Russian general: The army is collapsed, and NATO understands this ...

Russian general: The army is collapsed, and NATO understands this ...On the eve of the elections, our President and Supreme Commander Dmitry Medvedev and the “national leader” Vladimir Putin have attended to including the state of the army and the military-industrial complex of the country and assure the trustful citizens of Russia that they will do everything so that our Armed Forces meet modern requirements and timely received new weapons and military equipment.


The Russian media controlled by the government and the president have actively joined these assurances. So, in the final program on NTV on October 9, with Kirill Pozdnyakov the whole news the block was dedicated to the military department of Russia. Prepared by NTV correspondent Alexei Pobortsev. And I must say, he did everything possible to smooth out the sharp corners and problems of the Armed Forces and the military-industrial complex that have accumulated over the years of reform, while promoting our “national leader” Vladimir Putin, who this time personally tested the command and control system tank T-90S from the commander’s place in the tower.

The car is good in all respects: modern communication and navigation system, additional electromagnetic protection of the armored hull, automatic transmission, rear-view camera; the tank is equipped with a complex of guided missiles with a target range of up to 5000 m; according to experts, he has good export prospects, but ... he will not be supplied to the Russian army.

It turns out that our Ministry of Defense is waiting for a fundamentally new model of the tank, the development of which is supposed to be completed by the 2015 year. This is despite the fact that the Defense Ministry refused from the previously developed T-95. Its prototypes were made and passed factory tests - that's all. And therefore, according to the statement of the First Deputy Minister of Defense A. Sukhorukov, it is planned to modernize the Soviet X-NUMX tanks of the T-70: “the price-quality ratio suits the Defense Ministry.” The fact that the facilities of Uralvagonzavod, the last Russian plant capable of producing modern tanks, will stand idle, is not important for our Ministry of Defense.

New Russian tank T-90MS "Tagil"

The matter is further aggravated by the fact that the export prospects of our armored vehicles as a result of the activities of the previous First Deputy Minister of Defense V. Popovkin are very vague. In 2010, Mr. Popovkin gave the mass media the most negative characteristic of our military-industrial complex, assessed almost all samples of our weapons and military equipment as outdated and unpromising, which actually hit all our military-technical cooperation with foreign countries. (Who will buy outdated weapons of military technology?). Mr. Popovkin was urgently transferred to another position - to the “Russian Space”, after which all of our missiles began to fall. I cannot connect all the failures of our space industry directly with the name of Mr. Popovkin, but the fact remains.

"The military does not want to simply order new tanks and aircraft," says A. Pobortsev, "we need modern combat systems and battle control systems." And what does this mean, the military observer V. Litovkin interprets the trusting Russian man in the street: “The tank must be connected with an unmanned aerial vehicle. He must pass the tank coordinates of the target. And the rocket projectile should be brought to the target and corrected by the drone ”.

How this will happen in practice, I, as a military man, cannot imagine. Unmanned aerial vehicles can really be of great help in reconnaissance of targets, but areal: artillery and anti-aircraft batteries, command posts and communications centers, areas of various reserves; they can be used to adjust artillery and volley fire systems from closed firing positions. But finding a single masked target for a tank (tank or anti-tank gun, anti-tank guided missile in a firing position) using a drone and adjusting the fire of a tank gun can only come to a military observer who has never served in the army.

And, of course, such unmanned aerial vehicles can be manufactured only in Israel (which the Israelis demonstrated during the last war in Lebanon, when they lost most of their Merkava tanks that were considered invulnerable).

By the way, the military itself has long been ordering nothing. For them, it is done by completely different people - “effective” civilian managers who have never served in the army, but much better than the military who know financial flows.

The military observer is complemented by another “major military specialist” - Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, who justified the need to purchase unmanned aerial vehicles in Israel. Next came the rationale for the purchase of "Mistral" in France, sniper rifles in England. Moreover, A. Pobortsev agreed that the sighting range of our SVD sniper rifle, it turns out, is three times smaller and is only 500 m. Well, how can you be so ignorant in military affairs and prepare a military program ?!

“Today the Ministry of Defense has money,” continues A. Pobortsev, “therefore sometimes more expensive foreign samples are purchased for the army. Soon our motorized infantrymen will ride on IVECO Italian armored vehicles. ” True, they are inferior in maneuverability and maneuverability to domestic Tiger armored vehicles, but surpass them in armor protection (our Ministry of Defense doesn’t bother about the fact that it was they who ordered the machines with such a level of protection). At the international exhibition of weapons in Nizhny Tagil, the Italian armored car could not overcome the obstacles that easily obeyed the "Tigra".

Russian armored car "Tiger"


But like a military man, I have a question: why do we need armored cars for our motorized infantry riders? After all, these are not battlefield vehicles, nor ours, let alone Italian armored vehicles, will overcome an elementary trench without bridges installed through it in advance, not to mention weapons.

Military observer V. Litovkin justified the rejection of the purchase of Kalashnikov assault rifles: “Of course, the“ Kalashnikov ”professional soldier is not suitable. Because the AK has a flaw: one or two bullets go to the target, the rest are going to the side like a fan. ” But this is peculiar to everything, without exception, automatic rifle arms and depends largely on the skill of the shooter. Such a “professional” critic.

As if with regret, A. Pobortsev states that as yet not all types of weapons for the Russian army can be bought abroad, for example, the anti-ship missile X-35. Western partners today will not sell anything similar or more modern to Russia.

The only sober idea in this program was expressed by B. Obnosov, Director General of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation: “If we expect that someone will sell modern samples on a serial scale, this is nonsense. Everyone is rooting for their security, and we are not so close friends with all our competitors to sell us good weapons. ” Everyone is sick for their safety, except for our Ministry of Defense, unfortunately. As for the “good weapons”, I think that this fully applies to the “Mistrals”, and to the IVECO, and to the English sniper rifles, and to Israeli unmanned aerial vehicles.

And one more very important point. In the course of the reforms, we have eliminated the army system of technical maintenance and troop repair of weapons and military equipment. It is assumed that this will deal with the commercial structure "Oboronservis" and representatives of manufacturers. Arms and military equipment purchased abroad will also be serviced and repaired by representatives of foreign firms in the military, or what?

The First Deputy Minister of Defense easily and naturally substantiated the disruption of the state defense order this year. It turns out that the officials of the Ministry of Defense demanded that the enterprises of the military industrial complex substantiate the prices for all the components, including the screws, in detail. Therefore, most contracts were concluded only by October. Well, who is to blame? Of course, the military-industrial complex enterprises themselves. But it seems to me that if the president had not suddenly remembered about the state defense order, no one would have concluded contracts this year. Interestingly, did the money allocated by the budget for the purchase of weapons and military equipment, all this time lay a dead weight?

Speaking of prices. Is it not known to Mr. Sukhorukov that after paying all taxes, the MIC enterprises have only half of the amount allocated to them (half is returned to the state)? But that is not all. A tidbit of "defense pie" goes to bankers in the form of interest on loans. After all, the allocated money never goes to enterprises on time, and you have to take loans, such is the policy of our Ministry of Finance. And then there are intermediary firms arranging various tenders, for some reason the Ministry of Defense does not work directly with military-industrial complex enterprises. And, of course, the corruption component.

Here are how many problems that need to be addressed at the level of the Ministry of Defense, and not count on the 9 months, how many screws are worth. From really big money (20 trillions to 2020 of the year), our military-industrial complex will receive mere crumbs. But instead, the Ministry of Defense decided to order weapons and military equipment abroad.

So, what do we have today?

This year's defense order is off. Chronic underfunding, or, as this year, its almost complete absence, has led to the fact that the country's military-industrial complex is degrading and rapidly losing the ability to produce new, modern weapons and military equipment. In order for new designs to appear, it is necessary to provide advanced financing for research and development, R & D, and they are generally funded on a residual basis. Non-production enterprises lose skilled workers and engineers, whose training takes many years.

And this situation in our military-industrial complex has developed largely due to the purposeful policy in the field of the state defense order of our own Ministry of Defense. Do not the president and our “national leader” see and understand this? And if they see, why not take any action?

