mezze airbase in Damascus. Checking this sensational information, the world media immediately remembered the Russian-Syrian model contract 2007 of the year for the delivery of eight of these aircraft in the export version, which had not entered into force.


And then the observers in chorus denied the possibility of such a delivery.

First, with references to Russian officials. For example, the head of the RSK MiG Sergey Korotkov said that Russia did not supply anyone with the MiG-31 and plans to use them only independently.

Secondly, appealing to simple logic: in today's Syria there are hardly any pilots and specialists in technical and operational units who are sufficiently prepared to maintain and use such complex combat vehicles. And besides, the MiG-31 is a high-altitude interceptor, not intended for striking the ground. It is capable at long distances (up to 320 km) to detect and intercept (at distances over 120 km) a wide range of air targets (including cruise missiles), either alone or as part of a link (4 machines), and as part of large air defense systems. According to Western media, such aircraft simply do not need Bashar Assad.

And only Jane's Defense Weekly, expressing skepticism about the fact of finding the MiG-31 in Damascus, nevertheless found the logic in this step of Moscow - strengthening the Syrian air defense with such machines, would help the planners of NATO in their thinking about all sorts of "no-fly zones" over Syria . And this logic is very interesting. And the “rumors” about the appearance of the MiG-31 in Syria should be viewed in the context of steps to counter American plans in the Middle East.

So, quite recently, we almost panicked when we learned that the US cautiously hinted at the hypothetical possibility of air strikes not only against Islamic State (IG) militants, but also against the government forces and militias of Syria opposing them. Two years ago, Americans also almost convinced the whole world that they were about to start bombing the "bloody Assad." Moreover, without even bothering with the preparation for such an operation, and without carrying out the necessary regrouping of forces and means in such cases, simply making several official statements to the press.

Today the situation, at first glance, is more serious. Turkey officially embroiled in the war, including its ground forces. The United States has achieved the right to combat sorties from the Ingerlik base and even deliver air strikes with the Turks. True, in a very limited area - trying not to enter the zones that official Damascus confidently controls. But, nevertheless, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Syria looks almost unreal - part of the Syrian territory is steadily controlled by the self-proclaimed IG, part by the Kurdish troops, part (very insignificant) by gangs officially supported by Washington and Ankara.

It would seem that the Americans and their allies no one bothers to establish dominance in the air, and like in Libya, by air strikes to contribute to the fall of Syrian statehood under the onslaught of gangs.

But in fact - everything is a little different. Syrian combat aviation daily departures, and sometimes very successfully strikes at strategic targets and positions of militants. Including in the area of ​​the Syrian-Turkish border. Nobody knocks her down or tries to establish a “no-fly zone”. Spare parts and equipment for repair and maintenance of the Syrian Air Force fleet, as well as aviation weapons, regularly fall into Syria, because the “Syrian Express” (Russian BDK shuttle flights from Sevastopol and Novorossiysk to Tartus) has not been canceled.

The Syrian air defense, despite rumors of its absence, periodically presents the enemy with interesting surprises. So in March of this year, the American drone drone MQ-1 Predator, which took off, by the way, from Ingerlik base, and mistakenly flown in the wrong place - was unexpectedly hit by a Pechora-125 C-2 missile. And in December, the Syrian air defense intercepted the Israeli AGM-142 rocket like this. It is interesting here that the interception was carried out from the Syrian territory, by all appearances, by a complex not at all of a short or medium range. Approximately in the same way, the doublet works by means of destruction of the C-300P (AVO) complexes of various modifications. True, the contract for the supply of C-300 to Syria did not seem to have been implemented (and according to some official reports, the complexes intended to be sent to Syria were even dismantled). Nevertheless, the Israeli rocket was intercepted by something similar to the C-300 complex, which, as we know, cannot be in Syria. Of course, just as there can be no MiG-31 fighter jets.

Today we have an interesting situation. On the one hand, Turkish, Israeli and American aircraft have the ability to act limited over a certain territory. In the southwestern regions of Syria, she prefers not to appear. Syrian aviation has the ability to act with impunity over the entire territory of Syria, and according to some information, in part even over the territory of Iraq. This is more like not the American "no-fly zone", but on someone else's.

However, this position should not be called optimistic. In fact, the partition of Syria took place. In this section, of course, the United States and its allies have some “forbidden zones”. But a significant part of the territory of Syria is, as it were, in the “competition zone”. That is, the IG, the USA, Turkey and the Kurds have the right to fight for the future state of affairs in these territories. This struggle does not preclude in the future the restoration of the fullness of Syrian statehood. But it’s almost impossible to hope for the territorial integrity of Syria.

The war will end sooner or later - this must be remembered in order to understand what the struggle is for today. It is for the future - for a new political map of the region, and a new balance of power in the world. Today it is already clear that in the southwestern provinces of Syria it will be possible to restore order and statehood. But in the territories that previously belonged to Syria, Turkey and Iraq, in a bloody struggle (as always in stories humanity, as a biological species) - two new subjects - the IG and Kurdistan have to define their future borders.

It is extremely interesting to note that the United States supports absolutely all parties involved in the conflict (perhaps, except for Bashar Assad, since the remaining Syrian statehood is not included in the American plans to redraw the political map of the world).

The Americans are arming and supplying Kurds against the IG, knowing full well that in the future (and even now) this support will be turned against Turkey. Turkish “partners” in NATO were dragged into a war, from which this contender for the role of regional leader would not emerge from the former territory, economic growth and relative political stability. The IG, which generally should be viewed as an American project, is reinforced through the support system of the so-called “legal Syrian opposition” - with it the IG is a communicating vessel, both in terms of personnel and in terms of material support. The support of the official Iraq against the IS - also partly strengthens the IS, since most of the heavy weapons of the IS are captured from the Iraqi army. Saudi Arabia, which actively promoted, and even to a large extent paid for, American projects in the region, faced the real prospect of an IG offensive. This perspective will be more urgent, the sooner the response will block the IS of other expansion directions. And even Iran, informally involved in conflicts in Syria and Iraq, and in Yemen - the United States makes life easier by lifting sanctions.

In other words - the United States plays on all boards. And everywhere the interest of the United States is the escalation of the conflict, the expansion of its geography and the involvement of all the new participants. Today, the United States is the main destabilizing factor in the world.

In the coming years, Russia will have to play the opposite role: gradually reduce the combat zones, increase the islands of stability in the flaming region, unite the efforts of all government entities interested in peace and stable development. Well, yes - over time, it will be necessary to introduce no-fly zones for US aviation and its allies. Otherwise, to force the United States to the world will not succeed.
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 August 2015 01: 32 New
    +30
    It's funny Mattress can not ignore even the rumors about Assad having 31s. Not steel Faberge from their pilots. So far, you have not heard that the Turks with the striped-eared bombed the Syrian troops. Like this! And no other way. Of course, one hundred against one that there are no 31s in Syria. But what if?
    1. SAG
      SAG 30 August 2015 03: 10 New
      +23
      They arranged a daisy out of the blue ... is there life on Mars, is there life on Mars - this is not known to science! I know one thing for sure, the Fashington chicken will not put a beak there in a serious way, until it is sure that Russia is draining Assad = Syria.
      1. domokl
        domokl 30 August 2015 04: 58 New
        +23
        We talked about a fake with 31's delivery at the first mention of this deal. But about 300 it’s interesting ... As it seems to me, Assad has these complexes .. But one neighboring country got lost somewhere .. But this is purely a conclusion ...
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 30 August 2015 06: 25 New
          +5
          Quote: domokl
          It seems to me that Assad has these complexes .. But one neighboring country lost somewhere.

