The price of betrayal or incompetence

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The development of events in Ukraine and the constant demands of the leadership of this country to compensate them for any costs and expenses on various items, necessitated to share with you, dear readers of the Military Review, the true state of affairs in this area (in my estimation).

Since 1964, I, by the nature of my work, had to constantly work with enterprises and military units that were stationed in our country, abroad and in Ukraine. After defending my Ph.D. thesis, I was appointed head of a research laboratory at SRI-33 (at present, it is VNIIRA JSC). My first business trip to Kiev was connected with the introduction of the SOD-57 secondary radar transponders and ORD antenna systems into the production of the Kommunist software. I, still a young man, flew to Kiev, settled in a factory hotel and went to get acquainted with the city. In the evening I decided to go along the Dnieper on a small motor ship in order to see the city from the side of the river. The ship set sail, and the guide began to lead his story in Russian. Why I did not understand in Russian, and not on “Move”. The majority of Ukrainians were on the ship, and it would have been necessary to lead the story precisely on the “move”. And here the guide began to tell us that the city of Kiev is the only city in the world where residential buildings are being built, including on alluvial lands (he meant the alluvial part of the island in the city). Kiev is the capital of the Ukrainian state, here in theaters performances are staged on the works of both domestic and foreign writers: Pushkin, Dostoevsky, Lermontov, Tolstoy, Chekhov, Ostrovsky. The theaters often feature works by foreign composers: Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky, Rachmaninov, Glazunov, Rimsky-Korsakov. At the end of the tour, he showed the passengers to the Kiev Aurora - this is a boat that was put on the coastal pedestal of the Dnieper. After the ship has moored, I went to the guide and explained to him history housing construction on alluvial lands. He wondered why our writers and composers suddenly became foreign. The guide looked at me in surprise and said: “This is what is written in my text. I'm just reading. And what's wrong? ”I turned and went down the ladder. The evening was ruined.

14 years after the beginning of my work at the NII-33 as the Chief Designer of many types of military and military equipment (adopted for service) and the Deputy Head of this NII, by decision of the Government of the country, I was transferred to work for Moscow as one of the leaders of the Main Directorate of the USSR Ministry of Radio Industry. In our country, during this period, the military-industrial complex included nine ministries: defense industry; engineering; general engineering; secondary engineering; shipbuilding industry; radio industry; electronic industry; communications industry; aviation industry. The following enterprises were under the jurisdiction of my and two other State Institutes of the Ministry of Radio Industry of the USSR in Ukraine. In Kiev: Production Association “Communist” (Larkov G.I. is currently the Radar plant), the Radio Meter plant (A. Fedorov) and the NII-33 branch (V. Cherinko).


The enterprises specialized in the production of airborne radars, secondary radar equipment, radio navigation equipment, instrumental landing systems, air-to-air missile heads, microelectronic-based elements, including integrated circuits, processors. The total production area of ​​enterprises exceeded 280 thousand square meters, the number of faculty members was more than 22 thousand specialists. To establish and launch enterprises for production facilities, construction of buildings, equipment supply and training of specialists, the USSR Ministry of Radio and Industry had to connect enterprises in the cities of the Russian Federation to provide assistance.

In Khmelnitsky there are Neva plants (AA Radkevich) and Novator plants (A. Kuroschenov). The enterprises specialized in the production of equipment for Radio-technical systems for long-range radio navigation, onboard equipment for ship-based aircraft, radars, equipment for command and control centers for airfields and airports, blocks for televisions, tape recorders, electrophones and radio receivers.

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More than 19 thousand specialists worked at these enterprises of the city of Khmelnitsky. The total area of ​​enterprises exceeded 250 thousand square meters. Here, as well as in Kyiv enterprises, the construction and equipment of the Neva and Novator factories were carried out by other stably operating economic entities of the USSR State Ministry of Radio Industry located in the Russian Federation.

In Zaporozhye, the Radiopribor plant (Zhitnik V.I.) of the USSR Ministry of Radio Industry was established and successfully operated. More than 11 thousand specialists worked at the plant. The production area of ​​the plant was about 120 thousand square meters. m. Similarly to other enterprises, this plant was built, equipped by enterprises of the USSR Ministry of Radio Industry, successfully operating on the territory of the Russian Federation. Personnel for the plant were also trained at Russian enterprises. The products of the plant are elements of guided missile systems, launchers, launch pads for the USSR Ministry of Defense. Systems for the HAP were supplied to the civilian sector of the national economy.


In Dnepropetrovsk, the Mashinostroitelny Zavod (Stromtsov L.N.) of the USSR Ministry of Radio Industry was established. At this enterprise, as well as in Zaporizhia, about 12 thousand specialists worked. The production area was also about 120 thousand square meters. The production of the plant in the military hardware part was similar to the Zaporozhye enterprise. According to civil products, the plant produced music centers.

In Lviv, the USSR Ministry of Radio Industry was in charge of two enterprises: the Plant “Measuring Instruments” (Yavich A.A.) and the NPO Karat named after V.I. Lenin (Kutsenko G.P., in the middle of the 80-s was replaced by Kapusyak S.P.). Both enterprises were engaged in the development of millimeter-wave waves for the products of armored vehicles, the manufacture of products of anti-aircraft systems, as well as a wide range of consumer goods. The total area of ​​enterprises exceeded 250 thousand square meters. The number of working specialists was at the level of 19 thousand people.

Chervonograd Radio Engineering Plant (Punko P.E.) ensured the release of measuring instruments as well as consumer goods for the needs of residents of the Lviv region. The production area of ​​the enterprise was 80 thousand square meters. m., the number of working professionals was at the level of 3 thousand people. The plant was specially created to provide employment for the population of the Lviv region.

In Nikolaev, the USSR Ministry of Radio Industry was in charge of two enterprises: Instrument-Making Plant (Bogachev V.P.) and Radio Equipment Plant (Bryukhanov N.G.). The production area of ​​these two enterprises was 240 thousand square meters. m, the number of working specialists did not exceed 18 thousand people. The products of enterprises are radio-technical ship complexes, automated control systems and consumer goods. Like the above-mentioned enterprises, these plants were built and equipped with equipment at the expense of enterprises of the USSR Ministry of Radio Industry operating in the territory of the Russian Federation.


In Odessa, the USSR Ministry of Radio Industry was run by the Storm Research Institute (V. Chirkov), whose task was to carry out research in the field of assessing the thermal conditions of equipment and systems, and bring the results to all enterprises of the ministry. The institute had a production area of ​​about 20 thousand square meters. m. In the Institute worked about 1 thousand specialists.

Thus, in Ukraine at the 12 enterprises of the USSR Ministry of Radio Industry, which had production facilities of 1420 thousand square meters. more than 105 thousands of specialists worked. The defense enterprises of the country were led by the Defense Department of the Central Committee of the CPSU. This is in addition to the Main Administrations of the Ministries, the Ministries themselves, the “Military Industrial Commission” and the Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee. In the 80s, the Defense Department of the Central Committee of the CPSU was headed by Major General I. D. Serbin and O.S. Belyakov. In the Defense Department of the CPSU Central Committee, the head of the sector G.V. Savasteev.