The situation in the Armed Forces is even worse. It is believed that we have a millionth army, as Mr. Sukhorukov recalled in this program. Let's count together. There are 150 thousand officers in the army, there are no warrant officers at all, they were liquidated. According to the civilian chief of the State Medical University V. Smirnov, in the army and on navy 184 thousand contractors are serving. Total 334 thousand, which means that the remaining 666 thousand people are military servicemen. But so many simply did not call. Moreover, conscripts serve not only in the army and navy, of the total number drafted, up to 30% serve in the internal troops, border guards, units of the Ministry of Emergencies, and in the presidential regiment, finally. This means that there is a huge shortage in the army and navy, and it will only grow. The autumn appeal is planned to be reduced by almost 2 times. More than 200 thousand citizens, according to the same Smirnov, are evading military service. The spring call lasts until September, and the fall - until March. The troops are only engaged in the fact that continuously, throughout the year, small groups admit young soldiers to their ranks, organize solo training with them and try to equip units. At the same time, the process of dismissal is also ongoing. Under these conditions, there can be no question of any high-quality staffing of units. What are these parts of constant combat readiness?

Therefore, NATO military analysts are pleased to note that as a result of the reforms carried out, the Armed Forces of Russia are not able to more successfully solve tasks even in local conflicts, “The Russian army does not have enough vehicles to transport troops over long distances, does not have enough planes and pilots who can fly in any weather, there is no single information system. The army lacks soldiers ... "

The Russian army is collapsed, NATO understands this, but in the leadership of the country?

Lieutenant-General Viktor Ivanovich Sobolev 23 was born on February 1950, in Krasnodar. He graduated from the Baku Higher Combined-Arms Command School, Military Academy named after M.V. Frunze and the Military Academy of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces. He passed positions from the commander of a motorized rifle platoon to deputy army commander. From 2002 of the year - Deputy Commander of the UGV (s) in the North Caucasus. 2003-06 Commander 58-th Army of the North Caucasus Military District.
Since 2006, the main military adviser to the Russian Embassy in India. Left post after reaching the maximum age in December 2010 of the year.
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  1. Alex63
    Alex63 28 October 2011 16: 08 New
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    I want to ask our ruling tandem: how long will Serdyukov lead the Ministry of Defense? Until there is only one memory left from the Russian army? He will ruin the state’s defense. For all that he did not shoot him, hang him a little? Was if he were an officer, he would advise him to put a bullet in his forehead.
    1. Vadivak 28 October 2011 16: 27 New
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      The generals, as they retire, begin to cut the womb of the truth, and only one acting one was able to give Serdyukov the snout - As General Shamanov said a few days later: "Our troops beat quickly and hard." Drachun was quickly dismissed with the wording “according to the length of service”, and if he had been marked as it should, then he would keep such a disgraceful
      1. Cross
        Cross 28 October 2011 23: 20 New
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        "true womb" ... gentlemen generals, maybe stop whining, huh? "Bloody Pu and Co. are ruining Russia," "corruption," blah blah blah ... Honestly, I'm tired of hearing it already. Reforms, t.b. military, "painless" do not pass. And if you want “all at once and perfectly”, then I advise you to go down to our sinful land ... And there is pilling everywhere, so there’s no need to dramatize it.

        Vadivak +1
        1. Uhalus 29 October 2011 02: 34 New
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          Correctly. Do not whine, but stir up the coup, as in Chile 40 years ago.
          1. drinkins
            drinkins 29 October 2011 11: 44 New
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            they won’t give, now there is a rearmament of riot police, which protects the top, and then they FSU.
          2. esaul 29 October 2011 19: 34 New
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            How do you want people like you, uhalus, to put the putsch on, to let the blood flow like a river, to scum break into the houses and be able to rob, rape, kill ...! Brave you are shy, however! This shvalya always enough, at all times and, always, when it came to "surreal", they always preferred chestnuts from the fire to pull out with the wrong hands. Anarchy and unprincipledness - these are your ideals and aspirations. Less to you, you are an agitator fiery ...
            1. Evil Tatar
              Evil Tatar 30 October 2011 16: 42 New
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              I agree, dear Esaul!
    2. His
      His 28 October 2011 16: 58 New
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      Serdyukov is a comedian. And the Army is not a commerce, this is our country. A country is always judged by its Army or its relation to a military unit. We will save on armaments, we will save territories, these territories will simply be taken apart. A large number of people wanting to replenish the size of their countries
      1. Plead 22 January 2018 14: 20 New
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        “SERDYUKOV” OPERATION IS THE BIGGEST GEOPOLITICAL SUCCESS OF RUSSIA AT THE BEGINNING OF THE XXI CENTURY

        http://www.iarex.ru/articles/51971.html
        Why is Serdyukov not sitting?
        August 29 2015
        First, a little chronology.

        1996 year. Operation Jihad was an assault on Grozny by units of Chechen fighters in the month of August, during which they took control of most of the city. Chechen detachments also attacked and captured other major cities of the republic - Argun and Gudermes. After this, the shameful Khasavyurt agreements were concluded, putting an end to the first Chechen war.

        2008 year. The five-day war, during which the Georgian-trained and well-equipped army was defeated. It should be borne in mind that the forces of the parties directly involved in this war were approximately equal in number and armament (about 18-20 thousand soldiers on each side of the sides, approximate equality in tanks and armored vehicles). In aviation, the Russian Federation had a serious superiority, but the fate of the war was decided by land waxes. A brilliant military victory without any reservations in a record short time. The Israelis, shoved off the podium with their seven-day war, smoke offendedly aside.

        2014 year. Crimea is part of Russia without a single shot.

        What has changed since the end of the last century and where did Russia get a new beautiful army from, if we take the ground forces and air defense, then the best in the world at the moment (in terms of aviation and naval power - the undoubted second in the world).
    3. zczczc
      zczczc 28 October 2011 17: 31 New
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      Alex63Yes, he does not lead anything. He simply voices the decisions of a group of analysts whose composition we will never know. And the group, as such, did not suck out the reform strategy itself from the finger, it simply clearly indicated the direction of reform.

      Serdyukov, of course, is mediocrity, but he was simply set up so that “the hand would not tremble” when he cuts it alive. He cuts as ordered.
      1. Alex63
        Alex63 29 October 2011 05: 15 New
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        We will never know the names of analysts. The CIA does not surrender its names.
      2. Plead 22 January 2018 14: 19 New
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        “SERDYUKOV” OPERATION IS THE BIGGEST GEOPOLITICAL SUCCESS OF RUSSIA AT THE BEGINNING OF THE XXI CENTURY

        http://www.iarex.ru/articles/51971.html
        Why is Serdyukov not sitting?
        August 29 2015
        First, a little chronology.

        1996 year. Operation Jihad was an assault on Grozny by units of Chechen fighters in the month of August, during which they took control of most of the city. Chechen detachments also attacked and captured other major cities of the republic - Argun and Gudermes. After this, the shameful Khasavyurt agreements were concluded, putting an end to the first Chechen war.

        2008 year. The five-day war, during which the Georgian-trained and well-equipped army was defeated. It should be borne in mind that the forces of the parties directly involved in this war were approximately equal in number and armament (about 18-20 thousand soldiers on each side of the sides, approximate equality in tanks and armored vehicles). In aviation, the Russian Federation had a serious superiority, but the fate of the war was decided by land waxes. A brilliant military victory without any reservations in a record short time. The Israelis, shoved off the podium with their seven-day war, smoke offendedly aside.

        2014 year. Crimea is part of Russia without a single shot.

