Russian general: The army is collapsed, and NATO understands this ...

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Russian general: The army is collapsed, and NATO understands this ...On the eve of the elections, our President and Supreme Commander Dmitry Medvedev and the “national leader” Vladimir Putin have attended to including the state of the army and the military-industrial complex of the country and assure the trustful citizens of Russia that they will do everything so that our Armed Forces meet modern requirements and timely received new weapons and military equipment.

The Russian media controlled by the government and the president have actively joined these assurances. So, in the final program on NTV on October 9, with Kirill Pozdnyakov the whole news the block was dedicated to the military department of Russia. Prepared by NTV correspondent Alexei Pobortsev. And I must say, he did everything possible to smooth out the sharp corners and problems of the Armed Forces and the military-industrial complex that have accumulated over the years of reform, while promoting our “national leader” Vladimir Putin, who this time personally tested the command and control system tank T-90S from the commander’s place in the tower.

The car is good in all respects: modern communication and navigation system, additional electromagnetic protection of the armored hull, automatic transmission, rear-view camera; the tank is equipped with a complex of guided missiles with a target range of up to 5000 m; according to experts, he has good export prospects, but ... he will not be supplied to the Russian army.

It turns out that our Ministry of Defense is waiting for a fundamentally new model of the tank, the development of which is supposed to be completed by the 2015 year. This is despite the fact that the Defense Ministry refused from the previously developed T-95. Its prototypes were made and passed factory tests - that's all. And therefore, according to the statement of the First Deputy Minister of Defense A. Sukhorukov, it is planned to modernize the Soviet X-NUMX tanks of the T-70: “the price-quality ratio suits the Defense Ministry.” The fact that the facilities of Uralvagonzavod, the last Russian plant capable of producing modern tanks, will stand idle, is not important for our Ministry of Defense.

New Russian tank T-90MS "Tagil"

The matter is further aggravated by the fact that the export prospects of our armored vehicles as a result of the activities of the previous First Deputy Minister of Defense V. Popovkin are very vague. In 2010, Mr. Popovkin gave the mass media the most negative characteristic of our military-industrial complex, assessed almost all samples of our weapons and military equipment as outdated and unpromising, which actually hit all our military-technical cooperation with foreign countries. (Who will buy outdated weapons of military technology?). Mr. Popovkin was urgently transferred to another position - to the “Russian Space”, after which all of our missiles began to fall. I cannot connect all the failures of our space industry directly with the name of Mr. Popovkin, but the fact remains.

“The military does not just want to order new tanks and aircraft,” says A. Pobortsev, “we need modern combat systems and combat control systems.” And what does this mean, military observer V. Litovkin explains to the gullible Russian layman: “The tank must be connected with an unmanned aerial vehicle. He must transmit the coordinates of the target to the tank. And the rocket projectile must be brought to the target and adjusted drone».

How this will happen in practice, I, as a military man, cannot imagine. Unmanned aerial vehicles can really be of great help in reconnaissance of targets, but areal: artillery and anti-aircraft batteries, command posts and communications centers, areas of various reserves; they can be used to adjust artillery and volley fire systems from closed firing positions. But finding a single masked target for a tank (tank or anti-tank gun, anti-tank guided missile in a firing position) using a drone and adjusting the fire of a tank gun can only come to a military observer who has never served in the army.

And, of course, such unmanned aerial vehicles can be manufactured only in Israel (which the Israelis demonstrated during the last war in Lebanon, when they lost most of their Merkava tanks that were considered invulnerable).

By the way, the military itself has long been ordering nothing. For them, it is done by completely different people - “effective” civilian managers who have never served in the army, but much better than the military who know financial flows.

The military observer is complemented by another “major military specialist” - Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, who justified the need to purchase unmanned aerial vehicles in Israel. Next came the rationale for the purchase of "Mistral" in France, sniper rifles in England. Moreover, A. Pobortsev agreed that the sighting range of our SVD sniper rifle, it turns out, is three times smaller and is only 500 m. Well, how can you be so ignorant in military affairs and prepare a military program ?!

“Today the Ministry of Defense has money,” continues A. Pobortsev, “therefore sometimes more expensive foreign samples are purchased for the army. Soon our motorized infantrymen will ride on IVECO Italian armored vehicles. ” True, they are inferior in maneuverability and maneuverability to domestic Tiger armored vehicles, but surpass them in armor protection (our Ministry of Defense doesn’t bother about the fact that it was they who ordered the machines with such a level of protection). At the international exhibition of weapons in Nizhny Tagil, the Italian armored car could not overcome the obstacles that easily obeyed the "Tigra".

Russian armored car "Tiger"


But like a military man, I have a question: why do we need armored cars for our motorized infantry riders? After all, these are not battlefield vehicles, nor ours, let alone Italian armored vehicles, will overcome an elementary trench without bridges installed through it in advance, not to mention weapons.

Military observer V. Litovkin justified the rejection of the purchase of Kalashnikov assault rifles: “Of course, the“ Kalashnikov ”professional soldier is not suitable. Because the AK has a flaw: one or two bullets go to the target, the rest are going to the side like a fan. ” But this is peculiar to everything, without exception, automatic rifle arms and depends largely on the skill of the shooter. Such a “professional” critic.

As if with regret, A. Pobortsev states that as yet not all types of weapons for the Russian army can be bought abroad, for example, the anti-ship missile X-35. Western partners today will not sell anything similar or more modern to Russia.

The only sober idea in this program was expressed by B. Obnosov, Director General of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation: “If we expect that someone will sell modern samples on a serial scale, this is nonsense. Everyone is rooting for their security, and we are not so close friends with all our competitors to sell us good weapons. ” Everyone is sick for their safety, except for our Ministry of Defense, unfortunately. As for the “good weapons”, I think that this fully applies to the “Mistrals”, and to the IVECO, and to the English sniper rifles, and to Israeli unmanned aerial vehicles.

And one more very important point. In the course of the reforms, we have eliminated the army system of technical maintenance and troop repair of weapons and military equipment. It is assumed that this will deal with the commercial structure "Oboronservis" and representatives of manufacturers. Arms and military equipment purchased abroad will also be serviced and repaired by representatives of foreign firms in the military, or what?

The First Deputy Minister of Defense easily and naturally substantiated the disruption of the state defense order this year. It turns out that the officials of the Ministry of Defense demanded that the enterprises of the military industrial complex substantiate the prices for all the components, including the screws, in detail. Therefore, most contracts were concluded only by October. Well, who is to blame? Of course, the military-industrial complex enterprises themselves. But it seems to me that if the president had not suddenly remembered about the state defense order, no one would have concluded contracts this year. Interestingly, did the money allocated by the budget for the purchase of weapons and military equipment, all this time lay a dead weight?

Speaking of prices. Is it not known to Mr. Sukhorukov that after paying all taxes, the MIC enterprises have only half of the amount allocated to them (half is returned to the state)? But that is not all. A tidbit of "defense pie" goes to bankers in the form of interest on loans. After all, the allocated money never goes to enterprises on time, and you have to take loans, such is the policy of our Ministry of Finance. And then there are intermediary firms arranging various tenders, for some reason the Ministry of Defense does not work directly with military-industrial complex enterprises. And, of course, the corruption component.

Here are how many problems that need to be addressed at the level of the Ministry of Defense, and not count on the 9 months, how many screws are worth. From really big money (20 trillions to 2020 of the year), our military-industrial complex will receive mere crumbs. But instead, the Ministry of Defense decided to order weapons and military equipment abroad.

So, what do we have today?

This year's defense order is off. Chronic underfunding, or, as this year, its almost complete absence, has led to the fact that the country's military-industrial complex is degrading and rapidly losing the ability to produce new, modern weapons and military equipment. In order for new designs to appear, it is necessary to provide advanced financing for research and development, R & D, and they are generally funded on a residual basis. Non-production enterprises lose skilled workers and engineers, whose training takes many years.

And this situation in our military-industrial complex has developed largely due to the purposeful policy in the field of the state defense order of our own Ministry of Defense. Do not the president and our “national leader” see and understand this? And if they see, why not take any action?

The situation in the Armed Forces is even worse. It is believed that we have a millionth army, as Mr. Sukhorukov recalled in this program. Let's count together. There are 150 thousand officers in the army, there are no warrant officers at all, they were liquidated. According to the civilian chief of the State Medical University V. Smirnov, in the army and on navy 184 thousand contractors are serving. Total 334 thousand, which means that the remaining 666 thousand people are military servicemen. But so many simply did not call. Moreover, conscripts serve not only in the army and navy, of the total number drafted, up to 30% serve in the internal troops, border guards, units of the Ministry of Emergencies, and in the presidential regiment, finally. This means that there is a huge shortage in the army and navy, and it will only grow. The autumn appeal is planned to be reduced by almost 2 times. More than 200 thousand citizens, according to the same Smirnov, are evading military service. The spring call lasts until September, and the fall - until March. The troops are only engaged in the fact that continuously, throughout the year, small groups admit young soldiers to their ranks, organize solo training with them and try to equip units. At the same time, the process of dismissal is also ongoing. Under these conditions, there can be no question of any high-quality staffing of units. What are these parts of constant combat readiness?

Therefore, NATO military analysts are pleased to note that as a result of the reforms carried out, the Armed Forces of Russia are not able to more successfully solve tasks even in local conflicts, “The Russian army does not have enough vehicles to transport troops over long distances, does not have enough planes and pilots who can fly in any weather, there is no single information system. The army lacks soldiers ... "

The Russian army is collapsed, NATO understands this, but in the leadership of the country?

Lieutenant-General Viktor Ivanovich Sobolev 23 was born on February 1950, in Krasnodar. He graduated from the Baku Higher Combined-Arms Command School, Military Academy named after M.V. Frunze and the Military Academy of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces. He passed positions from the commander of a motorized rifle platoon to deputy army commander. From 2002 of the year - Deputy Commander of the UGV (s) in the North Caucasus. 2003-06 Commander 58-th Army of the North Caucasus Military District.
Since 2006, the main military adviser to the Russian Embassy in India. Left post after reaching the maximum age in December 2010 of the year.
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  1. Alex63
    +55
    28 October 2011 16: 08
    I want to ask our ruling tandem: how long will Serdyukov lead the Ministry of Defense? Until there is only one memory left from the Russian army? He will ruin the state’s defense. For all that he did not shoot him, hang him a little? Was if he were an officer, he would advise him to put a bullet in his forehead.
    1. +37
      28 October 2011 16: 27
      As generals retire, they begin to cut the truth, and only one acting person could give Serdyukov in the snout and could - As General Shamanov said a few days later: "Our troops are beating fast and hard." The brawler was quickly dismissed with the wording "by length of service", and if they were properly swept aside, then who would keep such a disgraced
      1. Cross
        +5
        28 October 2011 23: 20
        "the truth-womb" ... gentlemen generals, maybe stop whining, eh? "bloody Pu and Co are destroying Russia", "corruption", blah blah blah ... Honestly, I'm tired of listening to this. Reforms, tb. military, do not pass "painlessly". And if you want "everything at once and perfectly", then I advise you to go down to our sinful land ... And pilling is everywhere, so no need to dramatize.