          But can it be considered that there the IRGC is on a business trip along with “personal weapons” in the form of S-3oo?
          And in order to shoot down drone drones, C-2oo will quite fit ...
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 30 August 2015 12: 15 New
            +15
            Quote: hydrox
            And in order to shoot down drone drones, C-2oo will quite fit ...

            Really? no Expensive, heavy and difficult to maintain, 5В21 missiles weighing more than 7000 kg and a minimum target hit height of 0,5 km are little suitable for fighting drones. This complex is designed to repel the first strike and is optimally suited to counter strategic and reconnaissance aircraft. The survival of the C-200 during active combat operations using tactical and carrier-based aircraft is very low. At one time, to increase the combat stability of the C-200 long-range anti-aircraft missile systems, they were combined under the same command as the low-altitude C-125 systems. Mixed anti-aircraft missile brigades were formed, including a command post with 2-3 firing channels C-200 for six launchers and two or three anti-aircraft missile battalions C-125, equipped with four launchers.

            Moreover, most of the Syrian C-200 is currently incapacitated (part destroyed on the ground, part stored at military bases controlled by government forces).
          2. djqnbdjqnb
            djqnbdjqnb 30 August 2015 17: 36 New
            +2
            Mark Twain has a story about how a person who was mistakenly considered a millionaire was given a loan without restriction and without collateral, out of respect for a million (at the end of the 19th century it was like a billion now). He enriched himself and made purchases in an amount far exceeding a million. Now Syria with its mythical S-300 and MiG-31 as that literary hero. Collects dividends from a nonexistent million. And in the role of suckers - our military and political opponents.
            1. namer
              namer 30 August 2015 19: 35 New
              +5
              Quote: djqnbdjqnb
              Now Syria with its mythical S-300 and MiG-31 as that literary hero. Collects dividends from a nonexistent million. And in the role of suckers - our military and political opponents.

              What are the dividends?
              Already not only coalition forces. Periodically Israel, but Turkey calmly flies and bombs.
              Just 3 weeks (or 2) ago, when this fake took place regarding the MIG-31, I said that it’s quiet in the media, it means they are not there (as it turned out), the same with s-300.
              There are none in Syria, and I do not think so. What will happen
              We are not talking about the cost (800 million) of which Syria does not have simplicity, and which Syria, Russia is hardly ready to give
              There is nothing for them (s-300) to do in Syria now, the threat to Assad’s regime is not in the Air Force (other pages), but in ISIS, and they don’t fly on airplanes.
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC 1 September 2015 07: 48 New
                +4
                Quote: namer
                There is nothing for them (s-300) to do in Syria now, the threat to Assad’s regime is not in the Air Force (other pages), but in ISIS, and they don’t fly on airplanes.

                Come on!!!??? And it seems to me that the Syrian army is doing very well with ISIS, and if it had not been for the "help" of "friendly" aircraft from neighboring and not so countries, the war in Syria would have ended long ago with the complete destruction of the anti-American-terrorist forces
        2. Julio Jurenito
          Julio Jurenito 30 August 2015 16: 45 New
          -1
          the interception was carried out from Syrian territory, apparently, the complex is not at all short or medium range. Approximately in the same way, S-300P (air defense) systems of various modifications work by means of “destruction” with means of destruction. True, the contract for the delivery of the S-300 to Syria did not seem to be implemented (and according to some official reports, the systems intended to be sent to Syria were even understated). Nevertheless, the Israeli missile was intercepted by something similar to the S-300 complex, which, as we know, cannot be in Syria. Of course, just as there can be no MiG-31 fighters


          - Do you see a gopher? .. And I do not see. But he is!
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 30 August 2015 09: 51 New
        +5
        Quote: SAG
        They arranged a daisy out of the blue ... is there life on Mars, is there life on Mars - this is not known to science! I know one thing for sure

        You're right, you just have to pick up a telescope .... Guys, this is not humor, not sarcasm, there are just people who know ...
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 30 August 2015 06: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Of course, one hundred against one that there are no 31s in Syria.

      And this is a touchstone to look at the reaction of minke whales: if it is restrained, then they may appear ...
      Yes, and C-200 we have enough in storage :: this is quite enough for the europilots to begin the "bench press" ...
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 30 August 2015 09: 14 New
        +7
        Quote: hydrox
        so that europilots start the "bench press" ..

        Who has a "bench press", they are sitting in offices, not flying! hi
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 30 August 2015 12: 26 New
        +5
        Quote: hydrox
        Yes, and C-200 we have enough in storage :: this is quite enough for the europilots to begin the "bench press" ...

        On "storage" they are almost gone request This is a very problematic in maintenance and overall complex with an outdated elemental base on electrovacuum elements. To maintain it in working condition, among other things, considerable reserves of toxic fuel and an aggressive oxidizer are required. Too many "bunts", all C-200 modifications A and B are "recycled" as far back as 10 years ago. Perhaps a few C-200D still remained in the warehouses, but this is doubtful. Now we have "stored": C-125M and C-300PT / PS. However, the real value of these systems is not high. Most of them are inoperative due to understaffing and extreme wear. For missiles, warranty periods have long expired, their real technical reliability is very low.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 31 August 2015 13: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: Bongo
          To maintain it in working condition, among other things, considerable reserves of toxic fuel and an aggressive oxidizer are required.

          Yeah ... "thin" and nitric acid.

          I happened to be at the training camp in the S-200 brigade. We did not know anything about this complex (we prepared it on S-125), but the aluminum tank for the oxidizer immediately led to bad thoughts. Because just aluminum means nitric acid. And if nitric acid, then perhaps somewhere nearby may be UDMH. However, we were immediately reassured: "Her, we have not heptyl, but "thin". Also poisonous muck, but not so vicious." smile
    3. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 30 August 2015 07: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Of course, one hundred against one that there are no 31s in Syria. But what if?

      This is not only and not so much. The fact is that Russia, whatever they say about it, under the leadership of Putin, has become a world power of the highest level, largely surpassing the European Union.
      1. oldzek
        oldzek 30 August 2015 21: 38 New
        +1
        the European Union is already difficult to call a union, it is something indefinite. IMHO
    4. Tusv
      Tusv 30 August 2015 08: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      So far, you have not heard that the Turks with the striped-eared bombed the Syrian troops.

      There were two hundred tested. He remembers the adversary, well remembered. No wonder the author mentioned the "Syrian express". We and minke whales know perfectly well that Syria is the key center of the Middle East. But we need peace there
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 30 August 2015 10: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: Tusv
        But we need peace there


        By and large, Russia has no war and is nowhere needed ...