        What has changed since the end of the last century and where did Russia get a new beautiful army from, if we take the ground forces and air defense, then the best in the world at the moment (in terms of aviation and naval power - the undoubted second in the world).
    4. maksim 28 October 2011 18: 32 New
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      Serdyukov just did not find the best game in the "strategy", she so clogs him up
    5. Lexeich
      Lexeich 28 October 2011 20: 35 New
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      where does Serdyukov? Let's call a spade a spade. Putin and K%, with our connivance, are successfully doing what their masters did not have time to do in 1917 and 1941 (yes, and in the 41st). Their goal has long been voiced - the complete destruction of state infrastructure. http://blog.kp.ru/users/sergey_vdv/post125528617/
      1. AleksUkr 29 October 2011 18: 37 New
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        In the words before the elections, the national leader and non-partisan Putin stands for the army, but at the same time he is trying to pull EdRo out of the swamp, that party of officials who are pulling the country into the auxiliary USA.
      2. PANTELEIMON 24 January 2018 19: 03 New
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        And what do you eat in a ruined state? Have you forgotten that the USSR fell apart from hunger?
    6. kesa1111
      kesa1111 28 October 2011 22: 44 New
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      For this, he was entangled and set. Himself steals with 3 hands, and therefore is not enough for the army. Yes, even relatives with him, and the FSB, and the guards ... and they all steal. And what these bastards overlooked - ederasty in the wings.
    7. kesa1111
      kesa1111 28 October 2011 22: 46 New
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      For this, he was entangled and set. Himself steals with 3 hands, and therefore is not enough for the army. Yes, even relatives with him, and the FSB, and the guards ... and they all steal. And what these bastards overlooked - ederasty in the wings.
    8. kesa1111
      kesa1111 28 October 2011 22: 54 New
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      For this, he was entangled and set. Himself steals with 3 hands, and therefore is not enough for the army. Yes, even relatives with him, and the FSB, and the guards ... and they all steal. And what these bastards overlooked - ederasty in the wings.
    9. Max79 28 October 2011 23: 04 New
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      Alex63,
      I join these words! Even in open meetings, rallies are held against the Stools and all on x ... .As long as the father-in-law in the government, the son-in-law will work. From both there is only one collapse.
      1. Alex63
        Alex63 29 October 2011 05: 17 New
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        My namesake appeared.
    10. Uhalus 29 October 2011 02: 33 New
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      Yes, and where, in the end, is Serdyuk? He is a doll who was given to steer and cash in. The main scoundrels are higher. This is their course. They will remove the heart, when he is tired of everyone and put another, even worse. This was the case in medicine: there was Zurabov, who sucked on and finished everything that at least somehow worked, he was finally kicked out, and Golikova turned out to be even worse. Only not everyone knows, thinks about it, because it is not "advertised" like this biologist, livestock specialist. It is necessary to change the whole system basically! Just who and how to do it?
      1. Plead 22 January 2018 14: 21 New
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        “SERDYUKOV” OPERATION IS THE BIGGEST GEOPOLITICAL SUCCESS OF RUSSIA AT THE BEGINNING OF THE XXI CENTURY

        http://www.iarex.ru/articles/51971.html
        Why is Serdyukov not sitting?
        August 29 2015
        First, a little chronology.

        1996 year. Operation Jihad was an assault on Grozny by units of Chechen fighters in the month of August, during which they took control of most of the city. Chechen detachments also attacked and captured other major cities of the republic - Argun and Gudermes. After this, the shameful Khasavyurt agreements were concluded, putting an end to the first Chechen war.

        2008 year. The five-day war, during which the Georgian-trained and well-equipped army was defeated. It should be borne in mind that the forces of the parties directly involved in this war were approximately equal in number and armament (about 18-20 thousand soldiers on each side of the sides, approximate equality in tanks and armored vehicles). In aviation, the Russian Federation had a serious superiority, but the fate of the war was decided by land waxes. A brilliant military victory without any reservations in a record short time. The Israelis, shoved off the podium with their seven-day war, smoke offendedly aside.

        2014 year. Crimea is part of Russia without a single shot.

        What has changed since the end of the last century and where did Russia get a new beautiful army from, if we take the ground forces and air defense, then the best in the world at the moment (in terms of aviation and naval power - the undoubted second in the world).
    11. dim
      dim 11 November 2011 09: 02 New
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      good question
  2. jamert
    jamert 28 October 2011 16: 13 New
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    Attention! You do not have permission to view hidden text.


    Most? Well, according to what data?
    1. Tjumenec72
      Tjumenec72 28 October 2011 16: 26 New
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      As part of the AOI ground forces in Lebanon during the Second Lebanon War, forces from 5 armored brigades operated (some of them were not in full force) - a total of about 400 tanks (more accurate figures are also given, for example, 370). The 7th regular and 847th reservist brigades were armed with Merkava Mk.2 tanks, the 188th regular and 434th reservist brigades were armed with Mk.3 Mk. 401, and the 4th regular brigade were equipped with the latest Merkava Mk.200 .100. In addition, in Lebanon, up to 9 heavy Akhzarit heavy armored personnel carriers were used, a number of Nagmakhon and Nakpadon heavy armored personnel carriers, up to 700 units of engineering equipment (Puma heavy armored personnel carriers and D113 bulldozers) - a total of about XNUMX tanks, heavy BTR and bulldozers. Ordinary armored personnel carriers (for example, MXNUMX) were not used in Lebanon, unarmored vehicles were used extremely limited.
      Hezbollah fighters widely used various anti-tank weapons against anti-tank bomber AOI, including anti-tank missiles, RPGs and high-explosive bombs, which included hundreds of kg of explosives. Part of the BTT was damaged and even lost forever.
      • 45 tanks were hit by ATGMs and RPG grenades, in total 51 missiles hit the tanks.
      • In 24 cases (47% of the number of hits), the cumulative stream penetrated the armor of the tanks, apparently in 3 cases out of these 24 in the tanks the ammunition detonated.
      • In total, about 60 BTT units received combat damage, including 48-52 tanks. 5 tanks were irretrievably lost - 3 from ATGM hits (one Merkava Mk.2, Mk.3 and Mk.4 each) and 2 from HE explosions (one Merkava Mk.2 and Mk.4 each).
      • 31 fighter of armored forces, including 30 tankmen. In addition, 4 more soldiers died from ATGM hits in the BTT - 3 in D9 bulldozers and 1 in the heavy Puma armored personnel carrier.
      • Merkava tanks, especially the latest MK.4, showed excellent resistance to combat defeats. On average, in each tank whose armor was broken, 1 tanker was killed, and the ammunition, apparently, detonated in only 3 of the 24 shots.

      Something like that
      1. ytqnhfk
        ytqnhfk 28 October 2011 16: 50 New
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        An article from the Communist Party’s website. Isn't everything else clear?
        1. dmb
          dmb 28 October 2011 17: 36 New
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          And what's the difference on whose website the article is? If it does not correspond to the truth, clearly refute it. And hanging labels is unwise.
          1. ytqnhfk
            ytqnhfk 28 October 2011 23: 24 New
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            It's not about the labels! It's about the election race, that's all and I will not refute anything since I don’t like to do boltology, but the Communist Party on the site has some cries as it’s all bad and who is to blame. did not try!
            1. dmb
              dmb 28 October 2011 23: 37 New
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              Well, let’s put it. if you read the programs of the EP and the Communist Party, the latter just have specifics, but in the EP program there really is one boltology without real implementation mechanisms.
              1. PSih2097 28 October 2011 23: 39 New
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                But in the EP program there really is one boltology without real implementation mechanisms.

