Military Review

Pension problems in the Russian Federation. Returning to the printed

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In “New Petersburg” No. 7 (1159) 19.02.2015, the article “Gender pension discrimination of women in the Russian Federation” by T.F. Zueva. Then, 23.03.2015, the same article, only in a slightly expanded form under the same name and already as “An Open Analytical Note for the Security Council of the Russian Federation” was published on the Military Review website under the Opinion heading: http://topwar.ru/71405-gendernaya-pensionnaya-disrkiminaciya-zhenschin-v-rf-2015-otkrytaya-analiticheskaya-zapiska-dlya-sb-rf.html. This additional publication on the Internet made it possible to conduct a kind of sociological research among Russian men, who, firstly, are designed to protect their homeland, and secondly, which, in principle, does not concern raising the retirement age to 63 years. (The military is retiring so far much earlier than 60 years.) At the same time, an article on the Military Observation website scored an 74% positive rating from the voluntary respondents of the Opinion rubric. This means that the majority of male readers of this site in one way or another, proceeding even from the common sense of the need for a socially fair functioning of society in general, i.e. without being tied to any social system at all, they spoke in favor of the fact that women still have to retire in old age before men. Moreover, such an opinion was expressed as family people; people with children; people are just with great life experience, and so far are not family, but sensible and without gender problems, young men. For the formation of a civil society in the Russian Federation, this is already encouraging. Well, where other sites reprinted an article from Military Review, but already in the Analytics section, the opinions of male readers turned out to be more politically balanced and more rigid. Namely, that the monetarism of the doctrine of the “shock” of the capitalism of the disasters of M. Friedman with his so-called ideology. The “free market” of capital, goods and labor in its very principle is not able to form socially fair relations in the country, and that, in theory, society needs to return to socialism.

Does the Russian government plan to rule in the country with social justice? The Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation is definitely not! Neither Kudrin, Alexey Leonidovich, nor his successor, Siluanov, Anton Germanovich, are not capable of that! Moreover, the Friedman metaphysical contagion of the Machiavellian ideology of the world bank usurers ’Fed leaders also applies to members of the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, in particular, represented by its chairman V.I. Matvienko. (Moreover, Valentina Ivanovna, like the Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation, is also automatically a member of the Security Council of the Russian Federation.)

Namely, V.I. Matvienko, in February 2015, has already proposed to legislatively replace the term “old-age pension” with the term “old-age pension.” She said: “We need to change this, because today women in 55 years and men in 60 years are still awake, they are still working, they are in good shape and even uncomfortable for a woman to show that she has retired for old age” (http: // www.rosbalt.ru/main/2015/02/18/1369420.html). This is not a harmless metaphysical proposal of a high-ranking official for society, as it may seem at first glance.

IN AND. Matvienko thinks not dialectically, but metaphysically: she does not divide real people into people of mental and physical labor, people of complete and people of incomplete, shortened working hours; on people with good and people with poor material wealth, etc. For her, all real people are the same person - they are the ones who are allowed to see her in a formal setting. Would she know how many toothless citizens in our country alone cannot really afford prosthetics ?! Judging by her biography, she herself, as the people say, did not hold anything else heavier than a pencil and folders with papers at work. Still, I remember well how Valentina Ivanovna, to put it mildly, looked rather bad in her 54 year, when she began working as mayor in St. Petersburg in 2003 year. But then, already working as a St. Petersburg mayor, she began to flourish, “look younger”, and now in her 66 years as chairman of the Federal Assembly of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation, 54-year-old herself looks like a good-looking beauty, even though she’s married again ! So her blissful generalization of all the working people of the Russian Federation "with the same combination" about the "youth" and "vivacity" of all new retirees who retire for old age, discredits her as an experienced and honest politician.

Why the term "old-age pension" categorically cannot be changed to the term "old-age pension"?

The fact is that the term “old-age pension” is a reference (as the cornerstone of a building) and an unequivocal concept for building a socially just society in general and the entire pension system in the country, in particular. The term “old-age pension” is the basic term for counting all other types of early pensions derived from it. Moreover, in it the concept of "old age" acts as an algorithm for thinking - that is, as if an exact signpost showing in which direction to analyze the situation on the issue of pensions, our thinking should move and develop.

Indeed, when a socially just, non-parasitic society is formed, the first question that arises is whether we will force people to die until we die, or will we let the workers justly rest for a while before they leave their lives — well, at least as before, they still can not? If we give, then from what criterion of truth should we proceed when calculating this very "retirement age for old age"? It is clear that if we are talking about old age when calculating the "retirement age for old age", then we should proceed from the medical indicators, with the general criteria of truth for all people. And such a general medical criterion of truth for the starting point when calculating the retirement age for all people is the end of the childbearing period after menopause. (Sturgeon fish generally die immediately after spawning.)

On average for the country for women it ends in 45-50 years, for men in 50-55 years. Further, to this age should be added democratically the same number of years (following gender equality), for example 5 years, as it was established from Soviet times, and as a result we get a scientifically based and democratic age for all Russians “retirement old age”: for women 50 + 5 = 55 years and for men 55 + 5 = 60 years. And then as someone lucky in the sense of surviving to death.

Now imagine that the term “old-age pension” is replaced by the term “old-age pension” - and immediately an unambiguous reference medical criterion of truth as an objective indicator for calculating the retirement age “old-age” immediately disappears. At the same time, the thinking algorithm also changes - the dialectical materialist method is replaced by the metaphysical method (all women and men are “cut” indiscriminately) with a relativistic bias of a subjectively idealistic sense. And relativism works according to the principle “the shaft, where it left” and “I want it, and I roll back!”. And now, in this case, the powers that be will be able to arbitrarily arbitrarily assign ANY age for people to retire on old age in the country - and without taking into account the very concept of "old age" in general - already proceeding entirely from their own personal egoistic considerations and opportunistic government interests. At the same time, those in power can even make it so that the right to an “old-age pension” (previously “old-age”) for the majority of the population — among ordinary citizens of the country — will only be on paper, since people can really simply not live to see this renamed AVERAGE pensions in general! But the other group - the “chosen” part of the population - will continue to freely retire early in an arbitrary order and immediately receive pension payments. And no one will know how scientifically sound and socially fair it will be. Power becomes NON-TRANSPARENT!

This is exactly what the VI suggested. Matvienko.

In other words, her proposal to replace the term “old age pension” with the term “old age pension” indicates that she, being the chairman of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation Federation Council, is makiavelly and irresponsibly trying to manipulate the public consciousness in favor of prolongation for many years monetarist, liberal reforms in Russia, as such in general, and pension in particular, on the principle of the final establishment in the country of domination of financial capital in accordance with mendations "of the IMF. Meanwhile, first of all, while maintaining the previous monetarist course, any economic effect from raising the retirement age for old age in principle will be leveled out in a year already, 2-3, i.e. will be short-term temporary. And the Russian government will be forced again, through 3-4, of the year to do the same - i.e. again raise the retirement age. And so it will be indefinitely. For financial crises under monetarism in general never disappear anywhere, but will only be repeated more often and with a new force. As a result, the pension system in the country will be practically dismantled - it will remain only for the “elect”. And secondly, if the authorities do not really see and do not find a real way out of the crisis for the country, then, willy-nilly, the existing liberal government and federal team will have to really resort to manipulating the public consciousness in order to somehow remain in power in the Russian Federation and keep the country from geopolitical collapse. (Or, on the contrary, to destroy it completely.) What is V.I. Matvienko already now does.