I.D. took me to work at the USSR Ministry of Radioproms at the end of the 70s. Serbin. The conversation was long, although I personally was already familiar with Igor Dmitrievich. I had to meet with him at meetings of the MIC. As Chief Designer, several times I had to give reports on new types of military hardware that were asked for development at SRI-33. During the conversation, the head of the department was interested in my personal position on the development of state-owned enterprises, knowledge of specialists at these enterprises, their qualifications, my relations with customers, the level of development of domestic systems, enterprises compared with foreign ones, etc. This is how we were selected for work in the Government.

Later it became known to me how highly the military experts of the United States commended those systems that were created with my participation. This happened when the MiG-25P came to them as a result of the haul, and the MiG-25Р and MiG-25РБ performed special missions in Egypt in 1972-1973. MiG-31P demonstrated its superiority in communication channels during tests at the Balkhash test site. This comparison was reflected by US experts even in the open press - Washington report. March. 1979.13.

The cost of commissioning 10 thousand square meters. m of production space is about 25 million dollars. USA by expert estimates. Thus, the introduction in Ukraine 1420 thousand square meters. m. of production space at 12 enterprises cost the USSR Ministry of Radioprom 35 500 million dollars. USA. This is without taking into account the equipment and the cost of training specialists (the cost of equipment will increase this figure by at least an order of magnitude). If this value is further increased, at least 9 times, by the number of defense ministries in the country, then we end up with the cost of betrayal or incompetence of those statesmen who brought Ukraine out of the country, retaining the defense enterprises there. Here is the approximate price of the slogan: “Take as much sovereignty as you can ...”.

Apparently right was I.V. Stalin, when he said: "Nationalism is a terrible phenomenon and it must be kept in the iron rein." Russia has always been famous for traitors of all stripes. Some handed over to the enemy military units, including the army, others tried to stab in the back to those who defended the independence of the state, strengthened enterprises, developed the regions, others for the money or convictions gave the enemy secret information that is not subject to wide publicity, etc. There is also a form of betrayal, which consists in the fact that a number of scientists are preparing programs for economic development and the reform of industries. But they do it in such a way that putting them into practice will lead to the collapse of the economy, the army, education, regions, cities and the state as a whole. In our country, the chosen path of reform led to the elimination of the estimated, already in print, 20% of previously created business entities. And how much was ruined by the introduction of these programs of people's lives? These programs, of course, can be attributed to the incompetence of their initiators and authors. But these authors are still alive at the present time and have not suffered any punishment for their deed of betrayal.

Most recently, the Minister of Economic Development and Trade of Ukraine, Aivaras Abromavicius, said that out of 1478 enterprises in Ukraine, only 551 will not be privatized (state-owned). The rest will be privatized by US companies and individuals. It was impossible for those who developed the 500 or 400 days programs for the development of the economy to develop to the Government of our country. And at the same time, according to their programs, a shortage of products was introduced in our country to increase the growth of public discontent with the existing way of life in order to accelerate the implementation of the proposed incompetent reforms. The traitors in this company should also include those who, in the basic law of the country (at the direction of the United States), prescribed the predominant role of international law over the laws of our state. Try, dear readers, to find among developed countries those in which ministers, including foreign affairs, governors and state-level officials, leave for unfriendly countries after retirement for permanent residence? Such countries you will not find. And we have this accepted norm.

As you know, all the documentation on military hardware that was at the enterprises of Ukraine and belonged at one time to the USSR Ministry of Radio Industry was transferred to research in the United States. This also applies to other defense ministries of the former USSR. This is another article to assess the value of betrayal. For clarification, it can be stated that now military experts from the United States and NATO are aware of the cost of military hardware, the types of which were produced in the defense enterprises of Ukraine. They also became aware of all the technological processes for the manufacture of these military hardware, the established cooperation, personal data about specialists, etc.

When creating and developing the Radio Meter plant, I was constantly called upon to transfer the requesters and responders of the State Identification System Password and the airborne equipment of the command radio control lines to manufacture. But for some reason I found reasons to connect only enterprises located in the territory of the Russian Federation for this work. The Defense Department of the Central Committee of the CPSU (OS Beliakov and G.V. Savasteyev) helped me with this. And how I was right! In a short time it was necessary to make tens of thousands of interrogators and defendants for the army. Therefore, dozens of enterprises were connected for their manufacture and warranty service, but only on the territory of the Russian Federation and one plant in Belarus. The responsibility was high so that once together with the General Designer of this system we had to report to the Minister of Defense of the country DF Ustinov on the implementation of this system in all forms of the Armed Forces of the country. Simultaneously with the introduction of the Password system in 1981, by the decision of the Government of the country, large-scale military exercises were held in which 3 military districts were involved: the Black Sea Navy and two air armies.


According to the decision of the Government of the country and the order of the Minister of Defense of the country, Marshal E.Ya. Savitsky, and I was appointed from industry to coordinate the activities of all enterprises. Exercises were conducted on the order of 3 months. The headquarters of the Odessa Military District (Colonel-General I.M. Voloshin) was the center of command of the exercises. The marshal was in the headquarters, and we were there with I.Sh. Mostiukov. The motor transport given to me for the operational work of the specialists of the enterprises was located at the Scientific Research Institute "Storm", the AN-26 aircraft was located at the aerodrome. During the tests, I very thoroughly became acquainted with certain regions of Ukraine, Odessa, and the director of the Storm Research Institute. Every day, the headquarters summed up the results of the tests, outlined additional measures, and evaluated the actions of the units. Marshal E.Ya. Savitsky, a man stern and demanding, to us with I.Sh. Mostiukov. Respected. Apparently he felt our attitude to business and professionalism. He even shared with me his invention of eliminating enemy balloons and checking for the absence of mines at airfields that the Red Army seized from the fascists during the offensive. Sometimes he invited me to go with him to the Odessa Opera House. Then our conversations concerned civil topics and his stories about combat operations. For the creation of the State Password Identification System Marshal NL. Savitsky was awarded the Lenin Prize.

