Completing the transition to VKBO

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According to the current plans of the Ministry of Defense, by now the armed forces should completely switch to a new uniform. Now the military will use the so-called. All-season set of basic uniforms (VKBO). In addition, in the 2015 year, it is planned to supplement the kit with new items.


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At the beginning of November last year, Deputy Minister of Defense Dmitry Bulgakov said that in 2014, 400 thousand sets of VKBO were purchased. The purpose of these purchases was to continue the transition to such uniforms, begun earlier. In addition, the deputy minister spoke about plans for other items of clothing. Until the end of last year, it was supposed to change all the officers, midshipmen and cadets into new demi-season and winter jackets. In 2015, such items of clothing will be received by conscript soldiers. At the time of the statements, military personnel stationed in the Arctic had already received a new form, and the troops of the Western Military District were also being re-equipped. The last new form should have been received in the Southern Military District.

Of great interest is the all-season basic uniforms, which is now being transferred to the Russian armed forces. The BTK Group company was engaged in the creation of the VKBO set. In developing this kit, several original ideas were used that were not previously used to create uniforms for the national army. The main idea of ​​the WCBO is a multi-level system that includes several so-called. levels or layers. The use of various combinations of these layers makes it possible to ensure a comfortable work of a soldier under different weather conditions with different physical exertion.

Included in the WCF are a 23 garment, including 3 pairs of shoes. The kit includes three options for underwear (T-shirt and shorts, as well as two options for T-shirts with long sleeves and underpants), a windbreaker jacket, a fleece jacket, a demi-season vest, a windproof jacket and pants, a warm suit, several pairs of shoes, a scarf, three options hats, gloves, mittens, socks, etc. All items of clothing for transportation and storage are packed in a bundle.

According to reports, the VKBO kit ensures a comfortable work of a soldier in various weather conditions. The minimum composition of garments is designed to work at temperatures above + 15 ° C. In the most warmed configuration, VKBO protects from temperatures down to -40 ° C. The possibility of combining layers in accordance with the weather and the planned intensity of work is one of the main advantages of VKBO before uniforms of old models .

As planned by the creators of the kit, in summer the main clothes of the serviceman will be a summer suit consisting of a jacket and trousers, a light cap and boots with high berets designed for use at temperatures from + 15 ° C. A wind and weather protective suit and a set of insulated clothing are offered for use in the fall and winter. Depending on weather conditions, shoes are selected.

Much attention in the development of a set of VKBO was given to garments designed to provide comfort at low temperatures. So, in the course of the research it turned out that cotton fabrics do not fully meet all the requirements, as a result of which they are used only as a material for linen and summer suit. Other trousers and jackets are made of modern synthetic materials, including insulation. An additional advantage of new materials is their compactness. Insulated suit, if necessary, can be folded and folded into a compact bag of size 20 x20 x20, see. Old materials did not provide such ease of transportation.

Completing the transition to VKBO


To protect the head and neck, a scarf-bib, a mask-cap (a so-called balaclava) and a warmed cap (earflaps) are designed. Due to the emergence of new means of communication, the latter has special valves for ease of use of headphones. A smaller number of hats in comparison with other items of clothing drastically reduces the possible number of combinations of their use; however, even in this case, comfortable work is ensured in all declared temperature ranges.

Despite numerous disputes, the traditional foot wipes for our army are not included in the All-Russian Central Asian Union set. Instead, soldiers and officers are encouraged to use socks of two options, summer and winter.

Hand protection at low temperatures is provided by gloves and mittens. The latter can be fastened to the sleeves, quickly removed and put on. Mittens have a relatively simple design and are intended only to protect hands from frost. Using them when carrying out any work may be associated with certain difficulties. In addition, it is impossible to shoot in mittens. For use weapons they will have to shoot.

The claimed service life of the all-season basic uniform kit is 3-5 years. The kit is issued to the soldier, and after its demobilization it is sanitized, repaired and, if necessary, issued to another recruit. In this case, all recruits will receive a new set of underwear. It is argued that the materials used can withstand full operation for three years.



Testing and trial operation clearly showed the advantages of the VBD set over the outfit of old models. Nevertheless, the new multi-level high-tech form cannot boast of a low price. A full set of clothes and shoes for one fighter costs the army about 80 thousand rubles. However, the leaders of the military department found such a price acceptable and justified.

The production of VKBO kits started in 2013. At the same time, the army received 100 thousand new sets. Since 2014, purchases have increased several times. In the near future, all units of the armed forces should switch to a new field uniform.


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  1. padonok.71
    +8
    19 January 2015 06: 52
    Where is the parade? Where is the guard kit (felt boots + sheepskin coat)? In such a pea coat "on fish fur" somewhere at the far post "you cut an oak." What are these mittens in which you cannot fire? In short, with the winter version akakali.
    In the summer. Where is panama? Where are the shorts? Where is the shirt / short sleeve t-shirt? The same failure.
    And the price is 80 kilo rubles. Do they order it from the gucci? At corden? Or maybe the hyugo boss?
    I do not see any special differences from previous kits. Of course fleece, membrane yes. But the same "sands", as they say, were very much!
    "To the Savior of All Russia" - for diligence +, for execution -. In total, so far 0.
    1. Aladin
      +6
      19 January 2015 07: 23
      At the end of the 80s I saw tissue samples for a promising form - non-combustible rubberized silicon (up to 600 degrees), high strength ... that is, the SA had to receive a pressure suit with protection from both fire and OM, so all these Warriors, VKBO - are a surrogate , a modern version of pea jacket.
    2. +17
      19 January 2015 07: 46
      I like the new uniform. At minus 15-20 when driving, it’s even hot. There were gloves to the sheepskin coat. Only earlier it was all more cumbersome. New technologies. By the way, no one canceled the "parade" + "office". Only there is more of it in the headquarters wear
    3. +22
      19 January 2015 08: 50
      In such a pea coat "on fish fur" somewhere at the far post "you cut an oak."


      Did you wear such a "pea coat with fish fur" then? :) I have a set at home, now the old "numbers" - "pea coat with fish fur" and overalls. So I didn’t freeze in it, working in the yard, or going out into the countryside, and the frosts with us, last December, were stable at -50 for almost the whole month. In 2013, in January, he opened the kebab season at -40 :) he also did not freeze, although he stood almost motionless while grilling the kebabs.
      And considering all the layers, I think VKBO is a very good kit.
      1. padonok.71
        +7
        19 January 2015 10: 58
        Quote: -Dmitry-
        Did you wear such a "pea coat with fish fur" then? :)
        Worn. Just not at home and not in barbecue. While moving, it’s good, only sweating. Then he lay down on a snowball / pebble, especially if he had sweated before it, everything was a trumpet. From a spark of a fire - a hole. Rustling in the cold. Hood - tear off couturier’s hands. For some reason, this was not the case in the old sand / Afghan.
        Although I admit that modern materials - there is great good. Membrane shoes, fleece sweatshirts, thermal underwear.
        1. +2
          19 January 2015 12: 13
          Chib used modern synthetics chtol? Ali would ask tourists for hunters.
        2. +1
          20 January 2015 03: 14
          Well, you don’t need to lie on a post :) Moreover, the WKBO is not just a kit - a pea coat and jumpsuit, in combination with other layers, I think it will be possible to lie comfortably :)

          Hood - tear off couturier’s hands.

          As for the hood, I agree, but in the old Afghan hood there was no hood at all :)))
          1. +2
            20 January 2015 19: 15
            As for the hood, I agree, but in the old Afghan hood there was no hood at all :))) The hood was there. He retracted into the slot under the collar. Then it was necessary to evenly distribute it on the back, otherwise it could be a small hump, which is not aesthetically pleasing :)
    4. +4
      19 January 2015 09: 06
      you still ask where the shoes are at temperatures above +15 laughing
      1. 0
        19 January 2015 10: 12
        Quote: Poppy
        you still ask where the shoes are at temperatures above +15

        Yes, yes, comrade padonok.71 forgot to add "flip flops" to the list of requirements!
        1. padonok.71
          +5
          19 January 2015 11: 09
          Quote: Homo
          Yes, yes, comrade padonok.71 forgot to add "flip flops" to the list of requirements!

