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New Ukraine. What will it be

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New Ukraine. What will it be


Ukraine has accumulated a lot of anger, frustration, weaponsthe criminals. Every day it becomes less and less idealists, romantics, patriots. Therefore, I consider the transition from active hostilities to a relatively peaceful settlement of the conflict, against the background of the interest of the neighbors (Europe, Russia), in the medium term (spring-summer of next year). What could this country be?

Of course, not everything is still clear, but it is possible to outline the general contours. In the fall and winter, there will be a search for acceptable conditions for Russia, the United States and Europe (including Ukraine in this search will be the object). The West began to realize the fact that its strategy of striking Russia through Ukraine was defeated. The continuation of the war in the spring will bring the situation to an even less acceptable configuration (front, forces, capabilities). Therefore, it makes sense for him right now (there are still power arguments) to fix the "achievements" of the parties. Russia, realizing that time is playing against the West, is delaying the negotiation process (perhaps in anticipation of the approach of the BCH, which will strengthen its position in the negotiations).
The most realistic option (for today) I see is Putin’s so-called March theses on Ukraine (the federalization of the country). With this, in fact, everyone agrees (the elites mean). But it remains to fill the federalization with real meaning and convince the parties. So far, Ukrainian society, after the media’s media hysteria in the spring and autumn, is not quite ready to accept this (Donbass, by the way, too, but for a different reason). I think a hard (for all) winter-spring will cool hot heads.

But this is only the first step. No less important is the second. Who, and most importantly HOW will lead Ukraine in the future. Without resolving this issue, there is no point in starting the settlement process. Since after some (short) time everything will be repeated. The civil war has destroyed (and continues to destroy) many branches of the national economy of Ukraine. Those who take power in the end will have to rebuild (and not steal). Neither the current nor the representatives of the previous government have yet done this. The bureaucratic mentality must be changed (most likely, and many officials personally). The oligarch is no longer able to be an oligarch. Its representatives should remain very wealthy people who not only do not drag away the budget, but also pay taxes (well, without any stability for a long time). The people of Ukraine, in the end, should appreciate this power, considering it a lesser evil (fearing to break the stability). The main cause of the Maidan was an unruly oligarchy (out of political coloring) in its desires and actions, whose actions outraged, and still resent ALL (precisely everyone, that is why Yanukovych especially the east of Ukraine did not defend) the people of the country. This, as well as clearing the country of the mass of criminals with weapons, can only be done by a dictatorship. Therefore, only a very strong power ... In places. I think about democracy for some time will have to forget.

Now about how to grow the non-growing. Southeast with Ukraine and the interests of East and West. Now for many residents of the war zone, this may seem utopia (emotions over dead and destruction will not cool off for more than a decade), but if you look for peace (at this stage), then only this way. And the matter here is not at all in Ukraine (Her opinion is the tenth). Neither Europe nor Russia wants to hold new frontiers in Europe (unlike the United States, which essentially launched this war and are doing everything to continue it). The new policy of Russia is based on building a geopolitical bridge Berlin-Moscow-Beijing. Here, any new boundaries are points of tension, and therefore potential “impulses” that global opponents will not fail to take advantage of (the United States in the first place). Therefore, any "real" separation of Donbass (Novorossiya) from Ukraine (at least 2, at least 8 areas) Russia will not support (unlike the United States). And the creation of a federal New Ukraine will allow not only to observe its geopolitical interests in Ukraine, but also gradually squeeze American militant puppets out of its western part, replacing them with pragmatic European (puppets).

If all this is done, then peace in Ukraine is quite possible, and very soon and for a long time.
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  1. Renat
    Renat 15 November 2014 05: 55
    +5
    Change one puppet to another. But what about European chancellors, who, at the expense of their own economies, are friends against Russia. No my friends, the West will never leave us alone. Otherwise, all this elite will simply disappear.
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 15 November 2014 06: 13
      +18
      How to merge the non-bonded, Southeast with Ukraine?


      There will no longer be any merging of the Southeast with Ukraine. Do not entertain your illusions.
      DNR, LNR, Novorossia will remain the same unrecognized, apart from Russia and the same unrecognized republics, independent states.
      There are already enough examples: Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia. The rest is a matter of time - recognition and reunification with Russia.
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 15 November 2014 08: 47
        +9
        Quote: vladimirZ
        There will no longer be any merging of the Southeast with Ukraine. Do not entertain your illusions.
        1. APES
          APES 15 November 2014 14: 06
          +1
          Ukraine. What will she be


          Ukraine is no more ...
      2. news
        news 15 November 2014 16: 21
        +1
        what will Ukraine be like? she will be gangster.
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 15 November 2014 10: 18
      +7
      The new Ukraine is a fascist state, which considers Russia to be the main enemy, is preparing for war with it and will certainly begin to strengthen it a little, it was necessary to turn the neck of Ukrainian fascism in the spring.
    3. The comment was deleted.
    4. news
      news 15 November 2014 12: 48
      0
      Ukrainian political scientist Konstantin Bondarenko commented on videos widely discussed in the media and social networks with revelations of Kolomoisky in conversations with the Russian pranker.

