Three Su-30CM relocated to Sakhalin

Aviation the Russian Air Force on Sakhalin is reinforced by Su-30SM multi-role fighters. This was reported by Colonel Alexander Gordeev, head of the press service of the VVO (Eastern Military District). At the same time, Colonel Gordeev explained to the media the reasons why Su-30SM planes are sent to Sakhalin. Alexandra Gordeeva quotes RIA News:

The main purpose of redeployment of fighters is to improve the flight training of fighter aircraft crews for flights in the island zone.

We are talking about three Su-30SM multi-role fighters who flew from the Dzyomgi military airfield (Komsomolsk-on-Amur, Khabarovsk krai) to the Sokol military airfield (Sakhalin region).

Su-30CM - a modernized multi-purpose fighter, the first flight of which took place in the 2012 year.

The main characteristics of the aircraft:

crew - 2 person;
length - 21,9 m;
height - 6,36 m;
maximum take-off weight - 34,5 t;
Max. speed - 2125 km / h;
combat range - 1500 km;
takeoff run - about 550 m;
combat load - 8 t.

Comments

[NEXUS]

There would be more of these cars and not only on Sakhalin.

[Army1]

Even clubs and bastions, they can work on the ground freely. In fact, it’s Iskander-k, and in a compartment with all the sweets, Yapam should not think about the Kuril Islands, but like hokkaido not about @@

[Army1]

Iskander - this is generally his element. And do not forget the modern quasi-ballistic trajectory of the Iskander m is unique. In fact, it reaches hypersound and actively maneuvers with electronic warfare. Yes, and I take into account the high accuracy, the mass of the warhead can be reduced, respectively, the range is more than 500. Therefore, someone has a tearing bullet behind a puddle

[APASUS]

Quote: Army1

Yapam should not think about the Kuril Islands, but like hokkaido not about @@

What did you stick with the Yap? They now have a lot of money to invest indefinitely. They have worked in Fukushima for a couple of centuries.

[Army1]

Quote: APASUS

Quote: Army1

Yapam should not think about the Kuril Islands, but like hokkaido not about @@

What did you stick with the Yap? They now have a lot of money to invest indefinitely. They have worked in Fukushima for a couple of centuries.

I did not pester them. But at least it’s worth a little to lose vigilance, believe the adversaries are waiting.

[Victor1]

if we take into account Fukushima, the trouble is that with Fukushima they are “all right”, because they are “courageously” experiencing this problem.
4 years have passed, and emissions have not yet been stopped, the true extent of the problem is being hushed up, the progress is quiet, and there are a lot of problems with this fukushima.

And as for the Kuril Islands, it is correctly said, let them forget about them once and for all, their hysteria about this is already annoying ..

[Nzn]

Well, why do not they hysteria. From their Fukushima, Godzilla will soon climb, so they are looking for a somewhere beech :(

[Uncle lee]

Quote: APASUS

They have been working in Fukushima for a couple of centuries

Fokushima, this is one thing, but they don’t forget about the South Kuril Islands! There, they called Putin to Japan to solve the problems of the northern territories.
So, Three Dryers is not enough. And it’s good that the airfield was restored in Sokol. In the USSR, there was specific air defense, the flyer Boeing failed with him.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: NEXUS

There would be more of these cars and not only on Sakhalin.

No, it’s better to build a bigger Su-35 with him a very powerful H035 Irbis radar, and the Su-30SM has a weak H011 Bars radar.
H011 Bars:
Target detection range (not less):
“Mig-29 type fighter” (3 m EPR): 120-140 km (in the zone of 300 sq. Degrees from the opposite angles, to the catch-up 60 km)
Railway Bridge: 80-120 km
"Group of tanks": 40-50 km
Destroyer: 80-120 km
N035 Irbis:
Target Detection Range:
with an EPR of 3 m² on opposite angles of 350-400 km, on the catch up to 150 km (in the area of ​​100 sq. degrees and a flight altitude of more than 10 km)
with EPR 0,01 m² up to 90 km
Viewing angles in azimuth and elevation ± 60 ° (electronic), ± 125 ° (with hydraulic actuator)
Roll 90 °

[NEXUS]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

No better to build more Su-35

And who is against it? Only for. And PAK FA would quickly start to be mass-produced. Then it’s possible to take PAK YA into a tight and LFI (very necessary) 5th generation ...

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: NEXUS

Only for. And PAK FA would quickly begin to be mass-produced. Then it’s possible to take PAK YA into a tight and LFI (really needed) 5 generation ...