          Quote: Poppy
          you still ask where the shoes are at temperatures above +15

          Funny - you’ll have a good laugh. Ask those who passed the Afghan how funny they were in boots. Why were Moscow sneakers at such a price?
          From my own experience, I will say that modern membrane trekking is higher than boots and crocodiles by the head. If dry. And if, as in one "merry republic" in spring, autumn, and in winter too, then it is better to have boots, but with a tailcloth, nothing is better.
          1. -1
            19 January 2015 11: 33
            Quote: padonok.71
            it’s better than a boot, but with a flapper tail

            Forever wet feet in spring and autumn, frozen in winter?

            There are rubber boots, there are felt.
            1. padonok.71
              0
              19 January 2015 19: 23
              Quote: Spade
              Forever wet feet in spring and autumn, frozen in winter?

              Footcloths, wet side up, rewind? No, have not heard. So?
              Quote: Spade
              There are rubber boots,
              Yes, super, what you need is better in some footcloths.
              Quote: Spade
              there are felt.
              Yes there is, of course, grandmothers in such walk with their neighbors on the bench to fuss - that's it.
              1. +1
                19 January 2015 20: 21
                Quote: padonok.71
                Footcloths, wet side up, rewind? No, have not heard. So?

                And why, if there are rubber ones?

                In addition, the post-Soviet tarpaulin boots (which have a buckle) have tiled tops that are rubbed on the folds and in their production a taut dratva is used, which requires processing the boots after receipt, otherwise it rots and the seams fall apart

                Quote: padonok.71
                Yes, super, what you need is better in some footcloths.

                laughing As anyone.

                Quote: padonok.71
                Yes there is, of course, grandmothers in such walk with their neighbors on the bench to fuss - that's it.

                ??
                Have you ever worn felt boots? Strange thing ... Very strange ...
                1. padonok.71
                  0
                  19 January 2015 21: 16
                  Quote: Spade
                  Have you ever worn felt boots? Strange thing ... Very strange ...

                  purely felt? ... not once.
                  1. +3
                    19 January 2015 21: 51
                    Come on...
                    The most normal shoes in the winter are Warm almost like felt boots, and at the same time it is convenient to wear and even a little water is not critical for them. This is me about Soviet felt. There are also Russian, from blue and not gray felt, so those are colder. But it’s still warmer than the Kirzukhs.
                    1. padonok.71
                      +2
                      19 January 2015 23: 24
                      When a conscript served in such only the ensign was chased. And then on business trips, on all sorts of "warm" countries and regions of immense, there was no need, and the climate is not the same - very damp. On the hunt only, about seven or ten years ago, in Suomi, such as bought. I walked past the store, and they stood in the window, immediately the happy faces of the ensigns, immediately remembered and bought. Still alive. And yes, warm and breathable.
                      But only with a footcloth x / bshnoy, with a bike hot.
                      But do you wear / wore them with socks?
          2. -1
            19 January 2015 12: 14
            Gamashchi will save the father of Russian democracy.
          3. +2
            19 January 2015 20: 53
            - Sneakers of the Ferghana shoe factory were more affordable; they were full-bodied at Puma, model GV laughing
            1. padonok.71
              0
              19 January 2015 21: 17
              And Moscow walkers? OOO .....
        2. +1
          19 January 2015 16: 40
          I don’t remember about mabutovki, and for one panama the foreman of 10 caps traded
      2. 0
        20 January 2015 17: 55
        Quote: Poppy
        you still ask where the shoes are at temperatures above +15 laughing

        Article Thirteen If the salag receives new belt sandals in the kapter, may he bring them to his grandfather and donate with a bow ...
        _________________
        laughing
    5. -1
      19 January 2015 09: 38
      The form is new, but the "holes" are old !!! Best the enemy of the good! IMHO. hi
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    7. +2
      19 January 2015 10: 10
      Quote: padonok.71
      Where is the parade? Where is the guard kit (boots + sheepskin coat)?

      - All-season set of basic uniforms (VKBO). Does the word "basic" mean anything to you?
      Quote: padonok.71
      In the summer. Where is panama? Where are the shorts?

      - This is where in Russia we need panama and shorts?
      Quote: padonok.71
      Where is the shirt / short sleeve t-shirt?

      - When and where did the soldiers have "shirts" with short sleeves?
    8. +2
      19 January 2015 10: 28
      Panamas and shorts have long been there - for contingents in hot areas.
      1. alexey 8611
        0
        19 January 2015 19: 32
        Panama and shorts are a tropical form of clothing in the navy. In the north of Caspian Panama would be useful, no shorts in the summer to +43 Celsius, humidity 100, mosquitoes.
    9. +9
      19 January 2015 10: 45
      Good health to all.
      Shorts, as history shows, are good only for training in the barracks and for drill exercises. Maybe on leave. And where there is a lot of sun, you also need to give out a protective cream so as not to tan to blisters. During World War II, British and German units fought in shorts in North Africa. Their experience - wearing shorts is not recommended. The point is not even that "the sand rubs the eggs," but that on bare feet there are many more minor injuries and abrasions from sand, stones and all kinds of plants or insects. These traumas and injuries very quickly turn into festering wounds. And this distracts from the main work. In the summer, in the field, it is better to wear pants made of materials that protect the body from all unnecessary scratches and sun rays, but in which the body breathes. I don't know how things are with the VKBO kit. In our set we get summer and demi-season trousers. Shorts are also provided, however, but somehow, hands do not reach them. Besides sports. We often use sports outside the garrison.
      1. +3
        19 January 2015 13: 01
        shorts and T-shirts are good for jogging in the morning) and when you lean against them in summer armor somewhere in the Crimea, Krasnodar Territory or Tajikistan, which in the open sun for days on end ... then you will choose something more genuine. I just wanted the material lightweight, durable and breathable (and if still fireproof, anti-mosquito, etc.) in general a holiday
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    10. +6
      19 January 2015 10: 47
      Where are VALENKI ????
      1. +2
        19 January 2015 17: 44
        Actually, I went through an emergency in the Arctic: Novaya Zemlya (Rogachi and Belushka), Nagurskaya and even closer to the pole of Graham Bell Island. Separate polar radioengineering air defense regiment. Something nothing suitable from the one presented below I do not see. True, on TV they recently showed a separate company on Nagurskaya (a barracks with a winter garden and their clothes. Mdya ... Song. And how they (soldiers, i.e.) famously dissect on snowmobiles. Mdya ... And on the street now - 56 *.
    11. -1
      19 January 2015 10: 58
      You fell off the moon, you sucked VKBO a hundred times already, and about the mittens "in which you can't fire" too!
      Judging by the comments, the task was just to write.


      By the way, in the last interview, they seemed to say that the socks were removed from the kit.
      1. padonok.71
        +1
        19 January 2015 11: 19
        Quote: Homo
        All-season set of basic uniforms (VKBO). Does the word "basic" mean anything to you?
        Do you know what PARADE is? Do you go to social events (weddings / funerals / receptions, etc.) in overalls? It’s convenient. A soldier is also a man.
        Quote: Homo
        This is where in Russia we need panama and shorts?
        Atlas climatic look. And the soldiers of the Russian Federation not only in the territory of Russia are dragging the service, for reference.
        Quote: Homo
        This is when and where did the soldiers have "shirts" with short sleeves?
        That's bad that was not. And in the new no.
        Quote: nekish
        Panamas and shorts have long been there - for contingents in hot areas.
        I am guided by the picture - it’s not there. And of course.
        1. padonok.71
          +3
          19 January 2015 11: 28
          Quote: 222222
          Where are VALENKI ????
          - You see, the man served. I respect you.
          Quote: SergeySh
          You fell off the moon, you sucked VKBO a hundred times already, and about the mittens "in which you can't fire" too!
          Judging by the comments, the task was just to write.

