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Not true of war


For many years now, every spring, the same sad picture has been observed on Russian open spaces. In preparation for the celebration of Victory Day, heterosexual blondes from public relations departments of administrations of any level generously decorate the streets with photographic posters with German tanks and airplanes. At the same time, the same individuals from mass disinformation urgently download from the Internet the “terrible truth” about the war, which “vigilant communist censorship" hid from the people.

And now, on the eve of 9 in May, a billboard appeared on the streets of Ivanteevka near Moscow with three brave pilots of “Junkers” and the words “They fought for their Motherland!”, And Komsomolskaya Pravda told how the Soviet command, desperate to stop the enemy rushing to the capital tanks, paratroopers dropped them without parachutes. They say that the P-5 aircraft carried fighters with anti-tank guns in the outboard containers of inventor Pavel Grokhovsky, diving, shaking them into snowdrifts, and the landing force famously burned German armored equipment that was completely embarrassed by Russian insanity.

I already lost count, collecting different versions of this nonsense. In science fiction writer Yuri Sergeyev in the novel “The Prince's Island”, Marshal Zhukov personally directs the TB-3 heavy bombers to send a parachute assault force that destroys the German tank column behind Mozhaisk, but almost all the paratroopers are either killed or crippled. The underequired pilot, and now Archpriest Alexander Togotin insists that the fighters jumped from the American "Douglas" and not one was left alive. Where the drifts came from in October 1941, when, capturing Mozhaisk, the Germans came to Moscow, they didn’t explain the science fiction writer with the archpriest, and therefore in the program Andrei Karaulov, known for impeccable truthfulness, the operation was transferred to the Soviet-Finnish war, and the paratrooper died, crammed on the peaks of the tree

There is also the lieutenant of the parachute units of the Wehrmacht, Alkmar Gove, from whom this duck flew into the light, stating that during the Vyazma landing operation, Soviet aircraft flew over the snow-covered fields during the Vyazemsky landing operation and dropped infantrymen with weapons without parachutes right in deep snow ". Gove is more convincing than Russian borzopistsev: he has a case in winter 1942 of the year, when snow was in bulk, but Ivan Starchak, who fought near Mozhaisk and under Vyazma, head of the paratrooper service of the Western Front, refuted his stories. Ivan Georgievich describes in detail the experiments on jumping from low altitudes, but the “Russian way” invented by Gove suggested that the author should try it himself - for some reason he did not.

But what about Grokhovsky's containers? At the end of 1931, Grokhovsky and his assistant, Ivan Titov, tested their “airbus” - a streamlined closed trolley dropped from a low-flying reconnaissance aircraft P-5 (confusing Russian and Latin font by Komsomolskaya Pravda) renamed it to П-5). The “Airbus” rolled around the airfield, and the inventors who were surrounded by fur coats even survived, but the heavier devices dropped from high altitudes and not on a smooth runway were rigorously broken. The experiment failed, so later only unbreakable loads were dropped without parachutes. As for the fighting for Mozhaisk, the paratroopers did not land there at all, but fought like ordinary infantry. What Starchak himself writes in detail, and also testifies to Georgi Konstantinovich Zhukov, who then commanded the Western Front.

"IG Starchak's detachment after the explosion of the bridge took up defense along the Ugra River. Soon it was supported by a detachment of cadets from Podolsk military schools under the command of Senior Lieutenant LA Mamchik and captain Y.S. Rossikov. Attempts by enemy troops to force the Ugra river and break through Medyn successfully reflected the heroic actions of these units.As a result of the five-day fierce fighting, few survived, but with their heroic self-sacrifice they thwarted the plan to quickly capture Maloyaroslavets and helped our troops to win e time to organize the defense of the approaches to Moscow. "

Later, during the battles of Vyazma, Starchak froze his legs, but, despite partial amputation of his feet, he continued to be thrown into the enemy's rear (he completed 1096 jumps in his life), ended the war in Berlin, and then participated in operations against Bandera. His life and exploits are ready-made material for novels, and for exciting movie fighters, but urgently repainted into patriots and tabloid reporters, to all appearances, it is more interesting to jump on the rake of a long time refuted lies ...
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  1. Baikonur
    Baikonur 19 May 2015 18: 56
    +18
    In preparation for the celebration of Victory Day, heterosexual blondes from public relations departments of administrations of any level generously decorate the streets with photographic posters with German tanks and planes.