It is good that while the proposal of V.I. Matvienko was "delicately" rejected - ostensibly "for technical reasons": there is supposedly no money in the country for the implementation of her proposal during the current crisis. However, this means that her proposal, in principle, has not been withdrawn from the agenda at all.

Thus, and V.I. Matvienko, and A.G. Siluanovs are sitting “in the same liberal boat” and, in fact, by and large they are rowing in the same direction - in the interests of the global financial capital of US Federal Reserve Bank and us “bankers” usurers in pension matters.

All this not only disappoints the people, but also constitutes a threat to the national security of Russia.

And if we now urgently do not return to the education system of Russia the study of the dialectical materialist method, then we will just as “moron” and die, as now deceived citizens in Ukraine are dying. As they say, everything has its time!

November 4.04.2015, XNUMX
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New Petersburg Newspaper, No. 14 (1166), April 9, 2015, www.npeterburg.ru and newspb.su
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  1. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov April 29 2015 06: 07
    +12
    Of course, it is necessary to reduce the retirement age to at least 50 years, otherwise many do not survive to retirement due to low living standards.
    1. gorge1945
      gorge1945 April 29 2015 07: 01
      +17
      Valentina Ivanovna, isn't it time for you to retire the age of pension. And in general, so that officials of any level know the life of an ordinary Russian better, everyone should work at least a year in production performing the duties of a simple hard worker. And you Valentina Ivanovna good advice, do not say what you do not know, but more often be in the outback of Russia and you will see the true face of the people, and not those faces that revolve around you. Give the old man a pension at least half of your salary, provide affordable medicine, do normal utility rates, then it will be possible to talk about the cheerfulness of our old people. Well, if you do not control the situation, then there is nothing to carry nonsense.
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 April 29 2015 07: 23
        +5
        It's good that Valentina Ivanovna is in good health and looks good, this is a big plus for her! But if she, like other working officials who have stepped over the retirement age and at the same time with a good salary, would refuse pensions ... it would be a double plus and respect for them.
        1. anip
          anip April 29 2015 09: 09
          +7
          Quote: Tatar 174
          But if she, like other working officials who have stepped over the retirement age and at the same time with a good salary, would refuse pensions ... it would be a double plus and respect for them.

          And if she did not sit in the management, but went to stamping and stood up to the stamp or went to work in the impregnation, or on the farm, then there would be even more respect.
          But no, it's easy to talk about raising the retirement age while sitting your ass in a comfortable chair.
      2. milann
        milann April 29 2015 11: 01
        +6
        Quote: gorge1945
        Give the old man a pension at least half your salary

        If pensions are assigned "at least half of Matvienko's salary," the country will go bankrupt after the first pension payment. wink
        1. bannik
          bannik April 29 2015 11: 55
          +5
          The country is already being ruined by the salaries of the "matvienoks" and their activities "for the good of the people."
    2. Hyperboreas
      Hyperboreas April 29 2015 07: 05
      -20
      Let's not work at all then !!! We now have a demographic hole, and when we get out of it it is not clear if everyone together retires then who will work? Add to this that in an average family of 1 children! So an increase in retirement age is now the best way out.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 29 2015 07: 11
        -8
        Quote: Hyperborea
        Then let's not work at all !!!

        Correctly good
        Quote: Hyperborea
        So increasing the retirement age is now the best way out.

        Only they are not going to raise it laughing
        1. saag
          saag April 29 2015 07: 16
          +14
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Only they are not going to raise it

          "... Russia is not ready for a sharp increase in the retirement age," Russian President Vladimir Putin said during the "direct line".

          Original news RT in Russian:
          http://russian.rt.com/article/86010"

          keywords - "sharp increase", the increase itself is not denied in principle
          1. kostik1301
            kostik1301 April 29 2015 07: 39
            +19
            After reading the article, I came to the conclusion that it is time to send the current vertical of power together with its creator to the dustbin of history, I apologize for retirement ............ otherwise they will be doing this inside the country .........
          2. sunzhenets
            sunzhenets April 29 2015 11: 32
            0
            And "not ready" means that in the future it is quite possible
            1. jjj
              jjj April 29 2015 12: 47
              0
              Friends, understand the simple truth: all talk about raising the retirement age, canceling pension payments to "well-earning" citizens is an attempt to destabilize the country. It is important to force the older generation not to vote for Putin; it is important to rouse the people to "fight the hated regime." The stakes are very high, the liberals in power understand that their time is running out, that they will have to answer for a lot. But they, nevertheless, only intensify their offensive.
              Pension reform is confused to impossibility. And this has been done, there is simply no other explanation, also for younger people who have yet to retire to raise a protest. Meanwhile, the system can be absolutely simple. For retirement, a person must work out the number of years. For this, the state pays the basic content equally to everyone. And it doesn’t matter if you were an oilman or a nanny in a kindergarten. For each more worked year, the state adds the same to everyone. This is a fee for the total contribution to the development of the country.
              But what if one received a salary more and the other less? And for this - special voluntary pension insurance programs. Every year you deduct the amount you can. This is both a replenished deposit with the possibility of receiving it upon reaching a certain age, and life insurance. That is, if the insured has died earlier, then relatives receive the amount for which he was insured. And upon reaching a certain age, a person can receive the accumulated amount all at once or in parts every month. And at the same time, interest will still accrue on the remaining balances annually. There are such formulas, they are practically worked out and have proved their effectiveness.
              But for some reason, the next weaning of money from the employer is cluttered with vague prospects for their return
              1. atalef
                atalef April 29 2015 12: 57
                +4
                Quote: jjj
                Friends, understand the simple truth: all talk about raising the retirement age, canceling pension payments to "well-earning" citizens is an attempt to destabilize the country.

                No, this is probing the ground for raising the retirement age, or do you think that with 100% controlled media, someone would give the opportunity to just throw out such ducks? Do you think Putin does not watch TV?
                Quote: jjj
                It is important to make the older generation not vote for Putin, it is important to raise the people to "fight the hated regime

                Calm down, Putin has nothing to fear, there is no alternative
                Quote: jjj
                For retirement, a person must work N-th number of years. For this, the state pays everyone the same basic maintenance. It doesn't matter if you were an oil worker or a nurse in a kindergarten. For each more worked year, the state adds to everyone equally. This is the payment for the total contribution to the development of the country.

                Interestingly, that is, the pension will not depend on wages and working conditions?
                Why such discrimination of miners (as an example)
                Quote: jjj
                That is, if the insured died earlier, then the relatives receive the amount for which he was insured

                Pension and insurance are completely different concepts
                Quote: jjj
                And upon reaching a certain age, a person can receive the accumulated amount all at once or in parts every month

                All at once? We had such an experience for several years, children came, rake out the entire pension from poor parents at once (or pensioners lost at the stock exchange, sweepstakes, etc.) and then with outstretched hand - we had nothing to live on and the state was obliged to provide a living wage - - the freebie has ended - pensions, only in parts
                Quote: jjj
                There are such formulas, they have been practically worked out and have proven their effectiveness.