        If we consider everything in a historical context, then almost (!!!) all the time, Russia only responded to aggression ... And it adequately answered ...
    5. Bayonet
      Bayonet 30 August 2015 09: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      So far, you can not hear that the Turks with the strip-eared bombed the Syrian troops

      Or maybe they don’t need it? hi
    6. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 August 2015 09: 25 New
      +17
      There is a simple fact - the media suddenly started talking about the six Mig-31 in Syria. And there is a second fact: then a denial was passed in the same media. The rest is nothing more than the speculations of zealous journalists.
      There is no news that the Americans were even a little upset by the presence of the MiG-31 in Syria. And it would be strange - the MiG-31 does not pose a special threat to US aircraft.
      This is an interceptor, a pure interceptor, which was once sharpened by the interception of strategic bombers. Its long-range missiles are not designed to attack maneuvering targets, such as a modern fighter-bomber. Well, it’s all the more pointless to mount melee rockets on it - the plane does not have maneuverability, in a close air combat it loses to anyone, it wasn’t for that.
      instantly, the 31st “will play” again, when the latest RVV-DB and SD will go to the troops, but for now, it’s practically nothing from it as a fighter of gaining air supremacy
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 August 2015 10: 01 New
        +8
        Well, let’s go, stepped on someone’s patriotic callus laughing
        And so it was nice to believe that having rolled out "in the open field" as many as six fighters of 35 years of age, we will plunge the US Air Force into shock and awe laughing
        1. ancient
          ancient 30 August 2015 12: 07 New
          +6
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Well, let’s go, stepped on someone’s patriotic callus


          And I should have already .. "get used to it" wink +! drinks After all, “Urya-patriots” tried so much and how much they did not prove to them that the “delivery of the Mig-31” to Syria .. at least fool but .. where-there .. continuous fellow

          And now when they officially announced, then the acre of “minuses” they have no “weapons” against the FACTS! drinks
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            1. xtur
              xtur 30 August 2015 19: 20 New
              -2
              > I finally understood this after Vasilyeva-our president, in fact, wiped his feet about us and legally de facto eliminated universal equality before the law, which before, even if it was completely formal, still existed

              even sitting for intentional murder can go out after serving 1/3 of the term, for good behavior, etc. Just do not practice this measure. But paying at the established rate, almost everyone can go out after serving 2/3 of the term - for good behavior, yes
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 August 2015 20: 48 New
                +1
                Quote: xtur
                even sitting for intentional murder can go out after serving 1/3 of the term, for good behavior, etc. Just do not practice this measure

                You do not notice the contradiction? So MAY EXIT, or DO NOT PRACTICE?
                Theft of the state in such an area as the Moscow Region and at such a level is a betrayal of the Motherland, period. And this is exactly the situation when justice should and must NOT PRACTICE UDO.
                Quote: xtur
                But paying at the established rate, almost everyone can go out after serving 2/3 of the term - for good behavior, yes

                Where does this information come from? How much did you pay?
                1. xtur
                  xtur 31 August 2015 12: 54 New
                  0
                  > You do not notice the contradiction?

                  no.

                  I am talking about the norm existing in the legislation, which for certain people and in certain situations (see below) can work.

                  The judicial system and law enforcement practice are designed on the basis of the principle of the struggle of different interests (people and social forces) to achieve a result that suits them. The court itself is an organized contest of various interests and points of view
                  There is no spherical judicial system in the vacuum and law enforcement system that make decisions based on a set of abstract data and abstract laws. All decisions are always specific. and are always the result of the addition of forces acting at the moment, and all decisions do not need to be tied to the president.

                  PS.
                  And the exit rate from 2/3 of the term simply works. I paid in another state (I did not pay for my exit, I simply participated in organizing the exit of other persons), but due to the great homogeneity and traditions of law enforcement agencies I guess the presence of the same tradition in the Russian Federation.
              2. Felix
                Felix 31 August 2015 20: 41 New
                +2
                And what do you think the President should have done? By his decree, to incinerate it for 800 years, and to shoot Barshchevsky to hell? If a court is corrupt and investigators are incompetent, is Putin to blame? I wonder if you have a homeless person at the porch, Putin will also be to blame?
                1. Flexsus
                  Flexsus 1 September 2015 22: 05 New
                  0
                  Quote: Felix
                  I wonder if you have a homeless person at the porch, Putin will also be to blame?

                  Yes, of course, the President will be to blame. He is here to blame some colleagues for almost everything. They released Vasilyev - he is to blame, Gazprom gives discounts - he is to blame, etc.
                  And to see the powers and compare them according to the Constitution, the gut is thin, it is easier to shout that the President has the highest power in the country, etc. etc.
          2. razzhivin
            razzhivin 30 August 2015 14: 08 New
            +1
            I put you a plus colleague !!! drinks uryaaaaa patriotism is really too much !!!! negative
            1. Krasmash
              Krasmash 30 August 2015 16: 52 New
              +1
              Quote: razzhivin
              I put you a plus colleague !!! drinks uryaaaaa patriotism is really too much !!!! negative

              YES IT'S STILL LITTLE.
              1. 6 inches
                6 inches 30 August 2015 17: 37 New
                +3
                just an article not about Ukraine ...
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      2. Inok10
        Inok10 30 August 2015 19: 00 New
        +6
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        There is a simple fact - the media suddenly started talking about the six Mig-31 in Syria. And there is a second fact: then a denial was passed in the same media. The rest is nothing more than the speculations of zealous journalists.
        There is no news that the Americans were even a little upset by the presence of the MiG-31 in Syria. And it would be strange - the MiG-31 does not pose a special threat to US aircraft.
        This is an interceptor, a pure interceptor, which was once sharpened by the interception of strategic bombers. Its long-range missiles are not designed to attack maneuvering targets, such as a modern fighter-bomber. Well, it’s all the more pointless to mount melee rockets on it - the plane does not have maneuverability, in a close air combat it loses to anyone, it wasn’t for that.
        instantly, the 31st “will play” again, when the latest RVV-DB and SD will go to the troops, but for now, it’s practically nothing from it as a fighter of gaining air supremacy

        .. when you read such enchanting nonsense .. it becomes creepy .. it turns out for the F-16 loaded even if not 5,4 tons, even 3 tons of bomb and missile load on the external nodes of the suspension .. MiG-31 with even an old woman R-33S (range 160 km., Speed ​​4.5 M) and a barrier that he sees "This Fat Goose" at least 200 km. ..as two fingers on the asphalt .. that's where humor borders on madness .. belay .. F-16 even with APG-68 (the claimed range of 148 km.) Will not have time to understand from where it flew "BOOM" .. laughing .. well, and then about RVV-DB (range 200 km.) .. then such an armament of the RF Armed Forces will never be at all .. this is an export version of the R-37M with a range of 300 km. and coordination with the Barrier M for the MiG-31BM .. R-37M in series since 2012 .. I have the honor! ..
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          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 August 2015 21: 57 New
            +4
            Quote: Inok10
            MiG-31 with even an old woman R-33S (range 160 km., Speed ​​4.5 M) and a Barrier who sees "This Fat Goose" for at least 200 km

            the UR engine does not work all the time of flight, when firing at extreme ranges, the missile will fly part of the time by inertia, while any of its maneuvers lead to a rapid loss of kinetic energy, so that at a maximum distance the "fat goose" has simply excellent chances.
            Quote: Inok10
            F-16 even with APG-68 (declared range of 148 km.) Will not have time to understand from where "BOOM" flew

            Since what year have radar detection sensors been put on American planes? :) How long does it take for a plane attacked by missiles to drop
            Quote: Inok10
            even 3 tons of bomb load

            and had the opportunity to maneuver freely?
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 30 August 2015 22: 46 New
              +3
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              and had the opportunity to maneuver freely?