      Using external resemblance to the leader of the Novorossiya movement Pavel Gubarev, Aleksey brought Kolomoisky to frank conversations about the most burning Ukrainian problems.

      Political analyst Bondarenko said that at least public explanations should be required from the head of the Dnipropetrovsk Regional State Administration. As a maximum, the situation should be considered at the level of senior government officials.

      “Any civilized political system in history that happened to Kolomoisky would have forced the governor to give exhaustive comments about what really happened. A person who manages an area that is actually at the forefront of hostilities cannot negotiate with terrorists and offer them to seize power in the country together. It is just ruled out
    5. captain
      captain 15 November 2014 13: 05
      +3
      Peace in Ukraine can be achieved only by dividing it into 3-4 states. It is impossible to keep people with different language, mentality and faith by force.
    6. Denis fj
      Denis fj 15 November 2014 14: 07
      0
      It would be nice if the next bloody world mess did without us, or at least not in the main role, but, apparently, not fate. I do not count on the imminent end of the United States, the EU or the dollar, but still I do not exclude such a possibility. And yes, it can be very bloody, including for us.
      Compared to the war, no position of Transnistria can be more unpleasant and uncomfortable. When everything turned around in the Crimea, we even hoped for the fate of Transnistria at first. Protectorates of any form with Russian military protection against sweeps didn’t count on much more, and many didn’t really hope for such help. In fact, we were not at all prepared for the fact that Russia was already strong enough to really take us back. Unfortunately, the forces were enough only for us.
      It seems to me that Donbass will never be Ukraine again, the war will drag on for another year or two, it will be very difficult for everyone. Ukraine will continue to fall apart. I don’t see something who wants to give her billions of help in the west, Putin also refused to pay for someone else’s girl. What can be a single state in a country cobbled together from different shreds, where different parts of this country are pulling carts in different directions, and even on the verge of economic collapse ... Who is willing to pay for this unity? No one is simple. Russia, most likely, will rely on a complete reformatting of the former Ukraine, on a gradual takeover, starting from the Donbass. Only Donbass, the future New Russia, it makes sense to help. There, our people are not only in blood, but, more importantly, in spirit. Therefore, helping them today is a contribution to themselves tomorrow. But contributing to the preservation of Ukraine in the current format, even if it will be called a confederation, is, IMHO, another time bomb under Russia
    7. news
      news 15 November 2014 16: 24
      +1
      that's what will be
  2. Denis
    Denis 15 November 2014 05: 58
    +9
    If all this is done, then peace in Ukraine is quite possible, and very soon and for a long time.
    No, son, this is fiction (c) advertising, alas
    In the picture, the wishful thinking is valid, but it is a pity that they are now very necessary
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 15 November 2014 06: 04
    +6
    If all this will be done, then peace in Ukraine is quite possible, and very soon and for a long time.


    Keyword if ....
    and if the US does not allow this to happen ...
    and if EUROPE does not want to feed UKRAINE for free ...
    and if the conflict develops into a protracted form ...
    and if ... and then ....
  4. mamont5
    mamont5 15 November 2014 06: 07
    +7
    "New Ukraine. What it will be"

    And will she, in general? ..

    "If all this is done, then peace in Ukraine is quite possible, and very soon and for a long time."

    I do not think this is possible soon. Yes, Russia needs a single friendly or at least neutral Ukraine. But to reduce these two parts now will not work, moreover, neither on either side.
    1. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 15 November 2014 12: 59
      +1
      Quote: mamont5
      "New Ukraine. What it will be"

      And will she, in general?

