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A. Shary: A war that ends in a compromise?

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A. Shary: A war that ends in a compromise?


The conflict in the east of Ukraine is entering its completion stage. At least, the format of the war as a way to resolve the issue is being seriously considered now, probably only on domestic talk shows.

Tanks-guns-planes did not give Kiev any result, except for even greater hatred from civilians, who suffer most from the fighting.

The economy has long been laid down, absolutely illogical triumphant reports in the Ukrainian press are meant for people with two meanders and do not impress the West. The image of a poor country, a state in which weapons and those who are ready to shoot weapons, more than rats in the Paris subway.


Before the APEC summit in Beijing and the Canberra G-20, US President Obama, or rather his advisers, undertook everything to return the States to the negotiation process.

This message was picked up by the Ukrainian “experts”, who explained this need with everything, except for the obvious - the head of the White House urgently needed a “short victorious war”, or at least an active participation in it. By “war” in this case, I mean negotiations. Peaceful.

Democrats have failed both in the elections to the Congress and in the elections to the Senate. Obama, having clenched his teeth and the remnants of the former rating, simply had to demonstrate his capacity at least in the foreign policy arena.

Putin does not object, he has his own game - to demonstrate the EU’s inability to solve the Ukrainian problem.

It was on the orders of Washington and Moscow that the Ukrainian President (no matter how painful it was to realize) put forward the idea of ​​the “Geneva format” allegedly from himself. Washington and Moscow nodded approvingly.

November 5 Poroshenko talks about this format to John Kerry in a telephone conversation.

Yatsenyuk, offering the “Geneva format”, also appears immediately. In principle, the opinion of Arseny Petrovich, with whom hardly anyone will sit down at the negotiating table now (too much was said), was not particularly interested in anyone, but he expressed it. And he is pleased, and for the general background is good:

“One of the most effective and realistic formats is the Geneva format, which provided for the participation of the United States, the European Union, Ukraine and our northern geographic neighbor. It is not advisable to again call on Russia to do what it agreed to. But to recall the need to fulfill each of the 12 points of the Minsk agreements, I consider it necessary to raise this issue once again. ”

The next day, the Russian Foreign Ministry picks up the topic. Please note - everyone who talks about the “Geneva format” supplies this idea with his own message.

Yatsenyuk blames Russia, Russia blames Ukraine. But in the end, everyone calls for the same thing, for the form “broken”:

“... Now it is obvious that all these agreements (from 17 of April) were grossly violated by the Ukrainian side. Looking at the current situation, the question arises whether it is advisable to return to a format that did not bring the expected result. Isn't it better for the Ukrainian side to first try to accomplish what has already been agreed upon and what was promised to be done? ”

Broke "two days, after which Lavrov quite unequivocally supported the format:

“They recalled that in the Geneva statement of 17 on April of this year. The Ukrainian leadership, through its minister, has pledged to immediately begin a political process, a constitutional reform involving all regions and political forces. J. Kerry and I agreed that today this task may be even more relevant than in April, when we agreed on the immediate start of such a process. We will still try to convince the Ukrainian leadership to begin to fulfill this obligation. ”

"Al Jazeera" immediately reports:

"The United States and Russia find points of rapprochement for Ukraine"
“Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov supported the US participation in resolving the Ukrainian crisis, noting that this would be“ a step in the right direction. ” His comments obviously reflected the reduction of tension in bilateral relations, which recently reached its highest point since the end of the cold war. ”

In order for the negotiations to see the world from the correct angle, the term “cold war” must firmly take root in the heads of the inhabitants.

This is not a concession by the States, it is a kind of “peacekeeping mission” with the aim of preventing the world from slipping into the era of a new cold war. And she is close, close as ever!


On November 9, the US Secretary of State publishes in the "Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung" the article "New Cold War?":


“... unfortunately, the sad truth is that the freedom that Americans and Germans today enjoy, who freely elect political leaders, express their opinions and can be blacksmiths of their own happiness, is still under threat in too many parts of the world. Even in Europe. ”


Everything is very bad. Europe is under threat. No one feels protected. The world is heading for the abyss.


“The aggressive behavior of Russia in Ukraine is unacceptable. Crucial is that Germany and the United States stand on the side of our partner and stand up for the sovereignty and independence of Ukraine. ”

We want to protect Ukraine from the aggressor. Protect with all your might. We condemn Russia.

"The post-war world order and order after the fall of the Berlin Wall, from which millions of people around the world have won, are at stake."


The point, as you see, is not only in Ukraine. And this is understandable. The problems of Ukraine for Europe are already a few ... boring. The romantic aura in the smoke of burning tires gave way to disappointment in the current government, which is not capable not only of reforms, but of any intelligible plans for the development of the country.

Added tar in a half-empty barrel of honey and the hypocrisy of Ukraine about the sanctions against its own aggressor. "You, Europeans, impose sanctions, put your own business, and we wait with it for now."

Therefore, the problem of Ukraine is not so hooked on a European or American as its own problem. And she, Kerry claims, is colossal. The whole world is at stake. No joke.

“Also of crucial importance is the resumption of constructive relations with Russia if Moscow is ready to take the necessary steps. It is in the interests of all of us that Russia, Europe, the United States and Canada can unite to fight global problems, such as extremism, the proliferation of nuclear weapons and infectious diseases, and benefit from peace, stability and economic cooperation. ”

Having heated the public, we turn to negotiations that are able to prevent the impending catastrophe. And we end up with absolutely peace-loving theses crossing out both the threat and the collapse of the world system:

“Can the cold war start again today?” The answer is no, if we recall that 25 years ago sought unity, freedom and peace, both for Germany and for Europe. The answer is no if we convince other states that the old dividing lines between the East and the West must be left behind. The answer is no, if we continue to concentrate on these goals today, tomorrow and in the coming decades. ”

The cold war will not start. The United States will not allow this to happen and will start looking for a compromise solution with Russia. Moreover, they will make the Russian Federation ... an ally on many strategic issues.

On the same day, former US Secretary of State Kissinger gives an interview to Der Spiegel. He also speaks of the dangers of the Cold War, and also brings everything to a peaceful solution, to a compromise.

Moreover, Kissinger speaks of a certain “mistake of the West”, which did not understand the situation in Ukraine:

“If the West wants to be honest, then it must admit that it made a mistake. Europe and the United States did not understand the significance of the events that began with the negotiations on economic relations between Ukraine and the European Union, and then turned into demonstrations in Kiev. This (relations between Kiev and the EU) should have been the subject of a dialogue with Russia. ”

Neither subtract nor add, as they say.