              .. in the cemetery .. maneuver into the will .. laughing
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 August 2015 23: 18 New
                0
                As I understand it, in fact there were no objections raised?
                And why am I not surprised?
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 31 August 2015 01: 12 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  As I understand it, in fact there were no objections raised?
                  And why am I not surprised?

                  .. what are the objections, here I want to cry from the breadth of knowledge of the opponent crying .. laughing .. if earlier the letters were enchanting delirium .. but now it’s just the pearls of House No. 6 .. laughing .. I haven’t read such nonsense for a long time, even if I would have looked at the performance characteristics for pro forma .. laughing .. "For the River Friends, for the Nuland Pie" you need to learn one simple truth .. this is not Iraq and not "The Storm in the Test tube" .. here the rules are not theirs .. the picture there is higher in the topic with mattress coffins .. hi .. and here are the above listed Sentry and E-2A .. by the way, isn’t this the same thing ?! .. that is, RTR ?! they won’t give a ride .. even if you raise AWACS + Sentry + Growler .. figs are all over your face .. ceiling is a maximum of 16 thousand and where will they work? .. the concept of elevation is not familiar? .. all these beautiful "lotions" are good for the earth (and even then not always laughing ) .. well, there are tales about how the F-16 with a ceiling of 16 thousand and max. with a speed of M = 2.05 .. it will drive the Mig 31 with a ceiling of 20,6 thousand and a maximum speed of M = 2.82 .. it's about as if the fly stated that it was cooler than a fly swatter .. laughing .. Surround Friends .. laughing
                  1. eagle11
                    eagle11 31 August 2015 07: 56 New
                    +3
                    Above itself AWACS, sees well, much better than against the background of the "earth".
                    For which I respect, Amer, so for the highest level of support for military operations: communications, reconnaissance, electronic warfare. They will not work without RC-135, E-3, EA-18G, and they will do it right. The "screen" is suppressed, communication is also, the range of detection, control and interaction is falling, in general, everything is not so "pink". You can safely forget about the speed M = 2,82, even on this site they wrote about what speed limit was introduced for the 31st, the plane is not new. In general, the maximum characteristics in battle are difficult to implement and are not needed. The maneuverable characteristics of the R-33S do not really imply an attack by fighters, this is for you from practice.
                  2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 August 2015 08: 02 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Inok10
                    .. what are the objections, here I want to cry from the breadth of knowledge of the opponent

                    Maybe it's better for you to learn the materiel?
                    Quote: Inok10
                    even if TTX would have looked for pro forma ..

                    I can say them by heart laughing
                    Quote: Inok10
                    and here are the above listed Sentry and E-2A ..

                    Yes, not E-2A, but E-2C, then I got an eyelid. crying
                    Quote: Inok10
                    By the way, isn't this the same thing ?!

                    Imagine - no, Sentry is E-3 yes
                    Quote: Inok10
                    ceiling of a maximum of 16 thousand and where will they work? .. the concept of elevation is not familiar?

                    Well, you know ... Just ate me for breakfast :))
                    And so, for reference - the vertical viewing angle of the E-3 Sentry radar = plus or minus 30 degrees, so the target, flying at an altitude of 20 thousand meters, the aircraft “hanging” at 10 thousand meters will see 18 kilometers from itself and further laughing
                    Quote: Inok10
                    well, there are tales about how the F-16 with a ceiling of 16 thousand and max. speed M = 2.05 ..

                    Actually, the US air defense is doing F-15 with a practical ceiling of 20 km. So that's the only difference, 16 km or 20? AMRAAM is flying 25 meters and even higher :)
                    Quote: Inok10
                    it's like a fly would say that it’s cooler than a fly swatter

                    So they would refrain from statements of a cosmic scale and space ...
                    1. Inok10
                      Inok10 31 August 2015 14: 56 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      Yes, not E-2A, but E-2C, then I got an eyelid.

                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      Imagine - no, Sentry is E-3

                      .. Dear Andrey .. hi .. if you are "floating" in such an elementary society as "Sentry" a, E3, E3A, E3B, E3C, E3G - this is all "Sentry" the difference is the option of modernization
                      Avionics and glider .. what can I discuss here ?! .. hi .. no DRLO and Growler will help you against MiG 31 .. DRLO is just eyes .. and nothing more, it is not a weapon .. AIM 120 weapon in option C7 with a range of 120 km. .. who will let you into the launch range? .. "Barrier M" detection range of 320 km. Fighter class aircraft, the range of destruction of P 37M 300 km. and Growler will not help, the effective range of the REP means is not more than 150 km. and does the operation range coincide, far from a fact .. everyone flew in, or rather landed .. hi .. The discussion is completed .. Yes, and if mixing begins with the use of AWACS, RS 135 and the Growlers .. then you will have to fight with all Syrian air defense, including with electronic warfare / electronic warfare equipment .. but not with 6 MiG 31 and then they will perform a gorgeous long hand from which you can’t dodge .. forget the Storm in the Test tube .. here the losses will not be acceptable .. hi ..
                      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 1 September 2015 07: 58 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Inok10
                        if you are "swimming" in such an elementary society as "Sentry" a, E3, E3А, E3В, E3С

                        Dear lnok10, if you are floating in numbers (I was talking about E-2С (in words E-TWO-ES) "Hokai" which has the same relation to E-3 (in words - E - THREE) "Sentry" which you Do you have something for military aviation, really, what else to discuss?
                        Quote: Inok10
                        nor any AWACS and Growler will help you against MiG 31 .. AWACs are just eyes .. and nothing more, this is not a means of defeat.

                        This is a means of guiding fighters, which allows (including) to withdraw these fighters in an attack so that they do not fall into the sectors of the enemy radar.
                        Quote: Inok10
                        "Barrier M" 320 km detection range.

                        which is only on the MiG-31BM, which no one has delivered to Syria ...
                        Quote: Inok10
                        And even if the kneading begins with the use of AWACS, 135 RS and the Growlers .. you will have to fight with all Syrian air defense, including with electronic warfare

                        Which today are in a state of insanity, since the country has been waging war for a long time and the Syrians have neither time nor money for serious preparations (I am silent about modernization in general). Syria’s air defense is now perhaps weaker than Iraq’s air defense in 1991.
                2. zyablik.olga
                  zyablik.olga 31 August 2015 04: 46 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  As I understand it, in fact there were no objections raised?
                  And why am I not surprised?

                  This is nothing, dear Inok10 that still frame. when he has nothing to object to, he usually just blocks his opponent in the “black list”. negative
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 August 2015 08: 04 New
                    +2
                    Quote: zyablik.olga
                    when he has nothing to object to, he usually simply puts the opponent on the black list

                    Would be faster :)
      3. SCHNIFER
        SCHNIFER 1 September 2015 20: 53 New
        0
        Why evaluate a Formula 1 car at a drifting range? Assad does not have air defense - science does not know about this. While it is not known, the ames will not gain dominance in the air, they will grope for the structure and hammer with axes. MiG-31BM for axes not ice ?!
        1. Kingcobra
          Kingcobra 1 September 2015 23: 32 New
          -1
          but why do amers generally meddle in Syria if the igil is already in Damascus?
    7. veksha50
      veksha50 30 August 2015 10: 08 New
      +6
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      But what if?