That is why the Russian Air Force is buying a Su-30SM which is obviously outdated in parallel with the Su-35? As I understand it, Irbis will not fit in the Su-30 due to its large size, so later modernization will not work. Now we need modern fighters for the troops, serial Pakfs and even in large numbers it is still a dream, and the Su-35С already have 34 aircraft in service, and we need to increase their production in anticipation of the PAKFA. In the short term, the Russian Air Force needs hundreds of the most modern fighters, and PAKFA, even if they are adopted, is unlikely to be able to quickly build them in the right amount.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

That is why the Russian Air Force is buying a Su-30SM which is obviously outdated in parallel with the Su-35?

And flyers under the SU-35, where do we get now in such quantities now? In the SU-35, the cabin is like a PAK FA, and that's exactly what it was designed for, so that later we can immediately transfer pilots to the T-50 without retraining. -30 everything is slightly different, so it’s easier to equip an army with them.
It is clear that one wants to have the PAK FA squadron so far, but flyers must be prepared for them, which is not a quick matter, unfortunately.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: NEXUS

And flyers under the SU-35, where can we get it in such quantities now?

So, in theory, the cabin should be even easier to handle than the previous model, therefore, retraining should be simple. Development follows the path of greater and greater automation.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

So, in theory, the cabin should be even easier to handle than the previous model, therefore, retraining should be simple. Development follows the path of greater and greater automation.

I think moving from, say, SU-30 to SU-35 or PAK FA is not as easy as we would like. Other avionics, cars of completely different levels.
But what is bad, by and large, SU-30 then?
Look, the Indians on these machines are systematically bending over NATO pilots during exercises.

[Falcon]

Quote: NEXUS

But what is bad, by and large, SU-30 then?
Look, the Indians on these machines are systematically bending over NATO pilots during exercises.

Not bad of course, but Su-35 is better.
It's about money and maybe even at P-800. Since the Su-30 is located near the seas, the equipment for using BrahMos at the Su-30mki is ready. According to the proven scheme, it is also suitable for Su-30 with P-800.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Falcon

Since the Su-30 is located near the seas, and the equipment for using BrahMos on the Su-30mki is ready. According to the proven scheme, it is also suitable for the Su-30 with the P-800.

Su-35C seems to be also capable of using P-800 missiles.

[Falcon]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Su-35C seems to be also capable of using P-800 missiles.

When Su-30MKI adapted to BrahMos - it took some time. With Su-35, I think the situation is similar. He is certainly capable, but for this you still need equipment time and money.

I think the main thing is the cost. Su-Xnumx should be cheaper. And we have half of the equipment that is listed in the unit as a combat unit, in fact, disassembled and will never be able to take off. Therefore, you need quantity, and as quickly as possible.

In our case, 3 Su-30 is better than 2 Su-35.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Falcon

and the equipment for using BrahMos on the Su-30mki is ready.

It was infa that we have a rocket that was also created on the basis of ONYX (YAHONTA if in the import version), so to speak, it was adapted and, according to performance characteristics, it is better than BrahMos.
In addition, there is already BraMos-M (MINI), the dimensions of which allow it to put fighters.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: NEXUS

I think moving from, say, SU-30 to SU-35 or PAK FA is not as easy as we would like. Other avionics, cars of completely different levels.

In any case, there should be simulators.

Quote: NEXUS

But what is bad, by and large, SU-30 then?

That is, there is a better machine that already stands on the conveyor. Why buy a Su-30 if there is a better alternative in the form of a Su-35S? As I said on the Su-30, the old radar is being installed, I suspect that the jamming system is also old, most importantly in 4th generation aircraft, a powerful radar + a powerful electronic warfare station.
I don’t know who the Hindus are bending down, I suspect that India used both EW and AWACS planes when bending, but often countries that buy fighters from Russia don’t have money to buy AWACS and EW planes, they need a fighter that could operate autonomously and efficiently. Indonesian Su-30s also participated in exercises with the United States, and there it all ended on the contrary with a US victory.
As for Russia, we have only 2 !!! A-50U aircraft (the rest are not modernized with technologies of 30-40 years ago), as for jamming, the Khibiny U complex (hanging containers of a reb), not every squadron of the Russian Air Force is equipped. And what is needed is a collective electronic warfare system to jam Avax and Hokai. An individual fighter's rebuilding system can only cope with the power of the enemy aircraft radar.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

In any case, there should be simulators.

They are. But bringing up a "flyer" is not a quick thing, unfortunately.

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Why buy a Su-30 if there is a better alternative in the form of a Su-35?

I told you - it’s clear that the SU-35С is better, but it is more expensive. And now we have a small world scuffle brewing and we would be better off more than less. Because the 5 generation is not in such quantities yet neither among us, nor among Amers , and this means that in the case of a large hedgehog (if we do not break up the planet of nuclear weapons) we will fight on generation 4 machines, which are many times more. And SU-30 looks very worthy among its competitors.