    They must be driven away by filthy brooms !!!
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 19 May 2015 19: 09
      +5
      Quote: Baikonur
      They must be driven away by filthy brooms !!!

      whom?
    2. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 19 May 2015 19: 22
      +26
      And then they also PROVE us (think who they are these people), what:
      - math,
      - physics
      - chemistry
      - a story
      - biology,
      - geography,
      - astronomy,
      - drawing
      - Painting,
      - literature - DO NOT LEARN, because in life it will not come in handy.
      And here is what one famous figure wrote about this:
      Hitler in 1942 formulated the foundations of an occupation policy in the conquered eastern territory. In his brief directive, he wrote only three sentences:
      - It is necessary to reduce the Slavs to GESTURE LANGUAGE.
      - No hygiene, no vaccinations.
      "Only vodka and tobacco."
      The entire social program for the peoples in the conquered territories: no schools, no teachers, no cinema - only vodka and tobacco!
      (http://www.edka.ru/food/dla-clavan-tolko-vodka-i-tabak).

      PS
      Well, about the poster, everything is correctly written on it, only the country that should be considered the homeland is not indicated.
      Do not consider it propaganda of fascism.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 19 May 2015 19: 31
        +4
        Quote: prosto_rgb
        And then they also tell us that:

        Yes, on the same site as one person argued that all this bullshit philosophy, cancel and leave only specialized subjects
        1. eplewke
          eplewke 20 May 2015 00: 15
          0
          The author began alone, preparing the reader for a specific material (photo confirmation of this), and ended up completely different. Generally confusion.
      2. TVM - 75
        TVM - 75 19 May 2015 20: 44
        +2
        The list of school subjects does not affect the results of the "labor" of blondes. They have universities behind them, but they forgot to attach their heads.
        1. DRA-88
          DRA-88 19 May 2015 22: 35
          +6
          Quote: TVM - 75
          The list of school subjects does not affect the results of the "labor" of blondes. They have universities behind them, but they forgot to attach their heads.

          The announcers of the central channels are especially enraged by their illiteracy and ignorance. Surprising for what "merits" they are enrolled in the staff ?!
          1. 97110
            97110 20 May 2015 11: 59
            0
            Quote: DRA-88
            Wondering what "merits" they get on the staff?

            For external data and the ability to chant the text read on the monitor. They are not obliged to understand it. And the less they understand, the higher the chances of a career. The ability to handle numbers is also optional. Confused in the numerals, it is easier to pay a salary.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 20 May 2015 12: 11
            0
            and before the announcers were Honored Artists
      3. DRA-88
        DRA-88 19 May 2015 22: 32
        +5
        Quote: prosto_rgb
        The entire social program for the peoples in the conquered territories: no schools, no teachers, no cinema - only vodka and tobacco!

        This, in fact, our helmsmen have achieved in 25 years ...
      4. BMP-2
        BMP-2 20 May 2015 01: 06
        +3
        A bit of parallel reality:
        "Poroshenko was dissatisfied with the work of the Minister of Information Policy, and called on Minister Yu. Stets to increase the productivity of work by about 3,14 times." The ministry will now be called in a new way: "3,14 Stets"
    3. bubla5
      bubla5 19 May 2015 19: 30
      +3
      Yes there are no such need to be reset as they write in their capsules on a shaving flight without parachutes
    4. Ivan_ich
      Ivan_ich 19 May 2015 19: 57
      +5
      It has been known since the 30th year that Uncle Vasya’s troops are thrown behind enemy lines during offensive operations. Why reset them to their own positions during the defense .. wassat ?
      1. 97110
        97110 20 May 2015 12: 11
        0
        Quote: Ivan_ich
        Why drop them to their own positions during the defense ..?