                Not this way
                Quote: jjj
                Oh, for some reason, we are piling up another withdrawal of money from the employer with vague prospects for their return

                Well, it's clear why, the money is ownerless, the pension fund is in the hands of the state
        2. atalef
          atalef April 29 2015 12: 33
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Only they are not going to raise it

          Sasha, he will definitely be promoted, do you remember a year ago I told you that they would take money out of the pension fund and raise their age, but you still didn’t believe. hi
      2. APASUS
        APASUS April 29 2015 07: 24
        +13
        Quote: Hyperborea
        So increasing the retirement age is now the best way out.

        Let's cancel the pension altogether, let them plow to the grave!
        The increase in the retirement age causes only bewilderment in our state. Finding a job for an average citizen after 50 is almost impossible, only if for a penny. Everything has its own life, and so a person's body wears out by this date, who needs employees 55-60?
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL April 29 2015 08: 35
          -3
          Finding a job for an average citizen after 50 is almost impossible, only if for a penny. Everything has its own service life, and so the human body wears out by this date, who needs employees 55-60?
          historical anecdote:
          - Semen Mikhailovich Budyonny was asked: "Tell me please, do you like Babel?"
          - It depends on what kind of babel, - Budyonny replied meaningfully ...

          ... depending on what kind of work, and depending on what kind of organism - and what kind of person!
          If a "man" lived like Satan "put on his soul" - he ate a lot, drank hard, did not take care of his health ... finally, he did not take care of his soul ... then maybe 55 years is a late old age? and for someone 35 ...
          1. stolz
            stolz April 29 2015 10: 02
            +3
            If a "man" lived like Satan "put on his soul" - he ate a lot, drank hard, did not take care of his health ... finally, he did not take care of his soul ... then maybe 55 years is a late old age? and for someone 35 ...

            Yeah, whoever does not smoke or drink will die healthy. But is that really the point? Life one and the second attempt will no longer be and it is necessary, what is available to use to the maximum. In my opinion, it is better to eat and drink a lot than to eat oatmeal and drink urine therapy, for the sake of prolongation of existence, because this cannot be called life.
            1. CONTROL
              CONTROL April 29 2015 10: 18
              0
              ... the world has been doing this for a long time:
              We differ in fate
              In tastes and even more so;
              I explained this to you in a fable.
              Are you crazy about Berlin;
              I prefer Medyn.
              You, my friend, and bitter horseradish - raspberries,
              And me and blancmange - wormwood!
              K. Prutkov
          2. APASUS
            APASUS April 29 2015 19: 18
            +2
            Quote: CONTROL
            ... depending on what kind of work, and depending on what kind of organism - and from what kind of person! If a "man" lived like Satan "put on his soul" - he ate a lot, drank hard, did not look after his health ... finally, he did not take care of his soul .. maybe 55 is late old age? and for someone 35 ...

            What kind of hat are you trying to breed here, you are only one smart ???
            My father is a diver welder. I still have health, but my eyes no longer see and, as it should be, all the concomitant diseases of divers.
            He won't go for 10 thousand as a watchman, but who needs him?
        2. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul April 29 2015 12: 48
          +4
          Let's cancel the pension altogether, let them plow to the grave!
          And the next step is to introduce serfdom, otherwise slaves, i.e. the people do not understand all the care of the masters (the authorities) for their own good.
          He doesn't want to work, give him a pension. laughing
          PS All these guardians of the people, after 60 years to be sent to work as loaders, let them show by personal example that after 60 you can plow the same way as at 20. As the proverb says "Tryndet, do not move sacks!" hi
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      3. GOR_XVII
        GOR_XVII April 29 2015 09: 11
        -5
        This is how you need to write your doctoral dissertations, you take 2 words "old-age pension" and "old-age pension" and start to waste time on 20 pages, add a few sentences about official justice and the desire for a bright communist distance and you're done. Apparently Comrade. Zueva has vast experience in party work in high positions and is clearly aiming for Matvieno's place.
        By the way, the expression "old age pension" sounds much more attractive than old age. According to Zuevsky, it turns out that once he retired, so immediately the old one. This makes no sense. Comrade Zueva in this way and to the telegraph pole can get to the bottom.
        1. lidiy
          lidiy April 29 2015 11: 40
          +5
          It all starts small. First, they will change the words in the wording, then they will change the law, and now we have lost another social right for which our ancestors shed their blood since 1917.
          Have you seen the logo for the 70th anniversary of the Victory (white dove on a blue background)? I read an article the other day and was surprised to learn that many citizens of our country condemn this logo as inappropriate and incompatible with the date May 9, they believe that it is more suitable for May 1. And I didn't think about it. I have an inner awareness of Victory Day, it would seem, what difference does it make what is depicted on the logo, but this is where it all begins: change the flag, star, logo, police to police and much more, and now in the end we already live in another state. But the changes are not over yet. In addition to optimizing schools, hospitals, cultural centers, our government really wants to optimize pensioners as well.
          By the way, the Communist Party planned to hold a march for the resignation of the government on March 1, but Nemtsov was murdered, I don't know what happened next.
      4. Svetlana
        Svetlana April 29 2015 09: 13
        +5
        Quote: Hyperborea
        Let's not work at all then !!! We now have a demographic hole, and when we get out of it it is not clear if everyone together retires then who will work? Add to this that in an average family of 1 children! So an increase in retirement age is now the best way out.

        Dear Hyperborea, do not be so naive. While we work or not, we decide only ourselves, if we want to live, and not die under the fence, then we plow. And we travel around the country in search of work. And even pensioners, while their health allows, do not have the opportunity to sit at home and not work. Is it possible to live in retirement in 10 thousands if you buy family products for a week at the store now, you need a dozen, at least? And many pay a mortgage almost until their death - years before 70. Correctly, the article says - with this increase in the retirement age, everything will only begin. As a result, we will be convinced that we generally cannot retire.
      5. bannik
        bannik April 29 2015 12: 01
        +2
        Quote: Hyperborea
        Let's not work at all then !!! We now have a demographic hole, and when we get out of it it is not clear if everyone together retires then who will work? Add to this that in an average family of 1 children! So an increase in retirement age is now the best way out.

        Optimal for whom?
      6. plebs
        plebs April 29 2015 13: 44
        +3
        So increasing the retirement age is now the best way out.
        At the same time, we forgive the debts of Madagascar, Vietnam, Nigeria and others. And this is billions of dollars, you cannot throw a little into the pension fund, replacing little thieves from it. This is just a small fraction of what our government is wasting.
      7. winipuh37
        winipuh37 April 29 2015 20: 39
        +1
        but let's better change the constitution, nationalize the Central Bank, which will lower interest rates, say 0,04% per annum, than will cause an injection of money into the country's economy, and there will be no need to chase investors around the world. then there will be enough money ...
    3. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 April 29 2015 07: 11
      +8
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      Of course, it is necessary to reduce the retirement age to at least 50 years, otherwise many do not survive to retirement due to low living standards.

      Or they live, so that later they can "have a well-deserved rest" only while on medication, spending their entire pension on it. On the other hand, practically nothing remains from the pension ...
    4. volot-voin
      volot-voin April 29 2015 08: 14
      0
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      Of course, the retirement age must be reduced to at least 50 years.

      Here they do not know which goat to ride to increase, but you are here .... to decrease. Now Kudrin, then Siluanov climb with initiatives.
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    6. siberalt
      siberalt April 29 2015 08: 58
      0
      By age or old age. As they say, whatever you call it, don't put it in the oven. Here is something else interesting. The Duma started talking about the adoption of a law on parasitism. This is the case! good
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 April 29 2015 12: 01
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        The Duma started talking about the adoption of a law on parasitism. This is the case!

