Such a shame the Russian Navy did not know. Fantastic exercises in Kamchatka

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Such a shame the Russian Navy did not know. Fantastic exercises in Kamchatka


Such an opinion appeared on the site http://gidepark.ru of one of the residents of Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky. Laid out for review and discussion.

On September 19, Kamchatka military tugs brought a floating barracks to Avachinskaya Bay, which served as a target in the exercises and were to be sunk by a massive launch of cruise missiles from ground complexes, submarines and surface ships. But not a single missile reached the target, and the nuclear submarine was generally embarrassed, tk. the submariners could not even put three missiles prepared to successfully defeat the target in the prelaunch preparation mode. The Russian Navy has not known such a shame for a long time. This should be an analysis of the serious squeezing of military men by the supreme commander who loves to snap his fingers, as well as the removal of shoulder straps, the tearing of stripes, demotion, punishment. Although then, perhaps, it is necessary to disband the entire army and "surrender" to NATO. Let them protect us. If we hypothetically imagine that tomorrow we will be attacked by Yumumbane, the Martians, then Russia will not be able to stand up for itself.

Have the president, the prime minister been told the truth? They waited for Putin in Kamchatka to arrange a show so beloved in the country since communist times. But either because the whole Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky was rummaged, or because of employment, but the galley slave did not arrive and did not witness the shame. Otherwise, this whole circus could see how brave marines landed on the beach and military equipment (26 BTR-80, MTLBV, 3 self-propelled ferries at the base tank T-64, etc.) shamefully stuck in the sand, many 8-wheeled vehicles stalled while still in the water, some could not go to the beach and overcome a slight elevation. They got stuck where my Cheburashka of the VAZ-21213 Niva brand easily passes.

560 Marine paratroopers landed on a narrow strip of beach that defended 67 people. In combat conditions they would be crumbled from machine guns and machine guns. They were advancing very tightly. Those who were fighting were even too lazy to dig trenches into full profile. In combat conditions, if everyone had a grenade launcher, the equipment with the landing force would have burned them even on the water during the landing. And this is despite the fact that there were no anti-tank obstacles on the shore. And if in real conditions you have to take the beaches as in 1944 during Operation Overlord, or how the Americans stormed Iwo Jim. But on the Internet, you can read the brave reports as the ships of the Pacific Fleet successfully conducted live firing off the coast of Kamchatka.

Indeed, to the shores of the peninsula from all over the Far East they pulled the maximum number of all kinds of ships. Many have hardly torn off their hulls from piers. their bottoms are thickly overgrown with shells from long standing on a leash. Some could not reach Kamchatka and broke down along the way. Those that have come - have recently been in the repair. Among them, the Varyag missile cruiser was proudly distinguished by its name. Approximately to the middle of the 90-s, he was based in Kamchatka under the name “Chervona Ukraine”, but then Russia was shy of that name and renamed the ship. Let me remind you that in the USSR there were powerful ships under the names “Minsk”, “Tbilisi”, “Kiev”, “Tallinn”, “Vilnius”, and “Riga”. I think that Russia should not be ashamed of these names.

"Varyag" twice fired complex "Fort" (C-300). One rocket fell into the water, flying away from the ship about two kilometers. The second went beyond the horizon and whether it had at least some goal - a secret. In theory, it was supposed to self-destruct, but no one heard the explosion.

PKZ-35 (floating tower) was dragged from the coast to 200 km. On this target, September 17 should have launched a volley coastal missile systems, submarines and surface ships. But no one hit. This has happened before, that occasionally the rockets did not reach and fell near or far from the coast, but this embarrassment was long gone. A cruise missile from the Rubezh complex flew out of a launcher with a strange grunting sound in 21.40. And bolts, nuts, rivets fell from it. The journalists were taken away from the positions in the event that if a rocket jerks at the start. After all, rockets are full of old stuff. However, she flew away and the military said that this rocket, which almost fell apart into parts, in flight, sank a nearby target (a decommissioned ship) which was 90 km from the coast.

But on a distant target at a distance of 200 km, not a single rockets of the Cliff complex (all the complexes were developed in 60-70-s) did not hit. Where they fell is not known. The target was observed from the Il-38 plane, but then the pilots reported that because of the darkness they could no longer see if the target was sunk. And could not see on the radar? It turns out - could not. Whether the radar is broken, or there are no specialists who could sit at the control of the radar. And only on Sunday, 18 of September, the tugboats found a target unharmed in the ocean and dragged it to 19 of September in Avacha Bay. So all the missiles missed. My acquaintance, the captain of the 1 rank, said: “Dolbo.by, since we couldn’t sink, let them now guard her in the raid.” And from the prosecutor's office of the Pacific Fleet were instructed to find out why the equipment was not removed from the floating command (target). My acquaintance, businessman Alexander Ivanov, says that he lived at PKZ-35 at the beginning of the 90s. This 4-deck ship Finnish construction. A kind of floating hotel where over 300 people could live. With a conference hall, a gymnasium, a bath, showers, laundries, etc. The ship had two powerful diesel generators with automatic start-up. A lot of pumps, pipelines, cables, etc. My friend called me at the military quarters and asked to let him remove the diesel generator from the station, and he was ready to pay for it. But warriors easier to sink the target with all the equipment. Because coordination on the removal of a diesel engine should be done almost at the Ministry of Defense.

Large disassembly waiting for submariners. Who are not able to palnut their staff weapons. I do not know the name of the boat where the launch of the 3 missiles of the Granit system are stuck, but it is of the same class as the Kursk. There are several such "loaves" on Kamchatka: "Omsk", "Tomsk", and "Kuzbass". The 3 nuclear-powered icebreaker and one diesel submarine took part in the exercise. And also a bunch of surface ships under fresh paint that had thick layers of puffed rust. All ships, absolutely all equipment and weapons have long since developed their resources, are morally obsolete.

I work as a journalist in Kamchatka since 1991, and during this time not a single (!!!) new surface ship came here. Several new submarines arrived, which were laid on the stocks under the communists. The technique that participated in the exercises: amphibious assault ships, infantry fighting vehicles, etc., is such old stuff that everything seems to have been pulled out of the X-YUMX-s stock of naphthalene. Even the marines were huge and heavy, which I studied as early as 70 in a military school. It would be better for cell phones to lead the landing and the battle.



The Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation (a completely unnecessary body) V. Patrushev recently held a meeting with law enforcement officers in the Southern Kuriles, and then in Sakhalin. This angered the Japanese. With what pathos and hatred did Russian false patriots speak on Internet forums about the resentment of the Japanese. It seems that the KGB general Patrushev did it on purpose. If it is impossible to arrange a small victorious war to raise the rating of another KGB officer Putin, it was worth it to annoy the Japanese. For the sake of rallying the nation. And the patriots called on the Internet forums to throw a couple of atomic bombs on Japan, relocate the entire submarine fleet of Russia to the Kuril Islands, place the Topol ICBMs on the islands, the Iskander missile systems, etc. It was funny to read. By the way, for Patrushev, here in Kamchatka, the border ship of the Orel FSB was hit to shine. The hero of Russia still visited Kamchatka, “controlling” the course of the exercises. In fact, the Secretary of the Security Council flew to Kamchatka to make a tourist tour to the Valley of Geysers, recognized by the Russian natural wonder.

In the summer of 2010, Russia conducted large-scale exercises on Iturup Island, which Japan considers its territory. Such behavior of a member of the Group of Eight is not worthy of the principles of democracy and freedom and resembled an elephant in a china shop. But if we proceed from the unwritten theory that the presence of: 1) enemies is necessary in the national security policy; 2) friends (allies) and preferably 3) money, then the behavior of Russia and its leadership fits into this theory. At any cost, find or create an artificially enemy as somewhere in the world, either from neighbors, or within the country. It distracts people from internal problems and rallies the population around their favorite leaders. What the August lightning war against Georgia clearly showed.

If last year the exercises were conducted to shake flabby muscles in front of Japan and demonstrate the decisiveness of the position of the Russian Federation in case Japan does not give up its rights to the Northern territories, the exercises in Kamchatka showed that military power was confused and rusted thoroughly. It remains only to arrange a window dressing.

According to the testimony of Kamchatka headquarters, the Americans and the Japanese watched Russian exercises from their nuclear and diesel submarines and Orion aircraft. I believe that they also successfully intercepted all the talks and reports of our warriors and know the whole truth about the current state of the Russian Pacific Fleet and the course of the exercises. Do not know only the truth, dear Russians, who are fed with mischief and bullshit. And who firmly believe in the power, superiority and invincibility of our weapons, that our tanks are still fast and strong armor. Although they say that our tanks are already losing on their steam parameters to the Ukrainian and even Pakistani ones. And the surface fleet of the Russian Navy is already somewhere in the 10 place in its power, passing even India, Japan and China ahead.

On Kamchatka on a retro plane of the Ministry of Defense IL-18 (60-machine) brought a whole company of journalists. How this flying kakstryulya not crashed? Although they say that the aircraft is reliable, but very noisy. Frozen correspondents who were present on Saturday 17 in September on rocket launches fed to the dump with a nourishing soup in the staff tent and gave 40-degree toadstool to sugreva. To write as it should. Only I was not there, I did not eat my ear, I did not eat the toadstool and I do not write as it should.



20 September, the author of these lines wanted to see the loading of old equipment in the Large landing ships. But the military barred the way to the area of ​​the so-called barrier. Small Camp. Where the marines landed on the beach. And because I tried to photograph the patrol, they almost broke my camera. At my request to show the documents or to introduce themselves, they replied: “We, uncle, are not cops to you. That they let show their crusts. We quickly piled you right now. ” And I thought it was good that they didn’t have a weapon. And then they would start to clap shutters. After all, it is known that there are many morons among the Russian contract servicemen.
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  1. oper66
    +8
    21 September 2011 07: 19
    yes, the author is a real "patriot" not a single positive review of the fleet was offended by the sailors neither fish soup nor vodka, the freebie did not pass, and they promised to call in the stigma, but in principle, an article in the spirit of Novodvorskaya, yes, he obviously has sympathy for narrow-film films, and the name Hydepark - apparently adherents of Western democracy, as they say: as they say, they will go or there and will go
    1. +4
      21 September 2011 07: 26
      What is there to be surprised at? Afftor from the guide park, and there the audience is famous. In general, it looks like a stuffing of MK about "Vanguard", the same shitty style, rhetoric, calls to disband the army and introduce a NATO peacekeeping contingent. Some bolts and nuts, which fell from the rocket, are worth something. I think that within a couple of days competent people will react to this shit, then it will be possible to draw conclusions, although now everything is very clear.
      1. His
        +2
        21 September 2011 17: 56
        This author is the chief adviser to the Ministry of Defense, knows everything. Everything is personally reported to him;
    2. KASKAD
      +4
      22 September 2011 18: 49
      Yes, you look at the officer Chinese radio from the Euro network for 350r wink
      And you still hope that we will defeat someone, this is not an army, this is a rabble with shitty equipment and training in the form of a six-month floor washing in the barracks.
  2. +13
    21 September 2011 07: 33
    knowing how things are being done in our country, it is entirely possible to assume that the article contains truth, however, the mood of the author, which is so clearly shown in the lines, is alarming - there would be more constructiveness in his material, less than the author and his moods
    1. ytqnhfk
      +1
      22 September 2011 11: 14
      It seems to me that THIS was written specifically in this vein, knowing our past, you can just get an article and get dibs for it !! They play on what we know from the 90th! teachings have been going on almost every year since 2005 and so far no one has SEEN SUCH !! I won’t believe it! With a high degree of probability we can say that 80 percent is a lie !!
  3. andreypilot
    +5
    21 September 2011 07: 43
    Some idiot ... Wuhu didn’t eat, he didn’t drink a grebe, they probably didn’t let him in, so he was offended by everyone ..
  4. +12
    21 September 2011 07: 43
    The military, who was at the exercises, write everything as it was !!!
  5. Sergh
    +3
    21 September 2011 08: 14
    I suspect that these men, with a walkie-talkie in the poop, piled on him to the fullest. Apparently his tongue itself asks for it. Yes, and for this little article "moronic Russian contract soldiers" are already running after him, so he will have nothing to write with. And the moral is simple: drink when they pour!
  6. +17
    21 September 2011 08: 39
    And if without hooray and patriotism, in fact. Because the technique is old, That rockets fly, hell knows where, that they could not sink the plat- barracks, that the walkie-talkies are still like my TV. What is wrong? You can reproach the author, but it will not change the essence. The technique is old and they are in no hurry to change it.
    1. +3
      21 September 2011 17: 22
      Everything is within the framework of the new look of our army. No wonder. What is the Minister of Defense, such and his parish. Although the article was written by a man who was clearly offended by life, it may all be that not quite combat-ready equipment and armaments are located on our far borders. This is our misfortune. But it will not go away by the current leadership itself. Unfortunately.
  7. gans
    0
    21 September 2011 09: 10
    Kravchuk was asleep and saw that Boris gave everything to the Japs and he was already Japanese, but woke up again in Russia and judging by the surname hahl, you know what you mean.
    1. karnics
      +1
      21 September 2011 12: 46
      "Our" Kravchuk is a Jew, his real name is Blum, as well as "Your" Borka Yeltsin and Medvedev (Mendel) ...
      1. gans
        0
        21 September 2011 16: 27
        horseradish is not sweeter than radish, I personally know many ethnic Ukrainians who stayed there and did not go home in the hope that these lands will pass to Japan, and here such a bummer, that everything is Russian and they praise the civilized ones and at the same time Georgians have sailed. Kravchuk, then Khokhloevrev, which is twice as dangerous
  8. Owl
    +5
    21 September 2011 09: 15
    Perhaps this is the bitter truth.
    1. oper66
      +2
      21 September 2011 09: 28
      there is a negative in the state of both the navy and the army, but these truth-seekers do not see anything except what they want to see their servants, fools and bad missiles alone they are "d artanyans"
  9. +7
    21 September 2011 10: 29
    There have been too many coincidences recently, and our planes are falling, and our missiles are not the most reliable, and our ships are sinking, and now our army even completely sucks, can’t sink one target with the whole fleet .. And all this before the end of the reign Dima, as if he were catching up before his departure ..
    1. +2
      21 September 2011 17: 33
      And who said that he was leaving? They sat down, pondered, but the results were not yet brought to a thirsty electorate. Rumors: EdRo more than 60% - Putin goes, less - Medvedev. So it all depends on us how much will vote for a batch of thieves and scammers. Although Putin is not a member of this party, he is embarrassed that as a party member they can be held accountable for the collapse of Russia.
      1. +1
        21 September 2011 19: 39
        Everything is correct. Today, Rogozin will start acting on the GDP side with his social movement Rodina-KRO, to see the rating of United Russia is less than wanted and he is not happy with the GDP to run for presidential elections.