      In the days of the USSR, in many countries of the world, the presence of Soviet weapons and specialist "consultants" was not officially observed ... However, it was largely due to their "absence" that individual countries and peoples were able to defeat the "peace-loving" US policy ...
    8. Rarahin
      Rarahin 30 August 2015 12: 11 New
      +2
      No, not steel.
      and why. When was the last time the pilots in mattress helmets fought air battles, and even with superior enemy forces (in, where is the experience!)? When they, mortally risking, overcame the modern air defense system (in, where is hardening!) To strike at the enemy’s guarded military facilities?

      So long ago that it is very close to never.

      These brave “aces” are increasingly specializing in bombing peaceful city blocks, and shelling refugee colonies from a safe distance, of course.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 31 August 2015 13: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: Rarahin
        When they, mortally risking, overcame the modern air defense system (in, where is hardening!) To strike at the enemy’s guarded military facilities?

        And without risk - you can’t? What is the way - to replace the established work with personal heroism?
        Why mortally risking overcoming the modern air defense systemwhen it is possible to first remove the air defense system from the standing position (by strikes of all combat arms — the KR fleet, army helicopters, low-visibility air force vehicles), and then, to protect the system from debris, give the attack group an air defense suppression group, an electronic warfare group + to hang units on pylons drummers EW containers. Actually, the Yankees had this practice back in Vietnam.

        The Yankees broke the strong air defense system twice. In the first "Desert Storm" and in Yugoslavia. And those systems were not a couple of the current Syrian, pretty pokotsat during the war.
    9. solovey
      solovey 31 August 2015 17: 39 New
      0
      Let them guess now wink
    10. Lenin
      Lenin 31 August 2015 22: 02 New
      -1
      Suddenly there is only a bunch. Everything in life repeats itself, slowly returning and starting to attend ... Not only the United States has interests.
  2. region58
    region58 30 August 2015 01: 39 New
    +15
    And this begs the quote:

    War is a way of deception. If you can do anything, show the adversary that you cannot; if you use anything, show him that you do not use it; even if you were close, show that you are far away; even if you were far away, show that you are close.

    Sun Tzu
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 30 August 2015 08: 03 New
      -3
      Quote: region58
      War is a way of deception. If you can do anything, show the adversary that you cannot; if you use anything, show him that you do not use it; even if you were close, show that you are far away; even if you were far away, show that you are close.

      Sun Tzu

      But Putin is constantly being presented with a presentation that doesn’t speak patsanski. laughing
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 30 August 2015 10: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        But Putin is constantly being presented with a presentation that doesn’t speak patsanski.



        Hmm ... Sun Tzu was a real kid, no wonder his statements are still being quoted ...

        And Putin is a real kid ... He slightly simplified some of Sun Tzu’s statements to “the urine of the enemy everywhere and by all means, even in the toilet” ...

        But Obama's real patience thinking was not given to fate and parents ...

        PS It's a joke, however, in every joke lies a bit of truth ...
    2. family tree
      family tree 30 August 2015 09: 08 New
      +6
      Quote: region58
      War is a way of deception

      Odd Sun said a lot here what In short, where is the strong, pretend to be weak, where is the weak, pretend to be strong, just
      1. family tree
        family tree 30 August 2015 09: 57 New
        0
        The film, old, black and white, 71st year, called Oginsky Polonaise, Sun Tzu resting, knew how to what
  3. Inok10
    Inok10 30 August 2015 02: 16 New
    +5
    .. Quote from the article: ..
    So in March of this year, the American drone drone MQ-1 Predator, which, incidentally, took off from the Ingerlik base, and by mistake flown in the wrong direction, was unexpectedly shot down by a S-125 Pechora-2M missile. And in December, the Syrian air defense intercepted the Israeli AGM-142 Israeli missile like this. It is interesting here that the interception was carried out from Syrian territory, apparently, the complex is not at all short or medium range.
    .. Of course there are accidents, but most often these are links in the chain of laws .. hi
  4. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 30 August 2015 03: 33 New
    +2
    To prevent any kind of indignation: in the 70s, the MiG-25 was used (it seems, in Egypt) as a scout. So it’s better to break your head. But, if only rumors about complexes like S-300, or MiG-31 are capable of plunging the enemy into hysteria, then this weapon is absolutely to the highest degree.
  5. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 30 August 2015 04: 39 New
    +6
    Someone read the comments - the wunderwafer hurray for Assad is ready, the Americans are in a panic .. it turns out that it’s all necessary to win 6 MIG-31 .. It’s against ISIS itself. While we are shouting cheers, the Americans consistently finish Assad, it doesn’t matter what way, but they work for the result, and it unfortunately bears fruit .. hi
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 30 August 2015 09: 00 New
      0
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      Someone read the comments - the wunderwafer hurray for Assad is ready, the Americans are in a panic .. it turns out all that is necessary for victory 6 MIG-31.

      So that Mig-31 is not a fig not a child prodigy (like the term bebos means a unique weapon that has not come true). And he, like the gopher is! Not every rocket is air - the air will catch up with it. So the six flashes there will definitely suit the no-fly zone.
      But this is all the lyrics. I guess from where this rumor went. Type climb on the rampage instantly immediately arrive and take off. Little Johnny doesn’t get into a pocket and is not afraid of a world prezik
      1. alone
        alone 30 August 2015 14: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: Tusv
        So that Mig-31 is not a fig not a child prodigy (like the term bebos means a unique weapon that has not come true). And he, like the gopher is! Not every rocket is air - the air will catch up with it. So the six flashes there will definitely suit the no-fly zone.


        Do you even know how many fighters you need to provide a no-fly zone? What if they suddenly lift 150 fighters into the air? How can you close the space of the 6th MIG-31?

        Quote: Tusv
        Little Johnny doesn’t get into a pocket and is not afraid of a world prezik


        They noticed it correctly. I threw the slogan “We don’t leave our own” and did the same. I smeared off a sweet couple of Twix-Formerly. МО with my mistress, who have welded billions))))
      2. rosarioagro
        rosarioagro 30 August 2015 16: 19 New
        0
        Quote: Tusv
        Little Johnny doesn’t get into a pocket and is not afraid of a world prezik

        Yeah, May 11th however
  6. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 30 August 2015 05: 16 New
    +14
    in Syria, the 5th year of the war --- we supply ... on the don bass the 2nd year - we supply .. and those and others, in my opinion, for free .. we can supply which thread the Mexican state .. or the Colombian cartel , closer to phishington, we’ll give them 100 such + 100 ha let them frolic there ...
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 30 August 2015 08: 11 New
      +1
      Do not. Enough of 3-4 piranhas of the Drug Cartels is very much about such, they even tried to do it. And there will be times of prohibition when the coast guard and the national guard will come to their ears.
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 30 August 2015 09: 11 New
      +5
      Quote: Yak-3P
      give them 100 such + 100 ha let them frolic there ...
      You do not scare the whales. A compact edishin hail was delivered to Vietnam. It turned out to be a terrible thing. Quickly so Yankof forced to peace. Goryuchka - 2 bowls of rice per day. One drags the guide, the other "gift" laughing
    3. veksha50
      veksha50 30 August 2015 10: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Yak-3P
      in Syria, the 5th year of the war --- we supply ... on the Don bass the 2nd year - we supply .. and those and others, in my opinion, for free .. we can supply which thread the Mexican state .. or the Colombian cartel ,



