A new form of military "figure" - all the pros and cons

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A new form of military "figure" - all the pros and consAnyone who is in any way connected with the army or state armed units knows about the new form “figure”. For more than 2's, it has been praised and debated. All and sundry gave advice and recommendations, and the armed forces experienced and carried it on themselves.

The appearance of "numbers"

In 2007, the military department signed a contract for a new field design. The result of the project was the everyday form, called the "figure".

The implementation of the "figures" was not easy, but still two prototypes came into being: the first is from domestic materials and as a result is cost-effective, the other is more expensive, from imported material. The manufacture of two prototypes is explained by the unwillingness of domestic factories to produce the necessary materials of appropriate quality and large quantities. But for a couple of years, while the new form was being tested, the Russian industry mastered the production of the necessary materials.

Tests "figures" were held in the divisions of the GRU After testing in 2009, Special Forces soldiers made up their minds about the uniform and asked a lot to replace, remove or return.

One of the first comments is to move the shoulder strap from shoulder to sleeve; it clings to shoulder straps. weapon, knapsacks, backpacks. Stars and signs located on shoulder straps, pressed into the shoulders, there is discomfort, in addition, the straps of knapsacks, clinging to the acute angles of stars and signs, quickly become useless and break. The wide collar was also taken into account by the request of the special forces, the original heavily rubbed the neck, which bound the turns of the head. The proposed linings were removed during the testing process - in cold weather and bad weather did not bring tangible benefits, only hindered and gave more weight to the “digit”. The GRU fighters also insisted on additional inserts on the folds of the arms and legs, and introduced holes in the new shape for ventilation and temperature and humidity control.

At the same tests, the poor quality of the clothes was noticed, the condition of the seams and the quality of the fabric — the fabric was cool and did not hold warm, the threads on the seams diverged literally every day.

The cost of the new form kits is also known - the winter uniform costs 2443 rubles, the summer one - 996 rubles. Buy "figure" will be in retail, the price of the sets at the same time will be doubled. Four companies that won at an auction organized by the military department are engaged in supplying the "figures" to the military personnel.

Positive information on the "figure"

After the form arrived at the military units, a survey was conducted in which the order of 6 000 conscripts from almost 50 military units located in different parts of Russia took part.

Survey results: about 70% of all military personnel (officers, contract servicemen and military conscripts) were satisfied with the quality of the material and its resistance to stretching, about the same were satisfied with wearing the form. Slightly more than half paid attention to the lightness and low weight compared with the old form. About 60% did not experience discomfort when wearing a winter set of form in winter conditions.
Almost all respondents, with a few exceptions, confirmed that the form does not cause discomfort during the whole working day and does not interfere with the tasks assigned.

Some say that they experienced discomfort during a long stay in the air. A third of respondents gave a low rating of thermal insulation insulation in the winter "numbers", especially when performing combat missions in the special conditions of the far north.

A lot of criticism among the military personnel was heard in the address of the length of the summer jacket, which, due to insufficient length, constantly jumps out of the trousers.
The main remark of the officers is the return of insignia to the uniform.

Negative information on the "figure"

Recently scandalous materials were published in which the “figure” appeared - about 140 soldiers were taken to hospital with the diagnosis “pneumonia”. In the course of the investigation conducted by the military prosecutor's office, it was found out that the conscripts went in wet and damp form, as a result of which they became sick.

The incident happened in the military unit 20115, at the moment one of the servicemen died. On this fact, a criminal case, under investigation.
According to the investigation, it was reliably established that there was no heating and hot water supply in the military unit, and this was due to the onset of cold weather and precipitation. Household rooms and dryers did not work, and the soldiers could not dry their clothes.

Investigators also noticed that the form is not quite suitable for everyday wear - the “figure” collects moisture and reluctantly releases it.
The Ministry of Defense issued a special guide for draftees of all types of troops. The manual describes in detail how to properly wear a uniform and use the uniform, which set of uniform and in what weather to wear.

The “figure” form is the same for any soldier, be it a conscript or officer, in the Russian army they serve and serve the order of 400 000 military recruits and 150 000 military officers.