        Rogozin, regarding the support of Putin, said “We have been given serious promises by the United Russia regarding places in the State Duma and positions in the executive branch.” That is the whole price of support.

        As for the article, you can agree or disagree with the author. But if we discard verbal husks from its text, then the facts that remain dry do not inspire optimism.

        The situation is similar in other areas and departments; education reform, housing and utility pricing, police work, high prices for food and energy, accidents in civil aviation and in the river fleet, and many more. etc.
  10. +18
    21 September 2011 11: 12
    That they were so attacked by the author, but he is a patriot, and not zhopaliz from ORT, RTR, NTV, etc. With the exception of statements about yellow-faced people and Georgia, the rest is quite objective. He lives not in Muscovy, but in Kamchatka, and understands that there is no one there to protect our people. I live in the Domna garrison near Chita, where one of the Air Force bases is located. Fighters (MiG-29), attack aircraft (Su-25), turntables (Mi-24, Mi-8) were driven here from all over Transbaikalia, next to it is the Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile brigade, in which I served as the battalion commander. The state of technology and the level of combat training is simply depressing. If 2 MiG-29s had not fallen in the Domna in due time within 2 months, no one would have known about her. For thousands of kilometers to the east, not a single plane. Friend and classmate deputy. early air defense troops of the NE of the eastern district says there are no troops as such. No matter how shooting on Telemba, the missiles scatter in different directions, and at the complexes of the 80s, not 60-70s. So, is the author really that bad?
    1. 0
      21 September 2011 13: 42
      Bad really only those that writes about things that are clearly not present.
      And obviously according to the statements, he is not a Russian patriot.
      I agree with your every word, since this is the case, but not with a scribbler who resents the points I have quoted below.
    2. lokdok
      +2
      21 September 2011 16: 38
      nearby is the Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile brigade in which I served as the battalion commander. The state of technology and the level of combat training is simply depressing.