        This is not about the thirties, but specifically about the autumn of 1941 it was written. What did Tukhachevsky say about the use of divisions of the national militia in the 30s? Marines? Or throw to the front lines of undereducated cadets (did you read the article completely?) - from theories of the 30s? The Germans were stopped at ANY PRICE. The French in WWI also drove a taxi to the front. Condemn? Our people do not go to the front by taxi.
    5. lev1201
      lev1201 19 May 2015 20: 22
      -4
      Better yet, put in jail. Like Israel adored by all of them.
    6. goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 19 May 2015 20: 47
      0
      Together with the administration ... Better yet, a complete audit of the "activity" - and according to its results, a company of machine gunners and a brigade of grave diggers! Hello general, Vyshny Volochek Tver province.
  2. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 19 May 2015 19: 00
    +22
    Well, the alternative story genre lives and thrives!
    However, the misfortunes of works of this genre are beginning to pass off as truth.
    Several got the works, both in books and on the TV screen about the struggle of the Red Army against
    flying saucers of the Third Reich, or about how the valiant NKVD prevents the Soviet troops from fighting
    with the Nazis. And the younger generation perceives this as the truth ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 19 May 2015 19: 27
      +1
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      Well, the alternative story genre lives and thrives!

      this genre has nothing to do with ignorance of the topic being described in literature or cinematography.
      employees of the working people in 41 or AN-2 are already tired of the Luftwaffe and there are more and more such mistakes
      1. _Brown_
        _Brown_ 19 May 2015 23: 54
        -2
        Well, in 1941 they served the working people, and in the Soviet Union with 1943. Or I'm wrong?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 20 May 2015 06: 45
          0
          Well, open charter 38, shoulder straps were introduced at 43
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 20 May 2015 08: 22
            0
            forgot, at 37, I apologize
            The Charter of the Internal Service of the Red Army 1937 Order No. 260 of December 21, 1937
    2. forester
      forester 19 May 2015 19: 30
      +3
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      Well, the alternative story genre lives and thrives!
      However, the misfortunes of works of this genre are beginning to pass off as truth.
      Several got the works, both in books and on the TV screen about the struggle of the Red Army against
      flying saucers of the Third Reich, or about how the valiant NKVD prevents the Soviet troops from fighting
      with the Nazis. And the younger generation perceives this as the truth ...

      You are right, but not everything is so scary I recently heard a conversation between two young guys at work and was pleasantly surprised by the words of one of them - "Soviet films about the war are somehow more interesting and better than modern ones" - I told them why - after that one took a read from me the story of Mansur Abdulin "160 pages from a soldier's diary"
    3. Sergey Vl.
      Sergey Vl. 20 May 2015 00: 36
      0
      An alternative story is normally perceived when you simply know the story.
      "Love the book - the source of knowledge"
  3. bocsman
    bocsman 19 May 2015 19: 04
    +11
    Yes, unicellular dubai does not impoverish the Russian land. The lack of curiosity and the desire to learn something leads to such mistakes. And films about the war of recent years. Such profanity can only be ordered, rented and launched by enemies!
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 19 May 2015 19: 50
      +13
      Quote: bocsman
      Yes, unicellular dubai does not impoverish the Russian land.

      Before May 9, I told a young lawyer working in our organization about his relative, who was called up only in 1945, but who managed to fight against both Germany and Japan and was awarded two medals "For Victory over Germany" and "For Victory over Japan ", and so on one medal Stalin in profile is turned to the west, on the second - to the east. At the end of my story, a young lawyer with a university degree asked me:
      -And have we fought with the Japanese too?
      I expressed to him a couple of affectionate ones, and now, when the opportunity arises, I grab hold of my sleeve so that I don’t run away and talk about the war with Japan, shy away, but nothing, I’ll make a man out of him.
      1. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 20 May 2015 00: 14
        +1
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        but nothing, I’ll make a man out of him.

        Of course you will !!!
        Keep it up! soldier
    2. DRA-88
      DRA-88 19 May 2015 22: 39
      +3
      Quote: bocsman
      Lack of curiosity

      curiosity is when someone is peeking into a keyhole, but what you meant is called “curiosity” hi
      And for the very message of the comment "+"
  4. sent-onere
    sent-onere 19 May 2015 19: 04
    +7
    The slanderers of Russia are insolent from impunity. The battle is uneven, as, apparently, they are financed by the West. The time of reckoning will come, but now we must not keep silent and promote their lies in every possible way.
  5. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 19 May 2015 19: 14
    +17
    And what is surprising here .. On May 9, I was hoping to see films about the Second World War, new, well, old classics .. There was nothing to watch! Well, old films ... And such that young people were not interested in modern ones! 54 channels clicked there was nothing .. And remember the film in the USSR was filmed "Liberation" and it was not even shown .. It feels like everyone is doing it on our TV! For the youth to forget everything .. It was such a feeling during the holidays! But the march of the "Immortal Regiment" all over Russia nevertheless reassured me, as the saying goes, "You're lying, you won't take .." hi
    1. DRA-88
      DRA-88 19 May 2015 23: 05
      +1
      Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
      There was nothing to watch! Well, old films ... And such that young people were not interested in modern ones!