                they earn money ...
              2. ytqnhfk
                ytqnhfk 28 October 2011 23: 44 New
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                I didn’t go to ep at all! And so everything is visible! I tend to not believe anyone, since everyone in the past crap, sir!
        2. Alex63
          Alex63 29 October 2011 08: 55 New
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          It is unclear what the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is to do with it. If Serdyukov destroys our defense and breaks up the army, if Golikova fills up healthcare and social services, if Nurgaliev muddied up such things in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, that a hundred reforms aren’t enough to put things in order if planes fall, steamers sink, and Levitin nothing to do with it, if Fursenko is experimenting with schoolchildren and students, if bankers plunder the money they didn’t earn (Kostin needs to be planted, but they gave him the order), you can add the leadership of Rosneft and Gazprom, which sell natural resources belonging to the Russian people to themselves such bonuses and bonuses are paid to your beloved that you can’t even dream of a simple hard worker even in the best dream, here you can add the storyteller Chubais, who buys diode bulbs from the Chinese, puts their packaging in them and presents them as nanotechnological lamps designed under his strict guidance that can last a little or not forever. What, the Communist Party is to blame for all this mess and lawlessness? If politicians, officials, police officers who have committed crimes manage to evade criminal punishment, is this also the intrigues of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation? All of whom were mentioned above are members of the "leading and directing". And all the chaos created in the country is visible with the naked eye. Only our tandem, apparently, has pink glasses in front of his eyes, plus to all of them, apparently, they watch nothing except the Comedy Club and Nasha Rashi and read nothing except the Rossiyskaya Gazeta .
          1. LTL70 14 November 2011 16: 00 New
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            Thank! The names of all the watchdogs destroying the army and the country are named and correctly named, but only to judge them, or at least to drive out not talking heads, but thinking ones. All the reforms that were started and financed by the oil and gas bill were empty, thoughtless undertakings: military, police, education, health care, and pension, .... and and and ..... What they achieved besides showing a stormy appearance , almost revolutionary, activities of the ruling party: the Vienna ruined the army, left it without modern weapons (sold over a hill), but instead of tanks it provided badminton rackets, instead of missile rackets, instead of physical training badminton toys.!
          2. vezunchik 21 March 2017 09: 18 New
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            six years have passed ... and what has changed ???
            1. Sedoi zmei 10 December 2017 09: 29 New
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              A lot of things! Especially in the capacity of the army ...
  3. Tjumenec72
    Tjumenec72 28 October 2011 16: 18 New
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    Again, another article, “Everything was lost,” and the saddest thing is that it was supposedly written on behalf of the general.
    Well, what is there to rub in vain - ELECTION!
    Now, if he’s so smart, at least he would throw a “recept” (in the subject, it’s kind of like a man).
    For this, they generally shot before (
    1. LTL70 14 November 2011 16: 04 New
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      So you, Tyumenets, are preparing for the elections, but we thought you were worried about your homeland ?!
  4. svvaulsh
    svvaulsh 28 October 2011 16: 20 New
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    Bravo General! We also understand this. But where did the idiots come from that belittled the dignity of domestic developments and praised second-rate imports? And most importantly, make decisions !!!
    1. kostiknet 28 October 2011 16: 23 New
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      Langley, Virginia of course, or island / french fosterlings
      1. svvaulsh
        svvaulsh 28 October 2011 16: 32 New
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        I think everything is easier. These Pokémon are concerned about the well-being of their pockets, and not about the security of their homeland, which they perceive as a business project for earning green papers.
    2. AleksUkr 28 October 2011 18: 12 New
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      They emerged from the cohort of successful managers and tax specialists, such as the valiant “warrior and commander” Serdyukov. The tandem is now to the point of the VS problem. The main thing is that it follows from almost all of their PR statements - EdRo should receive a constitutional majority, and no less. Remember the defense order - Medvedev set the task, Putin tapped the table, Serdyukov put his hand to his empty head, Ivanov reported. That's all the answers to the questions posed. And all, or almost all the generals, who do not quite agree with the military policy of our political and military leadership are dismissed under various pretexts. And the one who gave in the face — we remember — more insults than a blow to the face with the palm of his hands before the officers did not have. Punch - to an equal opponent, or lawless.
    3. LTL70 14 November 2011 16: 10 New
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      From the bowels of the ruling class !!! Therefore, there are no contracts on time, because we have our own defense industry on the side — there is no gain without mediation, so we will play badminton with Serdyukov until the budget money for the development of the enemy defense industry disappears - you have to pay a lot of money for shit, which means there will be more!
  5. Motherland
    Motherland 28 October 2011 16: 36 New
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    Eh, we all remember a rather sensational article on the rally for Serdyukov’s resignation, at least on this site, but we didn’t see it anywhere ...
    And I think I even advise Serdyukov to really shoot himself a bullet in the forehead, or let him shoot a bullet to anyone else, and generally advise it to all United Russia members and oligarchs, every resident of the United States.
    1. AleksUkr 28 October 2011 18: 13 New
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      Only an officer who respects his honor can put a bullet in his forehead.
      1. Motherland
        Motherland 28 October 2011 20: 07 New
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        Well then, I advise the above soap and the rope.
        1. PSih2097 28 October 2011 20: 31 New
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          I think I even advise Serdyukov to really shoot himself a bullet in the forehead, or let him shoot a bullet to anyone else, but generally advise it to all United Russia and oligarchs, every resident of the United States.

          Better Kohl is a courageous and unusual means of suicide, or, like a samurai, make yourself a seppuku, without further chopping off your head, so that you would suffer longer ...
          1. Motherland
            Motherland 28 October 2011 21: 28 New
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            Yes, we wish a lot that we can not wish to happen, because these people really deserve it all.
  6. Varnaga 28 October 2011 17: 00 New
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    Another Communist Party courtesan, no?
    The article itself, this is a complete paragraph, that not a word, then a frank distortion, attribution and blatant lies.
    If this dude would have been at the appropriate age, if possible he would have personally pleased everyone, but alas.
    1. Ivan35
      Ivan35 28 October 2011 19: 07 New
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      I support Varnaga! It looks like another denigration!
      1. sazhka
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        We used to serve for the COUNTRY and now for Berezovsky or Abramovich
    2. prunx
      prunx 28 October 2011 20: 30 New
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      Why are you allowing yourself that ?! How dare you say such things against true patriots (tm), these honest, unyielding fighters against the hated regime, for the interests of working people all over the world. Be ashamed.
      1. Varnaga 28 October 2011 21: 18 New
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        Oh, how ashamed, a chunk of matzo choked (glory to Gd, not like Choi) smile
        1. evgenm55 29 October 2011 08: 20 New
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          Listen, henchman of the western lackeys, at least serve as a platoon butcher, plunge into the problems of troops, combat training, etc. and then open your mouth point by point: refute if there is anything. From people like you who have seen enough Medveputovsky advertising, the circles diverge - the result: poisonous chatter ...
          1. esaul 29 October 2011 19: 58 New
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            Where are such quick and experienced platooners fostering? Probably at monthly courses, as during the years of the Second World War? You can immediately see the patriot - furious to the grinding of teeth! wink
            1. evgenm55 2 November 2011 09: 23 New
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              What, interestingly, do you creak? Or cry with emotion at the speeches of medical paths?
          2. Evil Tatar
            Evil Tatar 30 October 2011 16: 51 New
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            Quote: evgenm55
            Listen, henchman of the western lackeys, at least serve as a platoon butcher, plunge into the problems of troops, combat training, etc.

            Platoon?
            Words oath not forgotten? Or remind ...
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              Remind me ...
      2. Captan
        Captan 28 November 2011 09: 37 New
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        I support you, comrade !!!
    3. Yves762 28 October 2011 22: 21 New
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      By point, Kamrad, point by point !!!!
      Personally, I’ll add that to the heap our authorities destroyed the system of preparing military trained reserves and mobilizing them (take an interest in someone who is not scrap before criticizing, for example, with the work of local military registration and enlistment offices).
    4. esaul 29 October 2011 19: 53 New
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      Varnaga, at the root you see, mate!
  7. dimitriy 28 October 2011 17: 05 New
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    That's right, that’s the reality. But, I would like to ask this general - what the hell is ARMY silent about this? Is it possible that in the ARMY everyone who is older than a lieutenant is either pofuists or traitors? Is he one such honest general, or is there still ??? Then why do they allow such a clear betrayal of the interests of the country and people by the authorities?
  8. Velek 28 October 2011 17: 42 New
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    It’s scary to look at the army from the inside, tears come when comparing the military units consisting of the PEPSI generation contract soldiers in 2008, who were in Tskhinval, with the current conscripts of the unknown generation and officers who need nothing more than housing from the Russian Ministry of Defense, who survive . Those same soldiers who were laughed at 3-4 years ago now seem really professional. The quality of the new equipment delivered to the troops over the past two years is not that bad, it simply does not exist. The size of the DD officers and contractors decreased by 1,5 times, it is a fact! Down in a straight line. Only now the question WHY no one can answer, and it's scary to ask him.
  9. Ivan Tarasov 28 October 2011 17: 51 New
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    Question to the experts:
    Why, on the T-90M, was the antineutron breakdown removed?
    Is it not effective?
    1. gAMauzer
      gAMauzer 28 October 2011 18: 58 New
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      Rather, because nuclear weapons, for some reason, have ceased to be seen as a possible factor on the battlefield.