        Vadivak +1
        1. +1
          29 October 2011 02: 34
          Correctly. Do not whine, but stir up the coup, as in Chile 40 years ago.
          1. drinkins
            +7
            29 October 2011 11: 44
            they won’t give, now there is a rearmament of riot police, which protects the top, and then they FSU.
          2. +18
            29 October 2011 19: 34
            How do you want people like you, uhalus, for the putsch to break out, for the blood to pour down like a river, so that scum breaks into houses and can rob, rape, kill ...! Brave you are timid, however! Such a trash has always been enough, at all times and, always, when it came to "suriezu", they always preferred to pull chestnuts out of the fire by someone else's hands. Anarchy and unscrupulousness are your ideals and aspirations. Minus you, you are a fiery agitator ...
            1. Evil Tatar
              +6
              30 October 2011 16: 42
              I agree, dear Esaul!
    2. His
      +19
      28 October 2011 16: 58
      Serdyukov is a comedian. And the Army is not a commerce, this is our country. A country is always judged by its Army or its relation to a military unit. We will save on armaments, we will save territories, these territories will simply be taken apart. A large number of people wanting to replenish the size of their countries
      1. 0
        22 January 2018 14: 20
        “SERDYUKOV” OPERATION IS THE BIGGEST GEOPOLITICAL SUCCESS OF RUSSIA AT THE BEGINNING OF THE XXI CENTURY

        http://www.iarex.ru/articles/51971.html
        Why is Serdyukov not sitting?
        August 29 2015
        First, a little chronology.

        1996 year. Operation Jihad was an assault on Grozny by units of Chechen fighters in the month of August, during which they took control of most of the city. Chechen detachments also attacked and captured other major cities of the republic - Argun and Gudermes. After this, the shameful Khasavyurt agreements were concluded, putting an end to the first Chechen war.

        2008 year. The five-day war, during which the Georgian-trained and well-equipped army was defeated. It should be borne in mind that the forces of the parties directly involved in this war were approximately equal in number and armament (about 18-20 thousand soldiers on each side of the sides, approximate equality in tanks and armored vehicles). In aviation, the Russian Federation had a serious superiority, but the fate of the war was decided by land waxes. A brilliant military victory without any reservations in a record short time. The Israelis, shoved off the podium with their seven-day war, smoke offendedly aside.

        2014 year. Crimea is part of Russia without a single shot.

        What has changed since the end of the last century and where did Russia get a new beautiful army from, if we take the ground forces and air defense, then the best in the world at the moment (in terms of aviation and naval power - the undoubted second in the world).
    3. zczczc
      +25
      28 October 2011 17: 31
      Alex63Yes, he does not lead anything. He simply voices the decisions of a group of analysts whose composition we will never know. And the group, as such, did not suck out the reform strategy itself from the finger, it simply clearly indicated the direction of reform.

      Serdyukov, of course, is a mediocrity, but he was simply put so that his "hand would not tremble" when he would cut something alive. He cuts as ordered.
      1. Alex63
        +5
        29 October 2011 05: 15
        We will never know the names of analysts. The CIA does not surrender its names.
      2. 0
        22 January 2018 14: 19
        “SERDYUKOV” OPERATION IS THE BIGGEST GEOPOLITICAL SUCCESS OF RUSSIA AT THE BEGINNING OF THE XXI CENTURY

        http://www.iarex.ru/articles/51971.html
        Why is Serdyukov not sitting?
        August 29 2015
        First, a little chronology.

        1996 year. Operation Jihad was an assault on Grozny by units of Chechen fighters in the month of August, during which they took control of most of the city. Chechen detachments also attacked and captured other major cities of the republic - Argun and Gudermes. After this, the shameful Khasavyurt agreements were concluded, putting an end to the first Chechen war.

        2008 year. The five-day war, during which the Georgian-trained and well-equipped army was defeated. It should be borne in mind that the forces of the parties directly involved in this war were approximately equal in number and armament (about 18-20 thousand soldiers on each side of the sides, approximate equality in tanks and armored vehicles). In aviation, the Russian Federation had a serious superiority, but the fate of the war was decided by land waxes. A brilliant military victory without any reservations in a record short time. The Israelis, shoved off the podium with their seven-day war, smoke offendedly aside.

        2014 year. Crimea is part of Russia without a single shot.

        What has changed since the end of the last century and where did Russia get a new beautiful army from, if we take the ground forces and air defense, then the best in the world at the moment (in terms of aviation and naval power - the undoubted second in the world).
    4. +5
      28 October 2011 18: 32
      Serdyukov simply did not find the best game of "strategy", she so forgets him
    5. Lexeich
      +10
      28 October 2011 20: 35
      where does Serdyukov? Let's call a spade a spade. Putin and K%, with our connivance, are successfully doing what their masters did not have time to do in 1917 and 1941 (yes, and in the 41st). Their goal has long been voiced - the complete destruction of state infrastructure. http://blog.kp.ru/users/sergey_vdv/post125528617/
      1. +5
        29 October 2011 18: 37
        In the words before the elections, the national leader and non-partisan Putin stands for the army, but at the same time he is trying to pull EdRo out of the swamp, that party of officials who are pulling the country into the auxiliary USA.
      2. 0
        24 January 2018 19: 03
        And what do you eat in a ruined state? Have you forgotten that the USSR fell apart from hunger?
    6. kesa1111
      0
      28 October 2011 22: 44
      For this, he was entangled and set. Himself steals with 3 hands, and therefore is not enough for the army. Yes, even relatives with him, and the FSB, and the guards ... and they all steal. And what these bastards overlooked - ederasty in the wings.
    7. kesa1111
      0
      28 October 2011 22: 46
      For this, he was entangled and set. Himself steals with 3 hands, and therefore is not enough for the army. Yes, even relatives with him, and the FSB, and the guards ... and they all steal. And what these bastards overlooked - ederasty in the wings.
    8. kesa1111
      +13
      28 October 2011 22: 54
      For this, he was entangled and set. Himself steals with 3 hands, and therefore is not enough for the army. Yes, even relatives with him, and the FSB, and the guards ... and they all steal. And what these bastards overlooked - ederasty in the wings.
    9. +6
      28 October 2011 23: 04
      Alex63,
      I join these words! Even in open meetings, rallies are held against the Stools and all on x ... .As long as the father-in-law in the government, the son-in-law will work. From both there is only one collapse.
      1. Alex63
        +1
        29 October 2011 05: 17
        My namesake appeared.
    10. +8
      29 October 2011 02: 33
      And what does Serdyuk have to do with it, after all? He is a doll who was given to steer and cash in. The main scoundrels are taller. This is their course. They will remove Serdyuk when everyone gets tired of him and put another, even worse. So it was in medicine: there was Zurabov, who stopped and destroyed everything that somehow worked, he was finally kicked out, and Golikova turned out to be even worse. Only not everyone knows about this, they think, because she is not "advertised" as this biologist-animal technician. Everything needs to be changed system basically! Just who and how to do it?
      1. 0
        22 January 2018 14: 21
        “SERDYUKOV” OPERATION IS THE BIGGEST GEOPOLITICAL SUCCESS OF RUSSIA AT THE BEGINNING OF THE XXI CENTURY

        http://www.iarex.ru/articles/51971.html
        Why is Serdyukov not sitting?
        August 29 2015
        First, a little chronology.

        1996 year. Operation Jihad was an assault on Grozny by units of Chechen fighters in the month of August, during which they took control of most of the city. Chechen detachments also attacked and captured other major cities of the republic - Argun and Gudermes. After this, the shameful Khasavyurt agreements were concluded, putting an end to the first Chechen war.

        2008 year. The five-day war, during which the Georgian-trained and well-equipped army was defeated. It should be borne in mind that the forces of the parties directly involved in this war were approximately equal in number and armament (about 18-20 thousand soldiers on each side of the sides, approximate equality in tanks and armored vehicles). In aviation, the Russian Federation had a serious superiority, but the fate of the war was decided by land waxes. A brilliant military victory without any reservations in a record short time. The Israelis, shoved off the podium with their seven-day war, smoke offendedly aside.

        2014 year. Crimea is part of Russia without a single shot.

        What has changed since the end of the last century and where did Russia get a new beautiful army from, if we take the ground forces and air defense, then the best in the world at the moment (in terms of aviation and naval power - the undoubted second in the world).
    11. dim
      dim
      +2
      11 November 2011 09: 02
      good question
  2. jamert
    +1
    28 October 2011 16: 13
    Attention! You do not have permission to view hidden text.


    Most? Well, according to what data?
    1. Tjumenec72
      +14
      28 October 2011 16: 26
      As part of the AOI ground forces in Lebanon during the Second Lebanon War, forces from 5 armored brigades operated (some of them were not in full force) - a total of about 400 tanks (more accurate figures are also given, for example, 370). The 7th regular and 847th reservist brigades were armed with Merkava Mk.2 tanks, the 188th regular and 434th reservist brigades were armed with Mk.3 Mk. 401, and the 4th regular brigade were equipped with the latest Merkava Mk.200 .100. In addition, in Lebanon, up to 9 heavy Akhzarit heavy armored personnel carriers were used, a number of Nagmakhon and Nakpadon heavy armored personnel carriers, up to 700 units of engineering equipment (Puma heavy armored personnel carriers and D113 bulldozers) - a total of about XNUMX tanks, heavy BTR and bulldozers. Ordinary armored personnel carriers (for example, MXNUMX) were not used in Lebanon, unarmored vehicles were used extremely limited.
      Hezbollah fighters widely used various anti-tank weapons against anti-tank bomber AOI, including anti-tank missiles, RPGs and high-explosive bombs, which included hundreds of kg of explosives. Part of the BTT was damaged and even lost forever.
      • 45 tanks were hit by ATGMs and RPG grenades, in total 51 missiles hit the tanks.
      • In 24 cases (47% of the number of hits), the cumulative jet pierced the armor of the tanks, apparently in 3 cases out of these 24, the ammunition detonated in the tanks.
      • In total, about 60 BTT units received combat damage, incl. 48-52 tanks. 5 tanks were irretrievably lost - 3 from ATGM hits (one each by Merkava Mk.2, Mk.3 and Mk.4) and 2 from land mine explosions (one each by Merkava Mk.2 and Mk.4).
      • 31 fighters of the armored forces were killed, incl. 30 tankers. In addition, 4 more soldiers died from ATGM hits in the BTT - 3 in D9 bulldozers and 1 in the Puma heavy armored personnel carrier.
      • Tanks "Merkava", especially the latest Mk.4, showed excellent resistance to combat defeats. On average, 1 tanker died in each tank whose armor was pierced, and the ammunition, apparently, detonated in only 3 tanks out of 24 pierced.