Help on the "figure"

Designers were engaged in form design from the “Yudashkin House” and many other specialists, directly “from Yudashkin” elements of clothing were taken, the fabrics proposed by the designers were completely rejected.

The cost of a complete set of military uniform (both sets, cap, boots, hat, socks, etc.) is about 7000 rubles.
Manufacturers of "numbers":
- Factory "Initiative";
- Factory "Red Weavers";
- CJSC "Uniform Center";
- OJSC "BTK Group".

In total, more than 25 billion rubles will be allocated to the new “digit”. In three years, before 2014, the Russian army will be completely disguised as a “number”.
“Digit” is still not an ambitious project of domestic designers, not a whim of the military department, but still a form that has been tested in various conditions, and it emerged from the experience and skills of fighters of armed units who have combat experience behind them.

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  1. alnikar
    +15
    1 November 2011 08: 53
    I don’t know who picked up the coloring and how, but at airsoft games it proved to be a bad camouflage, it really disguises itself only in a light deciduous forest, in other cases even the old form is much better in disguise.
    1. +1
      1 November 2011 09: 17
      I like Partizan MTR more, the colors are good.
      1. Tolia
        +1
        2 November 2011 00: 17
        yes, the Waffen SS camouflage used in the SSO guerrilla suit is very good .. as well as the cut of their mountain suits copied in the USSR mountain suit "Gorka"
    2. itr
      +16
      1 November 2011 10: 40
      I'm certainly not a strategist, but at least the winter form should not be green
      1. +8
        1 November 2011 14: 17
        dear - do you imagine everyday snow-white uniforms! ???? even the cabinet general will stain her in a couple of hours of fidgeting in the office, and it’s not a problem to put on the usual mask, and someone I don’t remember in the regular army of any country in the world with a special uniform with a winter coat, only special forces in the northern countries, yes and in the absence of snow at sub-zero temperatures it will somehow be unprofitable in summer-but green, or winter-but white! ???? Of course, the coloring is not so hot, probably the KZS and KZM mask better, and the functionality is not happy with the quality, the Amerikosovskaya is better thought out, and Gorka3 is more practical in many ways, and the shoulder strap where it is located is unimportant from the practical side of wearing if it was done correctly (so as not to clung, embroidered and not iron or plastic stars and baubles, etc.), they just didn’t think about it — and that we don’t have America — and everyone was used to the insignia that should be on the buttonholes and shoulder straps, it’s not necessary to change some weight
        1. +4
          1 November 2011 22: 17
          Our maskhalats were white, I hope they didn’t throw them away. On the shoulder straps - Darth Vader fumbles not only in star wars, but also in the stars on shoulder straps, he painted everything correctly.
    3. FIMUK
      +1
      28 February 2012 12: 30
      Yeah, taking into account the fact that all the combat camouflage properties of the lump are calculated at distances from 50 to 200 meters, that is, the distance of fire contact ..... airsoft distance of 10-50 meters of the ball = romete contact .... Do you feel the difference?
    4. 0
      24 August 2012 18: 01
      I completely agree. Old coloring is better.
  2. Motherland
    +4
    1 November 2011 08: 58
    I personally can see a person from far away in the figure, like a green spot against a forest, maybe somewhere in the desert it will come out, but obviously not in our forests.
  3. 0
    1 November 2011 09: 06
    This sediment, and not the form, I hope it will be improved, at least they will, and even this will remain for another 50 years.
  4. +11
    1 November 2011 09: 15
    I don't remember where, I came across a note about the "number", when a cold soldier comes to the hospital with a fever, and under the winter "number" he has a summer uniform and a vest. And along the way it turned out that the new uniform does this partially, without pads, given in the article, without thermal underwear. That is, the form is designed to be worn in a complex, and worn as it turns out, hence the negative on diseases.
    1. +2
      1 November 2011 10: 33
      On thermal underwear and steal!
  5. Motherland
    -2
    1 November 2011 09: 23
    The fact that the form "with love in the American way" is from here and all the shit.
    1. 0
      1 November 2011 09: 29
      Oh, away we go, they finally remembered about the "Pindos" wink but I thought you’ll discuss the form at least once in your life, and not guess it. What in the form of the American?
      1. Motherland
        0
        1 November 2011 09: 37
        Well, for starters, we love to merge all the worst in the West.
        1. +2
          1 November 2011 09: 51
          The talk about form is not about the density of matter in space. You said that the uniform is "American style", answer my question, what is American in it? The fabric? The color?
          1. Motherland
            +1
            1 November 2011 10: 34
            The fact that as far as I know the figure appeared in the USA, and we know how they like to impose their interests on everyone.
            1. +5
              1 November 2011 11: 43
              Stop blaming the whole USA. We pissed off the country like that, and we’ll shatter one more until we understand who is to blame.
              1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                +1
                1 November 2011 12: 40
                danilatrg - AT LEAST WHO SOME BRAIN IS.
            2. Tolia
              -1
              2 November 2011 00: 21
              Actually, in Canada CADPAT ... which later became the basis for a series of American patterns ... but the Russian version is gone ... still the old "flora" masked better ...
            3. +4
              2 November 2011 11: 04
              in fact, the prototype of the "digit" appeared in the union long before all foreign analogues, although the "resolution" suffered wink - KZS and KZM had coloring similar to digital printing in the form of spots from uniform squares similar to pixels, without knowing the shape, color and other things - why discuss on this topic !?
  6. Tatars
    0
    1 November 2011 09: 26
    If only the squares did more
    1. +6
      1 November 2011 09: 30
      You don’t understand anything, this is HD quality, there is a high pixel density per inch.
      1. +3
        1 November 2011 22: 22
        And it was very comfortable for me as X / B.
    2. 0
      24 August 2012 18: 06
      Absolutely agree. Everything merges with 10 steps.
  7. sweetheart
    +11
    1 November 2011 10: 24
    In terms of defensiveness, in the sense of masking qualities, the best form was camouflage, which entered the troops (Airborne Forces) in the late 80s and early 90s, that is, under the Soviet regime that is. There also on the summer form braces were provided, who remembers. He sewed from some kind of imported fabric, either German or Czech. It was saturated with something; in the NVD, the silhouette of a person was not recognized if the person was motionless. Exceptionally high-quality was a veil both in masking qualities and in the process of everyday wear. Moreover, that summer uniform, that winter kit. The only one, the latter was somewhat heavy. The problem book asks: to ... reinvent the wheel, that is, form, if it has already been invented? And was she even in the army supply? True, in the Soviet. And we, as you know, are actively getting rid of the Soviet past. This is probably the whole point!
    1. +9
      1 November 2011 10: 52
      The camouflage in the USSR did not have an original name. Development of this color was carried out within the framework of the work (project) "Bhutan". So this color began to be called. It was originally intended for arming units and subunits of the Airborne Forces and the MP. As a result, due to the confusion that began in the country at the beginning of the 90s, he remained at the present time on supply in the aviation units of the Air Force. The camouflage pattern turned out to be successful and well broke the human silhouette

