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Tricky comments. How right is the professor Preobrazhensky, or Do not read Gazeta.ru?

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A hundred times heard this famous phrase about the newspaper from the mouth of the heroes of the "Heart of a Dog". And read many times. But this truth did not hit the brain. Did not become a dogma. No, no, but they will press the keys of this word - a newspaper.


Exercises at one of the landfills in Russia


And plunge into the world of complete absurdity. In the world with fictional heroes and villains. In a world where white for some reason turns out to be black. And vice versa. I understand the concerns of writers and philologists. Why read fiction, if it is enough to open the site of a newspaper with a claim to relevance? Then you and the fighter, and detective, and family drama. And for a snack and skanvordik for the intelligence of a kindergarten graduate.

I managed to type only the word newspaper this time. Next, the monitor is covered with a variety of titles. But if it was revealed at the word of the newspaper, then this is fate.

So, "Gazeta.ru" from 14 July 2015 of the year.

On the first page of the material - the bomb. Caliber "Bombs Dad".

"I did not want to participate in the fighting in Ukraine". Here it is. Testimony of a contract soldier! Here it is, the luck of a journalist. Blue Bird ...

"Several dozen contract servicemen from military unit №22179 of the 33th separate motorized rifle brigade (Maikop reconnaissance brigade) fled from the proving ground in the Rostov region because they were afraid of being sent to Ukraine. Criminal proceedings are being instituted against them, they face up to ten years in prison for leaving without permission parts and desertion. "

This phrase crowns the opus of a group of journalists. Noticed, not one or two soldiers deserted there. A few dozens. The servicemen are massively fleeing from the war in Ukraine.

23-year-old private Anatoly Kudrin from the Maikop reconnaissance brigade has already been convicted of unauthorized leaving the duty station - he received six months in a penal colony settlement. Two more servicemen are under arrest, the investigation of other contract servicemen who left the training ground without permission is ongoing. According to lawyers, the soldiers left the Kadamovsky range in the Rostov region, as they were afraid to be sent to the war in the Donbass.

Tricky comments. How right is the professor Preobrazhensky, or Do not read Gazeta.ru?

Anatoly Kudrin

According to investigators, the contract soldiers left the Kadamovsky test site, “not wanting to endure the burden and deprivation of military service.” Now all these contractors (they are several dozen people) are under investigation under Art. 337 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (“Unauthorized abandonment of a part”, up to five years imprisonment) and art. 338 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (“Desertion”, up to ten years).

And this is the result of a journalistic investigation of the "Gazeta ..." Soldiers were afraid of being sent to war? Interestingly, in any classes, were these "animated warriors" afraid or only at the test site? Of course, it is an honor to serve in the Maykop brigade. Intelligence service. Yes, and the strength of this brigade in Ukraine really know. It is not for nothing that several times they “destroyed” valiantly, then at the airport of Donetsk, then in other parts of the LDNR.

It seems to me that the Maykop brigade, together with the Murmansk marine, with the support of the Buryat armored cavalry division and tanks Omsk riot police will be able to end the war in Ukraine in a day.

I am confident that there are many competent and trained soldiers and officers in the ranks of motorized riflers. But the main word here is "scouts". This military work is one of the most difficult. Difficult and dangerous. That's why scouts are taught hard. Sometimes cruel. And not everyone has the strength and courage to do this thing. There are also "weaklings". No, they are quite suitable for other parts, but in intelligence - alas.

But journalists diligently, "in a parrot" repeat - the soldier was afraid to go to war. The reader should not think, but remember the mantra.

Another example of the same investigation. "With the mother of 20-year-old grenade thrower Ivan Shevkunov, we meet in a cafe in the center of Maikop. A short woman is very excited." Now the soldier is younger. So, it will be heartier to “push the tears” on the reader-parents.

"He said that he was going to the border with Ukraine, a business trip until December. He called every day, complained about the conditions: they slept on the boards thrown on the ground, the first three days were fed by the nearby militiamen," says Svetlana Nikolayevna. "It turned out that he needed to sign some document in part, he asked for money for the trip and returned to Maykop. "

Colleagues, journalists, Christmas trees, winders, when you write, look at a little material. Do not think that all readers recently discharged from hospitals for the mentally retarded. What are the militias in the Russian landfill? Do you really think the Russian army is a bunch of idiots? Yes, and goons. And above all this, "stellar satellites" are blind?

Any schoolchild will explain to you that even if some units of a foreign army are located in the units of another army (not necessarily Russian, you can be American or German), they will simply be dressed in the appropriate form. Especially if the representatives of this army are not quite legal there.

Another question, but what did the militiamen forget in such quantities on the territory of Russia? A militiaman is like a soldier. Where is his place? That's right, in the trenches on the territory of their country. But not in a camp in a neighboring country. This, if you do not know, is called "refugee."

Undoubtedly, such representatives in our land were more than enough. But about the "fed" ... I beg you, do not make me laugh.

And the soldier again "escaped" from the place of service. A sort of naughty defender. Sleep on mattresses cold? And if just in the trenches? Yes in the rain? And about the document quite like a childish thing. Illiterate soldier with us. Read not taught. Just write.

“He said that the soldiers were forced to go volunteers,” the woman recalls. “When I was at the reception with the son at the head of the personnel department of the No. XXUMX part, Major Kambarov, he began to shout that now Vanya has only two ways: either to prison or to the Kadamovsky test site. And there are no other options. "

So, where in the text did this major force him to go to Ukraine? Where did Ukraine come from?

The soldier serves in the unit, which is constantly engaged in combat training. And for this and there are polygons. Well, apparently, you can not shoot from the modern weapons in Maykop. Somehow the weapon is not adapted to the peaceful life of a peaceful city. He needs space. Yes, and the soldier must own his weapon, and not just wear it. And to master not only the area where Maykop is located, but also to be ready for service in other geographic areas. Fortunately the country allows.

"Private N. Shevkunov, 30.09.2014, being a soldier under military service under a contract, being part of his unit on a business trip to the Kadamovsky training ground stationed in the Oktyabrsky (rural) district of the Rostov Region, being dissatisfied with the fact that he was sent on a business trip outside of Maikop and the Republic of Adygea, not wanting to endure military service deprivation, with the goal of completely avoiding military service ... left the place of service without permission - the Kadamovsky landfill and descendants Unknown. "

Someone from readers saw the infringement of the rights of the soldier? Any kind of violation of the law?

We saw only a weakling who wanted to live well-work in his hometown. And get a good salary contract. And as soon as it smelled like “hardships and hardships” - everything, “I do not play like that.”

And now the most important thing. That should "break" the hearts of Russian mothers. Soldiers really recruited to war. Like this. Were recruited in the most idiotic way. Some people with no insignia appeared, but with epaulets not lower than a major and directly offered - “go to the militia”. You will receive 8000 rubles a day, you will receive the status of a veteran of hostilities and other nonsense.

Journalists, auuu ... You would have talked once with those who were on the other side. Or themselves rolled once "on a tour." A person without insignia and certificates will not live there for a couple of days. Have you ever Marshall epaulets. There is war, not cinema.

“Agitators came - without insignia, but with epaulets from Major and above. Other contract servicemen called their comrades, who dissuaded: if something happened in Ukraine, they would send you backstage or write to deserters who escaped and accidentally exploded on a mine. Agitators they did not pressure patriotism, but promised almost veteran status to make (gives the right to numerous benefits, housing, etc. - Gazeta.Ru) and pay 8 thousand per day. In fact, I know from colleagues, they threw money at nobody agreed to pay anything. "

And such nonsense is written in a serious newspaper positioning itself. Honestly, having read the material, we somehow even began to understand journalists from the newspaper Novaya Gazeta, “beloved” by us. They at least know something about Ukraine. "Mold" misinformation professionally. And here...

And here we obviously have an attempt to “otmazat” the soldiers, who were afraid of the blessing of which, who had joined the ranks of deserters, were afraid. And nothing more.
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  2. Semyonych
    Semyonych 15 July 2015 06: 18
    +7
    Apparently, the article was conceived out of good intentions, but it was written ........ somehow unconvincing. It would be better not to write.
    1. domokl
      domokl 15 July 2015 06: 34
      +38
      The article was conceived as an opportunity for local lawyers to find at least some clue to protect the deserters. Perhaps even the journalists wanted the best. Only now turned out very nasty stuff.
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 15 July 2015 06: 47
        -13
        So all the same Putin leaked or not leaked ??

        Ato turns out, if this article is to be believed, then the troops, and the most prepared ones are sent .. so it didn’t merge ...

        Interestingly, and the annals of the newspaper.ru there is an analyst on the subject of the surrender of New Russia ??
        1. sap
          sap 16 July 2015 01: 20
          +13
          Quote: sledgehammer102
          So all the same Putin leaked or not leaked ??

          But that's not all.
          Subsidiaries of Russian banks in Ukraine are also involved in providing benefits to ATO participants themselves: for example, freezing and writing off interest on their loans. On June 8, 2014, a law came into force according to which banks simply became obliged to provide such holidays: the interest rate is not charged and interest is not paid for the period while the fighter is in the ATO zone.
          But the most outrageous thing is that the Ukrainian subsidiaries of Russian banks did this voluntarily before the adoption of this law. And after I raised this issue on a committee under the Federation Council, they removed the advertisement for this action from the site, but continued to provide it. My assistant was convinced of this by calling the bank. Unfortunately, I did not take a screenshot from the bank's website, so I will not call it.
          What is happening is not surprising to me. I personally know many of the leaders of Russian banks in Ukraine. Many of them are convinced Ukrainian nationalists.
          Unfortunately, Russian banks not only complied with the order of the Kiev regime to stop working in the Donbass, when Poroshenko decided to block the “rebellious” region, but they executed it before all other Ukrainian banks. Completed it first!
          And I want to ask: if tomorrow the Kiev authorities ask Sberbank, VEB (represented by Prominvestbank) and VTB to financially support the work of prisons, and even the creation of special concentration camps for pro-Russian political prisoners and prisoners of Novorossia prisoners, Russian banks will helpfully respond to this?
          However, the answer to this question is already clear.
          But the hundreds of millions of dollars that they invest in the financial system of Ukraine are not just stocks, bonds, soft loans. This is direct support for the very regime, the fair assessments of which we hear every day on Moscow television channels. But TV channels, TV channels, and business is working.
          And if you need help, throw in shells for the very artillery that shells Gorlovka and Donetsk, then why not help? Indeed, this will probably “improve the business climate around Russian business in Ukraine.
          It is painful to think that people in the Donbass are killed by weapons bought, in particular, with the help of Russian banks - the banks of the same country, for the sake of an alliance with which people in the Donbass are risking their lives. I hope that the Russian leadership will nevertheless take control of the activities of its own banks in Ukraine.
          We well know that the rule of business is “nothing personal”.
          But you must be held accountable for aiding in committing war crimes. It’s so exact before God, but it may happen that it will happen on this earth.
          Will it be convenient for Russian bankers in a court on a tight bench next to Kolomoisky?