      I agree with you. I just want to note that the modern government of the Russian Federation does not need propaganda of the Soviet way of life. After all, the Soviet Union and the current Russian Federation are anthogonosts!
      These are class implacable enemies!
      It was not at all then that the Soviet Union was destroyed and destroyed, in order to then propagate the Feat of Soviet People in the Second World War.
      Remember the passage from The Tale of a Real Man ":
      Read it? The Commissioner asked slyly. (Alexey was silent, still running his eyes along the lines.) - Well, what do you say?
      “But he didn't just have a foot.”
      - But you are a Soviet person.
      - He flew on the "farm." Is it a plane? This is a whatnot. Why not fly on it? There is such control that neither agility nor speed is necessary.
      “But you are a Soviet man!” The Commissioner insisted.
      “A Soviet man,” Alexei repeated mechanically, still not taking his eyes off the note; then his pale face lit up with some kind of inner blush, and he looked around everyone with amazement and joyful eyes. "
      And what do you think current censorship will skip this film for screening?
      In short, the wording is this: all fabrications, fabrications, lies about the war, the extinction of the symbols and meaning of Victory is the goal of the Russian government! Because, I repeat The Russian Federation and the Soviet Union are irreconcilable enemies in terms of socio-political formation!
      Something like this....
      1. DRA-88
        DRA-88 19 May 2015 23: 34
        +1
        Well, someone put a minus and disappeared ....
        Refute what I wrote, try it!
        That's how you live .. made from behind and into the bushes ... what kind of man are you?
        So ... ugh ... and grind on you and your minuses. negative
      2. 97110
        97110 20 May 2015 12: 18
        +2
        Quote: DRA-88
        In short, the wording is this: all fabrications, fabrications, lies about the war, the extinction of the symbols and meaning of Victory is the goal of the Russian government! Since, I repeat the Russian Federation and the Soviet Union, these are implacable enemies in terms of socio-political formation!

        Judging by the number of cons, you hooked the enemies of the people. Because a mortal will forgive a mortal, only he will not forgive the truth. A plus.
        1. 97110
          97110 20 May 2015 15: 36
          +1
          Quote: 97110
          only the truth will not forgive.

          Well what did I say!
          1. DRA-88
            DRA-88 20 May 2015 22: 30
            +1
            Quote: 97110
            Judging by the number of cons, you hooked the enemies of the people. Because a mortal will forgive a mortal, only he will not forgive the truth. A plus.

            Quote: 97110
            Well what did I say!

            You looked into the water! good And notice a single controversial comment! Not a single one ... Well, damn it, with anano-ananimas We live, about 50 to 50 ...
            Thank you for your support! drinks
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 19 May 2015 23: 23
      +1
      How was this "Liberation" not shown ?! hi
    3. Alexey Lobanov
      Alexey Lobanov 20 May 2015 06: 44
      +2
      Perhaps in Siberia some other TV is being played, but, on a glance, I personally watched Victory Day "They fought for the Motherland", "Only old people go to battle", "Liberation" on central channels ... Your lie about " ... There was nothing to watch! Well, old films ... ". And the minus is not mine hi
      1. 97110
        97110 20 May 2015 12: 22
        +1
        Quote: Alexey Lobanov
        Perhaps we have something else in Siberia

        Maybe you have a different time. Specially did not look out for the program. And by the method of the usual, inciting his wife from himself, clicking the channels, it was not possible to get the listed films. Somewhere around Karaulov (from 6-00, from 23-00) can be seen twisted.
  6. forester
    forester 19 May 2015 19: 17
    +6
    the appearance of such billboards is the result of a "reform" of education and not some kind of conspiracy before Victory Day - who does not agree with me, ask the young people whether they know how many days the siege of Leningrad lasted, or a simpler question - what date of the month and year the Great Patriotic War began As Kozma said Prutkov - "look at the root"
    1. Frigate
      Frigate 19 May 2015 19: 26
      +1
      Russia is still under the influence of the West. Need to drop the yoke. Restore tight centralization of power. Restore ideology.
      But first you need to blame the liberals and their ideas.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 19 May 2015 19: 37
      +4
      Quote: forester
      the appearance of such billboards is the result of a "reform" of education and not some kind of conspiracy before Victory Day

