"Forge" engineering aviation personnel is no longer

In the buildings of the former Air Force Engineering Academy named after Professor N. Ye. Zhukovsky (Moscow), located in the Petrovsky Park area, the dismantling of stands and equipment began to be sent to Voronezh, where a single military training scientific center of the Air Force is being created.

Disassembled including full-size layouts aviation engines, on-board instruments and weapons. From September 1, the educational process on the territory of the former academy is terminated. Since 2007, the educational institution has not recruited cadets for training.

In 2008, the Zhukovsky Academy was merged with the Y.A. Gagarin Air Force Academy (Monino). At their base, the Air Force Military Training Center "Air Force Academy named after Professor N. Ye. Zhukovsky and Yu. A. Gagarin" (Moscow, pgt. Monino) was created.

In recent years, students-listeners from the military were trained on the educational territory of the former Zhukovka, as well as senior students completed their education. The maximum number of military and civilian personnel of the joint university was determined in 4614 people. Then, as part of the formation of the new look of the Armed Forces, a decision was made to create in Voronezh a single military training scientific center of the Air Force with two branches to train core specialists. In this regard, the existing aviation universities, including the Air Force Academy named after Professor N. Ye. Zhukovsky and Yu. A. Gagarin, are being eliminated.

History The Zhukovsky VVIA dates back to 1919, when, on the initiative of Professor Nikolai Yegorovich Zhukovsky, the first aviation technical school was established in Russia, the purpose of which was comprehensive theoretical and practical training for specialists in aircraft building, engine building and operation of aircraft and engine-aviation plants. Already in 1920, the Moscow Aviation Technical School was reorganized into the Institute of Red Air Engineers fleet named after N.E. Zhukovsky. In 1922, the university was given the name "Academy of the Air Fleet named after N. E. Zhukovsky." In 1923, it was decided to transfer it to the building of the former Petrovsky Palace, which was renamed the Red Aviation Palace. The Academy was assigned a large piece of land around the Peter Palace, where they built several educational buildings and dormitories for students and teachers.

Among the graduates of Zhukovka are well-known general designers Sergey Ilyushin, Artem Mikoyan, Alexander Yakovlev, Nikolai Kuznetsov, chief aviation marshals Konstantin Vershinin and Pavel Zhigarev, eight aviation marshals, 30 cosmonaut pilots, including the first cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin, the first woman cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova and the first man in history, who went out into space, Alexey Leonov.

109 graduates of the Academy were awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union and Hero of Socialist Labor (of which 17 people twice), 200 won the Lenin and State Prizes. Just a few years ago, more than 100 doctors and 400 candidates of science, more than 80 professors, 130 assistant professors and senior researchers, six State Prize winners, 18 Honored Scientists of the Russian Federation worked in the staff of Zhukovka.

Comments

[Col.]

No words !!! This - removed - stool with "the highest consent" will finally destroy the Armed Forces, and then - the end of the history of the once great Russia ... When will the people wake up ?!

[vlbelugin]

Although a major, but let me disagree. Serdyukov clerk. Executor. It would not be so sad if it was only him.
Guess whose commands he is executing.

[Col.]

So I wrote: "with the highest permission" ...

[Varnaga]

"the dismantling of stands and equipment has begun to be sent to Voronezh, where a single military training scientific center of the air force is being created"
for psychics

[zczczc]

Yeah, and in Moscow there will be international sawing financial center, as travel far from Geneva to competently divide.

I believe that in Moscow or near what is being built is what the state really needs, what it especially values. There are huge masses of intelligentsia, all kinds of infrastructure, scientists are all nearby, etc. I'm not saying that there is generally a desert, but given our centricity, it is strange to detach from the center exactly what makes us strong. Those. not strange, but natural - throw to the periphery and forget.

[Varnaga]

"As it is already known, in Voronezh, on the basis of the Military Aviation Engineering University (Voronezh), it is planned to create a single military scientific research center for the Air Force. The branches will include the training of spokesmen for anti-aircraft missile forces and flight personnel. All existing schools will be concentrated In one place. This will give a unified form of training, a unified understanding and vision of tasks. After all the reorganization measures in the Voronezh land, up to 10000 cadets will be trained on a powerful educational and material base, in various specialties. Training of highly qualified specialists in WAIU (Voronezh), is already the norm. So, from year to year, his graduates show high results in combat, commander, and physical training.
Also, within the walls of this university, training and retraining of flight personnel will begin. New training buildings will be built, with the installation of the latest flight simulators for them. Since the base of the first category has already been formed in Voronezh, and the Lipetsk training center for combat use and retraining of flight personnel and military tests, cadets should not have problems with internships and flights.
Based on all this, the Minister of Defense decided to build a flight medicine center in the city of Voronezh, in which the flight crew can undergo treatment, honey. commissions before flights, and when testing new types of aircraft "

zczczc, I have great doubts about your adequacy, especially it gave me "what's the desert there"

[stas]

It is stupid and dangerous to create all the personnel training for the Air Force in one place, since all this can be destroyed with a single nuclear strike. Forgot 41 year. The army is needed not only for parades.