      1. Tolia
        +1
        2 November 2011 00: 24
        although he is in service in Ukraine, but there are no less idiots in supply than in Russia ... they used a shitty color scheme that negates the excellent properties of "butane"
  8. 0
    1 November 2011 10: 41
    Interestingly, what an abnormal ...., I guessed that the shoulder straps should be transferred from the shoulders to the chest, the armor will be put on by the fighter and the shoulder straps will not be visible. Signs of difference should be on the collars and sleeves from above. This is understandable. You must correctly approach everything. set, not junk. And who forgive them thought of making the winter form green. Does everything bloom in the winter? I understand there is a white cloak on top but still .....
    1. ESCANDER
      +3
      1 November 2011 11: 09
      Et Yudashkin, looking at his "authority", hung a shoulder strap on his belly.
      1. 0
        1 November 2011 11: 15
        If you take a closer look at the US military in a field uniform, you will see that even without Yudashkin, the epaulette is placed on his stomach ...
    2. +3
      1 November 2011 11: 12
      As for the epaulette, I tell you - when putting on a bulletproof vest, the epaulette moves to the sleeve. And as for the color of the winter form, could you voice your ideas?
      1. ESCANDER
        +4
        1 November 2011 11: 39
        We can!
        If the form is field, then it should be the color of the surrounding area.
        In winter, we have white snow.
        So the winter field uniform should be RED.
        1. +6
          1 November 2011 11: 51
          The most powerful answer !!!! But seriously speaking, often the winter form begins to be worn in the fall, when even not all the vegetation has withered and foliage has spread around. Autumn nights are especially insidious. And in this case, white is useless. It would be possible, of course, to wear a camouflage mask gown on a white uniform, but decided to do the opposite, since the white uniform would have to be washed more often. But I would give the red uniform to the police, let them see them from afar.
      2. +1
        1 November 2011 19: 20
        Ideas are better to use grayish-white tones for winter. Here are examples http://www.futbolki.com/allimages/new%20bandan/33b_big.jpg.
        http://welly-hunter.com.ua/images/welly_winter_600.jpg
        http://images-kitup.military.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Marine-Corps-Arctic-
        camouflage.jpg
        http://s51.radikal.ru/i133/0901/22/e0e50ed2f71f.jpg
        Shoulder straps should be attached in one place and they do not need to be outweighed, otherwise it will not be long to lose.
        1. +2
          2 November 2011 06: 57
          I reply to your message: on your links, on the first one, I saw nothing but advertising. The second depicts winter clothing for hunting, which is worn only on a specific occasion, that is, very rarely. It is not intended for everyday wear for a long time. All the more so for being on vehicles or in trenches. That is, I will repeat once again - you cannot wear this uniform in the fall, and in the winter you will have to wash a lot. It is much easier to have a green uniform and issue a white mask to it - it is much easier to wash it. And for the duration of his washing, the fighter does not lose his main warm clothing. On the third and fourth links, there are photos of people in mask coats, worn over the main warm clothes. Now about shoulder straps. The shoulder straps were originally executed on the chest and on the sleeve in the form of straps, one end of which is sewn to the form, and the other is fastened to it with Velcro. Replaceable is the part of the shoulder strap with insignia, which is made in the form of a sleeve that is put on the strap, and can be easily changed from one strap to another. In general, you can lose anything: a grenade, conscience, intelligence, cartridges - everyone has their own talents in this matter.
          1. 0
            2 November 2011 13: 12
            Now I say, I gave examples of color, rather than uniforms. In order for a soldier not to go dirty he should have 2 masks. A type of light jacket and trousers that are worn in an insulated uniform (lining.) And then we have green to put on a mask and dressing gowns on it. It would be better if I made a good lining with a jacket and trousers fastened to it in winter color. It doesn’t have to be pure white. Any camouflage is moraled. Second, I’m not at all interested in what kind of sleeve it is with .I TALK READ IT CAREFULLY ON THE BREAST IT SHOULD NOT BE! THIS IS A MAD DECISION. Here I represent the BATTLE ALARM. All run wearing armor on a new uniform and the soldier doesn’t give a damn about transferring these couplings and shoulder straps. He dressed in military uniforms. POWERS Initially, they should be sewn to the sleeves on top near the shoulders. Or there should be insignia on the collars. Third, this whole idea with a shoulder strap is whistled from the NATO form. Our stupid managers do not know how to think practically.
            1. +1
              2 November 2011 13: 30
              And what annoys you about the fact that a white mask. Robe is put on a green uniform? Regarding removable shoulder straps, I have known for a long time that such an arrangement of shoulder straps on the "digit" was borrowed by NATO, and in order not to interlock the shoulder straps, it is enough not to use insignia made of solid materials, such as metal or plastic, on them. On sale for a long time there are removable shoulder straps on which the stars are embroidered with thread or glued from polyethylene. They will not put pressure on the chest under the armor ... Although it is possible to place it on the sleeves, personally I do not see any problem in this at all.
        2. 0
          2 November 2011 20: 11
          even just according to the color selection - only the marines' robe is meaningful - all the others unmask the background of the snow cover in the absence of vegetation and other factors., i.e. in the field, against the backdrop of a snowy hill, it is better to just white, possibly with low-contrast (muffled bed tones) patterns
    3. 0
      17 February 2012 15: 14
      Quote: Esso
      the fighter will dress the bronik and the shoulder strap will not be visible.

