Donbass Voentorg. New Russia has its own forces

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Donbass Voentorg. New Russia has its own forces2014.11.23 Boris Alexandrovich Rozhin in the article “Who started the war
Accurately and convincingly (for all but professional Ukrainians - those who hope to benefit from separation of Ukraine from the rest of Russia) showed: Kyiv separatists were the first to use the champions of the separation of the south-western part of the Russian people, from the Polish hard hand called Okraintsy, from the rest Russians; the Russian majority of Ukrainian citizens were initially in the position of forced defense and resorted to force only to the extent of repulse against the separatist pressure of the punishers subordinate to Kiev; by the time the first Russian volunteers appeared in the Donbass, local residents had already formed structures that resisted irregular punitive detachments, although they were not yet ready to fight full-fledged troops or even Ukrainian troops. I suppose familiarity with this chronological selection exhausts the discussion of recent interviews with the former Minister of Defense of the Donetsk People's Republic: with all due respect for his military talents, he often expounds his thoughts so ambiguously that many words have accumulated around his words - including undoubtedly perverse ones. And the accusation of the Russian Federation, as a state, of organizing, or at least provoking, the transition of the anti-separatist movement into a force form, is even less closed.

But even if the authorities of the Russian Federation are not involved in the beginning of the struggle against the Kiev separatists (and the Galician Nazis, whose self-promotion serves as the ideological basis of Kiev separatism), how does the already liberated part of Novorossia resist for so long, though upset, but still the state military machine? Why, when the regular troops of Ukraine entered the business, are they just as regularly beaten? Where do the millions of rounds and thousands of shells needed for every day of a serious battle come from?

Donetsk coal basin - no later than the fourth time industrial region of Russia (if sclerosis does not change me - after the Moscow-Tula, Ural, St. Petersburg). The Lugansk plant supplied the Sevastopol defense of the 1854 – 55 with guns. And with the advent of nitration — a method of producing explosives by treating various organics with a mixture of nitric and sulfuric acids — it was Donbass that became one of the country's largest producers of ammunition.

Donbass is not the world's largest mass of coal. Yes, the layers there are mostly relatively thin (in some mines layers of coal a little more than half a meter thick are developed, so they create especially compact equipment or even work by hand), and often steeply dipping. But almost all Donbass coal is either low-ash energy or coking. Therefore, metallurgy is developed primarily in the region (the benefit is the Krivoy Rog iron ore basin). For her, thousands of coke oven batteries heat the coal without air.

Microporous carbon is almost pure - coke is not the only result of this process. Oxides of nitrogen (of which they make nitric acid) and resin containing a significant proportion of benzene C6H6 and its derivatives phenol (hydroxyl –OH is attached to the benzene ring) and toluene (methyl –CH3 is attached to the same ring) are of equal importance. Trinitrobenzene can be obtained by nitration (and on its basis further chemical manipulations create especially powerful hexanitrobenzene and heat-resistant triaminotrinitrobenzene), trinitrophenol — melinite (from French miel — honey; in molten form is really similar) and trinitrotoluene — trotyl. All these substances are powerful explosives. However, melinite reacts easily with metals, and the salts obtained are very sensitive: in the Russian-Japanese war dozens of Japanese ship cannons were destroyed by internal explosions of shells stuffed with chimoses (by the name of the chemist who organized trinitrophenol production in Japan), and after the war the explosion in the artillery cellar destroyed flagship battleship "Mikaza". But TNT is exemplary safe in handling: it is chemically stable, it burns and melts in the fire without an explosion, does not explode in its cast form even with a rifle bullet. So, coke chemistry provides the production of the main stuffing for shells.

In the 20th century, other types of production were added to coke chemistry. atmospheric nitrogen fixation by the method conceptually found laureate (1918) Nobel Prize in Chemistry 'for synthesis of ammonia from its constituent elements "Friedrich Zigfridovich Haber (1868.12.09-1934.01.29) and technologically nuanced laureate (1931, Frederick Haynrihovichem Bergius (1884.10.11-1949.03.31)) The Nobel Prize in Chemistry "for merits in the introduction and development of high-pressure methods in chemistry" by Karl Karlovich Bosch (1874.08.27 – 1940.04.26), made it possible to create the industry of nitric acid in an amount incomparably greater than that produced by coke chemistry, and nitrogen fertilizers - primarily ammonium nitrate NH4NO3, also used in a variety of explosives. True, Severodonetsk, where Azot, one of the largest chemical plants in the USSR, is located (I was there at 1978 at a conference organized by the Severodonetsk creator of control computers, NPO Impuls, to show my latest developments applied by Nitrogen ; in total, I was on business trips on the “Impulse” 15 time), now occupied by Kiev punishers. But knowing the density of the intra-Donbass railway network, I suppose that during the battles with these punishers, it was possible to export many tens of thousands of tons of acid and saltpeter from the warehouse of the combine to other chemical enterprises of the region.