        This is certainly good! But, for a whole year I was unemployed, I was looking for a job, I was registered, but there was no suitable job. And if again someone is like that, then what, six months later, a parasite or something under the article ???
      2. Wheel
        Wheel April 29 2015 14: 30
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        By age or old age. As they say, whatever you call it, don't put it in the oven. Here is something else interesting. The Duma started talking about the adoption of a law on parasitism. This is the case! good

        Uh-huh, with our unemployment rate, only the law on parasitism is not enough!
        For example, in the Komi Okrug, half of the working-age population can be imprisoned at once, because they survive as best they can, there is simply no work.
    7. Svetlana
      Svetlana April 29 2015 09: 00
      +2
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      Of course, it is necessary to reduce the retirement age to at least 50 years, otherwise many do not survive to retirement due to low living standards.

      In the same way, the retirement age, as well as upward, can be reduced in our society to a newborn. This will not solve the problems. It is necessary to work on improving the standard of living so that the work of man is in joy and pleasure, and is effective for society and for man himself. So that his life would be happy, and not be a struggle for survival. This requires social reform. Building a fair society. The one that Stalin began to build. But Khrushchev was in the bud, then Gorbachev finished it off.
      1. atalef
        atalef April 29 2015 12: 35
        0
        Quote: Svetlana
        Building a just society. The kind that Stalin began to build

        Can I find out what you specifically meant?
  2. proletariat1974
    proletariat1974 April 29 2015 06: 08
    -5
    is that hitting Matvienko?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 29 2015 06: 22
      -1
      Quote: proletarian1974
      is that hitting Matvienko?

      People have been talking about raising the retirement age since Putin came to power. There, on the website, too, someone constantly writes something like that, throws links to Medvedev, then to Putin himself, then hell knows who. The problem is that the retirement age is never raised. disappointing some of the local masses of visitors to the site wassat
      Yesterday, one of them tried to prove to me that Medvedev agreed with the proposal to raise the retirement age, exile from the State Duma, everything. laughing

      Mr. Putin, finally raise their retirement age, they have been dreaming about it for 14 years lol
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 April 29 2015 07: 32
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Here on the site, too, someone constantly writes something similar, throws links to Medvedev,

        A link to the transcript of Medvedev’s concluding remarks in the State Duma at the government’s annual report on April 21 2015 on the government’s official website: http://government.ru/news/17768/


        Will begin with deputies and officials at all levels, and finish as loaders. Ultimately, this will affect everyone, including beneficiaries (the military will not retire in 45-50 years, but in 55-60).
        As Humpback said, the main thing is to start, and the process will go.
    2. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf April 29 2015 13: 17
      +1
      No, this is a run over a librastic bastard who does not know how else to finish off the people. Eh, where are you, Iosif Vissarionovich, would shoot this gang in three seconds.
  3. fomkin
    fomkin April 29 2015 06: 13
    +18
    I tried to delve into the article, but everything related to pensions, as well as other legislation. even with a bottle you can't figure it out. But one thing I realized would be even worse.
  4. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n April 29 2015 06: 25
    +22
    Here's how to increase the retirement age - yes, ready! Hooray! Beneficial for the budget !!! And how to make a progressive tax is bad, they say our unfortunate oligarchs will hide money! Yes, to make a progressive tax like in developed countries on the rich and there is no need for the retirement age to be procrastinating anymore !!! in general, in order to have money in the budget, it is necessary to engage in industry, but we are only selling the legacy of the USSR, but devastating the bowels.!
    1. Hyperboreas
      Hyperboreas April 29 2015 07: 24
      -21
      Just don't talk about the hard life of a simple hard worker! If a person looks after himself, then he will look good at any job. And the news does not follow, then the office of an official will not help, obesity is a direct path to the next world
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 April 29 2015 08: 56
        +2
        Quote: Hyperborea
        Just don't talk about the hard life of a simple hard worker! If a person looks after himself, then he will look good at any job

        Like this ?: smile
        1. siberalt
          siberalt April 29 2015 09: 57
          +3
          Even if we talk about old-age pensions, then it must be paid without fail to slaves (hired workers), and businessmen and priests - from their fund how much they can accumulate on the exploitation of other people's labor and feelings of parishioners. laughing
        2. siberalt
          siberalt April 29 2015 09: 57
          0
          Even if we talk about old-age pensions, then it must be paid without fail to slaves (hired workers), and businessmen and priests - from their fund how much they can accumulate on the exploitation of other people's labor and feelings of parishioners. laughing
      2. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf April 29 2015 13: 25
        +2
        Mister, did you work in a pit with fuel oil and a 48 to 52 wrench repairing equipment, did you serve when in three shifts of flights, plowed on the field from morning to three at night? Or from morning to evening with Ksenia Sobchak on simulators and nightclubs?
      3. Bongo
        Bongo April 29 2015 14: 53
        +5
        Quote: Hyperborea
        If a person watches himself, then he will look good at any job.

        Tell this to those who work in the "hot" shops in metallurgical enterprises or miners working in the north. However, few of them live up to 60.
    2. atalef
      atalef April 29 2015 12: 37
      +3
      Quote: astronom1973n
      Here's how to increase the retirement age - yes, ready! Hooray! Beneficial for the budget !!!

      Yes, in general the best pensioner - who dies not even on the first day of retirement, but right on the wire
      Quote: astronom1973n
      ! And how to make a progressive tax is bad, they say our unfortunate oligarchs will hide money!

      No, it's just that half of the economy will go into the shadows
      Quote: astronom1973n
      no need to compare a worker in the shop and an official in the administration - it's ridiculous.

      It's not funny, officials in the galleys
    3. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul April 29 2015 12: 56
      +1
      And how to make a progressive tax is bad, they say our unfortunate oligarchs will hide money!
      They have already done this once, when they abolished the progressive tax and increased the income tax for everyone from 12% to 13%, in our government I know the popular wisdom: "From the world on a string, naked shirt!", The main income in the form of taxes from the people, not from the oligarchs. hi
  5. d750dy
    d750dy April 29 2015 06: 25
    +14
    People of retirement age are able to assess their work capacity on their own. Grandmothers sit with their grandchildren and make gifts to their daughters-in-law, grandfathers build and repair something for the benefit of the same children and grandchildren. They work in low-paid jobs. Life-burners do not live long - this is also known. CONCLUSION: Draconian pension reform is essentially a time bomb, the authors are well aware of what they are doing!
  6. EvgNik
    EvgNik April 29 2015 06: 28
    +13
    "" poses a threat to the national security of Russia ""

    I absolutely agree with this. As well as the fact that the replacement of the concept of "old age" by "age" is a time bomb for the entire population. We have already changed a lot since the days of the USSR. And not for the better. Then the institutes worked to develop scientifically based standards. And now the official will scratch his turnip: shouldn't we do this? And can it change? And the job is ready - the law is adopted.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 29 2015 06: 30
    +3
    I especially liked the author's passage about the death of STURGEON fishes immediately after spawning. The author is unaware that these are salmon fish, and sturgeons spawn for themselves, year after year. Pension is not only an economic but also a moral category. Pension contributions are a tax that, in our crafty system, is paid not by a citizen, but by an employer! But this is a tax that goes to the KAZNU, as well as to the pension funds, which have been dashing in recent years with considerable resources that have come to them. Our tax authorities are afraid of giving the payment of taxes to the citizens, rightly believing that the collection rate will fall. And people are not inclined (for the most part) to think about the future and create their own personal pension funds. And centralized pension funds are too "tidbit" for the banking system, and not very clean "financiers".
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K April 29 2015 07: 09
      +6
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Pension contributions are a tax that, in our crafty system, is paid not by a citizen, but by an employer!