      And if you would have left on your shoulders would it have been visible? The second shoulder strap is placed on the left sleeve. Just for these cases.
    4. 0
      24 August 2012 18: 13
      Shoulder straps on my chest do not approve, but when the bronik puts on, it is transferred to the forearm (complete insanity).
  9. +5
    1 November 2011 11: 15
    my opinion is bad color and selection

    In my opinion, the most advanced camouflage camouflage in RUSSIA is the SUPRAT (SURVIVAL BODY) of the FSB, FSOB, MVD. ALREADY CONCLUDED STATE CONTRACTS ON THE DELIVERY OF THIS CAMOUFLAGE
    http://srvv.org/surpat/
    1. svvaulsh
      +4
      1 November 2011 12: 15
      Cool! In a couple of shots, I did not even consider a person.
    2. 0
      24 August 2012 18: 34
      Here are experimental tank coveralls, the main thing is not camouflage, but convenience, I think it's not bad!
  10. 0
    1 November 2011 12: 46
    The main military prosecutor’s office, which instituted criminal proceedings on the facts of mass diseases and death of people after the introduction of this form of clothing, should have put a point in this matter. But so far, I have not seen any information about the completion of these cases.
    AU !!! Mr. FRIDINSKY !!! WAKE UP !!! WINTER HAS COME!!! PEOPLE (ALREADY BY YOUR GRACE) WILL CONTINUE TO BE FREEZED IN THIS DRESSING?
    1. 0
      2 November 2011 12: 47
      Quote: piston.k
      The main military prosecutor’s office should have put a point in this matter.

      only the war can put the fattest point on this issue (God forbid)
  11. Alexey Prikazchikov
    0
    1 November 2011 12: 48
    I watch komenty and protect 90 percent of those unsubscribing who didn’t wear this uniform, at least you know that you can’t buy it in the store, even the fabric is original, the fake is original. I wore this uniform and the problem was not in the form, but in the fact that they do not give it out right away, but in parts, it’s further because the barracks of some units lack normal windows that can be opened and aired in winter so that people don’t get sick, and most importantly Some commanders must be able to use the uniform, and this is a big step compared to the old flora.
    1. Serush
      -1
      16 November 2011 21: 23
      I bought, I wear fishing. I have a -3 slide in number. All is well, but REALLY BLOWS.
    2. bells
      -1
      19 December 2011 01: 40
      Oh well! I will look at you in a synthetic winterizer during a field exit! Warrior .... Himself at least a couple of boots demolished?
  12. Rawling4851
    +1
    1 November 2011 14: 04
    Of course, this will not improve the quality, but it can be called a scarf a scarf, not a scarf, and suspenders are suspenders, not straps. Was this Yudashkin’s idea?
    1. +8
      1 November 2011 17: 09
      Uuuuu, how it all started, when I was serving in the army, and it was 18 years ago, it was called a scarf for the scarf, you see what kind of scarf is a narrow-cut scarf that folds when worn.
      1. +1
        1 November 2011 17: 17
        This is exactly the word "muffler" in the army for a long time. And in Soviet times it was used, not a "scarf".
  13. +2
    1 November 2011 14: 26
    yes - there were not enough tanks and armored personnel carriers from AvtoVAZ ...... although in terms of mental attack it can be a strong argument! wink
  14. eJik
    0
    1 November 2011 15: 04
    some guards
  15. zczczc
    +3
    1 November 2011 15: 29
    In my opinion, this is a sentence for the clothes of a warrior, where he will receive these conditions in a damp trench in a war:

    Household rooms and dryers did not work, and soldiers could not dry their clothes.
    Investigators also noticed that the form is not quite suitable for everyday wear - the “figure” collects moisture and reluctantly releases it.
    1. 0
      2 November 2011 13: 22
      So read the composition of the fabric. For example, polyester, this is golimy synthetics!
      1. +1
        2 November 2011 13: 38
        and what we want, cotton remained in Uzbekistan, here you will remember the Great and mighty Soviet Union
      2. zczczc
        0
        2 November 2011 21: 19
        esso, I am aware, already, discussed somehow:
        http://topwar.ru/7259-orvi-groza-armii.html#comment-id-42049
  16. rise
    +4
    1 November 2011 15: 30
    Say what you like, but the warmest clothes that I wore, and you don’t sweat much, are the good old cotton trousers and a padded jacket, the rest are all newfangled garbage, either do not really warm or breathe through the body, sweat pouring in a stream costs a little load on the body.
    1. 0
      27 December 2011 12: 13
      Totally agree!
      At moorings (Northern Fleet), always in a quilted jacket and wadded trousers.
      And there were also so thin ones, the quilted one, I’m probably afraid of a mistake in the name. It is thinner and lighter than a padded jacket, but also very warm and comfortable.
      Everything else is worse.
      Even independent collections of sweaters and thermal underwear are not channels.
  17. Mr. Truth
    0
    1 November 2011 15: 34
    A friend is now in the army, serving in Mulino, a fuel and lubricant worker, does not complain about the number, the summer one also speaks quite well.

    It would be nice to dress the Armed Forces in SURPAT, its drawing is of course a copy of MARPAT, but the color scheme is still pretty good.
  18. zavesa01
    +2
    1 November 2011 16: 13
    Yeah, you didn’t serve in our FLEET, the sailors still go in the uniform approved by Peter 1. The rest are also not better, as if in a campaign you don’t wash cream shirts in the absence of water. In the salt, they do not wash off. And washing once every 10 days for 4 minutes is weak so three months to live? So socks for prmera purchased purchased from the calculation removed - threw it away. And the best form in winter is an overcoat. In minutes defense of her at least partially, but got rid
  19. +1
    1 November 2011 19: 48
    The Ministry of Defense issued a special manual for draftees of all types of troops. The manual describes in detail how to wear a uniform and use a uniform,