Ammonium nitrate-based explosive mixtures are insensitive: powerful detonators are needed to activate them. But there are such a dime a dozen in the Donbass: after all, nitrate with the addition of diesel fuel is the most common industrial explosive used in mining millions of times a year. A mixture of ammonium nitrate with diesel fuel - igdanit, since the optimal composition (7% of diesel fuel) was developed at the Institute of Mining of the Academy of Sciences (IGDAN) named after an outstanding specialist in air exchange in mines and mining safety of academician Alexander Aleksandrovich Skochinsky (1874.07.13 – 1960.10.06) - quickly splits , but almost any competent miner will be able to make a high-explosive bookmark from it while the enemy from the horizon approaches the place of this bookmark. Mixtures with aluminum powder — ammonals — are also short-lived: without a protective oil film on the surface, the powder quickly oxidizes. But alloys with TNT - ammatol - are stable and safe to handle, and at times more powerful than TNT. Three-component alloy - ammonium nitrate, aluminum powder, TNT - again, powerful, safe, and also relatively cheap. Nitrate-based alloys are suitable for mortar and rockets, and with small additions of stabilizers, they are also stable in cannon ammunition.

By nitration of cellulose, pyroxylin is obtained - the basis of smokeless powders. True, cotton for Donbass was imported from outside, but several decades ago, as far as I heard, they mastered the nitration of wood pulp, and there are paper factories near Donbass. There is little non-ferrous metallurgy in the Donbas, but even in Soviet times, the production of ferrous metal liners and the production of waterproof coatings were mastered, first lacquer and then polymer. So for the Lugansk cartridge plant in the region, there is enough raw materials. And he worked even in the years ukronezavisimosti.

It is not enough to create cartridges, shells and even missiles (and ammunition for multiple launch rocket systems is not much more difficult to produce than artillery shots of a comparable caliber). We must also have something to release them from. At first, the militias had mainly machine guns and hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers with armory warehouses of local police departments, the security service of Ukraine and several military units that sided with the law against the coup in Kiev. But soon they had their own guns, launchers, armored personnel carriers and Tanks - including those that were not produced not only in the Donbass, but even in Kharkov factories (and Kharkov in Soviet times became one of the main centers for the development and production of tanks). Naturally, Kiev puppets and their Western puppeteers immediately declared all this as generous gifts of the Russian Federation (and the Russian Federation itself as an aggressor).

The first copies of heavy weapons and self-propelled vehicles used by the militias, no doubt, came to them from the military units of Ukraine - testimony and video recordings of trophy would be enough even for the most biased court. And in the future trophies were more than enough for the most serious combat activity. Unfortunately, in the armed forces of Ukraine there are still quite a few people who sincerely believe that they are not at war with their own people, and therefore are trying to bring down everything they cannot take with them when they leave the encirclement. But Donbass has a huge fleet of repair services of the most varied profile: not to mention everything else, so much technology is used in mining and it accumulates for so long that the masters can repair all the metal.

Nevertheless, trophies are really not the only channel for replenishing the technical arsenal of the armed forces of New Russia by the armed forces of Ukraine. One of the main characters of the series "Soldiers" - Ensign Shmatko - is not for nothing that he has the South Russian surname. Even in imperial times, the quartermaster of Little Russian origin became famous even against the general background. But the background was impressive. Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov (1730.11.24 – 1800.05.18) at the beginning of the Seven Years War (1756 – 1763) landed his rear service, but in 1758 he achieved his transfer to the army and explained the desire for this briefly: “Anyone who has served for two years must be shot down for the quartermaster.” without trial. " In Soviet times, legends about Ukrainian ensigns competed with legends about Jewish speculators (both are far from unreasonable). In the post-Soviet hard times, the Ukrainian army managed to unofficially sell off almost all the reserves accumulated by the USSR for a strike through the Allied Balkan countries in Greece with Turkey and through almost neutral Yugoslavia in Italy. Can anyone really believe that some of the generous customers - for example, the Novorossiysk militias - will not be paid attention simply for political reasons?