      Pension contributions are not a tax. So you can agree that the payment on the loan is also a tax. And the tax office has nothing to do with it. It's just that if pension contributions are given to citizens, then most of the citizens of Russia will soon find themselves without a pension at all. our citizens never want to postpone anything, and sometimes they cannot.
      Banks and the Ministry of Finance are another matter. They should add interest to our pension contributions, because use our money. Second. If a citizen did not live to retire or the pensioner died early, then the remaining unspent pension contributions should be inherited by relatives. The state is robbing us.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL April 29 2015 08: 43
        +1
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Banks and the Ministry of Finance are another matter. They should add interest to our pension contributions, because use our money. Second. If a citizen did not live to retire or the pensioner died early, then the remaining unspent pension contributions should be inherited by relatives.

        Private pension funds do just that.
      2. Svetlana
        Svetlana April 29 2015 10: 53
        +2
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Pension contributions are not a tax. So you can agree that the payment of the loan is also a tax.

        Pension contributions are called "contributions", but their essence is the same as for taxes. They must be paid - there will be fines, for delays - penalties. You cannot refuse them. You can take a loan, you can not take it, and all employers must pay pension contributions. So, what's the difference what they are called - taxes and fees - they are the same in essence. The state is robbing us, it is clear, grabbing a lot of money from employers now, promising future retirees a paradise life, but will everyone live until the time when this money is in demand and will this money be saved by the time of retirement of the people from whose salaries these deductions are made? Most likely no. This money is spent in real time.
        1. bannik
          bannik April 29 2015 12: 22
          0
          So, after all, deductions are made from the employee's salary, i.e. on the part of the surplus value that he creates for the employer? In my opinion taxes and contributions (deductions) are TWO BIG differences.
      3. atalef
        atalef April 29 2015 12: 44
        +6
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Pension contributions are not a tax.

        And then what ?
        If the state has the right to simply confiscate them?
        Quote: Алексей_К
        So you can agree that the payment on the loan is also a tax.

        No, taking a loan - you bought the product and it is available, in relation to pension - no one knows if they will receive what they paid for
        Quote: Алексей_К
        ... It's just that if pension contributions are given to citizens, then most of the citizens of Russia will soon find themselves without a pension at all.

        What does it mean to give?
        Quote: Алексей_К
        They should add interest to our pension contributions, because use our money

        In general, all over the world, pension funds are engaged in this and the state has no access to this money - but let the Ministry of Finance manage it, in a year there will be nothing left
        Quote: Алексей_К
        If a citizen did not live to retire or the pensioner died early, then the remaining unspent pension contributions should be inherited by relatives

        So it is, all over the world, we have 50% of the pension of the deceased spouse continues to receive the widow (or vice versa), why 50% of the personal contributions are 30%, 70% is an enterprise for which the state gives exemption from taxes.
    2. satris
      satris April 29 2015 11: 44
      0
      It’s strange, actually: funded, insurance ... And what would be done like this: a person went to work - and together with a work book (although they are going to cancel it) he is given a savings pension. And he has the right to withdraw money from her only after he turns 60 - for men, and 55 - for women. You can even limit your monthly payments so that some people don't withdraw everything at once. And you can not limit - basically at this age people have already learned to count money. And what is the result? Banks are happy: well, the "shoulder" of long money in 40 years - you can only dream of that. In case of death, the heirs receive the remainder - here's justice for those who work. As for disability pensions, etc. - there are insurance contributions and insurance funds for this, including compulsory insurance. Why not do it like this? After all, in fact, half of the FIU employees will not be needed. And it is already easier for the state to deal with banks. And it turns out that the bank interest is still higher in banks than in all these pension funds, be it state or non-state.
  8. Bronik
    Bronik April 29 2015 06: 30
    +4
    The experiment on humans will begin with deputies and officials. Well, well ..
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K April 29 2015 07: 14
      +2
      Quote: bronik
      The experiment on humans will begin with deputies and officials. Well, well ..

      I agree with you. In addition, they need to accrue a pension like ordinary citizens, that is, a small one. And then they arranged for themselves special state pensions of increased size, several times larger than those of ordinary citizens.
      1. bannik
        bannik April 29 2015 12: 32
        0
        Yes, but their contributions to the pension fund seem to be limited to some extent. Or I'm wrong?
  9. base66
    base66 April 29 2015 06: 31
    +11
    The Ministry of Internal Affairs and the military go to retire much earlier, and why are they that all walk under bullets 90% of them rub their pants around the offices, but no traffic cop with a stick, the sergeant major from the locker after 15 years earned a pension and the steelworker still plows so much. I understand why the Duma deputies are I would not want a pension from such a salary, but they would not have left for 25-30 thousand, but physically and in the cold, and then with all the sores to retire in 8-10 thousand, they would sing!
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K April 29 2015 07: 27
      +4
      Quote: basy66
      The Ministry of Internal Affairs and the military go to retire much earlier, but why are they all walking under bullets 90% of them rub their pants around the offices, but no, a traffic cop with a stick, the foreman from the locker earned a pension after 15 years

      Do not offend the military and doctors. They are the first to go to the bullets. And their service is such that when I was offered to stay in the army longer, I said: No, look for fools, although my salary, as an officer, was several times higher than in civilian life. Well, as for the doctors, I will say this. Go learn to be a doctor, dig into your stomachs and intestines, or sit and run a therapist around sick people every day (for flu and infectious patients) and stay healthy, then say that the retirement age is small.
      Most recently, the country was almost left without military and medical personnel. Do you want to give Russia to America for free?
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL April 29 2015 08: 55
        0
        Quote: Алексей_К
        [Go learn to be a doctor, dig in your stomachs and intestines, or sit and run a therapist for sick every day (for flu, and infectious patients) and stay healthy, then say that the retirement age is small.

        scientific and medical fact: cancer is a non-communicable disease, the result of failures of the immune system and metabolic processes at the cellular level (or maybe not - minus signers - you are welcome! ...); but oncologists, according to statistics, are much more likely to get cancer: what they are treating is what they get sick from!
        true for all physicians! bioenergy-s ...
        1. satris
          satris April 29 2015 12: 13
          +1
          Or maybe not the fact that it is not contagious?
      2. sunzhenets
        sunzhenets April 29 2015 11: 54
        0
        And the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in your opinion, just give this pension? Have you tried to work in the criminal investigation department? Irregular working day (until we solve the murder, we don't go home), tuberculosis patients, one day off a week - and that's good ...
        In someone else's hand, x_ren is always thicker.
      3. atalef
        atalef April 29 2015 12: 46
        +5
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Do not offend the military and doctors. They are the first to go to the bullets.

