American General Atomics is ready to test a new high-power laser weapon module

The American company GA (General Atomics) has spread a message about its development of photon (laser) energy weapons. According to company representatives, the start of testing of such weapons will begin in the near future. The public saw the autonomous weapon module Tactical Laser Weapon Module at the exhibition Navy's Sea-Air-Space Exposition. In this case, information on a number of technical characteristics of the laser module has not yet been disclosed.

The site IEEE Spectrum It is reported that the company's stand at the above exhibition attracted the attention of visitors. The same site states that the weapon functions using beams of high-coherent light with power from 75 to 300 kW. For comparison, a laser installation from Lockheed Martin It has an "output" of about 10 kW of power.

New photon (laser) modules from the company General atomics will differ in size depending on the power of the pulse. The compact module has a volume of no more than 2 cubic meters and is able to be installed on any vehicle, up to the usual SUV. The mass of the device depends on how many pulses it can produce until the battery is completely discharged. According to some data, in terms of the mass-output power ratio, American company specialists achieved very significant results: around 4 kg per 1 kW. In other words, an installation with an output of 300 kW will have a mass of about 1200 kg.

The weapon is controlled by the use of a plug-in controller, which requires aiming a target laser at the target. Then it remains to press only one button.

GA says that such weapons can be installed on heavily armed AC-130 or V-22 Osprey aircraft. It can also (in relatively light modifications) be used for superheavy drones Predator C Plus.

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[industries_88]

At first I thought that the American General Atomics was ready to supply new zinc boxes for the heroes of the ATO. Tse peremoga

[YohanPalych]

Quote: industries_88

At first I thought that the American General Atomics was ready to supply new zinc boxes for the heroes of the ATO.

Or grill cabinets?

[pvv113]

Dill already has grill cabinets

[bulvas]

Quote: industries_88

At first I thought that the American General Atomics was ready to supply new zinc boxes for the heroes of the ATO. Tse peremoga

What kind of word is "peremoga"

In Russian it sounds as if he wanted in a big way, endured, endured, and ...
suffered

[Manul]

Quote: bulvas

What kind of word is "peremoga"

Here is a good educational program about this

[Aleksiy]

No, I'm just one of these same Slavs. In my family there are Russians and Ukrainians, and therefore the attitude towards this war. After all, it is the Russians, or the Ukrainians of the southeast of Ukraine, who are dying, who have become "Ukrainians" in less than a week. And the phishists of Bandera stand behind, on the rear, or on the flatters, and of course the two kucheryavinkaya are in charge of the process, the commissar. So who will you be, not one of the second?

[SveTok]

Yes, it looks like another bluff.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

In fact, laser systems make sense only as a near-field defense that protects against massive attacks from the air (missiles can end, and lasers will pair while there is energy).

[Prank]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

and lasers will spy while there is energy).

... or until the dust rises, or it does not smoke.

[Canep]

Who cares, IL-76BL or A-60 entered service in 1981. True in the singular.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Canep

IL-76BL or A-60 entered service in 1981.

F-60 never entered service. A-60 is the crown of development of the laser program and the first Soviet, and then the Russian, FLYING LAB, created on the basis of the Il-76MD military transport aircraft. The Skif-D laser unit, which this flying laboratory possesses, is a lightweight and revised version of the Skif-DM that has never been put into orbit.

[quote]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

protects against massive air attacks (

Fifteen rockets in a row! Your actions, Lt. air force stock?
Flight speed?
speed (destruction time, reflecting, absorbing coverage) of destroying a target and moving from one target to another? (Target does not maneuver)
Time to restore the installation for a confident defeat?
The response time of the installation to the transition to another, more promisingly dangerous target? (And if there are three? Go in a row?) And does the target maneuver?
For massive laser reflection attacks, forget !!! Single, yes. Maybe.
Lt. Air Force stock (you're fired!) joke!
S-400 division issue resolved!

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: devis

Fifteen rockets in a row! Your actions, Lt. air force stock?
Flight speed?
speed (destruction time, reflective, absorbing coverage) of the destruction of the target and the transition from one to another target?
Time to restore the installation for a confident defeat?
The response time of the installation to the transition to another, more promisingly dangerous target? (And if there are three? Go in a row?)
For massive laser reflection attacks, forget !!! Single, yes. Maybe.
Lt. Air Force stock (you're fired!) joke!

Firstly, there will be not one laser, but a group of lasers. Secondly, it is not necessary to count on the advance of a laser shot (unlike anti-aircraft artillery), since the laser shoots at the speed of light, this makes it easier to calculate for a shot. Thirdly, a laser gun can have several capacitors, so that while one is emptied when fired, the others are recharged with energy, so to speak, then you can shoot practically continuously. Guidance is carried out on radars, optical and infrared sensors. The time to destroy the reflective coating will not matter if the laser is powerful enough.

[Evilcat]

Guidance is carried out on radars, optical and infrared sensors.

Using these devices, the target is fixed. Guidance is carried out by the platform on which the installation is located. But this was modestly silent. On the SUV they are going to install. Yeah, in a Mercedes. And bring on the trefoil on the hood. Another divorce of their own government for money.

[Ze Kot]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Thirdly, a laser gun can have several capacitors, so that while one is emptied when fired, the others are recharged with energy, so to speak, then you can shoot practically continuously.

As far as I understand from the article, this module is designed for a certain number of shots. That is, without additional power supply, it is like a flashlight on a battery. Moreover, it says about the power of the pulse. But it is not said about the time of the impulse. And who can say how long it takes to destroy a flying rocket.
So this hr * ny can be singly charged.

[Bayonet]

Quote: The Cat

That is, without additional power supply, it is like a flashlight on a battery.

The module requires a powerful source of electricity. It has no internal "batteries".

[bootlegger]

For efficiency comparable to missile weapons, so much energy is needed that it is just right to put the installation next to a power line.

[andj61]

Quote: bootlegger

For efficiency comparable to missile weapons, so much energy is needed that it is just right to put the installation next to a power line.

It is doubtful that this will help. There is no need for a feeble power station at hand - of course, for a really effective weapon.
The most important thing is not indicated: what is the scattering of a laser beam in the atmosphere, how does a laser beam react to it cloudiness, fog, smoke, etc.? I remember that they were calculated by power: with a laser output of 1000 kW with a range of destruction of an air target in clear weather, in any case, it does not exceed 2-3 km. And what is such a weapon for? And how much energy must be spent to get these 1000 kW of radiation power at the output? Effective use of the laser is possible in space - there the beam scatters extremely weakly.

[Wheel]

Quote: andj61

And how much energy must be spent to get these 1000 kW of radiation power at the output?

Well, if you take into account that the best lasers have an efficiency that does not exceed 30%, then a minimum of 3 MW. Really - more.

Quote: andj61

I remember that they were calculated by power: with a laser output of 1000 kW with a range of destruction of an air target in clear weather, in any case, it does not exceed 2-3 km. And what is such a weapon for?

2-3 km, this is for 10 kW.

[The stranger]

The efficiency of a laser is NOT determined by the perfection of its parts; they can safely be taken for perfect. It is determined by the quantum yield of that electron cloud, which is used as an active medium. It also determines the properties of radiation, and then nothing can be done especially by engineering methods. And all this is just the properties of atoms, which are impossible to change. Or in any case - not in our power. Therefore, the dream of a free electron laser.
In fact, lasers are one of the few direct quantum grins of the Universe that we observe, and even use a little. Along with the hardening of metal alloys, say.
To give further money to the engineers for all this is a waste. For the next step, we need new physical principles and phenomena that we either do not know at all or have studied very little. What is still fundamental science.

[Giant thought]

Let the mattress-beds be tested first, and then, based on the results, we will evaluate their brainchild.

[vodolaz]

Yeah, the rocket was already shot down with a laser. True, for some reason it was black, the plane was nearby and the trajectory is known. I wonder how it all will work in the rain or fog?

[Wheel]

Quote: vodolaz

Yeah, the rocket was already shot down with a laser. True, for some reason it was black, the plane was nearby and the trajectory is known. I wonder how it all will work in the rain or fog?

In a rain or fog, this child prodigy will not work, as well as in dusty, smoky or just high humidity conditions.

For the sake of laughter through tears, one can recall that in October 1984 in the Feodosiya training ground from the experimental ship "Foros" for the first time in the history of the Soviet Navy were conducted test firing from a laser cannon. On the whole, the shooting was successful, the low-flying missile was timely detected and destroyed by a laser beam.
The rocket was not painted black; the trajectory was unknown.

[poquello]

Quote: Wheel

Quote: vodolaz

Yeah, the rocket was already shot down with a laser. True, for some reason it was black, the plane was nearby and the trajectory is known. I wonder how it all will work in the rain or fog?

In a rain or fog, this child prodigy will not work, as well as in dusty, smoky or just high humidity conditions.
...

Americans understand a lot about perversions, as far as I understand, they achieve a short pulse of high power and use a locator from a low-power laser, which, however, does not make the project a successful IMHO

[Cube123]

Wrong understand. The target is not watts, but Joules. Therefore, you will always have the product of the pulse duration by the average power. For a long time, picosecond lasers have existed with stunning imagination power, while they are not even able to set fire to a match at a distance of 1 cm.

