War through the eyes of German pilots

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The effective advance intelligence service largely contributed to the rapid advance of the Nazis into the USSR.

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German aviation captured air supremacy in the early days of the war. Preemptive attacks on Soviet airfields disabled thousands of Soviet fighters, bombers, attack aircraft. Communications were disrupted, ammunition depots burned. Command and control was disorganized. Leading desperate battles of the Red Army, finding themselves without air cover, suffered huge losses.



In the first week of the war, about 6000 Soviet aircraft were destroyed on the ground and in the air. On the second day of the war, the losses of the Red Army air forces amounted to 600 aircraft, the losses of the Luftwaffe - 12 aircraft. Such statistics was shot by one of the leaders of the Red Army Air Force, Lieutenant General Kopets.



The effective advance intelligence service greatly contributed to the rapid advance of the Hitlerites deep into the USSR. Including - aviation, the key element of which was reconnaissance aircraft - Hs 126 and Fw-189 - the famous "frames". Tracking the movements of the Soviet troops, they directed bomber squadrons to the target, conducted aerial surveys, provided communication, corrected artillery fire.



The Focke-Wulfs of the 189-series began to be developed in February of the 1937 of the year. They were to replace the Hs 126 (Henschel) short-range intelligence officer. The scout had an asymmetrical cockpit location: on the right wing. The engine was located in the nose of the center section.



The first aircraft of the head series was ready at the beginning of 1940. The machine was armed with two MG17 machine guns in the wing root and a portable MG15 machine gun to protect the rear hemisphere. On the plane mounted 4 bomb racks on 50 kg. Intelligence equipment consisted of a single camera. Military trials began in the fall of 1940, and machines began to arrive at the front after the attack on the USSR. The first part to receive the FW 189A was the 2 squad of the 11 th reconnaissance group.



In the future, the aircraft was in service with almost all short-range reconnaissance groups. Excellent visibility from the cockpit and good maneuverability perfectly suited to its purpose. True, on the Eastern Front, FW 189 mastered another specialty. Several vehicles were transferred to the 1 squadron 100 night fighter squadron. The detachment was called "Railway Night Hunter" and was intended to fight the Soviet software-2, plagued the German transport by rail.



The winter offensive of the Red Army 1941 of the year led to heavy losses in personnel, the Luftwaffe began to feel a shortage of trained crews and aircraft, for this reason a number of reconnaissance units were disbanded. The newly created Nahauflklarungs-gruppen consisted of three squadrons (in practice, very few groups actually had three staffs in their team).



In December 1941, the 9-I German army, under the blows of General Konev’s formations, left Kalinin. In the conditions of a harsh winter, the preparation of aircraft for flight caused many difficulties. In the reconnaissance units of the Luftwaffe, there was a shortage of spare parts, fuel, and people. These problems caused another reorganization, during which the number of individual squadrons again decreased, and now Fw-189A-l aircraft (later-Fw-189A-2) prevailed in the combat units.



According to German military historians, flights to the near reconnaissance on the Eastern Front became more and more dangerous. In some units, the crews of the scouts were cut to one person, many observers had to be sent to short-term pilot courses. Flight training of yesterday’s observers was clearly insufficient - losses continued to grow. For this reason, newcomers managed to perform only one or two sorties before they were shot down.



The Wehrmacht offensive in May 1942 in the Kharkiv region temporarily stopped the onslaught of the Red Army in the southern sector of the Eastern Front. The Germans got a breather, during which they managed to make up for the losses in people and technology. The Fw-189 scouts demonstrated high combat survivability on occasion.



19 May 1942, two MiG-3 fighters attacked a German reconnaissance over the Taman Peninsula. Soviet fighters damaged the left engine of the "frame", knocked out all defensive weapons, however, the scout managed to land at the advanced airfield. When landing, the left main landing gear broke and the left wing plane was crumpled, but the aircraft was repaired in a short time, replacing the engine, landing gear support and wing plane.



In September 1942 of the year on the Eastern Front there was an 174 scout Fw-189.

The fierce battles for Stalingrad at the end of the summer of 1942 of the year once again put on the agenda the question of exceptionally high losses in the German armed forces. The Luftwaffe reconnaissance units suffered greatly. September 18 “frame” under cover of four fighters Bf.109 was engaged in the correction of artillery firing, when a group of German aircraft attacked the Soviet fighters. The first to damage the "frame" Ivan Balyuk, finished off the scout the commander of the group of Soviet fighters Mikhailik. Fw-189 fell on the left wing, and then crashed to the ground. The crew of the plane was killed.



Another two-gang reconnaissance Soviet pilots shot down the next day, 19 September. In the battle for Stalingrad, the losses of the Luftwaffe intelligence units in men and vehicles averaged 25%. The command of the Luftwaffe once again had to reorganize.