        Well, are they still going straight?
        Probably, we have such an inequality that combat units go at 45 years old, auxiliary at 50 years, rear at 55.
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Go learn to be a doctor, dig deeper into your stomachs and intestines, or sit and run a therapist around sick people every day (for flu, and infectious patients) and stay healthy, then say that the retirement age is small

        Of course, it’s easier for a miner, steelmaker, and flusher.
    2. Hyperboreas
      Hyperboreas April 29 2015 07: 33
      0
      And who prevented you from becoming a traffic cop with a cane or a senior from the locker? The right to retirement for people in uniform begins when the total length of service reaches 20 years, after 20 it only grows. General length of service means calendar + preferential. So how and where you served and you will retire.
      1. stolz
        stolz April 29 2015 10: 19
        +1
        That's right - each person is a blacksmith of his own destiny, so take a hammer and strike it, but in the end it turns out that Caesar is Caesar's, and locksmith's is a locksmith. and there is nothing to envy, those who have managed, achieved what is inaccessible to others.
        1. bannik
          bannik April 29 2015 12: 36
          +4
          And the example of Mrs. Vasilyeva is a confirmation of this!
      2. zyablik.olga
        zyablik.olga April 30 2015 03: 39
        +2
        Quote: Hyperborea
        And who prevented you from becoming a traffic cop with a wand or an elder from a captive?

        And you didn’t think about who then would feed you all the traffic cops and captors collecting money on the roads? After all, you do not produce any material goods.
  10. Hleb
    Hleb April 29 2015 06: 33
    +1
    By the way, who will explain what the topic of transferring the funded part to NPF is? Is it worth it?
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL April 29 2015 08: 59
      +1
      Quote: Gleb
      By the way, who will explain what the topic of transferring the funded part to NPF is? Is it worth it?

      You put money in NPF - like in a bank account; money "works", there is interest; there are restrictions on lump sum payments - it is not profitable to remove everything at once, but - you can ... you can transfer to the state pension fund ... inherit, donate, and te te ... In short, it depends on who runs the fund - the "bank" may burst!
      Investment fund option ...
  11. pts-m
    pts-m April 29 2015 06: 37
    +5
    for the tops of those sitting on the money, the citizens of Russia represent the term "unit". These gentlemen apparently poorly understand that without such "units" the state does not exist!
  12. exalex
    exalex April 29 2015 06: 38
    +8
    "Pension funds frozen in 2014-2015 will not be returned to the pension system. This was stated by Deputy Prime Minister Olga Golodets. Roughly speaking, future pensioners financed the government's mistakes in implementing the pension reform."
    http://ktovkurse.com/save/pensionery-bez-pensij-pravitelstvo-dengi-ne-vernet
    “There was an original agreement in principle between the government and the NPF: the funds will be able to return the chained savings for 2013 if they invest them in the securities of banks that flew under the sanctions. The corresponding bill is now being considered by the State Duma.
    http://www.2news.com.ua/poslednie-novosti/37163-pensii-ne-vernut-poka-ne-spasut-

    banki.html
    ______________________________________________________________
    Why think about retirement. Before it is still necessary to finalize, to begin with, and if you're lucky, then still live. The government will make every effort to prevent this from happening. ))) Relax ..
  13. 205577
    205577 April 29 2015 06: 45
    +1
    The whole article is a plus. Although the arguments about "sane" people in the first paragraph are simply lovely, they betray a woman in the author. The selection criterion is simply pleasing - whoever supports my point of view is sane, who does not - well, he is not.
    In general, all sorts of talk about gender inequality infuriated me before, now they only make me condescendingly smile.
    Our dear women, where is even more "equal rights" for you? You have ruled this world for a long time. Only a female individual who is not a woman can talk about the lack of rights.
    A woman in Russia is always more than an equal partner of a man. A woman does not wash in such a way, but advances her point of view.
    But for this a woman must be a Woman! She needs to have a family, children, give herself to her family. Then she will have her own mini-state with certain rights and responsibilities, and she does not care about talk about "discrimination", she knows that this is not true.
    And it’s a completely different matter when a woman devotes herself not to the family, but to something else. This something has essentially one definition - indulging your whims.
    "Equality" as a woman is when a woman does whatever she wants and does not bear any responsibility.
    So I did not understand, we are starting an article on inequality, i.e. we mean that we are fighting for equality, and immediately accepts the axiom that when women retire, they are 5 years younger, where is the logic, where is the mind?
    And judging by the principles of justice, women live longer than men, maybe retire later?
    What article I perfectly understood, but here the initial data for it is something.
    Ready to hear about male chauvinism, there is only one BUT! My wife for me is a Woman, she has proved my love and deepest respect thousands of times. And she does not need any kind of ephemeral rights, she has real ones above her head.
    But to love and respect something drunk, with a cigarette and under the spice, just for the fact that it may someday fly and become a mother - no, thank you.
    1. lidiy
      lidiy April 29 2015 14: 51
      +1
      The article is not about who is more important: a man or a woman. An article that the government wants to take away one more social right from us. Instead of rebuilding industry and improving the welfare of citizens, the government is taking the easiest route by curtailing our rights. We, as citizens of one country, should not sort things out with who has more rights: men or women, but act as a united front against such government initiatives.
  14. Loner_53
    Loner_53 April 29 2015 06: 48
    +5
    Thus, V.I. Matvienko and A.G. Siluanov sit "in the same liberal boat" and in fact, by and large, row in the same direction - in the interests of the world financial capital of the bankers-usurers of the US Federal Reserve and "Co." on the territory of the Russian Federation in pension matters

    And if you think about what these gentlemen are doing in our country? They grow fat, rob people and think how to make life worse for the same people. Maybe it's time to drive them, drive them to their native State Department angry
  15. shurup
    shurup April 29 2015 06: 52
    +2
    The author, like Matvienko, pulls the blanket over himself, but agrees that it is impossible to cut everyone with the same brush. And this is the "age" for different professions is different.
    There are also "health reasons" and "seniority".
  16. Savai
    Savai April 29 2015 06: 55
    +3
    A threat to the national security of Russia is posed by all those who try by any means to strike another blow at the working class, those who, with their real physical labor, are reviving Mother Russia.
  17. mamont5
    mamont5 April 29 2015 06: 56
    -3
    “Why should the term“ old-age pension ”categorically not be changed to the term“ old-age pension ”?

    The fact is that the term "old-age pension" is a reference (like the cornerstone of a building) and an unambiguous concept for building a socially just society in general and the entire pension system in the country in particular. It is the term "old-age pension" that is the basic term for counting all other types of early pensions derived from it. "