      Lonely lattices on a back part of a "skirt" will run into me more. Why only there?
      Or is it such lace underpants?
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 28 October 2011 20: 21 New
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        Lacy underpants - in the American fashion. In 95 I went to the Steel Research Institute, tried to convince me to make lattices on BT, but there was an "Armenian kingdom", they said that they knew better, and all of Chechnya was without extra. protection. Then the gratings began to use am. and br. in Iraq, and then copied.
        1. stalker
          stalker 28 October 2011 23: 21 New
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          And Soviet tankers in Berlin were welded onto tanks to protect against panzerfausts, so we are still the first)
          1. ESCANDER
            ESCANDER 30 October 2011 07: 54 New
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            Well, yes, and the last. Beds were also welded in Chechnya ...
  10. Strashila 28 October 2011 18: 19 New
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    The accents in the article are right ... collapse in all directions.
    What did China do during the crisis? ... correctly loaded up defense enterprises ... launched money inside the country to spin and as a result the first recovered. The GRU-Army-VPK link was destroyed. So, for example, the last tender in India for helicopters ... how the MI-28N was created ... correctly according to the technical specifications of the army ... at the tender we find out that India has high demands and Apache fits into their framework. Okay we learned this at the tender, and not during the battle, and now there is something to work on. There is no intelligence and as a result, our military does not imagine what they will encounter in reality on the battlefield, and not on paper.
    1. Valentin_V
      Valentin_V 28 October 2011 19: 41 New
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      And where does the General Staff look? It seems to me that we have not had it for a long time. Or MO crushed them for themselves?
  11. AleksUkr 28 October 2011 18: 19 New
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    Any performance of officers, generals can be presented as betrayal, violation of the oath. And the society is infatile. ; December will go to vote for the "Leader of the nation", that is, for the party of Putin, a member of which he is embarrassed to become. Poradoks. The non-partisan leader of the party. Even not funny.
  12. nickname bj
    nickname bj 28 October 2011 18: 41 New
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    Unmanned aerial vehicles can be produced in any garage ... What are they so worn about? What problems?
    1. Valentin_V
      Valentin_V 28 October 2011 19: 43 New
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      It’s easier to buy on the side, having received a rollback in your pocket.
      1. nickname bj
        nickname bj 28 October 2011 20: 30 New
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        Now, if only so ...
        1. Alexei 29 October 2011 17: 14 New
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          In a word - traders.
    2. PSih2097 29 October 2011 19: 38 New
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      Why in the garage, if you remember, there used to be model-making circles (the circle of a young terrorist), they can put together anything and weigh on it what the soul wants, moreover, of their own production.
  13. greycat
    greycat 28 October 2011 19: 17 New
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    "And, of course, such unmanned aerial vehicles can only be made in Israel (which the Israelis demonstrated during the last war in Lebanon, when they lost most of their Merkava tanks, which were considered invulnerable)." - Lieutenant General drives the purest water here. Sobolev, the losses were minimal due to the disgusting training of Lebanese militants.
    1. PSih2097 28 October 2011 20: 34 New
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      Losses are of two types: replenished (delayed and repaired) and not replenished (remelting), what are we talking about?
  14. Alexei 28 October 2011 19: 52 New
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    In general, what kind of x-coms are they doing in the army? In my understanding, the komersant is “man” - money. There’s a place near the wall. Money was spinning in the army and it’s not surprising that there were “people” there. It’s certainly cheaper to buy shit than to develop and to launch something worthwhile. There were misses, but basically Russia has always been famous for weapons, it’s very bad that now it is losing ground. There is some truth in the article.
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      SAVA555.IVANOV 3 November 2011 15: 00 New
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      This is exactly the merchants and clerks lead the army !!!! But it was always that way "lovers")) the army is led by some sort of "favorites")). And such hard workers, generals like Suvorov, are often in disgrace after all victories, an example with Budanov
  15. prunx
    prunx 28 October 2011 19: 55 New
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    Oooo, everything is so bad, it was so frightening that you have to run for the Communist Party to vote, otherwise everything is gone.
    1. Staff_
      Staff_ 28 October 2011 20: 31 New
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      And who to vote for? ;)
      1. prunx
        prunx 28 October 2011 21: 42 New
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        Well, if you are a patriot, then for the Patriots of Russia (so that advertising is not considered).
    2. PSih2097 28 October 2011 20: 36 New
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      I think it's time to start going to the shooting range, to restore skills ...
      1. Dock 28 October 2011 21: 38 New
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        And who will you shoot at?
        1. stalker
          stalker 28 October 2011 23: 23 New
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          In the photo of Serdyuk))
          1. AleksUkr 29 October 2011 18: 38 New
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            If it helped.
        2. PSih2097 28 October 2011 23: 25 New
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          on targets, including moving ones. One thing that always kills me is that we don’t know (we don’t remember), because most of them studied at the Soviet school, remember “when the upper classes don’t want and cannot” - what does it pour out ??? don't remember (don't know) open textbooks or wikis - read ...
      2. prunx
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        Just be careful not to get hurt.
        1. PSih2097 28 October 2011 23: 31 New
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          Just be careful not to get hurt.

          where and with what?
    3. evgenm55 29 October 2011 08: 26 New
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      You can vote at least for the Prince of Wales, if only he was a fan of Russia and its people, and did not work out Pindo salaries, but he didn’t buy a cottage in case of “evacuation.” The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is not only Zyuganov, but the Communist Party’s program is even 50% complete it will give a chance to restore independence to the country, and to the people-hope for the future / not slavish /.
  16. Jarserge 28 October 2011 21: 40 New
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    The leadership of the Ministry of Defense is “specialists” in pumping budget funds into personal pockets. As you know, requiring these people to love the Fatherland and doing something for it is useless
  17. Nachmed
    Nachmed 28 October 2011 21: 54 New
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    I agree, the article does not contradict the vision of the army from the inside. Why is everyone silent? You say, they will dismiss without a pension, an apartment, a profession, and most importantly, to no avail (is there any sense in the Gazprom manager complaining about the leadership?).
    1. PSih2097 28 October 2011 23: 32 New
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      they cannot be fired without an apartment, but without a salary they can be taken out of state - yes ...
    2. ESCANDER
      ESCANDER 30 October 2011 09: 18 New
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      Greetings to Nachmed.
      I don’t know about you, but our medicine soaked the crusts so that the entire regiment was laughing at the higher command.
      Situevina:
      The next district commission, the order of the secretive relocation. Nachmed takes a can of red paint and draws huge red crosses on his cars and sheets from the MPP. Dudes in papakhas hollow balls with binoculars and here the first “secretly” cars with huge crosses and flags appear at the appointed place ... Papakhs are satisfied, they noted with encouragement.
      Later I received a piston from the regiment for unmasking and thanks for the offset in part.
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        ESCANDER 30 October 2011 09: 43 New
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        Situevina No. 2:
        Having taken a sample from the medical alcohol, Nachmed and the NachMPP thought about the dullness of life and invited the regiment orchestra to the MPP, which (naturally, no one refused the alcohol) offered the best from its repertoire.
        Someone knocked the commander and he put forward for verification to confirm the fact.
        Recalling their fighting skills, the orchestra and the MPP staff retreated in Plastunsky and were not seen by the enemy ...
  18. Staff_
    Staff_ 28 October 2011 22: 56 New
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    not collapsed, but weakened!
    1. PSih2097 28 October 2011 23: 37 New
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      not collapsed, but weakened!