If someone is ready after this to say that a sharp change did not occur in the policy of the United States in relation to the conflict in the east of Ukraine, that place is on the political talk shows of the national spill.

People who can think, understood.

As understood and an unambiguous phrase of the American sanctions:

“They are fraught with the danger that large states in the future may try to take protective measures and begin to regulate their own market more strongly. We publish lists of people whose accounts are frozen and which we prohibit entry, but what will happen next? When something starts, you should not lose sight of the end of the enterprise. ”


Of course, steps to compromise should have been made by Moscow and Kiev. The Kremlin is not really limited to the statements of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

For example, the disarmament of Bezler's units by the “DPR army”, as well as the inclusion of the Brain unit in the “army” indicate that the irreconcilable “war party” in the East is being cleaned.


What did Kiev do? Poroshenko made a pompous, pompous, and, in fact, useless statement that he "would not give" a chance to start a "third world madness."

In principle, the president of Ukraine in matters that decide the two world superpowers, is a small matter. When it is necessary - to declare, when it is necessary - to shut up, sign and shake hands.


The air smelled of peace. And in the air is the question "what was all this for?"
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  1. herruvim
    herruvim 15 November 2014 14: 27
    +37
    Closer and closer to the EU
    1. bda
      bda 15 November 2014 14: 37
      +26
      Author:
      Compromise War

      It is debatable that the war is ending.
      And, besides, even if any war ends with a compromise, this means that in fact this war does not end, but is only "postponed" on the shoulders of future generations. A compromise in such a situation is a guarantee of the mutual striving of the opposing sides at the first opportunity to "finish the matter right" - that is, uncompromisingly in their favor.
      1. bda
        bda 15 November 2014 14: 49
        +31
        By the way, the current Bandero-Ukria is a classic example on the topic of how they did not finish Banderlot’s collapse:
        - then agreements such as "whoever gets out of the forest and surrenders, we will save his life" (in fact, a compromise);
        - then Khrushchev, the corn worm, even under the amnesty, as "politically repressed" from the camps, let them out - those very shit-soaked underdogs that now wander in Bandera uniform on all Bandera holidays;
        - about the January and February compromises in Kiev - and I don’t want to talk - everyone remembers them (Yanukovych withdraws "Berkut", and the maydanuts, like, reduce their coefficient of maydanutness).
      2. SHILO
        SHILO 15 November 2014 15: 10
        0
        Quote: bda
        It is debatable that the war is ending.


        Debatable. But...! But the last days are somehow quieter. Mostly ours lie down and ... and the return does not arrive often.
        1. SHILO
          SHILO 15 November 2014 15: 29
          +9
          Well, a selection from Sharia laughing
          и

          as well (golden words by the way!)

          about! these "objective" dill media ...

          and a masterpiece for a snack - eating divisions of children!

          fellow belay wassat laughing
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 15 November 2014 15: 56
        +41
        Quote: bda
        It is debatable that the war is ending.

        You can answer like this winked
        Avakov nervously twisted the revolver drum. There was one bullet in the drum. As so, Arsen thought, it’s Rabbit screaming about a bullet, and even in the forehead.
        In the dugout there was a smell of urine, it was very smoked. It was January 2015. Arsen glanced at the map - the front line was approaching Kiev. Outside the walls, a blizzard was heard, Arsen stepped out of the dugout. Night, snowstorm, how cold - again -25. Returning to the dugout, Avakov looked at Lyashko, who was sleeping on the shabby floor, in an embrace with a pitchfork. Nearby lay a thin body, dressed in a padded jacket, felt boots and cotton pants - Gerashchenko did not get out of hard drinking for a second week.
        Yes, and so it all started well - tanks, planes, facebook, Arsen thought.
        The radio was silent for a week ...
        1. huut
          huut 15 November 2014 20: 22
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, and so it all started well - tanks, planes, facebook, Arsen thought.
          The radio was silent for a week ...

          And outside the window it was snowing and a company of Red Army soldiers ...

          It looks like the Asso-Begemotov "Front" and "Shtirlitsa")
        2. pensioner
          pensioner 16 November 2014 18: 43
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          and it all started well - tanks, planes, facebook, Arsen thought.

          laughing
          And not bad poked you after yesterday yes ...Hi dear! fellow
      4. sgazeev
        sgazeev 15 November 2014 17: 36
        +6
        Quote: bda
        Author:
        Compromise War

        It is debatable that the war is ending.
        And, besides, even if any war ends with a compromise, this means that in fact this war does not end, but is only "postponed" on the shoulders of future generations. A compromise in such a situation is a guarantee of the mutual striving of the opposing sides at the first opportunity to "finish the matter right" - that is, uncompromisingly in their favor.
      5. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 15 November 2014 18: 02
        +2
        Quote: bda
        It is debatable that the war is ending.
        And, besides, even if any war ends with a compromise, this means that in fact this war does not end, but is only "postponed" on the shoulders of future generations. A compromise in such a situation is a guarantee of the mutual striving of the opposing sides at the first opportunity to "finish the matter right" - that is, uncompromisingly in their favor.

        The only correct explanation of a possible “compromise.” (It is not a fact that it will take place at all.) And the “freezing” of the current situation suits Russia less than any other of all interested parties. If Western interests are interested in selfishness, then Russia has no right to forgive such crimes against the Russian people! (The Odessa nightmare will go down in history as one of the blackest pages in the history of the Russian World.) And put up with the threat to itself in the form of an exclusively hostile regime and a stronghold for NATO troops - a usray - is fraught with the worst consequences ...
      6. persei
        persei 15 November 2014 18: 24
        +1
        I completely agree ... The war did not end and it is unlikely that Kiev will put up with the departure of the southeast for free swimming ...
        INTERFAX.RU - The head of the SBU, Valentin Nalyvaichenko, said that a special unit of active operations could be created in the Security Service of Ukraine.

        “Our team now has specialists of the highest level of Ukrainian and international, and the corresponding amendments to the legislation have already been prepared,” Nalyvaichenko said on the air of the Inter channel on Friday evening.
        1. asar
          asar 15 November 2014 23: 39
          0
          Quote: persei
          I completely agree ... The war did not end and it is unlikely that Kiev will put up with the departure of the southeast for free swimming ...
          INTERFAX.RU - The head of the SBU, Valentin Nalyvaichenko, said that a special unit of active operations could be created in the Security Service of Ukraine.