[Altona]

Quote: industries_88

At first I thought that the American General Atomics was ready to supply new zinc boxes for the heroes of the ATO. Tse peremoga

---------------------------------------------
At first, I also thought that this was the last mac, but only advanced, with a cryogen there, with a cone of genetic material, snot of the last ... Schaub the carcass was frozen, with info, with your sunflower seed in a jar so that smart uncles could reject you in the future ... And then laser-shmazers, a high-power murder weapon, now smart boys will come, tell us what's what, they will zamusinuyu us, old fools ...

[Starover_Z]

The compact module has a volume of not more than 2 cubic meters and can be installed on any equipment, up to a normal SUV.

Did the Americans manage to solve the global issue of energy-consuming laser systems?
Now they exceed their efficiency> 99%?
And for hours of battle, are standard modern batteries enough?

[Professor]

Quote: Starover_Z

Did the Americans manage to solve the global issue of energy-consuming laser systems?

Yeah, and for a long time.

[sssla]

Quote: professor

Aha

The feature film and cartoons are cool))) Only you made a mistake with the address)) You need a channel for children) There you will be welcome)

[Professor]

Quote: sssla

The feature film and cartoons are cool))) Only you made a mistake with the address)) You need a channel for children) There you will be welcome)

Well, finally someone caught them in a lie. Wait, do I run popcorn for myself while you expose them, or not?
Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser (MTHEL)

[sssla]

Quote: professor

Well, finally someone caught them in a lie. Wait, do I run popcorn for myself while you expose them, or not?
Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser (MTHEL)

Professor, you, so expose))) And when you buy popcorn for hard-earned money, tell me the "truth" about landing on the moon))))) I'll listen without popcorn, intyaresnoo

[Professor]

Quote: sssla

Professor you, that's expose)))

I showed a video that you consider fake, and you expose. Although do not strain, I already ate popcorn, and people like you never have anything to say on the case. Yours are slogans.

[andj61]

Quote: professor

I showed a video that you consider fake, and you expose. Although do not strain, I already ate popcorn, and people like you never have anything to say on the case. Yours are slogans.

Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser (MTHEL)
Good evening, Oleg!
According to your link, 9 years have passed since the publication of this article, and from the moment of the tests mentioned in the article - even 11 - there is still nothing real in the USA, just cut the money. Of course, any research will at least lead to the accumulation of experience among specialists and to the training of young people - and this is not enough.
But the main questions for the combat laser are: what is the dispersion of the beam per 1 km of air? How does the state of the atmosphere depend on beam scattering? What is the required output laser power in order to bring down an aircraft for at least 10 km? And what will be the power of the installation, which will output this necessary radiation power?
In the USA, these studies were REALLY conducted as part of the SDI. We concluded: to destroy ballistic missiles in space, you can use a nuclear-pumped X-ray laser, that is, a bomb practically explodes, and the laser uses its energy to destroy strategic nuclear missile warheads. This undertaking did not work: the economy let us down - the cost of such a laser is a hundred times higher than the cost of those missiles that it is capable of destroying. But the effective combat use of lasers in the atmosphere is an extremely dubious thing. I have no doubt that this is possible, just the same effect can be achieved hundreds of times cheaper ways.

PS

Since the year 2000, THEL intercepted five artillery projectiles and 28 rocket targets, including the short range 122mm Katyusha type rockets fired singly and in salvos and larger, long range 160mm rockets which has twice the range of the standard Katyusha. Most recently, on August 24, 2004 the system intercepted and destroyed mortar bombs, fired both single and in salvos.

What is it, 6 artillery shells and 5 28mm Katyusha missiles were intercepted in 122 years of testing? Is that all? I wonder how you can even believe the author of the article, who calls the 122 mm rocket launcher "Katyusha"?

[Professor]

According to your link, 9 years have passed since the publication of this article, and from the moment of the tests mentioned in the article - even 11 - there is still nothing real in the USA, just cut the money.

The lack of advanced technologies and basic research in Russia is due not to the desire to cut money?
About the Nautilus. It was created together with Israel and for Israel. Tests have confirmed its effectiveness. The cost of interception was from $ 1000 to $ 3000, which is not very bad. When it came time to decide on his future fate, to adopt his or the Iron Dome, then Minister of Defense Amir Peretz (who made a career on the trade union line) naturally inclined toward Israeli development, the interception allowance of which then amounted to more than $ 100.
Time passed, the LCD coped well with missiles from 5 to 70 km, but there was practically nothing to shoot down mortar shells with. Seitsas the same Raphael announced the development of his Nautilus.

But the main questions for the combat laser:

Nautilus had to intercept at distances of up to 5 km and he coped with the task.

Quote: andj61

What is it, 6 artillery shells and 5 28mm Katyusha missiles were intercepted in 122 years of testing? Is that all?

They intercepted everything that they planned to intercept, and the bourgeois call all small-caliber RPZOs "Katyushas".

[andj61]

Quote: professor

Intercepted everything that they planned to intercept, and

Well, there seems to be nothing about planning and the percentage of success in the article. Only

Quote: professor

The cost of interception was from $ 1000 to $ 3000, which is not very bad.

- This is not just very good - it is very, very cool. If this were true, then now artillery and missiles would be a thing of the past: after all, the mass production of such systems reduces the cost by an order of magnitude, which is cheaper or comparable to the cost of an intercepted projectile. And no defense minister could make a choice in favor of a hundred times more expensive system - the economy would not allow it. And the United States would not have invested so much in a successful (albeit not very economical) LCD, if they had the more advanced and cheaper system on hand.

Quote: professor

Nautilus had to intercept at distances of up to 5 km and he coped with the task.

5 km - this is really very decent - for the laser - the distance of destruction, about thirty years ago, he witnessed (but not participated) the prototype tests. The developers received a task for 10 km of confident destruction of small aircraft of the KR type (with a probability of 0,98), they managed only for a distance of about 2 km: the beam scattering in the atmosphere is too large. The installation was stationary and the sea was eating energy. Theorists then justified the inexpediency of using a laser in the atmosphere - in terms of price-quality ratio. The same results can be obtained by others. cheaper and more efficient ways.
Naturally, in the USSR no one set the task of destroying rocket and artillery shells in this way. After all, the ZhK is practically a KAZ, "stretched" to cover not a single tank, but a large territory. In the USSR - and now many military men have retained this approach - it was believed that it was necessary not to intercept artillery and rocket projectiles, but to engage in counter-battery work and destroy installations that fire these projectiles.

[Professor]

Quote: andj61

Well, there seems to be nothing about planning and the percentage of success in the article. Only

However, their cost-per-kill is typically much lower (approximately $ 1000 / shot), and their kill probabilities are higher, as indicated by THEL's record of 100% successful intercepts.
Nautilus

Quote: andj61

. If that were true,

That is exactly so. The numbers are double-checked.

Quote: andj61

And the United States would not have invested so much in a successful (albeit not very economical) LCD, if they had the more advanced and cheaper system on hand.

LCD - interception range up to 70 km. Here is the answer. Plus, there will soon be a laser just for intercepting up to 5 km.

Quote: andj61

In the USSR - and now many military men still have this approach - it was believed that it was necessary not to intercept artillery and rocket shells, but to engage in counter-battery work and destroy installations that fire these shells.

What was allowed to the USSR is not allowed to Israel. We have all our neighbors. Nevertheless, the LCD in the Donbass would save many lives.

[Wheel]

Quote: professor

The lack of advanced technologies and basic research in Russia is due not to the desire to cut money?

Prof, you are not in the subject ...
SLK 1K11 "Stilett", was put into service in the shaggy 86th year.
Formally, it is still in service
Even in the 92nd adopted 1K17.

[Daniel]

These systems have a completely different purpose; it is a mistake to compare them with a tactical laser missile defense system.

SLK 1K11 "Stilett", was put into service in the shaggy 86th year.
Formally, it is still in service

Keyword "formally".
But really ...
According to "Stiletto"

For example, one of the machines at the end of the 1990's and the beginning of the 2000's was recognized by BTT amateur historians for recycling in the sump of the 61 BTRZ near St. Petersburg. Second, a decade later, BTT history connoisseurs also found it at a tank repair plant in Kharkov.
http://www.malina-mix.com/topic23960.html

By "Compression"

The only machine released is in the Museum of Engineering of the village of Ivanovskoye in the Moscow Region.
http://warfiles.ru/show-68695-stilet-i-szhatie-lazernye-samohodki-kotorye-dadut-
prikurit.html

Actually, your photo is from there.

[Wheel]

Quote: Daniel

These systems have a completely different purpose; it is a mistake to compare them with a tactical laser missile defense system.

Still, I am aware of the appointment of "Stiletto"
My post was intended for the Professor, who categorically argued about the lack of laser technology in Russia.
I do not know how it is now, but these technologies were much earlier than in the states.
The use of a laser in missile defense is delirious gelding. IMHO (not only mine)

Quote: Daniel

The keyword is "formal".
But really ...

That is why I used the word "formally".

[Daniel]

Quote: Wheel

My post was intended for Professor

Sorry, my slip did not notice.

Quote: Wheel

The use of a laser in missile defense is delirious gelding. IMHO (not only mine)

Debatable. At the current stage, of course, it is not very correct to expect any superpowers from the laser, but work is ongoing in this direction, billions of dollars are being invested, progress does not stop, so the result will be very soon. By the way, Russia is also developing a combat laser. They have relied on the air system and are trying to resurrect the A-60, but it is too early to talk about the results.