      So why didn’t you do combat training if you are a commander?
      1. -1
        21 September 2011 20: 47
        that because he didn’t serve, alarmist !!!
    3. +1
      21 September 2011 20: 46
      and the border guards are being overwhelmed with new things ... I don’t know why the Defense Ministry is so deprived, in your words, of both institutes and linear departments and branches. So, in my opinion, the author of the nerd is also not in vain for him to travel in the face.
  11. mar.tira
    +16
    21 September 2011 11: 26
    Yes, the military everyone knows what kind of scrap they have to serve. And the General Staff knows, but they just don’t have time to serve the Motherland and the Fatherland. There’s rat fuss around posts and distribution of finances. I myself have been naval, 16 years old, and in the Soviet there were still trophy ships, there weren’t enough ships, and now, after 20 years of total destruction, where can the new come from? Is it like that of the Japanese, or the Koreans with a fight like during a war? What all sorts of Perdyuki do, and the rogues are not comprehensible to the mind. There is a comparison about the combat readiness of our army before 1941. Is it really the same rake again?
    1. qwz_qwz
      +3
      21 September 2011 14: 49
      On the same rake and not the first time recourse
      1. -1
        21 September 2011 20: 52
        but for me the tenth, the war will show which of us is a traitor and who is not, and finally "RATS" (tsytata) will be removed from our land and everything will become clear and understandable. Hello Dima, INSOR and others like them!
        1. qwz_qwz
          +2
          21 September 2011 23: 29
          they’ll necessarily take off from our land and from the nearby one and grab everything that they can pull off .... so they will catch them over the wall.
  12. +10
    21 September 2011 11: 38
    By the way, it’s good that the teachings did without casualties, and that’s good.
  13. +3
    21 September 2011 12: 56
    Maybe the second missile of "Fort" even hit "Orion" ...
    1. Uncle Sam
      0
      22 September 2011 13: 04
      Yes, apparently they were struck by this mess, and so. After the first Chechen congressional hearings were on the topic, reduce funding for the American army for not having a real enemy close in strength.
    2. Uncle Sam
      0
      22 September 2011 13: 07
      Yes, apparently they were struck by this mess, and so. After the first Chechen congressional hearings were on the topic, reduce funding for the American army for not having a real enemy close in strength.
  14. +11
    21 September 2011 13: 02
    I believe the author. Even in Soviet times, with the new technology, we organized shows for big bosses. They (bosses) are like Papuans. Show beautiful pictures, effective explosions and they are satisfied. In reality, no one will climb.
    Dream.
    The Supreme arrives in the god-forgotten brigade - UNEXPECTED. Alarm Rise. Conclusion to the area of ​​concentration. Deployment in battle order.
    Everything will be visible.
    But then BUT! Something needs to be done with the MO and the NHS. See what you really command. Well, most likely to shoot yourself.
    And so come to the prepared (for several months) exercises and take noodles quietly.
    1. +4
      21 September 2011 15: 07
      In Soviet / incomprehensible times / for such teachings epaulettes were removed and not carrots distributed. And if from the written there is at least a small fraction of the truth, Kom.KTOF should be sent to the Kuril Islands for permanent residence.
      1. 0
        21 September 2011 17: 35
        Together the Field Medee Taburetkin and his henchman Makarov.
  15. +6
    21 September 2011 13: 39
    I can assume that not everything is so smooth in reality. Could well turn out and crap. But the two points in the article are alarming:

    1. "Let me remind you that in the USSR there were powerful ships called" Minsk "," Tbilisi "," Kiev "," Tallinn "," Vilnius "," Riga ". I think that Russia should not be ashamed of these names."

    I'm starting to laugh. I emphasize: it was in the USSR. And the ships carried the names of the Union republics. And, if Minsk can still be called a union republic, then the rest is not related to the rest. Especially to Tbilisi.
    One gets the impression that the author lives not in Kamchatka, but in Alaska.

    2. "The Varyag fired twice with the Fort complex (S-300). One rocket fell into the water, having flown about two kilometers from the ship."

    Correct me, thinkers, if I'm wrong. But it seems to me that 2 km is a greater distance than "from pillar to pillar". How could the author see and how did he measure the distance to the "fallen" rocket? I don't understand, to be honest.

    3. "Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation (completely unnecessary body)"

    Like this. The cleverest and most objective human being! How dashing it is ... Neither the Security Council is needed, nor the army, nor the police ... Bravo !!!

    "V. Patrushev recently held a meeting with security officials in the South Kuriles and then on Sakhalin."

    As far as I understand, the Southern Kuriles and Sakhalin are the territory of Russia. And why the Security Council Secretary cannot hold a meeting in the border areas, I do not understand.

    "This angered the Japanese."

    What do you mean? And what, I'm sorry, theirs dog business? By analogy, should I, when I decide on my balcony to do the cleaning (or go to my toilet) should I ask my neighbor? Their meeting outraged ... Let them go to ... and there they are outraged.

    4. "In the summer of 2010, Russia held a large-scale exercise on Iturup Island, which Japan considers its territory. Such behavior of a GXNUMX member is not worthy of the principles of democracy and freedom."

    Here is how. Japan considers Iturup its territory, so the Russians there can only fish, and even then, asking permission in Tokyo.
    And about the principles of democracy and freedom in general would be silent. according to its principles, the Kurils (all) and Sakhalin should be given to the Japs in general, and yes even compensation to pay

    In general, it is clear whose this Kravchuk and from where the wind blows. Ukrainians, do not even start up! This is not Kravchuk, this is some kind of Karazim, disguised, scum. Khokhol - he can strang himself for his (or I don’t know the Ukrainians), but for whose this yelling is clearly visible.

    4. And the most important thing. I read the article twice.
    "Only I haven't been there, I haven't eaten any fish soup, I haven't eaten a toadstool, and I write as I shouldn't."

    HE WASN'T THERE !!!!!!! And he writes, apparently, from someone's words.
    So it would be interesting to learn about the REAL picture of events not from the words of the pro-Japanese bastard.
    1. +3
      21 September 2011 17: 52
      1. Renaming is the last thing. None of this is good. There are, of course, special cases, "the steamer Adolf Hitler will be happy to take passengers on its white boards at the seventh berth of the hero city of Odessa ..." thawed must be renamed, but now "Ukraine" or "Tbilisi" are particles of our Motherland.
      2. From 300 to 2 km it is like "from pillar to pillar" or "a gun to the sparrows".
      3. By and large, I have no claims to Patrushev, except for the fact that he is a geb.
      4. Conducted exercises on Itrup - well done. It would not be a bad thing to make a military town from a ghost town a military town again.