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

I don’t know who the Hindus are bending down, I suspect that India used both EW and AWACS planes when bending,

No, everything was honest and decent.

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

The Indonesian Su-30 also participated in exercises with the United States, and there it all ended on the contrary with the victory of the United States.

Consider the level of training of flyers.

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

As for Russia, we only have 2 !!! A-50U

Well, we will really hope and believe that they will do for our Air Force at least a dozen A-100. And even the Allies are somehow ashamed.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: NEXUS

.A SU-30 among its competitors looks very worthy.

As I have already said, the Su-30SM is inferior to its Western counterparts in the detection range of the radar. What is the problem of installing a ZhUK-AE radar on the Su-30SM, it should ideally fit in size (H035 Irbis and H036 Belka are unlikely to work, just look at the nose of the Su-35C and Pakf).

Quote: NEXUS

Well, we will really hope and believe that they will do for our Air Force at least a dozen A-100. And even the Allies are somehow ashamed.

Well, Russia has ground-based radar stations that are capable of targeting fighters, compensating for the weak airborne radar Su-30СМ.

Quote: NEXUS

They are. But bringing up a "flyer" is not a quick thing, unfortunately.

In this case, it is most likely about re-education, that is, about retraining an already experienced pilot on a new plane.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Well, Russia has ground-based radar stations that are capable of targeting fighters, compensating for the weak airborne radar Su-30СМ.

And we need A-100 before the cut. Yesterday, before breakfast!

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

In this case, it’s most likely about re-education,

Again, this is not a quick matter. Yes, and young people also need to be trained.

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

As I have already said, the Su-30СМ is inferior to its Western counterparts in the detection range of the radar.

I think this problem will be solved. The more important question now is the price. So as not to spray funds, but to do everything in a balanced manner, while not buying the T-50.

[Falcon]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

That is why the Russian Air Force is buying a Su-30SM which is obviously outdated in parallel with the Su-35? As I understand it, Irbis will not fit in the Su-30 due to its large size, so later modernization will not work. Now we need modern fighters for the troops, serial Pakfs and even in large numbers it is still a dream, and the Su-35С already have 34 aircraft in service, and we need to increase their production in anticipation of the PAKFA. In the short term, the Russian Air Force needs hundreds of the most modern fighters, and PAKFA, even if they are adopted, is unlikely to be able to quickly build them in the right amount.

You can still add Su-34. It can also be replaced by Su-35.

I think it's about the money. Just Su-35 is more expensive than Su-30, and we need quantity, because the park is very old

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Falcon

You can still add Su-34. It can also be replaced by Su-35.

Su-34 is more suitable for long flights, in the cabin you can stand upright, there is a toilet, and a mini-kitchen where you can warm up food. Recently, Su-34 practiced escorting strategic bombers over the North Pole, while in the air for more than 6 hours (with refueling). In the cockpit of the Su-35C, everything would have gone numb.

[Falcon]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Su-34 is more suitable for long flights, in the cabin you can stand upright, there is a toilet, and a mini-kitchen where you can warm up food. Recently, Su-34 practiced escorting strategic bombers over the North Pole, while in the air for more than 6 hours (with refueling). In the cockpit of the Su-35C, everything would have gone numb.

I agree that the cabin is definitely better.
The purpose of this escort was to cover the bombers from enemy fighters, as far as I understand. And as a Su-34 fighter is not particularly suitable. Heavy, armored cockpit and flight restrictions. There is also a question of expediency.

[NordUral]

And not only these.

[uge.garik]

... to the islands, closer to the samurai you need to base .., and runway - at least three km and a concrete building with hangars ...

[Frigate]

The Japanese are gloomy, drink sake.

[Army1]

This is the bastion. Works great on the ground

[Hubun]

friends on the islands a subtle hint

[Jack-b]

It is not directed against them. After all, everyone understands.

[Frigate]

Quote: Jack-B

It is not directed against them. After all, everyone understands.

Of course, this is to repel a likely attack by the ISIS gang. So the Japanese have nothing to fear.

[jovanni]

As our sworn partners love to say, nothing personal ...

[Pissarro]

no, ISIS is on land, at sea it is from Somali pirates

[kil 31]

Quote: Hubun

friends on the islands a subtle hint

Hint that yards of dollars should be invested not in fascist Ukraine, but in your border guards.

[Sealek]

A strange number of boards - for the "duty link" you need 4.

[parafoiler]

A couple is on duty, and a third is on standby. Something like this...