2014.04.12 – 07.06 Artyomovsk, Donetsk region officially stayed under the flag of Donetsk People’s Republic. At that time, on the night of 2014.06.20, the militia stormed the enormous armored vehicles storage base in the city for an hour, but achieved nothing and retreated without entering the territory. Nevertheless, soon there were reports: the militia have taken on the basis of equipment. First, the stories found propaganda disguise supplies from the Russian Federation. But the materials of hacking of electronic correspondence of several Ukrainian officers of quite serious ranks have already been published. It is clear from them: the entire maintainable part of the database contents was taken out long before the assault - it was needed just to conceal the results of a successful commercial operation.

Calculations of many such combat and financial operations showed that all military equipment and artillery, already used by the militia, could be obtained from local resources. Just as all the ammunition consumed by the militia could have been produced on site or mined as trophies. For such mining need only skilled hands and a lot of money. But both in the Donbas have always been in more than enough. You can not even count on raising money in the Russian Federation (it is undoubtedly necessary for many organizational and political reasons, but can only cover the cost of clothing, food and medical support for the troops of Novorossia): local oligarchs - first of all Rinat Akhmetov - initially organized a massive public protest, just to remind the winning Dnepropetrovsk clan of the need to take into account the interests of the Donetsk clan (these two groups competed in Soviet times). I suppose, starting this protest, the Donetsk clan hardly strove for its transition into a direct military confrontation, but Donbass businessmen are well enough familiar with the resources of their region in order to assess its chances of fighting. In my opinion, these resources are sufficient, if not for the march on Kiev, then at least to create Novorossia from Kharkov to Tiraspol (taking into account the transfer of resources from the liberated regions to the liberators and the inclusion of new volunteers in their ranks).

Kiev punitive already realized that they could not subdue the Donbass. Now they are not conducting military operations, but a terrorist operation aimed at destroying the life-supporting and production infrastructure of the region. But the experience of the Great Patriotic War showed: Donbass can heal even incomparably worse wounds in years. Then the whole country helped him - but now there will be those who want to revive one of the best industrial regions of the world in order to use the fruits of his works in the future. But Kiev will either become an industrial and cultural center again, or it will rot and disappear along with provincials who have flooded it with okraintsy.

All this does not mean in any way that the Russian Federation does not at all help Novorossia with weapons, ammunition, military specialists. This only indicates: all the current and future successes of New Russia can be explained without the assumption of such assistance.
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  1. +12
    2 December 2014 05: 28
    Anatoly went on to interesting things ... describes the composition of explosives ... with such things you need to be careful on the Internet smile ... there is a young man who, for the sake of curiosity at home, will buy a number of ingredients in a pharmacy and hardware store and mix it all with nitrate, coal dust and hell knows what fireworks can be set up in a residential building.
    1. +13
      2 December 2014 06: 30
      Well, actually finding such a composition on the Internet is now not a problem. But another thing is interesting. Everything is written very carefully, but for what? In order to conclude that the militias are self-sufficient? This is already understandable. Weapons and ammunition on Urin another couple of such wars.
      Another thing is that now they began to fight just for the sake of fighting .. Nobody goes anywhere, nobody attacks, nobody attacks.
      I watched a story about Motorola’s life. Today’s classic war in HP. In the morning I went to work. In the evening I returned ... Work is dangerous, but this work. And at night my pregnant wife is at hand.
    2. 225chay
      +1
      2 December 2014 07: 04
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      ... describes the composition of the explosives ... with such things, you need to be careful on the Internet ... there is a young man who, for the sake of curiosity, at home will buy a number of ingredients in a pharmacy and hardware store and mix it all with nitrate, coal dust and hell with what can arrange a firework in a residential building.