      And now the really important thing: If the fact of unsuccessful firing (including the lack of objective control means) against such a target took place, then very large stars should sprinkle and it is urgent to conduct an audit of the military-industrial complex.
      1. svvaulsh
        +3
        21 September 2011 19: 48
        It is logical, except for "tbilisi". "Kuznetsov" sounds better!
    2. oper66
      +2
      21 September 2011 21: 05
      Hyde Park is in London, but these scribblers confuse it with GAY-park, they are in a hurry to remark about the state of our aircraft. You can understand that the check is very far from the army, he did not see footcloths and he knows the smell of socks from his sweaty feet - a bright representative 5 the columns
      I don’t understand why administrators repeat comments look that with a site I do not have one such garbage
      1. Uncle Sam
        0
        22 September 2011 13: 08
        Well, remove them, enough sweaty feet to sniff, maybe komenty will cease to double.
        1. oper66
          +2
          24 September 2011 22: 40
          cock are you uncle sem gabursky
          1. Uncle Sam
            0
            26 September 2011 13: 42
            All your komenty so, about nothing, just banter, no thoughts or suggestions.
    3. oper66
      0
      21 September 2011 21: 08
      Hyde Park is in London, but these scribblers confuse it with GAY-park, they are in a hurry to remark about the state of our aircraft. You can understand that the check is very far from the army, he did not see footcloths and he knows the smell of socks from his sweaty feet - a bright representative 5 the columns
    4. oper66
      0
      21 September 2011 21: 09
      Hyde Park is in London, but these scribblers confuse it with GAY-park, they are in a hurry to remark about the state of our aircraft. You can understand that the check is very far from the army, he did not see footcloths and he knows the smell of socks from his sweaty feet - a bright representative 5 the columns
    5. oper66
      0
      21 September 2011 21: 09
      Hyde Park is in London, but these scribblers confuse it with GAY-park, they are in a hurry to remark about the state of our aircraft. You can understand that the check is very far from the army, he did not see footcloths and he knows the smell of socks from his sweaty feet - a bright representative 5 the columns
    6. oper66
      0
      21 September 2011 21: 11
      Hyde Park is in London, but these scribblers confuse it with GAY-park, they are in a hurry to remark about the state of our aircraft. You can understand that the check is very far from the army, he did not see footcloths and he knows the smell of socks from his sweaty feet - a bright representative 5 the columns
    7. oper66
      0
      21 September 2011 21: 16
      Hyde Park is in London, but these scribblers confuse it with GAY-park, they are in a hurry to remark about the state of our aircraft. You can understand that the check is very far from the army, he did not see footcloths and he knows the smell of socks from his sweaty feet - a bright representative 5 the columns
    8. oper66
      +2
      21 September 2011 21: 18
      Hyde Park is in London, but these scribblers confuse it with GAY-park, they are in a hurry to remark about the state of our aircraft. You can understand that the check is very far from the army, he did not see footcloths and he knows the smell of socks from his sweaty feet - a bright representative 5 the columns
  16. +4
    21 September 2011 13: 46
    vlbelugin totally agree with you. But I don’t remember something, that our president at least once instead of the governor’s noodles about the salary level of a teacher or a doctor would pick up a salary sheet and see for himself. This is so for example, the teacher knows my mother not by hearsay. Our daddies can only ride on a single flying fighter or a nuclear submarine and run to change their underpants for joy, we don’t have any technique.
  17. zczczc
    0
    21 September 2011 14: 00
    In fact, it’s hard to evaluate - we weren’t there.
    Confuses the fact of cooperation with such publications as the guidepark ...
    1. Agnislav
      -3
      21 September 2011 18: 03
      There are enough of all kinds of GPs, just like here. But the general impression of the article by the end of reading goes deeply into the negative, despite the possible real facts. I just can’t explain why this is so, but I want to criticize the author, and not the one who deserves this Navy.
  18. vnp
    vnp
    +10
    21 September 2011 14: 18
    To begin with, the question is - which of the written comments served in the army?
    The second question is - who participated in major exercises with live firing?
    For those who answered these questions positively, the article is nothing new.
    For the rest - "... from the taiga to the British seas, the Red Army is the strongest!" and "little blood on foreign territory", etc. according to the scenario passed repeatedly.
    But I don’t understand the author’s joyful tone about the mess in the army, it’s Vedb’s own army.
    1. svvaulsh
      +1
      21 September 2011 15: 50
      Sary-Shagan playground number 1, 7. Does anything say?
      1. vnp
        vnp
        0
        21 September 2011 16: 25
        Site No. 7, in my opinion, an airfield, but I don’t remember exactly, it was once almost 30 years ago, a huge training ground
        1. svvaulsh
          +4
          21 September 2011 19: 46
          I guessed. So with No. 7 La-17, Tu-16 and other equipment were launched. And with No. 1, this technique was intercepted by the S-300. Actually, I controlled the targets. So successful interceptions and launches were almost 100%.
      2. raf
        +2
        21 September 2011 21: 39
        I know the Sary-Shagan, I don’t know the site! V1987 was there, fired from the S-75 was 3 PU number. Shot at 3,75 points!
        1. oper66
          +2
          21 September 2011 22: 05
          not Sary-step, but as Sary was called- Paris was at 12 square1986 March 354 ZRP KTurKVO call sign regiment my opium was opium 21 TsUS PBU
        2. oper66
          +1
          21 September 2011 22: 10
          not Sary-step, but as Sary was called - Paris was on 12 1986 March 354 ZRV KTurKVO
        3. oper66
          +1
          21 September 2011 22: 42
          not Sary-step, but as Sary was called - Paris was on 12 1986 March 354 ZRV KTurKVO
        4. raf
          0
          21 September 2011 23: 49
          Brothers, who set +? Is it really my colleague ?! Answer me!
          1. raf
            0
            21 September 2011 23: 58
            Damn, I forgot to write a place of service! 4th anti-aircraft missile division of the Pechora anti-aircraft missile regiment!
            1. oper66
              +1
              22 September 2011 00: 06
              oper66 vch 41008 "A" 84-86 534 zrp 12 ar air defense kturkvo I pissed you for sary-paris on the railway to dzhambul and there on wheels the armament of the regiment 75-125 complexes
              1. raf
                0
                22 September 2011 15: 58
                And we are from the city of Pechora on the plane of the Commander-in-Chief of Air Defense, 4 hours from north to south! We shot at someone else’s equipment for 3 days and back! It’s a pity that he’s not a colleague, but it's still nice to talk! Thanks for the plus of course!
                1. oper66
                  +2
                  24 September 2011 22: 42
                  Listen, Raf, what for the penis puts it in my opinion it’s a cockerel Uncle Sam here, “deleted,” he even doesn’t look like a goat
                  1. raf
                    0
                    25 September 2011 22: 35
                    oper yes spit on you on this member! To hell with him, let him have fun! Pindossky Licking!
                    1. oper66
                      0
                      25 September 2011 22: 50
                      I ARE ALREADY READY TO PERFORM THEM AND WILL NOT FUN AND DO NOT BRAG IN MY TITLE FOR MY MAJOR AS BV \ WOULD BE AS WELL AND THIS LABEL I DO NOT LIKE THAT ON THE SITE CREWS
                      1. raf
                        0
                        26 September 2011 19: 23
                        With pleasure, in a place with you I would piss on them! I agree too many of these geeks on the site!
            2. oper66
              +1
              22 September 2011 00: 16
              oper66 rf 41008 a 84-86 534 zrp 12 ar air defense kurkvo
            3. oper66
              +1
              22 September 2011 00: 19
              oper66 rf 41008 a 84-86 534 zrp 12 ar air defense kurkvo
    2. 0
      21 September 2011 20: 58
      Plisetsk. Start-up of "Topol".
  19. +1
    21 September 2011 14: 31
    "A cruise missile from the Rubezh complex flew out of the launcher with a strange grunting sound at 21.40. And bolts, nuts, rivets fell out of it."
    Dear, do not smoke Lipton tea, otherwise you will not dream of that.
  20. svvaulsh
    +4
    21 September 2011 15: 47
    That's what the teachings are in order to identify and eliminate shortcomings. And the author is sorry that they did not pile up. It would be worth to fix the head with a butt.
  21. 0
    21 September 2011 15: 54
    Well, well, they namusovat, pleased themselves. Maybe someone does not explain to me anonymously that in my message is wrong? For the further development of my brain. Or where I'm wrong. It is interesting all the same.
    1. Sergh
      +1
      21 September 2011 16: 54
      Yes I see. Ata determined the mood, I seem to understand.
  22. +3
    21 September 2011 18: 29
    ... we saw the official side’s messages saying that they’ve done well ... here is a different point of view ..... (a little hysterical truth) ... but if it’s even a quarter true, then it’s worth hysteria
    1. +2
      21 September 2011 20: 55
      Why hysteria? What and how will it help? Say p ... leu-who for whom the results of the exercises - yes. To force calculations and teams to poke over error correction - yes.
      But to talk about how we are disturbing the Japanese with the teachings, who consider the islands to be ours - this is.
      1. oper66
        +1
        22 September 2011 00: 40
        Bannshe well, how small you are for + chasing the same debate yes willow is not an actium which limits replenishment of the assessment it is everyone’s right to evaluate the opponent’s opinion in the debate do not worry about the main confidence in your or your own point of view
        1. 0
          23 September 2011 09: 11
          Yes, I do not chase them at all ... Look, I have enough of them.