[Professor]

Quote: Wheel

Prof, you are not in the subject ..

You are joking? This system did not even burn the foil so intended for blinding. Today, this can be done with a penny Chinese laser pointer.

[sssla]

Quote: professor

I showed a video that you consider fake

I appreciated it, a cool and professional cartoon))) But the reality of laser-shazarov, in a life-affirming cartoon, is different !!

Quote: professor

you and expose.

I’ll be a prosecutor, I’ll expose !!! Everything has its time!!

Quote: professor

and people like you never have anything to say in the case

One opinion is mine and the other is wrong - it's about you !!

Quote: professor

Yours are slogans.

Well, how angry at you)))

[Straus_zloy]

No need to juggle, professor.
The TCHEL in the above video is a chemical laser, it really does not need energy supply, and such lasers were created> 30 years ago in the USSR too.
But this does not in any way bring us closer to creating compact and powerful sources of energy for, for example, solid-state lasers, which are now being used in combat applications or for free-electron lasers.

[Professor]

Quote: Straus_zloy

The TCHEL in the above video is a chemical laser, it really does not need energy supply, and such lasers were created> 30 years ago in the USSR too.

The laser does not need energy supply ... yes it is a Nobel. Urgently register a patent - get rich.

[Straus_zloy]

again you distort. The energy in a chemical laser is taken from a chemical reaction in your THELe combustion of deuterium (heavy hydrogen) in fluorine in the core:

http://femto.com.ua/articles/part_2/4470.html

http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enc_physics/545/%D0%A5%D0%98%D0%9C%D0%98%D0%A7%D0
%95%D0%A1%D0%9A%D0%98%D0%95

all the energy needs of such a laser will be limited by the mirror control system and hydraulics (open close valve)

EXTERNAL ENERGY SOURCE IS NOT REQUIRED FOR GENERATION OF RADIATION

[PLO]

professor, I remember about 2 years ago in the topic about mantis you told tales that soon such lasers would be standard weapons of either Americans or Jews

Well, will technical progress come to us soon? when will THEL or analogues come in?)

[Professor]

Quote: olp

when will THEL or analogues come in?

Of course they will (if they haven’t entered service). There is no doubt about that.

ps
They promised to solve 2 problems. The first has already been decided.
Tunnel Detection System Launched in Southern Israel

[PLO]

Of course they will (if they haven’t entered service). There is no doubt about that.

Oh well)
so far, I have no doubt that you will talk to me about the absence of doubts in another 2-3 years

[Days]

Quote: professor

Of course they will. There is no doubt about that.

Everything is clear, such as you never say anything in the case, yours are slogans (c) someone on this site.

[Professor]

Quote: Dagen

Everything is clear, such as you never say anything about the case, yours is the slogans (c) of someone on this site.

Quote: Aqela

The level of argumentation is simply overwhelming!

Am I owed something to any of you? Remind me, otherwise I forgot.

[Days]

I quoted your own slogan, and then your own words about the person whose words you considered slogans (although you just disagree with his words).

[Aqela]

Quote: professor

There is no doubt about that.

The level of argumentation is simply overwhelming!

[Aqela]

Bullshit, however! Especially in terms of shooting down rockets MLRS. Yeah, shchazz, all 40-160 missiles in 1 minute and will hit ...

[Saburov]

Oh Professor, have you been talking to me about the materiel for a long time, but you yourself again for yours? Are you aware of the heat of the laser or not? Then we repeat the material covered!
The main military effect of the laser beam is purely thermal, light quanta should simply be absorbed by the affected object and heat it to such a state that it becomes unusable. In order to influence the target, a certain number of joules must reach it. It is difficult to say exactly how much, and even if this is known, they will most likely not talk about it loudly. And yet, apparently, it is at least several tens or even hundreds of megajoules - for such vulnerable objects as a rocket with a full fuel tank, and no less than thousands megajoules - for nuclear warheads that successfully overcome dense layers of the atmosphere without losing operability . For a continuous laser, even without taking into account the beam divergence, we are already talking about powers of thousands of megawatts. But then it turns out that the power of the energy source should be millions of kilowatts! And indeed it is.

[Saburov]

And yet, suppose that energy is found: for example, an 1 ton of fuel per 1 shot. As is known, the usual laser operation scheme provides for the “pumping” of the working medium (crystal or gas) with energy up to a certain level, and when a jump occurs, the accumulated energy is discharged by a light beam of a certain wavelength. But where to get that energy that did not go to the goal with the beam? So, it will mostly stand out in the firing device in the form of heat. Thus, only 40% will go to the goal, but the remaining 60% will remain with us. And therefore, even having damaged the target, we can easily evaporate our own installation. It is no accident that even in much less powerful earthly installations, flowing water cooling is used not only for mirrors, but also for the working volume of the laser.

[Saburov]

So how then do lasers cut metal? But there both the volume of the working fluid where the laser beam is generated and the dimensions of the focusing system are incomparably larger than the heating zone. There is another problem - existing beam focusing systems use reflective mirrors. So what prevents the enemy from using the same mirror coating as a defense? Not to mention the simple rotation of the warhead, which reduces the efficiency of beam weapons by a factor of ten. Lasers had two drawbacks: low power and beam divergence. Whatever the power, but if a beam of radiation with a diameter of several kilometers falls on the target, the benefit of such a laser is zero — unless you can make a rangefinder out of it ... There is only one way to deal with beam divergence — by reducing the wavelength. However, it follows from the fundamental laws of physics that the shorter the wavelength, the more difficult it is to implement quantum amplification of radiation, or, in human terms, to build a laser. The first quantum amplifiers (masers), created in the distant 1950's, worked in the radio range (rather long waves), after a decade, lasers operating in the optical range appeared. And a decade later, a theoretical and experimental basis was formed for creating a laser in the x-ray range. However, to use such a laser as a gun for firing at warheads, fantastic pumping energy was required. Only a nuclear explosion could give it. So the professor needs to teach you the materiel, not me.

[Professor]

Quote: Saburov

Oh Professor, have you been talking to me about the materiel for a long time, but you yourself again for yours?

I didn’t get any equipment from you in that branch, can I wait here?

Quote: Saburov

Then we repeat the material covered!

Quote: Saburov

So the professor needs to teach you the materiel, not me.

How many words and pathos. And now again, we watch a video of how a laser shoots down rotating shells, mines and rockets. Here it is, not a theory.

[Saburov]

Professor, I finally became convinced of your incompetence on issues such as military products, and also physics ... and according to your statements, you are an engineer and also an officer of the Black Sea Fleet if I’m not mistaken ... but you’re buying a boy like a boy ... I don’t understand what your purpose is ... whether you are a disinfectant, or a sniff-manipulator, or an agitator ...?

[Professor]

Quote: Saburov

Professor, I finally became convinced of your incompetence on issues such as military products, and also physics ... and according to your statements, you are an engineer and also an officer of the Black Sea Fleet if I’m not mistaken ... but you’re buying a boy like a boy ... I don’t understand what your purpose is ... whether you are a disinfectant, or a sniff-manipulator, or an agitator ...?

And what else could you say when you are shown three existing models from leading defense concerns in the world in response to your blah blah blah? In your opinion, this cannot be, but here they are.
I can also show the current lasers. Would you like to?

[Saburov]

Professor, how so? Indeed, in our age of technology, especially cinema, you can remove anything, for example, a laser pointer destroys Mars ... but, unfortunately, the fundamental laws of physics cannot be mounted.

[Professor]

Quote: Saburov

Professor, how so? Indeed, in our age of technology, especially cinema, you can remove anything, for example, a laser pointer destroys Mars ... but, unfortunately, the fundamental laws of physics cannot be mounted.

Will troll add to ignore sheet.
I don’t like the video, I can show articles. Do you speak languages?

[Saburov]

I didn’t understand anything ... Professor paper will endure everything, and show me an article where, for example, it is clear, in technical and scientific language, describes how they managed to get around the main problems of construction? The natural divorce of suckers (military and taxpayers) on the headstock by American scientific and technical swindlers. For the reason that in the foreseeable future, “combat lasers” are not able, in principle, even to approach combat good old good guns / missiles. In the best case, their destiny is extremely narrow, specific areas of application such as burning optics for reconnaissance. equipment, sights, etc. If we talk about the use of lasers on the battlefield to “burn” tanks / infantry / missiles / aircraft, then this is just technical nonsense. And that's why. First, you only have to make a small introduction to the topic - how to evaluate and compare the impact on the target of different types of weapons. Those who are well versed in weapon physics may not read. For the rest of the educational program: What determines the degree of destruction of the target?