      Late ... All of this is full on the Internet since the time of the Chechen wars)
    3. +3
      2 December 2014 07: 23
      the maintainable part of the contents of the base was removed long before the assault


      Bezler also spoke about the sale to the militia of ammunition and weapons. That Parasha himself has a direct relation to this. But then it turns out that many things go according to US plans. Indeed, if the militia hadn’t been so powerful, then it would have been possible to work the ukra more efficiently, because on the verge of a large hedgehog (despite the fact that the United States has already launched its furry snout to Ukraine) it’s silly to sell heavy weapons to potential opponents. Having broken off with Crimea (and perhaps the Yankees assumed this), the United States decided to create such a smoldering conflict, impose sanctions on Russia, and take over the energy market of Europe.
    4. +1
      2 December 2014 10: 40
      Quote: The same Lech
      Anatoly went on to interesting things ... describes the composition of explosives ... with such things you need to be careful on the Internet smile ... there is a young man who, for the sake of curiosity at home, will buy a number of ingredients in a pharmacy and hardware store and mix it all with nitrate, coal dust and hell knows what fireworks can be set up in a residential building.


      Wikipedia just take a look. There is the composition and production technology of all the chemical that is used in everyday life. Ontole only pulled God's light into the light.
    5. 0
      2 December 2014 10: 47
      Further life of New Russia will be inextricably linked with cooperation with Russia.
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  2. +2
    2 December 2014 05: 29
    All this can be adjusted, with good organization, with which I think there are problems, each field commander is "his own director" and they think primarily about their own power, they hope more for help from the Russian Federation
    1. +2
      2 December 2014 06: 32
      But why is this production necessary now? The front line is at such a distance that one blow is enough and the production has gone to the enemy.
  3. +1
    2 December 2014 05: 38
    Now they are not conducting military operations, but a terrorist operation aimed at destroying the region’s life-supporting and production infrastructure.


    That's right ... too many civilians are dying.
  4. +1
    2 December 2014 05: 41
    No wonder they say-
    When a crest was born, a Jew cried (c)

    By the way, what about the arms trade through the Parashenko-Separatists channel?
  5. +1
    2 December 2014 05: 50
    The Russian people, the descendants of the Great Lomonosov, it was not for nothing that he then said: After all, the Russian land can give birth to its own Platons and quick Newton’s mind ... Russia will never disappear and will find the right way out of any situation.
  6. +2
    2 December 2014 06: 10
    Guys, the fact that the Militia most likely produces ammunition itself, many have guessed before. But I think Wasserman shouldn't shine it. Russia will be accused this way and that. The bottom line is that the winners are not judged, and when the dill is bent, the "world community" will have as much to do with them as with the present Georgia.
    It is necessary to win, and not to look for excuses for Russia, that it "does not interfere".
    I also know a lot of encouraging news from people who are currently working (and even getting a good salary) in production and production in the Donbass. But well, it’s shining in FIG.
    1. 0
      2 December 2014 12: 27
      I don’t think that all the ammunition is local. There are enough cartridges there, plus the LPS probably produces. It is unrealistic to make shells and charges to hailstones in such numbers, especially in spring and summer. The only option is if the finished lines were transported there from the Russian Federation, plus they trained specialists and deployed several workshops with our help. Again, the ammunition catalog is decent there and each type requires its own production. Well, suppose the ammunition 5,45, 7,62, 12,7, 14,5 in Lugansk rivets, specialists and equipment are there. But besides this, mines of 82 and 120 mm, shells of 122 and 152 mm for howitzers, even if only of, shells for tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and rapiers, ammunition for hailstones, etc. are needed. This is how much production should be organized in order to produce all this nomenclature? And they beat dill every day, as the reports show. It is clear that endless ammunition is only for those who correctly understand the party’s policies and dad obeys, but this is also very sickly volume. In general, it is doubtful that all ammunition is produced locally.
      1. +1
        2 December 2014 15: 24
        It is unrealistic to make shells and charges to hailstones in such numbers, especially in spring and summer.