I contacted the leaders of the former enterprises in Ukraine subordinate to the USSR Ministry of Radio. These enterprises no longer produce the products for which they were created and developed. The number of specialists on them has decreased many times. The remaining specialists are engaged in the manufacture of drying cabinets for vegetables and fruits, fasteners, insulators, power shields, etc. Business executives understand that in the fall of this year they will already have a new owner - the United States. What will require to produce this owner in these enterprises, where equipment, personnel, technology, I think, is already known - for example, shale gas. So, after the Great Patriotic War, our parents restored the national economy. We got a share of developing and strengthening the national economy of the country, and the children of our peers living in Ukraine bury the enterprises seized from the USSR. The time of FARS has come.
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  1. +34
    13 August 2015 05: 59
    And this is only one of the "small fragments" reflecting the tragedy that befell us and our countries, which once constituted a single whole.
    1. +25
      13 August 2015 10: 40
      When something hurts in the body, some doctors simply prescribe an anesthetic, but they don’t cure the disease itself, I don’t know, laziness, they can’t make a diagnosis or elementary dullness. So here are the principles of leadership of these same bear butlers, etc. remind me of these same doctors - they give painkillers so they don’t hurt, but they don’t know how to treat them so they don’t hurt on their own. Last year, after a flood in the Far East, I listened to this Nedimon, there was a problem in the lack of building materials, so this ... l incurred some nonsense about the creation of insurance funds, for accumulation and proper redistribution of funds. After that, he, as a leader, died for me forever.
      1. -3
        15 August 2015 08: 36
        Quote: Max Otto
        Last year, after a flood in the Far East, I listened to this Nedimon, there was a problem in the lack of building materials, so this ... l incurred some nonsense about the creation of insurance funds, for accumulation and proper redistribution of funds. After that, he, as a leader, died for me forever.

        Interestingly, and Putin, as a leader, as for you? He, too, constantly carries nonsense and constantly promises to promise.
      2. -1
        15 August 2015 19: 55
        Quote: Max Otto
        proper reallocation of funds

        The absurdity of the current government! Like, we CORRECTLY and EFFECTIVELY distributed the funds ... - only ..., something went wrong ... It is necessary to redistribute THESE means, and THESE, and THESE !!! So (maybe) it will be better ... Well, and if we do not guess again, redistribute again ...
        Damn, some kind of quiz "GUESS the melody" - "you can steal a million" ...
      3. 0
        15 August 2015 23: 19
        ... the reason is always simple: the pie must be baked by the pastry chef, and the lawyer must fulfill the gakons, and not control the country's economy ...
    2. +15
      14 August 2015 07: 14
      To EBN in a coffin turned over.
      1. -3
        15 August 2015 08: 36
        Quote: LeftPers
        To EBN in a coffin turned over.

        Well, yes. However, in power since 2000 it is no longer EBN. And uh?
        1. 0
          15 August 2015 18: 04
          And, you certainly need to "touch" us to the quick. Torment to hurt!
        2. +2
          15 August 2015 20: 10
          I have always said that conspirators against Putin and Russia on the site certainly have the rank of generals and marshals. Russia has always been brought under the monastery by betrayal, meanness, greed and cowardice of some of its citizens.
        3. 0
          16 August 2015 01: 58
          Yes, that's just until 2010 with EBNovsky legacy understood.
  2. +45
    13 August 2015 05: 59
    From the scale of betrayal, frostiness on my skin, especially from the words of such an authoritative and competent person .. I have recently felt bad that I already saw all this only in the late 80s, as it doesn’t matter the situation all these butlers, Medvedevs, etc. hatred is akin to class hatred ... maybe Americans are irradiating from space .. (joke).
    1. +21
      13 August 2015 07: 29
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      I have recently had a bad feeling that I already saw all this only in the late 80s, as it doesn’t matter

      Believe me, you are not alone in this feeling ... I think half of the country (at least) will support you. I remembered the words from Talkov's song (although I dislike his work because of admiration for Yeltsin. But then many people were misled ...) - "And around, like a parade, the whole country is marching into hell with a broad gait ..." request
      1. 0
        15 August 2015 08: 38
        Quote: Dr. Livesey
        "And around, like a parade, the whole country is striding into hell with a broad gait ..."

        Is something changed now?
        1. 0
          15 August 2015 10: 21
          "And around, like a parade, the whole country is striding into hell with a broad gait ..."


          Is something changed now?


          There is a suspicion that the authorities are driving in circles, and the "truth-tellers" are trying to instruct and lead to a more direct path, and even urge them on. am
    2. +23
      13 August 2015 07: 56
      afdjhbn67
      From the scale of betrayal, frost on the skin,

      These are the "berries" of the sowing of the 90s. the pro-Western liberal leadership of Russia ... when, in order to satisfy their uncontrollable power ambitions and the desire to legalize the wealth accumulated by unjust labor, they went to any betrayal and ... oddly enough ... our newly-minted YOUNG women ... considered it a virtue!
      Unfortunately ... there are many more in the corridors of power ...
      1. +4
        14 August 2015 22: 12
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        From the scale of betrayal, frost on the skin,
        Remember the industry of Ukraine drinks And forget about her. Enumerate enemies and traitors is not grateful. Russia is reborn and, unlike Ukraine, it has maintained its independence. Twenty years later, in Ukraine, few people will distinguish a microcircuit from a moonshine. They made their choice. hi
        1. -1
          15 August 2015 08: 40
          Quote: fif21
          Russia is reborn

          Good joke. And the ruble is an indicator of rebirth.
        2. +2
          15 August 2015 14: 55
          I do not agree! They distinguish moonshine from anything, even with their eyes closed.
      2. +1
        15 August 2015 08: 39
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        These are the "berries" of sowing in the 90s. the pro-Western liberal leadership of Russia ... when, in order to satisfy their uncontrollable power ambitions and the desire to legalize the wealth accumulated by unjust labor, they went for any betrayal

        Is something changed now?

        Quote: KazaK Bo
        Unfortunately ... there are many more in the corridors of power ...

        And where, interestingly, does the guarantor look? Ah, well, not the 37th.
    3. +12
      13 August 2015 09: 16
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      From the scale of betrayal, frostiness on my skin, especially from the words of such an authoritative and competent person .. I have recently felt bad that I already saw all this only in the late 80s, as it doesn’t matter the situation all these butlers, Medvedevs, etc. hatred


      Apparently, the top leaders in the KGB were traitors (they say to Andropov, honest operatives who sounded the alarm brought different materials and instructions for destabilizing the situation and the collapse of the USSR seized from scoundrels and foreign citizens importing this literature, but it went under the cloth) and the CPSU Central Committee, and even in the Politburo (Glavideolog Yakovlev distinguished himself here)
      1. +2
        13 August 2015 10: 06
        Well, yes, it is believed that Gorbachev made contact with the CIA, relatively speaking, in 78-79 and it was an employee of the US Federal Reserve .. (conspiracy thesis?)
      2. +7
        13 August 2015 12: 53
        Maybe there were traitors, but keep in mind that the KGB, as well as the Ministry of Internal Affairs, were directly subordinate to the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee. You can bring the corresponding materials from these offices to the General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee table, but it was there that the final decision was made on the degree of response to these materials. As subsequent events showed, the traitors were precisely in the Central Committee.
        1. +6
          13 August 2015 13: 32
          The presentation of the medal to Bush Sr. Gorbachev confirms this version ... (indirectly), but his actions directly prove ..
      3. +3
        15 August 2015 09: 10
        Hello secret forum member!