[Saburov]

It is determined by three factors: 1) The power supplied from the weapon to the target. A commonplace banal example: the more you hit a person with your fist, the more damage he will inflict, all other things being equal. “Stronger” means applying more muscle at a greater distance in less time. This is power. With regard to guns: the faster the projectile flies, and the heavier it is, the more power. The more he damages the tank, all other things being equal. With reference to the laser - the greater the power of the beam in kilowatts, the stronger it will burn the target. And in the same kilowatts you can translate the damaging properties of any other weapon and compare them. What will we do later. 2) The second factor is the area on which we bring power from the weapon. The smaller it is, the more concentrated the target experiences, the stronger the defeat (we don’t take extreme cases!). If you push the bully with your fist, there will be nothing for him. If you poke him with an awl with exactly the same effort (power), he will not be greeted. When they want to break through a tank, they try to make it a thinner striking element. So as not to “spread” power over the area. If we shoot a beam - we must collect it on the smallest possible area. Remember children's games with lenses and the Sun. A lens collecting the light of the Sun from a circle with a diameter of 5 cm - burns paper perfectly when this beam is compressed to a size of a couple of millimeters. In principle, the first and second factors are usually combined into one - the energy flux density. That is, they receive power in watts divided by the area of ​​impact. The higher this density, the more dangerous the impact. Measured in watts per square centimeter. But I decided to break them down for clarity. 3) The ability of the target to reflect, fend off the power of the weapon. That is, for example, if we take two armor plates and a projectile flying in them, but put one sheet at an angle, then the projectile can bounce off the inclined sheet. All else being equal. That is, the degree of destruction of the target very much depends on its specific vulnerability to this type of weapon with the first two factors being equal. It’s so simple not to sort through the interaction, there are dozens of types of interaction, but then it will be easier. For now, just remember that this must be taken into account. So, we repeat once again: in order to assess the damaging effect of a weapon, we are primarily interested in its power, concentration and methods of protection. Now let's see what has been achieved in the field of lasers and conventional weapons in terms of the above criteria.

[Saburov]

) Power criterion. The most powerful laser today is the ABL chemical COIL laser. Its power is about 1 megawatts. For comparison: the power of the 76-mm division gun F-22 of the 1936 model of the year is about 150 megawatts. 150 times more! Count yourself - the kinetic energy of the projectile (M * V ^ 2) / 2 divided by the time it is reached (about 0.01 seconds). We still do not take into account the explosive energy in the projectile itself. There are still as many. Think about this simple fact: a small ancient cannon from the time of the Second World War at a price of scrap metal is hundreds of times more powerful than an ultramodern “battle” laser weighing tens of tons and costing over 5 billions of dollars. A shot from ABL alone costs millions of dollars. And this energy shot is comparable to the burst of a heavy machine gun. The power of a Kalashnikov assault rifle is about 100 kilowatts. A US-Israeli laser with the same 100 kW (THEL) power was tested, they wanted to use it to protect against Grad missile shells. THEL installation in size - 6 delivered next to the bus. The project was closed at 2006 for complete inadequacy, although it still successfully shot down missiles and mines. By heating them in flight for several seconds. (The question is - what about the volley ????) Characteristically, no one even mentioned the possibility of defeating infantry with such a laser. Otherwise, even a child would clearly see its true capabilities, comparing it with an ordinary machine gun. It should be noted that it is no coincidence that the US military and experts believe that the minimum required laser power for combat use is 100 kW. As we see, this is really enough to at least get closer to the striking power of small arms.

[Saburov]

2) Laserophiles will say: well, maybe the beam can be concentrated on a small area and thereby achieve a much greater effect with less power? Indeed - after all, industry uses laser machines that quietly cut centimeter steel with powers of only about a few kilowatts. At the same time, their rays are focused on a patch of several millimeters in size. Alas! Here, the physically irresistible diffraction law comes into force, which states that the laser radiation always diverges from the angle = wavelength / beam diameter. At distances of the order of meters, it can be ignored. So what is next? If we take specifically a combat infrared laser with a wavelength of 2 μm (THEL combat lasers work at such a length, etc.) and a beam diameter of 1 cm, then we get the angle of divergence 0.2 of the milliradian (this is a very small difference - for example, ordinary laser pointers / rangefinders diverge by 5 milliradians and more). Divergence 0.2 mrad. at a distance of 100 meters, it will increase the diameter of the spot from 1 cm to approximately 3 cm (if anyone else remembers school geometry). That is, the impact density will fall in proportion to the area in 7 times only by 100 meters. That is: if we know that a laser with a power of 100 KW burns an inch steel plate at point-blank somewhere in 2-3 seconds, then at a distance of 100 meters it will do this, roughly, 18 seconds. All this time, an armored personnel carrier (or whom you are going to burn there) must by itself patiently stand and wait. Do not violate those. process, so to speak. Well, as you know - a furrow of a couple of centimeters is unlikely to upset him anyway. For comparison: armor-piercing bullets from Kalashnikov calmly pierce 16 mm steel at the same distance. And I repeat - today the 100 kW laser is a huge installation weighing tens of tons, with huge tanks of toxic chemicals and sophisticated optics. When he "shoots" - huge clouds of poisonous smoke come from him, poisoning the entire vicinity. What will happen to all this if the enemy strikes from 100 meters throughout this kitchen from his good old large-caliber KPVT - you can imagine. And the rocket can accidentally hit ... And on a kilometer the beam density will fall already 300 times.

[Saburov]

Therefore, it is easy to understand that the distance of hitting a target even in 1 km for an 100-kW laser is an unattainable dream in real conditions. Unless you understand, for example, a canister of gasoline. Or a naked man tied to a tree. That is, a minimally protected target cannot be hit with such a laser at REASONABLE distances in combat conditions. By the way! On combat conditions: the battlefield is not always a desert White Sands training ground. It's rain. Snow. Fog. Explosions. Fumes. Dust. All these are almost insurmountable obstacles to the laser beam. Here, in general, you can forget about any concentration of the beam - it simply dissipates long before the goal. Who needs an assault rifle that is unable to hit targets in such conditions? I remember that the earliest firearms could not shoot in wet weather - the gunpowder was drenched. And the "shooters" just cut out the old fashioned way. Here it is, the inevitable fate of lovers of hyperboloids. 3) Also a very unpleasant point for "laser" is the ability to protect the target. And it’s very cheap and very cheerful. Because infrared rays are reflected from anything that is not hit (everyone can play with the remote control from the TV). A cheap window film with metallization reflects the vast majority of infrared radiation. Titanium reflects the IR laser very well. But we already barely brought it to the goal (just poetry!). Worse, there are also sublimation resins that are used to protect spacecraft from gigawatt heat fluxes, combined with the terrible mechanical effects of air pressure. In this case, the resin layer is damaged by a centimeter or two. That is, armor / steel is far from the most resistant material for the laser, no. It has long been an order of magnitude more "laser-resistant" coatings. It follows that even if it is possible to increase the power of laser guns by an order of magnitude, to gigawatts, this will not make them a prodigy at all. In this “sword and shield” competition, the shield has a huge, insurmountable head start. That is why laser-lasers very rarely tell WHAT goals they once again managed to hit and at what distance. And what is shown on the video raises more questions than answers. Ah well? - true laser lovers will say - but what do you all tell about chemical lasers when a technological breakthrough has already been made and “combat” solid-state light-pumping devices have appeared? There are no poisonous tanks, and they are much smaller! And decent power has already been achieved - for 100 kW!

[Saburov]

And it's called beautifully - Firestrike. Hmm .. And really, a very compact little thing - 7 blocks each weighing 180 kg. Total 1300 kg. So that? A dream come true? Let's not rush. There are a couple of nuances. This huge cabinet weighing per ton is just the radiating unit itself. At least 500 kW should be supplied with electric power, given that the achieved efficiency of this laser is about 20%. (and even that is very doubtful, usually much less - less than 10%). Thus, 100 kW went into the enemy with us, and 400 kW remained in this cabinet. And these kilowatts need to be put out quickly, right? Otherwise, expensive optics will suffer. The dimensions of a cooling system of such power can be imagined by looking, for example, at a cooling installation. A rather big bandura, weighs 120 kg. The system can just serve for cooling industrial lasers; it diverts power from as many as whole 6 kW. And she consumes the same amount of electricity. So you need something the size of a truck to cool our 100 kW cabinet when firing. And all this in total will consume megawatts of electric power under 1. Well how? Do you still like breakthrough 100 kW solid-state lasers? With the unimaginable power of defeat comparable to a Kalashnikov assault rifle? If you are interested in the Professor, I can introduce you to the opinion of the physicist and creator of combat lasers in the USSR about this performance.

[Wheel]

Quote: Starover_Z

Did the Americans manage to solve the global issue of energy-consuming laser systems?
Now they exceed their efficiency> 99%?
And for hours of battle, are standard modern batteries enough?

Gee ...
It's just a marketing ploy. Power plant, it is next to it, around the corner, on a pair of trailers.

[MolGro]

And how much is this miracle eating electricity ???

[Altona]

Quote: MolGro

And how much is this miracle eating electricity ???

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The White House has gone out recently, haven't you heard? You thought there really was an old pillar broken?

[spech]

It (miracle) will feed on this

[Altona]

Quote: spech

It (miracle) will feed on this laughing

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Etozhzh KeTse ... On this box you know how many of these lasers you can buy on Plyuk?

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Altona

Etozhzh KeTse ... On this box you know how many of these lasers you can buy on Plyuk?

This is Eugene You wrote well and to the point!

[poquello]

Quote: MolGro

And how much is this miracle eating electricity ???

Well, like they are laser for you, and you recharge the batteries?

[slovak007]

The efficiency of non-semiconductor lasers is about 30%, I think there will be no problems making an estimate.