    But I was not surprised and was once again convinced that kickbacks were received.
    In order to smash these lured firmochki, to analyze errors and order reliable materials, the Ministry of Defense issues instructions on how to wear the uniform correctly! Bravo! If the soldiers froze, it means they were to blame!
  20. cattle
    0
    1 November 2011 20: 41
    Enti is touched by recommendations ... pick one by size ... neither big nor big ... kindergarten directly, you will wear what is in the warehouse and what will be given after the bath !!!!!
    1. +1
      1 November 2011 21: 58
      Precisely noticed, in the army only 2 size, very large and very small, no third.
  21. MichaelVl
    +1
    1 November 2011 21: 36
    This is not the first comment I see about the winter kit - they criticize that it is green. I do not remember that when it was a different color. In my opinion, it was never white (or what commentators hint at there? ..) But I'm not a military man, I could be wrong. If there are people who know the history of the form, tell me, was there a winter form that was not green?
    1. ESCANDER
      0
      1 November 2011 21: 39
      MichaelVl
      And now it is - mountain camouflage (white-blue-gray).
      Prancing in such a greenery is considered to be a special chic.
      1. MichaelVl
        +1
        1 November 2011 22: 11
        ESCANDER,
        and if this is a mountain (as I understand it, also winter) camouflage, why show off, prancing among the "greenery"? :) To show off is to substitute? :) Well, by the way, since there is such camouflage, what then do the critics dislike?
        1. ESCANDER
          +1
          2 November 2011 06: 21
          That mountain is for the mountains.
          But why bother - I don’t know, ask those who prank.
    2. 0
      2 November 2011 11: 09
      yes of course - once the winter form and the summer one was colorful and bright - during the Napoleonic wars! (NEVER ANYTHING winter form is not green)
  22. +4
    1 November 2011 22: 42
    The only plus of the new form is that it is erased by the household. soap can.
    The special forces tested ... Sewed professionals ... Interviewed the military ... I have a feeling that someone cut down the dough.
    Regarding the survey of conscripts, so I was glad about the term and the new warm and wide enough footcloths as a holiday.
    1. 0
      2 November 2011 18: 54
      Alexey is not quite a "+" and not only a number - a cam of the American marines [center] [img] http://formanato.in.ua/files.php?file=upload/images/acu_1.jpg [/ img]
      [/ cent also needs to be washed with special tools, or our laundry soap will work, otherwise the paint is washed out, and quite noticeably, so this is demanding and not simple
  23. +4
    2 November 2011 13: 40
    Quote: "Investigators also noticed that the uniform is not quite suitable for everyday wear - the" digital "collects moisture and is reluctant to release it." Then the question is: what the hell is this form ??? We do not have deserts, where there is no moisture, and Russian spring and autumn and summer are very rainy !!! Even look at the chronicle of the WAR and you can see how the soldiers had to fight in the rain and sleet. So a form that does not repel water, but absorbs water is HARMFUL! especially since dryers can be in the barracks, but not in a trench or dugout (dugout)
  24. -1
    2 November 2011 21: 44
    But our team is not steamed and takes Flectarn. IMHO the best camouflage for the Russian forest in any weather from early spring to late autumn.
  25. Gur
    0
    3 November 2011 09: 20
    .. who the thread paid attention ?? That winter equipment includes .. underwear, on top of it you should wear thermal underwear, then a daily uniform, then a lining .. then only a winter uniform ...
    piss ... but how can I piss I'm sorry .. not to mention the other .. The phrase "" digit "collects moisture and reluctantly releases it." and soldiers with pneumonia .. suggests that the poor simply did not have time to get a pipisku out of all this. When I served .. we had warm underwear, PSh .. for field trips .. pea jacket, wadded pants, felt boots ... chenel boots for everyday life, and it seemed like everything was fine .... there was a tree or some kind of cabbage ....
  26. arkhip2020
    0
    6 November 2011 00: 13
    Half of what is described here is simply not given out. Verified by yourself
  27. +1
    8 November 2011 19: 56