      Something like that
      1. ytqnhfk
        +1
        28 October 2011 16: 50
        An article from the Communist Party’s website. Isn't everything else clear?
        1. dmb
          +16
          28 October 2011 17: 36
          And what's the difference on whose website the article is? If it does not correspond to the truth, clearly refute it. And hanging labels is unwise.
          1. ytqnhfk
            +1
            28 October 2011 23: 24
            It's not about labels! It's about the election race that's all, but I will not refute anything, since I don’t like to engage in boltology, but the Communist Party on the site has only cries of how everything is bad and who is to blame, but I DIDN'T SEE NORMAL PROPOSALS ON EXITING THE "CRISIS" did not try!
            1. dmb
              +10
              28 October 2011 23: 37
              Well, let’s put it. if you read the programs of the EP and the Communist Party, the latter just have specifics, but in the EP program there really is one boltology without real implementation mechanisms.
              1. +4
                28 October 2011 23: 39
                But in the EP program there really is one boltology without real implementation mechanisms.

                they earn money ...
              2. ytqnhfk
                +2
                28 October 2011 23: 44
                I didn’t go to ep at all! And so everything is visible! I tend to not believe anyone, since everyone in the past crap, sir!
        2. Alex63
          +12
          29 October 2011 08: 55
          It is unclear what the Communist Party has to do with it. If Serdyukov destroys our defenses and destroys the army, if Golikova has failed healthcare and social services, if Nurgaliev has muddied the Interior Ministry that even a hundred reforms will not be enough to restore order there, if planes fall, steamers sink, and Levitin it has nothing to do with it, if Fursenko is experimenting on schoolchildren and students, if bankers steal money that they have not earned (Kostin must be put in prison, but he was given an order), to this can be added the management of Rosneft and Gazprom, which are selling natural resources belonging to the Russian people to themselves loved ones are paid such bonuses and bonuses that a simple hard worker even in the best dream will not dream, here you can also add the storyteller Chubais, who buys diode bulbs from the Chinese, shoves them in his packaging and presents them as nanotechnological lamps developed under his strict guidance that can serve a little Is it not forever. What, in all this mess and lawlessness, the Communist Party is to blame? If politicians, officials, police officers who have committed crimes manage to evade criminal punishment, is this also the intrigues of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation? All of whom were mentioned above are members of the "leading and guiding". And all the lawlessness that is happening in the country is visible to the naked eye. Only our tandem, apparently, have pink glasses in front of their eyes, plus they all, apparently, apart from the Comedy Club and Our Rasha, do not watch anything and read nothing but Rossiyskaya Gazeta ...
          1. +3
            14 November 2011 16: 00
            Thank! The names of all the watchdogs destroying the army and the country are named and correctly named, but only to judge them, or at least to drive out not talking heads, but thinking ones. All the reforms that were started and financed by the oil and gas bill were empty, thoughtless undertakings: military, police, education, health care, and pension, .... and and and ..... What they achieved besides showing a stormy appearance , almost revolutionary, activities of the ruling party: the Vienna ruined the army, left it without modern weapons (sold over a hill), but instead of tanks it provided badminton rackets, instead of missile rackets, instead of physical training badminton toys.!
          2. 0
            21 March 2017 09: 18
            six years have passed ... and what has changed ???
            1. 0
              10 December 2017 09: 29
              A lot of things! Especially in the capacity of the army ...
  3. Tjumenec72
    +3
    28 October 2011 16: 18
    Again, another article, “Everything was lost,” and the saddest thing is that it was supposedly written on behalf of the general.
    Well, what is there to rub in vain - ELECTION!
    Now, if he’s so smart, at least he would throw a “recept” (in the subject, it’s kind of like a man).
    For this, they generally shot before (
    1. +2
      14 November 2011 16: 04
      So you, Tyumenets, are preparing for the elections, but we thought you were worried about your homeland ?!
  4. svvaulsh
    +12
    28 October 2011 16: 20
    Bravo General! We also understand this. But where did the idiots come from that belittled the dignity of domestic developments and praised second-rate imports? And most importantly, make decisions !!!
    1. +5
      28 October 2011 16: 23
      Langley, Virginia of course, or island / french fosterlings
      1. svvaulsh
        +13
        28 October 2011 16: 32
        I think everything is easier. These Pokémon are concerned about the well-being of their pockets, and not about the security of their homeland, which they perceive as a business project for earning green papers.
    2. +5
      28 October 2011 18: 12
      They emerged from a cohort of successful managers and tax officials, such as the valiant "warrior and commander" Serdyukov. The tandem now cares about the VS problem. The main thing that follows from almost all their PR statements is that EdRo should get a constitutional majority, and no less. Remember the defense order - Medvedev set the task, Putin knocked on the table, Serdyukov put his hand to his empty head, Ivanov reported. These are all the answers to the questions posed, and all, or almost all, generals who did not quite agree with the military policy of our political and military leadership were dismissed under various pretexts. And the one who gave it in the face - remember - more of his insult than a blow to the face with a palm before the officers did not have. A blow with a fist - an equal enemy, or outrageous.
    3. +1
      14 November 2011 16: 10
      From the bowels of the ruling class !!! Therefore, there are no contracts on time, because we have our own defense industry on the side — there is no gain without mediation, so we will play badminton with Serdyukov until the budget money for the development of the enemy defense industry disappears - you have to pay a lot of money for shit, which means there will be more!
  5. Motherland
    +8
    28 October 2011 16: 36
    Eh, we all remember a rather sensational article on the rally for Serdyukov’s resignation, at least on this site, but we didn’t see it anywhere ...
    And I think I even advise Serdyukov to really shoot himself a bullet in the forehead, or let him shoot a bullet to anyone else, and generally advise it to all United Russia members and oligarchs, every resident of the United States.
    1. +9
      28 October 2011 18: 13
      Only an officer who respects his honor can put a bullet in his forehead.
      1. Motherland
        +4
        28 October 2011 20: 07
        Well then, I advise the above soap and the rope.
        1. +4
          28 October 2011 20: 31
          I think I even advise Serdyukov to really shoot himself a bullet in the forehead, or let him shoot a bullet to anyone else, but generally advise it to all United Russia and oligarchs, every resident of the United States.

          Better Kohl is a courageous and unusual means of suicide, or, like a samurai, make yourself a seppuku, without further chopping off your head, so that you would suffer longer ...
          1. Motherland
            +1
            28 October 2011 21: 28
            Yes, we wish a lot that we can not wish to happen, because these people really deserve it all.
  6. -9
    28 October 2011 17: 00
    Another Communist Party courtesan, no?
    The article itself, this is a complete paragraph, that not a word, then a frank distortion, attribution and blatant lies.
    If this dude would have been at the appropriate age, if possible he would have personally pleased everyone, but alas.
    1. Ivan35
      -7
      28 October 2011 19: 07
      I support Varnaga! It looks like another denigration!
      1. Sazhka
        +2
        4 November 2011 15: 01
        We used to serve for the COUNTRY and now for Berezovsky or Abramovich
    2. prunx
      0
      28 October 2011 20: 30
      Why are you allowing yourself that ?! How dare you say such things against true patriots (tm), these honest, unyielding fighters against the hated regime, for the interests of working people all over the world. Be ashamed.
      1. -2
        28 October 2011 21: 18
        Oh, how ashamed, a chunk of matzo choked (glory to Gd, not like Choi) smile
        1. +5
          29 October 2011 08: 20
          Listen, henchman of the western lackeys, at least serve as a platoon butcher, plunge into the problems of troops, combat training, etc. and then open your mouth point by point: refute if there is anything. From people like you who have seen enough Medveputovsky advertising, the circles diverge - the result: poisonous chatter ...
          1. -1
            29 October 2011 19: 58
            Where are such quick and experienced platooners fostering? Probably at monthly courses, as during the years of the Second World War? You can immediately see the patriot - furious to the grinding of teeth! wink
            1. +1
              2 November 2011 09: 23
              What, interestingly, do you creak? Or cry with emotion at the speeches of medical paths?
          2. Evil Tatar
            0
            30 October 2011 16: 51
            Quote: evgenm55
            Listen, henchman of the western lackeys, at least serve as a platoon butcher, plunge into the problems of troops, combat training, etc.

            Platoon?
            Words oath not forgotten? Or remind ...
            1. +1
              2 November 2011 09: 24
              Remind me ...
      2. Capture
        0
        28 November 2011 09: 37
        I support you, comrade !!!
    3. +4
      28 October 2011 22: 21
      By point, Kamrad, point by point !!!!
      Personally, I’ll add that to the heap our authorities destroyed the system of preparing military trained reserves and mobilizing them (take an interest in someone who is not scrap before criticizing, for example, with the work of local military registration and enlistment offices).
    4. -2
      29 October 2011 19: 53
      Varnaga, at the root you see, mate!
  7. +6
    28 October 2011 17: 05
    That's right, that’s the reality. But, I would like to ask this general - what the hell is ARMY silent about this? Is it possible that in the ARMY everyone who is older than a lieutenant is either pofuists or traitors? Is he one such honest general, or is there still ??? Then why do they allow such a clear betrayal of the interests of the country and people by the authorities?
  8. +11
    28 October 2011 17: 42
    It’s scary to look at the army from the inside, tears come when comparing the military units consisting of the PEPSI generation contract soldiers in 2008, who were in Tskhinval, with the current conscripts of the unknown generation and officers who need nothing more than housing from the Russian Ministry of Defense, who survive . Those same soldiers who were laughed at 3-4 years ago now seem really professional. The quality of the new equipment delivered to the troops over the past two years is not that bad, it simply does not exist. The size of the DD officers and contractors decreased by 1,5 times, it is a fact! Down in a straight line. Only now the question WHY no one can answer, and it's scary to ask him.
  9. +1
    28 October 2011 17: 51
    Question to the experts:
    Why, on the T-90M, was the antineutron breakdown removed?
    Is it not effective?
    1. gAMauzer
      +1
      28 October 2011 18: 58
      Rather, because nuclear weapons, for some reason, have ceased to be seen as a possible factor on the battlefield.