          Yes, this is a dispute, and since silently namusili, it means that I could not explain something. I am confident in my point of view, but if I am suddenly wrong or misunderstanding something, then why not explain it?

          I, in fact, asked about this, like "what's wrong?" It’s interesting.
        2. 0
          23 September 2011 09: 15
          Yes, I do not chase them at all ... Look, I have enough of them.

          Yes, this is a dispute, and since silently namusili, it means that I could not explain something. I am confident in my point of view, but if I am suddenly wrong or misunderstanding something, then why not explain it?

          I, in fact, asked about this, like "what's wrong?" It’s interesting.
          1. oper66
            +1
            25 September 2011 08: 33
            there are permanent trolleys in the minuses, here they are minus trying to at least try to spoil if they can’t oppose anything convincing in defense of their point of view
          2. oper66
            +1
            25 September 2011 08: 37
            there are permanent trolleys in the minuses, here they are minus trying to at least try to spoil if they can’t oppose anything convincing in defense of their point of view
  23. +1
    21 September 2011 21: 05
    here about the Japanese, they all agree unequivocally .... let them worry if they need it ... but having looked at such a combat level, they will sooner arise more.
    And the window dress got everywhere and everyone .... this is irresponsibility
    1. 0
      21 September 2011 21: 11
      Here you are right. To my deep regret.
  24. -1
    21 September 2011 21: 33
    Yes, it’s clear that there are many shortcomings that could still be expected after decades of the collapse of the army. A normal leader, having seen the shortcomings, will take all measures to return the army to combat readiness.
    Unfortunately, I already wondered if we can repel the attack of the modern army or not.
    1. oper66
      +1
      21 September 2011 21: 52
      yes we can not doubt their bells and whistles for us scales why representatives of some nations grab a knife - they are afraid of the Russian fist
      1. Uncle Sam
        0
        22 September 2011 12: 33
        Why, no one has been afraid of him for a long time, you probably haven't been on the street for a long time.
      2. Uncle Sam
        0
        22 September 2011 12: 57
        Why, no one has been afraid of him for a long time, you probably haven't been on the street for a long time.
  25. tucha
    +3
    21 September 2011 23: 02
    Fort has a minimum of 5 km. But this is garbage.

    Let's take public mursils:

    300 spits the racket up 50 meters, then the marching maximum pulls it high, high and very fast for a minute (up to 5-6 sound speeds). After the racket falls along a controlled path to the target. This is definitely acceptable for long-range shooting - I don’t see the point of shooting at short-range exercises.

    So, if the marching died, then the racket falls 300 meters from the ship. If he died a little later, then I dare to assume that it would look very enchanting and would be remembered by all the participants for a long time. The racket is solid-fuel, single-stage - there is no place to close the faucet, it can go out if it is only assumed that it was stored at the bottom of a flooded hold;) Either it burns or it does not burn ...

    Now about the horizons, there’s trouble in general and hypotheses - Murzilka say that the frail body of a person sees a maximum of 100 km, usually with luck, 10-20. So, what the hell knows where these horizons are for a rocket that flies on average 40 km and shoots down targets at an altitude of 10 meters ...

    Why did the author put so many emotions into his report?
  26. fedora
    +2
    21 September 2011 23: 19
    Unfortunately, "facts have a place to be", but the author, a scoundrel, in his subsequent statements "sank below the waterline" and it is a pity that his face was not "cleaned up". Well, our fleet, after all the restructuring and modernization, is really only capable of demonstrative actions, which it also does not always successfully carry out. The reasons are known: the expired service life of ships, technical equipment and weapons, long-term mooring of ships at the berths with combat missions practicing only on maps and basic exercises, unreasonable reduction of officer personnel, destruction of the institute of warrant officers, reduction of the lack of a sufficient number of professional personnel, reduction of the terms of service, lack of repairs, etc. etc. etc.
    1. tucha
      0
      22 September 2011 00: 17
      What are the facts?