During the Red Army’s counteroffensive on advanced airfields, the Germans threw incompetent “frames”, but the surviving planes continued to help General Paulus’s surrounded 6 army.



December 17 once again distinguished himself as a fighter pilot Mikhailik in a heavy duel, who shot down a “frame” (“P2 + BV”). On the same day, in the area of ​​Davydovka, Fw-189 reconnaissance from NAG-16 corrected artillery firing. The scout was accompanied by fighters Bf. 109. German planes attacked the Soviet couple: the commander Ivan Maksimenko, the slave - Chumbarev. Chumbarev wasted all the ammunition, and then rammed the frame, cutting off one tail girder Fw-189 with the propeller's propeller. The crew of the scout — Chief sergeant-major Meyer, non-commissioned officer Schmidt and the corporal Sova — could not leave the plane that had fallen.



By the beginning of February, the Luftwaffe 1943 had lost almost five hundred aircraft and nearly a thousand people on the Eastern Front. Near-intelligence units have lost approximately 150 aircraft, mostly - Fw-189.



The defeat at Stalingrad marked the beginning of the Wehrmacht’s retreat on the entire Soviet-German front. The retreat caused another reorganization of the close-range aviation reconnaissance units that were armed with the Fw-189 aircraft.



The activity of the Luftwaffe near-air reconnaissance units declined, while the activity of Soviet fighters increased, and the accuracy and density of anti-aircraft artillery fire increased. Increasingly, the crews of the German scouts had to engage in air combat; in 1943, on average, on 90 Fw-189 sorties accounted for one "frame" brought down by fire from the ground.



From May 1943, the Fw-189 aircraft began to be attracted to fight against partisans. In early July, German troops launched the strategic offensive on the Eastern Front, the operation “Citadel”, during the war. The scouts tried to track the movement of the Soviet troops. In the battles over the Kursk Bulge, pilots of the Normandy armed squadron of the Yak-1 fighters distinguished themselves by the Free French armed forces. Pilots Lefebvre and la Puap attacked and shot down one Fw-189, the second reconnaissance Litolph and Castelen recorded the squadron, the third Marcel Albert and Albert Pretsiosi.



July 12 Red Army troops launched a counteroffensive from the Kursk area. The Fw-189 scouts revealed the deployment of Soviet units, but the Germans had no reserves to plug all the holes in their defenses. Two days after the start of the counteroffensive, the Red Army liberated Orel and Belgorod from the Nazi invaders.



A big problem for the crews of the scouts are the newest Soviet fighters La-5 with a silhouette very similar to Fw-190. Now the "frames" tried to cross the front line at extremely low altitude, but still the numerical superiority of the Soviet fighters, along with the strengthening of air defense systems of the ground forces, put an end to the successful activities of the intelligence officers. Especially tight German fighters who accompanied the Fw-189, had after the appearance at the front of the Yak-3 aircraft, at low altitudes, had absolute superiority over any Luftwaffe fighter. Soviet pilots treated Fw-189 with respect. The fighter pilot A. Semenov in his memoirs wrote:

- “Rama”, adjusting artillery fire, strongly annoyed our ground forces. An aircraft of this type was a challenging target for fighter pilots. Shooting down the "frame" is not an easy task, even more difficult than shooting down a Bf.109 fighter or a Ju-88 bomber.



It seems that the famous ace Alexander Pokryshkin spoke about the German Fw-189, who considered the shot down frame the most objective indicator of the skill of a fighter pilot.



Toward the end of the war, Fw-189 aircraft began to be involved in night reconnaissance flights, for which special equipment was installed on some of the vehicles. Most often, the "frames" were visual intelligence.



From the summer of 1944, the Fw-189 aircraft could not be used to solve tactical aviation support tasks anymore, since the “frames” became the top priority target for the Red Army air force fighters. In some cases, Fw-189 involved in the conduct of psychological warfare-throwing leaflets. There is a legend that allegedly during one of these sorties the crew of the "frame" shot down the Soviet fighter ... with leaflets. "Rama" poured paper cargo in front of the Soviet aircraft, the pilot lost spatial orientation and lost control; fighter crashed.



In the winter of 1944-45. Fw-189 aircraft operated mainly over Poland and the “protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia”. Part of the damaged scouts the Germans threw on the Polish and Czech airfields during the retreat.



.A few Fw-189 (known about eight aircraft, two of them are of Czech production), the German troops threw at the Norwegian airfields. Most of the aircraft were dismantled by the British in the fall of 1945. In an unofficial manner, one Fw-189 was handed over to the Norwegian Air Force; this car was removed from service in May, 1946.

Only one Fw-189 W.Nr. survived. 0173, which flew in the UK for a while.


