        I personally distrust the secret forum participants, since the absence of a name, not to mention a surname, says a lot about the very position of such a forum member.

        In this case, I agree with you regarding the STRANGE (criminal) inaction of the upper levels of the KGB during the years of Perestroika, which prepared the collapse of the USSR.

        Regarding the direct participation or, more precisely, the leadership of the disintegration of the SVD (the countries of the Warsaw Pact) and the USSR, the very "rotten top of the KGB", there are such materials in the West, more precisely in the former Czechoslovakia.

        Last year I myself tried some of these very logical and accessible materials and analyzes of the collapse of socialist countries and the USSR, after their translation into Russian, to post here on VO, but my articles turned out to be "unpublished".

        It is possible that
        - my level of literary Russian was insufficient,
        - or the content of these articles was TOO HOT,
        to publish about the events of 70-80-90s ?!

        I don't know, but if the VO administration wants to post something from the many analytical articles from the Czech Republic from the 90s and 2000s of one already deceased dissident (who was persecuted in the socialist CSFR and was also persecuted and was under the supervision of secret services in the "new democratic "Czechoslovakia and the Czech Republic),
        then I’m ready to send my old articles in Russian for placement and translate from Czech and Slovak into Russian, other materials,
        clearly showing that the so-called. The "Velvet Revolution" in November 1989 in Czechoslovakia took place with the participation of the KGB and the STB ("Staff Security", the Czechoslovak secret service,
        like all other coups in the socialist countries of 1989,
        where, as a matter of fact, the scenario of the "Collapse of the USSR", executed in 1991, was tested).

        These events are already 25-40 years apart from us, but history loves to repeat itself, so I think that it is useful for patriots of the USSR and Russia to know its real events, and not retouched reports from TV and Radio, and now the Internet about how "Self-destruction of the socialist bloc in 1989." and "SELF-SLIPPING of the USSR in 1991"!

        In my personal opinion, this is necessary, since this scenario for 89 and 91 years can be REPEATED in front of our nose now in the 2010-2020s, and instead of "STRONG UNION-2", we will get a lot of independent micro-states on the territory of the CIS ( EAEU) "under the strict guidance" of Western and "other special services."

        Michael, Smolensk.
  3. +3
    13 August 2015 06: 12
    What we have - do not store. And only after losing we begin to appreciate.
    1. 0
      13 August 2015 06: 25
      propose something else to lose ?? Well, to appreciate ..
  4. +16
    13 August 2015 06: 25
    Yeah. The scale of betrayal is huge, there is nothing to say. Now it is time to rebuild and there is nowhere to go or surrender to enemies or fight and create in order to continue to be a free and independent power. Hard times. Russia will not give up - this is clear, then we will build and revive.
    1. +14
      13 August 2015 09: 08
      I don't understand why it was necessary to transfer production from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR? For example, KB "Antonov" was moved. What for? Why was the production of missiles moved to Ukraine? Military rocketry did not begin in Ukraine. All this was due to the fact that the true Leninists threw all their forces into the development of the national outskirts. In the USSR, most of the industry and infrastructure was done at the expense of the RSFSR, everything to raise the national outskirts. All this created illusions among the national people about the greatness of these republics and the stupidity and worthlessness of the Russian (Tatar, Bashkir ...) people. I lived, studied and served in Ukraine, already then I saw with what sense of superiority Ukrainians looked at Russians. For the natives of the Western and Central part of Ukraine, Russians were idlers, drunks and simply not capable of anything. And the distribution of Comrade. Communists of the Russian lands, together with the people of the Union republics, gave rise to the illusion of greatness in the national republics. The fact that the lands on which 70% of Ukraine, for example, are now, are watered with the blood of Russians, Bashkirs, Tatars, Don Cossacks .., this has long been forgotten. And everything that is received for free, as ruled, is not appreciated. There was no betrayal, well, he could not be a traitor, for example, Comrade. Lenin? Or Khrushchev, or Brezhnev, or Gorbachev.
      1. +2
        13 August 2015 10: 49
        Khrushchev and Brezhnev come from the Ukraine, from here all legs grow .. and Crimea and rocket science in Dnepropetrovsk and partially recruited inertia .. but the rogues didn’t appreciate anything and rightly so
        1. +1
          15 August 2015 08: 42
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          but rogues did not appreciate anything and rightly so

          Most of all I will do to us.
          1. 0
            15 August 2015 13: 52
            Well, yes, rather +
      2. +11
        13 August 2015 12: 05
        Quote: captain
        There wasn’t any betrayal, but he couldn’t be a traitor, for example, Comrade. Lenin? Or Khrushchev, or Brezhnev, or Gorbachev.



        I do not agree !!!

        If in relation to the former, especially Khrushchev, one can also say about incompetence and shortsightedness, then Gorbachev is a real traitor, and up to now he believes in the correctness of what he did ...

        And science, and industry, and the army began to be undermined precisely during his reign ...
        1. +1
          13 August 2015 13: 38
          and the Americans do not even legends about it too much, the desire to boast before the electors is too great - "the Moor did his job" and a number of figures behind Gorbachev's back are not so public .. against their background Penkovsky, an unfinished mischief .. am
        2. +4
          14 August 2015 07: 16
          And as proof of your words, his permanent residence is Germany.
      3. +2
        15 August 2015 11: 46
        What you wrote is a key mistake of the USSR .. We improved the outskirts to the detriment of the metropolis .. Everything that was done in the union republics was all done at the expense of the RSFSR! And the current state of affairs perfectly confirms this! Tell me, which of the former republics blossomed after the collapse of the union? That there are none? And who lives the richest and develops at a fast pace? That's right Russia! And this is in spite of the fact that the debts collected by the rulers from Nicholas to the EBN, the need to develop the army, science, space and much more, hung on our country. How much was spent there on defense and science in the "countries" of the former USSR? By and large, they did not have these costs, BUT anyway they slipped into complete poverty and collapse, and if it were not for the labor / goods market, then everything would be completely sad THERE, that is, Russia, as in the USSR \ RSFSR, continues to maintain and feed these state \ education. Is it profitable for us? I'm not sure our country can perfectly do without all these "assistants", but here it is in the selfish interests of our "rulers" only they are interested in crowds of low-paid slaves and "gesheft" supplies of various goods to the detriment of their own production and population.
        1. 0
          15 August 2015 13: 55
          Yes, now even more dangerous problems are the withdrawal of capital abroad, simply theft, while at least somehow the money earned in the country often worked for the country now working against us ..
  5. +12
    13 August 2015 06: 32
    ... Here and without an external enemy
    They will destroy their forever
    If it’s impossible to calm it down
    The country is not long to lose
    They say it's over
    And where is that organ, finally? ...
    1. +4
      13 August 2015 07: 52
      Quote: candidate
      And where is that organ, finally?