    Complete nonsense. But what about the pensioners themselves, who still do not consider themselves old. The same can be said about the "survival age".
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL April 29 2015 09: 05
      +1
      nota bene: There is no socially just state! This is nonsense!
      But it is necessary to strive for it ...
      Free quote from Lem: “Everyone knows that dragons do not exist.
      But such a primitive statement of fact may satisfy some simpleton, but not a serious scientist!
      Dragons are of three types: null, negative, and imaginary. And each type does not exist in its own particular way ... "
    2. lidiy
      lidiy April 29 2015 12: 00
      0
      "What about the pensioners themselves, who still do not consider themselves old."
      We can consider ourselves anyone. Many people at 70 say: in my heart I feel like a twenty, but this does not mean that he can actually do the job of a twenty.
      There must be a clear policy at the state level. It is written in precise phrases. Otherwise, it will be like a proverb: the law is that the drawbar, where you turn, it went there.
  18. 3axap
    3axap April 29 2015 07: 00
    +10
    Here I am retired, but with a stack of pensions and with such prices, I have to work. The same is with my wife. All these conversations and suggestions may benefit the state, but not as not to the benefit of the people. Here they are, though to introduce a law on parasitism Everything seems to be correct. Who does not work, he does not eat. Only the deputies want to ask: Where will people get a job? Do we have where to work? hi The deputies are so divorced from the real life in Russia that apart from Moscow and their beautiful estates, they do not see a devil of anything.In regional cities, the entire food industry associated with the processing and storage of agricultural products produced and grown in the region is ditched. - it is destroyed. I do not have them in the city: the regional consumer union, the regional food processing plant, the dairy plant, the fruit and vegetable base, the harvesting grain - these enterprises not only do not exist, they do not exist at all, they are destroyed. hi And it seems to me that I vaguely assume that my favorite city in Russia is not the only one. hi
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 April 29 2015 07: 30
      +5
      Quote: 3axap
      I don’t have them in the city: a district consumer union, a district food factory, a dairy plant, a fruit and vegetable base, and a zagotzernoye - these enterprises are not simply absent, they are not destroyed at all. hi And it seems to me, I vaguely guess that in Russia my favorite city is not the only one. hi

      I support Stopudovo. The situation is similar in my city of childhood. Previously, in the city of 2 there were a machine-building factory, a leather factory, a glove, a sewing and a bunch of other enterprises, maybe small by the standards of the country, but people worked for them, everyone was busy. And now where are the buildings shopping centers remained there. When I am at home on vacation, I am constantly surprised that people live under a hundred thousand shopping centers almost like a millionaire. And the most amazing thing is that they trade, they don’t go broke. So people take money from somewhere to buy.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL April 29 2015 09: 18
        -4
        and where are the products of these plants and factories? is it gathering dust in warehouses, like an illiquid one, or has it completely rotted away? ...
        You can dig from the fence to lunch! but products that are competitive and liquid will not be ...
      2. lidiy
        lidiy April 29 2015 12: 19
        +2
        The other day Medvedev reported to the State Duma on the work done. The author of the article asks a question:

        "Where is the concrete practical result of public administration? Let us remind you that the government is the executive, not the legislative branch. But not a word about the plans for the reporting period that the Government should have FULFILLED. And it is clear why - because they are not just not fulfilled, they failed. If Medvedev had told what and how much they failed, the last phrase would have to be unambiguous - resignation! "
        http://politobzor.net/show-51849-otchet-predsedatelya-pravitelstva-chto-eto-bylo
        .html
      3. satris
        satris April 29 2015 12: 26
        +1
        I don’t know about you, but here in the Belgorod region and in regional centers new enterprises are being built or are being recreated: they started with broiler factories, now pig farms are developing and cattle farms. And hence the feed - agriculture went up - and processing: Alekseevskie sausages, Volokonovskoe condensed milk, Tomarovskoe butter - I even ate it on an Aeroflot plane. This means that your local authorities are not working - what else can I say.
    2. anip
      anip April 29 2015 09: 02
      +5
      Quote: 3axap
      Where will people go to work? Do we have where to work?

      There is work. Only for what salary ...

      Quote: 3axap
      Here they are though to introduce a law on parasitism.

      So they want to introduce it in order to make the people work for a bowl of soup, make slaves out of people. They will adopt this law, and the salaries at those enterprises where they are more or less, will begin to be cut, here you don't even need to go to a fortune teller.
    3. CONTROL
      CONTROL April 29 2015 09: 14
      -4
      Quote: 3axap
      Where will people go to work? Do we have where to work? ...
      In regional cities, the entire food industry associated with the processing and storage of agricultural products produced and grown in the region is ditched. And this is putting it mildly, it is destroyed. I don't have them in the city: the regional consumer union, the regional food processing plant, the dairy plant, the fruit and vegetable base, the harvesting of these enterprises not just not, there are none at all, destroyed. hi

      Why not go there and work - to avoid being "caught" for parasitism? Or - there is no need to build roads - after all, we have them already excellent ... and everywhere we have them! ... And residential buildings - each has two - no, three! - apartments per soul ...
      Work in the country is endless! but - I want to sit in the office, press the keys ...
      1. 3axap
        3axap April 29 2015 20: 56
        0
        Quote: CONTROL
        Quote: 3axap
        Where will people go to work? Do we have where to work? ...
        In regional cities, the entire food industry associated with the processing and storage of agricultural products produced and grown in the region is ditched. And this is putting it mildly, it is destroyed. I don't have them in the city: the regional consumer union, the regional food processing plant, the dairy plant, the fruit and vegetable base, the harvesting of these enterprises not just not, there are none at all, destroyed. hi

        Why not go there and work - to avoid being "caught" for parasitism? Or - there is no need to build roads - after all, we have them already excellent ... and everywhere we have them! ... And residential buildings - each has two - no, three! - apartments per soul ...
        Work in the country is endless! but - I want to sit in the office, press the keys ...

        So I kind of wrote in a comment that they were destroyed. On the site of the Dairy, they built a HyperMagnet. And so on ... hi Just read the comments vtenemno. And ludi work, those who want to work. And who does not want, he drinks blue and borrows money is not clear for what. hi
  19. veksha50
    veksha50 April 29 2015 07: 01
    +4
    "irresponsible tries on the part of those in power to manipulate public consciousness in favor of prolonging monetarist, liberal reforms for many years ahead in Russia"...

    I completely agree with the author ...
    In general, it seems to me that slowly, every year, Russia is moving away from the basic constitutional concepts and postulates that characterize it as a social state ...
    And, unfortunately, this is confirmed by many factors that you yourself all know ...
    Medicine and education, as social institutions, are in the corral ...
    The right to work sounds simply ridiculous for residents of small towns ... And now the fat, but dumb boyars are trying to return responsibility for parasitism ... Who will think about the head ??? There is simply NO work for many in the provinces !!!

    We have a big problem, demographic and ideological in the state ... And they are trying to aggravate it by raising the retirement age for women (I'm not talking about men) ... Boyars, what, they just want to ditch the whole people ??? That is, today, for their boyar age, there are enough slaves, and then - at least the grass does not grow ???

    Actually, this article evokes a storm of negative emotions, winding up additional negative reflections on the fact that there is no need for external enemies when there is an internal enemy ...
    1. lidiy
      lidiy April 29 2015 12: 22
      +2
      Our government is not devoid of a sense of humor. The impression is that just by the year 17 they want to deprive us of all the gains of the revolution.
  20. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 29 2015 07: 02
    +5
    Quote: astronom1973n
    Here's how to increase the retirement age - yes, ready! Hooray! Beneficial for the budget !!!