          Don't suck. It is necessary to construct in these "flap crackers". Better yet, lie down on the position for a couple of hours, ready. And then for the computer, for the angry revelations - you are welcome.
    12. +6
      19 January 2015 11: 37
      The guard kit (felt boots, sheepskin coat, raincoat, rubber boots) is not included in the VKBO kit. It is supplied separately. Like, for example, the chef uniform
    13. 0
      19 January 2015 12: 12
      At 8th level, everything will be like in the best houses of Paris and London.
      And such a question is how will you fight in the presence of a sheepskin coat and a set of weapons and ammunition safety control systems.
      1. 0
        24 January 2015 22: 25
        In my part of the sentry, the fight was calm ... though the battle was not long .. he used up half of the boutiques, and put two dealers in the Borz, trying to take his machine gun away .. one was with a sawn-off shotgun, the other with a gun ... in extreme situations body temperature rises, and at first the person does not feel hypothermia .. and when the calm ..)))) then this is not a fight))
    14. +2
      19 January 2015 15: 32
      And when was this "guard kit" given to EVERYONE? Sheepskin coats were always in the guardhouse. Valenki are good only at the post or if you stand as an observer in a trench, and walking in them for a long time is extremely inconvenient.
      1. jjj
        0
        19 January 2015 16: 53
        Sweat-wicking thermal underwear and fleece are great. They are already being worn in civilian life. In other words, if you can get them, then take them. The pimples in thermal underwear are somewhat larger than those of Nike, but they cope with sweat. Real tests of the kit at minus 30 degrees with the wind showed excellent results. Warm, light and dry.
        The picture shows the heel socks. In reality, socks are dimensionless, without heels. And the size range of jackets and trousers does not match each other. Really, jackets are a couple of sizes larger. I wrote about this to one of the sewing companies, but they did not fix it
        1. 0
          20 January 2015 09: 27
          And why get it, here is the official store: http://safety.btcgroup.ru

          The manufacturer immediately warned that in retail, do not wait, only through the Internet and only through this store, everything else that they look like is left-handed VKBO!
  2. 0
    19 January 2015 06: 54
    In 2015, conscript soldiers will receive such garments.

    that's good, but it always hurt to look at them. still have cops dressed up
    1. alexey 8611
      0
      19 January 2015 19: 47
      09g.for the entire service life, socks were given 1 time at the military registration and enlistment office, no footcloths were given out (they themselves found in front of the winter training ground) after 3 months, the guys wrapped their feet in towels in the field. They didn’t receive money. Pneumonia outbreak.
    2. 0
      19 January 2015 22: 34
      Familiar police officers do not complain about the new uniform - comfortable, and it looks decent.
  3. +3
    19 January 2015 06: 55
    The appearance of the new uniform is pretty nice, but how will it behave in the field, for example, if sparks fly from the fire? The price is not low in my opinion. Does BTK motivate it using imported materials. When will they already learn how to do their own thing and cheaper?
    1. +3
      19 January 2015 08: 01
      a friend serves, the kit itself praises it, it is warm in winter, but it melts when the fire is close, that is, fire protection is not thought out, I think that for a winter set the coating should be from X / B.
      1. 0
        19 January 2015 10: 35
        Americans are given 2 sets of forms - 1 simple for PPD, 1 non-combustible (Massif) for the database.
        1. UN-IFOR-SFOR
          0
          19 January 2015 19: 54
          Americans have more other ways to die than burn.
          Completely non-combustible kits are relevant mainly to crews of military vehicles. In this you do not run.
          1. 0
            20 January 2015 02: 21
            According to American studies, the use of refractory equipment reduces the severity of damage from near undermining of the IED. Now the Americans generally headed for all uniforms to be fireproof.
      2. UN-IFOR-SFOR
        0
        19 January 2015 19: 49
        Cotton absorbs moisture, it becomes heavier, colder. Especially after heavy and long traffic. And if you add "impregnation" or other protection from fire - it will lose its breathable properties, it will be heavier. And it melts - it doesn't smolder. The priority is different, sacrifice when creating less suitable or needed.
  4. 0
    19 January 2015 07: 00
    Maybe it was necessary to switch directly to the WKBO, and not to spend finances on a figure?
    1. Mikhalych63
      +2
      19 January 2015 07: 18
      In our country, every new MO-general imagined himself to be a tsar, which is why permissiveness was everywhere. Only today, these generals are beginning to think not about the beauty of their uniform / furagi-airdromes, hats, etc./, but about the safety of the war. Probably for a long time it was necessary to put the head of the Moscow Region not from some industry, but from the structure to save a person. you can learn the machine gun trigger yourself, but dress properly and behave in the field, so as not to frostbite and not be killed by a simple stone, experts know.
      1. +7
        19 January 2015 08: 09
        The development of VKBO was initiated by Serdyukov. Shoigu's laurels did not deservedly go.
        1. jjj
          0
          19 January 2015 16: 59
          Quote: ivshubarin
          The development of VKBO was initiated by Serdyukov. Shoigu's laurels did not deservedly go.

          Serdyukov initiated the form "from Yudashkin." Shoigu immediately demanded to reconsider everything. The new form differs from the "Yudashkin" for the better in many respects
          1. +2
            19 January 2015 17: 54
            Quote: jjj
            Serdyukov initiated the form "from Yudashkin." Shoigu immediately demanded to reconsider everything. The new form differs from the "Yudashkin" for the better in many respects

            Game. VKBO also appeared under Serdyukov. All that Shoigu did was shoulder straps back on his shoulders, a bunch of stripes and an indelible hood, so that the soldiers clung to them for anything.

            Well, he can also write down a delay of 2 years as a "plus"
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    2. 0
      19 January 2015 10: 34
      And VKBO is not in "digital"?
  5. 0
    19 January 2015 07: 22
    By the way, who knows - is she "rustling" or not?
    1. +2
      19 January 2015 17: 11
      Even as it rustles, and burns, and breaks ... the winter set is good only on the parade ground to stand on the divorce, if the khan is in the forest, it breaks, hitting any branch, do not approach the fire to warm up the beam - tomorrow there will be nothing to divorce. .. rustles so that you don't hear your own "stomp", and the biggest discontent is the hat - it's another invention ...
      so the raw kit is still
  6. +2
    19 January 2015 07: 54
    Are there active servicemen on the site? Who else but them should express their opinion on the wear of this uniform. I don’t understand the people who advocate footcloths, kirzachi, afghan women, etc. .. Yes, it’s much cheaper, but our soldiers have the same look. The army of a great power cannot look like a gang of collective farmers.
    1. +11
      19 January 2015 08: 50
      served at 07. (field of the university) just transferred from summer to ankle boots and socks. (Moreover, the socks wear out in a couple of days and the stench in "disposition" be healthy.) And in winter? took out medium, demi-season footcloths beauty, woolen did not fit in (as I think, you can’t save enough socks, either in summer or winter, you will have to buy this item yourself.Officers can afford it, but privates? or will give it out on demand, but this is generally fantastic) )
      1. +6
        19 January 2015 09: 08
        at the request of the army nothing happens, only according to the rules of allowance

        contract soldiers will buy socks at their own expense, and parents will send conscripts on conscripts - and we will fight
        1. +2
          19 January 2015 10: 36
          in "Russia" the soldier always bought at his own expense.
          1. jjj
            +2
            19 January 2015 17: 06
            From personal experience of the Soviet era, I can still say that socks are worn for a long time and well. Wash and dry quickly. Torn not so often. No one has ever bought. Smell less than footcloths.
            But socks are good only for placement in civilian conditions. With long-term actions in the field of footcloths is definitely better. I rewound the other side and my legs are fresh again
      2. 0
        19 January 2015 11: 03
        What is the relation of WCDW to the year 07? ))) If this particular set began to go into test operation from March 2014!
        1. 0
          19 January 2015 12: 58
          for sure) no. but answered the comment 07:54. (about the appearance and need of footcloths)
  7. 0
    19 January 2015 08: 58
    I like. And most importantly, it would be convenient for the soldiers ... Well, nothing further will be seen
  8. +9
    19 January 2015 09: 04
    Quote: CIANIT
    I do not understand people who advocate footcloths, kirzachi, Afghan, etc. ..

    Perhaps because it was not possible to personally try?
    I have been serving for a long time; in the offices I’m not worried, I trample the earth; did not participate in a DB.
    Personally, my opinion is:
    - the uniform must be ONLY with buttons! (I'm not even going to discuss this)
    - boots - better than boots with high berets,
    - footcloths are better than socks,
    - Afghan - better than all subsequent field species of the form,
    - cotton and wool - better than any artificial fabrics / fillers,
    - winter hat - should be knitted,
    - cockades - remove tries ... forever,
    - winter uniform - should be relatively "white" (light),
    - the everyday form of a soldier must be field
    - all chevrons, emblems, stars - should be fabric (sewn),
    - office uniform - bullshit,
    - Shoigu is the same official as the others. Violent activity and widespread PR is not an indicator of common sense: why change the usual symbols of the army? when will they learn how to test form / equipment / weapons - before accepting samples for service? Restless "innovator" ...