        Yeah, and especially missiles and launchers for MANPADS can be assembled in any garage with a car tool. I would agree about the borders and ATGMs, especially since they did not fire every other time. But here's something more complicated and in marketable quantities. How long did it take for the Palestinians to start producing Qasams and even simple "eres"? I don’t understand why Wasserman should cast a shadow on a clear day. It is stupid to deny the fact of Russia's assistance to Novorossiya, because all this is known to the same Americans. But ... here is not caught, not a thief. They have a lot of evidence. And ... that means they are walking in the forest. Although even if evidence is presented, what prevents Lavrov from turning on the fool, having trained at Psaki.
  7. +2
    2 December 2014 06: 32
    Explosive is such a thing that you can knock it on your knee. But with regards to complex equipment ..... In Novorossia, there are many industries that you can use, again trophy equipment. And I hope that our country will throw a specific one. But this is part of the fighting force ..... The main thing RUSSIAN PEOPLE AND BATTLE SPIRIT.
  8. -9
    2 December 2014 06: 38
    I don’t agree with my ex-fellow townsman; he deftly sent an alibi to the Russian Federation as much as writing something in the service as a report for his salary
    In general, Kiev first started, the Donbass-all weapons and equipment myself, Kevlar himself also punished
    Gradov himself dug up the column and much himself ... only why the leaders from Moscow will not come out if all by himself?
    Wasserman still thinks that Odessa shares the Kremlin's policy after Crimea? I assure you that no, until what Tiraspol, Russia does not shine after the Crimea and Donbass. And the absence of new articles about the PMR says that there are no important matters and the blockade is slowly but surely suffocating. And the Russian Federation can not do anything and therefore the topic does not rise, the Russian Federation would ensure the absence of such a blockade is not a joke in winter, and it is likely that concessions to Ukraine are made precisely because of this
    I agree that everything ended in Kiev, but since he whitewashes the Russian Federation, I won’t, because only the Kremlin could extend the fire and substitute anti-Maidans
    1. raf
      +4
      2 December 2014 07: 17
      - cleverly he sent an alibi of the Russian Federation
      Russia doesn’t need an alibi!
      because only the Kremlin could extend the fire and substitute anti-Maidan
      It is interesting that the "Maidans" that the "anti-Maidans" have Russia to blame for everything, for everything and always! As there Krylov: "It is not better for yourself, godfather, turn around!"
    2. +2
      2 December 2014 08: 52
      Krystal, answer directly, are you for neo-Nazism?
      1. 0
        2 December 2014 09: 27
        Quote: Balu
        Krystal, answer directly, are you for neo-Nazism?
        Yes, you are Crystal "against the party line" ?! am
        Kindly party card on the table ..
        P.S. I remembered from the recent past .. wink
    3. 0
      2 December 2014 12: 03
      Quote: Cristall
      In general, Kiev first started, the Donbass-all weapons and equipment myself, Kevlar himself also punished
      Gradov himself dug up the column and much himself ... only why the leaders from Moscow will not come out if all by himself?

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      Uniforms and kevlar helmets are freely sold on the Internet - ANY one, you can equip yourself more abruptly than any special forces ... This is included in the equipment of a large army of strike and paintball players and laser taggers ... As for weapons, nobody canceled the "black diggers", but they have The arsenals are impressive too, and up to the weapons of the 1970s, exported from forgotten parts and landfills ... Hunting arsenals also have Vyatskopolyan carbines of the Vepr type based on the PKK (they can make an almost combat barrel to order) with an appropriate set of barrels, magazines and cartridges that are in no way inferior to military weapons at a price of $ 500 to $ 1000 ...
      1. 0
        2 December 2014 16: 34
        There is a fair amount of truth in this, Colonel Strelkov complained all the time that he could not arm more than 1500-1700 people. Even 60-year-old weapons from museums were used. The low consumption of cartridges is peculiar to the partisan style of war; here, even an ammunition tank is not needed. The limited scope of the database allows you to limit the use of heavy equipment to a minimum.
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    4. 0
      2 December 2014 15: 26
      Wasserman still thinks that Odessa shares the Kremlin’s policies after the Crimea?


      After Crimea, I don’t know, but if after Odessa’s Khatyn’s it doesn’t divide, then Odessa residents have deteriorated very much during the times of “independence”.
  9. 0
    2 December 2014 06: 41
    And Kiev will either again become an industrial and cultural center, or it will decay and perish along with the provincials who have flooded it - the borderlands.

    Under the current policy of the junta, Kiev (Ukraine) will decay and perish. Neither American help with Geyropov’s mongrels will help, nor ukronationalism, implicated in hatred of everything Russian.
  10. 0
    2 December 2014 06: 48
    While the weather helps, the militias need to use this, it is time to go on the offensive and drive the banderlog to Poland.
  11. 0
    2 December 2014 06: 58
    Same LEKHA (2) SU Today, 05: 28 New
    Anatoly turned to interesting things ... describes the composition of explosives ... with such things you need to be careful on the Internet smile ... there is a young man who, for the sake of curiosity at home, will buy a number of ingredients in a pharmacy and hardware store and mix it all with nitrate, coal with dust and hell knows what fireworks in a residential building can do.