[Varnaga]

Well, theorists pulled themselves in, knowing the principles of goal selection in the Pentagon. It remains only to tie this to the characteristics of dilution of the BB and re-targeting, and the diagnosis can be made with a 100% probability.

[LESHA pancake]

PERDYUKOV ONE CENTER TO BUILD - ALL-RUSSIAN CEMETERY.

[hellbringer]

As already known, in Voronezh, on the basis of the Military Aviation Engineering University (Voronezh), it is planned to create a single military scientific research center for the Air Force.

Keyword PLANNED. And at what stage is planning ??? Are the project requirements and parameters approved at least? Or, as usual, follow the hands, now there will be a focus. Country idiots-sawing what they are sitting on.

[Varnaga]

Read my comment above and don't ask stupid questions anymore.

[Old Cat Basilio]

B .. uncle, if this is true, then it remains to slam the TsAGI and the job is done!

[figwam]

The stool indicated the place to all the military. There is no place for you in the capital.
A good goal is looming in Voronezh, one hit and we will have no personnel, no academies, no planes.
In my head, yes, yes, yes ......

[kazanskii]

First you need to build a training center, and then dismantle everything. In general, creating a single training center in one place is a crime, let alone shout it all over the world! Stas writes correctly.

[LESHA pancake]

AND WHEN WILL THIS CHAIN ​​END?

[Varnaga]

Let us, in order not to be unfounded, give at least some evidence of your statement. And that "crow" sounded too loudly.

[stas]

Varnaga, where you recruit in Voronezh alone so many sensible and competent teachers in all specialties for the needs of the Air Force. After all, not everyone will go to Voronezh from Moscow. Earlier, the Voronezh School trained weather forecasters and motorists to service flights, and that’s all. A competent teaching staff is formed over the years 20-30, then it is worth something.

[Varnaga]

I am touched by the conceit of Internet experts who consider themselves smarter than people working in the Moscow Region.
Offhand, http://vaiu.ru/structura The profile of "weather forecasters" is immediately striking.
http://vaiu.ru/news/126--28 А на этом, видимо автомобилисты будут сдавать на права.
http://vaiu.ru/news/83-n-- Вдогонку, прошу обратить внимание на даты.

[Varnaga]

http://www.rg.ru/2010/08/11/centr-anons.html
We read a quote from Zelenin.

[Sorry]

I would like to hear science from the abolished academies and the newly created center in Voronezh. Traditions, history are of course important, but there is no limit to perfection. And it’s obvious that no one wants to bomb us, we will soon exhaust ourselves.

[mitrich]

They lifted their ass and went to teach in Voronezh, and then as soon as it comes to Moscow and Moscow region registration, so immediately cries about the "collapse of the oldest and wisest" VA. Or are you not aware, STAS, that in the army, the place of service is sometimes changed. We decided to bring everyone together - what is abnormal here?

[stas]

Before 1941, something similar has already been done. All border aviation remained at the airfields, unable to even take off. In general, he served 26 years, 7 travels, s / c. Now no one can guarantee that the 21 century will pass without a big war.

[vlbelugin]

They put up tents, made campfires. Romance.
All professors, people are not young. It’s very difficult to change the place, especially to where you are not expected. Many of them are civil by the way.
So Mitrich is rude and evil.

[Max79]

I myself am from Voronezh. And most importantly, we live in the city. It is very close to the Baltimore airfield. This airfield was created during the union. But who thought that now everyone and everything would be dragged here. We are just deaf from their roar of what will happen next, x ... knows her ????

[esaul]

Fir-trees! Thank God, at least two sober and thinking heads were found - Mitrich and Varnaga! Read the rest - at least hang yourself. I remember a business trip 20 years ago. One of the fellow travelers got drunk on the vodary, stood in the aisle of the carriage, his hands in his pockets, stares blankly in front of him and mutters: "Everything is a failure! Everything is lost ...!" When I see the comments of Lyokha and the colonel, etc., I remember that dude.