    "The ability to combine layers in accordance with the weather and the planned intensity of work is one of the main advantages of VKBO over the outfit of old models."
    It's funny. What is the "combination"? The unit commander will announce - and everyone will wear what he sees fit. And FSUs ... weather conditions and service features.
    1. Aladin
      +2
      19 January 2015 09: 23
      The old form of clothing was also combined - a sweater without a collar (a lint-in) under the half-sleeve, a quilted jacket under an overcoat or short fur coat ...
    2. 0
      19 January 2015 11: 06
      I had the opportunity to try, I disagree with you on all points! If only you are not a deputy on the rear, then yes footcloths are better than socks and boots more convenient.
    3. jjj
      0
      19 January 2015 17: 09
      Quote: Leader
      The unit commander will announce - and everyone will wear what he considers necessary.

      The garrison commandant announces the uniform, but not the unit commander. True, there are military units that are separate commandant's offices
    4. erg
      +3
      19 January 2015 19: 54
      I'll try in order:
      - I agree about the buttons. No matter how perfect production is, it does not guarantee one hundred percent protection from rejection during mass tailoring. A button, on occasion, can be sewn in the field, even having made it self-made, you can’t fix the zipper.
      - Boots are not always better. In certain conditions it is better to wear berets.
      - No better and no worse, again depends on the conditions.
      - I won’t say anything about the Afghan, I didn’t wear it.
      - About artificial and natural fabrics, the issue is also controversial. All over the world, both of them are still used in overalls, this suggests that it is not always possible to give preference to only one type.
      - It is better if the top is entirely cloth. Knitted easily breaks clinging to something, for branches, for example.
      - Cockades can be removed or made sewn from fabric.
      - Nonsense. In winter there is no less color than at other times. There are places where it is cold, but there is no snow. And in our mid-latitudes, this happens.
      - The same nonsense. Everyday uniform did not arise due to the whims of ministers or generals, but because other forms of uniform (ceremonial, field) were not always convenient for service.
      - I agree that they should be sewn. At the same time, I would remove all signs from the field form, except for differences in rank and specialty. And on the parade and everyday, I would leave only the combined arms emblems (the emblem of the army or type and type of troops) on one hand, on the other - the emblem of the unit, if any, otherwise the emblem of the military district or place of service (if the service is abroad) and enough.
      - Not nonsense. Now there are military specialties, when by occupation, you have to sit in many places, for example at a computer (and this is not only staff work). From my own experience I know that it is better to have special clothes for this (for example, a light shirt or T-shirt without any troubles in the form of ties and other things, and comfortable trousers, without arrows)
      “You won’t believe it, but both uniforms, equipment, and weapons are tested, and sometimes for several years.” And what is being adopted is often very different from the original samples. Although the overlays are not uncommon.
    5. +1
      20 January 2015 02: 24
      As for the boots, he always liked to ask such a question: Winter is about -30. Your task in full equipment is to go through a forest route where the foot constantly falls through and rises at an unnatural angle, the route also runs through a hill that you can climb only on toes because of a steep slope. What do you choose: Boots or modern boots with high berets?

      cotton and wool - better than any artificial fabrics / fillers,


      What are the best options?

      - winter hat - should be knitted,


      What to do with a knitted hat in a strong winter wind?
  9. +7
    19 January 2015 09: 53
    In the database zone, in practice, from my own experience, the requirements for uniforms are minimal. In winter, he wore underwear in the mountains - underpants and a T-shirt with a sleeve, a sweater (lint), although in parts of it we were strictly forbidden to wear, officer type, footcloths I will not exchange for anything !!!! Thank you, I tried socks - do not convince! Short pea jacket and a mask with a knitted hat (pi ... pka). In summer, in the mountains, he preferred a slide, in armor on the road he dressed sand from the park, no one objected, the main thing is that the blue helmet of the MC was with you. And of course the berets with the CORK !!!
  10. +6
    19 January 2015 09: 59
    And in the RPA in the Rostov region, according to the charter, I was on guard only for divorce. All the service went on guard XNUMX hours a day. How to intercede - well, what charter? Freeze yourself everything ??? Dressed in full - on a pea jacket on top of a sheepskin coat - here he came to the rescue! And boots, of course. Woolen socks, wraps of footcloths over, a knitted hat under the helmet.
    1. +2
      19 January 2015 11: 11
      A person does not freeze from the cold, but from the combination of cold + moisture. And you have two ways, the first to remove moisture (using modern fabrics and insulation) or to wrap cotton wool on yourself (Valenki + Pea jacket). The first option weighs 5 kg, the second 50 kg.
      1. +3
        19 January 2015 12: 19
        I didn’t set you a minus)). I agree about the combination of moisture and cold. Now in civilian life I can afford to buy the most modern materials without regard to the price. But! I wrote what I went through in real life myself and what I prefer, and what did you go through? Standing on a tower in the field? Did you complete the tasks in the old uniform and with new materials? And if it will be necessary - I’ll put on 50 kg, have you ever loaded equipment on a ramp of minus 40? Of the available heating, only krazy, and the batteries with them are already in a sealed car))
        1. +1
          20 January 2015 07: 05
          I apologize for the background of couch messages did not understand what you write. It seemed that this is another stone in the direction of down with high-tech, we will ride on scammers, they are more reliable :)

          My current work is related to the installation of a BS both at -40 and in the wind and all day overboard, on the roof of high-rise buildings. When they were just starting out from overalls, army pea jackets and felt boots were brought by someone, but it was warm, but to work in them was full, and even more so to fight. Then there was a cheap special one not syntepone, this is still pi * dec, frostbitten specifically. Now we are buying a special flask on a thermofiber (it’s indistinguishable from a synthetic winterizer, apparently from here there are tales that all these new technologies are bullshit) + winter boots with ventilation, I’ll tell you this in any frost.
  11. padonok.71
    +1
    19 January 2015 11: 51
    Quote: CIANIT
    Are there active servicemen on the site?
    Since 2014 - a pensioner, but here's what I will say:
    Quote: CIANIT
    I do not understand people who advocate footcloths, kirzachi, Afghan, etc. ..
    I agree only half. Modern materials are good. But at the exits I preferred a slide, and she was a hundred years old at lunchtime. On foot "walks" I wore VIBRAM with a sweat-wicking sock, but only until the mud, until the "rainy season", then only boots and a footcloth. In winter, on the shooting range or in secret - only a felt boot, otherwise a kerdyk. Etc. Do not think that our ancestors were worse than us. With friends-historians, before the new year, we went on a reenactment campaign, and you know - not bad. All these onuchi-wide trousers-tents are working. Yes, it is not so convenient and cumbersome, but again it is not a habit. So you cannot so indiscriminately find fault with everything old.
    Quote: CIANIT
    The army of a great power cannot look like a gang of collective farmers.
    Yes, in the field it does not matter how you look, the main thing is your effectiveness. Look at the plastunas - well, they are purely ragged, but they have caught up with the fear of the faithful.
    1. +2
      19 January 2015 16: 05
      Quote: padonok.71
      Since 2014 - a pensioner, but here's what I will say:

      Don't try the novel all over Russia. This is similar to the "dragon skin" that supermen only buy. Try to run up a hill at minus 20 in the mountains (which you have not seen in your eyes), this is so for self-education. For your friends from "Academy" or "Moyok" training center will not understand. Ponder the words sometimes ...
      Quote: padonok.71
      Look at the plastuns - well, purely ragged,
      What kind of plastuns? In Chechnya, and did not stand next. Have you tried to think?
      1. padonok.71
        0
        19 January 2015 20: 12
        Here I am in a white dress coat. Great and very "savvy" in military affairs, as in everything else and in all other sciences (judging by the aplomb) of sciences, a human being. I have such a mother-in-law - there are only two opinions, mine and not the correct one, well, by the way ...
        And now in order.
        Quote: Timeout
        No-tryndite novel throughout Russia.
        Have you caught me in a lie? Where? when? Facts, only facts. Until then, forgive me generously, but this is you balabol, throwing words down the drain.
        Next
        Quote: Timeout
        This is similar to the "dragon skin" that supermen only buy.
        Winter sharpening of the imagination? I don’t know what illusory world you live in, but how sad it is for you (I don’t know what hurts you like that) b / w dragon skin appeared at PMCs much earlier than regulars (not at all, but now no one at all ) - it is a fact. And the fact that it is better than the standard PASGT-V + Flexible Vest + SAPI is the same fact.
        Following.
        Quote: Timeout
        Try to run uphill at minus 20
        again they came up with about -20? No need to come up with my words for me.
        Still.
        Quote: Timeout
        in the mountains (which you have not seen in your eyes)
        You know better what I saw, what is not, right? balabol again.
        Still.
        Quote: Timeout
        Because your friends from "Academy" or "Moyok" training center will not understand
        about "Moyok" again invented? and again balabol. I have no friends there and when I didn’t speak about it. Among the former "mudnovodov" there are, and I do not refuse my words.
        Still.
        Quote: Timeout
        What kind of plastuns?
        Here are the ones. Do you know who in the photo? But briefly, for reference: The history of the Plastuns in the sovereign service began in 1787: for their merits in the Russian-Turkish war, to guard the borders and at the request of the Cossacks themselves, by the decree of Catherine II of June 2, 30, they moved to the Caucasus "so that on the one hand the Kuban River, on the other the Sea of ​​Azov up to the Yeisk town served as the border of the military land "- and became the Black Sea Cossack army.
        Quote: Timeout
        In Chechnya and did not stand nearby
        again sign for me, distort, here is the man here in the photo.
        And completing this opus, I want to tell you the following:
        Quote: Timeout
        Sometimes think about words ...