          “Our team now has specialists of the highest level of Ukrainian and international, and the corresponding amendments to the legislation have already been prepared,” Nalyvaichenko said on the air of the Inter channel on Friday evening.

          Let them stomp, we are waiting for them, sir, with impatience, "specialists of the highest level ..." You look, and we "meet" acquaintances, how then to be ?!
      7. The comment was deleted.
      8. siberalt
        siberalt 15 November 2014 22: 32
        0
        Parashenka closes all government agencies in Donbass. Judges and officials were invited to leave for other regions at will. It seems like he's going to withdraw troops. Is Obama "baked" laughing
    2. Lone wolf
      Lone wolf 15 November 2014 14: 54
      +15
      herruvim (2) SU Today, 14:27 PM New
      Closer and closer to the EU

      Yeah ... There is a joke to this photo .. In Kiev, a black man is riding a bus sitting. Could the place give way to women or grandmothers but thinks to himself - They’re standing pigs ... And then at the next stop a drunken guard bursts into the air with Kalash around the bus’s interior with a muddy look and jerking the shutter yelling Russian EEE ???? A Negro at the sight of Kalash and the characteristic sound of the shutter instinctively pisses and slowly rises ... The crest puts an automatic at him and then sharpens in the burkals and gets kind - Yes, you sit down for my son, I’m bach!
    3. Prapor-527
      Prapor-527 15 November 2014 14: 56
      +20
      The conflict in the east of Ukraine is entering its completion stage. Conflict is when two women in a hostel hari scratched each other ... There is a war. A war without compromise. For the native land, the native language, against the Nazis and fascists, revenge for the ruined children and the elderly, the destroyed cities, the desecrated memory of their ancestors ...
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 15 November 2014 15: 06
        +11
        Oh, it seems to me, this conflict is five years old! And it’s still optimistic. Everything will end only with the departure of the Americans from Europe. And this is not Ukraine, the scale is different. It will take a long and monotonous effort to squeeze the United States out of all spheres of Eurasia’s life. And this the task is not at all trivial and arch-complicated.what
        1. Viktor Kudinov
          Viktor Kudinov 15 November 2014 15: 46
          +6
          Spilled blood will remain between New Russia and Ukraine for a long time, between people of different political and religious convictions, between Ukrainians and non-Ukrainians, etc. Do not be under the illusion that the war ends with the signing of papers. It will end only when at least the causes that caused it disappear. No.
          1. your1970
            your1970 15 November 2014 23: 13
            +1
            Apparently, the spilled blood on Damansky was long remembered? became friends with China back three years later.
            or did the causes of WWII disappear in 1918? or did the causes of WWII disappear in 1945?
            The war (any) ends exclusively with the signing of papers by the winners and tearing into pieces of the losers
    4. coolvoldik
      coolvoldik 15 November 2014 15: 37
      +4
      The party’s Block Petra Poroshenko’s website published the text of a draft Coalition Agreement, which was approved as a result of five out of six negotiations ... Ukraine will formulate a government policy aimed at the return of Crimea and Sevastopol.

      It's only the beginning.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 15 November 2014 16: 00
        +6
        Quote: coolvoldik
        It's only the beginning.


        The Netherlands, the OSCE and the DPR signed a protocol on the removal of debris Boeing

        “According to our data, a meeting was held last night at which a protocol was signed between the OSCE, the Dutch side and the DPR ministries for the export of debris from the territory of the republic,” TASS quoted the representative as saying.

        At the same time, the agency’s source explained that the export of parts of Boeing could begin tomorrow.
        Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/59677#ixzz3J8beprPH

        Why did the Dutch suddenly turn on the fast and the furious! And it was only necessary to wave a photograph on the first channel! Everything is just beginning. laughing
    5. Giant thought
      Giant thought 15 November 2014 15: 41
      +5
      In my opinion, the Cold War is already in full swing, though not on such a scale as in Soviet times, but it is, and the initiator of it, as always, is the United States, led by the winner of the Peace Prize.
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 15 November 2014 16: 15
        +10
        Quote: Thought Giant
        In my opinion, the cold war is already in full swing,

        but I think it did not end
    6. Civil
      Civil 15 November 2014 15: 59
      +1
      War makes sense only for war, it feeds itself like a fire! The fervor of militarism must be brought down, nobody needs rivers of corpses, there are no goals that war would justify!
    7. Siberian German
      Siberian German 15 November 2014 19: 26
      +1
      messenger messenger - they understand one messenger - through a shell through popenhagen
    8. user
      user 18 November 2014 15: 49
      0
      Moreover, they will make Russia ... an ally on many strategic issues.


      Have you heard such a joke?
  2. RUSS
    RUSS 15 November 2014 14: 28
    +12
    The conflict in the east of Ukraine is entering its completion stage.

    If the author considers that what is happening in the Donbass as a stage of completion, then I have no comments.
    1. Lentosder
      Lentosder 15 November 2014 14: 57
      +3
      I have! but he is completely obscene!
    2. biron
      biron 15 November 2014 18: 07
      0
      In Donbas it is a long time soldier
  3. Denis fj
    Denis fj 15 November 2014 14: 28
    +12
    And in Ukraine, peace and prosperity will not come - until gutting-Bandera in Kiev, and until the Nazi factories, parties and movements across the country are banned.

    What politicians say, how the troops of Novorossia are reorganized by their personalities is not important. For you, this is generally a dark forest, and good. But I’ll say to help you - Ukraine will be cured.
    After such an exacerbation of a chronic disease, treatment measures are necessary, surgery will not help.
    About New Russia - and we are not talking. She is and will be!
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 15 November 2014 16: 10
      +3
      Quote: denis fj
      and until then, Nazi factory parties and movements throughout the country have not been banned.

      this process can last more than one decade and without any guarantee of success. it’s too painful all this muck is driven into their heads ((
  4. rassel0889
    rassel0889 15 November 2014 14: 34
    +11
    Peace !? Every day bombed! What kind of world are we talking about?
  5. Alcoholic
    Alcoholic 15 November 2014 14: 38
    +9
    Shary dreamer. Shary is a man with a complex of hope.
    It pleases. But, sadly, the war did not even come to a peak.
    Moreover, the Maidan will not calm down.
    They need action.
    The war did not end until there was a trial of the Nazis.
    Not even fascists, ordinary criminals.
    It will not end until the crest remains a crest in the form as it is now, and not a Slav.
    1. ququ
      ququ 15 November 2014 17: 29
      0
      I liked the article.
      IMHO - the purpose of this publication is to analyze the actions of major players (RF-USA) against the backdrop of changes in the US government. And today it is empirically possible to conclude that negotiations of interested parties about what kind of status Ukraine will continue to exist have begun.
      As rightly noted, Ukraine is only a participant signing what they say.