    I am reading this article and the light is not perplexing ... so many polymers in one form or another. An article was published on the website by a representative of the Izhevsk plant explaining why tarpaulin is used in equipment ... it does not melt when it comes into contact with a hot barrel. What is bad about plastic ... there was an everyday incident, a relative was caught in a gas flare ... the doctors said it would be clean x / b, in fact, he would get off only with a fright, but he wore a polyester shirt ... they took off his skin. The presence of a zipper lock, the same is not practical, everything is fine so far dry and clean ... and crawl a soldier with a bare belly. The most interesting thing is that you do not need to think up strongly, take as a basis clothing for working at low temperatures for builders and oil workers ... everything has already been invented for you.
  28. 0
    9 November 2011 03: 28
    This is my opinion. Indeed, green is more suitable for summer. For the rest of the year, the color is undoubtedly gray. But, in general, it is possible to divide the territory of the country into zones according to such factors as location, the predominance of the color spectrum of flora in the season. other. and sew a shape a little different in color for different parts of the country. But since, in theory, troops can be redeployed to other areas, the difference should not be striking. More gray is needed.
    I remind you - this is just my opinion.
  29. iulai
    +2
    9 November 2011 18: 07
    Yudashkin is a personal stylist of Medvedev, so she lobbied him in front of her husband. how can you trust a military uniform to a man who sewed women's panties all his life ???
  30. val
    val
    -1
    25 November 2011 16: 11
    Surpat from the Survival Corps + 100500 is better not to come up with!
  31. dred
    -1
    15 December 2011 12: 37
    The form is good, the main thing is not to be cold in winter.
  32. Conquistador
    0
    19 December 2011 00: 32
    And where were the epaulets removed?
  33. zmey
    0
    24 December 2011 22: 32
    1. I do not understand why the heck to give out the "figure" to all military personnel ????
    "Number" is that casual, not field uniform ???? We have half of the army go to the shooting range, three rounds each, once a year they have the "Number" for the hell ???
    2. In the Red Army until 1943 (shoulder straps were introduced to boost morale) and in the Waffen-SS insignia were on the cuffs of the collar. Wear anything on top! at least maskhalat (including white) at least a bronik with anther !!!!
    3. In everyday wear, a small number is erased and it turns out one spot of an incomprehensible color visible on any background!
    This "figure" is good (coloring) in an ambush in a bush or ajin with 1-2m for a very long time it is necessary to look closely (this is with 100% certainty that someone is there). I personally walked from a person at a distance of 0,5 m and did not see it, I saw the code was sent for unmasking the position.
    A person moving through the forest at a distance of more than 20 m is read as a black "pixel" and is very noticeable!
    4. to correct the coloring, it is necessary to increase the "points" by 1,5-2 times, add sand and light brown. there is such a color.
    About zoning. In the USSR in the years 38-40, various schemes for painting and camouflaging various equipment and uniforms of military personnel were tested and adopted (recommendations were given). More details in the book "Camouflage of Red Army Tanks 1930-1945" Maxim Kolomiets, Ilya Moschanskiy series "Exprint: Armored Fund"
  34. puffnutiy
    0
    28 December 2011 21: 40
    I don’t understand why use muffin at all? Why not take the balaclava from the same Germans?
  35. Conquistador
    -1
    1 January 2012 17: 09
    Come on, these Germans! We Russians should not imitate anyone! Our form must be different from others and be the best !!!!!! And the Germans only know how to shoot porn! wink
  36. Day
    Day
    0
    2 January 2012 14: 58
    Received in December a kit ..... the quality of course *** words can not be picked up. After the first wash, it became lighter ... the threads climb and climb. And it would be better if they left epaulettes in the old place - you won’t understand who is walking in front of you, but if God forbid a real fight ...
    A pea jacket is very cold, if it is very cold you have to wear an old one. In military agencies, by the way, the form for some reason is significantly better than the one that is given to us. It would be better if they left the old form, better and warmer, and did not mow under the pendosov (something tells me that this is a rough cut), and if all the amunyaga is thrown by a spilled NATO member ...
  37. alex1954
    -1
    11 January 2012 23: 08
    wink This whole form is bullshit. Everything has been worn and tested for a long time. Nowhere to get the money? The best is the Afghan woman. Another thing is the equipment vest, unloading, helmet, communication equipment, etc. Podshtaniki is not the main thing. The rest is cut money MO.
  38. solvent
    +1
    12 February 2012 02: 51
    Quote: puffnutiy
    I don’t understand why use muffin at all? Why not take the balaclava from the same Germans?