[Islander]

That's right!
Every Japanese should know their place, otherwise give them the South Kuril Islands))

[Mama_Cholli]

Tipper 8 - Toners arrived. In which case Hokkaido will fall asleep ...

[Abbra]

Japanese leader clever on G7. And this is after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Think with whom to be friends ...

[figter]

The national debt of Japan is $ 11 958 955 386 992, with GDP of $ 2 185 818 152 396. The national debt per capita is $ 94 652 (with GDP per capita $ 17 300). Therefore, he jumps in front of Obama, because in his situation you will not jump like that - the country was bought by the United States with giblets without hope of an immediate release from bondage.

[Spas the Great]

In anticipation of the visit of Vladimir Vladimirovich on the issue of discussing the ownership of the Kuril Islands, which our island partners are waiting for!

[Funnels]

Finally, we flew to Sakhalin. There is still a Petrel (Iturup) there, there are also such "Birds" asking.

[starshina pv]

"will not be enough" !!!!

[gladysheff2010]

The "unsinkable aircraft carrier" Okinawa is next door, and the Yankees are agitated, the South Koreans are being pushed into an armed confrontation with the DPRK. Our aces moved closer so that life would not seem like honey to some.

[Yarik]

Hubun SU Today, 17:35 New
friends on the islands a subtle hint


Is the USA an island? Well let there be an island.

[Alexey RA]

Steel birds
Went down to Sakhalin
Smoked not to return

[Lenivets]

Japanese "tanks"?

[ssn18]

Quote: Alexey RA

Smoked not to return

Well, the supreme said ...

[Barakuda]

Even the Buk works by sea, who don't know ..

[Lenivets]

In the course, but working on the sea or land with water complexes is the same as nailing up nails with a microscope.
(you can use, but only from complete hopelessness)

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Lenivets

In the course, but working on the sea or land with water complexes is the same as nailing up nails with a microscope. hi
(you can use, but only from complete hopelessness)

On the ground, yes. But the work on the ships in the coastal defense for the air defense forces was prescribed as a regular task. At least in 1994.

[Lenivets]

"On the ground - yes. But work on ships in coastal defense for the air defense forces was spelled out as a regular task."

I'll try again: it is registered on the ground as a standard one, but: “working on the sea or land with air defense systems is the same as driving nails with a microscope.
(you can use it, but only from complete hopelessness) "

What tonnage will you be able to flood a ship with an air defense missile that fires at a distance from the target and hits it with splinters that hit it from above and default an order of magnitude smaller explosive than anti-ship missiles?
Let me help you answer - boat.

[ssn18]

Good of course, but it will not be enough! Not enough!

[Zionist33]

Quote: Army1

Iskander - this is generally his element. And do not forget the modern quasi-ballistic trajectory of the Iskander m is unique. In fact, it reaches hypersound and actively maneuvers with electronic warfare. Yes, and I take into account the high accuracy, the mass of the warhead can be reduced, respectively, the range is more than 500. Therefore, someone has a tearing bullet behind a puddle

we don’t give anyone Sakhalin to either the Japanese or the Koreans or the Vietnamese

[twincam]

Quote: Army1

Even clubs and bastions, they can work on the ground freely. In fact, it’s Iskander-k, and in a compartment with all the sweets, Yapam should not think about the Kuril Islands, but like hokkaido not about @@

Well, with such success mattresses can overcome Okinawa)))

[Knight Rider]

Great! From "Falcon" to Yuzh.Kuril only about 500 km, patrolling the islands from there is nothing. I think that fighters from the Central Command and Dzemog, replacing each other, will be on duty on the Falcon on a permanent basis, and in the future a base squadron or regiment will be formed there. Hopefully.

[Zionist33]

Quote: NordUral

And not only these.

[chingis1981]

3 not 30 and not 300!

[Zionist33]

Quote: NEXUS

There would be more of these cars and not only on Sakhalin.

Quote: NEXUS

There would be more of these cars and not only on Sakhalin.

[Zionist33]

Quote: APASUS

this is what we will do with japan and this is just the beginning

[Mih]

we don’t give anyone Sakhalin to either the Japanese or the Koreans or the Vietnamese

this is what we will do with japan and this is just the beginning of the clown. Well, something like that, an Israeli.
"PIVET WITH THE CRIMEA" (this is from the cartoon)

[Alfons xv]

Putin's falcons come to replace the Stalinist falcons. Well done. Our planes are fast and their weapons are super powerful. Well, samurai, show you where the crayfish hibernate.

[Pissarro]

but at the same time the fighter is a defensive weapon. In that case, if the samurai decide to try. And so we are peaceful people