According to the site www. wunderwaffe.narod.ru
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  1. +22
    19 March 2012 08: 45
    Davolno little-known pages of the great war. Thank! I read it with pleasure.
    1. +11
      18 September 2017 00: 49
      Quote: Dmitriy69
      pages of the great war
      - The enormous and well-trained strength and power of fascist Germany was crushed by a country that was demolished 12-15 years before the war. And whatever they say, one must pay tribute to the genius of the person who made our Motherland the strongest country in the world - Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin.
      1. 0
        6 October 2017 17: 02
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        The enormous and well-trained strength and power of fascist Germany was crushed by a country that was demolished 12-15 years before the war.

        Well, actually, Germany took the development path later than the USSR, five years like that. And before that, too, did not flourish, crushed by reparations and indemnities
        1. 0
          16 November 2017 21: 16
          Quote: verner1967
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          The enormous and well-trained strength and power of fascist Germany was crushed by a country that was demolished 12-15 years before the war.

          Well, actually, Germany took the development path later than the USSR, five years like that. And before that, too, did not flourish, crushed by reparations and indemnities

          Well, actually, Russia has embarked on a development path from a much lower start. Civil war and its consequences as an impact on industry? So we were catching up with Germany. And then, thanks to Stalin, they overtook. And opposed the industrial potential of all of Europe.
        2. +1
          30 March 2018 10: 43
          Well yes. And the fact that it produced 1 times more than Russia during 10 MV aircraft than Russia, and with a full production cycle, does not matter. And the fact that in Germany no military operations were conducted at all. About the lack of strategic bombing, I am silent ...
          If at such an "initial level" she has not yet "embarked on the path of development," then what can we say about the time when she "stood up". And the rest of Europe, which she occupied, also "did not stand up"?
  2. +30
    19 March 2012 09: 05
    The material is interesting, once again we are convinced that we won a strong opponent.
    1. +7
      30 November 2016 16: 19
      Yes, of course it’s interesting, but as for the losses on the second day of the war, the backlash of all 12 aircraft is a big doubt.
      Here's an example:
      According to Olaf Gröhler, who relied on reports from the 6 department of the Quartermaster General of the Luftwaffe, in the first week of fighting, the Germans lost 280 aircraft irrevocably and 165 - damaged; in two weeks - 429 and 247 vehicles, respectively (taking into account refinements on the losses of the first week).
      1. +2
        19 December 2016 12: 57
        The introduction to the article sets out a blatant lie, and then comes the normal material. This is a method of ideological warfare. Stalin left the aircraft for later. Arrests and executions of the highest command level, or rather the last wave of repressions, began on June 1, 1941 and continued until February 23, 1942, when the last group of senior officers of the Air Force was shot. Thus, the Air Force was beheaded virtually to the regimental level. inclusive .... The Black Sea Fleet aviation was generally inactive - the commander was waiting for instructions from above, but they weren’t received and the planes were sitting .... The bulk of the planes were thrown into a panic at their aerodromes or after flying to an unequipped oh, not mine .... The Germans did not deliver massive strikes at all airfields, they didn’t have such an opportunity ...... Airplanes were not concentrated at several airfields, and the attack efficiency on them was not very high .... .This fairy tale was invented for you later in order to justify and forever hide the shame of panic and flight in the early days of the war due to the lack of leadership at all levels of the army and the air force. The commanding staff was repressed and intimidated to an unprecedented degree .... to the regimental level, not to mention the divisional level, is actually full Stu were destroyed and replaced by inexperienced and informers careerists .......
        1. +6
          21 December 2016 01: 55
          Where are you creatures from ...
          1. +1
            2 October 2017 19: 06
            Quote: Mestny
            Where are you creatures from ...

            stop talking to the mirror, it’s harmful for the head, the flow starts. maybe the squirrel has already visited you? Sad though wassat
        2. +8
          19 February 2017 19: 12
          hear! Where did you hatch from? Suvorov-Rezun apparently read Solzhenitsyn. One traitor defector and another camp informer, and also a traitor.
        3. +2
          2 October 2017 19: 01
          Quote: okko077
          The introduction to the article sets out a blatant lie, and then comes the normal material.