[HAM]

There is a Russian word untranslated into other languages, and so it eats so much ....

[ia-ai00]

Well, I hope that Russian science is also "awake"!

[EvgNik]

Quote: ia-ai00

Well, I hope that Russian science is also "awake"

Not sleeping. Recently, the United States conducted tests, praised, and then there was a message so small that the tests were generally unsuccessful. Ours also did and tested, and quite successfully. But all this is now classified (and correctly) only rare information reaches us.

[Prisoner]

Is our mentality like that? If that starts to turn out not bad right there is a mode of silence. A pinTosam succeeded, did not succeed the main thing is to crow louder.

[monolith 36]

New model of a sunbed.

[Jatviag]

And what kind of helicopters are these - AC-130, about which the author writes? AC-130, it's kind of like Hercules.

[Alex_Rarog]

The author had in mind the fire support aircraft he was AC 130 and Hercules C 130.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I don’t want to say anything .. It’s just alarming all this! No matter how we keep up ..

[Dreamwriter]

What is behind? In the creation of a high-power point-based non-maneuvering weapon of doubtful applicability? The laser is good as a missile launching system, yes - but our missile defense and air defense are much better and better developed. As an attacking weapon, the laser is very doubtful: the armor of the tank will be melted long and dull, a group of people and light equipment will not be covered in one gulp, and firing from it at single weakly protected light targets - like the same infantry - is like a gun sparrowing. So it has the main applicability - air defense of the near zone, and it can still burn holes below the waterline of ships (and that is a rather dubious application, given modern methods of protection against flooding).
In addition, the USSR has already done a lot of experimental lasers - they worked well, but the applicability did not go around.

[ferdiperdozzz]

You didn’t look at it (or you’re not a fan), but on it, by the way, more than one generation of Americans was brought up and fan. For them, this news.

[slovak007]

In FIAN them. Lebedev, an oxygen-iodine laser was developed back in Soviet times, implying its military use. The only problem here is that materials both absorb light and reflect it, and the atmosphere also scatters it. And that remaining part of the energy is no longer enough to melt / burn materials at a distance. Compare the laser energy at the peak - 300 KJ and the energy of a cannon projectile, for example MSTA-B, m ~ 43 kg, V = 810 v / c -> Ekin = 14106150J = 14MJ, an order of magnitude higher. The only thing that is attractive here is the speed this system can react to, although again, accumulating such an amount of energy for a second shot takes time.
So, even more likely the scope of the lasers is not near air defense, but the glare of the enemy’s optical devices.

[Aqela]

Spreading on "UAVs" - that's it!

[coconut]

And if you put on a satellite?
I think a good satellite fighter will work.

[coconut]

And if you put on a satellite?
I think a good satellite fighter will work.

[Professor]

Quote: Dreamscripter

In the creation of a high-power point-based non-maneuvering weapon of doubtful applicability?

Deploy lasers in low Earth orbit and there will be an excellent missile defense. Fans of the fog nervously smoke on the sidelines.

PS
You can polish the warheads to shine, there's little use. The laser even burns the mirror.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: professor

Deploy lasers in low Earth orbit and there will be an excellent missile defense. Fans of the fog nervously smoke on the sidelines.

PS
You can polish the warheads to shine, there's little use. The laser even burns the mirror.

Again, Aluf Mishne The professor discouraged everyone ...
There are options for the development of new, more refractory alloys and special evaporative coatings (a laser shooting this coating evaporates it by heating, gaining time for the rocket to escape from the impact). Modern ballistic missiles fly along a flat trajectory, unlike old missiles whose apogee was 1000 kilometers above the Earth, rockets with a flat apogee trajectory are much lower, therefore, the time spent outside the atmosphere is reduced, which increases the survival of the rocket (in dense layers of the atmosphere, the laser power is dissipated )

[Professor]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Again, Aluf Mishne The professor discouraged everyone ...

Aluf mishne is it to show off not knowledge of Hebrew?

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

There are options for developing new, more refractory alloys and special evaporative coatings

There are options for developing new, more powerful lasers that can burn refractory alloys and special vaporizing coatings.

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Modern ballistic missiles fly along a flat trajectory

A laser in orbit or in a jumbo monopenessially what their trajectory is.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: professor

Aluf mishne is it to show off not knowledge of Hebrew?

There was no Hebrew in Russian Wikipedia, and translating Google was lazy. But did you guess with your rank? All the same, it is necessary to deliver S-300 to Iran .... it is necessary .... (hereinafter Papanov’s evil laugh)

Quote: professor

There are options for developing new, more powerful lasers that can burn refractory alloys and special vaporizing coatings.

Where does the energy come from in space? Solar panels will not have time to accumulate energy in such quantities to shoot in bursts if a massive launch of missiles begins. Offer to stick a nuclear reactor into an orbital combat platform? It needs to be serviced, and on what will the US fly and service? And according to the calculations of such platforms, hundreds are needed, this is not real.

Quote: professor

A laser in orbit or in a jumbo monopenessially what their trajectory is.

Jumbo flies slowly, and his laser range is small, it will be practically impossible for him to be in the right place at the right time to perform a ballistic missile interception. About orbital lasers wrote above.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Antonov

And you're still a fool, trying to teach someone something?

I wrote from the tablet so I was mistaken.
And what can you teach that you generally know? Where did you study? You have not answered my question. Other than frantic ambition, I have not read anything from you. All messages are absolutely meaningless in your profile ....

[Professor]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

But did you guess with your rank?

No guessed right. Aluf Mishne is a colonel, I served in the Navy and even if I stayed there I would not have become a colonel for two reasons. There are no colonels in the fleet and my background did not allow me to advance through the ranks.

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Where does the energy come from in space?

chamomile nuclear reactor

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Jumbo flies slowly, and his laser range is small, it will be practically impossible for him to be in the right place at the right time to perform a ballistic missile interception.

He has nowhere to rush. There ground-based missile defense systems are generally stationary, and patrol areas are already very limited.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: professor

my background did not allow me to advance through the ranks.

I thought in Israel there is no segregation by descent, and everyone is equal, what about democratic values? More and more convinced that democracy in the Middle East is even less than in Russia.

Quote: professor

He has nowhere to rush. There ground-based missile defense systems are generally stationary, and patrol areas are already very limited.

The ground ones have 100% combat readiness, and while you raise the plane into the air and get it to the desired area, a lot of time will pass. Ballistic missiles fly to the United States for 30 minutes, with brpl even less. At an altitude of 10 kilometers, warheads are already flying not in a missile but in a disconnected form and you need to deal with the multiple targets that appeared + false targets.

Quote: professor

chamomile nuclear reactor

What prevents a nuclear strike from overloading these satellite platforms with S-500 missiles and other anti-satellite missiles? Laser pro chokes. In addition, the number of such satellites should go to hundreds.

[Professor]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

I thought in Israel there is no segregation by descent, and everyone is equal, what about democratic values?

And here is Israel? I served at the BSF.

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

More and more convinced that democracy in the Middle East is even less than in Russia.

What can you judge about democracy? Where did you get it?

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

The ground ones have 100% combat readiness, and while you raise the plane into the air and get it to the desired area, a lot of time will pass. Ballistic missiles fly to the United States for 30 minutes, with brpl even less.

Everyone knows about Russia's peacefulness and US aggressiveness. The Americans will be the first to use nuclear weapons, which means they will raise planes in advance in the sky.

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

What prevents a nuclear strike from overloading these satellite platforms with S-500 missiles and other anti-satellite missiles?

See previous answer.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: professor

And here is Israel? I served at the BSF.

And they said so in plain text that nothing shines because the Jew?

Quote: professor

What can you judge about democracy? Where did you get it?

Well, for example, you are not allowed homosexuality, and this is very bad by Western standards. Even before the events in Ukraine, I read foreign media about Russia, then there was nothing much to write about our country, and almost every second article openly said that the law prohibiting the promotion of homosexuality is very bad. I wonder why Western media did not molest Israel or Saudi Arabia with this problem? The fact is that the so-called Western media must constantly write nasty things about Russia otherwise. Even when it’s good, it’s all the same to find nasty things and write. For example, the Sochi Olympics, it would seem that there are some disadvantages, but no, you need to take a picture of the door lock on your camera in the United States and put it on the Internet with the signature that it is in Russia. And so constantly. About how the Communists were persecuted in the USA in the 40s, I generally keep quiet; no one even stuttered about freedom of speech. Opengheimer was slandered for allegedly supporting the Communists by opposing nuclear weapons.

Quote: professor

Everyone knows about Russia's peacefulness and US aggressiveness. The Americans will be the first to use nuclear weapons, which means they will raise planes in advance in the sky.

Our new doctrine allows us to launch a preventive nuclear strike. The agents will report on the preparation of the Americans for war.

Quote: professor

See previous answer.

Not everything is so simple, the Americans would have created such a system long ago if they could, but firstly it is very expensive, secondly they need a large grouping, thirdly they still need to be serviced, fourthly there is an agreement prohibiting the deployment of weapons in space, fifthly the system should give an advantage in a preemptive strike, but what if Russia develops a similar system and spending a lot of money, we will return to the status quo again.

[Professor]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Well, for example, you are not allowed homosexuality

We have no problems with homosexuality, even some Knesset members openly declare their sexual orientation. So come, no one will offend you.

