He lived and will live

Izhevsk Machine Building OJSC develops fifth-generation Kalashnikov assault rifles at the request of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
The Russian military department has formulated new requirements for the characteristics of the models of small arms required by the army in modern conditions. Company management before designweapons By the end of 2011 the center has set the task to proactively develop prototypes of products for these requirements in accordance with the best world standards. In the new fifth generation, the performance characteristics and ergonomics should be significantly improved, and the reliability of the AK should be maintained. In 2012, it is necessary to prepare them for participation in state trials, according to the results of which Izhmash expects to receive a positive opinion and return to supplies to the Russian army.

In response to statements by a number of media outlets on the withdrawal of Kalashnikov’s assault rifle in connection with the refusal of the Russian Ministry of Defense to purchase this type of weapon, the enterprise’s press service stated the following: “Izhmash is the only developer and manufacturer of the automatic weapons system of M. T. Kalashnikov and manufactured on its basis a wide range of civilian weapons. Kalashnikov assault rifle today - the most common, most reliable small arms in the world. At present, the plant produces fourth-generation AK assault rifles of the 100 series, which, under the order of the power structures and special forces of the Russian Federation, is fulfilling large-scale contracts for military-technical cooperation. An extensive portfolio of orders has been formed in the field of civil, hunting and sporting weapons. ”

The report notes that Izhmash constantly carries out work to modernize and update the characteristics of the weapons produced. The AK-74 machine gun, which became the next modification of the AK family, was put into service in the 1974 year and was produced for the needs of the army before the 1991. In 1991, the modification of AK-74М was adopted. Currently, it is the main sample of small arms in the Russian army. In the course of further work on improving it on Izhmash, the “hundredth” series of Kalashnikov assault rifles was developed and put into service in 2001. Today, these samples are made by Izhevsk Machinery for the security forces of the Russian Federation, and are also the main ones for deliveries through the VTS line.

Comments

[zczczc]

We have not yet developed a new model, we have not concluded a supply contract with the Moscow Region, but we are already sure that everything will be fine. How many upscale factories have ruined in recent years.

Let's hope!

[BOSS]

I am sure that the machine will be what you need!

[raf]

Not long ago, according to the zombie man, they showed how some clowns arranged a farewell to AK. I was very sorry that I did not have their phone to tell them that Kalash would outlive them both! But survive, how to drink will survive!

[Vadivak]

What a pity that Kalashnikov was not born a car designer.

[Ivan Tarasov]

It is interesting to hear the opinion of a specialist regarding the accuracy of the new assault rifle of the 100 series of caliber 7.62
Is he inferior in accuracy to the AK-74 assault rifle (5.45)?
If, nevertheless, it was possible to improve the accuracy of the AK-103 (at least to the level of AK-74), then a caliber of 7.62 is preferable.

[Mr. Truth]

The 7.62M43 cartridge has very limited modernization options, the accuracy of the AK103 is higher due to the compensator brake of a similar AK-74, but does not hold out, the return is too high.

[kekse]

Where to look at the AK-103?

[Ivan Tarasov]

The photo above is presented.

[APASUS]

Another Kalashnikov was not born here !!!
What automatic machines will not be produced in the new Russia, it will still be, to one degree or another, the modernization of the old, reliable AK.

Another Kalashnikov was not born here !!!
What automatic machines will not be produced in the new Russia, it will still be, to one degree or another, the modernization of the old, reliable AK.

[APASUS]

Another Kalashnikov was not born with us!
What automatic machines will not be produced in modern Russia, it will still be the modernization, to one degree or another, of the old, reliable AK-47!

[German]

very correct thought !!!

[Tyumen]

If the design is perfect, it remains for a long time, without prejudice to self-esteem

[mind1954]

Why does this gang of bazaar bastards from MO allow
imagine all these statements statements and other boorish
chatter. If you want to get something new,
give money for a new development, conclude a contract,
attract more people who wish, if there are more.
And test with foreign samples.
On the smelly M-16 for so many years, how much money is swollen!?
Boors from the KHOLUI AUTHORITY of thieves and traitors,
so lost their human appearance that they
can’t communicate normally. (These scumbags even
on TV they rush at each other, like on a gangster
raspberries).

[sirToad]

what to suffer from? ah, it’s been produced for so many years, ah is morally obsolete .... and what kind of machine gun does it cost on Amer’s Beters? Browning sample 1918goda! Well modified and what? something no one squeals that he is morally obsolete?

[ereke]

I will say more, on all South African airplanes and combat helicopters there is an automatic calla gun. 20 mm. Which is a deep modernization of the German gun of the same caliber arr. 1918 (i.e. the times of the first World War))

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Can you tell us more about this "miracle weapon"?
And then according to my foolish reference books and books, it turns out that the Germans developed their own MG-FF and MG-151 air cannons in 1934-1937. And before that, the rams were treated with machine guns alone. And the first guns on the Me-109 appeared only on the E-1 version, and before that there were B-1, B-2 with two machine guns and C with four. 1938 year, by the way.