      collapsed ... we have covered air defense of 30% of the border, which can be said ...
  19. Net
    Net 28 October 2011 23: 25 New
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    I think it’s time to move on to the class struggle. Destroy "effective managers" as a class, in the bud. Wherever they go, in the defense industry, sports, science, culture, industry - there is collapse, amateurism, corruption. Young and not very people with porcelain smiles, trained in Western tests, programs and thinking that they understand something in this life, came to optimize the country. My God, the machinist is not a competent detective, solid optimizers around. Shoot as enemies of society and the state!
    1. prunx
      prunx 29 October 2011 09: 52 New
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      Whose will you be?
  20. Magadan 28 October 2011 23: 52 New
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    Netto! Well done, cool said, I personally neighing.
    All the same, in defense of our government, there is also something to say: During the operation in South Ossetia, our 10000 soldiers with our Russian weapons destroyed in 5 days 10000 Georgian soldiers with NATO and Ukrainian weapons, which NATO trained for 5 years. There was even an article by the American general, "The Russian Army easily got rid of the NATO army." Of course, for the whole world, and for many of us, "Greater Russia defeated little Georgia", but in fact there was no numerical superiority! There was no superiority in armament! So it's not so bad. But panic and depression are also not necessary, it’s just too early to draw conclusions.
    1. PSih2097 29 October 2011 00: 06 New
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      And if the rock tunnel had been blown up, how would the Airborne Forces with the Marines have to ...
      1. kosmos84 29 October 2011 00: 22 New
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        OR - 76 WHAT?
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          And anti-aircraft defense, or was it not?
          1. kosmos84 29 October 2011 00: 39 New
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            2 THE CIRCLE OF SECURITY 1 YOURSELF, (IN THE ARMY EXPLAINED!
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      Thanks Magadan! Finally, one adequate koment.
    3. evgenm55 29 October 2011 09: 02 New
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      Comrade, you are fundamentally not looking at the situation correctly: the troops in 2008 were not at all the same as in 2011. Then there was a division OSh, two-year-old guys served, but this is still a full course of combat training and moral !!! also. Further, commanders, battalion commanders / this was the main link / were from the Soviet school, all combat, experienced. They both won-by personal experience and organization and management. / they controlled units on mobile phones / Such a dashing battalion commander killed and sukashvili and K when he was evacuated from Tbilisi. Zamkomdiva caught up with the battalion already under Tbilisi itself and returned. The guys of Yamadayev’s battalion burned Georges in Tskhenvali — they left the city with the “flies” at night before the main forces arrived. Organization and management were already ruined , no corrections. The air defense system wasn’t opened, hence huge losses in aviation — exact data is still hidden. The 58th army’s equipment fell by 50% on the march. Etc etc., it’s not so simple, I’m still not affected 7 Guards. DShD, which came from the sea, through Abkhazia. If it weren’t for the quickness of the landing, the same is much in doubt ... But now almost all the commanders agree on one thing, if the situation in 2008 had developed in the present time and the state of the aircraft now, we would have improved in full. Such things, and this despite the fact that we are not parasites, panickers: you just have to be able to look at the situation realistically.
      And about repair and restoration of equipment now it’s not worth talking about. Personally, in September I was at an exhibition in Tagil / I have such an occupation /, I spoke with manufacturers, they have tears in their eyes ... Tagilchans say that dogs run around workshops in general . The shots have been kicked out for a long time. Collecting piece models, including the one by which Putin deigned to crawl -T-90s -one. The so-called Oboronservis OJSC, the chairman-serdyukov, crushed all defense repair plants that used to be part of the standard in MO, now privatized. All the old experienced management, which organized repair and maintenance, is now replaced by Moscow managers who distribute property and land, destroy and destroy factories / example: 5 TsARZ, the last / In general, also a complete ... . The general is right and writes the truth - I personally encounter this all the time. And what was silent before, maybe he’s just ripened now. Yes, and it makes no sense to beat Serdyukov’s face. He did it with the Airborne Commander-in-Chief, and he’s gone place. It’s necessary It’s not enough to remove, the only way abscesses are treated.
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    I haven’t even read the article! RUSSIANS DO NOT LOSE AND DO NOT GIVE UP!
  22. vlad61642
    vlad61642 29 October 2011 00: 13 New
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    The funny thing is that this general still quite softly described the problems, so those who are indignant at the decadent mood of the article remember that reality is much worse than what is written. The general, by virtue of his isolation from the lower layers of the army, himself does not know how bad everything is in parts Their commanders are more or less aware of this, and they never report the true state of affairs to their superiors. For 25 calendars I had to travel around parts of the district with checks and see the real state (I mean equipment and combat training). in order to show the minister the alarm output of the company had to collect 10 BMPs from the entire regiment, and mechanics took instructors-instructors in the next training camp (and this is a regiment of permanent BG). Once the Okrug ZV of the district decided to check out the division equipment for the alarm parks at the check - this was necessary The third part couldn’t leave, a lot of cars left on ropes and couplings, and I don’t say about time indicators, if only they left. And this is again part of A constant BG. And since the reports on the state of arms and military equipment for Moscow were a separate song, I brought a real help, so I was looked at by the Okrug ZV of the district like a fool - you say that you’ve lost your mind, give so many malfunctions, they won’t stroke us for it on the head, let's cross it out, this, etc. And you say the general is exaggerating, it's funny to read.
    1. prunx
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      They themselves have stolen, weep themselves? Moreover, they deceive the command, and Serdyukov is to blame. Do you yourself understand what you write? You have to give everyone under the tribunal there!
      1. ESCANDER
        ESCANDER 30 October 2011 08: 22 New
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        Serve - give.
        1. prunx
          prunx 30 October 2011 12: 29 New
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          Do you serve or hide?
          1. ESCANDER
            ESCANDER 30 October 2011 12: 41 New
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            I then served my own.
      2. Plead 22 January 2018 16: 02 New
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        Yellow Berets - Putin's New Army
        https://youtu.be/lQvTR7wwF3Q
        Channel Interesting Video
        Posted on: 1 aug. 2014
        Yellow Berets - Putin's New Army
        Recently, the whole world was surprised to see in action the new army of Putin, represented by yellow berets or green polite military men in the Crimea. Where did the funds for private military campaigns come from in Russia?
        Unable to defeat corruption, Putin had to lead it, and surrounding himself with bribes, he imposed a tribute and kickbacks on them. But unlike Yanukovych, Vladimir has a huge accumulated capital (worthy of remaining in history under the name "Tricky")
        spent not on family, but on secret rearmament of our army and navy,
        which backed by strategic weapons, is now the best in the world
    2. ESCANDER
      ESCANDER 30 October 2011 08: 18 New
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      Right! We also rode out on ropes.
      To the envy of many - I was the first to leave the park on the 66th, but the joy was short-lived, the brakes failed and rammed the car.
      Identity constant BG.
    3. vv1263os
      vv1263os 30 October 2011 20: 53 New
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      Painfully familiar situation.
  23. Cochetkov.serzh
    Cochetkov.serzh 29 October 2011 00: 17 New
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    If you look at the problem in general, it’s such nonsense, and it’s still mildly told to do everywhere. It’s not to hide and not to drown people see and hear, and everyone understands what insanity is ....


    from here the conclusion Allen Dulles left and the plan then works and continues to bear fruit
  24. sedoj 29 October 2011 01: 22 New
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    In fact, the shoemaker should stitch the boots, and bake the cakes with the pies. What does a civilian do in the armchair of the MO? I don’t understand. This time.
    Secondly: in the face of mortal danger, each counter will face a dilemma - but is my life worth the money that I get? If the idea itself, which is worth dying for, has disappeared in the army, this is no longer the army. This is a bunch of money recipients.
    1. evgenm55 29 October 2011 17: 06 New
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      Golden words. Only concepts: patriotism, duty, honor, HOMELAND is now almost swearing. And hucksters, thieves, prostitutes, clowns - ELITE ...
      FOR OUR SOVIET HOMELAND! FOR STALIN!
    2. AleksUkr 29 October 2011 19: 13 New
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      If they still paid money, they only promise. And who doesn’t have to pay, then pay. In Serdyukov’s head, how much he’ll fall into his pocket. And the contract soldiers, in the current attitude, will be the first to go into the woods. Patriotism is out of fashion now. It became contemptuous of those who wanted to serve. Yes, and conscripts - 200 thousand draft dodgers, and suddenly sick even more. The call began, but there was no one to call, although they almost halved the call. And the threat to Taburetkin’s commanders is to prevent service on the contract is more than 8-9 years old so as not to give apartments. So who will protect the country?
  25. Maksim
    Maksim 29 October 2011 06: 08 New
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    As I already wrote: if I had met with a fart from the Moscow Region, then I would revenge him, I would have screamed, and there wasn’t such a strong degradation in the army.
    1. prunx
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      It’s a pity that such military geniuses as you are out of work. Not fair.
    2. AleksUkr 29 October 2011 19: 16 New
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      It’s interesting - did you serve in the army, who, position, rank, etc. Usually they say, it’s good to be a strategist, waging a fight from the outside
  26. kostya
    kostya 29 October 2011 07: 18 New
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    and for a long time this perduk will ruin our army. Amersky henchman!
  27. esaul 29 October 2011 07: 51 New
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    The sad thing is that everyone becomes brilliant commanders and guardians of the Army, only after the resignation. And before that (right up to 2010!), He preferred to quietly, humbly agree on everything with the "top leadership", with the "collapse of the Army" and "exacerbate the problems of defense", etc., in order to wait for "years of service." Humanly, it’s understandable, but it’s still not worth the brave general to diligently “chop the womb” ahead of the election. The conclusion itself suggests itself: "The psychology of the general has not changed - the main thing is that he should sit on a suit ..." He doesn’t pull on a bison, like General Margelov or Rokhlin. I feel a bias in the general’s speech ... The tone of the speech cast me on such “reflections” - with a catch and some kind of gloating ... Sadly ...
  28. abzrais
    abzrais 29 October 2011 10: 21 New
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    The collapse of the army began in Yeltsin's times. Our helicopter regiment was reduced in 98. All the pilots marched through Afghanistan to Chechnya. They started from the most combat-ready regiment. Now they are just finishing the army. The generals themselves are to blame for this. I saw a lot of them for my service. Well, now, God forbid, gain 5-6 regiments of combat readiness. In his article, the general is right. Lack of land units 30-50%. Especially soldiers, sergeants, warrant officers. After 3-4 years, officers will not be enough. They destroyed the Air Force. They stopped preparing pilots. Av. They started to buy equipment. And who will fly on it. Blame Medvedev or Putin here. They just don’t get reliable information.
  29. mitrich
    mitrich 29 October 2011 10: 45 New
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    stav-politics.livejournal.com/125132.html
    "The former commander of the 58th army joined the Communist Party"
    As a result of the foregoing, it is not necessary to expect any positive feedback from Viktor Ivanovich Sobolev about the situation in the RF Armed Forces. After all, "Comrade General" "RISE" after 20 years of service in the Russian army, which was at the peak of its "power" + drank whiskey at diplomatic receptions in Delhi. Well, having reached the age limit and received a good pension, you can begin to fight for the interests of the people, opening their eyes to the "true state of things."
    Obviously, this defender of the Fatherland marks in deputies ...
    1. esaul 29 October 2011 19: 16 New
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      Mitrich, thanks for the info! Confirmed my suspicions about the "sick soul" general. And the fact that the “shadow of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation” stands behind him, he had little doubt that if someone “burns with the verb impartially” (even if everything is in chocolate), then this is the “defender of the oppressed” - KaPyRyFe. They oppress something without them - they pushed a little into the opposition - and, therefore, it is insulting a little bit. The same pies hotstsa ... Regards, esaul
  30. Professor 29 October 2011 10: 46 New
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    General entot still lives in the Soviet Union. If the whole country does not want to live in barracks or in closed cities, while giving 30% of GDP to the army, then everything is “around only traitors”. Uncle, the domestic defense industry is not capable, even with trillions of dollars and the political will of the leadership, to ensure the material needs of the army at 100%. But the reason is simple, Mikhalych is already retired, and the vocational schools did not prepare a replacement for him. Yes, and students are no longer studying engineers, but managers and lawyers.
    There is no alternative to the purchase of foreign equipment!
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 29 October 2011 10: 56 New
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      Just who, Russia will sell good to those very drone 20 years ago, which Israel removed from service
      1. Professor 29 October 2011 12: 00 New
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        It is no secret that Elbit is the leading UAV manufacturer in Israel. Russia decided to punish this company for cooperation with Georgia and did not even negotiate the purchase of UAVs there. IHMO, If not for these principles, then Russia would have had UAVs better.
        Now about what we bought: Bird-Eye 400, I-View MK150, Searcher Mk II (was introduced in the 1998 year). Not so old and junk. And most importantly, on their basis, the army will learn to use UAVs.
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          Insurgent 29 October 2011 14: 58 New
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          And where is this moment that on the max the layout was lined up would not
          worse than Israeli.