    Where the detonator will take? And to do it yourself, there will not be enough brains.
  12. +1
    2 December 2014 09: 12
    All the good days!
    As a chemist by education, life safety instructor and organizer of survival classes, and not so long ago, and organizer of the basics of military training, I was extremely interested in the information from the article "after all, saltpeter with diesel fuel is the most massive industrial explosive used in mining millions of times in A mixture of ammonium nitrate with diesel fuel is igdanite, since the optimal composition (7% diesel fuel) ... stratifies quite quickly, but almost any competent miner can make a high-explosive backfill from it within the time the enemy approaches the place of this filling from the horizon. Mixtures with aluminum powder - ammonals - are also short-lived: without a protective oil film on the surface, the powder quickly oxidizes. "
    I think that it is undesirable to post such information in the public domain. Of course, there are technological nuances of making the mixture (which component is behind which and how to mix, etc.), but this is a technical issue. But the ratio and composition of the components could not be specified.
    By detonators. Lapis pencil or any silver jewelry + acid available + familiar gas welder = detonator. A description of silver acetylenide manufacturing technology is available. The detonator is not so dangerous. The possibility of manufacturing explosives in the required quantity is dangerous.
  13. 0
    2 December 2014 09: 45
    Quote: The same Lech
    ... there is a young man who, for the sake of curiosity at home, will buy a number of ingredients in a pharmacy and hardware store and mix it all with nitrate, coal dust and hell knows what fireworks can be set up in a residential building.

    Well, nobody canceled the corresponding article in the Criminal Code ...
  14. +1
    2 December 2014 10: 15
    In fact, this article is about the problems that trail behind the civil war in Ukraine. Thousands of free-walking trunks, hundreds of people who already know how to shoot at live targets in the form of running, standing, crawling, etc. little men, about explosives manufactured here at home they told.
    I am glad that the Novorossiya militia, fighting, showed remarkable ingenuity. But now I am still more interested in the post-war life of Novorossiya. They won the war and Putin publicly said that he would not allow the destruction of these republics that had been left behind by Ukraine. I am not even interested in "finishing off" the Kiev junta: she herself copes with this and is very successful.
    The peaceful life of New Russia is the main issue on today's agenda, in my opinion.
    1. 0
      2 December 2014 18: 33
      Quote: Vasily Ivashov
      Peaceful life of New Russia

      Peaceful life in the presence of a border with the Russian Federation and humanitarian aid, with working enterprises is possible. But it will still require subsidies from the Russian Federation. But to start a peaceful life, you need to again give pendell dill and move the blockade at least to the borders of the regions
  15. Yandi
    -4
    2 December 2014 14: 15
    there was no need to put your snout in a foreign country and the Ukazin army would have sorted out these divisions in 2 weeks, but here the good neighbors of the Russians slipped in and began as in Transnistria, Abkhazia. The answer is Russian, get out of your Russia and take the corpses of your soldiers, whom you bury like dogs anywhere
    1. 0
      2 December 2014 15: 28
      There was no need to stick your snout into Russia, then there would be no Ukrainian army and no Ukraine. And there would be no "separatists".
    2. 0
      2 December 2014 22: 25
      Whose cow mumbled, didn’t they snatch their nose in Ireland? And to Scotland? But in India, Africa, China, and other countries did not stick their nose? I am glad that you already have the most popular name in Britain - Muhammad, you are doing everything right. Soon a crescent moon will hang over Westminster Abbey. So you would be an unreasonable naglosax, you'd better take care of the problems of your own country, including demographic ones, and not go to foreign sites.
  16. +1
    2 December 2014 16: 39
    Quote: yandi
    there was no need to put your snout in a foreign country and the Ukazin army would have sorted out these divisions in 2 weeks, but here the good neighbors of the Russians slipped in and began as in Transnistria, Abkhazia. The answer is Russian, get out of your Russia and take the corpses of your soldiers, whom you bury like dogs anywhere

    It looks like a google translation or an illiterate gopnik from a censor with brains gone limp from cartoons for 20 years.
  17. -1
    2 December 2014 22: 15
    Well, how much can one endure, why our troops will not hit Kiev with missiles and aircraft, including the Ukrovsk cluster? Why do we need all the power of our army if it is not used to protect national interests? Will it continue like this until the lunar landscape? Vova promised back in May that he would protect the Russians of New Russia. And where are these promises? But the DNI and LC alone can not do anything, plus continue to adhere to the treacherous truce.