          In addition to the numbers, the frame description touched:
          Fokke-Wulfs 189-series began to be developed in February 1937 ... ... The scout had an asymmetric cockpit arrangement: on the right wing. The engine was located in the bow of the center section.
          The author even didn’t look at the pictures that he posted and instead of Fw 189 describes the design of Blohm & Voss BV 141
          And yet, I didn’t find anything related to the title of the article except definitely minus.
        4. 0
          30 March 2018 10: 57
          Your scary fairy tale is even more fantastic. In fact, they shot a little. Especially in the Western District. There generally was a complete betrayal of the highest authorities. Starting with Commander Pavlov. They did everything to surrender the district, hoping to become Gauleiter under the Germans. And they handed over. In other districts, they complied with the General Staff directive of 18.06.41/XNUMX/XNUMX, which they are trying to hush up, and brought the districts on alert. Therefore, nowhere except the western direction did the Germans and Romanians break through. The fleet had no casualties at all. This is not an accident.
          Therefore, as soon as they shot through a remarkable group of senior Air Force officers, things started to get better in the air. The war puts everything in its place. Peacetime army prone to self-destruction
      2. 0
        21 September 2017 17: 02
        I met the figure of 400 downed Germans on the first day. And 500 shot down by 02.43 years - generally black fascist fiction. Maybe downed "frames"?
      3. 0
        30 March 2018 10: 47
        According to the Soviet General Staff - 400 only on the first day. But in the subsequent, apparently, less. Since the number of Soviet aircraft was rapidly decreasing, the transportation of fuel and ammunition to airfields was also disorganized.
  3. +31
    19 March 2012 09: 18
    Amazed at the quality of the pictures.
    I know that German optics is excellent ... but, such a quality was amazing.

    All the more respect and respect for our pilots. Not chopped off with nonsense. And at the limit of forces and means. And - they won.

    I emphasize once again - the Russia-Germany alliance is a guaranteed ... peace, or kirdyk - to the world.
    As you like more.
    1. Eugene
      +25
      19 March 2012 09: 40
      And what's unique? The basic rule of optical printing says that the maximum possible increase in printing is 10 times. For emulsions of those years, every 5 times without visible grain, with a relatively speaking 300dpi, it will be up to 10x15, let the monitor be 100 dpi. Since the resolution of the moniks does not reach the printing standard, when reduced to 300 dpi, the size of these pictures will become even smaller.

      As for the photo chronicle frames. Ours and German is UG compared to the American of those years. For the Germans ran narrow with Leica, ours, too, with some kind of garbage. And the Americans had the correspondents of Graflex with a sheet of 4 "x5", and they shot on the greatest film of all time - Kodakhrom.
      Of course, all this when it was possible to deploy this monster - that is, not in the heat of battle.

      Here are some examples:



      1942 year.









      1. +5
        19 March 2012 10: 38
        Yeah ... and in that color.
        Are these originals of those years, or is modern retouching already?

        And I was delighted that there is no blur, so the shutter speed is minimal. So - the grain should have been. In short, the circle is obtained. This is about distant objects. Personal pictures are nothing special here, although it is clear that they are live, not staged.
        1. Eugene
          +13
          19 March 2012 11: 44
          This is the real color of that film, if you see the pictures have an easy departure into the blue, as if metallized. This is her feature. Scratches probably glossed over.
          This slide film, it was produced from 1933 to 2007 seems. Unique. But Kodak killed her (And now he almost died.
          Kodak is what Americans should be respected for.
          1. +6
            19 March 2012 15: 45
            They can be respected for a lot. But...
            Once, Russia refused to help England and France crush the colonists. Even the colonel of the tsarist army was a general among them.
            But they, the colonists, were happy to crush the USSR.
            Government...
            1. elfxnumx
              +2
              19 March 2012 21: 40
              learn history france just helped the colonists
          2. +4
            19 March 2012 20: 48
            Quote: Eugene
            But Kodak killed her (And now he’s almost dead. Kodak is what Americans should be respected for.

            Everything died, did not fit into the new technological order
          3. Passing
            +6
            20 March 2012 19: 53
            Quote: Eugene
            This is the real color of that film, if you see the pictures have an easy departure into the blue, as if metallized. This is her feature.

            Here is something that tells me that this is the usual Photoshop color correction. Old films do not have such saturated and pure colors, such a width of the dynamic range. Suffice it to recall Hollywood color films before the digital age.
            And typical military shots look like this:


            Please note that the colors are not juicy (green is not green, the sky is not blue), the shadows are failed (there are no details in the shadows, just a dark spot)
            1. +6
              20 March 2012 22: 53
              not so long ago I climbed into the attic of my house and stumbled upon a box with slides that I shot 30 years ago. I looked with pleasure. The colors remained the same juicy. And I didn’t shoot on kodakchrom naturally but on something simpler. This is what I that the slide film was originally intended for a large increase, on slide projectors, for example, and high requirements were put forward for it. The slide film is much higher than usual in terms of performance. So I completely believe that the photo is without photoshop.
            2. Eugene
              +2
              21 March 2012 00: 50
              Attention! You do not have permission to view hidden text.


              У slide positive photos dynamic range photo latitude is not high, but the contrast is very high. Reaches 3.8D and higher on a logarithmic scale with a 10th base.