      I will get more lonely bars on the back of the "skirt". Why only there?
      Or is it such lace underpants?
      1. Volkhov
        +1
        28 October 2011 20: 21
        Lace panties - American fashion. In 95 he went to the Research Institute of Steel, tried to convince them to make grates on BT, but there was an "Armenian kingdom", they said that they knew better, and the whole of Chechnya was without additional. protection. Then the gratings were used by Am. and br. in Iraq, and then copied.
        1. stalker
          +2
          28 October 2011 23: 21
          And Soviet tankers in Berlin were welded onto tanks to protect against panzerfausts, so we are still the first)
          1. ESCANDER
            +1
            30 October 2011 07: 54
            Well, yes, and the last. Beds were also welded in Chechnya ...
  10. +8
    28 October 2011 18: 19
    The accents in the article are right ... collapse in all directions.
    What did China do during the crisis? ... correctly loaded up defense enterprises ... launched money inside the country to spin and as a result the first recovered. The GRU-Army-VPK link was destroyed. So, for example, the last tender in India for helicopters ... how the MI-28N was created ... correctly according to the technical specifications of the army ... at the tender we find out that India has high demands and Apache fits into their framework. Okay we learned this at the tender, and not during the battle, and now there is something to work on. There is no intelligence and as a result, our military does not imagine what they will encounter in reality on the battlefield, and not on paper.
    1. Valentin_V
      +2
      28 October 2011 19: 41
      And where does the General Staff look? It seems to me that we have not had it for a long time. Or MO crushed them for themselves?
  11. +8
    28 October 2011 18: 19
    Any statement by officers and generals can be presented as a betrayal, violation of the oath. And society is infattile. ; December will go to vote for the "Leader of the Nation", that is, for Putin's party, of which he is ashamed to become a member.
  12. nickname bj
    +9
    28 October 2011 18: 41
    Unmanned aerial vehicles can be produced in any garage ... What are they so worn about? What problems?
    1. Valentin_V
      +5
      28 October 2011 19: 43
      It’s easier to buy on the side, having received a rollback in your pocket.
      1. nickname bj
        +3
        28 October 2011 20: 30
        Now, if only so ...
        1. +2
          29 October 2011 17: 14
          In a word - traders.
    2. +1
      29 October 2011 19: 38
      Why in the garage, if you remember, there used to be model-making circles (the circle of a young terrorist), they can put together anything and weigh on it what the soul wants, moreover, of their own production.
  13. gray cat
    0
    28 October 2011 19: 17
    "And, of course, such unmanned aerial vehicles can only be made in Israel (which the Israelis demonstrated during the last war in Lebanon, when they lost most of their Merkava tanks, which were considered invulnerable)." - Lieutenant General is driving the purest water bullshit here Sobolev, losses were minimal due to the disgusting training of the Lebanese militants.
    1. +2
      28 October 2011 20: 34
      Losses are of two types: replenished (delayed and repaired) and not replenished (remelting), what are we talking about?
  14. +4
    28 October 2011 19: 52
    What x-- do comers do in the army? In my understanding, comersant is a "man" - money. Their place is at the wall. In the army, money is spinning, and therefore it is not surprising that "people" appeared there. It is certainly cheaper to buy shit than to develop and There were mistakes, but basically Russia has always been famous for weapons, it's very bad that now it is losing ground. There is some truth in the article.
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      0
      3 November 2011 15: 00
      It is as if the merchants and salesmen are in charge of the army !!!! But it has always been that "lovers")) the army is led by some "favorites")). And such hard workers, commanders like Suvorov, are often in disgrace after all victories, an example with Budanov
  15. prunx
    -5
    28 October 2011 19: 55
    Oooo, everything is so bad, it was so frightening that you have to run for the Communist Party to vote, otherwise everything is gone.
    1. Staff_
      +3
      28 October 2011 20: 31
      And who to vote for? ;)
      1. prunx
        -6
        28 October 2011 21: 42
        Well, if you are a Patriot, then for "Patriots of Russia" (so that advertising is not considered).
    2. +6
      28 October 2011 20: 36
      I think it's time to start going to the shooting range, to restore skills ...
      1. +1
        28 October 2011 21: 38
        And who will you shoot at?
        1. stalker
          +2
          28 October 2011 23: 23
          In the photo of Serdyuk))
          1. +2
            29 October 2011 18: 38
            If it helped.
        2. +3
          28 October 2011 23: 25
          on targets, including moving ones. One thing always kills me, we don’t know (we don’t remember), because here the majority studied in the Soviet school, remember “when the top officials don’t want and cannot” - what does it mean ??? don't remember (don't know) open tutorials or wiki - read ...
      2. prunx
        -4
        28 October 2011 21: 47
        Just be careful not to get hurt.
        1. 0
          28 October 2011 23: 31
          Just be careful not to get hurt.

          where and with what?
    3. +3
      29 October 2011 08: 26
      You can vote at least for the Prince of Wales, if only he was rooting for Russia and its people, and did not work off the Pindo salaries, and did not buy over the hillock in case of "evacuation". The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is not only Zyuganov, but the program of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is even 50% fulfilled will give a chance to return independence to the country, and hope to the people for the future / not slavish /.
  16. +2
    28 October 2011 21: 40
    The leadership of the Ministry of Defense are "specialists" in pumping budget funds into personal pockets. As you understand, demanding from these people to love the Motherland and to do something for it is useless
  17. Nachmed
    +3
    28 October 2011 21: 54
    I agree, the article does not contradict the vision of the army from the inside. Why is everyone silent? You say, they will dismiss without a pension, an apartment, a profession, and most importantly, to no avail (is there any sense in the Gazprom manager complaining about the leadership?).
    1. +1
      28 October 2011 23: 32
      they cannot be fired without an apartment, but without a salary they can be taken out of state - yes ...
    2. ESCANDER
      0
      30 October 2011 09: 18
      Greetings to Nachmed.
      I don’t know about you, but our medicine soaked the crusts so that the entire regiment was laughing at the higher command.
      Situevina:
      The next district commission, the order of the secretive relocation. Nachmed takes a can of red paint and draws huge red crosses on his cars and sheets from the MPP. Dudes in papakhas hollow balls with binoculars and here the first “secretly” cars with huge crosses and flags appear at the appointed place ... Papakhs are satisfied, they noted with encouragement.
      Later I received a piston from the regiment for unmasking and thanks for the offset in part.
      1. ESCANDER
        0
        30 October 2011 09: 43
        Situevina No. 2:
        Having taken a sample from the medical alcohol, Nachmed and the NachMPP thought about the dullness of life and invited the regiment orchestra to the MPP, which (naturally, no one refused the alcohol) offered the best from its repertoire.
        Someone knocked the commander and he put forward for verification to confirm the fact.
        Recalling their fighting skills, the orchestra and the MPP staff retreated in Plastunsky and were not seen by the enemy ...
  18. Staff_
    0
    28 October 2011 22: 56
    not collapsed, but weakened!
    1. +1
      28 October 2011 23: 37
      not collapsed, but weakened!