          Читать полностью:http://www.km.ru/world/2015/07/15/protivostoyanie-na-ukraine-2013-2015
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          1. ibu355yandex.ru
            ibu355yandex.ru 16 July 2015 18: 33
            +4
            Bankers after NPOs are second in the list of corrupt ones! Money will blind your eyes and kill your conscience! It's my personal opinion.
        2. Kunar
          Kunar 16 July 2015 10: 56
          0
          I will quote the words of the same author: "Dangling! But, to be honest, dangling is very average ..." laughing drinks
      2. Trailer
        Trailer 15 July 2015 06: 59
        -107
        The clues can be found without problems - this is a photo of our newest weapons in the Donbass among the militias, and a bunch of TV reports that tell about the funeral of those who, in fact, illegally crossed the border and killed soldiers of another state. Suppose that in one place it is called the militia, and in another place ISIS militants, the essence is the same - it is better not to raise this topic at all.
        1. Scandinavian
          Scandinavian 15 July 2015 08: 33
          +27
          I do not agree with your point of view and for this I’m minus you. Militia and Daesh are two different things. A hidden Russophobe you see more comfortable being.
          1. Trailer
            Trailer 15 July 2015 09: 00
            -55
            Quote: Scandinavian
            Militia and Daesh are two different things.


            Not from a moral, but from a purely legal point of view:
            1. And there and there, citizens of the Russian Federation
            2. Both of them illegally crossed the border of another state
            3. Both of them are fighting the armies of neighboring states

            Yes, they have different moral principles and root causes, and they are presented differently in the media, but this does not change the essence.
            1. samuil60
              samuil60 15 July 2015 09: 44
              +44
              And what, good sir, are you ready to compare the Donbass militias with the sadists from ISIS? Then, my friend, you have a direct road somewhere on the radio "Liberty" or "Echo of Moscow". There you will be understood and accepted with open arms.
              1. Trailer
                Trailer 15 July 2015 09: 55
                -45
                Quote: samuil60
                And what, Mr. Good, are you ready to compare Donbass militias with ISIS sadists?


                It begins. I mean, this topic is not worth raising at all.
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 15 July 2015 10: 11
                  +23
                  Quote: Karavan
                  It begins. I mean, this topic is not worth raising at all.

                  Do not confuse the concept, ISIS mainly fights in foreign territories and not for the local population.
                  In our case, the guys help the locals and this is called voluntary assistance, if they would defend their interests there (money, land, etc.) and jam the local population, this would be akin to ISIS.
                  And if we take the political background - and assume that there are regular parts of other states on any side, this is already a big game for big players - at the level of distribution of influence (authority, economic and others), changes in the balance of power and buffer zones.
                2. All-seeing
                  All-seeing 15 July 2015 13: 17
                  +3
                  So do not pick it up elsewhere. And here give people the opportunity to discuss the painful!
                3. Comrade Bender
                  Comrade Bender 15 July 2015 19: 09
                  +8
                  T. Ye. About ISIS must be silent in a rag, because they are the same as the militias? You, a cheap provocateur, amiable. Go with your convictions to the white painters and the liberals, they will appreciate you.
                4. AGG024
                  AGG024 17 July 2015 15: 41
                  +1
                  According to your tongue, put it in a well-known place and sniff it in a rag. You see the topic is not worth raising. And why then are all gathered here?
              2. Panin
                Panin 16 July 2015 02: 08
                -6
                Sick. Do you even know that Echo of Moscow Radio shows ALL opinions, and not opinions that are beneficial? There are opinions of both. This should be the media, and the audience should decide who is right and who is not. And you just look one-sidedly and look only for that which coincides with your desires and opinions. You do not believe me? Well, go to the site and see what they publish.

                What I wrote about the Echo of Moscow does not mean that I, like the Caravan, equate the militias with ISIS (for the stupid explanation).
            2. Rostislav
              Rostislav 15 July 2015 10: 16
              +36
              they have different moral principles and root causes, ... but this does not change the essence.

              Have you measured the temperature for a long time?
              The bandit shot the woman, the husband shot the bandit who attacked not his wife.
              1. Both citizens of Russia
              2. Both with weapons, illegally.
              3. Both shoot and kill.
              Yes, they have different moral principles and the root causes of the act, and it is THIS STRONGLY CHANGES THE ESSENCE.
              1. Trailer
                Trailer 15 July 2015 12: 16
                -21
                Quote: Rostislav
                Have you measured the temperature for a long time?


                So, but essentially what I have said, do you have something to refute? Just banter articles and the topic itself are wrong in essence.
                1. Comrade Bender
                  Comrade Bender 15 July 2015 19: 18
                  +9
                  There is something to refute. You should go to school, learn, maybe you will understand the difference between volunteers, mercenaries and religious fanatics (pretending to be fanatics, for your own enrichment). Go and learn.
            3. All-seeing
              All-seeing 15 July 2015 13: 15
              +7
              That's right, Mr. "lawyer", moral principles change everything! The militiamen do not open their mouths to someone else's mouth, they defend their own, and the Isis seize foreign territories and kill everyone in a row, mainly unarmed civilians!
            4. Comrade Bender
              Comrade Bender 15 July 2015 19: 05
              +2
              And who said that they crossed the border illegally? There is no need to throw in a disu, especially such a cheap one.
            5. perm23
              perm23 16 July 2015 07: 25
              +5
              The essence is always one. Some are fighting for a just cause, for honor and justice, while others are not. Russia was attacked that it doesn’t reach you, or it’s not enough mind, or American brains are full of brains. And the militia of Donbass is fighting for the NS for all.
            6. Altona
              Altona 16 July 2015 09: 28
              +7
              Quote: Karavan
              Not from a moral, but from a purely legal point of view:
              1. And there and there, citizens of the Russian Federation
              2. Both of them illegally crossed the border of another state
              3. Both of them are fighting the armies of neighboring states

              -----------------------------
              4. The Ukrainian army carries out genocide of the local population and it has the right to defend itself in all possible ways, even with the involvement of volunteers ...
              5. The army of Ukraine is not entitled, according to the Constitution of Ukraine of 2004 (and any other edition), to fight against its own people (if we consider the people of Donbass as part of the Ukrainian people), so the actions of the Ukrainian army are criminal from the beginning ...
              PS So look carefully at the motives, legal ...
            7. Kunar
              Kunar 16 July 2015 11: 10
              0
              Quote: Kunar
              It should be understood that people are divided into friends and foes. And everything else is not important.
          2. Duke
            Duke 15 July 2015 11: 07
            +4
            How right is Professor Preobrazhensky, or Do not read "Gazeta.ru"

            1. wk
              wk 16 July 2015 00: 16
              -17
              Quote: Duke
              How right is Professor Preobrazhensky, or Do not read "Gazeta.ru"

              in general, if Bulgakov’s work is examined in detail, then Professor Preobrazhensky’s collective image of the scoundrel of that time ... Barmental is a Menshevik terrorist or Eser (where does he have a revolver?) who is hiding from justice with the protected Preobrazhensky conformist party nomenclature (forgot the hero’s name) ... normal Preobrazhensky’s personality should only cause disgust .... when hunger and typhus are raging in the country, he treats impotence (for not frail grandmothers) among Nepmans and party bureaucracies ... and the liberal public of modern Russia elevated him to idols! and suckers from the people accustomed to this thought!
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 16 July 2015 00: 32
                +5
                Quote: wk
                liberal society of modern Russia elevated him to idols

                Yes, as it were under the USSR, this book was .. and the attitude to the heroes since then has not changed request

                Quote: wk
                suckers from the people accustomed to this thought

                Sucker is a salmon, actually ..

                Yes, you Schwonder - not a relative, an hour? laughing
                1. wk
                  wk 16 July 2015 00: 50
                  -5
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  and the attitude to the heroes since then has not changed

                  you don’t have .... I have changed .... it is clear to me that there are no good heroes there .... Sharikov strove for self-perfection, but a corrupt society killed a person in him too .... review at least the film and understand. .. Preobrazhensky - a scoundrel! only you need to look carefully ..... sorry Preobrazhensky did not play Smoktunovsky .... he thinks he convincingly managed to play professor a scoundrel ... Evstigneev with all his talent, a gentle man to play such a scoundrel and a bastard .... by the way about such as the Transfiguration Lord Christ said the essence of their wolves, even covered with sheep's skins (not verbatim, but close to the text) read the Gospel ...
                  1. Babr
                    Babr 16 July 2015 02: 08
                    -1
                    Quote: wk
                    I have changed .... for me it is clear that there are no goodies

                    better late than never. hi
                  2. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 16 July 2015 08: 38
                    +6
                    Quote: wk
                    review at least the film and understand

                    Than films to watch, I prefer to read .. in the original yes

                    Quote: wk
                    Sharikov strove for self-perfection

                    Sharikov - he is a dog. Good one. The book clearly shows that a dog - should be a dog, pulling an owl on a globe (make a person a dog) - is contraindicated.

                    Quote: wk
                    but a corrupt society killed a person in it too ...

                    Have you actually read the book? "It was not so .. not so at all" (c)

                    Quote: wk
                    when famine is raging in the country and typhoid he cures impotence

                    When there is a mess in the country, he is engaged in a matter to which he has devoted his whole life (the surgeon, you know, is not a janitor - this is a piece of product, and preparing it is .. difficult)

                    Quote: wk
                    in (every) normal person, the personality of Preobrazhensky should cause only disgust

                    Speak for yourself when saying such things yes

                    Quote: wk
                    read the gospel

                    Drink tomato juice .. what should I read - I’m really like a thread .. without an ensemble ..

                    Two to you in literature .. cadet laughing
                    1. Babr
                      Babr 16 July 2015 11: 03
                      -6
                      Well, forever like that. Only a person will see clearly and begin to think with his own head, they will immediately put him in a vat with shit of common truths.
                      When will we learn to think with our own head?
                      1. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 16 July 2015 11: 17
                        +6
                        Quote: Babr
                        they put him right there again in a vat with crap of truths

                        Babr, I'm sorry - I did not understand the pathos ..

                        Because the truth is "capital", does it cease to be true?

                        - if yes - why?
                        - if "no" - then it is not clear why you just said this ..

                        Quote: Babr
                        When will we learn to think with our own head?

                        If this is for me, then I think exclusively of her .. since there is nothing more laughing

                        And I know how to do it, but not - then from the side, of course, I know better .. request
                      2. Babr
                        Babr 16 July 2015 11: 50
                        -7
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Babr, I'm sorry - I did not understand the pathos ..