              About the same. I haven’t seen these slides myself personally. But examples on the Internet from them are very often similar in terms of color reproduction. There are some examples of better / worse - maybe the result of storage or testing, there is a very complex process that in 2007 only one or two laboratories in the world did. Your first example is unsuccessful, because I don’t know what to do to get such sharpness from a sheet of film 2 by 4 inches.
              .
              This film is not quite color .. it is, as it were, black and white with 3 individually applicable color layers. And the advanced technology of this film could hardly be achieved on normal color only in the 90s.

              About the movie. It is necessary to watch a specific film and find out what they shot, the codrome was used for cinema, but I’m not sure that only it. I have to watch. I'm not very good at it.

              Once again about the correction. If it is, then I assure you, that means there are simple linear distortions in the film that can be easily processed, otherwise you will get such a half-ton. The same color Agfa of those years is uzhos, uzhos.

              In general, look again at these photos. They have a volume! Not like the current digital kenanah. This, incidentally, is a completely scientific fact.
            3. +2
              21 September 2017 17: 13
              I’ve been a photographer for 30 years and do color correction every day. No Photoshop ace will do anything serious with a lack of dynamic range, saturation and detail. So the pictures are really high quality. Another thing is that there were few. And perhaps the backlight screens were used.
              I also had to see high-quality German photographs on Agfa. Everything depends on the width of the film, equipment and the photographer himself. For "Time", the window dressing was done at a high level.
        2. schta
          +3
          19 March 2012 13: 26
          The real ones.
        3. +3
          20 March 2012 11: 58
          The scripts of course. True, everything is made far from the places of battles, at bases, factories, etc.
        4. 0
          30 September 2019 00: 20
          As usual, the propaganda of the great Russian world, the pictures provoked real discussions and the fakes, the great Russian army draped with huge losses from Belarus to Moscow, losing equipment and people in packs, and only in 1944 regained its borders, the estates drove the enemy out of their territory, and here they write that the Germans lost it, lost it, if it weren’t for Lengwiz it was the help that America and England had been constantly supplying equipment with barges, then the USSR would have lived like a ball by 1943, and how many Soviet soldiers died from 1944 to 1945 aete read but not in the literature pitinskoy
      2. +2
        21 March 2012 21: 38
        Frankly, the quality of German shots surprised me. But yusovskie !!! It is something! Thanks for the selection. And thanks to the author of the article. I learned a lot of interesting things.
    2. pavelk
      +1
      19 March 2012 20: 37
      FYI

      Color photos BB2. USA side.

      http://historylink101.com/ww2_color/

      Who has any links to domestic color photos - aviation, pilots ...?
      1. +1
        20 March 2012 11: 41
        pavelk, try climbing on waralbum.ru
  4. vostok-47
    +1
    19 March 2012 09: 19
    So that's where the word "kopeck" came from
  5. +5
    19 March 2012 10: 07
    The article evoked the memory of Saint-Exupery ... I flew in Lightning ... It was a scout plane ... his "Little Prince" was the best that was written for children ... and for adults too ... ...
    1. 755962
      0
      19 March 2012 12: 35
      I suggest that such an article appears on this site. And about "Lighting" and about Exupery. What will the moderators say?
    2. Eugene
      0
      19 March 2012 14: 15
      Hmm Lightning is it a heavy 2 engine escort fighter?
      1. +1
        19 March 2012 15: 39
        No, it seemed to me Boston. Bomber.
        True, I am not a specialist.
        1. Wolkin
          0
          19 March 2012 16: 21
          The first photo, this is the A-20 "Boston" The third photo, the B-25 "Mitchell"
      2. 755962
        +7
        19 March 2012 21: 10
        Lockheed P-38 Lightning (Lockheed P-38 Lightning, translated as “Lightning”) is an American heavy fighter and reconnaissance aircraft created in the late 1930s. Widely used by the US Air Force during World War II, especially in the Pacific theater of operations. On the P-38 flew two of the most successful fighter pilots in the history of American military aviation - Richard Ira Bong and Thomas McGuire, as well as the famous French writer Antoine de Saint-Exupery (allegedly was shot down over the Mediterranean Sea by a German fighter Bf.109). Also on account of P-38 is a daring operation to eliminate the Japanese admiral Yamamoto over one of the Pacific islands on April 17, 1943. Eighteen Lightnings attacked and shot down a G4M bomber on which Yamamoto flew, as well as Zero fighter cover. Admiral is dead.
  6. Rodver
    +4
    19 March 2012 11: 02
    Yes, the Americans had not only military, but also photographic equipment was the most modern at that time, but people are winning the war, not technology.
    1. ZHORA
      +1
      19 March 2012 12: 23
      At this point, too, the most modern ...
      1. +5
        19 March 2012 15: 41
        I got it.
        Well, they can’t build normal houses.
        like a wind-hurricane - all the chicken coops are in the air.
        We only have shields.
        1. +4
          19 March 2012 16: 39
          Huh .... who is it so offended at me?
          Answer me, humiliated-and-insulted.
          Maybe I’ll understand the error ... say current.
        2. +3
          19 March 2012 20: 50
          Quote: Igarr
          Well, they can’t build normal houses.