      The comrade writes that at 21.40 p.m. nuts fell out of the rocket ... I don’t know how it is in Kamchatka, but in St. Petersburg at 21.40 p.m. you won’t see anything beyond your nose - it’s dark, damn it, in the autumn in the evenings ...

      http://u-96.livejournal.com/2581006.html

      http://www.newsland.ru/news/detail/id/784608/

      The most important thing is to read "kamenty"

      The Varangian launched in 1989 - this is not an old ship.
      1. oper66
        +2
        22 September 2011 00: 33
        he had not yet noticed that 8 stokers with 2 buckets of coal were running behind the rocket
        1. Uncle Sam
          -7
          22 September 2011 12: 59
          you have some kind of premature humor ..
  27. Mr. Truth
    -2
    22 September 2011 01: 06
    Another whiner.
  28. mind1954
    +2
    22 September 2011 05: 18
    But didn’t they sell the Pacific Fleet in the 90s, so much so that
    auxiliary, in general, unique ships, then
    searched all over the world ports?
    Or is it another media duck?

    PKZ-35 - This floating hotel was designed by the Finns for their lumberjacks.
    We used them as "rest homes". The people liked it.
    How many, it turns out, they bought a lot. Now even used as targets.
    Where are you going? Previously, old ships were used as targets.
    But now, apparently, there are no old ships. They were sold a long time ago in the 90s abroad for a penny,
    as metal scrap.
  29. Imperialist
    -1
    22 September 2011 06: 15
    Yes, it also amazes me as in a Hydepark or Nyusland, those who do not believe in official sources, but throw like green flies on a piece of shit that some shitty journalist or shitty shit.

    He did not see an IL-38 airplane, he did not see non-missile systems, he did not see a rocket flight, he did not see a submarine,
    the fact that he saw this as an armored personnel carrier was stuck in the sand, and the ships that, in his opinion, did not sail quite elegantly. Of course, the fleet needs updating, it’s true that it’s being built now, Sevmash passed two Boreas and one Ash-tree to the Northern Fleet for testing, these ships will go to the Pacific Fleet.

    A series of Corvettes and Frigates are being built, including two corvettes in the Amur Shipyard, Cruiser Marshal Ustinov is getting ready after undergoing repairs for transfer to the Pacific Fleet, and amphibious assault helicopters are being purchased in France.

    And the fact that they don’t go on hikes is also a lie, what is a pirate hunt, when the marines from Marshal Shaposhnikov freed Russian citizens from captivity at the oil tanker, what are these exercises, Varyag is also constantly on campaigns, in 2010 there were also great exercises Peter the Great and the Cruiser Moscow came.

    And what about aviation, they upgraded the Su-27 to the Su-27 SM and Mig 31 to the Mig-31 BM which by the way are in Kamchatka.

    Yes, here is also an interesting report about the base in Velyuchinki "16th Red Banner Submarine Squadron"

    http://twower.livejournal.com/638875.html

    which was almost rebuilt and created by the military there, paradise living conditions, with pools, a water park, a new hospital, new houses, an ice rink ....

    According to this, screams that only berets were updated were also lies.

    And the fact that the construction of the fleet is a long-term issue should also be clear to everyone.
    1. NUT
      NUT
      -2
      22 September 2011 08: 33
      Quote: Imperialist
      who do not believe official sources

      and it was the "imperialists" who, since 1917, forced us to believe official sources (land-peasants ... the red army is the strongest ...) and we believed ...

      Quote: Imperialist
      green flies on a piece of shit.

      to this day, official sources, for us, are like "rose-colored glasses" thanks to which a bunch of shit is presented to us as a delicious cake, and a nasty green fly is like a butterfly of divine beauty ...
  30. +4
    22 September 2011 11: 27
    Even taking into account the fact that the author can lie, reinforce negative and other emotions - they dragged the target back ...
    If this is the case, it doesn’t matter if the author smokes lipton tea or accepts intravenous bonduel.
    I wasn’t in Kamchatka, but in the Northern Fleet I rose to the straw, so in 2003 there were few normal ships left there. I think for eight years the situation has changed only for the worse.