                        Common truths. Who prescribes them? Build.
                        It is truth? No, this is a common truth written for general use.
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        If this is for me, then I think exclusively of her .. since there is nothing more

                        And I know how to do it, but not - then from the side, of course, I know better ..
                        I have nothing against yours. But for many, this is a subject to wear a hat.
                    2. wk
                      wk 16 July 2015 13: 50
                      -6
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      Have you actually read the book? "It was not so .. not so at all" (c)

                      Yes, I just didn’t read it, but listened to an audiobook, and more than once it lay in my car for about a year.
                  3. a housewife
                    a housewife 18 July 2015 00: 24
                    -1
                    Where is Sharikov somewhere out there striving? There was a fusion of the canine organism and instincts with the blunt brain of a complete drunk and added education from Schwonder.
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                3. Star Huntsman
                  Star Huntsman 17 July 2015 17: 08
                  0
                  silver goof - a tree, a kindred of olives. grows in the south of Russia, the fruits are sweet, the flowers smell like vanilla
                4. a housewife
                  a housewife 18 July 2015 00: 15
                  0
                  And also goof - a shrub, a relative of sea buckthorn. laughing
              2. perm23
                perm23 16 July 2015 07: 29
                +3
                With such statements and thoughts, you can translate all Russian fairy tales and cartoons into the category of harmful ones. Do you even think about what to write about.
                1. wk
                  wk 16 July 2015 14: 40
                  -2
                  Quote: perm23
                  With such statements and thoughts, you can translate all Russian fairy tales and cartoons into the category of harmful ones. Do you even think about what to write about.

                  where have you read from me that a novel and a film based on it are harmful? .... very useful! you only need to read and watch against the background of the processes taking place in the country and in the world .... in this connection Bulgakov wrote it .... but for the unenlightened youth this story looks different ... I hope you understand what I’m writing in tongue-tied, Well, as I can.
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              3. a housewife
                a housewife 18 July 2015 00: 12
                0
                And where in the film does the idea that Preobrazhensky is a positive hero sound? What is and is. True, a doctor who treats impotence may not know how to treat typhus, and he cannot save anyone from hunger. And impotence must also be treated. And for the "sickly grandmother" he is engaged in scientific activities. True, when you do experiments with a human person, you need to calculate the consequences in advance. But there other experiments were done, and not by Preobrazhensky. And not with one personality. And now they are doing it. And newspapers are also a tool.
        2. Penetrator
          Penetrator 15 July 2015 08: 58
          +8
          Leads can be found without problems - this is a photo of the newest our weapons

          Which "our"? You are from Kazakhstan. So, in Donbass, Buryats are not, as the Ukrainian media claim, but Kazakhs are spotted?
          Let it be called a militia in one place, and ISIS fighters in another place.

          And in third place, citizens of the EU and the USA - employees of PMCs such as Academi and so on. So really, do not raise this topic.
          1. Trailer
            Trailer 15 July 2015 09: 30
            -17
            Quote: Penetrator
            And in third place, citizens of the EU and the USA - employees of PMCs such as Academi and so on.


            Here, by the way, is another name. I repeat. I don’t hold anyone’s views.

            Quote: Penetrator
            Which "our"? You are from Kazakhstan.


            Russian weapons
            1. Comrade Bender
              Comrade Bender 15 July 2015 19: 21
              0
              Do you have your own views or are you used to just repeating what others pour into your ears?
        3. Belgorod
          Belgorod 15 July 2015 08: 59
          +11
          photo of our newest weapons in the Donbass among militias,

          Photo please
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          2. Trailer
            Trailer 15 July 2015 09: 27
            -14
            http://storage1.censor.net.ua/images/c/3/9/b/c39be30ca2b5a87454a34fa207af3928/64
            0x357.jpg

            http://topwar.ru/66907-aistenok-na-sluzhbe-opolcheniya-dnr.html
            1. kotvov
              kotvov 15 July 2015 11: 40
              +8
              did you carefully look at what you posted? Or did you also take courses at the Sashka embassy? A bronik photo where it’s done. When is it okay? Do you use an obsession and mixed commission? Are you our watchful.
              1. Trailer
                Trailer 15 July 2015 12: 13
                -11
                So, in fact. Except for arrivals. I gave you a legal interpretation + photofacts. You don't belong to me. They have a new Russian radar, which the militia does not have, and Vystrel armored vehicles during winter exercises in the DPR. They, as you understand, are not in Hochland either. And so - I'm just for not raising the topic of those who go there. And the point.
                1. Chiropractor
                  Chiropractor 15 July 2015 13: 10
                  +4
                  photos from the censor? Here is the argument .....

                  maybe this is winter exercises in Rostov?
                  1. Trailer
                    Trailer 15 July 2015 14: 18
                    -3
                    No, this is Donbass.

                    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1131117.html
                    1. Comrade Bender
                      Comrade Bender 15 July 2015 19: 26
                      +6
                      Can you visually identify the territory of Donbass so well? We, too, have already seen photochlofacts of the entry of the Russian column into the territory of Donbass through the Rostov Mountains.
                    2. viktmell
                      viktmell 15 July 2015 22: 42
                      +6
                      If such nature is only in Donbass ... By the way, I confirm your bre ..., sorry, truthful information - only from August 2014 to February 2015, the Armed Forces destroyed 5 Armata (according to the statements of the Ukrainian media). I do not remember - 2014 - September) the Minister of Defense personally drove the latest Russian armored personnel carrier in the `` north-south '' of Lugansk ... He said that he had driven it. But he showed only his phone. His own. And I also remember an article about the old Cossack Mamai, who from oars hit the T-80 inspection hatch, after which the tank crushed a hundred Russian contract soldiers ... (By the way, a photo of the T-80 was attached.)
                2. Blackgrifon
                  Blackgrifon 15 July 2015 18: 59
                  +3
                  Quote: Karavan
                  armored vehicles "Shot" during winter exercises in the DPR

                  Nothing that the first series of Shots was launched on the market? And what BM in the Donbass without weapons modules?
                3. Comrade Bender
                  Comrade Bender 15 July 2015 19: 24
                  +3
                  Have you personally seen on the territory of the DPR all the equipment that you demonstrate here using the links? If you haven’t seen it, then you can search for more links on the internet, they will be provided with you in the required number from the corresponding special services.
                  1. perm23
                    perm23 16 July 2015 07: 36
                    +2
                    You know something like that either to prove yourself to not respect. They will always be white black. For them, only the Americans media are telling the truth. He still probably believes the Voice of America.
                4. perm23
                  perm23 16 July 2015 07: 34
                  +3
                  Yes, you got it already. There are, there are no weapons and volunteers. What difference does it make to you. You are what you climb. Yes, always and in all wars and conflicts there will be weapons from all sides and volunteers will be. Weapons for that and weapons to test it in real conditions. It always has been. And to you what is from this. Yes, there are people from Russia who beat fascists from all countries. That there are no weapons of the USA or other countries, no advisers, or how fashionable PMCs are now. Think a little bit. And most importantly, understand who is to blame for all this. NOT Russia, not the militia, not the volunteers. Who started it all.
                5. although
                  although 16 July 2015 15: 48
                  +2
                  Well, if not, then no, but where are the facts then? although stop, just found another proof:
              2. Trailer
                Trailer 15 July 2015 12: 18
                -12
                Quote: kotvov
                stork use both obs and mixed commission


                And did I say something about the OBS or the mixed commission? It's about the militia.
                1. Chiropractor
                  Chiropractor 15 July 2015 13: 16
                  +1
                  supply of non-lethal weapons, business ....
        4. Rostislav
          Rostislav 15 July 2015 10: 08
          +14
          Leads can be found without problems.

          Yeah. A whole suitcase. That's all the State Department, Psaki and the rest, pull-pull, cannot pull this suitcase into the light of God, in order to finally present it to honest people. And the Pentagon satellites also do not see anything - the suitcase is underground.
          1. talSad
            talSad 21 July 2015 06: 30
            0
            A suitcase without a pen. smile
        5. Denis Skiff
          Denis Skiff 15 July 2015 13: 02
          0
          Quote: Karavan
          this and a photo of our newest weapon in the Donbass

          and yours, which one is yours?
        6. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 15 July 2015 15: 43
          +1
          Elsewhere this is called foreign military instructors.
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        9. 1976 dogs
          1976 dogs 16 July 2015 00: 26
          0
          3 million Kiev people thought so too
        10. perm23
          perm23 16 July 2015 07: 22
          0
          Sorry you are simple.
        11. Kunar
          Kunar 16 July 2015 10: 58
          0
          It should be understood that people are divided into friends and foes. And everything else is not important.
      3. Grandfather bear
        Grandfather bear 15 July 2015 08: 14
        +8
        Sasha, in circles respecting his brain, even on a fishing trip, this "resource" is called "Gazeta, I lie." And if there is no desire to slurp the dreary "voditsa" then do not type this phrase painfully. Believe and do not please pharmacologists!
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 15 July 2015 09: 56
          +4
          "... and don't make pharmacologists happy!"
          And later, and psychiatrists. hi
          1. jjj
            jjj 15 July 2015 11: 23
            +2
            There the banal binge is largely to blame and the cause of many situations
      4. Schulz
        Schulz 15 July 2015 18: 20
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        The article was conceived as an opportunity for local lawyers to find at least some clue to protect the deserters.

        Well, how do you explain then that according to the official statistics of the Maykop garrison court, for the first half of 2015, under article 337 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, part 4 (unauthorized abandonment of part), 62 military personnel were convicted. At the same time, over the previous five years - from 2010 to 2014 - only 35 decisions were made. What are the options?

        I remember that in our training school in Tashkent, after people learned that she was "Afghan", only 8 people left without permission. Out of 800. And then 62 in six months.
        1. saenara
          saenara 15 July 2015 21: 31
          +1
          They strengthened the training and began to demand more from the soldiers.
          Previously, planes also did not crash because they did not fly. And here are six pieces per month.
        2. perm23
          perm23 16 July 2015 07: 39
          +1
          Now the people have gone completely different. Previously, people thought about the prestige of the country about their homeland, but now about money. Plus, some go to serve on a contract do not understand.
      5. Sergey Vl.
        Sergey Vl. 15 July 2015 22: 53
        0
        without insignia, but with epaulets from major and higher

        And shoulder straps are not signs of distinction ?!
        1. domokl
          domokl 16 July 2015 07: 26
          +1
          Quote: Sergey Vl.
          And shoulder straps are not signs of distinction ?!

          Including. but besides shoulder straps there must also be chevrons and certificates. On the front, they are very attentive to this. RDGs work on both sides and the dressing trick is as old as the world.
      6. sap
        sap 16 July 2015 01: 09
        +1
        Much more than tattered deserters, such a rebuke.