      You will be surprised, but to education reform this is by no means
      the designer got a task on a billboard to place a photo of the airplane’s cabin, typed in Yandex or Google the phrase, found the pictures, chose the right size and set, moreover, 90% even from this forum would have looked at this billboard and without notice of inconsistencies passed by
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 19 May 2015 21: 10
        +1
        How is this irrelevant? Education is valuable primarily in that a person is able to think, comprehend and think rationally. Any knowledge sooner or later becomes obsolete, and a good education makes a person a professional.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 19 May 2015 21: 43
          +3
          You just have a poor idea of ​​the work of that very designer, but about education, can you distinguish the abbreviation "panther" from "tiger" without prompting to recognize the silhouettes of airplanes?
          I know by myself it’s like I checked everything a hundred times, looked, and on the print we got a mirror image of the photo
          I do not justify this incident, but it also makes no sense to make something of it either.
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    3. 97110
      97110 20 May 2015 12: 27
      0
      Quote: forester
      take an interest in youth

      If I ask my sons, then you are wrong. But there are other young people where you are right. Why is this other engaged in an area critical to the future of the people - that’s the question. And the answer is to the guiding and guiding force this is either necessary or the same.
  7. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 19 May 2015 19: 25
    +5
    What a shame for a newspaper, for some misunderstanding is also called "Komsomolyes truth"!
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 19 May 2015 20: 18
      +7
      And Komsomolskaya Pravda has long been smoked. At the end of the 80-x began to print as everything is good in the west. 90 had huge articles about imported beer and how to drink it properly. Then any gossip, etc. In short, I have not read it for a long time.
  8. Moksha
    Moksha 19 May 2015 19: 25
    +3
    How will such a heresy not appear? I watched (for some reason) a fake about the war from Mikhalkov: Anticipation and the Citadel. For such films, you need to be deprived of titles and excommunicated from the cinema. ALWAYS!
  9. mole
    mole 19 May 2015 19: 30
    +1
    If for historical lies are punished with fines, then in a stroke the "inventors" of the alternative will disappear. It is enough to carry out an examination. But we have "freedom of speech", which has long grown into irresponsibility. You cannot prove anything in court. In general, the prosecutor's office should actually deal with this. So far, unfortunately, we have the honor and dignity of only Serdyukovs, Vasilievs and Polonskys protected. Well, you can't call them until the end of the trial THIEVES, only "ex-ministers", "businessmen", etc., and everything else is "freedom of speech", you can't am
  10. DarthVedro
    DarthVedro 19 May 2015 19: 32
    +3
    So after all, confusion in ideology is a strange fusion of liberalism and monarchy and clericalization by the state. Shitty education. Nepotism. Savings on needles and kickbacks at the same time. Tell me more that Putin is not a liberal and you are lying about the children of our "patriots" abroad !!
  11. MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 19 May 2015 19: 35
    -2
    It would be funny if it were not so sad. Ivanes who do not remember kinship.
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 19 May 2015 19: 51
      +8
      Quote: MATROSKIN-53
      It would be funny if it were not so sad. Ivanes who do not remember kinship.

      Well, they’re Ivana coming ...
      1. lev1201
        lev1201 19 May 2015 20: 26
        -12
        it reminds me of one of the movie opuses of Nikita Migalkin-Besogonov.
        1. MIKHALYCH1
          MIKHALYCH1 19 May 2015 21: 12
          +3
          Quote: lev1201
          it reminds me of one of the movie opuses of Nikita Migalkin-Besogonov.

          Well, still with your flag ... bully Who would doubt that... hi
  12. the villain
    the villain 19 May 2015 19: 43
    +7
    Just return the old Soviet school curriculum. After all, it was considered the best in the world. And the authors of the exam on the count ... am
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 19 May 2015 19: 44
      +5
      better let them be treated by those who study according to their programs
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  14. fa2998
    fa2998 19 May 2015 19: 52
    +2
    Quote: Baikonur
    In preparation for the celebration of Victory Day, heterosexual blondes from public relations departments of administrations of any level generously decorate the streets with photographic posters with German tanks and planes.