    It’s bad that the whole article is like the truth.
    Very disappointing.
  31. CARTRIDGE
    0
    22 September 2011 12: 53
    Until I see the comments of the real participants in the exercises, I won’t believe it! There are too many articles lately that have been pouring mud on our army, these lines were especially alarming in this article:
    And who sacredly believe in the strength, superiority and invincibility of our weapons, that our tanks are still fast and the armor is strong. Although they say that our tanks are already losing in their steam parameters to Ukrainian and even Pakistani.
    -and then believe in the competence of the author?
  32. Uncle Sam
    +1
    22 September 2011 12: 58
    A normal article, in the army and during the scoop there was a lot of chaos (the saying "who served in the army does not laugh in the circus from those times), but now everything is completely rotten. What you throw at the author, he laid out the facts - and the emotional coloring is his author's Who can - write better, but just for the fact that the tone did not like to find fault - it's stupid and funny.
    1. +1
      22 September 2011 13: 30
      yes in any army there is enough chaos. And even window dressing. Even the Second Pacific, going under Tsushima, shot and shot the whole squadron, but figs where it got - the shields remained intact. So to blame everything on "these are such nightmarish times" is not at all worth it. About amerskoy technology there is not even a desire to talk (written-rewritten), there is mainly marketing, because they need to trade, and they are noble traders. And our pseudo-patriots, such as the author of this lousy article, either pour water to the mill, or write this on direct order. And technical illiteracy - still nothing, but to observe how nuts and bolts fell from the rocket in flight - the height of stupidity. He put himself in jeopardy, showed deliberately incompetent and biased. Well, he really wanted EVERYTHING to fall apart on the fly, even what really works. I especially liked about "Niva". You see, tanks and armored personnel carriers get stuck, and this is, of course, the result of the "wrong" policy and underfunding. And the fact that ANY equipment is not immune from the vagaries of nature, the area - he does not need to know. And the fact that just recently the same parade was shown by US seals. So those, to the laughter of journalists on foot could not get out on the shore. With the phrase "After all, it is known that there are a lot of -remoted- serving among Russian contractors," the author proved his grudge against the military who almost piled on him. And rightly they would - do not go where they do not ask. Now he has one road - to become the second Rezun)))
      1. Uncle Sam
        -1
        22 September 2011 18: 58
        Have you already become * an outlaw
  33. Styx
    +1
    22 September 2011 13: 07
    "If you want peace, prepare for war." In the current geopolitical situation, Russia's weapons must always be oiled and ready for battle.
    It's 100% hard to believe that everything is so bad, although, for sure, "don't go to a fortuneteller" is not ideal.
  34. hundert
    0
    22 September 2011 13: 23
    etit, someone will guess to go on the Internet and look at the answers of the journalist for questions on the article.
    and so, this gadon was not even present at the exercises, the entire article is written on "information from reliable sources."
    that’s the answer.
    1. -1
      22 September 2011 13: 33
      so no one doubted
    2. -2
      22 September 2011 13: 37
      which is to be expected. It is strange that this vyser was published here.
      1. 0
        23 September 2011 09: 15
        Well, I did not guess to go on an Internet, so it was written in his text that he was not there.
  35. Volkhov
    +2
    22 September 2011 17: 43
    Secretly. The article is a cunning maneuver - if everything goes well, they will send them to fight for democracy, and you can ask for money for paint and industrialization.
  36. +1
    22 September 2011 21: 58
    Credible sources ......
    Once in a newspaper I read an interview with a former "commander of a missile regiment" who argued that if a combat crew gets drunk or does not give a wife, then a strategic missile can be launched from offense and a nuclear war will start.
    He himself sat at the remote control and I know that this is nonsense and the actual commander of the missile regiment cannot say this. But ignorant people will believe. So much for the panic.
    So here are the bolts and nuts. Although the rocket also probably shoots a powder charge from the container. How could bolts be seen in powder smoke?
    1. Superduck
      +1
      22 September 2011 22: 28
      Well, I think that certain parts of the mount of the rocket in the container really fly separately from it, there is nothing strange about it. If only he had seen a sub-caliber fly out, he would say that parts of the shutter fly out.
      1. 0
        25 September 2011 13: 36
        I think the article was written by scratching the ear with a pencil or something else. And about the bolts: when I served in the fire department we had to extinguish the cottage next to the road. A milk truck was passing by. The driver stopped to look, and the next morning the whole city said that firemen were putting out the cottage milk. Even they called from the city executive committee - they believed. At what distance is the abandoned nut visible?
        Well, it’s hardly more than 5-10 meters. And at what distance was he from the launcher? I think the article is Tufts, another order. And the fact that the equipment is old is that everyone knows and worries about it.
  37. +2
    25 September 2011 00: 14
    Forgive me, but because of such goats (the author of the article), modern youth form an opinion about our army. In addition, I consider him a traitor, because I am sure that this article, in English translation, has already been spotted on foreign sites ... (((((The military of all countries have failures, this is a normal phenomenon, this is the way to truth, this is an experience, albeit an unsuccessful one. The next time everything will work out, and whoever does not believe is my enemy. Personally, I know where we have a collection point in Kaliningrad and in the case of V.D. I will go straight there, and nothing I'm afraid; let the boats sink, let them "smear" - "smear" for their homeland, for their wives and children. Dispersed, of course, but already tired of reading articles by homegrown magazines about how bad everything is in MY COUNTRY-RUSSIA. Here's a video answer! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZwJDHwmvZA
  38. mar.tira
    0
    25 September 2011 05: 43
    My son served in Chita, in art reconnaissance, in 2010 .. When he said what kind of guns they had, he was stunned. The howitzers since 1950, during the year of service they were twice at the shooting, says at least I heard how they shoot. they made repairs to officer foreign cars in the boxes of the park, and repaired summer residences for them. And you say the modern Army, and the Armament.
  39. ZloySobacka
    +1
    26 September 2011 13: 20
    Here http://twower.livejournal.com/ Denis Mokrushin, a correspondent of the National Defense who worked in the exercise, examines this "popus"
    1. -1
      26 September 2011 13: 39
      Yes, it seems, with Mr. Ndon Kravchuk everything was clear, but thanks anyway for the link.
      1. 0
        26 September 2011 13: 42
        With your permission, I will re-post to the next branch)
    2. andreypilot
      0
      26 September 2011 19: 42
      Thank you for the link, even though everything was clear, such a detailed report explains everything at once .. I don’t understand one thing, when will our Armed Forces stop losing the information war? They are silent in response .. I understand that they have us on him .. well, but calm down the citizens, show how it was, otherwise nothing really is said on the official sites, everything went well and everything .. The link is good, I already advised my friends wink
    3. mar.tira
      0
      27 September 2011 06: 33
      Thank you for the link, although there was a hope that everything is still not lost. And even though the author of the article all was smoothly smooth, the mormen still learned something. Young people!
  40. -1
    26 September 2011 16: 46
    Well, actually, as I expected, as described.
    It turns out that Mr. Kravchuk is exactly what I allowed myself to say.
    One of the merchants, ready for the yen or the dollar to shit with all and sundry.

    It is a great pity that such shavk is still unconditionally believed.
  41. mind1954
    0
    27 September 2011 05: 25
    What struck me was how when meeting with the audience
    On TV Vasily Aksyonov upon arrival from the USA stated:
    "Well, how can you respect the army, whose officers go
    in such caps! "It seems, well, what does he care about?
    But apparently, even he was shocked by the state to which
    brought our army and the kind of officers in "kokoshniks"
    on their heads!
  42. 0
    28 September 2011 11: 15
    A good analysis of this nonsense here http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/7777/
  43. PavelSrE
    0
    April 23 2013 01: 56
    The housing density of the vast majority of cities in Russia does not even reach half of the normative indicator. This leads to large loads on the infrastructure. Read more here http://elagent.ru/news/detail.php?ID=21640
  44. PavelSrE
    0
    April 25 2013 13: 21
    For four consecutive months, a catastrophic decline in demand for suburban real estate has been observed in the Moscow region market. The last time this was observed only in 2008. More details here http://elagent.ru/news/detail.php?ID=22681