        Russian state banks are investing in Ukraine. Moreover, they do not just invest, but also increase their share in the assets of the Ukrainian banking system - only in 2014 did their share increase to 12%.
        This is stated in an analytical article by the international rating agency Standard & Poor's. In the same article, the rating agency estimated the aggregate risks of the largest Russian banks in Ukraine at $ 23–25 billion.
        The same figures were named by V.V. Putin "Our banks have already invested about $ 25 billion in Ukraine. The Russian Ministry of Finance issued a loan last year - another $ 5,5 billion." Gazprom "lent to the Ukrainian economy for another 4,5 - even with a discount that no one promised, by 32,5 billion dollars. Calculate how much all this together will be. This is 33,5-XNUMX billion dollars just recently! "
        It is surprising that the increase in investment from Russia is taking place against the background of the fact that foreign banks flee from Ukraine, closing their branches and subsidiary banks. It turns out that, unlike Russia, European banks are not going to support and finance the Kiev regime. But for any country, the work of the banking system is extremely important. Banks are like a circulatory system for an economy. Now Russian banks are the core of the banking system of the Ukrainian economy, its foundation, the taxes from which are used to finance ATO.
        To the amount of about 30 billion dollars issued in the form of loans, it is necessary to add about thirty billion dollars in the form of investments made by both private Russian business and government agencies. The money invested in the Ukrainian economy can already be considered lost for Russia.
        Ukrainian enterprises do not repay and service loans taken in bulk. In Ukraine, courts, driven by financial incentives received from borrowers, as well as patriotic sentiments, massively remove property from bank pledges and recognize loan agreements as not concluded. Repayment of loans issued now does not exceed 20%. Russian banks in Ukraine are ready to give 80% of the discount, if only to get back at least part of the issued funds.
        At the same time, they continue to issue new loans.
        Here is the recent news - Vnesheconombank has invested $ 303 million in its Ukrainian subsidiary Prominvestbank. The money went to secure 638 million shares that were issued by the bank in Ukraine. This is not the first such news.
        Here is January 2015: "VTB Bank is preparing a decision to recapitalize PJSC VTB Bank (Kiev) and BM Bank JSC for $ 265 million." But 265 million then was not enough. And in June 2015: “VTB intends to recapitalize VTB Ukraine by $ 800 million by the end of the year. This was stated by the head of the bank, Andrey Kostin.”
        Moreover, only recently, according to the program adopted in Russia for the capitalization of banks for 1 trillion rubles, the state transferred 27 Russian banks, and especially to those that have subsidiaries in Ukraine. Thus, they will support the Ukrainian banking system at the expense of the money of Russian taxpayers!
        But this is not only about recapitalization of banks.
        Last year, the “daughters” of the Russian “Sberbank” and “VTB” participated in the issue of military loan bonds - that is, literally in raising money for the ATO. Thank God, thanks to the noise that we made in the past and this year, they do not.

      7. sap
        sap 16 July 2015 01: 13
        0
        Russian state banks are investing in Ukraine. Moreover, they do not just invest, but also increase their share in the assets of the Ukrainian banking system - only in 2014 did their share increase to 12%.
        This is stated in an analytical article by the international rating agency Standard & Poor's. In the same article, the rating agency estimated the aggregate risks of the largest Russian banks in Ukraine at $ 23–25 billion.
        The same figures were named by V.V. Putin "Our banks have already invested about $ 25 billion in Ukraine. The Russian Ministry of Finance issued a loan last year - another $ 5,5 billion." Gazprom "lent to the Ukrainian economy for another 4,5 - even with a discount that no one promised, by 32,5 billion dollars. Calculate how much all this together will be. This is 33,5-XNUMX billion dollars just recently! "
        It is surprising that the increase in investment from Russia is taking place against the background of the fact that foreign banks flee from Ukraine, closing their branches and subsidiary banks. It turns out that, unlike Russia, European banks are not going to support and finance the Kiev regime. But for any country, the work of the banking system is extremely important. Banks are like a circulatory system for an economy. Now Russian banks are the core of the banking system of the Ukrainian economy, its foundation, the taxes from which are used to finance ATO.
        To the amount of about 30 billion dollars issued in the form of loans, it is necessary to add about thirty billion dollars in the form of investments made by both private Russian business and government agencies. The money invested in the Ukrainian economy can already be considered lost for Russia.
        Ukrainian enterprises do not repay and service loans taken in bulk. In Ukraine, courts, driven by financial incentives received from borrowers, as well as patriotic sentiments, massively remove property from bank pledges and recognize loan agreements as not concluded. Repayment of loans issued now does not exceed 20%. Russian banks in Ukraine are ready to give 80% of the discount, if only to get back at least part of the issued funds.
        At the same time, they continue to issue new loans.
        Here is the recent news - Vnesheconombank has invested $ 303 million in its Ukrainian subsidiary Prominvestbank. The money went to secure 638 million shares that were issued by the bank in Ukraine. This is not the first such news.
        Here is January 2015: "VTB Bank is preparing a decision to recapitalize PJSC VTB Bank (Kiev) and BM Bank JSC for $ 265 million." But 265 million then was not enough. And in June 2015: “VTB intends to recapitalize VTB Ukraine by $ 800 million by the end of the year. This was stated by the head of the bank, Andrey Kostin.”
        Moreover, only recently, according to the program adopted in Russia for the capitalization of banks for 1 trillion rubles, the state transferred 27 Russian banks, and especially to those that have subsidiaries in Ukraine. Thus, they will support the Ukrainian banking system at the expense of the money of Russian taxpayers!
        But this is not only about recapitalization of banks.
        Last year, the “daughters” of the Russian “Sberbank” and “VTB” participated in the issue of military loan bonds - that is, literally in raising money for the ATO. Thank God, thanks to the noise that we made in the past and this year, they do not.
        But that's not all.
      8. sap
        sap 16 July 2015 01: 23
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        Only now turned out very nasty stuff.
        Like this?
        The well-known Ukrainian and Novorossiysk politician made sensational statements in which he called on the Russian leadership to deal with the financial structures of the Russian Federation, whose Ukrainian subsidiaries indirectly support ATO.
        * * *
        Russian state banks are investing in Ukraine. Moreover, they do not just invest, but also increase their share in the assets of the Ukrainian banking system - only in 2014 did their share increase to 12%.
        This is stated in an analytical article by the international rating agency Standard & Poor's. In the same article, the rating agency estimated the aggregate risks of the largest Russian banks in Ukraine at $ 23–25 billion.
        The same figures were named by V.V. Putin "Our banks have already invested about $ 25 billion in Ukraine. The Russian Ministry of Finance issued a loan last year - another $ 5,5 billion." Gazprom "lent to the Ukrainian economy for another 4,5 - even with a discount that no one promised, by 32,5 billion dollars. Calculate how much all this together will be. This is 33,5-XNUMX billion dollars just recently! "
        It is surprising that the increase in investment from Russia is taking place against the background of the fact that foreign banks flee from Ukraine, closing their branches and subsidiary banks. It turns out that, unlike Russia, European banks are not going to support and finance the Kiev regime. But for any country, the work of the banking system is extremely important. Banks are like a circulatory system for an economy. Now Russian banks are the core of the banking system of the Ukrainian economy, its foundation, the taxes from which are used to finance ATO.
        To the amount of about 30 billion dollars issued in the form of loans, it is necessary to add about thirty billion dollars in the form of investments made by both private Russian business and government agencies. The money invested in the Ukrainian economy can already be considered lost for Russia.
        Ukrainian enterprises do not repay and service loans taken in bulk. In Ukraine, courts, driven by financial incentives received from borrowers, as well as patriotic sentiments, massively remove property from bank pledges and recognize loan agreements as not concluded. Repayment of loans issued now does not exceed 20%. Russian banks in Ukraine are ready to give 80% of the discount, if only to get back at least part of the issued funds.
        At the same time, they continue to issue new loans.
        Here is the recent news - Vnesheconombank has invested $ 303 million in its Ukrainian subsidiary Prominvestbank. The money went to secure 638 million shares that were issued by the bank in Ukraine. This is not the first such news.
        Here is January 2015: "VTB Bank is preparing a decision to recapitalize PJSC VTB Bank (Kiev) and BM Bank JSC for $ 265 million." But 265 million then was not enough. And in June 2015: “VTB intends to recapitalize VTB Ukraine by $ 800 million by the end of the year. This was stated by the head of the bank, Andrey Kostin.”
        Moreover, only recently, according to the program adopted in Russia for the capitalization of banks for 1 trillion rubles, the state transferred 27 Russian banks, and especially to those that have subsidiaries in Ukraine. Thus, they will support the Ukrainian banking system at the expense of the money of Russian taxpayers!
        But this is not only about recapitalization of banks.
        Last year, the “daughters” of the Russian “Sberbank” and “VTB” participated in the issue of military loan bonds - that is, literally in raising money for the ATO. Thank God, thanks to the noise that we made in the past and this year, they do not.
      9. shed
        shed 17 July 2015 12: 58
        +1
        the one who watches the chronicle from the Donbass can be convinced by age who is fighting, mostly respectable uncles, the article is paid for, and if there are deserters, which I doubt, you don’t want to go to war, especially reconnaissance, go to the battalion, you won’t betray
      10. OlegLex
        OlegLex 17 July 2015 14: 28
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        Well, apparently, you can’t shoot with modern weapons in Maykop. Somehow the weapon is not adapted to the peaceful life of a peaceful city. He needs room. And a soldier should own his weapon, and not just wear ..

        in the Maykop division one of the largest firing ranges in the region, and they shoot enough there.
        Regarding the Rostov training ground, it is so surprising that units with real combat experience are deployed there, the border is near, and you need to be full Serdyukov so that there would be no concentration of troops.
        And by the way, there are no rural areas in the Russian Federation.
        stationed in the October (rural) district of the Rostov region


        And yet, what a freak it is necessary to be in order to protect deserters, especially contractors
        Maybe even the journalists wanted the best
    2. Conn
      Conn 16 July 2015 16: 06
      0
      "Good intentions"? Is this what they call Russophobic articles from zhurnalushlukh?
      Well-intentioned paved road to hell, ungracious!
  3. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 15 July 2015 06: 19
    +23
    It is necessary to check the accounts and transfers to the newspaper accounts where the money came from for this "article" in the newspaper and for what. For what this money is already clear. And this is actually treason. The newspaper in the furnace, the editor and those involved in Siberia to master and build.
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 15 July 2015 07: 09
      +17
      Quote: Tatar 174
      It is necessary to check the accounts and transfers to the newspaper accounts where the money came from for this "article" in the newspaper and for what.

      Gazeta.ru - billionaire Alexander Mamut and American entrepreneur Andrew Paulson (owners of LiveJournal for a moment).
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 15 July 2015 07: 42
        +9
        Quote: Sid.74
        Gazeta.ru - billionaire Alexander Mamut and American entrepreneur Andrew Paulson (owners of LiveJournal for a moment).