      In shorts, probably.
      1. +1
        13 August 2015 08: 30
        you are a lieutenant laughing
  6. +7
    13 August 2015 06: 35
    FARS continues ... instead of politics - one SHOW
  7. +6
    13 August 2015 06: 45
    The article is certainly informative, but we already know very well that the main thing in those years was to overwhelm the Union. It was all, it has passed, it is not. We need to look ahead and build a new one, our own.
    1. +7
      13 August 2015 07: 36
      Quote: Zomanus
      The article is certainly informative, but we already know very well that the main thing in those years was to overwhelm the Union. It was all, it has passed, it is not. We need to look ahead and build a new one, our own.

      Then the Union, now Russia ... "The one who does not remember his past is doomed to live it again." It is necessary not only to build something new, but also what remains to be preserved and increased. But so far everything is sad with us.
  8. +8
    13 August 2015 06: 50
    They sold Ukraine in parts and in bulk - this is no longer news. Traitors on the ground and in government are also not new. The collapse of the economy to please a foreign uncle is not news. Everything is correct, instead of real actions, a continuous farce and the transfer of arrows to an imaginary enemy who is to blame for everything.
    1. 0
      15 August 2015 08: 47
      Quote: rotmistr60
      They sold Ukraine in parts and in bulk - this is no longer news. Traitors on the ground and in government are also not new. The collapse of the economy to please a foreign uncle is not news. Everything is correct, instead of real actions, a continuous farce and the transfer of arrows to an imaginary enemy who is to blame for everything.

      Put "Russia" instead of "Ukraine", the rest of the words do not need to be changed.
  9. +9
    13 August 2015 06: 51
    if we recall our privatization, this is where the legalized robbery of the country began.
    1. 0
      15 August 2015 08: 53
      Quote: sv68
      if we recall our privatization, this is where the legalized robbery of the country began.

      Exactly. And then everything is poked on other fingers. They would look at themselves.
  10. +14
    13 August 2015 07: 07
    One can judge the article in different ways, but we cannot but give credit for the fact that the author is right in one thing: we were simply taken and betrayed first by Gorbachev and Co., and then "Yeltsin's Komarilla" almost destroyed Russia! But I would like to hear about specific people who destroyed everything that our fathers and grandfathers created! And it's time to start "repaying" for the perfect betrayal, so that other scoundrels would not be accustomed to do such "black deeds"!
    1. +5
      13 August 2015 07: 18
      you see, while the successors of their case in power are not possible, unfortunately .. therefore we continue to see the blackening and silence of Stalin (anti-Stalinists atu ..) and monuments to Yeltsin .. and in the near future Gorbachev (the hand does not rise from the capital letter to write them ..) hi
      1. +4
        13 August 2015 07: 55
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        bark prospect Gorbachev (hand does not rise with a capital letter to write them.

        So write "humped" or "tagged"!
        1. 0
          13 August 2015 08: 33
          I would like to flirt that education does not allow .. do not believe laughing
    2. +7
      13 August 2015 07: 54
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      And it's time to start "repaying" for the perfect betrayal, so that other scoundrels would not be accustomed to do such "black deeds"!

      Kvachkov tried it. Didn't he know that "chubys" is untouchable?
  11. -9
    13 August 2015 07: 08
    What is done is done. What now to regret and remember?
    1. +15
      13 August 2015 08: 01
      "What now to regret and remember?"
      We must remember and draw conclusions, it is better late than never.
      1) 105000 working at the enterprises of one department-105 thousand families, and taking into account the elapsed time and the generations that grew, several times more, there were also other serious enterprises, i.e. these are dozens of mil. of our pro-Russian people who need to be supported. And decisions in Ukraine are made on the basis of likes on social networks left by a bunch of morons and paid bloggers.
      2) The history of the tour at the beginning of the article is indicative - the text proposed by the tour guide indicates the role of the KGB in the collapse of the country, because the culture was under his control.
      3) It must be understood that the forces that destroyed the USSR are still in power and continue their dirty work to betray the interests of the country, already the Russian Federation.
      4) In order to resist the further destruction of the country, we must at least talk about it, but now we only hear how bad the USSR was, and how good life has come now.
  12. +9
    13 August 2015 07: 09
    It happened, I know our two factories from the inside. Purely defense, there were 15 thousand people. left 3 thousand. On mash. The plant produced 40 diesel locomotives for factories, now they only repair 2-3 per year. He didn’t work for the rest, but the picture is the same. For example, at the tank engine factory now only walk-behind tractors are produced.
    1. 0
      13 August 2015 08: 30
      You, Lyudinovsky diesel locomotive mean?
  13. +10
    13 August 2015 07: 10
    How many enterprises of the national economy and defense industry were donated free of charge during the collapse of the USSR, there they went bankrupt and privatized at a reasonable price, but on the example of Ukraine they went further, most enterprises went under the hammer and were bought up by US companies and individuals for nothing - all technologies, documentation were transferred for research by NATO experts. What is this, if not a betrayal in the pure form of the interests of the people, the theft of national wealth by officials of the upper echelon for personal enrichment and in favor of foreign states ...
    1. +8
      13 August 2015 07: 59
      Quote: voronbel53
      What is this if not a betrayal in the pure form of the interests of the people, plundering of national wealth by officials

      What do you! It was a fight against the "scoop" and "ineffective economy" (in the interests of some unnamed and generally unknown persons)!
  14. +15
    13 August 2015 07: 14
    Dear Yuri Grigoryevich! From your story, I conclude that the Soviet government made a number of systemic errors. This is, first of all, the loss of control over the elite, including over the national elite in the republics, which led to the fact that hidden frank nationalists settled in the local leadership who gradually destroyed the state, including inspiring people with the idea of ​​their ethnic superiority over other Soviet people. It turns out that the KGB did not fully fulfill its tasks, although it is likely that the Committee was also forbidden to control the party elite after Stalin.
    My other private conclusion: it is not worth placing critical defense industries in those regions where there is no confidence in the loyalty of the local population. The problem of unemployment there should be addressed by creating jobs in the civilian sector.
    1. +3
      13 August 2015 12: 25
      Quote: sergey32
      My other private conclusion: it is not worth placing critical defense industries in those regions where there is no confidence in the loyalty of the local population. The problem of unemployment there should be addressed by creating jobs in the civilian sector.



      But who would THEN think that the USSR would fall apart ??? It seems to me that not even a single person could have dreamed of such a dream ... And now, probably for this reason - complacency and self-confidence - this trouble so simple, easy, corny happened ...

      And now on the cut off not only hair, but also heads, there is nothing to cry ...

      Everything needs to be restored (only Dimon can fade victorious relations about development) ...
      1. +1
        13 August 2015 22: 35
        Quote: veksha50
        about development, only Dimon can win the victorious relations) ...

        Not only a dimon, but also another part of the tandem. Yandex, google to help.
      2. +1
        15 August 2015 09: 01
        Quote: veksha50
        But who would THEN think that the USSR would fall apart ??? It seems to me that not even a person could have dreamed of such a dream ...