          A normal house is expensive, and a switchboard is quickly inexpensively technologically advanced and insured.
          1. 0
            21 September 2017 17: 17
            They and the shield cost so much that by the time the mortgage ends, the mayor's office decides to demolish it due to disrepair. 30 years are calculated.
        3. +2
          27 November 2016 00: 44
          Duc, anyway, when the Yellowstone breaks, there will be nothing left of America. And when the Gulfstream turns away from Europe, then all of them will run to us: even in China they built cities for them - they are waiting for something.
    2. Wolkin
      +3
      19 March 2012 16: 24
      Photographic equipment was really advanced, but the photos provided are staged and probably made later.
  7. Olegovich
    +1
    19 March 2012 12: 33
    Yes, respectful selection. It shows once again how these bastards were organized, and what a great importance air supremacy is. Libya and Iraq are examples.
    Yes, if it weren’t for 41 years, the war would be completely different ...
  8. Wolkin
    +6
    19 March 2012 16: 49

    .. reconnaissance aircraft - Hs -126 and Fw-189 - the famous "frames" ....

    Hs -126, - as far as I know, the name was "Koltyl" Fw-189 frame - was a very difficult target because it had good maneuverability, solid (for this type) defensive armament and was usually accompanied by a pair of fighters. The article is 3 with a minus, therefore, the truth is mixed with lies, but I copied it for myself for the sake of photos. Who is interested in the first days of the war read the book by Alexei Isaev "The Battle of the Border 1941" Moscow "Yauza" "Eskimo" 2011. The study was conducted on a comparison of German and Soviet archival documents. It does not apply only to aviation, it covers the entire front from June 22 to July 10.
  9. Valera_UA
    +2
    19 March 2012 21: 35
    In most air shots - Kharkov)))
  10. Pathfinder
    +6
    19 March 2012 22: 35
    In the first week of the war, about 6000 Soviet aircraft were destroyed on the ground and in the air. On the second day of the war, the losses of the Red Army air forces amounted to 600 aircraft, the losses of the Luftwaffe - 12 aircraft. Such statistics was shot by one of the leaders of the Red Army Air Force, Lieutenant General Kopets.

    The German Air Force also suffered heavy damage. For the first 14 days of fighting, from June 22 to July 5, 1941 - 807 aircraft of all types, and for the period from July 6-19 - 477pcs (History of the Great Patriotic War of the USSR 1941-1945; v.2 p. 47)
    In total, by the end of 1941, the losses of the Luftwaffe amounted to about the same number of cars, as of June 21, 1941.
    Where the author takes the statistics of losses or “confuses” the figures can only be guessed.
    1. 0
      20 December 2016 08: 50
      Perhaps a game of numbers. In the documentary literature on the war, reports were found among the reports, such as: destruction of more than 75%. Those. while they appoint a commission, while the acts after the inspection, until they approve, while they write off ... And why should they be put in losses? Damaged board, and all statistics.
    2. 0
      2 October 2017 19: 17
      Quote: Pathfinder
      Where the author takes the statistics of losses or “confuses” the figures can only be guessed.
      sucks, the only question is where, personally I don’t know ...
      2samoletil18 do not block the lies of the author of the article, he himself must answer such questions, without lawyers.
  11. 16
    16
    0
    20 March 2012 00: 22
    Germans were always serious opponents !!!
  12. wax
    +2
    20 March 2012 10: 46
    The triumph of Anglo-Saxon politics on the European continent: two great nations for the second time in a century violently destroyed their best representatives,
  13. +1
    20 March 2012 13: 54
    So in a future war, "tomahawks", ATACMS, SADDARMs, etc. will fall on our heads. Plus, space reconnaissance and target designation means, and maybe also strike space means ...
    1. +2
      20 March 2012 17: 47
      Strategy,
      Can I send a good rope, I hope there is soap? bully
      1. +1
        20 December 2016 08: 52
        For his part, he is ready to help with soap. love love
  14. Municipality
    +7
    20 March 2012 21: 12
    So in a future war, "tomahawks", ATACMS, SADDARMs, etc. will fall on our heads. Plus, space reconnaissance and target designation means, and maybe also strike space means ...
    alarmists and cowards to shoot in place am
  15. mind1954
    0
    21 March 2012 04: 09
    It seems to me that I have heard about "Rama" from the cradle. And everything that I read
    about the war was filled with these "frames". Apparently, they are from the fighters
    left a lasting impression
  16. dimon87
    +1
    April 29 2012 15: 28
    Interesting pictures, I recall the ubiquitous frame from the Film "Come and See" http://voenhronika.ru/publ/vtoraja_mirovaja_vojna_sssr_khronika/22
  17. Deathfornazism
    0
    21 June 2013 23: 31
    I’m just wondering how it happened that Germany attacked suddenly. And what did those thousands of planes near the border and fighter pilots who were not taught aerial combat, but only attack?
    1. +2
      20 December 2016 09: 06
      That you read a lot of rezunov. According to information from various sources, I am depressed most of all: Germany's preemption in deploying a grouping against the USSR is from 24 to 28 days. Thanks to our ancestors, a huge country. In the presence of the will to Victory, the exchange of space for a while made it possible to concentrate and not only return what was lost, but also destroy the enemy with an increase in territories. Now, only the Gorbo-Yeltsin descendants did everything to make the task as easy as possible for the likely and potential "partners".
      And do not be ashamed of this exchange. We were 200 million, and the European invaders 400 million!
  18. +1
    9 February 2014 14: 05
    The Yak-1B fighter captured by the Germans of the squadron commander of the 148th fighter aviation regiment Leonid Smirnov at the airport. German identification marks have already been put on the plane, but the inscription is saved on board: "To the Stalin Falcon Smirnov Leonid from the workers of the Frunze district of the city of Saratov."