      if it does, then it’s the same as the old one.
  5. Sirocco
    Sirocco 15 November 2014 06: 07
    +7
    Russia and us as a whole benefit from the whole of Ukraine, what for, this hemorrhoid, on the border. Well, what awaits her, it is enough to recall the revolution-coup of 17 years, all like a carbon copy. Only the other characters are different, It’s interesting to which of these in the Rada is prepared ice axto whom browning, and someone from this gang will be lucky as Kerenskyalthough this is not fair. A good question has been posed, which I cannot even approximately answer.
    Neither Europe nor Russia wants to draw new borders in Europe now
    Then I do not agree, who is Europe? If the population, then maybe so. But the population is plasticine, from which you can sculpt any figure, only you need to warm it up correctlylike in Ukraine. And pick up a good sculptor. The wall and the border have already been moved from Germany, to our side. So what about the EU with their unwillingness to transfer something there, it’s from the evil one. Just for this, cookies were baked in Poland for denyuzhki from the USA transferred by Germany.
  6. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 15 November 2014 06: 17
    +5
    Now about how to merge non-coalescing. Southeast with Ukraine
    Well, they won’t be together. Never again! Even if the power in Kiev changes, how the people will forgive the dead and wounded. For the sorrow that survived. Impossible THIS!
  7. terrible
    terrible 15 November 2014 06: 28
    +3
    beggar and fiercely hating Russians, this will be dill! and then years later .... twenty, when the west again goes to war with us already in the open, hohlozopye again go to punishers and policemen !!
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 November 2014 06: 34
    +3
    The West began to realize the fact that its strategy of attacking Russia through Ukraine was defeated.

    In this I agree with the author. But the fact that peace in Ukraine can come quickly and for a long time in the scenario proposed by the author does not agree.
  9. askort154
    askort154 15 November 2014 06: 44
    +3
    This is not why the Americans have been "preparing" Ukraine for 20 years to tear it away from Russia. The Americans, first of all, do not need the Berlin-Moscow-Beijing bridge. The Americans need to prevent the EU from drawing closer to Russia and have their own military bases closer to Moscow. Therefore, Ukraine - the "apple of discord" will be eaten unambiguously, only immediately or in parts a matter of time. They just won't let her rot. The author naively talks about the close world.
    1. terrible
      terrible 15 November 2014 07: 18
      +1
      The United States needs a new Germany of 1918 - poor, humiliated and embittered !!! and her future is like that of Germany in 1945, a beggar, humiliated and shaking from fear !!!
    2. common man
      common man 15 November 2014 09: 19
      0
      Unfortunately, so far the only country that benefits from all this is the United States. The United States has once again managed to fight Russia with the hands of others. To wage a "hot" war with the hands of Ukrainians and an economic war with the hands of the European Union. And without risking anything.
      In any case, the fate of Ukraine will be unenviable. It is now being pushed hard towards economic collapse. (To arm and fight is of course very good, but also very expensive). They will give her money for the war. and will give a lot. But then they will ask to repay debts, but there is nothing to repay. This is where it begins, for the sake of which everything was started. To recover debts, it will be trite to sell everything that is in demand. Minerals, land, transport infrastructure, etc. And goodbye "nezalezhnaya"
      And a bit more. Strongly disagree with those who equate the communists of 17 years with Bandera 14 years. Soviet power, still civilian, did not end, it was restoring industry, it was already planning the electrification of Russia, organizing reserves, looking for minerals, and much more, in a word I was thinking about the future. What I can not say about modern Ukraine.
  10. Loner_53
    Loner_53 15 November 2014 06: 45
    +5
    And the creation of a federal New Ukraine will allow not only to observe its geopolitical interests in Ukraine, but also to gradually squeeze out American militant puppets from its western part, replacing them with pragmatic European (puppets).
    Put the author of mugs into the Donbass reality, the reality of killed children, starving old people without housing, in horror that the Nazis do in their wilderness and look at his desire to live in a single dill.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 15 November 2014 09: 52
      +1
      federal usraina is no longer a matter of the political agenda. Federal NovoRussia is a different story, but it can arise and expand to the borders of the former Ukrainian SSR only by the offensive of the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation with the support of VoenTorg. Article - "minus". To speak now about "federalization of the usraina" is obvious chants to the tune of the State Department and Geyropa.
  11. saag
    saag 15 November 2014 06: 52
    +3
    To change Ukraine there should appear a dictatorship, well, in general, it was correctly said above that a la the 17th year, otherwise the oligarchy will not allow any changes to appear
  12. Dezinto
    Dezinto 15 November 2014 06: 53
    +6
    Well, did they really live so badly that they took up arms as in some sort of Somali and began to kill their power ????
    Huh?

    Here are now mobilized sitting in the trenches, and even ideological from the Maidan, they will answer the question, guys, was it worth it? Yes, Yanukovych is such a syka ... a thief is a shor, .... guys - but could you wait 365 days, there was just over a year left before the elections, instead of killing yourself, and yours, in the thousands now?

    Well, isn’t there a critical point of view? They can or do not want to look at things objectively?

    Here are those freedom fighters that on the Maidan they were wondering how ,? see the light?