    They must be driven away by filthy brooms !!!

    Yes, do not drive them. It is necessary to fight against companionship. When any leader throws dust in the eyes of the boss. Governors go around their "estates", and mayors try to jump higher than their heads. - the mayor in good standing. Everything should come from true patriotism. If a child asks for help with a drawing for the Victory Day, I do not draw Me-109 with stars. hi
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  16. Glafira
    Glafira 19 May 2015 21: 44
    +3
    "Where did the snowdrifts come from in October 1941, when, after capturing Mozhaisk, the Germans reached Moscow, the science fiction writer and the archpriest did not explain," but I can quite do it.
    Mom and grandmother fought a war in the partisan region in the Pskov region, with all the ensuing from this ... First in the houses, then in a swamp in the dugouts. Grew up on stories about the war. So here. In 1941. Snow fell on the Veil, and did not melt.
    Veil - October 14, according to a new style.
    1. 97110
      97110 20 May 2015 12: 33
      0
      Quote: Glafira
      "Where did the snowdrifts come from in October 1941, when, after capturing Mozhaisk, the Germans came to Moscow, the science fiction writer with the archpriest did not explain"

      Duc inside the Moscow Ring Road there is no cover. Microclimate ... So the inhabitants of the throne do not believe it - is that the right name for the kids?
  17. Million
    Million 19 May 2015 22: 15
    +3
    I must say thank you to Yeltsin, Fursenko, Lebanon ...
  18. atamankko
    atamankko 19 May 2015 23: 02
    0
    The exam is already doing its vile deed.
  19. terminator978
    terminator978 19 May 2015 23: 29
    +2
    All the same, it seems to me that the whole problem is in education. If the managers who download from the Internet these pictures were a little smarter, then they would put a photo of famous Soviet heroes. And so they were taught science at school, and patriotic education was ruined in the bud. Many of them do not know who the Oktyabrs are, the pioneers (by the way, on the occasion of the Pioneer Holiday of you all), Komsomol members. They (managers) were only one communists to blame for everything. If veterans were always invited from the kindergarten on Victory Day and they talked about the war, then this is called patriotic education and reverence for the elderly. And knowledge or ignorance of history is thorough, this is not a fact of education and upbringing. My wife, a historian teacher, teaches children at school, says that it is impossible to know all dates and events. And we were driven to school in Soviet times by dates and events, and we have to tell a lot about the war and remember the dates about the war.
  20. Zomanus
    Zomanus 20 May 2015 00: 01
    0
    It is necessary to create an all-Russian archive of military photographs. With a description for each photo. And so that designers would take photos only from this archive with the mandatory signature. To oblige municipal authorities to work only with materials from this archive. There, in fact, a lot of photos for the holiday are not needed. In general, military photographs of the sea. And it seems like I've already seen everything, but constantly new appears.
  21. navigator
    navigator 20 May 2015 00: 06
    +1
    Quote: bocsman
    And films about the war of recent years. Such profanity can only be ordered, rented and launched by enemies!


    The 90s were not in vain. And 70 years have passed since Victory Day. There are fewer and fewer veterans every year. Soviet war films were shot by front-line soldiers, front-line soldiers or children of the war. They passed and won this war. Therefore, the films are real, not blockbusters. .But not everything is so hopeless. Didn't you see "Brest Fortress"?

    http://kino-ussr.ru/forum/showtopic/40-aktery-frontoviki
  22. V. Tarasyan
    V. Tarasyan 20 May 2015 01: 00
    0
    Generally speaking, the P-5 is an unarmed version of the R-5 aircraft. Therefore, an attempt by the author of the article to reproach another author for not knowing the material turned out, as it were, to put it mildly, not entirely correct. And with Grokhovsky’s experiments, too, as is now customary to say, not everything is clear. There was a time like this, an active search for solutions, rejection of deadlock solutions. Their experiments, even unsuccessful ones, provided food for thought, new ideas that led to the correct solution of problems. But it is, out of respect for the truth.
    Unfortunately, with the level of knowledge of today's youth about the Great Patriotic War, especially the "creatiff", such stories with posters are likely to be repeated more than once.
  23. a housewife
    a housewife 20 May 2015 02: 54
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    better let them be treated by those who study according to their programs

    I saw and learned "from them" ... negative
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 20 May 2015 07: 03
      0
      Well rudeness is great
      I think that if I follow your publications, I’ll find quite a few mistakes
  24. Velizariy
    Velizariy 20 May 2015 09: 33
    -1
    Kreakly half the trouble, but those who order these posters and cards and then carry out the acceptance of the order! They miss it! Kreakly, they are easily brought up by flogging and talking, having previously deprived them of their Internet drink, take them on public work and in a year there will be a different person, but those brainless creatures, well, or simply correctors, customers should go to explore the polar territories for a longer time !
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 20 May 2015 09: 52
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      Quote: Velizariy
      They miss it!