        Write again, not a respected balabol and an inventor, I read it with pleasure, I will not even minus it and I will not blacklist it. Where else do you respect such Hans-Christians.
        1. 0
          20 January 2015 02: 47
          Quote: padonok.71
          Have you caught me in a lie? Where? when? Facts, only facts. Until then, forgive me generously, but this is you balabol, throwing words down the drain.
          Next

          Why catch you in a lie? You yourself are not doing this badly, especially in your comments.
          Ignorance of elementary things speaks for itself. This is the first.
          Quote: padonok.71
          Winter sharpening of the imagination? I don’t know what illusory world you live in, but how sad it is for you (I don’t know what hurts you like that) b / w dragon skin appeared at PMCs much earlier than regulars (not at all, but now no one at all ) - it is a fact. And the fact that it is better than the standard PASGT-V + Flexible Vest + SAPI is the same fact.
          Following.

          We have already talked about skin and never received a clear answer.
          http://topwar.ru/64665-ak-12-avtomat-dlya-ekipirovki-ratnik.html#comment-id-3806

          967

          In this thread, for example. And for those who wish, a link to the state "skin" test.
          http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/files/dragon_skin_release_000121may07.pdf
          This is a screen of conclusion. In all respects, worse than the standard US Army BZ.
          This is the second.
          Quote: padonok.71
          again they came up with about -20? No need to come up with my words for me.
          Still.

          Dear who came up with you? Do not take my words out of context!
          Quote: padonok.71
          But at the exits he preferred a slide, and she was a hundred years old at lunch.

          Are not your words? By the way, on the Tersky Range now -20. And to this this.
          Quote: padonok.71
          You know better what I saw, what is not, right? balabol again.
          Others
          If you saw, they were silent about -20. This is the third.


          1. 0
            20 January 2015 03: 16
            Quote: padonok.71
            about "Moyok" again invented? and again balabol. I have no friends there and when I didn’t speak about it. Among the former "mudnovodov" there are, and I do not refuse my words.

            Again, if they found out, they would not resist, the Moyok Training Center is the "Academy" training center
            From quote my own post:
            Quote: Timeout
            Quote: padonok.71
            What academics have now turned into, I know better than yours and not from online publications, but t.s. firsthand.

            Is Moyok your native land? Yes, all the time 46 immigrants from the USSR worked in "BW", "Xe" or "Academy" and confirmed their loyalty. They all received a green card as a child and served in the US Army. There was no one from Russia and there is no one there. Prove the opposite, as you speak firsthand.

            This is already four.
            1. 0
              20 January 2015 03: 51
              Quote: padonok.71
              again sign for me, distort, here is the man here in the photo.
              And completing this opus, I want to tell you the following:
              Write again, not a respected balabol and an inventor, I read it with pleasure, I will not even minus it and I will not blacklist it. Where else do you respect such Hans-Christians.


              According to the military situation in 1842, the plastuns were even recognized as a separate family in the ranks of the military forces of the Black Sea army, their number was determined by the state: in horse regiments of 60, in foot battalions of 96 people each ...

              And by this time they had a form, and not trophy junk and did not look ragged.
              Yes, in the region of real Chechnya, they practically did not fight, there were not enough of them and there were enough other fronts, and there were much more Circassians. Just study the documents deeper, not on a diagonal. And fear is not driven by people, but by their actions. Cut out entire villages imitating the Circassians themselves, Cossacks-frontiersmen.
              And General Baklanov also does not need to be pulled in, because he was not a plastun.
              This is the fifth.
              1. 0
                20 January 2015 04: 16
                Quote: padonok.71
                Where else do you consider such Christian Hans

                Your pearls are enchanting! You are a comrade "officer" with your knowledge from Wikipedia, without even trying to grasp the essence of the issue, and even with friends from the "Academy" in dragon skin ...
                1. 0
                  20 January 2015 04: 54
                  Quote: padonok.71
                  Have you caught me in a lie? Where? when? Facts, only facts. Until then, forgive me generously, but this is you balabol, throwing words down the drain.

                  Quote: padonok.71
                  Since 2014 - a pensioner, but here's what I will say:


                  Yes, I forgot to say that the officers have an extreme retirement age of 45 years. Just do not say that they retired according to law No. 64-FZ of April 2, 2014, where the term is extended for 5 years, it took effect only in October 2014. As evidence of your lies, a fact from you:

                  Retired since 2014 ... Again, the materiel has not been learned. Don't care! Or are you an integral "colonel"? Not most likely just a three-star star!
                  1. padonok.71
                    0
                    20 January 2015 06: 52
                    And again I juggled it. I remember this moment. Gross Kaput wrote that he was 50, I congratulated him (from the whole heart) and at that time I was still in the forum rank. Again rigged. According to the plastunas, I see what they revered, now they were in Chechnya, but little by little. About the hill - where did I write that in winter / went to the mountains in it? Or do you have a way out means mountains? Oh balabol-whistleblower. And on all other points the same thing. You remind me of Rezun, it seems, and the truth is telling and everything is folding, but deeper than kopnesh - balabol.
                    P.S. about my age, I wrote in the "zaruba" for Jewish tanks, look if you want. Just not like with Gross Kaput, don’t screw yourself up again.
                    1. 0
                      20 January 2015 10: 00
                      Quote: padonok.71
                      I remember this moment. Gross Kaput wrote that he was 50

                      Dear, Kaput was not present in that topic. So the attempt to get rid of your words you failed.
                      http://topwar.ru/43132-ugolovnaya-otvetstvennost-za-reabilitaciyu-nacizma-v-ross




                      ii.html # comment-id-2214624

                      Your words are absolutely not attached to anything in this topic. So why zvezdezh? I’m on the drum, your statements, because what you flew out you won’t catch. For your information, my great-grandfather - a Cossack was born in the village of Chervlenoy, in Chechnya, so I simply did not have to find out how many Cossacks were there and what the army was called too. But the theory of intelligence is still taught in the Soviet school, there is a date there too.
                      Quote: padonok.71
                      About the hill - where I wrote that in winter / went to the mountains in it

                      So you yourself are drumming into your chest about participation. Or is the exploration carried out only in the summer? The shelling of a half-battalion during a march in a convoy is a great expression for an officer. And your fairy tales about GP will surprise many. Especially about the preparation time for the shot. Or about the taxiway for a 10-day exit which was enough for you. And about the caches generally touched. Or the fact that even Lopatov has questioned your alleged "knowledge". Especially about the "closed" courses of the RVVDKU for 1,5 years. When, for advanced training, all ground scouts are sent only to the NVVKU, for 6 months, and only in 13 year was transferred to Ryazan. I liked very much about the GM-94 in intelligence, which they allegedly gave you. And running from tanks and shooting from the "Fly". Personal "HP". About the trunk in general from the age of 18, despite the fact that they served a term, this is according to your statements. Blizzards dohrena ... Specific expressions suitable more for a teenager with a deviant behavior.
                      You have not presented a single fact of you rehabilitating. But the fleas in the comments ... Only one torsion of the type of one insect, but the truth is still not visible. So you did not convince me, only a lie.
                      1. padonok.71
                        0
                        20 January 2015 11: 09
                        To convince you? Even in my thoughts, I know people like you. With the same success, the post can be persuaded. Submitting facts to your rehab? And you, excuse me, who? Judge? Prosecutor? And you know how it turns out, you are like that in the role of a state prosecutor, you sit and shower with "facts": you talked about a slide at -20 !. I - no, I didn't say, these are my words. You - eh! Did not work out. But he said that you are 50! I spoke, but not me. Damn it! And then bummer! And here's more about the GP you have jambs! I - and I know, I probably won't say anything. Beat your chest, swelling with your own "cool". Of course, a hereditary Cossack and from Chechnya itself, a thunderstorm of abreks and a man in each teip, but for some reason they did not know about the scouts. Lopatov was interlaced, but he generally talked about something else. Good luck on your witch hunt.
                      2. 0
                        20 January 2015 21: 26
                        it’s worthless to take the position. if quoted:

                        The shelling of a half-battalion during a march in a convoy is a great expression for an officer. And your fairy tales about GP will surprise many. Especially about the preparation time for the shot. Or about the taxiway for a 10-day exit which was enough for you. And about the caches generally touched. Especially about the "closed" courses of the RVVDKU for 1,5 years. When, for advanced training, all ground scouts are sent only to the NVVKU, for 6 months, and only in 13 year was transferred to Ryazan. I liked very much about GM-94 in intelligence


                        there was a place to be, then this is a failure ...))
                        need to leave with honor
                      3. padonok.71
                        0
                        21 January 2015 12: 48
                        I see that you are with "Time" old "roots" and most likely you will not hear me, but still. What happened?
                        Quote: Gleb
                        Half-division firing during a column march, excellent expression for an officer
                        Is the column on the march not fired upon? is she not touched? Or the half-division cannot fire on the convoy? And do not tell me about "conducting the march", theory is one, but practice ...
                        Quote: Gleb
                        And your fairy tales about GP will surprise many. Especially about the time of his preparation for the shot
                        Again "verbal murmur", the GP is not preparing for a shot? Not charging? Or rushes with a shot "in the barrel"? Okay, God bless him. Following
                        Quote: Gleb
                        Or about RD for a 10-day output of which you had enough. And about caches generally touched.
                        I don't know what you are carrying with you there, but yes, the RD for 10 days, taking into account the industrial bookmarks (have you heard?) Is quite enough. About RVVDKU I will not say anything at all, your friend must be with Shcherbak "eating vodka" and he himself told him who and when he was quietly learning. And finally, about GMK in intelligence. Of course, it is not used, only the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but intelligence with slingshots, yes "cleavers" dissects. But for some reason, the scouts do not know about it and by hook or by hook are trying to "twist" if they hold it in their hands. Okay enough, make excuses here in front of you, I'll go drink some valerian drinks.
                        As they say, Socrates is my friend !, and the truth ...
                        And with a gun a shitty joke, not funny, if you want to hunt for your bowler, you can’t think about strangers, huh?
                      4. 0
                        21 January 2015 18: 57
                        I'll go drink a valerian.
                        And with a gun a shitty joke, not funny, if you want to hunt for your bowler, you can’t think about strangers, huh?

                        oh well, don’t be sad, I’m humorless without malice. here you can only laugh and stay, because with RD for 10 days, well, just the top of stupidity ... (probably they ate the lizards alive, but they shot quail, and that’s on the fly) It seems to me not only to any intelligence officer, but also to any tourist, and even a schoolboy who has gone on a camping trip at least once in his life.
                        what is an industrial bookmark, I'm afraid to imagine even)
                        by the way about 10 days ... I’d really like to know where you went through it? Of course it happened (I probably don’t often remember such exits. I myself know about maximum weekly), but these exits were really combat, with certain tasks, but there the nuances, why they were long and where you served. I know that in the mountains, where only on board they throw this happened.
                        and everything else Timeout correctly criticized
        2. 0
          20 January 2015 04: 46
          about -20 he’s right, bearing in mind that the output is not only dry and warm? It’s clear that the hill, but on top of that you put on the same cold
          Modern materials
          ?
          I remember my own, quite a while ago, jackets certainly didn’t take, but the Alabove overalls in the mountains saved, and they seemed to be made of modern materials. And today it’s generally no problem to find modern and comfortable jackets.
          1. 0
            20 January 2015 05: 17
            Quote: Gleb
            about -20 he’s right,

            Do you know the specifics of the exit? Try to put it under a pea jacket, and tarpaulin does not retain heat. In a classic slide, it’s cold in winter and hot in summer, it’s just convenient for specific tasks. Yes, and the problem of troops with extra uniforms, the wizard did not fit during the time, and all the personnel are choking. What are the coveralls or thermal underwear in the troops in 1995 or 1999?
            1. 0
              20 January 2015 05: 43
              Do you know the specifics of the exit? Try to put it under a pea jacket, and tarpaulin does not keep warm
              I know, I went more than once)
              I didn’t understand about the pea jacket? I didn’t say anything for him (but I meant your point, my old friend)).
              In a classic slide, it’s cold in winter and hot in summer, it’s just convenient for specific tasks.
              and what are the options in the summer? camouflage uniforms? what’s your unit’s three-day way out? It was hot in my boots, but that doesn’t mean that I had to go in sneakers, given the terrain and the weather.
              about winter below.
              What are the coveralls or thermal underwear in the troops in 1995 or 1999?
              well, it’s clear that there were not only overalls there ... I already wrote what I personally did: the padding from padded jackets for shorts, the padding from pea jackets for a sleeveless jacket were cut off, and it was worn. Up or down, how convenient. yes and after the 95th or There was no end of the world and there was no way out. Personally, we bought everything ourselves, got it and in the 99s we could already buy a jumpsuit or jacket in the same Caucasus on the market.
              here are ours in the photo. PP is visible? it’s just an alloy jacket in it and it lies. although the exit was for one night, but above 2200 above sea level at that altitude (to the left up) it was already fresh and snow was literally waist-deep.
              1. 0
                20 January 2015 07: 30
                Quote: Gleb
                but I meant your correctness,

                Sorry then! As they say they did not understand each other. About pea jacket simply, there was one type who tried so hard not to freeze.
                Quote: Gleb
                and what are the options in the summer?

                In the summer, at first, there was an ordinary "birch" for brilliant green. With the advent of all kinds of "slides" in the military, basically everyone switched to them. Sneakers were worn as without them. But then everyone switched to Czech "tourists" (I'm talking about 95-96). In September 95, humanitarian aid was brought, and in it were Norwegian jackets with thick fleece jackets, who had the opportunity to exchange or buy. For the blue linen, the linen, on top of this jacket and the slide made it possible to walk even in cold weather. On the second, it was easier, the Bundesian Arctic in winter in a complete set, was sold in Rostov. So we also got out as best we could.
  12. +3
    19 January 2015 11: 59
    the important thing is not written: does the fabric shield infrared radiation? In modern conditions, this is important. The NATO form seems to be screening.
  13. +4
    19 January 2015 12: 50
    And I would leave the footcloths. Let as an additional kit. Even in berets - normal. You can simply rewind the other side, and socks in a non-combat situation, the same is normal, only you need to learn to wind. Who used, knows what problems arise when not correctly wound !!! It seems simple, but ....
    1. +2
      19 January 2015 13: 53
      For Old Believers there are half-deck footcloths. And even a vest laughing
  14. +1
    19 January 2015 13: 38
    Upset that winter trousers with non-removable insulation. Is it a heater? With light sadness I look at the old pants on the "glass". Received them in 2002.
    H.Z. how much did they dust before !? I go to them for winter fishing -20 C. But camouflage hasn’t even faded!
    1. 0
      19 January 2015 13: 54
      See ruled socks. There, trousers are worn over two layers.
    2. jjj
      0
      19 January 2015 17: 12
      Quote: Fobos-grunt
      It was disappointing that winter trousers with a fixed heater