So this was a gun, and why, despite its presence, until the 1939, the Germans did not put it on their planes. And how did she get to South Africa? Not to mention the fact that in those countries and South Africa something was not ...

[ereke]

Read "Foreign Military Review" for 1987. topic: Military industry of South Africa. You can download the numbers on different resources. Just dial the tags - Foreign Military Review download and you can download the magazine issues for 1987 for free (archive)

[ereke]

To the account And how did she get into South Africa? Not to mention the fact that in those cities and South Africa it wasn’t ... Then there was the Union of South Africa and it was a member of the British Commonwealth, South Africans, along with Australian New Zealand and Indian units, fought in the north. Africa in 1940-43 against the Italians and Rommel, as well as in Sicily and Italy in the 44-45 years, so the German trophies, the South African units brought a lot, including the above-mentioned guns installed at different bases from armored vehicles to tanks and aircraft))

[PSih2097]

So this was a gun, and why, despite its presence, until the 1939, the Germans did not put it on their planes. And how did she get to South Africa? Not to mention the fact that in those countries and South Africa something was not ...

2 cm. Ehrhardt FlzK gun (Flugzeugkanone, German: air gun) was manufactured by Rheinmetall. The gun was created based on the 1912 Dreyse gun. Ehrhardt weighed 36 kg. length 150 cm., barrel length 101 cm. Rate of fire 250-300 rounds per min. Stores 15, or 10 shots. A total of 51 copies were produced, but they entered the army only at the end of the war. After the war, in 1929, the gun was manufactured in Switzerland by Solothurn, a subsidiary of Rheinmetall. Ehrhardt FlzK became the basis for subsequent developments, for example FlaK 30 AA, used in the Second World War.
Well, here in English: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/cannon_pioneers.htm

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Thanks for the information.
That's what dug: http://wwi.hut2.ru/art/aviac/german.htm in Russian, English, alas ..

It turns out that this product, though produced, was not really installed anywhere.
"After the war, 362 Becker guns remained in service with the German army. In 1921, the license for the production of the gun was transferred to the Swiss company SEMAG. In 1924, the rights to manufacture the gun were transferred to another Swiss company, Oerlikon. The company continued to improve the design of the gun, releasing it under the name Oerlikon L. "

That is, how IT could get to Africa, on which plane, again it is not clear. Oerlikon, yes, it was like that, but the Germans didn’t put it on the planes, it was in abundance of good.

And here is the "ZVO" for 1987: The 20-mm automatic cannon GA 1, developed on the basis of a comprehensive modernization of the German MG 151/20 cannon during the First World War, deserves a mention

Well then, where does "Erhard" have to do with it? MG 151/20 is, sorry, "Mauser", developed precisely in 1934-36. And he, I agree, could have been brought to South Africa as a trophy from Libya or Tunisia. I agree with this entirely. But not the Erhard dinosaur you mentioned. And in the "ZVO" in the article they messed up.

[ereke]

No, everything is written correctly in the ZVO, just some here in kammenty went into the forest and there were a lot of firewood. I did not say that this gun was originally an aircraft. The Germans at the end of World War I began to produce anti-tank guns with a caliber of 20 mm. (Mauser company) the caliber was sufficient to penetrate all types of tanks of that time. (which the Entente divorced in large quantities by the end of the war)

And in the aviation of that time (airplanes) machine guns were used as standard armament (although tsarist Russia made attempts to install cannons on a heavy Ilya Muromets aircraft, but these experiments remained experiments and did not go further)

Then the Germans chose 20 caliber caliber as a standard in the 30s and developed a series of cannons for this caliber from aircraft, anti-aircraft, to tank. And the Germans used the guns of the times of the First World War in Africa but on different carriers of weapons (I don’t know, I never heard whether the guns were used on their planes or not)))

[ereke]

Mauser developed his new samples in the 30s on the basis of the previous ones, they again had experience with the first world small-caliber artillery, in the 20s new guns were not created in Germany itself, the Treaty of Versailles interfered, the Germans took new models and a caliber from World War I))

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: ereke

I did not say that initially this gun was aviation.

That is, in South Africa put on aircraft and helicopters an anti-gun gun 1912 model year? Then they just went crazy there ...

Let's really see to the end.
Agree, there is a huge difference between the air gun, anti-aircraft gun and anti-tank gun.
There is / was a 20-mm Dreyse Erhard cannon. Yes, it was invented in 1912, Erhard upgraded it in 1918 and released it in Switzerland. What is clear in the light of the Versailles Treaty. This is clear.