    From the report of 06.05.1943/XNUMX/XNUMX:

    “Captain Smirnov Leonid Dmitrievich, born in 1913, harvest. Kharkov, the commander of the air force 148 IAP, did not return from a combat mission to cover his troops in the Neberdzhaevskaya area on the Yak-1 aircraft. On the account had 7 + 4 enemy aircraft shot down.
    The whole four disappeared - Smirnov, Dronov, Tsirikov, Sviridov. ”
  19. +2
    9 February 2014 14: 13
    The text of the article is somewhat chaotic, but only for the photos is bold "+"
  20. 0
    27 November 2016 00: 49
    Interesting stuff. But the discussion flowed smoothly to another object - Kodak photographic equipment. Very Russian.
  21. 0
    28 November 2016 10: 08
    Shots of Soviet prisoners - an example of the actions of German intelligence?
  22. +3
    28 November 2016 13: 14
    I want to correct a little the author of the article. German aviation did not immediately seize the initiative.
    As Guderian wrote, they simply did not have enough aviation forces for everything.
    As a rule, part of the first raids on airfields fought off. But then, when it was necessary to prepare a 3+ sortie, problems started - staff and supplies were not designed for intensive sorties. I must say, this remained a long problem even in the elite units of the Red Army Air Force until the middle of the war. Over time, communications and supplies were knocked out for 2-3 days, all observation at the front line disappeared, the airfield received damage to the runway, anti-aircraft calculations exhausted ammunition (and depots were not available), and only after that everything that was on the airfield was destroyed. Often there was just such a scenario. Most pilots remained alive, but were often captured or stuck in the chaos of relocations somewhere. After 3-4 weeks of fighting, the Red Army Air Force almost no front-line fighter aircraft. And only after that it can be said that the initiative passed to the Germans. Often it was expressed in the fact that they ceased to be disturbed in the air, the attacks of the sb-2 and db3 bombers were unaccompanied by fighter jets and therefore suffered heavy losses and practically no reconnaissance existed. However, it would be false to think that this happened immediately. The truth is that the Germans broke the resistance of the aircraft far from immediately and far from bloodless. True, it is worth noting that in the early days of the war the Germans brought in many outdated aircraft due to the shortage of modern ones.
    And they suffered significant losses. First of all, on the southern part of the front.
  23. +2
    28 November 2016 16: 14
    Quote: 755962

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    755962 March 19, 2012 21:10 ↑
    Lockheed P-38 “Lightning” (eng. Lockheed P-38 Lightning, translated - “Lightning”) - an American heavy fighter and reconnaissance aircraft,