        All clear. Foreign agents. You don’t have to expect anything else from them. Russia is only a source of profit for them, but the people? People what? The people will somehow manage.
    2. free
      free 15 July 2015 08: 45
      +6
      Yes, it’s better 9 grams for treason, well, or to the extreme population to throw out the country with the deprivation of citizenship!
    3. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 15 July 2015 09: 59
      +2
      "... to develop and build on Siberia."
      What is it that Mother Siberia was so guilty of sending to any shusher unworthy to send there?
      "Newspaper in the firebox, editor and associates" - same way. am am am So that it might be disgraceful for others
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 15 July 2015 10: 17
        +1
        Quote: Black Colonel
        What is it that Mother Siberia was so guilty of sending to any shusher unworthy to send there?

        laughing She grinds Siberia man, all rot dies there, only those who can change, who can love her, who love life and people, survive
        Well, either very adaptable bastards, on such experiments it is necessary to set different ones what
      2. Air Force captain
        Air Force captain 15 July 2015 11: 06
        +2
        On the archipelago of Franz Joseph ..... in Siberia is not a nadad- people live there norms
  4. Badabum
    Badabum 15 July 2015 06: 31
    +13
    The fifth column in action! What else can you say? She is not only marching in Bolotnaya and broadcasts on Matza's Ear, but has also appeared in the press. Oh, you involuntarily remember the good old KGB ...
    1. domokl
      domokl 15 July 2015 06: 36
      +11
      Exactly. Only now on Bolotnaya they have already learned how to calculate and press them. And in the regions so far ... that is why the "freedom-loving liberals" are moving to the regions. And they buy up local resources wholesale and retail.
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 15 July 2015 07: 30
        +5
        Alexander hi , In the distant 1992, I was at training camps near Maykop, including at the shooting and tank ranges. So everything was and is still there, including even an artillery range. What scouts do in the Rostov region is not very clear, because in the Krasnodar Territory and its immediate vicinity there are all possible types of training grounds for different conditions - plain, mountainous, rough terrain, etc. For scouts - an excellent training ground in Molkino, where special forces are training.
        I don’t understand at all: was there a boy (boys)? And why it is necessary to meet the fighter’s mother in Maykop (this, of course, is the capital of Adygea, but a rather small town, and not all of its population serves in this military unit), if the court was probably the Rostov district.
        It was not worth making a sensation from a left-wing newspaper publication, until all the facts are unknown or incomprehensible.
        1. igorvoschenko
          igorvoschenko 15 July 2015 08: 18
          +6
          I live in Maykop. This team was generally relocated to the Rostov region. My colleague at work sent her husband there. She also quit and left there, sort of like they will live there.
        2. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 15 July 2015 10: 08
          +9
          "It is not very clear what the scouts should do in the Rostov region"
          Perhaps there are not only scouts, but also the rest of the brigade. And the demonstration of the flag at the borders of a neighboring state does not mean direct interference in its affairs. But it often solves some political issues. And the redeployment of OWN TROOPS ON THE TERRITORY OF ITS STATE is not an act of aggression, and this circumstance should not bother anyone "over the hill", because these concerns were laid with the device. am
        3. solar99
          solar99 15 July 2015 13: 32
          +2
          Quote: inkass_98
          ... What the scouts do in the Rostov region is not very clear, since in the Krasnodar Territory and its immediate vicinity there are all possible types of training grounds for different conditions - plain, mountainous, rough terrain, etc. For scouts - a great training ground in Molkino, where special forces are training ...
          .

          The intelligence has EW units that train, including listening to "enemy voices". I served in Belarus (11th Ombr) and our intelligence regularly traveled closer to the border with Poland to "wiretap".
          And Ukraine until recently was a friendly state ...
      2. Sparapet
        Sparapet 15 July 2015 08: 51
        -16
        Quote: domokl
        Exactly. Only now on Bolotnaya they have already learned how to calculate and press them. And in the regions so far ... that is why the "freedom-loving liberals" are moving to the regions. And they buy up local resources wholesale and retail.

        Why are you calling, dear Domocles, for the Gulag and extrajudicial executions in the basements of the NKVD? It turns out that the Communists shot a little, do we still have to put some of the disadvantages on the wall?
        1. Sparapet
          Sparapet 15 July 2015 10: 21
          -6
          Surprising four minuses to my comment, dear minus members, you may find yourself in the position of the executed, but not the executioners.
          1. noWAR
            noWAR 15 July 2015 10: 41
            +5
            Fifth, I think it will not surprise?
            1. Sparapet
              Sparapet 15 July 2015 11: 24
              -8
              Quote: noWAR
              Fifth, I think it will not surprise?

              At the moment you are already the twelfth, can you justify your minus?
          2. ymNIK1970
            ymNIK1970 15 July 2015 14: 02
            +5
            For sparapet
            And they have been shooting us for a long time. Transnistria 1992, Moscow 1993, ChIASSR peak 1993-95, "Nord-Ost" 2002, Ossetia 2008, Kiev, Mariupol, Odessa, Slavyansk, Lugansk, Donetsk 2014. We were killed and killed there. So, yes, we want to protect ourselves from non-humans and put things in order in our house.
            1. Sparapet
              Sparapet 15 July 2015 14: 43
              -4
              Quote: ymNIK1970
              For sparapet
              And they have been shooting us for a long time. Transnistria 1992, Moscow 1993, ChIASSR peak 1993-95, "Nord-Ost" 2002, Ossetia 2008, Kiev, Mariupol, Odessa, Slavyansk, Lugansk, Donetsk 2014. We were killed and killed there. So, yes, we want to protect ourselves from non-humans and put things in order in our house.

              All of the tragedies you mentioned above occurred after the collapse of a great country, if I am against the Communists, this does not mean that I am opposed to a single country, which, unfortunately, can no longer be returned sad.The country, built by the Communists on godlessness and lies, envy of near and outright robbery of people, in particular the destruction of entire classes of people, did not last long and collapsed without a single shot, people often say that the USSR collapsed for one reason or another, forgetting to say that without God in the heart of any state is doomed.
        2. Badabum
          Badabum 15 July 2015 10: 23
          +6
          Thank God, we do not live in the era of the NKVD. There are other methods of conducting "outreach activities" with these residents. For some reason, when in a country "the light of democracy" in all media there is a strict censorship of information that goes against the policy of the state, then it is GOOD. But when in Russia all sorts of rubbish makes such sh ... ry, then just try to put this traitor in his place. Everyone immediately remembers the NKVD, the Communists, Stalin ... All these myths, which of course have a grain of truth, are deliberately cultivated and denigrated so that Russians feel guilty and do not raise their mane when they hit the back of the head.
          1. Sparapet
            Sparapet 15 July 2015 11: 18
            -6
            Quote: Badabum
            Thank God, we do not live in the era of the NKVD. There are other methods of conducting "outreach activities" with these residents. For some reason, when in a country "the light of democracy" in all media there is a strict censorship of information that goes against the policy of the state, then it is GOOD. But when in Russia all sorts of rubbish makes such sh ... ry, then just try to put this traitor in his place. Everyone immediately remembers the NKVD, the Communists, Stalin ... All these myths, which of course have a grain of truth, are deliberately cultivated and denigrated so that Russians feel guilty and do not raise their mane when they hit the back of the head.

            At first, the NKVD did not shoot people in batches, it acted softer, giving terms of two or three years, and then it got a taste and the shootings began. Yes, and who will determine whether this person or hero is a traitor, I wrote about my great-grandfather in an article yesterday he fought for several years on the Caucasian front during World War I, was awarded two St. George crosses for courage in battle, after the collapse of the Caucasian front, he fought in the Armenian units against the Turks, defended his native village from Georgian troops invading Armenia at the end of 1918, in short, a man who laid down his life for the ministry of his country, be it the Russian Empire or Armenia, and what did such a person get after the Bolsheviks came to power in Armenia? He was accused of serving the Dashnaks and not defending his homeland, spoiled a lot of blood for him and his family . I myself admitted yesterday that for ideological reasons I am a nationalist (I’m not afraid of the word), that is, a patriot of my country, but I don’t see what the Communists led to with their KVD can only be blind.
            1. ymNIK1970
              ymNIK1970 15 July 2015 14: 08
              +1
              Many families suffered from the Judeo-Budyonovites. They come and go. Russia and we remain.
        3. domokl
          domokl 15 July 2015 10: 35
          +6
          Quote: Sparapet
          Why are you calling, dear Domocles, to the Gulag?

          And where did you read that? Just the opposite. The press must be honest. So, the journalist should be responsible for what he writes.
          Why in "democratic" countries are they not afraid to hit on the hands and pinch the tongue of liars, but we tolerate?
          If the state is independent, then it must independently, for example, resolve issues with foreign agents, with unwanted citizens. Independently and without humiliating explanation of the "world community".
          If the state is independent and independent, it must be able to defend itself. including defamation.
          1. Sparapet
            Sparapet 15 July 2015 10: 59
            -3
            Quote: domokl
            Quote: Sparapet
            Why are you calling, dear Domocles, to the Gulag?

            And where did you read that? Just the opposite. The press must be honest. So, the journalist should be responsible for what he writes.
            Why in "democratic" countries are they not afraid to hit on the hands and pinch the tongue of liars, but we tolerate?
            If the state is independent, then it must independently, for example, resolve issues with foreign agents, with unwanted citizens. Independently and without humiliating explanation of the "world community".
            If the state is independent and independent, it must be able to defend itself. including defamation.

            “A journalist should be responsible for what he writes” - I completely agree with you, the Gazeta.ru journalists cited specific facts, real people with names and surnames, titles and positions who are not satisfied with this contract and who want to terminate it, instead of discussing the possibility of early termination of the contract and, if at the moment there is no such mechanism, then start a discussion for the introduction of the mechanism of early termination of the contract in military units, you cite pseudo-patriotic slogans and explanations like “well, you yourself understand” I can say that I myself was a volunteer in the war, I slept on bare ground more than once, but if a soldier is not given a sleeping bag during exercises, and you explain this by the fact that a scout needs to sleep on bare ground so that << tempered >>, then you will forgive me, this is no longer tempering, but slovenliness and disregard for the soldier, which you are trying to cover up with patriotic words.
            1. 6 inches
              6 inches 15 July 2015 11: 05
              +3
              Do you really believe that he was fed by the militias?
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            3. Proud.
              Proud. 15 July 2015 17: 36
              +5
              Quote: Sparapet
              Gazeta.ru journalists cited specific facts, real people with first and last names, ranks and positions who are not satisfied with this contract and who want to terminate it, in

              No. This newspaper insists on the fact (groundlessly, guided by fantasy fabrications) that the contractors do not want to go “to fight in Ukraine.” It is likely that one of the cunning lawyers of the deserters (who violated the terms of the contract) gave them a similar explanation. So, the names , surnames, titles are real, but the reasons are invented, covering up their own inconsistency (they chose the wrong path).
              Quote: Sparapet
              I can say that I myself was a volunteer in the war, I slept on bare ground more than once, but if a soldier is not given a sleeping bag during exercises, and you explain this by the fact that a scout needs to sleep on bare ground in order to be `` tempered '', then Forgive me, this is no longer tempering, but slovenliness and disregard for the soldier, which you are trying to cover up with patriotic words.