      Then it’s easier and cheaper to force someone to the world ... Suddenly and immediately ...
  7. Sealek
    Sealek 30 August 2015 05: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Inok10
    .. Quote from the article: ..
    So in March of this year, the American drone drone MQ-1 Predator, which, incidentally, took off from the Ingerlik base, and by mistake flown in the wrong direction, was unexpectedly shot down by a S-125 Pechora-2M missile. And in December, the Syrian air defense intercepted the Israeli AGM-142 Israeli missile like this. It is interesting here that the interception was carried out from Syrian territory, apparently, the complex is not at all short or medium range.
    .. Of course there are accidents, but most often these are links in the chain of laws .. hi


    Given the characteristics of the range 142 "VZ" (80 km) - is this what the message is about? Redirecting the SP from the carrier to 142 itself - which has "flight time" by a couple of puffs ... ???
    Such "shows" really indicate an ordinary demonstration of the fact of the formation of a dense "no-fly zone" over certain areas of Syria.
  8. 31rus
    31rus 30 August 2015 06: 38 New
    +2
    Do you really think that Assad’s planes fly wherever they want and when they want? I repeat, the USA and the coalition do not get involved directly yet, and not because Assad has super weapons (which might not be), the Yankees are used to fighting with the wrong hands as recent events (Turkey) show, they don’t want to risk their own and why not when there are so many vassals at hand, while the US is at war it’s profitable to do business with all parties to the conflict, not letting the war end, spreading it to other states
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 30 August 2015 10: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: 31rus
      the Yankees are accustomed to fighting with the wrong hands, as recent events show (Turkey), they don’t want to risk their own and why not when there are so many vassals at hand,



      One wants to shout loudly: Turks - you are suckers !!!
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 30 August 2015 11: 53 New
        0
        Quote: veksha50
        One wants to shout loudly: Turks - you are suckers !!!

        Here, a wonderful joke was told about three Turkish problems, voiced by Rousseau tourist, with a moral look.
        - They cannot solve the problem on their own
        - That's why the boiler is going
        - And with knives they come to a shootout
  9. 31rus
    31rus 30 August 2015 06: 51 New
    +1
    I just want to assume that the MiG-31 planes could be "lit up" in Syria, where you need to fly away, and you are "puzzling" whose planes, who are the pilots
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 30 August 2015 07: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: 31rus
      and you "break your head", whose planes, who are the pilots

      In the end, Brazil wins, supplying raw materials for fortune telling. wink
  10. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 30 August 2015 07: 40 New
    0
    The Americans are arming and supplying Kurds against the IG, knowing full well that in the future (and even now) this support will be turned against Turkey. Turkish “partners” in NATO were dragged into a war, from which this contender for the role of regional leader would not emerge from the former territory, economic growth and relative political stability. The IG, which generally should be viewed as an American project, is reinforced through the support system of the so-called “legal Syrian opposition” - with it the IG is a communicating vessel, both in terms of personnel and in terms of material support. The support of the official Iraq against the IS - also partly strengthens the IS, since most of the heavy weapons of the IS are captured from the Iraqi army. Saudi Arabia, which actively promoted, and even to a large extent paid for, American projects in the region, faced the real prospect of an IG offensive. This perspective will be more urgent, the sooner the response will block the IS of other expansion directions. And even Iran, informally involved in conflicts in Syria and Iraq, and in Yemen - the United States makes life easier by lifting sanctions.

    In other words - the United States plays on all boards. And everywhere the interest of the United States is the escalation of the conflict, the expansion of its geography and the involvement of all the new participants. Today, the United States is the main destabilizing factor in the world.

    It is nice to read an article by an author who is aware of what is happening. Or systematically monitors incidents in a given territory - in general, collects information and provides it in an integrated manner. Briefly, figuratively, informatively. Thank.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 30 August 2015 09: 25 New
      -1
      Quote: MainBeam
      It is nice to read an article by an author who is aware of what is happening. Or systematically monitors incidents in a given territory - in general, collects information and provides it in an integrated manner. Briefly, figuratively, informatively. Thank.

      You can add more:
      The more countries will participate in the conflict and the stronger the fighting, the greater the pressure on Europe. Migration processes will intensify at times. Now even the Americans will offer a stabilization program in the region, which they themselves will lead for EU money.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 August 2015 08: 07 New
    +1
    There are 31 in Syria, no 31 in Syria. What is the argument about? Given the fact that
    Today, the USA is the main destabilizing factor in the world.

    if necessary, they may appear as well as the S-300. Everything is in our hands. Therefore, this is information (stuffing) for Americans to think about.
  12. sssla
    sssla 30 August 2015 08: 10 New
    +1
    It's funny Mattress can not ignore even the rumors about Assad having 31s. Not steel Faberge from their pilots.

    They are not afraid of the 31sts themselves, but the figure of Russia around the Syrian corner. Russia which helps Syria and thereby defends its interests, both in this region and globally !!!
  13. sssla
    sssla 30 August 2015 08: 11 New
    +1
    It's funny Mattress can not ignore even the rumors about Assad having 31s. Not steel Faberge from their pilots.

    They (both pilots and the country) are not afraid of the 31sts themselves, but the figure of Russia around the Syrian corner. Russia which helps Syria and thereby defends its interests, both in this region and globally !!!
  14. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 30 August 2015 10: 15 New
    +2
    This, apparently, is about the attack on December 7, 2014. They were released
    with F-15 4 KR Popeye. One was intercepted, three hit the target.
    1. 0255
      0255 30 August 2015 11: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      This, apparently, is about the attack on December 7, 2014. They were released
      with F-15 4 KR Popeye. One was intercepted, three hit the target.

      Is there really a Jew who confirms the downing of at least one Israeli Syrian air defense missile? belay Usually, Jews prove to us that the Israeli rocket was not shot down, despite the video
      1. Krasmash
        Krasmash 30 August 2015 13: 47 New
        +3
        Quote: 0255
        Is there really a Jew

        We still need to find out about his nationality. And here is your favorite professor, Kostya, in general half-Belarus. belay
        1. 0255
          0255 30 August 2015 14: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: Krasmash
          Quote: 0255
          Is there really a Jew

          We still need to find out about his nationality. And here is your favorite professor, Kostya, in general half-Belarus. belay

          Come on, Israel was created with the participation of Belarusian Jews)))
          1. Krasmash
            Krasmash 30 August 2015 14: 44 New
            0
            Quote: 0255
            Quote: Krasmash
            Quote: 0255
            Is there really a Jew

            We still need to find out about his nationality. And here is your favorite professor, Kostya, in general half-Belarus. belay

            Come on, Israel was created with the participation of Belarusian Jews)))

            Okay. See how it turns out, the commander of the Israeli contingent is not even a purebred Jew, what a scandal.
        2. Arestant
          Arestant 30 August 2015 17: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: Krasmash
          We still need to find out about his nationality. And here is your favorite professor, Kostya, in general half-Belarus.