      And the question at the end of the article is correct. Why did our "partners" start this whole show.
      1. Alcoholic
        Alcoholic 15 November 2014 22: 17
        +1
        Good question?))
        Yes, the answer is obvious.
        And everyone will have to answer.
        It is ALL.
    2. your1970
      your1970 15 November 2014 23: 17
      +1
      TNW? Sarin - soman - vi-x? 20-30 million to camps in Siberia?
  6. Dmitriy1975
    Dmitriy1975 15 November 2014 14: 46
    +10
    Yes, there will be no peace in the next 2 years for sure, the bucket clearly understands that as soon as the demobilization returns from the atom, they immediately lift it up with bayonets, and therefore the war will continue and with great losses for all the battalions there, they must grind it differently another Maidan, and to blame him not where he didn’t get into any where
  7. dimdimich71
    dimdimich71 15 November 2014 14: 47
    +19
    Ukraine is getting closer to Europe ...
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 15 November 2014 15: 06
      +10
      Here are the related series:



  8. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 15 November 2014 14: 54
    +7
    This is just the beginning! America yawned a pawn and was picked up. Rolled back to the previous field. Now licks his torn anus. Let's see further.
  9. pahom54
    pahom54 15 November 2014 14: 58
    +4
    "The air smelled of peace" ...

    There was nothing good to smell, the author looked at today's events through pink glasses.

    "The conflict in the east of Ukraine is coming to an end" ...

    This is the author and politicians think so ... Too much blood has been spilled, damage to the economy and so on and so forth ... Do you think these guys who are now fighting in the militia will forgive the dill for their atrocities? Or forgive the politicians who are trying to impose peace on them, but only the world is not what the fighters of New Russia would like to see?

    By signing the so-called peace on a piece of paper today, Ukraine will receive a slowly smoldering fire, like on a peat bog, and will never know where, when, and with what force the flame will break out ... So don't be deceived ...
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 15 November 2014 15: 35
      +2
      Quote: pahom54
      Do you think these guys who are now fighting in the militia will forgive the dill for their atrocities?

      These guys will not forgive (and they will be right, of course!). Only they will not be asked seriously what they want: Mozgovoy was never able to achieve a general Military Council - and where, it would seem, is more authoritative to look for a commander? Strelkov "left" and no one was asked. WHO made the decision - the militias?
      If you "decapitate" the rebellious troops - and this is not as difficult as it might seem - the excitement will end very soon, and those who are ALLOWED will continue to serve, following the instructions of the "new leadership". Well, the levers of influence are very simple: for example, to block the supply channels of the unit. You still need to eat, and the BC will be replenished too. What's the point with you - hungry and unarmed?
      And Mr. Surkov and his associates have been using this successfully - and for a long time.
  10. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 15 November 2014 15: 01
    +4
    If the air smelled of peace, then it is solely from the increased capabilities of the army of New Russia. And then with all this, skirmishes along the contact line do not stop. The hunters will not abandon the plan to capture New Russia. If their gut is thin now, then things can change over time. Examples already exist: the loss of Serbian Krajina by the Serbs. But there is an example of Saakashvili’s unsuccessful attempt to return South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Therefore, the army of New Russia needs to keep the gunpowder dry, and Russia needs to be prepared to recognize this territory as independent.
    1. zzz
      zzz 15 November 2014 15: 04
      +6
      Russian President Vladimir Putin heard a very unpleasant remark from Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper when he approached the Canadian leader for a handshake at the G20 summit in Brisbane, Australia.

      "I understand that I have to shake your hand, but I have only one thing that I would like to tell you: you must leave Ukraine," Harper told Putin, quoted by his spokesman Jason MacDonald, Bloomberg reports.

      Putin’s response to the call was negative, McDonald explained, without going into details. The Russian delegation has not yet commented on the incident.

      Recall that the host of the event, Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, accused Russia of supplying Donbass separatists with weapons used in the destruction of the Malaysian Boeing over the Donetsk region. In turn, Obama called Russia one of the main threats to modern world security and called the United States a country that is capable of resisting Russian aggression against Kiev.

      According to Dmitry Peskov, a spokesman for the Russian leader, "Harper actually told Putin that Russia should leave Ukraine." The Russian president replied that “this is impossible,” since there are no Russian troops in Ukraine, Peskov added. According to him, the conversation between Putin and Harper did not last long, and his tone did not go beyond decency.

      I hope Putin still has his say on the G20. As a Russian patriot, I really look forward to his response, in which he sends everyone far and long.

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    2. avia1991
      avia1991 15 November 2014 15: 25
      +1
      Quote: x.andvlad
      But there is an example of an unsuccessful attempt by Saakashvili return South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
      ..with the direct intervention of Russia! Now we do not observe this ..
    3. your1970
      your1970 15 November 2014 23: 27
      +1
      increased opportunities - this is when and if - "artillery and hail CAN NOT shoot at Donetsk, because mobile groups of militiamen are destroying the crews and the installations themselves. "
      Skirmishes on the contact line could be in 1941-45 when there was a front line, and not now between the regular army of Ukraine and partisans supported by the population
  11. Rigla
    Rigla 15 November 2014 15: 10
    +1
    There is one "but" ... Any peace talks MUST be linked to the lifting of sanctions, otherwise ... We know these "partners", they say one thing, do another. There is peace, there are agreements, then there are no sanctions, otherwise the war, and even if it is exhausted, it has already been declared against us. And it turns out New Russia (almost all "in the hands of the Nazis, the South-East is blocked, and then the world ... No, lifting the sanctions and only then freezing the conflict (if Novorossia has no strength to attack).
  12. Genur
    Genur 15 November 2014 15: 12
    0
    A lot of dubious ...
  13. vsoltan
    vsoltan 15 November 2014 15: 16
    +2
    No, nothing will stop, the conflict is in full swing ... only tactical maneuvers, retreats, delaying the time, negotiations are possible - all with the sole goal of waiting for a moment and further armed attack against both Novorossiya and information about Russia ... never Anglo-Saxons will not be friends with us and negotiate. I hope our management is aware of this recourse
  14. Cat man null
    Cat man null 15 November 2014 15: 19
    +5
    If you think a little (before you write something and put the pros and cons laughing ), you get something like the following:

    - Ukraine is not a subject, but an object of politics. Translated, this means that it was not "Ukraine decided", but "Ukraine was forced." Those who want to challenge - go ahead.
    - Big uncles (USA and EU) slowly but inevitably come to the conclusion that the performance (in Ukraine) must be curtailed. Since he does not bring dividends, he brings more and more noticeable hemorrhoids.
    - the guys come to this conclusion because .. they just don't like hemorrhoids. The causes of hemorrhoids - and Novorossiya with its militias, who, well, do not want to "appease", and the line of the Russian leadership, well, and besides, there are reasons .. it does not matter .. it is important that uncles still began to mature understanding..
    - to people who are here telling about the author's "rose-colored glasses" (by Anatoly Shariy, I remind you) - to smoke all Shariy's videos .. think a lot, only then write something. Shariy is a Ukrainian journalist, not at all pro-Russian, just honest. And what the "rozovoochists" write about .. um .. from the couch - he personally watches every day. In the DPR / LPR, yes.

    But will there be peace in Ukraine, and in what form it will be, if it will - this is not yet known to science. Как policy makers agree - something like this will be.

    Voooot ..
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 15 November 2014 15: 50
      0
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      uncles still began to mature understanding.

      In the sense - "hemorrhoids began to inflame"? laughing
      But in general - yes, I agree. "Plus" to you! hi
    2. ququ
      ququ 15 November 2014 17: 44
      0
      Plus one hundred to five hundred. The Ukrainian journalist A. Shariy simply not biased, honestly and reasonably wrote that "the uncles have begun to understand" whether there will be peace in Ukraine, and in what form it will be, if there will be ... .. "
    3. Aleksander
      Aleksander 15 November 2014 22: 21
      -1
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      And what the "rozovoochists" write about .. um .. from the couch - he personally watches every day. In the DPR / LPR, yes.


      He is either in Oslo, or in the United States. And this is clearly not the DNI ....
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  15. Andrea
    Andrea 15 November 2014 15: 20
    0
    Tolik is a big optimist! How about the fact that Kiev does not do anything that it signs. Maybe Obama wants to improve his image by a peace treaty (although this can be regarded as a defeat, because he did not get what he wanted).
    So, you shouldn’t be amused with hope, negotiations or another bluff, or cover, of something vile. I’d better be mistaken.
  16. sv68
    sv68 15 November 2014 15: 22
    0
    it was necessary to send Zhirinovsky to the summit! and so that he could add to kengurland on that95-let the bastards shake and hiccup on what Volfovich will tell you!
  17. avia1991
    avia1991 15 November 2014 15: 24
    0
    “They are fraught with the danger that large states may try to take protective measures in the future and begin to regulate their own market more strongly.
    Indeed: well, how will these states (Russia) move in their internal development to full self-sufficiency ?! How then to press on them ?! Horror! wassat
    In fact, in my opinion, Anatoly has decomposed the current situation quite competently. What makes it sad: people are decent, honest, REAL! - perished defending their home, their beliefs and the right to live as they see fit. But the same "elites" are in a hurry to take advantage of the fruits of their sacrifice - what difference does it make in what color they are now painted ?! Their insides are the same.
  18. Megatron
    Megatron 15 November 2014 15: 36
    0
    This Shariy is still that shot. In the beginning, "ATO" was a sharp critic of the "separatists", and now he is coming out to scold the authorities.
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 15 November 2014 15: 43
      +3
      Quote: Megatron
      At the beginning, "ato" was a sharp critic of the "separatists"

      Right. But then he was not too lazy to visit the Donbass, and personally figure out what was happening. After that, the tone of his statements changed dramatically.
      PS Besides, he did not say anything new, which we ourselves could not hear and see in the media. He simply compared one with the other, and showed that 2 + 2 for our politicians is not 4, but - "options are possible" ..
      1. kompotnenado
        kompotnenado 15 November 2014 18: 35
        0
        For example, in the beginning I also had a far from positive attitude towards militias. They were somehow muddy. Until Strelkov cut through. The change occurred when dill began to bomb Lugansk.
    2. Aljavad
      Aljavad 16 November 2014 03: 35
      0
      This ary is still that shot. In the beginning, "ATO" was a sharp critic of the "separatists", and now he is coming out to scold the authorities.

      Well, who does not scold them ??? Soon they will start to beat ... (theirs). And then ours will come, they will judge.
  19. sounddoc
    sounddoc 15 November 2014 15: 38
    +6
    With all due respect to the journalist, Sharia, I can say that the end of the war is not visible. This is beneficial to the current authorities - supporting a degree of tension in society, an excuse to explain the catastrophe in the economy and social sphere, the possibility of sawing a holey budget of nenki under the clatter of guns, redirecting the black energy of armed stupas -nationalists to confront the DPR and LPR ... There are many reasons ... The West (read the mattress) has an excuse to put pressure on Russia without observing elementary rules or decency ... Ukraine is on fire ... sad to say. ..
    1. Viktor Kudinov
      Viktor Kudinov 15 November 2014 16: 03
      0
      War ends only when hostility and enemies disappear. As long as they remain, the war continues. If not in the open, then by vile methods. negative
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  20. dimdimich71
    dimdimich71 15 November 2014 15: 51
    +2
    I could not resist, a little off topic, from the Internet ... laughing
  21. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 15 November 2014 16: 18
    +3
    Quote: zzz
    Russian President Vladimir Putin heard a very unpleasant remark from Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper when he approached the Canadian leader for a handshake at the G20 summit in Brisbane, Australia.

    "I understand that I have to shake your hand, but I have only one thing that I would like to tell you: you must leave Ukraine," Harper told Putin, quoted by his spokesman Jason MacDonald, Bloomberg reports.

    Putin’s response to the call was negative, McDonald explained, without going into details. The Russian delegation has not yet commented on the incident.

    Recall that the host of the event, Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, accused Russia of supplying Donbass separatists with weapons used in the destruction of the Malaysian Boeing over the Donetsk region. In turn, Obama called Russia one of the main threats to modern world security and called the United States a country that is capable of resisting Russian aggression against Kiev.