          And here the US Elbit is still not allowed
          sell a modern tank of Russia
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          That you are fixated on Israel.
          Let the Motherland call and I, by screwing the camera to a radio-controlled model of the aircraft, are ready to assist my long-suffering aircraft.
          Model available. The pilot is ready.
          Joke. Although who knows ...
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            The principle of UAVs is not so far from your device.
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  32. rekrut
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    Here is a man worthy of the post of Minister of Defense. In the meantime, those in power are more concerned about their own wallet, rather than the country's security.
    1. mitrich
      mitrich 29 October 2011 13: 49 New
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      rekrut,
      what is your interesting logic? Crap power - it means a decent man. Incidentally, he was not an ordinary conscript. He commanded the 58th army and the GVS in India was. As the Jews say: did you hear anything outstanding for him? Personally, I do not.
      And you read the article, and with the fist of women on the table - worthy of the Minister of Defense belay !!!
  33. Kyrgyz 29 October 2011 16: 49 New
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    Serdyukov damaged the system of general's feeders so they cry patriotism, sentenced a number of hopeless enterprises, squeezed prices to reduce kickbacks, somewhere he went too far, of course, but it was high time to shake the fat people in uniform and in some places where the loot was replaced by civilians, otherwise the loot and honor is not always compatible
    but don’t talk about the tank but the T90 is still a modification of the T72 is old and expensive, and after-sales service has always been our weak point
    1. esaul 29 October 2011 19: 22 New
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      I agree with you, comrade Kyrgyz! fellow
    2. Marat
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      I also heard that Serdyukov is working on Putin’s instructions as “looking” to cut money (too much money is allocated for rearmament — to give it to thieves without a controller) the generals (who are not the same Soviet — honest — but “reborn” as oligarchs in perestroika) plundered. Therefore, they say, and a terrible attack on Serdyukov - he is like a "suicide bomber" will perform an unpopular task and will resign. I don’t know the truth or rumors - but many high-ranking officials (just experts - experts on "cuts") hold such views

      I also liked the comic moment - I personally watched on TV - when President Medvedev gives him a direct instruction - and he answered - well, I don’t know - we must ask Putin
  34. r.anoshkin
    r.anoshkin 29 October 2011 17: 45 New
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    It’s all bullshit, the army has not existed for a long time, and in the 90s it wasn’t especially, and now even more so. One hope is a nuclear shield. Only if China trampled on all Kirdyk Far Easterners, because they will be beaten on the border territories. And the ground forces they won’t even get out of the parks, they won’t have time to get the equipment, and even ammunition must be loaded, and we always forget to put active armor, because the explosives there are still secret - not a single General from the first Chechen took responsibility for its installation. And where is the way out? A riot will not help-cops, VV-shnikov, MES-nicknames, UINovtsev and other vigilants of order already so much that not only the army, all the Russians are resting. So we put it in two holes and believe in a happy future.
    1. George
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      Absolutely at the top. All that can be ruined and stolen. There are more cops than the army twice, although there is no hope for them, they will scatter at the very first time. And about the weapon - it is, still Soviet. Pindos would not have killed their soldiers like our generals. Cruise missiles and point strikes. All this is possible with the will, knowledge and skill. Neither one nor the other. Officers were muzzled by inspections and horror stories about the deprivation of bonuses. Captains lie in poverty. The rest have the opportunity to poke. what they are successfully doing. Not before the war in general. True, not all of them are, but their minority is strong in spirit. I know, it was. I believe, otherwise why live?
  35. vlad61642
    vlad61642 29 October 2011 22: 41 New
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    Quote: prunx
    They themselves have stolen, weep themselves? Moreover, they deceive the command, and Serdyukov is to blame. Do you yourself understand what you write? You have to give everyone under the tribunal there!

    I understand that, but you probably live on the moon, you look at the world in sunglasses. I came up with a tribunal, don’t make fun. It was Serdyukov, and in principle the previous MOs, who created a situation where it’s beneficial not to know the real situation, because then I’m thinking of taking some measures, and so I looked that I showed (that they started cleaning and painting a month before the visit) and said that everything was fine. Serdyukov is not to blame? Have you ever seen him in the army, and indeed such visits? This infection got out in the middle of the parade ground, stood for about 40 minutes, the minister didn’t even go to the headquarters, not like a canteen, a training ground, etc. People were expelled from the barracks to the fields, the canteen was closed - they wrote a major overhaul. - he walked around, listened to what the commander was singing to him, then said that it was time to go to the district headquarters for lunch. But then it was reported to the media - the defense minister was working in the garrison. It took a million to prepare one checkpoint, prepared posters, drove out the equipment for the training ground, classes show yes only to whom it is necessary. That's where the money goes inexorably. Now all the real work in the army it was replaced by the preparation of pieces of paper: reports, reports, work plans. Whoever has all the papers in place is well done, and no one will ask him for the state of affairs. And if everything is fine with you, but there is no work plan of some kind, they will tell you that you’re a loafer. And it’s not the military officers who came up with this order, but from the very top, including the Moscow Defense Forces, these instructions follow. And here is some clever lunatic about the tribunal. Who will give himself up to the tribunal.