          Yes, and God help him! We are not Nazis to calculate the percentage of thoroughbred. smile Here we have such hybrids all the time fellow . Why go far - take at least my family. Son-in-law is an American with Polish roots, an elder daughter-in-law from South. Africa, in her family Indians and Dutch, the youngest daughter-in-law has ancestors from Italy, Tunisia and Turkey. And they are all Jews and citizens of Israel. Fine ... good
  15. Proud.
    Proud. 30 August 2015 12: 22 New
    +2
    "... It is interesting here that the interception was carried out from Syrian territory, apparently, the complex is not at all short or medium range. Approximately the same way, the S-300P (air defense) systems of various modifications work by means of the double means." the contract for the delivery of S-300 to Syria did not seem to be implemented (and according to some official reports, the systems intended to be sent to Syria were even understated.) Nevertheless, the Israeli missile was intercepted by something similar to the S-300 complex, which, as we know, in Syria would It can’t. Of course, just as there can be no MiG-31 fighters ... "- Remember the week old infa that the Syrians, like, shot down the Israeli F-16? That’s what I found. Without claiming the truth, just I am sharing information. Whether it is true or not, everyone decides for himself. I quote: ".. Syrian air defense shot down an Israeli F-16 using the Russian S-300 air defense system, and the Israelis lost 2 helicopters.

    Neither Western nor Israeli media reported the downing of an Israeli military aircraft by Syria. According to the Sputnik agency, on August 21, "the Israeli Air Force resumed air raids on targets in Western Syria, strikes were carried out at the base of government forces in Khan Al-Sheikh in Damascus province and at another base in Al-Quneitra province. Attacks, with six-hour a break, followed by multiple air raids on the Golan Heights. ”

    Fars News Agency (FNA) confirms Israeli attacks by Israeli Air Force and the death of an Israeli fighter

    Syrian air defense shot down an Israeli military aircraft, violating the airspace of the Arab country.

    An Israeli fighter was shot down over the city of Al Quneitra on Friday.

    Israel regularly violates the borders of Syrian airspace and carries out rocket attacks on this Arab country.

    On Friday, the Israeli air force resumed air raids on targets in Western Syria, striking at the base of the 68th brigade in Khan Al-Sheikh in the province of Damascus and at the base of the 90th brigade in the province of Al-Quneitra. The strikes, with a six-hour break, followed multiple air raids on the Golan Heights. ”

    * * *

    Yesterday, on the early morning of Friday, August 21, an Israeli F-16 fighter-bomber entered Syrian airspace and insolently fired at the base of the 68th brigade, then turned and flew towards the base of the 90th brigade, located in the city of Al-Quneitra, in order to ensure a safe landing on the lands of occupied Palestine, in case the plane crashes. The plane was shot down. Technically, this was done expertly. First, an SA-9 missile was launched from Iftiraas air defense base, and an SA-2 missile from Halhaal air base. This was to ensure that the F-16 electronic jamming systems focus on SA-2 and SA-9. Then, from the Republican Guard base, located near the Mazza airbase at the foot of Mount Kaaziyun, west of Damascus, the S-300 (SA-10 "Grumble) air defense super-complex missile was launched. The S-300 turned an Israeli plane into dust. No evidence that the pilot was able to catapult.On the contrary, eyewitnesses described a flaming fireball over the Golan and particles scattered in the air over the Huleh Valley in Palestine.

    In addition, the Israelis lost 2 helicopters flying over the Golan Heights, in order to maintain the declining morale of al-Nusra / Al-Qaeda and Al-Ittihaad Al-Islaami li-Ajnaad Al-Shaam. These 2 helicopters crashed in the area of ​​Al Quneitra, reportedly they were shot down from MANPADS belonging to the Syrian army ... "http://3mv.ru/publ/izrail_narvalsja_na_neprijatnosti_i_pokhozhe_chto_ehto_tolko_

    nachalo / 3-1-0-46772
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 30 August 2015 12: 40 New
      0
      ". Syrian air defense shot down an Israeli F-16 using the Russian S-300 air defense system,
      the Israelis also lost 2 helicopters "////

      There were no losses of planes or helicopters over Syria.
      Perhaps a reconnaissance UAV was shot down.
      (In addition, there is no S-300 in Syria).
    2. alone
      alone 30 August 2015 12: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Be proud.
      Fars News (FNA) confirmed


      That’s all said)))))
    3. Arestant
      Arestant 30 August 2015 17: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Be proud.
      , the S-300 air defense super-complex (SA-10 "Grumble) missile was launched. The S-300 turned an Israeli plane into dust.

      Quote: Be proud.
      In addition, the Israelis lost 2 helicopters flying over the Golan Heights

      And some are not tired of posting this fake! lol
      1. alone
        alone 30 August 2015 20: 33 New
        -1
        Quote: Arestant
        And some are not tired of posting this fake!

        What for? it is necessary than to find solace)))) wassat
        1. Arestant
          Arestant 30 August 2015 20: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          What for? it is necessary than to find solace))))

          There are enough real facts of the IDF's unsuccessful actions - use it, why do you stubbornly engage in clowning?
          1. 6 inches
            6 inches 30 August 2015 22: 48 New
            -1
            laziness to look for them ...
  16. Kuzyakin15
    Kuzyakin15 30 August 2015 21: 26 New
    -1
    Quote: razzhivin
    I put you a plus colleague !!! drinks uryaaaaa patriotism is really too much !!!! negative

    I join too. +++
    Hooray-patriotism just rolls over. Even the episode with Vasilyeva did not cool the heads of the pro-Putin people: the grand master’s ingenious move is another
  17. Vasisualiy
    Vasisualiy 30 August 2015 23: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    It's funny Mattress can not ignore even the rumors about Assad having 31s. Not steel Faberge from their pilots. So far, you have not heard that the Turks with the striped-eared bombed the Syrian troops. Like this! And no other way. Of course, one hundred against one that there are no 31s in Syria. But what if?

    You know, guys, if the chance to win the lottery were one hundred to one, then I would play ...
  18. Evil 55
    Evil 55 31 August 2015 10: 49 New
    +2
    Today, the USA is the main destabilizing factor in the world. -... Magically-literate and accurate words ...
  19. VladimS
    VladimS 31 August 2015 12: 40 New
    +1
    Mark Twain has a story about how a person who was mistakenly considered a millionaire was given a loan without restriction and without collateral, out of respect for a million (at the end of the 19th century it was like a billion now). Syria is now collecting dividends from a non-existent million. And in the role of suckers - our military and political opponents.