    ... Well, the next step will be in the style of the late Turkmenbashi, "we will abolish the pension as a relic of the totalitarian regime vooooosche" ... otherwise "Kurvshavel" is expensive today ...
  21. koksalek
    koksalek April 29 2015 07: 15
    +2
    Another attempt by high bureaucrats to squeeze money from the population by raising the bar. They do not seem to be capable of something else, or they deliberately drive the situation into the explosive stage. Well, what can I say, another attempt to create a situation of dissatisfaction with the authorities, who benefits from it
  22. Captain45
    Captain45 April 29 2015 07: 23
    +3
    The article is interesting, but it is written somewhat, let's say, philosophically with numerous uses of the terms "relativistic, Machiavellianism" and so on, but it should be simpler, like in Igor Guberman:
    Russians live and wait
    Catching the slightest sign
    Understanding that on ..... t,
    but not knowing when and how. (with)laughing
    To admins - a swear word is not mine, you can consult the collection "Gariki from Jerusalem"
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL April 29 2015 09: 21
      -3
      Igor Guberman - female h.id.w.s.s.k. and yernik!
  23. Stinger
    Stinger April 29 2015 07: 24
    +7
    The article is long, but the essence is short. When there are 2-3 years left before the change of government with the re-election of the President, a proposal periodically arises to increase the retirement period by the same number of years. It is clear that after the same number of years, the system will return to its original state and the problem of providing pensions will arise again. But already before another cabinet of ministers, and the authors of these ideas (Mitnfin) hopes to live the rest of the term in peace. That's the whole "high" theory. Or has anyone heard from the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Economic Development proposals on how to raise production in the country? Only statement of facts and accounting.
  24. feniks
    feniks April 29 2015 07: 36
    +11
    As long as the gangster-capitalist system exists, talking about pension reform is meaningless. Only socialism is able to protect pensioners.
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth April 29 2015 08: 51
      +1
      Quote: feniks
      As long as the gangster-capitalist system exists, talking about pension reform is meaningless. Only socialism is able to protect pensioners.

      No, we need a conversation. "Silent means consent". This is how the authorities will understand.
      The author's assertion that it is necessary to keep the definition of "old age" is highly controversial. The English have a saying, something like "a man is as old as he thinks of himself." The fact is that retirement should not be associated with infirmity, but with the fact that everyone should have the right to a well-deserved decent pension. The authorities' desire to solve economic problems at the expense of "unnecessary unnecessary screws in the state" has nothing to do with either the management of the economy or even with demography. It is connected, as you have noticed, with the social system. Neighboring Kazakhstan has a remarkable official demography compared to Russia. Nevertheless, the retirement age has already been raised there (since the 90s, I see an almost parallel drifting of laws in Russia and Kazakhstan). The problem is morally and socially. Another confirmation of this is the desire to equalize the "rights" of men and women.
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  26. bubla5
    bubla5 April 29 2015 08: 10
    +4
    This is how the liberals at the head of Pu want to increase the retirement age, climb straight out of their skin, it is one thing to wipe the chair with the rotten ass of a deputy and officials at least until 80 years old, and another thing to work at school, at a machine, on a tractor or hazardous production up to 55, this is a very big difference that one speaks his tongue all his life without having brains, and the other with his hands and feet
    1. anip
      anip April 29 2015 09: 00
      +2
      Quote: bubla5
      with the other hands and feet

      Forgot to add one word "and head (brains)"
  27. Decathlon
    Decathlon April 29 2015 08: 12
    +4
    "and it is even uncomfortable for a woman to show that she has retired because of her old age."
    Valentina Ivanovna Matvienko (maiden name Tyutin; April 7, 1949, Baba Valya, I beg you! feel
  28. I am a Russian
    I am a Russian April 29 2015 08: 14
    +3
    "For her, all real people look the same -"

    I would say a crowd. And in another way, officials do not look at the people.
  29. Million
    Million April 29 2015 08: 35
    +3
    I would like these "kind people" not to live to see their retirement
  30. Alexey Boukin
    Alexey Boukin April 29 2015 08: 46
    +4
    Quote: EvgNik
    And now the official will scratch his turnip: shouldn't we do this? And can it change? And the case is ready - the law is adopted.

    I read your comment, and the image of Medvedev and Dvorkovich involuntarily pops up before my eyes ...
  31. anip
    anip April 29 2015 08: 59
    +3
    Does the Russian government plan to rule the country for social justice? The Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation is definitely not!

    So does the government.
  32. fridge
    fridge April 29 2015 09: 32
    +2
    Such posters about injustice should be everywhere. How many different trash and from outside and inside to the working people sucked.
    1. lidiy
      lidiy April 29 2015 12: 27
      0
      For some reason, even in the film "President" there was a story about the Butovo training ground. Why was he there?
  33. mabuta
    mabuta April 29 2015 09: 34
    0
    Somewhere it was: pension contributions must be taken from children. Here, the issue of population growth and children’s home kids would be solved.
  34. fomkin
    fomkin April 29 2015 09: 58
    0
    Like a summary to the above.
  35. TAXR
    TAXR April 29 2015 10: 42
    +2
    Quote: mabuta
    Somewhere it was: pension contributions must be taken from children. Here, the issue of population growth and children’s home kids would be solved.

    Uh-huh, it's time to resolve the issue of cleansing the population completely. So it will be, it will be resolved. And Valyukha "half a glass", together with the former fiery coma, is again in business and in the "skirmishers" of any idea released from the top. wassat
  36. Leader
    Leader April 29 2015 11: 11
    +1
    Quote: feniks
    As long as the gangster-capitalist system exists, talking about pension reform is meaningless. Only socialism is able to protect pensioners.

    Long live the revolution!
    Death to the bourgeoisie!
    I missed ... l the conquest of my grandfathers. Next time - I will crush the counter-revolution harshly, to the end.
    And traitors from among the admirers of "European values" - shoot on the spot.
  37. 34 region
    34 region April 29 2015 12: 05
    +3
    Why is there a question of raising the retirement age, but not a question of improving health care and improving working conditions? What about the age limit for employment? Old to work, young to retire. How to be here? Go to crime and then go to jail for social security? It remains the only way. Here the clock was set for an hour, so the stench was hard for the body. And people work on a rolling schedule and it is useful for them !? They shouted, we have a lot of holidays! But on holidays, the management team mostly rests. The rest of these holidays and do not notice. Why not make a 6-7 hour shift? After all, today they often work more than 8 hours. Officially, of course, 8 (but the monthly salary looks more solid). Here people already in 40-50 years already have pressure, varicose veins, deafness, decreased vision. In comparison with the Soviet period, the intensity of labor has increased. In many factories, the work has become like the plantations of slave owners with overseers.
  38. bubla5
    bubla5 April 29 2015 12: 23
    +3
    Where to get the money. Well, Russia is not lucky for the tsars and leaders, Khakassia and the Far East need to be restored, so no need to tear the shirt on the chest and send and continue to send several boards with cargo to the affected Nepal. And now the question is, well, why nobody helps us, so we will be good-natured all our lives, forgive everyone's debts, and tighten the screws to the population. Or are we stupid people?
  39. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n April 29 2015 12: 26
    +5
    Quote: Hyperborea
    Just don't talk about the hard life of a simple hard worker! If a person looks after himself, then he will look good at any job. And the news does not follow, then the office of an official will not help, obesity is a direct path to the next world

    You yourself work at the enterprise in the shop where welding works, dig deeper at the metallurgical furnace, but it’s not bad in the paint brushes either ... Then you can talk about something. people keep the state! Yes .. and after changing at the machine (stove, etc.) I would have looked at you cheerfully engaged in the fitness room!
  40. 31rus
    31rus April 29 2015 14: 58
    +4
    Dear, I will say one thing, my mother has worked for 41 years, from a railway worker to a nurse, has a pension of 8000 rubles, which is barely enough for life, not to mention some kind of treatment, I think we are waiting for something worse, you can survive (yourself or with the help of children or in another way), then you will exist, but there is no court and there is no court, and as for any deposits, deductions, accounts, the crisis showed that with our government this is a big deception