      collapsed ... we have covered air defense of 30% of the border, which can be said ...
  19. Net
    Net
    +5
    28 October 2011 23: 25
    I think it's time to move on to the class struggle. Destroy "effective managers" as a class, at the root. Wherever they come, in the defense industry, sports, science, culture, industry - there is collapse, amateurism, corruption. Young and not so people with porcelain smiles, trained on Western tests, programs and thinking that they understand something in this life, have come to optimize the country. My God, you can't find a literate machine operator, solid optimizers around. Shoot them as enemies of society and the state!
    1. prunx
      -4
      29 October 2011 09: 52
      Whose will you be?
  20. +4
    28 October 2011 23: 52
    Netto! Well done, cool said, I personally neighing.
    All the same, in defense of our government, there is also something to say: During the operation in South Ossetia, our 10000 soldiers with our Russian weapons destroyed 5 Georgian soldiers in 10000 days, with NATO and Ukrainian weapons, who were trained by NATO for 5 years. There was even an article by the American general "The Russian Army easily got rid of the NATO-style army." Of course, for the whole world, and for many of us, "Big Russia defeated little Georgia", but in fact there was no numerical superiority! There was no superiority in armament! So it's not that bad. And it is also not necessary to induce panic and depression, it is just too early to draw conclusions.
    1. +2
      29 October 2011 00: 06
      And if the rock tunnel had been blown up, how would the Airborne Forces with the Marines have to ...
      1. +1
        29 October 2011 00: 22
        OR - 76 WHAT?
        1. +1
          29 October 2011 00: 25
          And anti-aircraft defense, or was it not?
          1. 0
            29 October 2011 00: 39
            2 THE CIRCLE OF SECURITY 1 YOURSELF, (IN THE ARMY EXPLAINED!
    2. 0
      29 October 2011 00: 24
      Thanks Magadan! Finally, one adequate koment.
    3. +8
      29 October 2011 09: 02
      Comrade, you fundamentally do not look at the situation correctly: the troops in 2008 are not at all the same as in 2011. Then there was a divisional OShS, two-year-old guys served, and this is still a full course of combat training and moral !!! Further, the commanders, the battalion commanders / this was the main link / were of the Soviet school, all combat, experienced. They won by personal experience and organization and management. / controlled units by mobile phones / Such a dashing battalion commander scared Sukashvili and K to death and scared he was evacuated from Tbilisi. The Zamkomdiva caught up with the battalion just outside Tbilisi and returned. In Tskhenvali, the Georgians were burned by the guys of Yamadayev's battalion - they went into the city at night with "flies" before the main forces arrived. And the organization and management - already then, there was no communication , no adjustments. The air defense system was not opened, hence the huge losses in aviation, the exact data are still hidden. The equipment of the 58th Army collapsed by 50% even on the march. Etc., etc., not everything is so simple, I also did not affect the 7th Guards. DShD, which entered from the sea, through Abkhazia. If it were not for the agility of the landing, the same thing is in question ... But now almost all the commanders agree on one thing - if the situation in 2008 had developed at the present time and the state of the Armed Forces now, we would have Such is the case, and this despite the fact that we are not parazhensky panikers: you just have to be able to look at the situation in real life.
      And it's not worth talking about the repair and restoration of equipment now. Personally, in September I was at an exhibition in Tagil / my occupation /, I spoke with manufacturers, they have tears in their eyes ... Tagil residents say that in general, dogs run around the shops .Frames have been kicked out for a long time. Collecting piece models, including the one that Putin deigned to crawl -T-90s -one. The so-called "Oboronservice" JSC, chairman-Serdyukov, crushed all defense repair plants that used to be part of in the Moscow region, are now privatized.All the old experienced management, which organized both repair and maintenance, has now been replaced by Moscow managers who distribute property and land, shred and destroy factories / example: 5 CARZ, the last / In general, also complete p ... c .General is right and writes the truth - I personally face this constantly. And that I was silent before, maybe it’s just now ripe. And it makes sense to beat Serdyukov’s face, he’s nobody. The head of the Airborne Forces Evtukhovich did –– but he didn’t achieve what he did, but this shit place. We must cor It can be removed, this is the only way the abscesses are treated.
  21. +1
    29 October 2011 00: 02
    I haven’t even read the article! RUSSIANS DO NOT LOSE AND DO NOT GIVE UP!
  22. vlad61642
    +9
    29 October 2011 00: 13
    The funny thing is that this general still quite softly described the problems, so those who are indignant at the decadent mood of the article remember that reality is much worse than what is written. The general, by virtue of his isolation from the lower layers of the army, himself does not know how bad everything is in parts Their commanders are more or less aware of this, and they never report the true state of affairs to their superiors. For 25 calendars I had to travel around parts of the district with checks and see the real state (I mean equipment and combat training). in order to show the minister the alarm output of the company had to collect 10 BMPs from the entire regiment, and mechanics took instructors-instructors in the next training camp (and this is a regiment of permanent BG). Once the Okrug ZV of the district decided to check out the division equipment for the alarm parks at the check - this was necessary The third part couldn’t leave, a lot of cars left on ropes and couplings, and I don’t say about time indicators, if only they left. And this is again part of A constant BG. And since the reports on the state of arms and military equipment for Moscow were a separate song, I brought a real help, so I was looked at by the Okrug ZV of the district like a fool - you say that you’ve lost your mind, give so many malfunctions, they won’t stroke us for it on the head, let's cross it out, this, etc. And you say the general is exaggerating, it's funny to read.
    1. prunx
      -9
      29 October 2011 10: 03
      They themselves have stolen, weep themselves? Moreover, they deceive the command, and Serdyukov is to blame. Do you yourself understand what you write? You have to give everyone under the tribunal there!
      1. ESCANDER
        +3
        30 October 2011 08: 22
        Serve - give.
        1. prunx
          -6
          30 October 2011 12: 29
          Do you serve or hide?
          1. ESCANDER
            +3
            30 October 2011 12: 41
            I then served my own.
      2. 0
        22 January 2018 16: 02
        Yellow Berets - Putin's New Army
        https://youtu.be/lQvTR7wwF3Q
        Channel Interesting Video
        Posted on: 1 aug. 2014
        Yellow Berets - Putin's New Army
        Recently, the whole world was surprised to see in action the new army of Putin, represented by yellow berets or green polite military men in the Crimea. Where did the funds for private military campaigns come from in Russia?
        Unable to defeat corruption, Putin had to lead it, and surrounding himself with bribes, he imposed a tribute and kickbacks on them. But unlike Yanukovych, Vladimir has a huge accumulated capital (worthy of remaining in history under the name "Tricky")
        spent not on family, but on secret rearmament of our army and navy,
        which backed by strategic weapons, is now the best in the world
    2. ESCANDER
      +1
      30 October 2011 08: 18
      Right! We also rode out on ropes.
      To the envy of many - I was the first to leave the park on the 66th, but the joy was short-lived, the brakes failed and rammed the car.
      Identity constant BG.
    3. vv1263os
      +1
      30 October 2011 20: 53
      Painfully familiar situation.
  23. Kochetkov.serzh
    +1
    29 October 2011 00: 17
    If you look at the problem in general, it’s such nonsense, and it’s still mildly told to do everywhere. It’s not to hide and not to drown people see and hear, and everyone understands what insanity is ....


    from here the conclusion Allen Dulles left and the plan then works and continues to bear fruit
  24. +6
    29 October 2011 01: 22
    In fact, the shoemaker should stitch the boots, and bake the cakes with the pies. What does a civilian do in the armchair of the MO? I don’t understand. This time.
    Secondly: in the face of mortal danger, each counter will face a dilemma - but is my life worth the money that I get? If the idea itself, which is worth dying for, has disappeared in the army, this is no longer the army. This is a bunch of money recipients.
    1. +3
      29 October 2011 17: 06
      Golden words. Only concepts: patriotism, duty, honor, HOMELAND is now almost swearing. And hucksters, thieves, prostitutes, clowns - ELITE ...
      FOR OUR SOVIET HOMELAND! FOR STALIN!
    2. +1
      29 October 2011 19: 13
      If they still paid money, they only promise. And who doesn’t have to pay, then pay. In Serdyukov’s head, how much he’ll fall into his pocket. And the contract soldiers, in the current attitude, will be the first to go into the woods. Patriotism is out of fashion now. It became contemptuous of those who wanted to serve. Yes, and conscripts - 200 thousand draft dodgers, and suddenly sick even more. The call began, but there was no one to call, although they almost halved the call. And the threat to Taburetkin’s commanders is to prevent service on the contract is more than 8-9 years old so as not to give apartments. So who will protect the country?
  25. Maksim
    +2
    29 October 2011 06: 08
    As I already wrote: if I had met with a fart from the Moscow Region, then I would revenge him, I would have screamed, and there wasn’t such a strong degradation in the army.
    1. prunx
      -5
      29 October 2011 07: 22
      It’s a pity that such military geniuses as you are out of work. Not fair.
    2. +2
      29 October 2011 19: 16
      It’s interesting - did you serve in the army, who, position, rank, etc. Usually they say, it’s good to be a strategist, waging a fight from the outside
  26. kostya
    +2
    29 October 2011 07: 18
    and for a long time this perduk will ruin our army. Amersky henchman!
  27. +3
    29 October 2011 07: 51
    The only sad thing is that everyone becomes brilliant commanders and guardians of the Army only after resignation. And before that (right up to 2010!), He preferred to quietly agree in everything with the "top leadership", with the "collapse of the Army" and "aggravate the problems of defense capability," etc., in order to wait for "years of service." Humanly, it is understandable, but nevertheless it is not worth the gallant general to "cut the truth" so diligently on the eve of the elections. The conclusion in itself suggests itself: "The general's psychology has not changed - the main thing is" That the suit was sitting ... "He doesn’t pull a bison, such as General Margelov or Rokhlin. One can feel the general’s involvement in his speech ... The tone of his speech pushed me to such" reflections "- with a trick and some kind of gloating ... Sad ...
  28. abzrais
    +3
    29 October 2011 10: 21
    The collapse of the army began in Yeltsin's times. Our helicopter regiment was reduced in 98. All the pilots marched through Afghanistan to Chechnya. They started from the most combat-ready regiment. Now they are just finishing the army. The generals themselves are to blame for this. I saw a lot of them for my service. Well, now, God forbid, gain 5-6 regiments of combat readiness. In his article, the general is right. Lack of land units 30-50%. Especially soldiers, sergeants, warrant officers. After 3-4 years, officers will not be enough. They destroyed the Air Force. They stopped preparing pilots. Av. They started to buy equipment. And who will fly on it. Blame Medvedev or Putin here. They just don’t get reliable information.
  29. mitrich
    +1
    29 October 2011 10: 45
    stav-politics.livejournal.com/125132.html
    "Former commander of the 58th Army joined the Communist Party of the Russian Federation"
    As a result of the above, there is no reason to expect any positive feedback from Viktor Ivanovich Sobolev about the state of affairs in the RF Armed Forces. After all, "Comrade General" "RIGHT" after 20 years of service in the Russian army, which was at the peak of its "power" + drank whiskey at diplomatic buffets in Delhi. Well, having reached the age limit and received a good pension, you can begin to fight for the interests of the people, opening their eyes to the "true state of affairs."
    Obviously, this defender of the Fatherland marks in deputies ...
    1. -3
      29 October 2011 19: 16
      Mitrich, thanks for the info! Confirmed my suspicions about the "sick at heart" general. And the fact that there was a "shadow of the Communist Party" behind him, he had almost no doubt - if someone "burns with a verb impartially" (even if everything is in chocolate), then this is the "defender of the oppressed" - KapyRyFe. They oppress without them - they pushed a little into the opposition - and, therefore, a little offensive. Same hozza pies ... Regards, esaul
  30. 0
    29 October 2011 10: 46
    General entot still lives in the Soviet Union. If the whole country does not want to live in barracks or in closed cities, while giving 30% of GDP to the army, then everything is "only traitors around." Uncle, the domestic military-industrial complex is not capable, even with trillions of dollars and the political will of the leadership, to provide 100% of the material needs of the army. And the reason is simple, Mikhalych is already retired, and the vocational school has not prepared a replacement for him. And more and more students are not studying engineers, but managers and lawyers.
    There is no alternative to the purchase of foreign equipment!
    1. Insurgent
      +1
      29 October 2011 10: 56
      Just who, Russia will sell good to those very drone 20 years ago, which Israel removed from service
      1. +2
        29 October 2011 12: 00
        It is no secret that Elbit is the leading UAV manufacturer in Israel. Russia decided to punish this company for cooperation with Georgia and did not even negotiate the purchase of UAVs there. IHMO, If not for these principles, then Russia would have had UAVs better.
        Now about what we bought: Bird-Eye 400, I-View MK150, Searcher Mk II (was introduced in the 1998 year). Not so old and junk. And most importantly, on their basis, the army will learn to use UAVs.
        1. Insurgent
          +1
          29 October 2011 14: 58
          And where is this moment that on the max the layout was lined up would not
          worse than Israeli.