    According to Dmitry Peskov, a spokesman for the Russian leader, "Harper actually told Putin that Russia should leave Ukraine." The Russian president replied that “this is impossible,” since there are no Russian troops in Ukraine, Peskov added. According to him, the conversation between Putin and Harper did not last long, and his tone did not go beyond decency.

    I hope Putin still has his say on the G20. As a Russian patriot, I really look forward to his response, in which he sends everyone far and long.


    The leader of Canada is a harper, of course strength! The level of the nerd that the niger sent, like go and call uncle, what will it be? The country on the flag of which shows a fig leaf that covered the shame painted on it, and all the same, to the rulers of the world! nimble, free the Indians from reservations, and then we'll talk, stupid! am
    1. Lyton
      Lyton 15 November 2014 17: 19
      +2
      These two leaders, that of Harper, that of Abbott, all the local aborigines, in fact, live in poverty in reservations, and the newcomers are in charge of all, they should think about it, and they will worry about Ukraine and we all know with whose serve, the hypocrites are bloody.
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  22. cosmos132
    cosmos132 15 November 2014 16: 24
    0
    Some "drain", others betray, still others provoke.
  23. zero12005
    zero12005 15 November 2014 16: 29
    +3
    In the light of recent events ... Having learned that the military equipment of Ukraine is approaching the borders of Russia, the receivers of scrap metal began to pull up from the Russian side.

    09:13:33 - Paul

    ... Pickup is possible. OJSC Militia
  24. Lukich
    Lukich 15 November 2014 16: 30
    +4
    Is it really true? do juntas save their skins?

    Today on the Web - on the Internet resources of Vovan and his associates - a continuation of a Skype conversation between the Governor of the Dnipropetrovsk Region Igor Kolomoisky and Pavel Gubarev, a pranker, who, taking advantage of the outward resemblance to one of the leaders of New Russia, called the oligarch to be frank.
    After the snap parliamentary elections, reports appeared in the Ukrainian press that the governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region, Igor Kolomoisky, could be removed from this post. As Ukrainian portal 112.ua reported earlier, a source in the presidential administration said: “everyone is already tired of the oligarch’s tricks, and Petro Poroshenko is ready to take a decisive step.”
    “The level of loyalty to Kolomoisky is gradually disappearing. At one time, he really showed himself as a tough manager, did not allow separatism in the Dnipropetrovsk region. But at the same time, he allows himself things incompatible with the position of a civil servant of this rank, ”the source emphasized.
    The Ukrainian press notes that Russian prankers also contributed. So, at the end of October, a telephone conversation between the oligarch-governor and pranker Alexei (the "comrade" of the famous Vovan) made a lot of noise. He talked with Kolomoisky, introducing himself as one of the leaders of Novorosia, Pavel Gubarev.
    Despite the fact that the real Gubarev back in June promised to “buy out Kolomoisky’s head” for a million dollars, the oligarch (for reasons that were clear only to him) still opened up with one of the leaders of the militia. Unless, of course, this was not a game on his part, as some experts suspect. In addition, Internet users suspect that during these conversations Kolomoisky was not too sober.
    Be that as it may, but in a conversation with the pranker - "Gubarev" the oligarch allowed himself to express a lot of "seditious" thoughts. In particular, he confessed to a telephone bully of sympathy for the militias.
    In addition, the oligarch-governor praised the famous battalion commander Igor Bezler (known as Bes) for helping to lower the rating of Oleg Lyashko, and also called the leader of the radicals “aleaf”.
    Today, Russian prankers have posted on their resources on the Internet, as they write, “Continuation of the series with Kolomoisky. Part 4 ″.
    In this conversation, which took place on skype before the elections to the Verkhovna Rada, Kolomoisky offers Gubarev (the pranker uses the external resemblance) to "go to Kiev together." At the same time, laughing, Kolomoisky adds: “Without us, you still won’t go.”
    The oligarch also reveals many other secrets of the political cuisine of Ukraine, offers the leadership of the DPR his gas stations in the Donetsk region, and also invites the leaders of Novorosia to participate in the elections to the Verkhovna Rada.
    In addition, Kolomoisky talks about his dreams of “making Ukraine smarter with people” and that changes to the Constitution regarding the status of the DPR and LPR will be “shoved” (expression of the oligarch) through parliament.
    source http://politicrusnews.ru/news/1821.html
  25. _my opinion
    _my opinion 15 November 2014 16: 31
    +1
    ... the freedom that Americans and Germans have today ...

    that no one else has freedom except them?
    Aggressive behavior of Russia in Ukraine is unacceptable

    who argues, it's only you, the Americans (with your henchmen) scream about this aggression,
    But the really over-aggressive behavior of the United States in relation to Russia-is this in the order of things ???
  26. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever 15 November 2014 17: 26
    +3
    ".. The conflict in the East of Ukraine is entering the stage of completion ..."

    Gentlementhat all this is UNCHAINED - THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING .... and the people have not yet spoken their word, because YOU speak for it today.
    And now this spark will smolder until the FLAME flares up and many do not like this flame ....

    ".. There is a smell of peace in the air. And the question is in the air," and for what was all this? "

    But it turns out everything for the sake of BABL Akhmetov and the interests of the Russian Jewish lobby - they got it .., but we'll find out about it later ..

    You need to return your nationality to your passport ... it's high time ...
    To voice who today controls our industry - what nationalities and how much they export earned by the Russian people through foreign investment.

    GOD is a great parent.
    Very often "certain" knowledge and wisdom can be obtained only through suffering.
    Today, a Russian man as the owner of the Russian land is VINULATE before the fallen for the Russian State.
    They don’t want to think and analyze, for which the Jewish lobby thinks very well for them.

    The Jews today threw the Russians a bone "Russian march", "Russian world" and the Russians went without thinking about who and where is leading them, and some simply follow the BABLO. SAD ...

    So Gubarev is already talking about Akhmetov’s property - we’ll think and come up with laws, and I think Kurginyan will help him in this. In the meantime, the war criminal Akhmetov will be cutting down Donuts in the Donbass .....