        But I always did not understand why it was necessary to develop industry not in the RSFSR, in all sorts of republics? Well, even if they, the republics, were agrarian raw materials, small-scale. Then the USSR would not fall apart.
  15. +9
    13 August 2015 07: 22
    The fact that the West has always sought to tear Ukraine away from the Union is understandable. Military-industrial complexes, factories, specialists, documentation - this is a very tidbit.

    Two points were very interested in the article:

    1. When he sailed on a motor ship and listened to the nonsense of the guide on the topic "Kiev - the capital of the Ukrainian state", and on the capital of one of the fraternal republics of the mighty USSR and about "foreign classics". It turns out even then, at that time, until the 70s of the last century, there were such thoughts that they were separate and independent. In Kiev. What then to say about the rest of the cities of Ukraine? Well, where, then, is the "fraternal people" and "fraternal republic", about which we have always been told from school, and even earlier?

    2. Quote: "During the creation and development of the" Radioizmeritel "plant, I was constantly urged to transfer interrogators and responders of the" Password "State identification system and on-board equipment of command radio control lines there for production. But for some reason I found reasons to connect for of this work only enterprises located in the territory of the Russian Federation ".

    It turns out already then in this state commission, I’m not talking about the government, there were Judas who wanted to get such secrets as well. Well, that failed. Note, as soon as the Union collapsed, almost all the documentation available in Ukraine was transferred to the United States for no reason.

    Nevertheless, many people are right, as well as my older relatives and I agree with them. The first traitor was Khrushchev. With this monster began all the betrayals and the collapse of the country.
    1. +1
      15 August 2015 09: 06
      Quote: Obolensky
      Well, where, then, is the "fraternal people" and "fraternal republic", about which we have always been told from school, and even earlier?


      Yes, he never was. When, finally, everyone will understand this.
  16. +8
    13 August 2015 07: 42
    We would still have to shake up the "cadres" in the Medvedev government, from which we need to kick out all the Golodets, Golikovs and Dvorkovichs, who are slowly but surely ruining medicine, education, science, social services and hindering the implementation of projects that are vital for Russia. Better yet, the entire government of Bear Cub should be dismissed ahead of schedule.
    As Comrade Stalin said - "Cadres decide everything."
    1. +8
      13 August 2015 08: 42
      But what can’t you touch Medvedev? is it not under his leadership that the economy is, to put it mildly, ill? or is it not the consequences of mistakes of many years in power? until the Americans began to drive them into the stall was a blunder .. their production and the army were not needed, science, medicine, etc.?
      1. 0
        13 August 2015 13: 55
        or maybe in vain I’m chasing a bear, he refused an iPhone - now he makes a naughty guy with a Samsung selfie .. wassat
    2. +2
      13 August 2015 12: 28
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      We would still have to shake up the "cadres" in the Medvedev government, from which we need to kick out all the Golodets, Golikovs and Dvorkovichs, who are slowly but surely ruining medicine, education, science, social services and hindering the implementation of projects that are vital for Russia.



      Oh, Nyrobsky !!! I completely agree with you, but I want to ask a question: Do you seriously believe that it is Golodets, Golikova and their ilk that INDEPENDENTLY continue to destroy Russia ???
      1. 0
        15 August 2015 09: 17
        Quote: veksha50
        Do you seriously believe that it is Golodets, Golikova and others like them that INDEPENDENTLY continue to destroy Russia ???

        These are those who are "like them", or rather, above them, and continue to destroy.
    3. +4
      13 August 2015 13: 38
      A question to you. And why does not the guarantor "shake up" them? Just don't need songs about a good tsar and bad boyars.
      1. +1
        13 August 2015 21: 22
        Quote: Tambov Wolf
        A question to you. And why does not the guarantor "shake up" them? Just don't need songs about a good tsar and bad boyars



        So he does not consult with me and does not devote his plans ... Ask him ...

        PS I also clearly asked the question: "Do you really think that THEY are AUTONOMOUSLY ruining Russia" ...
      2. +3
        15 August 2015 09: 20
        Quote: Tambov Wolf
        And why does not the guarantor "shake up" them?

        But because “we are not 37 years old”, “I am satisfied with the work of the government”, “we are on the same team”, “I am a liberal”, “I am satisfied with the measures taken by the Central Bank and Nabiullina to maintain the stability of the ruble”, etc. etc. etc.
        Do you need to remember something else from the speeches of the guarantor?
    4. +2
      15 August 2015 09: 12
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      We would still have to shake up the "cadres" in the Medvedev government, from which we need to kick out all the Golodets, Golikovs and Dvorkovichs

      Was it not Putin who put these "Golodets, Golikovs and Dvorkovichs", Nabiullins in their posts? Who will shake things up?
      1. 0
        15 August 2015 14: 00
        I look at my friend you are in extremely radical positions .. are you standing in the opposition?
  17. +5
    13 August 2015 07: 46
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    We would still have to shake up the "cadres" in the Medvedev government, from which we need to kick out all the Golodets, Golikovs and Dvorkovichs, who are slowly but surely ruining medicine, education, science, social services and hindering the implementation of projects that are vital for Russia. Better yet, the entire government of Bear Cub should be dismissed ahead of schedule.
    As Comrade Stalin said - "Cadres decide everything."


    It's high time to clean the head. Only I'm afraid it won't give anything, then everything needs to be changed. "The mutual guarantee smears like soot." Our people are not yet ripe for this. The timing is not right. I mean ordinary people, not all kinds of Navalny and Co. And so - I agree.
    1. +2
      13 August 2015 08: 47
      so it's scary that the people can support this trash by the next presidential election .. then there will be another "swamp", and you know how you don't want to, I have already gone through perestroika, together with "liberal reforms" .. I will tell you so-so experience .. am
  18. +7
    13 August 2015 08: 44
    L. Leonov in his novel "Pyramid" has a description of the movement of people downhill, from those civilizational and scientific and technological heights that were achieved by incredible efforts, sacrifices, burning and talent of previous generations.

    The main point in this sad picture is that people did not notice how they stepped on the falling line and still believed that everything was going well, and those stories about some achievements, they more and more resemble legends, and are not worth attention so as not to spoil the mood. And if you need something, then we will buy for money ...

    The article provides a fragment of the work of the Ministry of Radio Industry (and there were more than one such ministry), in the years of the so-called stagnation, as these 60-70 years were later called, the activities of leaders and ordinary employees who created a new technological civilization of a single country.

    How hard everything was created, and how elementary it was easily plundered and destroyed in the process of continuous restructuring, reform, transformation, innovation and other decent names of what should be called theft and looting, which fabulously enriched those who came to power with a tiny fraction, and robbed all other citizens .

    And do not think that this terrible picture of degradation is characteristic only for Ukraine.
    1. 0
      15 August 2015 09: 22
      Quote: akudr48
      How hard everything was created, and how elementary it was easily plundered and destroyed in the process of continuous restructuring, reform, transformation, innovation and other decent names of what should be called theft and looting, which fabulously enriched those who came to power with a tiny fraction, and robbed all other citizens .