              The key word is TEACHING. And not the fact that it was exactly as these "fighters" claim. And I do not see anything covered by patriotic words. I see unverified information given by a source unfriendly to my Country, and crying deserters who believed that An army under a contract, this is to sleep, s ... b, and to eat. And while getting good money.
        4. 6 inches
          6 inches 15 July 2015 10: 59
          0
          Yes, like no one even urged them not to be judged .. why did you get this?
  5. vasiliysxx
    vasiliysxx 15 July 2015 06: 31
    +15
    This is the usual ch.m.o., they were always in the army, and they always ran, it’s just such an excuse now.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 July 2015 06: 40
    +9
    Well, what can I say? The professionalism of our journalism corps is growing at an unprecedented pace. And the fantasy is wretched, and even with fact-checking - bad.
    Previously, all the dithers had an excuse - "hazing". Type of "demobilization" completely zadolbali, and had to run.
    I won’t be surprised if through the efforts of such zhurnalyug the most popular excuse for the runners will be - I did not want to go to war! And it doesn’t even matter which one, who called him there, and in general. What if the bosses or, God forbid, the investigators, get scared of the political background, and fall behind?
    1. tweezers
      tweezers 15 July 2015 09: 25
      +6
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      the most popular excuse for the runners will be - did not want to war! And it doesn’t even matter what, who called him there, and in general

      I agree with you - some stupid article ... what does it mean - "did not want to go to war"? and I would have understood, if a conscript had said this - he was DRAFTED into the army ... but we are talking about contract soldiers! Don't they know why they are signing this contract and what they might have to do? I do not believe! I have an acquaintance, he is, so to speak, a "professional contract soldier", so he directly says - "I, except how to shoot, do not know how to do anything, what can I do in civilian life?" this is simple and understandable, otherwise - "I don't want to go to war" ...
      1. Vishnevsky
        Vishnevsky 15 July 2015 11: 20
        +4
        You just have to admit that in view of the difficult economic situation and the lack of decent work in the regions, young people are going to serve under the contract. And the motivation is not patriotic at all, but purely monetary.
  7. Aqela
    Aqela 15 July 2015 06: 45
    +7
    The article looks weakly supported by arguments. Explanations like "well, you yourself understand" are not convincing. Let there be a little more letters, but it is still better to have a detailed argument.
    A real ideological war is going on on the Internet, which is engaged not only by d'e'biles, but also by quite literate people.
    By the way, an explanation for the moderators: the word "d-e-b-i-l" is a medical term. Do you think autocorrecting medical terms to dumb and worthless analogies sounds serious?
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 15 July 2015 07: 58
      +2
      Well yes. Three degrees of dementia: de-beat, imbicil, id-and-from. But you can write only about one laughing
  8. Putinets
    Putinets 15 July 2015 06: 51
    +10
    Another one named Vasilyeva is probably already killing the 20th Pskov division (the division is growing just like a dragon's head, in a moment). By the way, this stuffing was once transmitted by "Autoradio" I heard myself. But for some reason 1 time. The essence of such stuffing - if picked up, then luck. But then I specifically listened, never repeated. Liberal Toy Terriers - screeching a lot, but you keep thinking, I'll kick it, so there will be even more screeching.
  9. press officer
    press officer 15 July 2015 07: 25
    +3
    Quote: Badabum
    The fifth column in action! What else can you say? She is not only marching in Bolotnaya and broadcasts on Matza's Ear, but has also appeared in the press. Oh, you involuntarily remember the good old KGB ...



    I already wrote about this ... I repeat, they drove this blizzard along Echo with such pathos that it created exactly the "necessary" impression .. Like our soldiers are sent to war, their ukrovoyaks will crash there, and ours will write off retroactively, etc. How they (on Echo) rejoiced when they read the article ... negative
    1. igorvoschenko
      igorvoschenko 15 July 2015 08: 20
      +6
      And who is listening to the echo? In Russia, who? It is not for us, for the leaders of the West. It would never occur to me to listen to such crap.
  10. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 15 July 2015 07: 36
    +3
    All double basses through survival courses! Many with a belly dropped out during the event. But this must be done as a condition before signing the contract fellow
    1. Vishnevsky
      Vishnevsky 15 July 2015 11: 24
      +2
      These courses are largely stupid and do not take into account the VUS for which a person comes to serve. And for reconnaissance, a serious selection is needed, such as in the 45th Airborne Regiment or the Senezh.
  11. Bassoon
    Bassoon 15 July 2015 07: 36
    +9
    Gazeta.ru for some time belonged to Khodorkovsky, who acquired the brand in 1999. The chief editor there was Vladislav Borodulin, who was trampled down from Kommersant for a lousy article about the late Yevgeny Maksimovich Primakov, who then ordered the aircraft to be deployed over the Atlantic. So it’s clear where the hands grow from.
  12. Egoza
    Egoza 15 July 2015 07: 58
    +6
    The bad news is that people believe that. what they read in the newspaper. And even here it is not an attempt to justify the deserters (in vain you accuse these journalists of unprofessionalism). There is a fairly competent influence on the subconscious, this is exactly the "neurolinguistic programming" of NLP, when a hint is thrown in, and the rest is already thought out by the readers themselves. Do you think it was written in vain that "next to the militias ..."? Immediately the chain is built: aha! threw it to Ukraine and there ... "the next hint, and again the chain .... It's time, it's time to deal with such publications, otherwise you yourself will not notice what the people will turn into.
    1. Sparapet
      Sparapet 15 July 2015 09: 45
      -7
      Quote: Egoza
      The bad news is that people believe that. what they read in the newspaper. And even here it is not an attempt to justify the deserters (in vain you accuse these journalists of unprofessionalism). There is a fairly competent influence on the subconscious, this is exactly the "neurolinguistic programming" of NLP, when a hint is thrown in, and the rest is already thought out by the readers themselves. Do you think it was written in vain that "next to the militias ..."? Immediately the chain is built: aha! threw it to Ukraine and there ... "the next hint, and again the chain .... It's time, it's time to deal with such publications, otherwise you yourself will not notice what the people will turn into.

      When the Armenian people defended their trampled rights in 2008 after rigged elections, tanks were launched against ordinary people and popular protest was suppressed. The leaders of the populace were accused of "neurolinguistic programming" wassat and threw them into prison, so this term, dear Egoza, is not new in Armenian reality, the stealing power always tries to save him at all costs. Attempts by the Armenian kleptocratic government to maintain its dominance over the country led to disastrous results: the country every day losing their citizens, they flee from their own country, where they found themselves in the role of wordless servants, carrying out the will of their masters, the combat effectiveness of the army is undermined, the size of the army is steadily declining, because young people mostly leave the country, the morale in the army is not up to par, yes and where to be morale, if conscripts come to serve in the army with a lack of weight, simply put, they have nothing at home.
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 15 July 2015 11: 56
        +1
        Quote: Sparapet
        in the role of wordless servants, fulfilling the will of their masters,

        And whose will was carried out by the Dashnaks who staged a terrorist attack in the Moscow metro in January 1977?
    2. Duke
      Duke 15 July 2015 10: 40
      +2
      Quote: Egoza
      There is a fairly competent effect on the subconscious, this is exactly the "neurolinguistic programming" of NLP, when a hint is thrown in, and the rest is already thought out by the readers themselves.

      Thank you Elena for the right words.
      1. jjj
        jjj 15 July 2015 11: 29
        0
        NLP is a bit different. Printed text does not apply. There are other methods of influencing the subconscious. NLP is primarily direct contact and verbal impact. Moreover, a special gift is needed in order to exert such an impact. Otherwise, we all would only know each other that we programmed
  13. akribos
    akribos 15 July 2015 08: 10
    +3
    Everything happens, why panic, escaped and escaped, the reasons are different, the first time. It is necessary to think, the commissars in the military registration and enlistment office, whom and where they are sending, otherwise the plan was executed on appeal and that's all. There are so many cases that I don’t want to tell, many already know that in the units such letters with characteristics are tightly sealed, which sometimes takes fear. Do commanders what? They sent what is. Selection should be carried out in the military enlistment office better and in my opinion, it is necessary to make conditions that would be appropriate for people after high schools, I would like to serve the motherland. Someone will probably disagree, but I want to say that the absolute majority of adequate and capable people do not get into the army, and this is very bad, because now you don’t really give in to the third and fourth platoons, I have such an opinion. Yes, and it would be nice to make barracks of brick for people. Sincerely.
  14. Brod9iga87
    Brod9iga87 15 July 2015 08: 13
    -2
    I live 10 km from this training ground, it’s also Cossack camps during the explosive training camp, artillery does not stop there for days, in Chaltar, military KAMAZs without a state. numbers whole columns and yes the brother of a friend is on a business trip in Ukraine, the position of a platoon com. Minus to whom as much as you want, I can prove that I live there, any questions that drive us, that our people don’t sleep and work because I don’t see anything shameful
    1. AndreyS
      AndreyS 16 July 2015 13: 45
      +4
      Quote: Brod9iga87
      Yes, a friend’s brother is on a business trip in Ukraine, the position of a platoon

      What a fine fellow you are! You write his last name, otherwise the censor does not have enough evidence of the presence of Russian troops! Or maybe this guy was resting with his mistress, but told everyone that he was in Ukraine ?! (otmazatsya then the wife needs, why did not he call) And the fact that the training of personnel is going on at the training ground is great, but it is not necessary to post posts on the Internet about this! Or maybe you signed up for that on July 15, 2015, so that you could post such "wonderful" testimonies ?!
    2. ibnvladimir
      ibnvladimir 17 July 2015 13: 44
      0
      Well, the first leading question - why are you talking about this?
  15. RED_ICE
    RED_ICE 15 July 2015 08: 16
    -5
    Delusional article. Personally, I think that everything is true about contract soldiers, because at all times the Maykop brigade went to the training ground in Molkino, Krasnodar Territory ...
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    1. Brod9iga87
      Brod9iga87 15 July 2015 08: 21
      +6
      This is the training ground of the VV division DON (special purpose division) chevron horse head on a black background, why send troops of other purpose there? Another question is, what are these contractors who, at any probability of being used for their intended purpose, run home? !!! '
  17. Rambiaka
    Rambiaka 15 July 2015 08: 17
    +3
    Well, enemy publications also need to be read, otherwise nothing. The picture should be holistic, and the conclusions objective.
  18. sunzhenets
    sunzhenets 15 July 2015 08: 21
    +3
    Gazeta ... Of course, their journalist knows a lot about the army.
    Some people appeared without insignia, but with shoulder straps not lower than the major and directly suggested - "go to the militia"

    The presence of major epaulettes - But without the insignia?
    DECREE OF THE PRESIDIUM OF THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE USSR
    ON THE INTRODUCTION OF NEW SIGNS OF DIFFERENCE FOR THE PERSONNEL OF THE RED ARMY
    1. To satisfy the petition of the People’s Commissariat of Defense and introduce, instead of the existing ones, new insignia - shoulder straps for the personnel of the Red Army.

    2. To approve samples and a description of the new insignia of the personnel of the Red Army. *

    3. The People’s Commissar of Defense of the USSR to establish the timing of the transition to new insignia and make the necessary changes to the uniform of the personnel of the Red Army. **

    Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR M. KALININ
    Secretary of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR A. GORKIN
    Moscow Kremlin. January 6, 1943
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 15 July 2015 10: 32
      0
      Quote: Sunflower
      The presence of major epaulettes - But without the insignia?

      I suppose that the authors of this opus had in mind the absence of chevrons and signs of military affiliation - you never know if there is a "Forester" as in a joke hi
  19. RiverVV
    RiverVV 15 July 2015 08: 22
    +5
    I can believe that several contractors rebelled and dumped from the landfill. I can also believe that they were not fed there, and bearded militias grazed in crowds around them. I can even believe in a major without insignia (although shoulder straps - in themselves, are such a sign).