          And here the US Elbit is still not allowed
          sell a modern tank of Russia
        2. +1
          31 October 2011 20: 09
          That you are fixated on Israel.
          Let the Motherland call and I, by screwing the camera to a radio-controlled model of the aircraft, are ready to assist my long-suffering aircraft.
          Model available. The pilot is ready.
          Joke. Although who knows ...
          1. +2
            31 October 2011 22: 37
            The principle of UAVs is not so far from your device.
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  32. recruit
    -2
    29 October 2011 13: 43
    Here is a man worthy of the post of Minister of Defense. In the meantime, those in power are more concerned about their own wallet, rather than the country's security.
    1. mitrich
      +1
      29 October 2011 13: 49
      recruit,
      what is your interesting logic? Crap power - it means a decent man. Incidentally, he was not an ordinary conscript. He commanded the 58th army and the GVS in India was. As the Jews say: did you hear anything outstanding for him? Personally, I do not.
      And you read the article, and with the fist of women on the table - worthy of the Minister of Defense belay !!!
  33. +3
    29 October 2011 16: 49
    Serdyukov damaged the system of general's feeders so they cry patriotism, sentenced a number of hopeless enterprises, squeezed prices to reduce kickbacks, somewhere he went too far, of course, but it was high time to shake the fat people in uniform and in some places where the loot was replaced by civilians, otherwise the loot and honor is not always compatible
    but don’t talk about the tank but the T90 is still a modification of the T72 is old and expensive, and after-sales service has always been our weak point
    1. +1
      29 October 2011 19: 22
      I agree with you, comrade Kyrgyz! fellow
    2. Marat
      +3
      1 November 2011 21: 03
      I also heard that Serdyukov is working on Putin's instructions as "overseers" for cutting money (too much money is allocated for rearmament - so that they can be given to thieves without a controller) generals (who are no longer the Soviet ones - honest - but "reborn" as oligarchs in perestroika) are not plundered. Therefore, they say, and a terrible attack on Serdyukov - he, as it were, a "suicide bomber" will carry out an unpopular task and resign. I do not know the truth or rumors - but many high-ranking officials (just specialists - experts on "sawing") adhere to such views

      I also liked the comic moment - I personally watched on TV - when President Medvedev gives him a direct instruction - and he answered - well, I don’t know - we must ask Putin
  34. r.anoshkin
    +1
    29 October 2011 17: 45
    It’s all bullshit, the army has not existed for a long time, and in the 90s it wasn’t especially, and now even more so. One hope is a nuclear shield. Only if China trampled on all Kirdyk Far Easterners, because they will be beaten on the border territories. And the ground forces they won’t even get out of the parks, they won’t have time to get the equipment, and even ammunition must be loaded, and we always forget to put active armor, because the explosives there are still secret - not a single General from the first Chechen took responsibility for its installation. And where is the way out? A riot will not help-cops, VV-shnikov, MES-nicknames, UINovtsev and other vigilants of order already so much that not only the army, all the Russians are resting. So we put it in two holes and believe in a happy future.
    1. George
      0
      7 November 2011 19: 24
      Absolutely at the top. All that can be ruined and stolen. There are more cops than the army twice, although there is no hope for them, they will scatter at the very first time. And about the weapon - it is, still Soviet. Pindos would not have killed their soldiers like our generals. Cruise missiles and point strikes. All this is possible with the will, knowledge and skill. Neither one nor the other. Officers were muzzled by inspections and horror stories about the deprivation of bonuses. Captains lie in poverty. The rest have the opportunity to poke. what they are successfully doing. Not before the war in general. True, not all of them are, but their minority is strong in spirit. I know, it was. I believe, otherwise why live?
  35. vlad61642
    +3
    29 October 2011 22: 41
    Quote: prunx
    They themselves have stolen, weep themselves? Moreover, they deceive the command, and Serdyukov is to blame. Do you yourself understand what you write? You have to give everyone under the tribunal there!

    I understand that, but you probably live on the moon, you look at the world in sunglasses. I came up with a tribunal, don’t make fun. It was Serdyukov, and in principle the previous MOs, who created a situation where it’s beneficial not to know the real situation, because then I’m thinking of taking some measures, and so I looked that I showed (that they started cleaning and painting a month before the visit) and said that everything was fine. Serdyukov is not to blame? Have you ever seen him in the army, and indeed such visits? This infection got out in the middle of the parade ground, stood for about 40 minutes, the minister didn’t even go to the headquarters, not like a canteen, a training ground, etc. People were expelled from the barracks to the fields, the canteen was closed - they wrote a major overhaul. - he walked around, listened to what the commander was singing to him, then said that it was time to go to the district headquarters for lunch. But then it was reported to the media - the defense minister was working in the garrison. It took a million to prepare one checkpoint, prepared posters, drove out the equipment for the training ground, classes show yes only to whom it is necessary. That's where the money goes inexorably. Now all the real work in the army it was replaced by the preparation of pieces of paper: reports, reports, work plans. Whoever has all the papers in place is well done, and no one will ask him for the state of affairs. And if everything is fine with you, but there is no work plan of some kind, they will tell you that you’re a loafer. And it’s not the military officers who came up with this order, but from the very top, including the Moscow Defense Forces, these instructions follow. And here is some clever lunatic about the tribunal. Who will give himself up to the tribunal.

    Quote: esaul
    Serdyukov damaged the system of general's feeders so they cry patriotism, sentenced a number of hopeless enterprises, squeezed prices to reduce kickbacks, somewhere he went too far, of course, but it was high time to shake the fat people in uniform and in some places where the loot was replaced by civilians, otherwise the loot and honor is not always compatible

    Serdyukov didn’t hurt anything, he redirected part of the flow from the pockets of the generals to the pockets of the new managers, and I think he didn’t forget himself. So Serdyukov and honor are incompatible.
    1. +1
      31 October 2011 19: 55
      A three-story educational building was built in the 80s in the regiment.
      Since he was the first such corps with us, they decided to conduct classes with the Commander-in-Chief of the Strategic Missile Forces with us. Well, as always by storm. They worked in three shifts around the clock without naturally forgetting about combat duty, outfits and other delights of the Strategic Missile Forces combat regiment.
      Here in the third division, the captain plowed like a devil, but a big BUT. How will smoke - the regiment commander. And the clever ensign took a hammer in his hands and walks in parts without once banging them. What do you think - meeting. The regiment commander bugs the captain in the tail and in the mane, and the ensign sets an example of industriousness.
      So it's a regiment. And in the country, the army?
      Nae .... whether they will always nae ... unfortunately until only the platoon and not the people in the district who are responsible for the supply of spare parts or such a general will be responsible for the repair.
      When he took stripes and stars from a stool, he looked into his eyes, and now you can pee ... t.
      I know that in the army heh ... in and without him. I DO NOT BELIEVE him.
  36. mind1954
    0
    30 October 2011 03: 52
    When Vasily Aksyonov returned from the USA, he was at the very first
    meeting with readers said: Well, how can you respect the army,
    whose officers wear such caps. Even that shocked him.
    but our officers are not. Therefore, they got up and get up with them
    anything. It all starts with "kokoshniks" on the head.
  37. zavesa01
    0
    30 October 2011 11: 12
    I completely agree with vlad 61642 before I was asked knowledge of l / s, now they are asking for plans and every year there are more and less plans for practice. The instructions and orders that come to us are written in my opinion by humorists. Example: "when leaving the apartment, look through the peephole, if the staircase is not lit, do not leave, call your neighbors and let them come out." "If you are walking with your wife (fiancée, girlfriend) and they harass you. Run away with a quick, athletic step, breaking away from the hooligans, call the police." What are pearls? This work is called "Memo ....................."
  38. wow
    0
    30 October 2011 12: 11
    It is not a matter for a general, even a "retired" general, to whine in this way and make statements "for the press" in such a tone.
  39. Evil Tatar
    -3
    30 October 2011 17: 23
    Look, guys ...
    In 2009, the main criteria of the RF Military Doctrine were actively discussed in the "net" ...
    Then Patrushev very often gave interviews to our and other journalists ...
    It seems, as a keepsake, even the press conference was ...

    In 2010, the Doctrine was adopted. Hooray!
    For memory ... In your own words ...
    - The accumulation, concentration of military groups near the borders of the Russian Federation and / or friendly border states - a preventive nuclear strike against the group ...
    - The emergence of local military conflicts in states bordering the Russian Federation - a preventive nuclear strike on the territory of the conflict;
    - Preventive nuclear strike on a country that provoked a local conflict.
    Tell me if I'm wrong ...
    If not, then it turns out that it makes no sense to spend a lot of money in order to prove to someone THERE that WE are seriously preparing for a nuclear war without a nuclear war ... THEY know THERE, if anything, then in the Army we have no understanding, and if we turn our heads, then there will be nothing left for them but to beat the strategic nuclear weapons.
    And for this, a person must be in power - the Leader!
    And how to know for sure? After all, serious topics are made without hype ...
    One thing is being rubbed into us (the army is ruined, etc.), but in reality, the plans are different ...
    And if that, then drop the rubber bomb ............................. (For the sake of a joke!)
  40. Sazhka
    0
    31 October 2011 11: 08
    WE DO NOT HAVE AN ARMY ... WE DO NOT HAVE A COUNTRY ... We have 2 "modernizers" ... CINEMA "ELECTION DAY"
    1. Evil Tatar
      0
      31 October 2011 12: 38
      Sasha, do not drive ...

      Yeah, two modernizers and opposition leaders hungering for power and money ...

      The modernizers have somehow changed the order a little bit, but they don’t want to share power ...

      We urgently need to give power to the new liberals (who were right-wingers in the 90s) and let them finish what they could not finish in the late 90s.
      Here we make fun with them for the last time ...

      And about the CINEMA, Sasha, drop the link ...
      I would like to see on what sites you are polishing the political truth.
  41. 0
    31 October 2011 19: 35
    A real general would either crash a stool or not bother about problems after service ... they moved away from the dough and it’s boiling.
  42. +1
    31 October 2011 22: 50
    By the way about the "Military Secret" from 29.11. - something cool rolled I. Prokopenko on MO.
    What is it for?
  43. sweetheart
    +1
    1 November 2011 10: 57
    Why is the state-of-the-art technology with all its super powers, if the main component called upon to control it, that is, the soldier is called up for ONE year? Well, you can’t teach a mechanic how to intelligently drive a T-90 tank in a year. For the year it is impossible to prepare an intelligent operator of any communication station or serif. In a year, one can only teach the infantryman to deploy from pre-battle order to battle, followed by a stupid death for his homeland.
  44. +1
    1 November 2011 14: 40
    "The fish rots from the head" is not said in vain! MedvePut and EDRO - go to yuh and do not destroy Us !!! Or ... We will tear you apart !!!
    1. 0
      22 January 2018 16: 01
      Yellow Berets - Putin's New Army
      https://youtu.be/lQvTR7wwF3Q