      And the end and edge of this is not visible.
  19. +6
    13 August 2015 09: 47
    But these authors are still alive at present and have not been punished for their treason.
    Impunity is the credo of our power!
  20. +4
    13 August 2015 10: 09
    It's scary to read that. Struck at first, and then, taking into account the present, what is happening on the outskirts, information about "foreign" Russian writers and composers for Kiev. It was then that the processes of the formation of independence and independence developed with might and main.
    And about the drain of the entire defense industry (technical documentation, etc.) - this is simply a consequence of the treacherous decision at the top of the USSR to deploy just such an incredible amount of high-tech industries in the Ukrainian SSR. Everything was conceived in advance, with a distant sight.
  21. +10
    13 August 2015 10: 38
    Mr. Putin V.V.! How long will our country be ruled by an incompetent government and a branch of the FRS-Central Bank? With such a weak personnel policy, in two years you will lose the entire image you have developed. How long will the economic model imposed on our society by "perestroika" from the United States work? How long?
    1. +2
      13 August 2015 12: 47
      You are not at the address. You need this on the president’s website (although you will be counting 20000000). And the content is correct.
      1. +2
        13 August 2015 13: 24
        Your nickname is very original. It can be assumed that your surname is Putin, Medvedev, Rotenberg, or, at least, Chubais. laughing
      2. +1
        15 August 2015 09: 24
        Quote: Russiamoya
        You are not at the address.

        He is not at the address. Not at the address because the addressee himself supports all this and speaks about it repeatedly.
    2. +1
      15 August 2015 09: 25
      Quote: Koshel2901
      Mr. Putin VV! How long will our country be led by an incompetent government and a branch of the Fed-Central Bank?

      To say, how long? Or guess yourself?
  22. +2
    13 August 2015 11: 03
    These are the "berries" of sowing in the 90s. Russia's pro-Western liberal leadership ...

    Uproot! These are those "wolf berries".
    God grant that there is enough time and energy.
  23. -1
    13 August 2015 11: 30
    Very well written. But here I have a question. Where was the author in August and December of 91? After all, he was no longer young at all and a rather high-ranking man. Blaming "enemies and targets" is good. But what did the AUTHOR do to prevent this from happening?
  24. +7
    13 August 2015 12: 18
    " There is another kind of betrayal, which consists in the fact that a number of scientists are preparing programs for economic development and reforming industries. But they do it in such a way that their introduction into practice will lead to the collapse of the economy, army, education, regions, cities and the state as a whole ... These authors are still alive at the present time and have not suffered any punishment for their betrayal "... ...

    This is exactly what we are now continuing to observe ...

    The author in this article has a cry of the soul ... He is already aged, he will soon have to leave, and the person is tormented by the fact that everything that he created in his life was destroyed by a flock of degenerates ...

    there, at the top, in his comment alicante11 asks the author a question - where was he in August and December 1991 and what he did to prevent what happened ...

    My younger brother also asked me such questions at one time ... And alicante11 I can say that he is apparently relatively young - this time, and the second - he was never there, at the top ... But there is such a cesspool, this such secrets of the Madrid court, these are such undercover and parquet games that it is easier to go into battle with a pronounced opponent than to recognize and strangle a Judas, who also has power ...

    Even when we talk about Gorbachev as a traitor - for some reason we don’t remember that there was a Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee, which was supposed to put this Judas in place ...

    So the layer that the author revealed is huge, but there is no time to cry, they surrounded us, they want to practically kill us, and for this reason we need to prepare for defense ...

    PS The author has well noticed the attitude of the Ukarinskiy guide to his history ... That is, even then, "puppet-death" was already in full swing ...
    1. 0
      15 August 2015 09: 26
      Quote: veksha50
      it’s easier to go into battle with a pronounced enemy than to recognize and strangle a Judas, who also has power ...

      That's it.
  25. +8
    13 August 2015 12: 26
    You see, there is direct betrayal, but there is hidden, non-professionalism, nepotism, sycophancy, stupidity, mediocrity, etc., and now it comes when these people come to power or they are pushed there, for example - STOOL, since the actions of these people affects the interests of our entire PEOPLE and the state, leads to sanctions, a collapse of the ruble, inflation, unemployment, etc. We have such traitors at least a dime a dozen, and all these "rotten eggs" of the government will not bring out our economy, they will ruin it even more. The question is where the legs grow from, the answer is from the "Kremlin".
    1. +4
      13 August 2015 13: 46
      But I don’t understand one thing, where did these ..... come from?
      It wasn't like that
      There was no such arrogance.
      I recall a morning crowded bus
      everything to work and here is the head of my shop
      UVZ, cabinet, hello, hello, how are you
      and without familiarity and without arrogance
      I'm to my locker room, he’s in his office
      And now they spit contemptuously through the lip
      Riding some ugly imported tractors
      But they are nobody and they can’t be called in any way, or rather, they are called thieves
      And the old masters of the sites that stood up to the machine
      at 10-12 years old, in the Second World War,
      we weren’t brought up in the greenhouse greenhouse
      Well, after passing through the whole nonsense behind the gate left.
      Well, these grandfathers could say so politely that there were no thoughts
      to object, well, at the same time, they were not afraid to admit their mistakes
      And praise the initiative
      Uh nails would make of them
      Well, where did all this go?
      Sometimes it’s so boiling that (further on the temperament)
      At all do not read newspapers on an empty stomach.
      1. +2
        15 August 2015 10: 30
        "Well, where did all this go." A Soviet man died, and a man in the street, a qualified consumer, was born.
        1. 0
          15 August 2015 13: 51
          Quote: Vladimir65
          qualified consumer [/ quot

          Even somewhere, the consumer is an oligarch-fascist
  26. +3
    13 August 2015 12: 31
    And what can you do: the country is turning right before our eyes into a plain sprinkled with sand. You just need to forget such a country, stop all activities with it. Where their curve will lead, the road is there for them!
    1. +1
      15 August 2015 09: 27
      Quote: bsk_mna54
      You just need to forget such a country, stop all activities with it.