[Col.]

To know a lot, you have to live a long time. I have been doing analytical work in intelligence for over 20 years, including analysis of the military-political situation. So I will not "mumble" in vain.

[Varnaga]

"As Kozma Prutkov said," Behold the root! "And the" root "is that the world is ruled by money. Now Russia is ruled by the world financial and industrial oligarchy. Our power is just a puppet in the hands of the West. As long as the current" elite is in power. ", the systematic plunder of the country will continue, the curtailment of scientific programs, the decline in the level and quality of education, health care (especially for the poor), the fooling and soldering of the population, the collapse of the Armed Forces, etc. The world does not need a strong Russia, it needs our resources, a sales market artificial food and cheap liquor, places for burying their waste. Even Nicholas II said: “Russia has only two allies: the army and the navy.” Our power destroys these allies with our own hands. For whom does it work? The answer is clear even to a schoolboy. "

The depth of analysis "analytics" is visible. Every word is a standard

[Varnaga]

The "analyst" does not even know who he is citing, a continuous facepalm.

[mitrich]

This article is about the transfer of the place of deployment of a particular VA from Moscow to Voronezh, not about disbandment, I emphasize, but about the transfer. I read the pros, the cons again boil down to "these stools" and "everything is gone."
What kind of analysis is this? The detractor saw, there is no analyst ...

[Varnaga]

It seems that poztreoty uselessly use this program here))
http://www.yaplakal.com/uploads/post-3-12867844208358.jpg

[NordUral]

In 91, so the Union was reformed. And as for the analysis, the teaching staff will not go there, that’s disbandment, and not just a transfer. Yes, and at one point all, this is an illiterate position.

[svvaulsh]

Let us recall the comrades who graduated from universities, who prepared unique cadres. Kacha - the oldest flying school, Armavir, Stavropol, Yeysk - trained personnel for air defense, Krasnodar - turned into a branch of something and many other personnel forges for the aircraft. The third toast - without clinking glasses!

[stas]

10000 cadets, this is approximately 50 military schools, and it will be collected in one place, and with all the educational institutions of the Air Force. Illiterate deployment of troops in peacetime can lead to disaster in the war period. The first months of World War II are convincing evidence of this. Also, the events in Yugoslavia show that the use of point weapons with nuclear filling, all these Russian Air Force schools with one launch of missiles in one area within a day will turn into dust. God grant that I would be wrong.

[916-th]

I join swaulsh.

[916-th]

Let's do arithmetic. On the example of Kachi. In the early 70s, enrollment for 1 course was about 120 cadets. About 80 people reached the end. On average, 2 cadets studied at three flight courses (4-300). At their disposal were 3 training regiments with four lanes. That is, approximately 75 cadets + instructors were in each lane. Flights were made in 2 shifts + night flights.

Here we are told about 10000 cadets in the Voronezh Center. Let the flyers of them - 1/4 (2500). The problem asks how much runway you need to have in order to provide flight training at the same level as in Kache of the 70s? Answer: 33 stripes.

Or is it supposed to have a qualitatively different training - simulators instead of airplanes? Virtual pilots with several hours of real flight time? Or do I not understand the "brilliant" plan of the MO?

[mitrich]

Mostly on simulators, everything is true, but not only that. And why a few hours? Explain the meaning of the claims.

[916-th]

Because this is not a plan to create a unified Voronezh flight center, but a New-Vasyuki project in the spirit of Ostap Bender (or Serdyukov?). My imagination refuses to imagine a 33-lane knot. The maximum is half a dozen. Cadets are queued for freight flights a year or two in advance, something like this.

[Varnaga]