    But I will never believe that the special forces would refuse to go to war.
    1. Brod9iga87
      Brod9iga87 15 July 2015 08: 29
      +8
      Exactly, what kind of newspaper is this with the index RU that protects the MILITARY SERVICES who refused to carry out the COMBAT mission and ran home to their mother, if you don't want to serve, don't serve !!! They also ran to the newspaper crying "bad guys without insignia made me fulfill my oath and work off my money"
      1. RiverVV
        RiverVV 15 July 2015 11: 16
        +1
        No, it’s just impossible to refuse to carry out a combat mission. It just doesn’t happen, because the task is extremely rarely set for each fighter individually. Actually, I can come up with only one such case: a solitary guard on temporary duty, before the organization of the guard service. But this does not remove him from subordination to his superiors. In other cases, the task is assigned to the unit, unit, unit, etc. .. Even if 99% of the personnel is killed, or deserts, or even goes over to the side of the enemy, the order will be executed by the rest.

        Therefore, the special forces (and not only them), in principle, can not refuse to fight. Separate commandos - yes, they can. But not the whole part.
      2. RiverVV
        RiverVV 15 July 2015 11: 24
        +1
        As a fun example, I will share a singing lesson. In the second week of training, we had a test. The underground came from the district headquarters and did not like much. The next day, Saturday, at five in the morning, the entire unit was alerted. We ran two kilometers to the shooting range, then back, already in gas masks. At -20 is still a pleasure. We returned to the location, lined up on the parade ground (the rubber bands were removed, of course), our lieutenant colonel said (literally): “Yesterday the third platoon of the first company showed an unsatisfactory performance of the marching song at a drill inspection. If one platoon cannot sing, then the whole unit cannot sing. we learned to sing. I don’t know how to teach in any other way. On Monday the review will be repeated and, based on its results, a decision on further studies will be made.
        And all Sunday we walked in line and sang.
    2. denis02135
      denis02135 15 July 2015 13: 44
      +2
      Dear RiverVV

      You are probably right, only after a troubled story with Erofeev and Aleksandrov, the contractor will think 100 times whether they will go to Ukraine or not.
      1. RiverVV
        RiverVV 15 July 2015 15: 24
        +1
        That is why almost all tasty buns for military personnel depend on their length of service, participation in hostilities, etc. The contract can be terminated ahead of schedule, but it is still believed that a soldier must overcome and be ready.
    3. ibnvladimir
      ibnvladimir 17 July 2015 13: 50
      0
      There is a book on this topic, a wonderful one, in my opinion, "I have the honor" called, Pikul wrote. There, the possibility of war is discussed by officers in the wardroom, and not just contract soldiers. Artistically, but also interesting.
  20. jovanni
    jovanni 15 July 2015 08: 25
    +8
    And why does the Russian Ministry of Defense not bring a claim against these journalists for libel through the courts if they are lying? What is kept silent, because the harm from such newspapers is enormous! But! If the Ministry of Defense does not “notice” such a journalistic “push” and does not seek to bring the slanderers to clean water, seditious thought begins to creep into their heads, is this water really so clean? If they are afraid of disclosing state secrets, there are closed hearings ...
    1. Großer feldherr
      Großer feldherr 16 July 2015 01: 44
      -2
      Quote: Jovanni
      seditious thought begins to creep in

      You see, that begins to sneak in the head at the local target audience, for the rest of the planet is already commonplace evidence.
      The author of this article sitting on the couch certainly knows better why the soldiers fled than the deserters themselves... Likewise, he knows much better than they know that there is no Russian support for the militia. Millions of photos of Russian contractors against the background of Ukrainian territory are fake, shot down Russian drones are fake, dozens of blown up T-72bz-fake, many booster blocks for missiles "shell" are fake ... and this is not the whole list, but only that came to mind. And on this site real experts have gathered who know: the militia defeats a 10 times superior and much better armed enemy solely due to the moral and strong-willed qualities of precisely those Ukrainians who lived in Donbas, the rest are not given this.
  21. driver
    driver 15 July 2015 08: 28
    +3
    The article is clearly custom-made. Writing level. It is high time to publish on the title page of each printed publication whether this publication is a foreign agent. It will be immediately clear, read, or immediately into the toilet.
  22. meriem1
    meriem1 15 July 2015 08: 36
    +2
    Gazeta.ru and other "editions" have long been causing a persistent gag reflex. Having become infected with the Ukrainian bacillus of "truth", they pour their nonsense into the mill of the West.
    About "warriors" ... to sit at the base and get paid is of course a good pastime. Only this is not what contractors are needed for. If the point is hefty narrow, then let the cows graze.
    Liberators changed their tactics. They are positioned as their own. But from under the tishka they continue to shit. It's like with an NGO. After all, if you are engaged in purely help and charity, without engaging in politics, then you will not be tarnished by the fact that you are a foreign agent. If you are promoting someone's opinion, then the "stigma" of a foreign agent creates serious problems. The Scripture says for what deeds and who and how they are determined. Even those who are glad to be deceived by the "pearls" of such media have already learned how to play 2 and 2. The time has passed when lies and similar manipulations were perceived as true.
  23. Old26
    Old26 15 July 2015 08: 44
    +2
    Previously, there was only "Lenta.RU"now and "Newspaper. VRU"
  24. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 15 July 2015 08: 53
    +5
    Spend an experiment. In an ordinary military unit overgrown with garages, cottages, etc. announce at the construction site that in a month there will be a relocation to the RPM - well, at least to Cape Dezhnev. This is where the moment of truth will be!
  25. IAlex
    IAlex 15 July 2015 09: 03
    +3
    I always liked messages like: "The neighbor said, the woman announced, the man wrote" - when you ask who exactly, tell me the name and surname so that I can talk to him, it turns out that this is kind of "confidential" information :)))))) ))
  26. Wedmak
    Wedmak 15 July 2015 09: 07
    +1
    Everything is simple, the simpler the nonsense, the faster the narrow-minded citizens will believe in it. And those who go to check these "facts" from other sources ... well, the material is not designed for them. For them there are more subtle methods of influence.
  27. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 July 2015 09: 12
    +3
    Yes zhurnalyushkam from such newspapers just about what to write about, most importantly, what would be hotter. The author would have simply looked at the headlines of articles in such newspapers, generally marveled. Ha, they made us sleep on the boards ... Yes, the dude is still kapets as lucky. Because there is still a sea of ​​options on which you can sleep in the field.
    1. aviator1913
      aviator1913 15 July 2015 10: 05
      -4
      The question is how long it takes to sleep like that. If a week, then be patient, and then a few months. The friend of the gunner himself, because of these exercises in Rostov, withdrew from the contract. Now he is saving up money to pay off.

      Due to premature termination of the contract, a forfeit is laid large ..
  28. Tomich2
    Tomich2 15 July 2015 09: 39
    -5
    like everything on this site is true, yeah
    1. Proud.
      Proud. 15 July 2015 17: 39
      +1
      Quote: Tomic2
      like everything on this site is true, yeah

      Yep ...
  29. Leader
    Leader 15 July 2015 09: 52
    +7
    Personally, I am amazed at the effeminacy of modern "boys" - some kind of pederasts ...
    Not all, of course! But there are many of them - at the slightest difficulty they begin to whine and cry.
    Not able to clean up after itself, nor cook for itself, nor settle in (at the training ground, for example).

    I remember that in the 90s ALL "years" before demobilization strenuously swayed on a makeshift sports ground - without any simulators there (the best weighting agent is a tank track). And nobody whined.
    But every year, the pitching on the sports ground became less and less ...
    And after the 2000s, conscripts sat in the relaxation room and watched MTV music videos ...
    Immediately felt - another generation, another upbringing (or lack thereof), other priorities.

    And as for the contractors - generally tin! The Ministry of Defense selects any "volunteers" - just to show that "the transition to a contract army has been successfully completed"!
    They row everyone - miserable, dead, abnormal ...
    Where is the obligatory surrender of "physo" - when making a decision on enrollment in contract soldiers ?!
    Where is the trial period - before signing the first contract ?!
    I believe that the selection for the army should be stricter, and the "course of a young soldier" - tougher.
    Then those transferred to the reserve will be proud of their training and their skills as a "real man", and the state should provide such advantages in civilian life - when studying, working, getting housing ...
    1. Vishnevsky
      Vishnevsky 15 July 2015 11: 31
      0
      Since 2008, the country has been "humanizing" the army. The officers have their hands tied by the prosecutor's office, there are no real and proven methods of educating l / s, everyone is now literate with the Internet.
      1. ibnvladimir
        ibnvladimir 17 July 2015 14: 26
        0
        Itself on an urgent basis I pissed, that I would be thundering into the disbat, for "insubordination" of some kind. They stupidly arranged army everyday life. And upon returning, it seems like there is nothing to be proud of. Okay, at least a "long hike" behind them, but after all, there are three VUSa - a janitor, a technician and a dishwasher. No, of course I'm officially a "diesel genius electrician" or something like that, although in fact a dosimetrist chemist. It's just a shame that the once-best armed forces in the world have turned into "the more oak trees in the army, the stronger our defense." It is the task of the state to "increase the prestige" of service in the ranks ... It seems that now (compared to 2008) something has begun to move. Let us cross our fingers and pray (as the governor of the Samara region bequeathed) for our soldiers.
    2. jjj
      jjj 15 July 2015 11: 32
      +2
      Quote: Leader
      They row everyone - miserable, dead, abnormal ...

      And you try to conclude a contract with MO. You will be surprised
    3. Aksakal_07
      Aksakal_07 15 July 2015 18: 08
      0
      What's true is true. There are many more mothers' sons and other weaklings. One of the factors in the reproduction of these "nerds": children saw enough television in the 90s and early 2000s, where the main characters on various talk shows for young people were numerous "fagots" who, not without self-admiration, told about themselves: "When I "mowed" from the army ... "Well, and what can you learn in life, if up to 18 years old every day you see such people on all TV channels?
      1. ibnvladimir
        ibnvladimir 17 July 2015 14: 27
        0
        Conclusion - nefig watch TV
  30. Victor-M
    Victor-M 15 July 2015 10: 09
    0
    According to investigators, the contract soldiers left the Kadamovsky training ground "not wanting to endure the hardships and deprivations of military service." Now all these contractors (this is a few dozen people) under investigation under Art. 337 of the Criminal Code (“Unauthorized abandonment of a unit”, up to five years in prison) and Art. 338 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (“Desertion”, up to ten years)

    In the virtual world of "Call of Duty No. ...?" more interesting, warmer and more satisfying, and most importantly safer. wink
  31. Trailer
    Trailer 15 July 2015 10: 19
    +1
    Quote: Rostislav
    That's all the State Department, Psaki and the rest, pull-pull, cannot pull this suitcase into the light of God, in order to finally present it to honest people.


    The State Department and the Caravan were compared
    1. ibnvladimir
      ibnvladimir 17 July 2015 14: 29
      0
      Well, finally, at least a little self-irony. And the truth is "out there somewhere."
  32. bbss
    bbss 15 July 2015 11: 20
    +1
    The newspaper is clearly the enemy. Panfilov's men were canceled, contractors and conscripts "ran away", and yesterday they "canceled" Prokhorovka. Everything is according to the script ...
  33. Major_Vortex
    Major_Vortex 15 July 2015 11: 48
    +1
    If only gazeta.ru, which has long been involved in provocations. Now the network has launched hundreds of Internet resources that position themselves as Russian, but their activities can be described as anti-Russian.