But in the "ZVO" it is clearly written about the MG-151, which could not take part in World War I in any way, since the development began only in 1. And nowhere is there any information that it is a modification of the Draize cannon. But there is other information that on the basis of the Draize cannon, bandura of the Flak-1934 type were made. Which were hung on the "Stuka" as a PTO. 18 and 30 mm. The same heavy and slow-firing coffins. And with the same tiny (37 or 10 shells) shop. And 151 had tape nutrition. On 60 or 100 shells. Feel, as they say, the difference.

That is why the Germans did not rush to put this shit on the Messers. Although it appears to have been still in production. And they waited for the release of their more perfect gun. That is why in South Africa they ripped up MG-151, which was a really good gun, but not what you are talking about.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: ereke

The Germans took the new models and the callibr from the First World War soldiers))
From

We will now agree to this very much. And the 1 MW guns were a continuation of earlier guns, etc. And thus tie the air cannon arr. 2000 of the year can be to the field gun 1812. No questions.

Let's still operate not with speculation, but with facts. You shouldn't think for the Mauser engineers if you haven't worked there and there are no weighty arguments on this topic. You can dream up anything.
For example, did the MG-151 bikalier, too, come from the 1 world era?
It was a completely different development, no matter how cool. Why 1934? Yes, because it was then that Hitler sent the Treaty of Versailles.

[ereke]

Well, for example, at the end of 30, the ShVAK (Aviation Automatic) cannon of the 41-s was converted into a tank and non-automatic, while extending the barrel itself and put it on the T-40, turning it into the T-60 cannon

[ereke]

Or 76 regimental gun obr.27, after a series of upgrades in the 30-ies turned into a tank F-34 with a wedge gate. And the regimental cannon 76 callor rev.1927 of the year originates from the field cannon model 1902 of the royal army. At the beginning of the war in 41, when most of the European industrial territory of the USSR was in the hands of the Germans. With the increase in the number and the arrival at the front of the T-34 with the F-34 gun due to the acute shortage of ammunition, old high-explosive grenades were used. 1902 of the year, which was stored in warehouses, koi all spent by the beginning of 42

[ereke]

Yes, something in the ZVO was cut up over the years and the brand of the gun, I said so from memory, and forgot what model it was there. I then received these magazines by subscription, I read them, I was very young)), now I don’t write out, there is an Internet, you can see the electronic versions here. It was simply said the fact that the old weapon is not always bad for today, if wisely modernized as did South Africa))

[ereke]

In fact, in the 30s, fighter aircraft of the main industrial countries of the world had only machine-gun armament, and only by the end of the 30s appeared cannon serial fighters. And in Spain only aircraft with machine-gun weapons fought among themselves. And the MG-151 gun was really developed in 1934. based on other early Mauser designs. And to turn a gun into an automatic one is not difficult for designers and engineers without losing the basic qualities, that is, by the type of ammunition used and its speed, barrel design and rifling, etc. .. (Deep modernization) And the guns you said have nothing to do with it though in fact, it may also have influenced the development of the future

[Roman Skomorokhov]

So, it means, how ... It is difficult to communicate with you because of the mountain of information that is dumped at all. Okay, I'll try to figure it out.

Quote: ereke

Well, for example, at the end of 30, the ShVAK (Aviation Automatic) cannon of the 41-s was converted into a tank and non-automatic, while extending the barrel itself and put it on the T-40, turning it into the T-60 cannon

Well, suppose she was there even very automatic, in order to compensate for the poor quality of the ammunition with her rate of fire. Read.
At the same time, explain to what it is. You sort of came to the conclusion that in South Africa they put an automatic non-aviation gun on planes ... 1912 of the year. okay.

Quote: ereke

Or 76 regimental gun obr.27, after a series of upgrades in the 30-ies turned into a tank F-34 with a wedge gate. And the regimental cannon 76 callor rev.1927 of the year originates from the field cannon model 1902 of the royal army. At the beginning of the war in 41, when most of the European industrial territory of the USSR was in the hands of the Germans. With the increase in the number and the arrival at the front of the T-34 with the F-34 gun due to the acute shortage of ammunition, old high-explosive grenades were used. 1902 of the year, which was stored in warehouses, koi all spent by the beginning of 42

This is all to what? List quotes catching up? so I still get to the bottom of the essence ...

Quote: ereke

Yes, something in the ZVO was punctured over the years and the brand of the gun, I said from memory, and I forgot what model it was.

Quote: ereke

No ZVO correctly says everything, just some of the camments here went into the forest and there was a lot of firewood.

Understood. Better late than never.
Now it would be interesting for me to clarify who are some of those who went into the forest and broke wood? If this is in my address, then if you please, sir, for it was you who was taken away from the topic, and since you began to carry nonsense, then I intervened. You have to figure it out at home, which of the comments I take on my account, okay?