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Not so simple, the Americans would have created such a system long ago if they could

They create.

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

but what if Russia develops a similar system and having spent a lot of money, we will return to the status quo again.

Will not work. You have "temporary difficulties" with finances.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: professor

We have no problems with homosexuality, even some Knesset members openly declare their sexual orientation. So come, no one will offend you.

A professor got a photo from his photo album? Now it’s clear why you have been ordered for career growth at the Black Sea Fleet. Well, you can’t do this, people can be eating in front of the monitor. And vomiting right on the keyboard can.
And you want to say that in a country where some groups of Jews on Saturdays cannot even press the elevator button because of religious beliefs and where the elevator travels automatically and opens on each floor, does it all flourish? I thought Jewish society was one of the most conservative. But it turns out that it got there. And there is a party of pedophiles in the Netherlands, probably soon they will also fight for their rights, and say that in the Arab countries this has long been allowed and nothing.

Quote: professor

They create.

They create a ship and base on the 747th. An air laser in Russia was also created in the 80s, but it was abandoned due to inefficiency. It won’t reach space.

Quote: professor

Will not work. You have "temporary difficulties" with finances.

Well, there are asymmetric answers too, for example, we will withdraw from the treaty on medium- and short-range missiles.

[Professor]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

A professor got a photo from his photo album? Now it’s clear why you have been ordered for career growth at the Black Sea Fleet.

Not from my own. As you can see, we have no problems with this. The fact that come, do not offend.

Career growth is a different story and not for the forum.

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

It won’t reach space.

Tell us what and why this papelats flies into space?

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: professor

Not from my own. As you can see, we have no problems with this. The fact that come, do not offend.

You are better off to us.

Quote: professor

Tell us what and why this papelats flies into space?

The Americans are copying our spiral. Nothing special, where does it say that they are going to use it to install a space laser? With us, too, I saw Buran’s blueprints in combat, it didn’t go beyond the blueprints. Like Americans with SDI, some pictures ...

[poquello]

Quote: professor

What can you judge about democracy? Where did you get it?

and you have Jews beaten every day

[Aqela]

And there will be ATOM - bdyshchschsch !!! Everyone knows that nuclear power plants are easy to launch into orbit to ensure laser missile defense! And on "Jumbo" it is easy to stuff 800 tons of generators and capacitors to ensure serial pumping of a laser gun + 300 tons for the cooling system of this whole gang! It's not for nothing that the Americans call him so cool "Jamboy" !!!
As I understand it, the professor is not very aware of the fact that the power of modern lasers is very limited in efficiency, and up to 30% is far, like to grandma's village on all fours ... or a fraction of a second, you need megawatts of radiation, and for pumping - hundreds and thousands of megawatts! .. Well, after all, "Jumbo-same"!

[slovak007]

In the laboratory, with a static target in a few seconds it’s possible. I was present during the experiment when, using a pulsed laser, with a power of 1000 W at the peak, they burned sealing wax, which is used at the post office. So from the moment the laser was turned on to the start of evaporation, it took up to 1 s. And how do you think it is possible to fix laser radiation at speeds of the order of 7 km / s, and even for a long time, and besides, with a rapid change in the angle of incidence / reflection?

[Dreamwriter]

Excellent missile defense against countries with underdeveloped missile technology. For it is much easier to shoot down a satellite with a laser with missiles from the ground than a ground-based missile defense system, covered with additional air defense and medium / short-range missile defense systems. Of course, it is possible to cram a lot of "defender satellites" with anti-missile / anti-lasers into space, but this is massive, costly, and ineffective - for the same purposes with the same protection it is much easier and more efficient to use ground-based missile defense.

PS: A plastic mirror - of course. Polished to mirror reflection titanium or some other metal is orders of magnitude heavier and more complicated. The main impact force of the laser is in heating, and therefore protection from the laser is much easier to come up with (refractory materials are already known very, very much) than from weapons that have kinetic impact force.

[Straus_zloy]

Not everything is so simple. take an interest in how many megajoules per square meter the thermal protection of a heavy warhead takes. If you do not have time to burn a rocket in an active area, then get tired of swallowing dust, burning multiple warheads.
in space, a few grams of air is enough to deploy a radio-opaque balloon around a warhead plus a hundred empty balls, how will you select targets?
Shoot down everything, including false goals, not enough time or resources.
False targets will start to lag, only when entering the atmosphere, remember what speed at this site at the warhead? Yes, she also forgot to maneuver.


By the way, a laser starting somewhere with 10 kW per cm2 no longer burns. The main mechanism of destruction is the explosive evaporation of the upper layer of the target, and these pairs dispersed to kilometers per second destroy the remaining wall,

[sharp-lad]

And titanium with beryllium under a thick layer of carbon fiber does not hurt?

[sharp-lad]

And titanium with beryllium under a thick layer of carbon fiber does not hurt?

[Aqela]

What does the mirror have to do with it? Have you tried burning asbestos? In addition, as far as I know, even just rotating the warhead around the axis prevents critical overheating of the skin ... And yes! Considering that the basis of the laser is resonant radiation in the system of mirrors, then yes - the mirrors burn with terrible force! And the lenses for guidance, too - a solid zilch! Kapets to all optics - LASER COME!

[Aqela]

As far as I know, tests of a laser gun based on a tank were carried out in the 70s. Bullshit consisted in the fact that the installation occupied the chassis of three tanks: 2 - generators, 1 - installation with a cooling system, and the effectiveness of combat use corresponded to the DShK machine gun ... Which is clearly not a channel ...

[Aqela]

As far as I know, field trials of laser systems were carried out in the 70s. This did not impress anyone: generators were mounted on 2 tanks, on the 3rd - the laser gun itself and the cooling system, while the combat effectiveness was comparable to the DShK machine gun, which was clearly not a channel ...
By the way, the use of laser for manpower, as far as I know, is not so depressing. The fact is that a powerful laser beam causes explosive instantaneous evaporation of materials at the point of impact, i.e. the effect resembles a bursting bullet. The armor will not break, but in an unprotected body - it will not seem good ...

[sanja.grw]

Bullshit all this, again cut dough from the Americans

[ia-ai00]

At the "attentive" viewing of the first photo, the thought flashed: - "Cargo 200, modernized" ...

[Mountain shooter]

Electricity can also be let down. And what can be done about atmospheric breakdown? This is the main (but not the only) restriction on the implementation of laser weapons. And it does not get around, nor jump over. These are physical laws that are not canceled at the request of the bigwigs from the arms business.

[Epema]

But what an advertisement !! We have not experienced it yet, there are no results, there is no exact data, but there is some kind of garbage resembling a coffin. Again we are so formidable, but if we take care of this garbage, it is also terrible!

[sogdianec]

Quote: MolGro

And how much is this miracle eating electricity ???

"You won't drink a day, your hand will get tired" ©

[vanavatny]

they spend a lot of money on science, sooner or later it can turn out, just by dropping out of delirium ... when the ussr, the grush really helped scientists, which saved money

[shelva]

Once again, the mattress fighters of their gullible taxpayers lit up for loot, as with the F-22.

[YohanPalych]

American General Atomics is ready to test a new high-power laser weapon module

Somewhere something similar I already saw? And I remembered:
A. Tolstoy "hyperboloid of engineer Garin"

[voyaka uh]

A. Tolstoy, oddly enough, turned out to be a prophet. Even his "pyramids"
were foresight. Instead, they are compact supercapacitors.
A laser can fire a burst like a machine gun. Instead of cartridges in the tape -
supercapacitors.
Even on heavily armored targets not available to the laser, always
sufficiently vulnerable points (sighting devices, etc.) which
will be instantly and easily destroyed.

[KBPC50]

Another SOI. They want Russia, as under Gorby, to get caught up in the next Manilovshchina. Lasers are needed, but for a powerful defense laser with the current development of science, so much energy is required that hair begins to grow on a bald head. There is one interesting source, although it is called a thermonuclear bomb. To them, the Americans, Svidomo handed over the Soviet laser along with the steamer, however, as they say, all the valuable parts from non-ferrous metal have already been recycled. Well, the amirikos really want to drag Russia into the race again. We must do as the Chinese do, bought a wheel and made the same, and then sold it to those who bought this wheel. As the GREAT aircraft designer said, “we will not catch up, we will go (or rush) to the cut” (Bartini Robert Ludwigovich), you have to be more cunning! In exactly the same way, the Americans want the introduction of RUSSIAN troops into Ukraine, so that we would pay all Svidomov's debts. XY NOT 80 XO?

[bashkort]

What cool bells and whistles for a laser pointer ... are there, under the cover, probably cool batteries crammed in? Does she know how to make popcorn? American Army Without Popcorn - Nowhere!

[uhu189]

in order to get even an 75kW pulse at least 10 times, in addition to the laser, you also need to carry a truck with special batteries that can give peak discharge currents and do not collapse. And they can cost a cost comparable to a laser, or even more, plus they are very demanding on operating conditions (in particular on temperature). This greatly limits the use of this installation, it can not be put on an SUV, and it is very doubtful that it will succeed on a drone. Although, of course, getting a high-performance small-sized laser is an alarming bell for us.

[bashkort]

Damn, just now I realized what this device reminds me of - it's a coffin from Starship Troopers!