    Now the whole world in the role of suckers, allows mattresses to live beyond their means ... despite their huge public debt in the history of mankind.
    I remember, some time ago, at RBC they discussed "why the ruble is falling" !?
    One of the reasons was called that payments to us in the amount of 18 lard just at that time were still forthcoming to us at that time ... Although they know all that there is money and payment will be made on time, without delay.
    Based on the analogies .., USEY should now have a rate of $ 500 - to 1 euro.
    This does not happen only on trust, which is not unlimited.
  20. mosquit
    mosquit 31 August 2015 18: 55 New
    0
    01.04.201/100/XNUMX .. Sensation ... engLitsky scientists have discovered life on Mars !!! (XNUMX comments)
    02.04.201/100/XNUMX .. Sensation ... anglitsky scientists have denied the existence of life on Mars !!! (XNUMX comments)

    So, using the classic ways of raising the "circulation" you can not poorly "exist" ...
  21. NordUral
    NordUral 31 August 2015 23: 44 New
    0
    31 cannot be delivered to anyone, only in the sky of Russia their place.
    But Assad and the people of Syria need help, good is what.
  22. AntonioPt
    AntonioPt 31 August 2015 23: 55 New
    0
    Do many have problems?

    - At work

    - In family

    - In health

    - In love


    Problems are a component of your life. However, all problems are easily solved.

    To do this, just look at what you are doing and bring out a common denominator that brings discord to the quality of your life.

    It so happened our society that everyone needs money !!!

    Money gives what you are missing.

    - Freedom. Freedom of choice, freedom of movement, freedom of thought.

    - Health. When you have enough money, you worry less, get nervous, so spend less health. You can easily be treated in the best clinics in the world. Learn the secrets of recovery, lead a healthy lifestyle.

    - Love. Love is one hundred percent responsibility for the happiness of another person. But how can one make a person happy if own happiness is a big question. A poor man cannot love, because there is nothing to give him !. His thoughts are preoccupied with the fear of losing his job, the fear that the other half will not survive and will go to the other. Fear that love ends because all the time, all thoughts and all attention are occupied with how to make money.

    These are not obvious facts, but there are other, more commonplace ones, but we will return to the most interesting.

    How to get money and all the components? Need to sell something!

    Goods, Time, Services. It’s good if you have something to sell!

    And what if there is nothing to sell, then you need to use what you have.

    1. If you have already fixed income, You can direct part of the funds to investments. Even if the amounts you measure are small. The discipline itself, stingy with interest on investments, will provide an opportunity to get a new goal that will help you raise your self-esteem, confidence in the future, and possibly revise your future plans.

    We choose a modern, highly profitable investment tool.

    We are aware of the fear that prevents a person from making a choice in favor of investing.

    We make a decision and set off on a pleasant path of financial independence.

    (Today, the PAMM account is considered to be the leading investment tool in the market. What is a PAMM account can be read here:

    http://www.bankcreds.ru/what_is_a_pamm_account.htm )

    2. If your income is very small, then you need to invest your time. To do this, you must also use a modern tool and use it to your advantage. Take the liberty of choosing a new profession for yourself. You can easily see that you can do it by looking at the old story about the king of stock futures: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH5_IhfFkAE), where ordinary people from the street earned billions of dollars, without much knowledge.

    We choose a modern, highly profitable, working tool.

    We are aware of the fear that prevents a person from deciding in favor of a new profession.

    We make a decision and set off on a pleasant path to financial education.

    Go to the website http://www.bankcreds.ru/, select the best investment tool and go ahead to your dreams.
  23. AntonioPt
    AntonioPt 1 September 2015 03: 27 New
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    Do many have problems?

    - At work

    - In family

    - In health

    - In love


    Problems are a component of your life. However, all problems are easily solved.

    To do this, just look at what you are doing and bring out a common denominator that brings discord to the quality of your life.

    It so happened our society that everyone needs money !!!

    Money gives what you are missing.

    - Freedom. Freedom of choice, freedom of movement, freedom of thought.

    - Health. When you have enough money, you worry less, get nervous, so spend less health. You can easily be treated in the best clinics in the world. Learn the secrets of recovery, lead a healthy lifestyle.

    - Love. Love is one hundred percent responsibility for the happiness of another person. But how can one make a person happy if own happiness is a big question. A poor man cannot love, because there is nothing to give him !. His thoughts are preoccupied with the fear of losing his job, the fear that the other half will not survive and will go to the other. Fear that love ends because all the time, all thoughts and all attention are occupied with how to make money.

    These are not obvious facts, but there are other, more commonplace ones, but we will return to the most interesting.

    How to get money and all the components? Need to sell something!

    Goods, Time, Services. It’s good if you have something to sell!

    And what if there is nothing to sell, then you need to use what you have.

    1. If you have already fixed income, You can direct part of the funds to investments. Even if the amounts you measure are small. The discipline itself, stingy with interest on investments, will provide an opportunity to get a new goal that will help you raise your self-esteem, confidence in the future, and possibly revise your future plans.

    We choose a modern, highly profitable investment tool.

    We are aware of the fear that prevents a person from making a choice in favor of investing.

    We make a decision and set off on a pleasant path of financial independence.

    (Today, the PAMM account is considered to be the leading investment tool in the market. What is a PAMM account can be read here:

    http://www.bankcreds.ru/what_is_a_pamm_account.htm )

    2. If your income is very small, then you need to invest your time. To do this, you must also use a modern tool and use it to your advantage. Take the liberty of choosing a new profession for yourself. You can easily see that you can do it by looking at the old story about the king of stock futures: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH5_IhfFkAE), where ordinary people from the street earned billions of dollars, without much knowledge.

    We choose a modern, highly profitable, working tool.

    We are aware of the fear that prevents a person from deciding in favor of a new profession.

    We make a decision and set off on a pleasant path to financial education.

    Go to the website http://www.bankcreds.ru/, select the best investment tool and go ahead to your dreams.
  24. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 1 September 2015 04: 49 New
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    The article is general information.
    But after reading the last words .... I regretted that it is impossible to put two or more pluses
    In the coming years, Russia will have to play the exact opposite role: gradually reduce the combat zones, increase the islands of stability in the flaming region, unite the efforts of all state entities interested in peace and stable development

    Here is the real mission of Great Russia on earth - SECURITY OF PEACE AND ORDER!
  25. Shaneka73
    Shaneka73 1 September 2015 10: 21 New
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    Be respectful of the Turkish flag. Don't put it on locations the place folks sit or stand, don't drag it, don't wrinkle it, do not contaminate it, don't use it as a gown or uniform. Not solely will Turks be very offended, moreover the desecration of the Turkish flag is a punishable offence. The flag is extremely vital and nicely revered in Turkey.
  26. Buffalo
    Buffalo 1 September 2015 17: 45 New
    0
    Ours are already fighting in Syria !!!

    http://news.rambler.ru/world/31207402/
    http://news.rambler.ru/world/31207402/items/?track=news_items
    Beat the enemy in alien territory!
  27. leon1204id
    leon1204id 1 September 2015 23: 28 New
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    Who is ours? I won’t be surprised about the soldiers; nobody will say anything about the rest.

    I am "tormented by vague doubts": the Turks were the first to give out reports on Mig31's deliveries to Syria. And the southern stream was hindering us. They are members of NATO. d.
    If they were there, for a long time there would have been infa, someone who. no
  28. Kingcobra
    Kingcobra 2 September 2015 10: 05 New
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    or US coercion to peace

    one might think that Syria had six aircraft carriers, and not a couple of elderly disabled interceptors .... What threat can they pose to the clouds of drones and fighter aircraft at bases throughout the region?