Quote: ereke

And the gun MG-151 really developed in 1934 year.

Without any talk about it. And without the basics. They sat down in 1934, they did it in 1937. Everything. Or then give examples of what this development was.

Quote: ereke

And to turn a gun into an automatic one is not difficult for designers and engineers without losing the basic qualities

In both ... And a couple of examples you can? And the fact that Mauser, that we have fools-designers sat and invented from scratch all sorts of ShVAKi, VYa, Mk-108, and more. And it turns out, it was necessary to take any anti-tank or tank gun, make it automatic and go ahead ...
Well then, Flac-18 was such a shit? Her, dear, from the standard 37-mm anti-tank and did ...

[ereke]

The T-60 tank gun with a semi-automatic wedge bolt, but not automatic as such. I gave an example of South Africa from memory And I remember what was written in the ZVO air gun of the modern air forces of South Africa is a deep modernization of the German gun from the time of the First World War !!! and I remember what was written from memory in an MG article. but didn’t remember which model. And of course, he didn’t give exactly the name of the German model.

[Joker]

I apologize for getting into your dialogue, but I have to correct:

Quote: ereke

T-60 tank gun with a semi-automatic wedge bolt,

- I think they confused it with the T-70, it was precisely the 45-mm caliber caliber automatic gun with a wedge shutter. The later T-40s as well as the T-30 (non-floating version of the T-40 without screws and with somewhat enhanced armor) and the T-60 were equipped with the ShVAK-20 aircraft automatic gun.

[ereke]

Yes, the TNSh-1 automatic was put into service on December 5, 1941, the modernization mainly consisted of lengthening the barrel and installing it in a tank tower in a short time, with tape power. The tabular range of a direct shot reached 2500 m, the aiming range - 7000 m, the rate of fire - up to 750 rounds / min, rate of fire-200 rounds per minute. The mass of a second volley with armor-piercing shells - 1,208 kg. Yes confused with a more advanced model T-70 guns

[ereke]

No, it wasn’t your address who explained to you about the Swiss airlikon, etc. Then you also tried (for the nebula or seem smarter still) other models made in Germany and in Switzerland, having thrown a lot of experimental designs. Of which a dime a dozen in the countries of Western Europe (Germany, Austria, Switzerland)

Initially, Keyser Germany developed exactly the 20-gauge anti-tank gun (Mauser, too), which subsequently appeared in different versions and even with different design solutions in the gun automation) and we are talking about 20 CALLIBLE here !!!

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: ereke

Then you, too, (for nebula or seem smarter more), other models made in Germany and Switzerland, throwing more development into the pile. Which a dime a dozen in Western Europe (Germany, Austria, Switzerland)

Well, not for the nebula, this time. Two - this is something that seems smarter than it is, I have no need, because and so, thank God and parents, not a fool.
And I didn’t throw a bunch of development projects at all. All I wrote about was flying and shooting. And not in single copies. Wrong? Prove it.

[ereke]

And yes, I remembered where I read about the German anti-tank gun call. 20 I found and bring the text;

... November 20, 1917. Early morning. Everything is quiet. And suddenly "from the fog to the German guard units a piercing, ever-increasing roar and whistle began to be heard. Soon black masses of tanks appeared from the dense fog of gray fog. German posts watched in horror as the wide wire barriers and stakes broke under the weight of the advancing steel monsters." This is how the author of the book "The Battle of Cambrai" described the beginning of this operation, when 476 British tanks broke through the German line of defense at a front of 12 km and a depth of up to 10 km. The losses of the British amounted to 1,5 thousand soldiers. Three weeks earlier, the seizure of such a site near Yp-rom (but without a tank attack) cost the British army 400 dead.

However, already on November 23, when advancing on Fontaine-Notre-Dame, the tanks came under fire from German field artillery put forward for direct fire: of 18 combat vehicles, 11 were hit by artillery shells. This is how anti-tank artillery appeared, although at first it was only in name. The armored vehicles were fired from field guns and howitzers. Their shells tore apart tracks, pierced armor, the thickness of which did not exceed 17 mm, and caused an explosion of gasoline vapors. We add that it was relatively easy to target the British Mk. IV and French saint-cha-mones are bulky, slow-moving and non-maneuverable cars.

But the troops also needed special guns: movable, so that in battle the crews could advance to the tank-dangerous direction, they were quick-firing to ensure a high density of fire. So, in Germany they created a mobile 20-mm automatic cannon on a car chassis.
DIRECT HANDLING
"TM" No. 7/1987

Only one thing was wrong with the anti-tank gun was automatic rapid-fire)) Well, just in case, read the technology of young people for 1987 №7 "Our Artillery Museum" article author Vasily Georgievich Malikov, Doctor of Technical Sciences, professor and retired colonel.

Now in the internet different "specialists place different information, we get confused.))