[Observer2014]

They printed the dough, then spent some kind of crap, and so on to infinity and then suddenly out of hundreds of wunderwafels, something worthwhile will turn out. Therefore, we need to spend on something really worthwhile, because while we get money with sweat and blood. That's when their pyramid gruns, then we'll look at their development of "weapons of the future"

[Observer2014]

I want to add: "The weapon can be mounted on heavily armed AC-130 or V-22 Osprey aircraft. It can also (in relatively light modifications) be used for super-heavy Predator C Plus drones." And what will they carry the batteries on? ha ha ha ha .....

[another RUSICH]

3.14ndosia never ceases to amaze.
already how much money is being tricked into some kind of absurd and fantastic projects! then F22, then F35, then stealth, which is capable of knocking down s75, then the radar they have is not as effective as they cost, now this is the city.
I don’t remember, but a month ago I read somewhere about the successful test of a combat laser that could set fire to a passenger (!) car at a distance of 2 km, moreover, not simultaneously, but within a few minutes!
along the way there in the constructors are stupid people who have not played enough of "star wars"
and as a result, America rides on ancient Abrams, wipes dust from persings, blowjobs and tridents of the 70-80s, flies on the most ancient "strategists"
well ... it pleases

[tomket]

Quote: another RUSICH

then F22, then F35, then stealth, which is able to bring down c75,

Do you have any data on the number of Stealths shot down? except for the one and only one in Yugoslavia? Now count the number of F-117 losses with the number of sorties. and compare with other aircraft.

Quote: another RUSICH

Now this is the city.

Their work is going on, but in our country Chubais collects fees for himself, oh yes, he is also reforming Livanov.

Quote: another RUSICH

who could set fire to a car (!) car at a distance of 2 km, and not at once, but within a few minutes!

What did you want from the first samples? Death Star ????

Quote: another RUSICH

on the ancient abrams,

and we are on t-72 BZ,

Quote: another RUSICH

wipes dust from perching, blow job and trident of 70-80s,

does it somehow affect their combat readiness? Is our "Voevoda" newer?

Quote: another RUSICH

flies on the most ancient "strategists"

They fly, including on the V-2, which we are only going to successfully clone (not of course, but the concept). Have forgotten about the Tu-95 ????

[Days]

Only the most used remains the B-52, the same age as the Tu-95.

Yes, and it is not known who else has aviation older: http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/aging-array-of-american-aircraft-attracting-
attention-0901 /

[beard64]

...
and when there is a lot of smoke and dust .. \
- This laser pointer = able to work .. ???

[tomket]

Well, now it will begin, about cuts, loot, about stupid Americans, about coffins, about the electricity that this unit is eating, and generally about the stupidity of American scientists who invent different crap. What can we boast lately? Chubais?

[opus]

Quote: tomket

Well, now it will begin, about cuts, loot, about stupid Americans, about coffins, about electricity that this unit is eating, and generally about the stupidity of American scientists who invent different crap

already. From the very beginning of the branch. silly comments like:

Quote: industries_88

thought that the American General Atomics was ready to supply new zinc boxes for the heroes of the ATO

with a bias in ukrosituatsiya (required, but what)

Quote: another RUSICH

3.14ndosia never ceases to amaze.
already how much money is being tricked into some kind of absurd and fantastic projects!

you might think another RUSICH & Co is very concerned about the American dough and its "cut"

Quote: tomket

What can we boast lately? Chubais?

[tomket]

Quote: opus

worried about the American dough and its "cut"

I remember back in the days of Russian mass nanoystery, Chubais complained about the fact that Rusnano would be glad to invest in some projects, but just did not see these projects in Chubais. Mother Kulibin became impoverished in the land, because he doesn’t invest and there are no results. I then thought that if Chubais was torn from the feeder, then there would be Kulibins and interesting projects would appear on the horizon. In the meantime, while GDP holds Chubais, we can only make Americans laugh. This is so patriotic! The guarantor will approve!

[opus]

Quote: tomket

Therefore, he does not invest and there are no results.

The goal of Chubais, as in the IPO RAE UES- IPO RUSNANO.
Further, the scheme is worked out, it will receive in the pocket 10-20bn $ + through affiliated structures control over 30% of the shares.
Accounts Chamber Reports:“Anatoly Chubais arranged for his privatization structures to regularly receive preferential Western loans totaling more than TWO BILLION dollars. The money was used to“ develop privatization in Russia. ”Later, these dollars could not be found either by the RF Audit Chamber or the Ministry of Finance. According to information, some of them were still found by foreign special services, and not somewhere, but in the accounts of the Bank of New York. "

Quote: tomket

I then thought that if Chubais was torn from the feeder, then there would be Kulibins and interesting projects would appear on the horizon.

I remember and will not forget (privatization and RAO UES are god with them):
http://compromatwiki.org/img_auth.php/Converted_11820.jpg
O.L .: What do you think of Alfred Koch's trip to Barbados?

FBI: We are well aware of this journey, and we have the very letter that you hold in your hands. First, pay attention to where Alfred Koch worked in 1996: he was the deputy chairman of the Ministry of State Property and the right-hand man of the then vice-premier Anatoly Chubais. But it was precisely in January that Chubais had practically completed the privatization of Russian property and had already begun preparations for the presidential campaign of Boris Yeltsin. As we became aware, at the beginning of the 1996, Anatoly Borisovich urgently needed a mechanism for “withdrawing abroad” the billions received as a result of privatization, as well as “washing” some of them for further referral to Boris Yeltsin’s campaign. And of course, Bank of New York was an ideal option for Chubais.

"Closed" report of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation on the results of the inspection of the State Property Committee for the period from 1992 to 1995:

“Of particular concern is the seizure by foreign firms of controlling stakes in leading Russian defense industry enterprises and even entire industries. American and British firms acquired controlling stakes inMAPO MIG, Sukhoi Design Bureau, Design Bureau named after Yakovleva ”,“ Aviakompleks im. Ilyushin "," Design Bureau named. Antonova ”, producing complex systems and flight control systems for aircraft. The German company Simmens acquired more than 20% of the Kaluga Turbine Plant, which produces unique equipment for nuclear submarines.

And how she sings .... you will hear:

[MACCABI-TLV]

Quote: opus

The goal of Chubais, as in the IPO RAE UES- IPO RUSNANO.
Further, the scheme is worked out, it will receive in the pocket 10-20bn $ + through affiliated structures control over 30% of the shares.
Reports of the Accounts Chamber: “Anatoly Chubais arranged for his privatization structures to regularly receive preferential Western loans totaling more than TWO BILLION dollars. The money was used to“ develop privatization in Russia. ”Later, these dollars could not be found by either the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation or the Ministry of Finance And according to some information, some of them were still found by foreign special services, and not somewhere, but in the accounts of the Bank of New York. "

1) So why, is he still not sitting?
2) WHO roofs it so carefully, and most importantly ... why?

[opus]

Quote: MACCABI-TLV

1) So why, is he still not sitting?

When Putin was asked, "Why isn't Chubais in prison?"
He replied, - nothing to plant it

Quote: MACCABI-TLV

2) WHO roofs it so carefully, and most importantly ... why?

The leader of the nation responded in an interview ....
During the “direct line”, Vladimir Putin announced that during the privatization of the 90s, “surrounded by Anatoly Borisovich (Chubais), as it turned out today, US CIA personnel worked as advisers. But the funniest thing is that when they returned to the USA they were attracted to court for the fact that, in violation of the laws of their country, they enriched themselves during privatization in the Russian Federation. And they did not have the right to do this as acting intelligence officers. Under the law, inside the USA they were forbidden to engage in any kind of commercial activity, but they could not resist - corruption, you know. ”

[saag]

Satellites fry the most, no atmospheric interference, compact size and decent power, if they try to shoot down such a device, it will have a chance to fire a rocket, in general, a space fighter can be made from this in the form of an X-4 * already hanging a couple of years in orbit, here is a payload for him

[K-50]

Quote: saag

Satellites fry the most, no atmospheric interference, compact size and decent power

And where will the satellites get so much electricity? Accumulate a year from solar panels for one shot?

[saag]

Quote: K-50

Accumulate a year from solar panels for one shot?

What do you think so bad about solar panels? There may be various options - fuel cells + batteries, solar panels + batteries, 100 kW in tandem is quite capable of giving out, and the satellite is even half dead

[MACCABI-TLV]

Quote: K-50

Accumulate a year from solar panels for one shot?

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AF%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%80%
D0%B5%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%
D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D
1%82%D0%B0%D1%85

[coconut]

Quote: Captive

Is our mentality like that? If that starts to turn out not bad right there is a mode of silence. A pinTosam succeeded, did not succeed the main thing is to crow louder.

Advertising engine cut!

[HAM]

I think that such an energy can be achieved only by applying nuclear pumping, the name of the company is not alarming? Or maybe it’s also to fall into a coherent impulse, by chance.

[tomket]

Quote: HAM

nuclear pumping

Why not? after all, there were projects of atomic tanks and aircraft.

[K-50]

Quote: tomket

Why not? after all, there were projects of atomic tanks and aircraft

There was a lot of delirium, and now what to consider that it is all realizable?
And with nuclear pumping, devices are only disposable.