      Rather, stop all sponsorship and support.
  27. -2
    13 August 2015 13: 52
    There are a million such examples, because the revolution is a fire that burns everything, you need to live on, and as for enterprises and technologies, they are already devalued to zero, the competencies of the lost technologies are outdated, if they had any value to anyone, these are things that happened long ago, something like Greek fire recipe - who needs it today?
  28. +3
    13 August 2015 14: 14
    The article is a huge plus. I express great respect to the author and wish you many years of healthy life!
    I would like to emphasize that the flaws and harm of the communist, Soviet policy in national affairs were obvious to many long before the collapse of the USSR.
    The Russophobic and wrecking policy of the CPSU to create artificial peoples and nations was still gaining momentum when the author began the described activities.
    The Lenin-Khrushchev-Brezhnev policy of reinforcing and pumping up the wealth of artificial state education UKRAINE was still gaining momentum and volume.
    Such a transfer of wealth and human resources was thereby a cleverly invented method through which a highly classified and particularly effective sabotage was carried out against the Russian people.
    In the comments to this article, the statement of hopeless scoops often slips that “as soon as the junta is thrown off, everything can be restored again, as it was during the USSR”. In my opinion, this is an appeal to go around a circle of failures and losses until our complete collapse or exhaustion.
    And further.
    "Koshel2901  Today, 10:38
    Mr. Putin VV! How long will our country be led by an incompetent government and a branch of the Fed-Central Bank? With such a weak personnel policy, in two years you will lose the whole image you have gained. How long will the economic model imposed on our society by “restructuring” and “reformers” from the United States work? How long? ”
    Here is what I said above, I liked it and should become the slogan of today!
  29. +2
    13 August 2015 15: 56
    Quote: KazaK Bo
    These are the "berries" of the sowing of the 90s. the pro-Western liberal leadership of Russia ... when, in order to satisfy their uncontrollable power ambitions and the desire to legalize the wealth accumulated by unjust labor, they went to any betrayal and ... oddly enough ... our newly-minted YOUNG women ... considered it a virtue!
    Unfortunately ... there are many more in the corridors of power ...

    Yes, only they sit on all the key ones in the economy, education and culture, and "our most patriotic oligarchs" move them! stop
  30. +5
    13 August 2015 16: 09
    Who in the years 60-70 in their right mind could have thought of the collapse of the USSR?
    Apparently, therefore, during the construction of such facilities they were guided by some other reasons, both justified and not very substantiated. On the one hand, the climate in Ukraine is milder than in most of Russia. On the other hand, at the head of the USSR was Brezhnev, who himself worked for a long time in Ukraine. And apparently therefore there were some connections with the leadership of this republic, which allowed it to influence the decision-making on the construction of new industrial enterprises, and not only. You can remember, for example, that gas pipelines are basically all through Ukraine, which is why Gazprom has long had headaches. Although where I read - through Belarus it would be possible to build them shorter and cheaper.
    And of course the conclusion about the collapse of the USSR is clearly visible. Since these "Okrainy" lived better, mocked those who lived in Russia, then, accordingly, they came to the conclusion that this is because they are so smart and hard-working and that without Russia they will heal even better.
    Interestingly - is there at least one country from the former USSR that, after its collapse, began to live even better?
  31. +4
    13 August 2015 22: 28
    It's a shame for the state. And for the people who betrayed Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich and other numerous scum. And not one was punished ...
  32. DPN
    +5
    13 August 2015 22: 40
    Our constitution allows the government to do whatever it wants and there is nothing to RESPONSE for! Therefore, Gorbachev lives quietly, and a monument to Yeltsin for the collapse of the country. And most of the former leaders of the Russian state live over the hill with dual citizenship, which in the USSR was NOT POSSIBLE!
  33. +1
    15 August 2015 08: 32
    Try, dear readers, to find among developed countries those in which ministers, including foreign affairs, governors and state-level officials leave after resigning for permanent residence in unfriendly countries? You will not find such countries. And here it is an accepted norm.

    How can you not find it? And Russia? Is it different in Russia? Moreover, in Russia and before resignations, "governors and government officials" are already living in unfriendly countries.
  34. 0
    15 August 2015 10: 21
    Actual article. thank.
  35. 0
    15 August 2015 10: 21
    Actual article. thank.
  36. +1
    15 August 2015 10: 25
    All that happened cannot be called incompetence. This is obvious wrecking and betrayal. After the death (murder) of Stalin, a critical mass of traitors accumulated and in 1991 the bomb exploded.
  37. +2
    15 August 2015 10: 38
    Quote: LeftPers
    To EBN in a coffin turned over.

    Thank you for the CORRECT assessment of the activity of the TOP alcoholic and destroyer of our country.
    But, you are VERY cautious in opinions. Now you will DAMAGE minuses. laughing
  38. +4
    15 August 2015 11: 02
    Unfortunately, there was no incompetence. There was a blatant mercantile betrayal. For Your Money All That Is Good. It has long been necessary to gather all the participants in the process of the collapse of the USSR in "Lefortovo" or "Kresty". Well, in general, the location of the relevant institutions does not play a special role. It is extremely surprising why Chubais is still free? It is high time for the bunks and for life. Even the CIA did not give more nastiness than this "Nanaets" for Russia.
    1. DPN
      +3
      15 August 2015 15: 10
      HE SHOULD NOT TOUCH PETERSBURG, WHO SHOULD PLACE IT? Then PUTIN does not give up. Or maybe he just can’t do it too hard, which is unlikely.
  39. +1
    15 August 2015 15: 15
    What can we do to prevent a new stage in the tragedy of the destruction of our country?
    I guess nothing!
    We support the foreign policy of the country. This line seems to lead to the revival of Russia.
    The question is: why suddenly those who were satisfied (and are satisfied, we will not dissemble!) The dependent economic situation of the country, suddenly preoccupied with the confrontation with those who were "best friends" of our elite for many years?
    I guess Russian Rotenbergs have grown out of their children's pants. And the greedy entity "called them on the road."
    Russia has become too small for them, cramped ... and they swung at "William, our .. Shakespeare" - at the world's lands.
    Then they came across a complete "misunderstanding" on the part of their best Western friends.
    And "Opel" they were not allowed to buy .. and with gas they began to be smart .. and a lot of others to put obstacles.
    Ah, are you like that ?!
    And the first bell that was unpleasant for "Western partners" sounded in Putin's Munich speech. But there, as always, they did not understand the hint.
    That is, for them: "What is good for General Motors is good for America." And the paradigm: "What is useful for Gazprom is useful for Russia" has become a mystery.
    But just as the interests of the DM are protected by the full power of one democratic state itself, so the interests of the GP have also become a priority in Russian politics. In this case, Gazprom is a collective image.
    Good or bad for us mere mortals - that’s not the point. Our interests are considered last.
    This is the essence of the newest "confidential" policy of our leadership. There is a division of the spheres of influence of economic corporations.
    Hence, one should not expect changes in the domestic economic policy of the state. She suits them.
    Nationalization stolen by hard work will not.
    National traitors (former and present) deserve no reward.
    Joyful for us is not enough.
    Yes, however, there is no special joy among our members of the forum.
    Finita La Comedy.
  40. +2
    15 August 2015 18: 47
    Quote: captain
    There wasn’t any betrayal, but he couldn’t be a traitor, for example, Comrade. Lenin? Or Khrushchev, or Brezhnev, or Gorbachev.

    About Brezhnev and Khrushchev I can not say that traitors. But Gorbachev is a question. Only the traitor could behave this way to the head of the country. He ruined a country that was created centuries later and the blood of our ancestors.