    And you say the Bolsheviks are bad. And if someone says so, which means they need to.
    And the Bolsheviks are from those of today who came in February 1917 and saved Russia in October-November 1917. But today someone dares to denigrate them .. And it is known that the Bolsheviks had little choice and they chose "out of two evils - the least. And today EVIL helps to procreate - and therefore the honor is not great."
    In Russia, either Nightingale the Robber or the militia has always replaced justice or to counter intervention. Russia and with it the world will either stand against the BABLA or perish in the walk-field.
  27. Queen Mother
    Queen Mother 15 November 2014 17: 38
    +6
    And this is the family that died in Gorlovka.
    https://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_29276
    Another "Horlivka tragedy" ... what "WORLD" is everyone talking about ????
  28. FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN 15 November 2014 17: 48
    +2
    that the irreconcilable “party of war" in the East is being cleared. ........ it is this party that guarantees the existence of the DPR, LPR ......... Do not make irreparable mistakes, friends! Now Poroshenko takes strict control of the border with New Russia, introduces severe economic pressure, and this is the worst of the scenarios
  29. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever 15 November 2014 17: 57
    +2
    "..USA and Russia find points of convergence in Ukraine" "

    Sometimes it’s worth voicing these points.
    The site "Russian Spring", "3 ministers were arrested in the DPR, among them the fighter against the" Akhmetov mafia "Alexei Granovsky" 15.11.2014/17/16 - XNUMX:XNUMX

    "Yesterday in Donetsk, three ministers were arrested, including the Minister of Fuel and Energy, one of the most principled and decent members of the cabinet," Alexei Granovsky, who fought hard against the Akhmetov mafia, "said Daria, acting head of the press service of the DPR Foreign Ministry in Moscow Mitina.

    “The arrestees have not yet been charged.”

    DPR intelligence chief Sergei Petrovsky also confirmed the arrest of Deputy Prime Minister, Head of the DPR Reconstruction Management Center Alexander Kalyusky "

    Akhmetov’s revenge is being realized by Khodakovsky, and if such political events in Transnistria took place quietly, then they won’t get in the DPR and LPR. And thunder will strike in Russia.
    And you Russian nationalists, who received their bone from the State Department, can go back to your "Russian March" - you will not break off again. Admiring yourself in the mirror - you have never painted a man, but today you are not given another.

    Now the betrayal at the Donetsk airport and with the Russian paratroopers, the delivery of the hero of the DPR to Kononov, as well as mercy to the dill that crossed the Russian border and the lack of this mercy to the Russian militias and their families - EVERYTHING explains.

    The Russians will get a plate of stew from American exclusiveness - the more YOU have not earned, and your children too.
    Oh, how was the RIGHTS of the Shooters that did not take the award ....
    Judge ... by business .... everyone ..
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 15 November 2014 18: 24
      +1
      Oooohhh ... what in connection with this first comes to mind?

      - "To be free, you must obey the laws"
      - "You cannot live in society and be free from society"

      But seriously - the time of romantics is ending, pragmatists remain in power .. and the people here, sadly, have nothing to do with it.

      This is neither bad nor good - it is an objective reality. Just - it was, is and will be.

      Voooot ..
    2. Samurai3X
      Samurai3X 15 November 2014 19: 32
      +1
      Quote: Tanya-umunechka
      Now the betrayal at the Donetsk airport and with the Russian paratroopers, the delivery of the hero of the DPR to Kononov, as well as mercy to the dill that crossed the Russian border and the lack of this mercy to the Russian militias and their families - EVERYTHING explains.

      Those. in theirs it was necessary to grind from the cliffs of the military who came with a white flag to the border with the Russian Federation? To give such a wonderful occasion for international proceedings?
      And those 300-400 thousand refugees - is that so, just came to dumplings?
      How easy it is to twist people with limited intelligence ...
  30. s30461
    s30461 15 November 2014 18: 08
    0
    Quote: Tanya-umunechka
    And you say the Bolsheviks are bad. And since someone says so, it means they need. And the Bolsheviks are from those of today who came in February 1917 and saved Russia in October-November 1917. But today someone dares to denigrate them .. And it is known that the Bolsheviks had little choice and they chose “out of two evils - the least. And today, EVIL helps to procreate, and therefore honor is not great. In Russia, to replace justice or to resist the intervention, either the Nightingale the Robber or the militia always came in. Russia and the world together with it will either withstand BABLA or perish in the walk-field.

    What can I say - a solid five Tanya !!! I already hesitated to explain to many citizens that the October Revolution saved Russia from collapse. After all, if you look closely at the activities of the Provisional Government, it becomes clear that the country was simply distributed to European and American tycoons. So to speak: I will give my homeland free of charge.
  31. Evilcat
    Evilcat 15 November 2014 18: 21
    0
    Quote: sounddoc
    With all due respect to the journalist, Sharia, I can say that the end of the war is not visible. This is beneficial to the current authorities - supporting a degree of tension in society, an excuse to explain the catastrophe in the economy and social sphere, the possibility of sawing a holey budget of nenki under the clatter of guns, redirecting the black energy of armed stupas -nationalists to confront the DPR and LPR ... There are many reasons ... The West (read the mattress) has an excuse to put pressure on Russia without observing elementary rules or decency ... Ukraine is on fire ... sad to say. ..