      Channel Interesting Video
      Posted on: 1 aug. 2014
      Yellow Berets - Putin's New Army
      Recently, the whole world was surprised to see in action the new army of Putin, represented by yellow berets or green polite military men in the Crimea. Where did the funds for private military campaigns come from in Russia?
      Unable to defeat corruption, Putin had to lead it, and surrounding himself with bribes, he imposed a tribute and kickbacks on them. But unlike Yanukovych, Vladimir has a huge accumulated capital (worthy of remaining in history under the name "Tricky")
      spent not on family, but on secret rearmament of our army and navy,
      which backed by strategic weapons, is now the best in the world
  45. zavesa01
    +1
    1 November 2011 15: 38
    Maybe I don’t understand something, but what kind of nuclear weapons can be discussed at all. In the modern world, wars begin for colonies and resources, no one needs the smut with the consequences of the use of nuclear weapons. All this plays in my opinion the role of deterrence no more. America has already shown the principle of modern wars: locality and lightning speed with the support of their opposition-hostile policies. Now Caucasians are obsessed with ecology. In addition, 20 years ago it was already proved that the use of nuclear weapons is collective suicide.
  46. +1
    2 November 2011 03: 55
    zavesa01,
    I completely agree. The old principle is "Divide and rule", and, I will note, not only by the opposition in the country itself, but also by the neighboring countries.
  47. zavesa01
    +1
    3 November 2011 18: 31
    And the United States has been actively using it recently, and here on the site there are many who agree to surrender the country with giblets
  48. +3
    7 November 2011 20: 30
    Comrade officers! Where are you? If it’s so bad, and it’s so, we hear from you, why are you silent? Well, read something about honor, about protecting your homeland and other books and films. Stop walking in cattle, we are not feeding you for that. Today the president announced a 2,5-fold increase in your salaries, but for what? The worse we are, those who work and actually produce the product? You just need to disperse you for your unscrupulousness. You are ordinary marginalized people, nor anything officer in you. What cops are idlers then you are the same.
    1. Vladimir S
      0
      18 November 2011 11: 29
      I can't help but answer this heartbreaking cry from the soul of a conscientious taxpayer. I will NOT condescend to your level and go over to insults. I will just advise you to think with your head. The one that is on your shoulders. You feed us, yes. But we are defending you. If it were not for the "idlers" officers, as you have been nagging, then you would now be a slave to some Anglican. Or a German. Or a Czech.
      Such things are written precisely by those people who at one time were slanted from the army. But they would have served a little, got acquainted with the army life not in films, but in real life, then it would not have crossed my mind to write such offensive words.
      As for the cops-loafers are also wrong. If your daughter is raped in the gateway, where will you run? Or robbing, and you’ll get a scoop? (Just don’t need to write that you are a 6th dan karate master or a ZMS in sambo).
      Try to be responsible for your words. Apparently not run up yet. Then with this approach, you still have everything ahead.
  49. Mai
    Mai
    +1
    8 November 2011 16: 59
    Which officers are you contacting now? That's right - they added hawks, they build new stalls. All the wayeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ...
  50. 0
    12 November 2011 19: 12
    The discussion is uninteresting about the main thing and no one says anything. The article itself was written by a general who had served well in good places (then, of course, he was happy with a mess in the army, if he kept quiet), but having served everything that should be done, now, as they used to say with a grain of contempt in the Soviet Army, become a "journalist". Somehow it turns out not in an officer's way In the army there are ways and methods of protest there are historical examples, but as I understand it, this system suits everyone, because basically there are the screams of those who "I shot from AKSU, in" Stalker ", it sucks" and they themselves do not understand what they are talking about. If you do not correct the situation, then in the next conflict, or God forbid, the army will be washed in blood and along with it the country and God forbid that RUSSIAN generals and not RUSSIAN generals appear in it
    1. 0
      18 November 2011 11: 59
      I agree, not in Sobolev, as such - maybe he really just got there in spirit and mind, maybe he changed his shoes more comfortably - time will tell ... It's about the troops - don't they really understand that the next "victorious war" will not be?
  51. Vladimir S
    +3
    18 November 2011 10: 57
    I personally know Sobolev. In principle, he was once not a bad commander. He never got involved in politics, and was also the initiator of a number of reformist ideas. But then, go ahead, he started ranting.
    But here’s the thing. He worked in India and failed several tenders for us to supply them with weapons. The first time he was warned, the second time they called him in and beat him up, the third time he was simply fired. And it’s good that because of his age. And he so wanted to become the District Commander. ..Now he is on the list of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in the State Duma, and “collapse of the army” is their main slogan, fetish.
    Don't fall for any crazy comments, comrades.
    I will say this, our army of 2011 is 10 goals higher than the army of 1995-2000. And NATO knows this well.
    Our army under Sobolev and under the “competent” commanders killed the guys in Chechnya like flies. It’s better not to describe what a mess it was there. Those who were there remember. And in August 2008, the “collapsed” army in 2 days practically destroyed the army, which had been trained by the best NATO instructors for 4 years, was supplied with good weapons and numbered several tens of thousands of people.
    If a general doesn’t understand how to establish communication between a tank and a UAV on the battlefield, then, excuse me, he’s only interested in politics. They need buffoons, not hard workers.
    And leave Serdyukov alone. The reform is being carried out by military generals and officers who have gone through at least 2-3 wars, who have lost subordinates and friends, and not at headquarters where they wiped their pants like many offended sons of generals and adjutants of major military leaders.
    Know how to analyze and have your own opinion. And then like those unafraid mustangs - one clap and rushed across the prairie wherever their eyes looked.
  52. +1
    18 November 2011 11: 35
    Vladimir S - why are you talking about the apple scam of London capital? Which military generals and officers are carrying out the reform? Name at least a couple. Which school did you graduate from and in what year, which academy? Let’s call ourselves a “professional”. Maybe you won’t be embarrassed to say where you came from beginning of the General Staff? Do you even know, no? Or how many specialists are left in the Defense Ministry and how many managers? And from the BUSV course Part 2 - when an enemy unit is considered destroyed, and when scattered, consider it a peacemaker, and then you will judge the situation in Georgia. ..Was there, no? Where did you come from, with whom?
    There is no need to tell a soothing paid lie - anyone in the subject knows what we represent at the moment. Where do you come from, people like that?
    1. Vladimir S
      +1
      18 November 2011 12: 15
      Quiet, quiet. And be careful when turning, evgenm55. Secondly, you and I didn’t herd cows, so let’s stop poking. We studied in BUSV, and also in part 2. Apparently, we studied poorly, without practice. We read the battalion commander’s level , but they didn’t sniff. And even grammatical errors in the scribbles. Who I am, what and where I’m from is too much for you for me to report to you. I wrote about this before. I don’t want to repeat it especially for you.
      As for destroyed-scattered. I will personally explain to you the terminological insinuations of the Military Manual of the Army, part 2. In practice, scattered troops, i.e., those who left their equipped defensive positions or violated the offensive combat order, in which interaction and control of the troops are lost, are considered destroyed. Their pursuit is organized. and destruction, if there are no other tasks, namely, access to other combat lines.
      Take it to heart. And don’t be smart. 888 I wasn’t there. I’m not old enough to run around with a machine gun at the ready—I ran around back in the 80s.
      As for military generals and officers. Can I provide you with a list? You have too much opinion of yourself.
      And try not to hang labels. You may have once served in the army. I don’t know who, really. But not in the “makhr” or in command combat positions. Surely, like many people who left, they couldn’t stand it. Well, it happens. Don’t be so angry, everything will work out.
      1. +1
        18 November 2011 16: 52
        Of course, they didn’t graze them - after the leadership of managers like Serdyukov, there were no more in the country... As for “YOU” - I feel a painful reaction, I’m calm about this, you can “POKE”. I read the BUSV, I see 70 or more% -irretrievable losses/since the time of the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR/-then a part is considered destroyed. Even the Great Stalin wrote about this in his works on the use of artillery in modern warfare. And I am just a commander, both by education/ChVTKU/ and by service/ from the platoon commander to the individual EHV&T/A about “running with a machine gun” - now there is no one. And again you have only spatial sayings without facts and arguments - and there is no need to talk about literacy and conceit. Opinions about me are the lot of subordinates, comrades-in-arms and superiors .
  53. Vladimir S
    0
    21 November 2011 09: 20
    Sorry, but you have only tears. If you want a constructive debate, bring your pessimistic facts, I will try to give you hope for the future. Otherwise you give me spatial disturbances without facts, but you ask me for factual material.
    RVVDKU, VA Frunze, Ak.GS. From platoon commander to the beginning of the headquarters of the Obsn. Not retired.
  54. +2
    12 March 2012 20: 18
    The article is a huge minus. The author of the article spent all 20 post-Soviet years in command positions. His actions? But no action, he lived until retirement and began writing articles. Author, is the general’s pension really that small? Or “it’s a shame for the state”? I doubt it. People like YOU fell in love with the Soviet Union, with people like you almost overlooked Russia and stopped at the very edge. If I were you, I would sit bashfully in a “modest dacha” and grow cabbage. At least in the history of mankind there was one military leader who admitted that he did better with cabbage. It’s a pity that he lived almost 2000 years ago and cannot teach a lesson of honesty either to you or your colleagues, the generals of the Arbat Military District
    1. 0
      22 January 2018 14: 31
      “SERDYUKOV” OPERATION IS THE BIGGEST GEOPOLITICAL SUCCESS OF RUSSIA AT THE BEGINNING OF THE XXI CENTURY

      http://www.iarex.ru/articles/51971.html
      Why is Serdyukov not sitting?
      August 29 2015
      First, a little chronology.

      1996 year. Operation Jihad was an assault on Grozny by units of Chechen fighters in the month of August, during which they took control of most of the city. Chechen detachments also attacked and captured other major cities of the republic - Argun and Gudermes. After this, the shameful Khasavyurt agreements were concluded, putting an end to the first Chechen war.

      2008 year. The five-day war, during which the Georgian-trained and well-equipped army was defeated. It should be borne in mind that the forces of the parties directly involved in this war were approximately equal in number and armament (about 18-20 thousand soldiers on each side of the sides, approximate equality in tanks and armored vehicles). In aviation, the Russian Federation had a serious superiority, but the fate of the war was decided by land waxes. A brilliant military victory without any reservations in a record short time. The Israelis, shoved off the podium with their seven-day war, smoke offendedly aside.

      2014 year. Crimea is part of Russia without a single shot.

      What has changed since the end of the last century and where did Russia get a new beautiful army from, if we take the ground forces and air defense, then the best in the world at the moment (in terms of aviation and naval power - the undoubted second in the world).
  55. 0
    25 March 2017 00: 41
    This is spam and fake. All comments are from 6 years ago.
  56. 0
    25 March 2017 09: 16
    The new promised tank was built. There will be serial production of the T14 Armata.
  57. 0
    25 March 2017 15: 41
    I want to ask the topwar management for what purpose are you posting moth-eaten articles? Right now it’s year 17 and everything in this world has changed, including in the army, for the better
  58. 0
    29 March 2017 08: 30
    Quote: vezunchik
    six years have passed ... and what has changed ???