[The stranger]

4 kilograms per kilowatt ...
Is it 4 kg of photons in each kilowatt of radiation, or what? Damn it, they heard the word "photon gas" somewhere and came up with a way to dissolve officials :) To be honest, I really envy them, this is almost equivalent to the problems of ozone dirr and 2 years in computers :) The greatest divorce for wild grandmothers.
I didn’t understand what kind of a laser it was, such an entire quantum one. There are carbon dioxide lasers, they have an efficiency of 40%. But they are the only ones. For all other active laser media, the quantum efficiency is from unity to hundredths of a percent. And there is nothing you can do with any engineering tricks, because nature has ordered it so. The substance is so arranged. Electrons do not want to jump either faster, or more economically, or more often, or even at the request of the Pentagon ensign.
E-mine, and why all the best jokes come up with others, not me? ... (((

[K-50]

Quote: Alien

4 kilograms per kilowatt ...
Is it 4 kg of photons in every kilowatt of radiation, or what?

This is the required mass of equipment for the production of one shot with a power of one kilowatt (well, there is actually the laser body, there may be a guidance and cooling system).
Plus, you need a mobile power station of suitable capacity, fuel supply, tracking systems, and a couple of witches, to disperse clouds with your hands or wait until clear and dry weather sets in

[zulusuluz]

It remains to put on the wheels a mini-nuclear power plant to power it is a miracle ...

[Vladimir.]

What kind of delusions?
What is the cut of the dough? Their technologies are developing, but we have what? You are not looking over the hill! But at your "home" (country).

We also had a lot of things, for example.
The super tank T-90, which is the T-72 B3. Is there a difference? Yes, in the price of the tanks.

Or our advanced drones, which I can buy in the store. In the United States, for a long time, toys such as quadcopters, etc. are widespread, but in our country, they say, few have seen it, so it will be "innovation"!

[barik92090]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Electricity can also be let down. And what can be done about atmospheric breakdown? This is the main (but not the only) restriction on the implementation of laser weapons. And it does not get around, nor jump over. These are physical laws that are not canceled at the request of the bigwigs from the arms business.

But if you clean the atmosphere with refreshing precipitation, warm to dryness, vacuum, ban smoking, picnics, car exhausts and spoil the air loudly, the beam will pass through the oil like a knife, but weakened by lack of funding.

[Maxwrx]

Here, many write not about the purpose of lasers. The main task of these lasers is to shoot down drones, cheap missiles, and mines. At a short distance. At a relatively far distance - illumination of the target, failure of optical instruments, etc. For these purposes, you do not need any excessive amount of energy that is generated on small devices. For example, a container based on a truck shot down mortar mines and drones. ABM, laser guns, machine guns, etc. - This is a distant future, and the tested products are suitable for use now, 5-10 years of testing and development and will be adopted as an indispensable element.

[voyaka uh]

In addition to the applications you have listed, there is also the interception of missiles BB and SAM. Such an installation
can protect a military transport helicopter and aircraft from missile attacks.
Advantage: strict machine, without human intervention. No shooters, etc.
For installation on fighters, the defensive laser is still too heavy (large
weight).

[The stranger]

No, it's all clear. The point is the absurdity of the figure. An energy source the size of a city thermal power station and a herd of trucks with service equipment there, is not the issue. With efficiency = 1, which is impossible in principle, but we will accept it, this means that 750 kW for each shot must be pumped in this head, and already here all the bikes about the reduced weight efficiency go into the category of jokes for advanced third-year students after the third pile. Moreover, without taking into account the cooling of the system, because it does not need it, just agreed to an efficiency of one.
And since it is much smaller, then cooling becomes the dominant problem, even ahead of the problem of supplying the required power. This is why everything that at least managed to give a flash is on huge planes? Here for gas-dynamic lasers (they are one of the types of flowing CO2 lasers) - one of the engines and gives the right amount of gas at the right flow rate, another one works only for turbo-refrigerators, and then the plane is always on the brink of fire, and the laser is essentially not for which is not good. It does not knock anyone down and does not turn the tank into a pool of solidifying iron. So instead of a laser, it turns out a stove for 100500 lard bucks, in which, along with a laser, the dream of a laser gun burns out.

[beer-youk]

It reminds me vaguely of the Star Wars program - a lot of noise and ... nothing. Is that the dough has been drunk immeasurably. Whoever remembers how much General Electric and Lockheed have become - respect!

[Pomah]

Cut dough lives and wins!

[voyaka uh]

As was the case with missile defense, and with stealth aviation, at first in Russia everyone declares "a cut
dough ", and then belatedly begin to design the PAK-FA and S-500.
I can safely say that this will be the case with lasers. They have already begun to be accepted.
in service in the United States and Israel. There is little time for swinging.

[poquello]

Quote: voyaka uh

As was the case with missile defense, and with stealth aviation, at first in Russia everyone declares "a cut
dough ", and then belatedly begin to design the PAK-FA and S-500.
...

Gorbatov sculpt not tired?

the technological breakthrough of the Americans in the production of "stealth" was associated with the emigration to the USA of A. Ufimtseva, who was involved in the work on the creation of invisible people.
For many years A. Ufimtsev did the same in the USSR. And not only him. According to Sergei Korotkov, chief designer of the P. Sukhoi Design Bureau, "there are a number of teams that, after his departure, dealt with this problem."

and the C500 is not an Aegis at all

[Blackmokona]

We also saw our Indies, but the S-500 is more likely an analogue of Thadov

Russia intends to create its own missile defense system by analogy with the American Aegis. This was stated by the head of the department of state defense orders of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Anatoly Shlemov. Experts say that Russia may face "serious problems." The first attempt was made back in Soviet times, but the system was not brought to mind.

[poquello]

Quote: BlackMokona

We also saw our Indies, but the S-500 is more likely an analogue of Thadov

Russia intends to create its own missile defense system by analogy with the American Aegis. This was stated by the head of the department of state defense orders of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Anatoly Shlemov. Experts say that Russia may face "serious problems." The first attempt was made back in Soviet times, but the system was not brought to mind.

Well, then they probably read it, or did Kutsi get the material?
the low cost of the system allows it to be used for simple purposes, oh yes "experts"

[Blackmokona]

Would put a quote

[dchegrinec]

so as not to mislead anyone, you can offer America another show of fights with their laser installation and show that they are bullshit spending so many billions and got a Chinese toy at the end.

[MAZUTA-42]

This laser theme has already become boring. They will use up .... megawatts, burn a couple of auto hoods, put a tick and report to the top that the budget has been spent and you need a few more lards for an even cooler waffle. The budget is carefully mastered and mastered

[poquello]

Quote: MAZUTA-42

This laser theme has already become boring. They will use up .... megawatts, burn a couple of auto hoods, put a tick and report to the top that the budget has been spent and you need a few more lards for an even cooler waffle. The budget is carefully mastered and mastered

yeah nafig them, already tired of advertising backward technologies

[The stranger]

Yes, it's not about backwardness. If that were true, then the technology would be very advanced. God is with a journalist - his job is simply to tell many people what he heard where he saw it. The fact is that they are already lying at the level of the sixth grader - dvoeshnik. Holding everyone to idiots over. From which they are no longer ashamed to grind uniform nonsense. What does they have nonsense even on batteries :))
Well, in the previous posts I was mistaken, not 750 kW at him, but only 300. Okay. So every second we swell in 2 cubic meters of something, per megawatt, or 10 MW of any pumping energy, just before the battery runs out? And not to the brainwash of a braggart? They didn’t give a damn about themselves and the General Atomic Device, better than the active zone of a nuclear reactor, so that 2 cubes of unknown secret stuff can withstand such a heat load without even plunging into the river even from the Danube, say.
Sorry. Golden ages ended long ago, when lying to advertisements by more than 10 percent was considered a shame. Now they carry utter nonsense, and do not even blush.
Disgusting.

[Blackmokona]

I don’t understand why everyone is trying to constantly put nuclear power plants? And burn megatons of fuel and uranium?

http://energoholding.ru/catalog/gen-1361/
400 kW civilian ordinary diesel generator
Dimensions in mm, 4580x1500x2235. According to the dimensions of the norms at all.
Fuel consumption of 70 liters per hour.
Weight 4,5 tons
The cost of 3,6 million rubles or 70 thousand bucks.
That is, everything is easily placed on some kind of tank, in maximum power and with continuous fire.

[romashki74]

Saw the Shura, saw ... Read more here-


http://jenkers.com/ru?_escaped_fragment_=t%3D5780774#!t=5780774

[The stranger]

As far as the question was raised what will be the rocket from the laser, and whether it is worth wrapping it with foil or asbestos bandages, here is an example of how and what can happen. This is a small (20 W) medical continuous CO2 laser (radiation wavelength - 10,6 microns). It shoots through a telephoto lens, the focus area itself is about a inch from the device.
Sorry, please for the chaos, this was not intended as a finished video, and was caused by about the same dispute on another site.
If something is not clear - I will explain.

http://tube.offroad-bulgaria.com/video/096c5e0fcc8dd42ab6d

And so - the topic of the interaction of laser radiation with matter is a separate bottomless story.

[Landwarrior]

From the Soviet era there should be enough people to understand what you can spend time and money on, and what is a dead end and a "black hole". Combat lasers are too slippery.