As evidence, your imagination does not pull much.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Here I read everything here given ...
Some time ago I graduated from VVVIURE, an engineering school of radio electronics. Which is located at the same address as VVIU now. That is, some time ago, two schools were somewhat undercut and merged. On one base. Which, let me say, was small.
Further. Now we have a plan to create a trawl mega-center there and all that. I have a question, as a layman: Where will it be created? in the same place, on the basis of VVAIU? Very funny, my gentlemen. When I was a cadet of VVVIURE, there were about 1100 cadets in both faculties. There was no own stadium, they used the nearby Chaika stadium for all sorts of events, it was good that it was nearby.
The hostel for senior courses was already on 200 people. Okay, and not so worried.
Completed educational building. Good. Be sure to look in the near future and see what has changed over the past 5 years. Be sure to accomplish your goal.
I can only say one thing: a person can consider 10 000 to be thrown there in order to be completely normal only completely complete oligophrenic. There is simply no land as much. And it is unlikely to turn out to kill: the private sector. Something like that...
I am not against creating this center. The place is not bad, the airfield is two kilometers away. It is necessary, as they say, it means it is necessary.
But such an expansion will entail a bunch of "tails" such as the arrangement of everyday life and everything else.
It seems to me that they first signed the decree, took away the buildings, and then began to think about where to figure it all out ... They invented it. And then dodela begin, the elimination of deficiencies and so on. And who will suffer only? That's right, Air Force.
Varnaga, are you not one of those "mega-planners"? Your dedication to resettlement is surprising ... as are the words about who is ruling / guiding Russia. I just want to ask, "Givi, whose friend are you, me or that bear?"

[Varnaga]

No, dear, not one of those. But I like that you are trying to use my belonging to one or another force as a logical base.
Second, if you are unfamiliar with the project (you probably didn’t even bother to follow the link and read Zelenin’s quote), then all your assumptions refer to the "grandmother said in two" area. Trying to analyze something here without having practically any data is the same as guessing at the coffee grounds.

[mitrich]

By the way, the figure "10" was announced by our colleague, not the MO. Maybe your mathematical calculations are too early?

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Anything can be ... I didn’t expect anything, I just expressed my opinion that with such a base in terms of areas and such a "huge" airfield, the creation of such a center is. why, in fact, be surprised?
Yes, all the planes taking off above my house are flying, uncomfortable, but they are used to it. It will be more ... well, well ... it happens.
Before me, one of the interlocutors said that the airfield was within the city limits ... This is so. In general, it’s magical to have the prospect of engine failure on take-off or the error of an inexperienced student ...

[PSih2097]

There are 24 air force bases in the states that train pilots and technicians.
We will have one with the branches in Yeysk and Lipetsk, probably in Voronezh they will give theory and flight simulators, and flight training will take place in the branches.

[Col.]

I believe that any business should be entrusted to professionals. It would never occur to anyone to entrust the repair of an apartment to a team of doctors, teachers or lawyers. So why amateurs reform the army? In this case, they have one argument: saving money (there is not enough money for villas and yachts). And no one thinks about BUSINESS. Any person with or related to aviation knows that it is impossible to establish a full-fledged training process for ALL flight, navigational, engineering and other aviation specialties in one place! Too different training programs, even for pilots of different kinds, not to mention others. Take at least polygons. Only our VVVAUSH, where I studied, had several branches and training grounds. MRAshniki fulfilled their tasks in Mirgorod, VTAshniki in Zhdanov, it seems (Mariupol), OBU - in Bagerovo. In the opinion of civilians from the Moscow Region, it is enough to teach pilots to pilot, and what combat use is, they will be told in parts. But this is not DOSAAF guys! And where in the Voronezh region to get so many training grounds for practicing missile launch, bombing, mines, landing, etc.? And in general, to concentrate the entire training base of the Air Force in one place is at least stupid, but by and large, a crime.

[AleksUkr]

History repeats itself. Recall what the General Staff did on 08.08.2008? What it led to and how it all ended. Field-maker Taburetkin until he destroys the army, with the tacit consent of our tandem, he will not calm down and will not leave.
Rumors are circulating that Matvienko would seem to be represented at the presidential election? Maybe a female look will help get rid of all sorts of grief reformers.

[Konstantm]

Quote: AleksUkr

Rumors are circulating that Matvienko would seem to be represented at the presidential election? Maybe a female look will help get rid of all sorts of grief reformers.

Then her son will be instead of a stool.

[slaughter]

I live in Monino, while there was an academy, I will not say that the town prospered, but .., with the departure, it was full.
The teaching staff did not go to Voronezh, many have age, and they have grown up, a summer house, a garage, an apartment.
And the territory, moreover, not a small one, is slowly beginning to be cut.
Just a pity and a shame.

[NordUral]

It is not necessary to pour tears, but to declare loudly - this is a state crime.

[Pit Bull59]

It's just that our bureaucrats cannot get enough of free money ... How much will they put in their pockets when moving, restructuring, etc.? I have a firm opinion about "our" MO - THE COSSACK SENT! He's dancing to someone's tune!

[NordUral]

They are all there, upstairs, a dance song ensemble with an overseas conductor. And for us - a patriotic repertoire for cover.

[NordUral]

Still finish off, earcaps. And the military tolerate it?