    Actually, by the time it landed in Normandy, the Lightning was hopelessly outdated for flights over Germany. American intelligence officers suffered heavy casualties. The Americans begged the British to provide them with reconnaissance Spitfires, but they refused until the American general beat the British general at billiards. After which the English gentleman ordered Spitfires for the Americans.
    By Exupery. In the French Air Force, he flew on a high-speed reconnaissance unit Block-174. He flew at high altitudes 10-11 km.
    But the Bf-109 got it there too. The drama was that the French had frozen machine gun grease at such heights and Block-174 was unarmed. But the Germans’s weapons worked flawlessly ... Only the one who managed to detect the interceptors in time and competently maneuver was saved.
  24. +2
    28 November 2016 16: 53
    There is a series of books behind the front line. Memoirs of German soldiers and officers. With good photographs and maps. There are few who can make a request to the Bundesarchif and receive all kinds of documents and stories electronically. Some are not free. But you can read online. Thus I have already read 187 books on paper. Kisselring, Guderian, Skorzeny, Otto Carius have good memoirs with photographs. Only they must be read carefully, such things must be filtered.
  25. 0
    28 November 2016 19: 06
    It was a good plane, but not ours! In the USSR, they tried to do something similar, but nothing went further than experiments.
    1. 0
      2 October 2017 19: 27
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      In the USSR, they tried to do something similar, but nothing went further than experiments.
      we didn’t have a state order for an artillery reconnaissance, it appeared only in 1946, and then Su (the model I don’t remember) passed the state test, they hacked me for not having jet engines ...
  26. 0
    4 December 2016 04: 36
    Quote from the article:
    On the second day of the war, the losses of the Red Army Air Force amounted to 600 aircraft, Luftwaffe losses - 12 aircraft. One of the leaders of the Red Army Air Force shot himself from such statistics. Lieutenant-General Kopec.

    Kopec was major general aviation.
    There is a version that Kopec allegedly shot himself, i.e. ended his life with suicide in his office, but he did not leave a suicide note, witnesses from among his colleagues, for example, the adjutant and others who were in the headquarters building, but there were a lot of military personnel who could reliably show that the general shot himself. There is evidence that on June 23, 1941 Kopets was still alive.
    Maybe their pilots shot General Kopts for treason.
    And the losses of the Zapovo Air Force on the first day of the war amounted to more than 700 aircraft, of which more than 500 were the latest.
  27. 0
    6 December 2016 12: 13
    informative. Thank!
  28. +1
    21 September 2017 22: 41
    “Rama” poured paper cargo in front of the nose of a Soviet aircraft, the pilot lost spatial orientation and lost control; fighter crashed

    Leaflets clogged the air intake. The engine overheated and the plane crashed.
    1. 0
      21 September 2017 23: 20
      More precisely, the engine stalled.
  29. 0
    27 September 2017 22: 22
    The scout had an asymmetric cockpit arrangement: on the right wing. The engine was located in the bow of the center section ... What kind of nonsense? This is about another plane.


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    1. 0
      2 October 2017 19: 29
      Quote: Uncle Zhenya
      The scout had an asymmetric cockpit arrangement: on the right wing. The engine was located in the bow of the center section ... What kind of nonsense? This is about another plane.
      And did you notice that too? wink I even wrote which one above.
  30. 0
    13 December 2017 23: 10
    Quote- "During the first week of the war, about 6000 Soviet aircraft were destroyed on the ground and in the air"
    Why not 600000, or 6000000? What did the author smoke when he wrote this? Was it really laziness to see how many aircraft TOTAL western districts had. Of these, combat-ready. Well lie, lie, but don’t lie.
    No doubt, the incompetent leadership of our Air Force, both at the army and at the division level, as well as the almost complete absence of radio communications on fighter planes, contributed to this grandiose disaster. And this actually continued until the middle of 43 years. The inability, in comparison with the Germans, to concentrate the forces of the Air Force distinguished our command throughout the first half of the war. Therefore, the opinion was created that the Germans had more aircraft. Although almost the entire war, with the exception of a short period of 41 years, was exactly the opposite. By the way, it was the same with tanks. One of my former tanker acquaintances, now deceased, who had fought since 42, said that they hadn’t seen our planes until almost 44 years old, but this does not mean that they were few. They were simply SPREADED on the entire front, and strikes were delivered with spread fingers, unlike punches from the German Air Force. The first strong concentration of our Air Force was the Kuban. And before that, even near Stalingrad, our Air Force was virtually unable to interfere with the "air bridge." who supplied Paulus. Of course, this didn’t help them much, but after all, ours could have knocked out most of the Luftwaffe transport aircraft then, but failed.
    And the fact that they still defeated such a strong enemy is a merit of our pilots who fought selflessly in the air. Well, you have to consider. that all the same, the Germans fought in the west. . Otherwise, our losses in the Air Force in that war, and so huge, would have been much greater.
    1. 0
      13 December 2017 23: 29
      Yes, I forgot, even in the battle of Moscow, our Air Force managed to fend off Luftwaffe attacks to a greater extent. And there for the first time there was a numerical advantage in a certain sector of the front of our aviation. But this is the capital, and everything is clear here.
    2. 0
      14 December 2017 00: 27
      Damn, I'm sorry the author of the article. After all, I myself write "For the first week", and in my head spun, for the first day. Something got stuck. And those 1811 lost planes, for June 22nd I counted for a week. .