    Keywords - profitable acting ukrovlasti. But the reasons may be completely different. Already, the authorities owed the ATO participants a lot of money. There is nothing to give. Guarantees that after the end of all these participants will not come to Kiev any. Rather, the exact opposite will come.
  32. YLTHEN
    YLTHEN 15 November 2014 18: 56
    0
    It is incomprehensible to the mind, why did they destroy so many young lives ?! To whom and what did you want to prove?
  33. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 15 November 2014 19: 08
    +1
    I don’t understand, but whom does the author actually represent? If this is his personal opinion, then it is simply stupid, as well as those whom he represents obviously do not shine with intelligence. The red line has been crossed, crossed by the West (primarily by the states) and there is no talk of any "agreement" with the aggressor, everything will end only when "EVERYTHING WILL RETURN TO ITS CIRCLES", namely when the Russian lands and the Russian people return to the bosom of the Fatherland, and the fascist ki will appear before the court, but better let them smear their forehead with brilliant green.
  34. Siberian
    Siberian 15 November 2014 19: 19
    +1
    = The apotheosis of war = Vereshchagin ... not in vain precedes this article .. the war, in my opinion, has not come close to its end, that's why international organizations state that it has reached its peak, and Poroshenko instructed his Foreign Ministry to explain in the West why the army is exterminating the population of Donbass ..... Coming-are still coming hard tests for both the Donbass and Russia .......
  35. viruvalge412ee
    viruvalge412ee 15 November 2014 19: 24
    0
    It didn’t smell in the air, but it smells, like in Moscow a nasty smell of a real WAR! The war is already underway.
    We will stand it anyway. In this geographical territory, people cannot be defeated. The practice of life has shown this.
    This is the stage when you need to beat first below the belt, and then into a mug and finish off with your knuckles with your knuckles without the slightest pity!
  36. viruvalge412ee
    viruvalge412ee 15 November 2014 19: 41
    0
    Yes all! It is not clear chtol!? We fed, we feed and we will feed part of ukrov. We will feed! We will fight back from everything. Our salvation is missiles and tanks. All clear!
    But, here is a good thing to do, hell knows! As always! You need to know and feel your actions ironically! That's what our sun is.
  37. Chernig
    Chernig 15 November 2014 19: 42
    0
    Groundhog Day continues))) as soon as the Nazis and Banderlog again suffer losses of equipment and cannon fodder, so again negotiations, a truce in the allegedly "acting". and of course, Poroshenko could not do without pretentious moronic statements to the public
  38. vigor1288
    vigor1288 15 November 2014 19: 56
    0
    Shariy is right about something, I regularly watch his "sketches", in some ways I began to understand him, but again - his opinion is the opinion of a person, and therefore there is subjectivity. But to represent the overall picture, and especially where the truth is, and where the lie is in ukrosmi - he surpassed himself, as they say. As for the rest, it is better to trust the political philologists of German publications - where it is clearly and clearly stated - Ukraine is an invention of the USSR, a geopolitical experiment, unfortunately, unsuccessful.
  39. nikkon09
    nikkon09 15 November 2014 20: 01
    0
    Oddly enough, everything depends on Putin and not on the West. The West wants war, so they can ask it well and can receive it, but the Kremlin wants war and doesn’t ask anyone. But it’s good that the politicians of the army didn’t set up, it’s good that They began to work normally in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. It would also be necessary to raise propaganda and the information workshop, because, first of all, Ukrainians themselves will have to pull their country out of this moronity ... Well, we will help, of course, we are not fascists ...
  40. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 15 November 2014 20: 06
    0
    Until the end of the scam on dill, oh, how far is it: the Bandera will be against the peace process, ukrofashists of different spills, different Kolomoisky Jews, Yulka, the geyropa herself and even the p- (s) indosia will bubble for a long time where they’re not used to getting over the ears. But PUTIN UMINITSA, did not let Russia get drawn into the war, knows more than Obama with hawks, than all geyropa officials, that Ukraine, like the east, is a delicate matter, monkeys from a baobab whim in a geyropeisky way are not solved, they live in Makhnovsky in Ukraine .
  41. little thing
    little thing 15 November 2014 20: 23
    0
    Some nonsense! In fact, the real war has not yet begun!
  42. Woolfy
    Woolfy 15 November 2014 20: 37
    0
    In the last words, the author asks. And why did it all begin? I think that they wanted to bend Russia, they thought that they would swallow and give them a ride. But no, failed. The country declared itself and showed the world that it would not tolerate arbitrariness in its interests. Will there be peace? Well, we'll see. Militant exclamations still appear. Take the same Aussie .....
  43. Karevik
    Karevik 15 November 2014 21: 07
    0
    Do you really not see people - the militias will be finished in the next two to three months! We, Russia, are washing our hands! Our leaders came to the conclusion that they flew with New Russia! Well, they should be ready, like Crimea, not immediately, but in a year or two Ukraine will again be there, or in extreme cases it will become an independent state!
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    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 November 2014 22: 08
      0
      Quote: karevik
      We, Russia, are washing our hands!

      Dear, go to the liberals, they will applaud you there! And then people like you have been yelling since January that Russia has leaked everyone. The minus is bold and I’ll slap it.
  44. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 15 November 2014 21: 15
    0
    Whatever the compromises and agreements between the states, the killers of law enforcement officers and officers and militants of the Ukrainian punitive army must be judged as war criminals, along with the entire Kiev junta.
    There must be justice in the world; otherwise, he needs such a world.

    The executioner of Chile Pinochet died a felon when he became unnecessary to the Yankees.
    God grant the same to all these filthy Yaros, Yatsenyuk, jerks, nicknames, dragsters, parashens and other dirty ukrofashists.
    1. your1970
      your1970 15 November 2014 23: 41
      +1
      Justice among politicians? What are you talking about? Someone from the WWII unleashed (except Hitler and the company) was condemned and hanged?
      At least one of the American companies that supplied Hitler with strategic materials during the war (bearings, steel watches, telephones, radio equipment, etc.) was brought to justice, the directors were sent to prison? Yeah, right now .....
  45. Robert49
    Robert49 15 November 2014 21: 29
    -1
    Winter will put everything in its place! The fascist regime in Kiev will not survive until spring. They will soon begin to wet each other!
    1. Chernig
      Chernig 15 November 2014 21: 51
      -1
      totally agree with you
  46. starshina pv
    starshina pv 15 November 2014 22: 17
    -1
    "and for the sake of what it was" - for the sake of the fact that this is another run over to Russia! Poles, Jews, and Ukrainian singers are involved here! They have perverted the entire post-war history against us. And now a new battlefield has opened!
  47. TOR2
    TOR2 15 November 2014 22: 30
    +3
    Conflict in the East of Ukraine enters its completion stage

    Stage of completion ...
  48. Urri
    Urri 15 November 2014 22: 42
    0
    Quote: robert49
    These will soon begin to water each other!



    So far, Bandera is doing its best to kill as many civilians as possible. And destroy to the maximum.
    It is possible to prevent shelling of schools, kindergartens and maternity hospitals, but for this some people must have eggs.

    If for every civilian killed, the commandant platoon of the militia will shoot the captured fascist, shoot hyacinths and peonies of women and infants who want to, will decrease quickly.
    Unfortunately, the Anglo-Saxon-controlled media is a servant of cannibals who have grown other cannibals for 70 years and have now released them.
    Conversations about the good and the eternal with cannibals are futile. We need working measures.
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  50. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 November 2014 03: 13
    0
    Putin doesn't mind, he has his own game - demonstrate the inability of the EU to solve the Ukrainian problem.

    Here Shariy is right. The EU and the same United States are only able to unleash a conflict, enter it into a protracted stage. Then calmly wash your hands and step aside.