    Balaklava (the one that is worn on the head) was "invented" by the British during the first defense of Sevastopol. The name of the headdress comes from the name of the city of Balaklava (now it is the region of Sevastopol).
  39. Mopnex133
    0
    22 February 2012 22: 55
    Much depends on the company that sewed this form. I bought a summer set of figures in 2010 ("melange of Altai"), I still wear it. The truth faded a little, and changed the shoulder straps to the shoulders. At the beginning of 2011, I received another, completely different quality, torn in places, faded. I wear this wear without shoulder straps at all. Who needs it, knows my title, and who does not need it, that doesn’t need it)))) However, I am dissatisfied with the form. The color scheme is unsuccessful (why the black color was added is unclear). The cut is also not happy. It is much better and more pleasant to wear the old uniform, not the "flora", but even older, the so-called "birch" or "butane" (aka "oak"), or even the good old "Afghan woman".
  40. dark silver
    0
    3 March 2012 11: 14
    I’ve been wearing this figure for 2 months already * I’m undergoing military service * and I can say straightforwardly rare ..... am
  41. Knox
    0
    26 December 2012 00: 03
    This figure is not so bad, doesn’t it? Well so it is necessary to think Well! thermal underwear doesn’t warm you if you just sit in it! maximum gestures, more brains, so as not to sit and sleep, pressing your back where the thread is in the warehouse, then you’ll definitely froze and freeze all the insides!