    You can even directly from VO to get to such sites. When viewing comments on articles on the right side, a window pops up on the right, where often there are 2-3 links to provocative resources. I didn’t notice this before. But more recently, intensified.

    And if you wander in Google or Yandex, then there is a whole scattering of them. SV, Gazeta.ru, on RBC often dubious articles slip through, before Lenta.ru was constantly different. There are more such sites, of course. 70billion dollars allocated for the "democratization" of Russia, and this is not a penny.
    1. Feka
      Feka 15 July 2015 13: 21
      +3
      Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
      When viewing comments on articles, a window pops up on the right side

      Install a special add-on in your browser and this enemy propaganda will disappear along with any unnecessary ads yes
      But seriously, people, tell me what kind of veteran status such they were promised which (gives the right to numerous benefits, housing, etc. - "Gazeta.Ru")? If anything, I have a "Participant in Combat Actions", but there are no such benefits feel And all the guys with whom I was there also do not. So these journalism lies like gray geldings.
      1. Major_Vortex
        Major_Vortex 15 July 2015 13: 40
        0
        Quote: Fёka
        Install a special add-on in your browser and this enemy propaganda will disappear along with any unnecessary ads yes

        This is not a pop-up ad. I have all the baner cutters. Today, however, there is no this pop-up menu. They may redo it or abandoned this element altogether.

        On the topic of provocative sites: Roskomnadzor issued warnings to Rosbalt for inciting ethnic hatred:http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/7/15/756295.html.
      2. Feka
        Feka 15 July 2015 13: 41
        0
        Aaa, damn it, now I re-read my comment, the feeling that I wrote about Ukraine. Do not misunderstand, the "veteran" was awarded to me for something else. Sorry for tongue-tied, in general it was an attempt at sarcasm.
  34. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 15 July 2015 12: 51
    0
    With the enemy newspaper, everything has been clear for a long time. But to figure out the unit who was campaigning, incited to leave, who allowed it, why they did not take action, this should be done in the first place. This is how enemy agents propagandize combat units with the connivance or support of the unit command .Now I hope the people understand why J.V. Stalin in the thirties imprisoned and shot the agents of Germany and the Anglo-Saxons in the army and navy. If he had not done this, then what would have happened at the beginning of the war. And then he did not destroy everyone, such scum as Vlasov and others like him stayed. So now. The country is on the verge of war, and in parts of complacency, some "soldiers' mothers" are driving, corrupting discipline, the enemy agents in the face of the media do whatever they want, the budget for army and navy, equipment falls - "the birds are to blame", the barracks are crumbling - this is a breeze, in short, a mess in the country, and there is no responsibility, as under Stalin. And where can she be, when the guarantor must defend the Constitution, the people and the country all this looks with closed eyes and pulls the mantra- "we do not 37 .... ".
    1. denis02135
      denis02135 15 July 2015 14: 02
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      Dear Tambov Wolf

      Do you think Rokosovsky and Meretskov (enemies or not) were also sitting, the USSR hero Rychagov was shot in October 41 (in the worst month for Moscow), was he rehabilitated at 54, he is also a traitor? You should be careful with shots, otherwise you can get to places that are not so distant, but be rehabilitated in 10-15 years. Or do you want to serve in a raster team all your life? (do not accept for insult).
  35. Ttht
    Ttht 15 July 2015 12: 56
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    I haven’t read anything like this for a long time, honestly I’m sorry for the time ... but for those who scribble it a lot and they are paid for it, that’s all ...
  36. Uncle Joe
    Uncle Joe 15 July 2015 13: 02
    0
    And here we obviously have an attempt to “otmazat” the soldiers, who were afraid of the blessing of which, who had joined the ranks of deserters, were afraid. And nothing more.
    And here we obviously have an attempt to "cover up" the scared soldiers who have unanimously passed into the category of deserters. And nothing more.

    Frightened by anything, but to such an extent that they chose to go under the article ... Sharikov and Preobrazhensky are resting.
  37. srha
    srha 15 July 2015 14: 11
    +2
    I have not read Gazeta.ru for several years. Also, for example, as Kurginyan, academician Petrik and many others like that. There is no way to effectively combat them, and at least acidity is normal ...
  38. xoma58
    xoma58 15 July 2015 16: 43
    +3
    I don't know if they are sending ours there or not. Most likely they are being sent, otherwise there would have been no Donbas long ago. And what does it mean to send, it must be figured out. Surely not conscripts at all, but contractors, and not forcibly, but offered, if you want, you can go. I do not think that someone is being forced, most likely there are more applicants than vacancies. We must take into account the mentality of our people - a heightened sense of justice and a desire to help. And if you add "combat" to this, then it's generally okay. Yes, even if we assume that they are strongly offered, and when you guys went to serve on a contract, you thought that the army is like in civilian life, but they pay well? Did you take the oath? And this is a direct threat to the security of our state. So he is a deserter. And this newspaper is probably read only by certain circles, I do not read.
  39. BABAY22
    BABAY22 15 July 2015 17: 53
    +3
    I agree with the previous speakers. Someone said that the homeland feeds, drinks, shoes, honors its military not for the fact that they go to work every day, but for the fact that when the motherland is needed, these same military men gave their lives without thinking.
    And it turns out, I want to serve near my mother’s house, give me more money for this. But how to fight - so it’s not for me, and go to the bushes.
    These are not military men, they must be immediately screened out for conscription and for alternative service - to wash pots in hospitals. The same thing is necessary, by the way.
  40. wandlitz
    wandlitz 15 July 2015 19: 41
    +1
    Some people appeared without insignia, but with epaulets no lower than the major ....
    So shoulder straps are also insignia ...
  41. Old26
    Old26 16 July 2015 07: 50
    +1
    Quote: Corsair
    In our case, the guys help the locals and this is called volunteer help.

    Maybe this is called so, but from a legal point of view ... In some ways Trailer and right. Speaking of the legal component.
    Let me give you a simple example. In our city there is a part of the SPN. A couple of years ago, two fighters decided to help the "Syrian brothers" in their struggle. On their vacation, they went there to fight.
    Say what happened after arrival? Not only did the commanders get from top to bottom on the head, right up to removal from the post, but the boys themselves fell under the article of mercenary. The truth then came under an amnesty.
    So as it should, it is interpreted.
    1. ibnvladimir
      ibnvladimir 17 July 2015 14: 42
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      From a legal point of view, it is a matter of reward. From the political - depending on the situation. And a dozen people do not do weather.
  42. CRASH
    CRASH 16 July 2015 10: 22
    -4
    Well, let's just say, from our brigade, 6 people went "on vacation" to "nezalezhnaya", I barely dissuaded my close friend from this adventure, from other brigades of 2-4 people went on vacation, uncles in civilian clothes made a generous offer, which is difficult for some to refuse.
    1. AndreyS
      AndreyS 16 July 2015 13: 56
      +1
      Quote: CRASH.
      Well, let's just say, from our brigade, 6 people went "on vacation" to "nezalezhnaya", I barely dissuaded my close friend from this adventure, from other brigades of 2-4 people went on vacation, uncles in civilian clothes made a generous offer, which is difficult for some to refuse.

      This is where such a team ?! If your site defines the site as an EU ?!
      1. sir
        sir 17 July 2015 08: 50
        +1
        no one denies that our military is there. but all officials emphasize that these are volunteers. laughing
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      2. CRASH
        CRASH 17 August 2015 20: 04
        +1
        Let's just say, on this site, it is better and safer to sit through anonymizers or the TOP browser. So I told you where this team is laughing Part number not to give? In the Caucasus, look for yourself further.
  43. Leader
    Leader 16 July 2015 10: 51
    -1
    Quote: jjj
    Quote: Leader
    They row everyone - miserable, dead, abnormal ...

    And you try to conclude a contract with MO. You will be surprised

    Try it yourself. I’ve been there for 30 years. Before my eyes, everything is degrading, simplifying and lightening ...
  44. galact
    galact 16 July 2015 12: 13
    +1
    The word is great power. And they say the word is not a sparrow, fly out, do not catch. Strong people decide everything themselves - they create their own destiny and, taking up tug, do not say that tuz. I remember In a fire, the President asked the fire victim: help is needed? And he heard the answer: No, we can handle it ourselves. Weak - a lot of screeching, and zilch wool. They are all to blame, they whine like jackals.
  45. Villiam wolf
    Villiam wolf 16 July 2015 15: 30
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    Nonsense, not an article!
  46. Ivan58
    Ivan58 16 July 2015 18: 00
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    I believe that it is time to DEMAND from the leadership of the country a harsh regime, the most severe, in respect of the sub-sector. Putin, are you listening to me?
  47. sir
    sir 17 July 2015 08: 15
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    and the funny thing is that there really are some volunteers from Russia too. Nobody drove out forcibly. So these goats from razvetbat to Magadan. Gold is mined. Intelligence pancake am
  48. just a native
    just a native 17 July 2015 11: 24
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    The deserter must sit in the penal battalion only if there is no more corpus delicti! And the mother who brought up such a spineless bayustro must also be condemned! So that the rest was not disastrous !!! And in the end, a man should be a man and not a pervert! For perverts there is a gamer and a geyropa! Send without the right to return! And by the way, the path to hell is lined with good deeds! You need to be honest and fair, but not good! And in pursuit, if the Lord God was kind, we would still live in paradise, or as it would be called after human perversions !!!
  49. VoenDok
    VoenDok 17 July 2015 14: 01
    +1
    Our yellow (not to mention the yellow and blue!) Press regularly does their dirty work. Recently I talked with a conscript from Siberia, who said that in their unit "there are rumors that they will soon be sent to Lugansk." He laughed. I quoted to the boy some passages from the domestic military doctrine concerning the use of the armed forces abroad.
    A week later, I learned that the acquaintance’s son, valiantly serving in the conscription service in the art brigade in the Republic of Dagestan, is experiencing the same fears.
    In general, fear has big eyes! And if you also read "Novaya Gazeta" - in a couple of weeks you yourself will go to join the "Right Sector")))
  50. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 17 July 2015 15: 24
    +1
    Quote: wk
    .. to the article about people like the Transfiguration Lord Christ said the essence of their wolves, even though they were covered with sheep's skins (not literally, but close to the text) read the Gospel ...

    "... horses, people mixed together ..." You obviously lack a philosophical component in order to determine the cause-and-effect relationships of phenomena and actions. And as for the Bible and the Gospels in particular, the references should be given more specific, with options for interpreting people versed in Theosophy, because otherwise there is nothing to talk about due to the lack of specifics in your statements, so, foam request .
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 18 July 2015 00: 59
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      Christ said about wolves in sheep's clothing, referring to religious leaders who seem to say everything correctly, but in fact corrupt people, direct them to the path of sin. And there are still many of them - sects, "churches", "spiritual teachers". The same Turchinov is a vivid example. Or this Ukrainian "patriarch". Naturally sheep in sheep's clothing. As soon as they decided that the moment had come, they threw off their skins and clack their teeth. They would have knocked them out faster! Sheepdogs are required! Protectors from wolves.