    Well, a lot has changed. Ministers changed, things went loudly and quietly fell apart, but Crimea joined, our army began to be respected all over the world, or at least feared, our weapons are considered one of the best in the world, after all, they created a new tank by 2015, These are the results at a glance. And as for corruption, just look at this year 2017 and it will turn out that France, Germany, the USA and everyone are no less or even more corrupt than Russia. Once again you are convinced that the saying “Time will put everything in its place” was and will be relevant.
    1. 0
      22 January 2018 14: 31
      “SERDYUKOV” OPERATION IS THE BIGGEST GEOPOLITICAL SUCCESS OF RUSSIA AT THE BEGINNING OF THE XXI CENTURY

      http://www.iarex.ru/articles/51971.html
      Why is Serdyukov not sitting?
      August 29 2015
      First, a little chronology.

      1996 year. Operation Jihad was an assault on Grozny by units of Chechen fighters in the month of August, during which they took control of most of the city. Chechen detachments also attacked and captured other major cities of the republic - Argun and Gudermes. After this, the shameful Khasavyurt agreements were concluded, putting an end to the first Chechen war.

      2008 year. The five-day war, during which the Georgian-trained and well-equipped army was defeated. It should be borne in mind that the forces of the parties directly involved in this war were approximately equal in number and armament (about 18-20 thousand soldiers on each side of the sides, approximate equality in tanks and armored vehicles). In aviation, the Russian Federation had a serious superiority, but the fate of the war was decided by land waxes. A brilliant military victory without any reservations in a record short time. The Israelis, shoved off the podium with their seven-day war, smoke offendedly aside.

      2014 year. Crimea is part of Russia without a single shot.

      What has changed since the end of the last century and where did Russia get a new beautiful army from, if we take the ground forces and air defense, then the best in the world at the moment (in terms of aviation and naval power - the undoubted second in the world).
  59. 0
    30 March 2017 16: 50
    Has the general changed his point of view expressed in 2011 regarding the Russian Armed Forces, or continues to cut the truth? What about the Tiger armored car, which is unable to cross enemy trenches?
  60. +1
    April 15 2017 08: 30
    Hello, moderators? Isn't it time to remove this article from the site? It may have been topical in 2011, but a lot of water has already flown under the bridge and the situation has changed. Do not mislead people about the current state of the Russian Armed Forces. Although, if it was written by a liberal, then everything is clear. And it’s not surprising. It’s surprising that such “materials” are still hanging on your respected website. Good luck.
  61. 0
    14 May 2017 05: 41
    Quote: Tjumenec72
    Again, another article, “Everything was lost,” and the saddest thing is that it was supposedly written on behalf of the general.
    Well, what is there to rub in vain - ELECTION!
    Now, if he’s so smart, at least he would throw a “recept” (in the subject, it’s kind of like a man).
    For this, they generally shot before (

    As usual, we cast a shadow on the fence. 41 years have not taught us anything. The same shspkozakitelstvo. What does the election have to do with it? Or do you think something has changed in the 6 years since this article was published. Naive Where is the money Zin?

    Here are defense spending for 2016.
    America 561 billion dollars. China 215 billion dollars. Saudi Arabia 87 billion dollars Russia 66 billion dollars. Of the 66, it stuck pretty well to the handles + with the same money the police of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and away. So who are you going to tear and with what?
    USSR 25-30 ℅ of world GDP Russia 1.2 ℅
    1. 0
      22 January 2018 14: 30
      “SERDYUKOV” OPERATION IS THE BIGGEST GEOPOLITICAL SUCCESS OF RUSSIA AT THE BEGINNING OF THE XXI CENTURY

      http://www.iarex.ru/articles/51971.html
      Why is Serdyukov not sitting?
      August 29 2015
      First, a little chronology.

      1996 year. Operation Jihad was an assault on Grozny by units of Chechen fighters in the month of August, during which they took control of most of the city. Chechen detachments also attacked and captured other major cities of the republic - Argun and Gudermes. After this, the shameful Khasavyurt agreements were concluded, putting an end to the first Chechen war.

      2008 year. The five-day war, during which the Georgian-trained and well-equipped army was defeated. It should be borne in mind that the forces of the parties directly involved in this war were approximately equal in number and armament (about 18-20 thousand soldiers on each side of the sides, approximate equality in tanks and armored vehicles). In aviation, the Russian Federation had a serious superiority, but the fate of the war was decided by land waxes. A brilliant military victory without any reservations in a record short time. The Israelis, shoved off the podium with their seven-day war, smoke offendedly aside.

      2014 year. Crimea is part of Russia without a single shot.

      What has changed since the end of the last century and where did Russia get a new beautiful army from, if we take the ground forces and air defense, then the best in the world at the moment (in terms of aviation and naval power - the undoubted second in the world).
  62. +1
    28 June 2017 17: 46
    The material is clearly outdated.
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  64. +1
    23 August 2017 20: 48
    Hospice, who raised this dense shit from the silt?
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  66. +2
    25 October 2017 20: 20
    So 2017. October. Everything is more or less known about our army.
    What about our General Sobolev? What is this Hannibal-Clausewitz von Moltke-Bonaparte doing?
    He joined the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, vehemently denounces, and heads some kind of social movement... In general, he lives life to the fullest.
  67. 0
    19 January 2018 00: 27
    General-ieytenant, v principe, razdvigaet naveshannuyou narodu, na ushi i na glaza, lapshu. no fanfar(bi) "uspehov" zaglushayout "glas vopiyouschego v pust(bi)ne". Uspeshn(bi)e meneger(bi) prodoljayout dobivat(b) stranu i armiyou.
    1. 0
      22 January 2018 14: 29
      “SERDYUKOV” OPERATION IS THE BIGGEST GEOPOLITICAL SUCCESS OF RUSSIA AT THE BEGINNING OF THE XXI CENTURY

      http://www.iarex.ru/articles/51971.html
      Why is Serdyukov not sitting?
      August 29 2015
      First, a little chronology.

      1996 year. Operation Jihad was an assault on Grozny by units of Chechen fighters in the month of August, during which they took control of most of the city. Chechen detachments also attacked and captured other major cities of the republic - Argun and Gudermes. After this, the shameful Khasavyurt agreements were concluded, putting an end to the first Chechen war.

      2008 year. The five-day war, during which the Georgian-trained and well-equipped army was defeated. It should be borne in mind that the forces of the parties directly involved in this war were approximately equal in number and armament (about 18-20 thousand soldiers on each side of the sides, approximate equality in tanks and armored vehicles). In aviation, the Russian Federation had a serious superiority, but the fate of the war was decided by land waxes. A brilliant military victory without any reservations in a record short time. The Israelis, shoved off the podium with their seven-day war, smoke offendedly aside.

      2014 year. Crimea is part of Russia without a single shot.

      What has changed since the end of the last century and where did Russia get a new beautiful army from, if we take the ground forces and air defense, then the best in the world at the moment (in terms of aviation and naval power - the undoubted second in the world).
  68. 0
    22 January 2018 14: 26
    “SERDYUKOV” OPERATION IS THE BIGGEST GEOPOLITICAL SUCCESS OF RUSSIA AT THE BEGINNING OF THE XXI CENTURY

    http://www.iarex.ru/articles/51971.html
    Why is Serdyukov not sitting?
    August 29 2015
    First, a little chronology.

    1996 year. Operation Jihad was an assault on Grozny by units of Chechen fighters in the month of August, during which they took control of most of the city. Chechen detachments also attacked and captured other major cities of the republic - Argun and Gudermes. After this, the shameful Khasavyurt agreements were concluded, putting an end to the first Chechen war.

    2008 year. The five-day war, during which the Georgian-trained and well-equipped army was defeated. It should be borne in mind that the forces of the parties directly involved in this war were approximately equal in number and armament (about 18-20 thousand soldiers on each side of the sides, approximate equality in tanks and armored vehicles). In aviation, the Russian Federation had a serious superiority, but the fate of the war was decided by land waxes. A brilliant military victory without any reservations in a record short time. The Israelis, shoved off the podium with their seven-day war, smoke offendedly aside.

    2014 year. Crimea is part of Russia without a single shot.

    What has changed since the end of the last century and where did Russia get its new wonderful army? If we take the ground forces and air defense, then it is the best in the world at the moment (in terms of aviation and naval power - the absolute second in the world)
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    22 January 2018 14: 27
    “SERDYUKOV” OPERATION IS THE BIGGEST GEOPOLITICAL SUCCESS OF RUSSIA AT THE BEGINNING OF THE XXI CENTURY

    http://www.iarex.ru/articles/51971.html
    Why is Serdyukov not sitting?
    August 29 2015
    First, a little chronology.

    1996 year. Operation Jihad was an assault on Grozny by units of Chechen fighters in the month of August, during which they took control of most of the city. Chechen detachments also attacked and captured other major cities of the republic - Argun and Gudermes. After this, the shameful Khasavyurt agreements were concluded, putting an end to the first Chechen war.

    2008 year. The five-day war, during which the Georgian-trained and well-equipped army was defeated. It should be borne in mind that the forces of the parties directly involved in this war were approximately equal in number and armament (about 18-20 thousand soldiers on each side of the sides, approximate equality in tanks and armored vehicles). In aviation, the Russian Federation had a serious superiority, but the fate of the war was decided by land waxes. A brilliant military victory without any reservations in a record short time. The Israelis, shoved off the podium with their seven-day war, smoke offendedly aside.

    2014 year. Crimea is part of Russia without a single shot.

    What has changed since the end of the last century and where did Russia get a new beautiful army from, if we take the ground forces and air defense, then the best in the world at the moment (in terms of aviation and naval power - the undoubted second in the world).
  70. 0
    22 January 2018 16: 06
    Yellow Berets - Putin's New Army
    https://youtu.be/lQvTR7wwF3Q
    Channel Interesting Video
    Posted on: 1 aug. 2014
    Yellow Berets - Putin's New Army
    Recently, the whole world was surprised to see in action the new army of Putin, represented by yellow berets or green polite military men in the Crimea. Where did the funds for private military campaigns come from in Russia?
    Unable to defeat corruption, Putin had to lead it, and surrounding himself with bribes, he imposed a tribute and kickbacks on them. But unlike Yanukovych, Vladimir has a huge accumulated capital (worthy of remaining in history under the name "Tricky")
    spent not on family, but on secret rearmament of our army and navy,
    which backed by strategic weapons, is now the best in the world
  71. 0
    22 January 2018 17: 03
    An attack on Russia is being prepared from 3 directions. Plans to start a war have been revealed.
    https://youtu.be/L0o6hE0GtFw 
  72. 0
    24 January 2018 08: 24
    It’s a pity that he seems to be an honored general, but when he retired, he turned out to be a bitch.