      But with valves, so that the act of defecation does not force to undress everything
  15. +1
    19 January 2015 15: 03
    - My hands have not yet reached VKBO ... but I wear some items from a similar set from "Helikon": the underwear mesh made of synthetics, is easily washed, even in cold water, dries very quickly (unlike the old coarse calico or knitted samples) ... The fleece of the second and third layers in combination with a windbreaker (plus armor) keeps heat up to -10 degrees, (if at least somehow move then up to -15) The presence of a wind and moisture protection layer is good - in our region it is more in demand than a sheepskin coat. smile
    - There are truth and questions: whether rubber boots (or at least leg warmers) are included in the kit, and whether there will be color options, it would be nice to take into account local conditions, we have 8 months. in the year the landscape is yellow-brown and brown, at least snow (this year there is none at all) and the new form is more likely green ...
    1. +1
      19 January 2015 15: 46
      - Something like this, galleries ...
  16. +1
    19 January 2015 15: 31
    Nothing so shape, although the hat is not very.
    Could the external design and think more brutal. This is the army.
    Although ... it's just my opinion.
  17. UN-IFOR-SFOR
    +1
    19 January 2015 19: 00
    This is an EVOLUTION in the field of clothing. I don’t see any cons, from my own experience. Anyway, it's better than the previous one.
    + + +
    1. Wear resistance (ripstop, however).
    2. Lightness (the warriors of the 90s have something to compare), low weight (in comparison). The membrane speaks for itself.
    3. In layers - always warmer (fleece, membrane - not cotton).
    4. Does not restrict movement (experienced - remember the movement (especially in winter) on-, in- "armor").
    5. Optimal form of wearing.
    6. Shoes-berets (synthetic materials), under them and socks. Who is against - run in boots.
    7. Etc.
    Conclusion: comfort = lightness = speed = mobility.
    PS Do not forget the unloading (in my opinion - successful) vest.
    ---
    1. Not enough tactical rifle gloves.
    IMHO from my own experience: 18 years in 4 different law enforcement agencies, the Balkans, the Caucasus.
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  19. erg
    +1
    19 January 2015 20: 17
    An excursion into history on the topic. I recently read the drill charter of 1796, the beginning of the reign of Paul 1. That's how the charter needed to be insulated. Firstly, a camisole was worn under the caftan, in cut, like the caftan is only narrower. From May 1 to September 1 - the caftan was worn completely unfastened, the floors on the sides were tucked up, a harness underneath it over the camisole. From September 1 to November 1 - the caftan was fastened in the upper part, a harness under it. From November 1 to March 1 - the caftan was completely fastened, the floors were turned away, belting over the caftan. From March 1 to May 1 - again only buttoned up. At the same time, from the old camisole (the second term, that is, related to the year), it was prescribed to sew gloves, feed caps and sheepskin coats on a sheepskin under a camisole (that is, a sheepskin coat should look like a camisole, but on a sheepskin). Such a sheepskin coat was worn under a caftan in cold weather. At the same time, it was indicated that the caftan should be sewn in such a way that it could stretch when putting on this insulation. And to top it off, in cold and rainy weather, a greatcoat was put on (just introduced by Paul 1 for everyone except the hussars).
    Well, and what is not a prototype of multilayer clothing. Verily, the new is the well-forgotten old.
  20. +1
    19 January 2015 22: 18
    I don’t know how with functionality, but the hat looks ugly, everyone with whom I spoke was not happy with it.
  21. +1
    20 January 2015 04: 02
    1. A cap with earflaps looks like a cheap Chinese hat, it does not have a Russian spirit.
    2. Someone enlighten me about the flag of the Russian Federation on the sleeve, okay, the Russian Armed Forces and the coat of arms, well, I can understand the name on the chest (like a good commander of subordinates does not remember), but why should I flag it?
    3. Scarf and balaclava - leave one balaclava, it closes the chest and neck perfectly and when you need a face-face!
    It should be taken only from special combat arms, airborne forces, MP and explosives (speckled), that's all! All the other caps.
    In the field and everyday uniforms insignia on the collar as before 43 years old, with cubars and triangles, the front door with shoulder straps.
    I hope all this beauty is produced in Russia and from Russian materials (well, or at least from Belarusian-Kazakh) ?!
    4. Remove the caps of the airdrome-pinochet to a hair dryer, ashamed to watch! soldier
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      20 January 2015 17: 03
      There is no Russian spirit in it. And there was a lot of Russian spirit in the form of a soldier in 1812. This did not stop me from loving my homeland and dying for it. The field uniform must first of all be functional, but the appearance - here, as they say, the taste and color of a friend is not. Whatever you come up with, there will still be someone dissatisfied with the appearance. In the reign of Alexander III, they used to resign because they did not like the new form in the "muzhik" style. Maria Fedorovna, the wife of Alexander 3, could not stand the ceremonial uniform introduced under Nicholas 3 (from the memoirs of the military attaché of Russia, colonel of the General Staff, Count Ignatiev).
      About the flag. They just decided that for better identification of the state. accessories you need to enter a patch with a flag. The fact is that emblems with a coat of arms are emblems by the genus and type of the armed forces. just in accordance with Russian tradition and Russian law, they can be created (emblems) with elements (figures) of the State Emblem. In tsarist times, they usually took the main figure, an eagle without a shield (Russian heraldry allows this) and supplemented with appropriate fittings (elements) indicating the kind of weapon. But even then and now these emblems spoke of the specialization of the military man. On state. belonging to the tsarist time said the cockade, then of uniform (stamp) colors for the entire state. service. Sometimes they were also called Romanovskie flowers, implying that members of the reigning dynasty could use the state. coat of arms, as personal but not generic. Badges and emblems with an eagle, often coexisted in a uniform, but now the badge on the headdress (it can not be called a cockade today in the full sense of the word) indicates departmental affiliation within the state. Therefore, they introduced the emblem in the form of a flag. Actually, the eagle in the emblems can show the state. affiliation, but apparently decided, not only in our coat of arms has a two-headed eagle (In Serbia, for example. And they also have two-headed military emblems.), then it is better to play it safe. Although it also seems to me an excess, at least domestically.
      A scarf and a balaclava - let both remain, the soldier himself will choose what he needs at the moment.
      I agree about berets.
      Insignia - they were abandoned because of less convenience compared to shoulder straps. Epaulettes can be removed on occasion, outweighed in another form, etc. A valve with insignia on the collar must be unfastened. By the way, the transition or return to shoulder straps was planned back in the 40th year of the 20th century, but then hands did not reach.
      About caps, I wrote above that you still can’t please everyone. No matter what style you come up with, there will still be critics. Caps, moreover, the invention is Russian. Around 1807 (or somewhat earlier), by the decree of Emperor Alexander 1, the style of forage hats was changed (before that they were in the form of night caps with a brush on the end, well, or a la Pinocchio). They began to sew, like modern hats, only without visors. Then they began to sew on visors, pairing them with shakos (the order of the army commander from 1807 with a similar indication was preserved). Further, it was established that officers and, often, non-combatants, wear a cap with a visor. Soldiers - a peakless visor. Since the 20th century, only sailors have been left with visors. During the Napoleonic Wars, the Prussians took over the Russian forage cap from us.
  22. +1
    20 January 2015 10: 33
    Quote: SergeySh
    I had the opportunity to try, I disagree with you on all points! If only you are not a deputy on the rear, then yes footcloths are better than socks and boots more convenient.

    The fact that they do not agree is not scary; will survive. No, I'm not a logistician; I am a border guard, I serve for a long time, I walk a lot (for a shift - from 12 to 30 km; there were even more) in the "not equipped area" - all-season, around the clock, in any weather (machine gun, binoculars, radio station, knapsack (drink, eat, bandages ), flare gun, ammunition).
    What kind of uniform did I wear from the 80s to the present day! But most of all I liked the first "birch" and the Afghan woman.
    The forum format does not imply a long, detailed and detailed answer. For example, about buttons.
    But this item extremely important, therefore, briefly touch on:
    - there are no positive qualities of the Velcro type "Velcro" at all! Some disadvantages: noisy, quickly stops working due to wear or clogging (have you ever crawled?), Therefore - unreliable, cannot be repaired.
    - there is only one convenience in a zipper - quick fastening and unfastening; noisy, when bent - diverges, if one fragment breaks - it completely fails, cannot be repaired.
    - buttons have some advantages: they silently "work", securely fix, the absence of one or two buttons practically does not affect the ability to fasten clothes (for protection from cold, wind, rain), allows you to vary the degree of "fastening", and most importantly - the ability to quickly and complete restoration of functionality!
    He sat down for five minutes, pulled a needle and thread out of his hat, sewed it and went on. Moreover, if necessary, the standard buttons can be replaced with a suitable analogue. For example, a boss from a tree branch.
    Estimate: there is a war, you are in the trenches (in the forest, in the mountains), and here, grunting - lightning broke! What will you do?
    I have to take into account this moment - separation from the base and the inability to interrupt the performance of the military-combat mission of guarding the state border.
    I had to see on others and experience all the "delights" of using these form elements - velcro, zippers and buttons. The conclusion is unambiguous: only buttons!
    And I know how the rear service in wartime will provide me - in any way!
    I wonder how you argue your rejection of my first point?
  23. +1
    20 January 2015 10: 47
    For those who are particularly blinkered: when I mention boots, some people do not think of anything other than "tarpaulin".
    I am talking about the shape of shoes and the principle of protection of the feet.
    The same boots can be made at the modern technological level, using modern materials, a different style.
    But any form and its elements should, first of all, meet the interests of a belligerent Russian soldier, and not staff rats in peacetime.
    In our country, even in peacetime, there is no supply, and if a war starts, you can only rely on yourself.
    Ankle boots with shoelaces - the notion of foreign idiots. I berets can fault on five sheets of A4 format.
    Here someone wrote about footcloths in ankle boots. Modern ankle boots have a low arch (rise), designed for socks. And boots designed for dressing "in the bootleg" have a high rise - which allows you to increase the layer of footcloths.
    In general, the well-known Yu. Veremeev best wrote about boots.
    I recommend asking a question - http://army.armor.kiev.ua/hist/sapogi.shtml

    Wacky cockade and shiny metal emblems / stars - a great aiming point for the enemy.
    Read the memoirs of our sniper Zaitsev - how he shot and how they shot him.
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      20 January 2015 22: 40
      For those who are particularly blinkered: when I mention boots, some people do not think of anything other than "tarpaulin".
      I am talking about the shape of shoes and the principle of protection of the feet.
      The same boots can be made at the modern technological level, using modern materials, a different style.