      You want to say that you would pay attention to getting on this banner? !!
      Quote: Velizariy
      but those brainless creatures, well, or simply right-wingers

      well, enough about "provocations" this particular case has nothing to do with either provocation or lack of education, but the designer screwed up, but not on purpose, but out of stupidity, he simply did not check the photo, and you immediately sew politics
  25. Support
    Support 20 May 2015 13: 05
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    All the hucksters, capitalists, traders, to the gallows. They did not create anything, they did not build, they just stole and steal and speculate. Long live socialism and the Soviet Union. Everything else is from the liquid huckster.
  26. Velizariy
    Velizariy 20 May 2015 13: 08
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    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: Velizariy
    They miss it!

    You want to say that you would pay attention to getting on this banner? !!
    Quote: Velizariy
    but those brainless creatures, well, or simply right-wingers

    well, enough about "provocations" this particular case has nothing to do with either provocation or lack of education, but the designer screwed up, but not on purpose, but out of stupidity, he simply did not check the photo, and you immediately sew politics

    Note, dear, before setting the minus, I didn’t mention this particular banner, but I talked about all such tricks, where there were tigers (the Tiger, for your information, Pz VI, is simply a German tank) were soldiers with angular helmets and in German uniform, in your opinion will be dressed as scouts))
    And yes! if I stood in front of this banner, I would be very surprised (here you can use another word) to see the banner depicting people in the cockpit of a German aircraft wearing Luftwaffe pilots' equipment with the inscription: "They fought for the Motherland", no doubt! only for whose?
    And if you don’t know something about others, better be quiet.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 20 May 2015 15: 26
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      Quote: Velizariy
      This tiger, for your information, Pz VI, simply a German tank) there were also soldiers with angular helmets and in German uniform, in your opinion they will be dressed as scouts

      For my information, not Pz VI, but PzKpfw VI Ausf. H
      to everything else I already answered spread out thinking on a plate I don’t see the point
      Quote: Velizariy
      And yes! if I stood in front of this banner, I would be very surprised (here you can use another word) to see the banner depicting people in the cockpit of a German aircraft wearing Luftwaffe pilots' equipment with the inscription: "They fought for the Motherland", no doubt! only for whose?
      And if you don’t know something about others, better be quiet.

      but let's not, you wrongly gave the abbreviation "tiger", I can say with a greater degree of probability that 99% of people do not know the silhouettes of aircraft, all the more so they do not distinguish the giblets of a Luftwaffe aircraft from aircraft of the Red Army Air Force
  27. Velizariy
    Velizariy 21 May 2015 09: 07
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    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: Velizariy
    This tiger, for your information, Pz VI, simply a German tank) there were also soldiers with angular helmets and in German uniform, in your opinion they will be dressed as scouts

    For my information, not Pz VI, but PzKpfw VI Ausf. H
    to everything else I already answered spread out thinking on a plate I don’t see the point
    Quote: Velizariy
    And yes! if I stood in front of this banner, I would be very surprised (here you can use another word) to see the banner depicting people in the cockpit of a German aircraft wearing Luftwaffe pilots' equipment with the inscription: "They fought for the Motherland", no doubt! only for whose?
    And if you don’t know something about others, better be quiet.

    but let's not, you wrongly gave the abbreviation "tiger", I can say with a greater degree of probability that 99% of people do not know the silhouettes of aircraft, all the more so they do not distinguish the giblets of a Luftwaffe aircraft from aircraft of the Red Army Air Force

    Anyone who orders and accepts such banners should know this ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 21 May 2015 09: 37
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      Do you think that World War II aviation experts order?
      believe me order the same people as you told them all nishtyak plane cool, it looks great
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 21 May 2015 09: 46
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      after, once again, the problem (in a specific situation) is inflated not commensurate with the soma problem