    Quote: esaul
    Serdyukov damaged the system of general's feeders so they cry patriotism, sentenced a number of hopeless enterprises, squeezed prices to reduce kickbacks, somewhere he went too far, of course, but it was high time to shake the fat people in uniform and in some places where the loot was replaced by civilians, otherwise the loot and honor is not always compatible

    Serdyukov didn’t hurt anything, he redirected part of the flow from the pockets of the generals to the pockets of the new managers, and I think he didn’t forget himself. So Serdyukov and honor are incompatible.
    1. vlbelugin 31 October 2011 19: 55 New
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      A three-story educational building was built in the 80s in the regiment.
      Since he was the first such corps with us, they decided to conduct classes with the Commander-in-Chief of the Strategic Missile Forces with us. Well, as always by storm. They worked in three shifts around the clock without naturally forgetting about combat duty, outfits and other delights of the Strategic Missile Forces combat regiment.
      Here in the third division, the captain plowed like a devil, but a big BUT. How will smoke - the regiment commander. And the clever ensign took a hammer in his hands and walks in parts without once banging them. What do you think - meeting. The regiment commander bugs the captain in the tail and in the mane, and the ensign sets an example of industriousness.
      So it's a regiment. And in the country, the army?
      Nae .... whether they will always nae ... unfortunately until only the platoon and not the people in the district who are responsible for the supply of spare parts or such a general will be responsible for the repair.
      When he took stripes and stars from a stool, he looked into his eyes, and now you can pee ... t.
      I know that in the army heh ... in and without him. I DO NOT BELIEVE him.
  36. mind1954
    mind1954 30 October 2011 03: 52 New
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    When Vasily Aksyonov returned from the USA, he was at the very first
    meeting with readers said: Well, how can you respect the army,
    whose officers wear such caps. Even that shocked him.
    but our officers are not. Therefore, they got up and get up with them
    anything. It all starts with the kokoshniks on the head.
  37. zavesa01
    zavesa01 30 October 2011 11: 12 New
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    I completely agree with vlad 61642 I was asked knowledge l / s before, now they ask plans and every year there are more and less practice plans. Briefings and instructions that they bring us are written in my opinion by comedians. Example: "when leaving the quartic, look through the peephole; if the staircase is not lit do not go out, call the neighbors and let them go out." "If you go with your wife (bride, girlfriend) and are pestering you. Run away with a quick, athletic step, breaking away from the hooligans, call the police." What are pearls? This work is called "Memo ....................."
  38. wow
    wow 30 October 2011 12: 11 New
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    It is not a matter for the general, even a “retired," to whine in this way and make statements "for the press" in that tone.
  39. Evil Tatar
    Evil Tatar 30 October 2011 17: 23 New
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    Look, guys ...
    In 2009, the main criteria of the Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation were actively discussed in the "net" ...
    Then Patrushev very often gave interviews to our and other journalists ...
    It seems, as a keepsake, even the press conference was ...

    In 2010, the Doctrine was adopted. Hooray!
    For memory ... In your own words ...
    - The accumulation, concentration of military groups near the borders of the Russian Federation and / or friendly border states - a preventive nuclear strike against the group ...
    - The emergence of local military conflicts in states bordering the Russian Federation - a preventive nuclear strike on the territory of the conflict;
    - Preventive nuclear strike on a country that provoked a local conflict.
    Tell me if I'm wrong ...
    If not, it turns out that it’s especially worth spending “grandmothers” in order to prove TAM to someone that WE are seriously preparing for a nuclear war, it makes no sense ... THEY TAM know, if anything, then the Army has incomprehensible things to us, and if we stick up, then there will be nothing left for them, how to beat up the strategic nuclear forces.
    And for this, a person must be in power - the Leader!
    And how to know for sure? After all, serious topics are made without hype ...
    One thing is being rubbed into us (the army is ruined, etc.), but in reality, the plans are different ...
    And if that, then drop the rubber bomb ............................. (For the sake of a joke!)
  40. sazhka
    sazhka 31 October 2011 11: 08 New
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    WE DO NOT HAVE AN ARMY ... WE DO NOT HAVE A COUNTRY ... There are 2 "modernizers" ... See MOVIES "ELECTION DAY"
    1. Evil Tatar
      Evil Tatar 31 October 2011 12: 38 New
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      Sasha, do not drive ...

      Yeah, two modernizers and opposition leaders hungering for power and money ...

      The modernizers have somehow changed the order a little bit, but they don’t want to share power ...

      We urgently need to give power to the new liberals (who were right-wingers in the 90s) and let them finish what they could not finish in the late 90s.
      Here we make fun with them for the last time ...

      And about the CINEMA, Sasha, drop the link ...
      I would like to see on what sites you are polishing the political truth.
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    A real general would either crash a stool or not bother about problems after service ... they moved away from the dough and it’s boiling.
  42. sedoj 31 October 2011 22: 50 New
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    Speaking of "Military Secret" from 29.11. - something cool rolled I.Prokopenko on the Moscow Region.
    What is it for?
  43. sweetheart
    sweetheart 1 November 2011 10: 57 New
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    Why is the state-of-the-art technology with all its super powers, if the main component called upon to control it, that is, the soldier is called up for ONE year? Well, you can’t teach a mechanic how to intelligently drive a T-90 tank in a year. For the year it is impossible to prepare an intelligent operator of any communication station or serif. In a year, one can only teach the infantryman to deploy from pre-battle order to battle, followed by a stupid death for his homeland.
  44. KILLAvolt 1 November 2011 14: 40 New
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    "The fish rots from the head" - no wonder it is said! MedvePut and EDRO - go to yuh and do not destroy us !!! Or ... We will tear you !!!
    1. Plead 22 January 2018 16: 01 New
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      Yellow Berets - Putin's New Army
      https://youtu.be/lQvTR7wwF3Q

      Channel Interesting Video
      Posted on: 1 aug. 2014
      Yellow Berets - Putin's New Army
      Recently, the whole world was surprised to see in action the new army of Putin, represented by yellow berets or green polite military men in the Crimea. Where did the funds for private military campaigns come from in Russia?
      Unable to defeat corruption, Putin had to lead it, and surrounding himself with bribes, he imposed a tribute and kickbacks on them. But unlike Yanukovych, Vladimir has a huge accumulated capital (worthy of remaining in history under the name "Tricky")
      spent not on family, but on secret rearmament of our army and navy,
      which backed by strategic weapons, is now the best in the world
  45. zavesa01
    zavesa01 1 November 2011 15: 38 New
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    Maybe I don’t understand something, but what kind of nuclear weapons can be discussed at all. In the modern world, wars begin for colonies and resources, no one needs the smut with the consequences of the use of nuclear weapons. All this plays in my opinion the role of deterrence no more. America has already shown the principle of modern wars: locality and lightning speed with the support of their opposition-hostile policies. Now Caucasians are obsessed with ecology. In addition, 20 years ago it was already proved that the use of nuclear weapons is collective suicide.
  46. Phobia 2 November 2011 03: 55 New
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    zavesa01,
    I completely agree. The old principle is “Divide and rule”, and, I note, not only the opposition in the country itself, but also the neighboring countries.
  47. zavesa01
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    And the United States has been actively using it recently, and here on the site there are many who agree to surrender the country with giblets
  48. Sorry 7 November 2011 20: 30 New
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    Comrade officers! Where are you? If it’s so bad, and it’s so, we hear from you, why are you silent? Well, read something about honor, about protecting your homeland and other books and films. Stop walking in cattle, we are not feeding you for that. Today the president announced a 2,5-fold increase in your salaries, but for what? The worse we are, those who work and actually produce the product? You just need to disperse you for your unscrupulousness. You are ordinary marginalized people, nor anything officer in you. What cops are idlers then you are the same.
    1. Vladimir S
      Vladimir S 18 November 2011 11: 29 New
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      I can’t help but respond to this heartbreaking cry of the soul of a bona fide taxpayer. I will not go down to your level and go on insults. I’ll just advise you to think with your head. The one on your shoulders. You feed us, yes. But we protect you. If it weren’t for the "loafers" of the officers, as you were heating up, then you would be a slave to some kind of Angican now. Or a German. Or a Czech.
      Such things are written precisely by those people who at one time were slanted from the army. But they would have served a little, got acquainted with the army life not in films, but in real life, then it would not have crossed my mind to write such offensive words.
      As for the cops-loafers are also wrong. If your daughter is raped in the gateway, where will you run? Or robbing, and you’ll get a scoop? (Just don’t need to write that you are a 6th dan karate master or a ZMS in sambo).
      Try to be responsible for your words. Apparently not run up yet. Then with this approach, you still have everything ahead.
  49. Mai
    Mai 8 November 2011 16: 59 New
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    Which officers are you contacting now? That's right - they added hawks, they build new stalls. All the wayeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ...
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    Discussion uninteresting about the main thing no one says anything. The article itself was written by a general who served well in good places (then, of course, the mess in the army suited him — if he was silent), but after having served everything that is supposed to, you can now go on, as they used to say with a degree of contempt in the Soviet Army and become a “journalist”. Somehow it’s not officer-like it turns out. There are historical methods and protest methods in the army, but as I understand it, everyone is happy with this mess system because basically there are the cries of those who “I shot from AKSU, in the Stalker, sucks” and they themselves they don’t understand what they’re carrying. If you don’t straighten the situation, then in the next conflict, God forbid, the army will wash itself with blood and with it the country and God forbid that RUSSIAN generals appear in it and not RUSSIAN
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      I agree, not in Sobolev, as such, the matter — maybe it really just came to mind and soul, maybe it took a little more comfortable, time will tell ... It’s the case with the troops — don’t they understand that there will be no next “victorious war”?