      Well, you should immediately write what exactly do you mean, but rather describe your vision of military shoes applicable to the conditions of use with your argument and examples of such shoes. We will all be very interested, really.

      I recommend asking a question - http://army.armor.kiev.ua/hist/sapogi.shtml


      Read. Ordinary hat-writing article where praise the pluses of boots compared to boots old style and are silent about the cons. Similar opuses are also found.

      Try walking in boots, say early in the morning on the dewy grass. Your pants, and therefore your legs, will instantly become wet


      The one who wrote this apparently does not know that for many years all membrane boots have been using membrane fabric that does not leak moisture (as well as boots) and that the most important thing and what is missing from the boots is letting steam through.
    2. 0
      23 January 2015 00: 22
      I agree about the buttons, I changed it to the VKBO.
      Boots are possible, although I walk no less, just more care is required for my feet. WKBO - shny winter "cosmobots" I will not trade for anything !!!
      And the emblems on the VKBO are regularly embroidered, I was sewn tightly sewn without Velcro. The stars are plastic, they sit normally, after a month of fields did not sow a single one.
      Of course, if we exclude the commander's "fool", such as "On the vole, gold stars and yellow sewing."
      ps Even the Avantine woman required improvements. And in the VKBO, maneuver with the possibilities of combinations is much wider.
  24. 0
    20 January 2015 12: 33
    And the Russian post is not far behind)
    1. 0
      20 January 2015 12: 39
      Minus for Photoshop. In reality, it is not black, but dark blue.
      1. 0
        20 January 2015 12: 47
        Now google it and see for yourself. And about Photoshop this is such an excuse Russian Post came up with.
        And google on the Nazi form. Perhaps you will not find black in the movies
    2. 0
      20 January 2015 13: 16
      - However ... Post offices are closing - and they are ordering the form! fool
    3. +1
      23 January 2015 00: 26
      Joke. Sir! Sir! Jews live on my ground floor and a shop on the next street is kept by Jews and Jews are at work - I can give you a phone number and address! ...
      Go to ... !!! I am a postman !!!
  25. 0
    22 January 2015 16: 10
    and where is the "warrior" ... :)
    there seems to be a lot of everything
    1. +1
      23 January 2015 00: 50
      Warrior. Separate category. WKBO is only a set of clothing support. There are several of them:
      1. The uniform system - VKBO;
      2. Protection system - armor.
      3. The medical support system and RHBZ - there are first-aid kits and a chemical suit such as a gas mask, a gas mask, a respirator mask, in the future a linen sensor for determining damage and surgical assistance (there are microcapsules with hemostatic and antiseptics in the underwear for the time being at the TTZ stage);
      4. Weapons system - fire complex (light shooting, grenade launcher, grenade launcher). Aiming systems integrated, digital television and passive optical. Night systems.
      5. And the main feature. The software and hardware complex for communication, control and navigation is in Ratnik. Reconnaissance has KRUS "Strelets" (intelligence, control and communications complex). The "Sagittarius" is broader in capabilities, there is a "wide-range optical complex for reconnaissance and target designation" (binoculars with a night light, a laser rangefinder and target illumination, a mediocre digital camera, but ours, and a calculator for calculating target coordinates according to the sensor readings). The smart toy, even dropped into the "quiet", did not break. You can dock a surveillance radar, something like "Lights-1" did not see, but there is a connector for it.
      The meaning is simple - a digital radio station, a tablet computer, Glonas, WiFi. how it works - roughly similar to "Map21". If this thing works fine then the company commander has a real real-time strategy. And also a light UAV can be integrated to get a video picture. But as a minus, all this increases the weight of equipment and things on you. A dead spirit will not carry away.
  26. 0
    24 January 2015 20: 17
    Quote: Homo
    Quote: padonok.71
    Where is the parade? Where is the guard kit (boots + sheepskin coat)?

    - All-season set of basic uniforms (VKBO). Does the word "basic" mean anything to you?
    Quote: padonok.71
    In the summer. Where is panama? Where are the shorts?

    - This is where in Russia we need panama and shorts?
    Quote: padonok.71
    Where is the shirt / short sleeve t-shirt?

    - When and where did the soldiers have "shirts" with short sleeves?

    Astrakhan region - in the summer above plus 40 in the shade
  27. 0
    28 January 2015 19: 48
    Camouflage coloring about anything! Merges even at close range into a solid green spot. Spots in my opinion should be the largest, more smeared. And the seasons should differ in idea in color. In winter, for example, green should be replaced with dirty gray ... For Americans, camouflage visually lubricates the silhouette at any distance ...
  28. 0
    30 January 2015 09: 39
    This form is nishtyak, but will everyone see it, because there are still parts where they go in tunics. Where is the money interesting to go? request
  29. 0
    April 3 2015 06: 43
    Dukhanka is cooler))) as a punishment
  30. 0
    April 3 2015 06: 45
    at 96 they also put Peter 1 (cigarettes) on allowance; they are still missing
  31. 0
    10 July 2015 22: 26
    NOT FORM, AND WORKWEAR SOMETHING! You look at the officers in a modern form - they somehow feel sorry for them, neither look nor gloss .. Like some sort of chop. There are no uniforms and / or tunic, no shoulder straps, instead of them with Velcro surnames and similarity of insignia, there are no belts, some caps are wrinkled ... Oh, one thing is the uniform for the field, and the other is the full uniform! Compare the dress uniform of the Soviet officer and the modern one .... On Red Square for about 20 years now they have been walking in voles and berets. Where are the boots? Why are they a berets worse? It’s also hot to walk in berets .... An officer and a soldier should look worthy and with their appearance should arouse pride among the people they defend, and not gloom!
  32. 0
    11 February 2016 11: 04
    Got a uniform, summer pants are almost small for everyone ... but it doesn’t matter ... we’ll fix it ..
    Shoes .... less than the 40th, the girls were given nothing to us. they said do not take the berets - we will not give the whole bag ....
    Now I'm waiting to change the 40th size of the trench to my own 37th ....
    Underwear soars and the body is very itchy from it .... in the evening I took off the underwear and all the skin is like red after nettles ... but it doesn’t matter .... underneath you can come up with your own thread ... maybe they won’t be for the ladies look underneath ...
    The top is big ... they’ve taken off .... it doesn’t matter either ...
    But one thing is alarming, at our communication center in the summer it is up to 35-40 degrees of heat ..... and I don’t even know how and what to wear from the presented form ....
    The form hovers, even compared to the previous one, it is in the red ....
    Outwardly she is prettier .... and only outwardly .... It was necessary for this tailor to put on all this and to serve a couple of months from each season of the year in the north and in the south, where horses can be moved from the heat ... then I think the shape changed its content ...
  33. 0
    6 June 2016 14: 54
    Yes, the ratio of pp pants and jackets, was in the Union, if LJ is not wider than the shoulders, and such were sometimes in pieces. correctly, they selected, so as not to suture the jacket a size larger
  34. 0
    6 June 2016 15: 19
    yes longing for the Soviet parade is a classic, now the eternal flame looks more like comic strippers, about pashua aerodorm, remember sickening reforms of the Army in the banana republic, the sun was rolled away immediately, and then below the baseboard ... and the first Yudashkinsky experimental experiment .. side pockets were removed