    They dug up a new sea. Sea of ​​corpses.
  13. Semenov
    Semenov 15 November 2014 06: 56
    -1
    "Autonomous Republic of Novorossia" along the former borders with the capital in Kharkov and its own army, industry, educational institutions, ports and border guards. De jure - part of Ukraine, de facto - part of Russia. Economically self-sufficient formation with a corridor to the Crimea and energy supplies. And the "indivisibility" has been preserved, and the EU and Russia are satisfied. Article plus per topic.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 15 November 2014 10: 10
      +2
      and its army, industry, educational institutions, ports and border services.


      This is not a federation, but a confederation. And, I would say that no federation of Ukraine with Novorossia is no longer possible. I will list the reasons.
      1. It is the main thing. Neither the people of Ukraine, nor the people of New Russia will be able to forgive each other. People in Ukraine were brainwashed. Specifically. And they continue to rinse, so that people understand this, it takes more than one year of opposing propaganda. And now, even many mothers in Ukraine have grief, their sons who died in Novorossia. They do not care that they died not for a just cause, that they killed children, women and the elderly. The same thing from the side of New Russia, there is less propaganda, but more real blood. So stitching these two peoples is no longer possible. No way.
      2. If Novorossia, with any sauce, at least legally remains a part of Ukraine, the theme of Crimea will emerge. They will still exaggerate it and will still try to push the return. Does Russia need this?
      3. In Ukraine there is no unity of the oligarchy. Who could expose a person like GDP and instruct him to revive Ukraine. Therefore, the bright images of the revival of Ukraine according to the prescription of Russia zero - this is utopia.
      1. askort154
        askort154 15 November 2014 10: 57
        0
        alicante11 ...... People in Ukraine were brainwashed. Specifically. And they continue to rinse, so that people understand this, it takes more than one year of opposing propaganda.

        Sorry, but you didn’t put it that way. Rinse is cleanse (positive effect)
        and what is happening now with the people of Ukraine is more like the opposite, that is, the brains of the people of Ukraine are clogged up, and this is clearly a negative effect.
  14. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 15 November 2014 07: 32
    +10
    I don’t know what it will be, but now this is how it is
  15. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 15 November 2014 07: 49
    +1
    You just need to make historical parallels. 1945 and 2014 ... ended in Berlin with German fascism, with Ukrainian fascism ends in Kiev, you do not need to call fascism in this territory a certain amount of anger or something similar ... The Russian World has declared war and it goes ... the point of no return is passed and this must be recognized. The Ukrainian project must be closed forever ..
  16. Mantykora
    Mantykora 15 November 2014 07: 50
    +4
    What will the new Ukraine be like? Here the old devil will break a leg, and you are talking about the "new" ... Ukraine is going to its political and territorial death, fulfilling the main slogan of its anthem: "Ukraine has not yet died і glory, і will ..." It seems to me that in the minds of the nebanderites, Ukraine is already dead - it is no longer a state, but a territory. "Zapanuєm i mi, brother, at my side." - this is no longer about Ukraine ...
  17. Orik
    Orik 15 November 2014 08: 05
    0
    The author, instead of defending his native Ukraine, fled to Russia. Now he sits and does not hide what he writes for money.
  18. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 15 November 2014 08: 32
    +2
    In this article, I did not like her unprovenness. Now and in the near future there is not even a hint of a construction not only of the axle, but even of the Berlin-Moscow-Beijing hub. One can argue or agree with the author’s hopes for one or the other. But since nowhere does the author not only not confirm his assumptions with evidence, but also does not give at least a general view of his opinion on how to achieve these goals, the discussion of the article becomes meaningless. I must, however, note that many articles sin this. You can and should set your goals, but to know how to do it?
  19. lav67
    lav67 15 November 2014 09: 18
    0
    Ukraine will be divided into New Russia and Banderlozhnom Somalia.
  20. 1536
    1536 15 November 2014 09: 34
    +2
    Let there be no "new Ukraine"! Pro-ral Ukraine, and now we have to start all over again. The Negro from the United States and the circles that raised him and nurture the villains today have decided to destroy the population on the territory of Ukraine and are trying to achieve this by all means. The United States and the fascists who have settled in the White House must be put in place through economic actions directed against their economy, monetary system, army, ideology and people. Beat them with their own weapons. To beat mercilessly on all "fronts" and territories. That few crooks with US citizenship live and work in Russia? In the States they "catch" ours, so you have to answer them in kind. In Siberia there is enough space for this scum for everyone! And there is no need to talk about spy mania, suspicion, asymmetrical responses. Every American in Russia must be suspect. We were attacked, which means that in order to survive, we must answer.
  21. Koryatovich
    Koryatovich 15 November 2014 09: 35
    +1
    The main reason for the Maidan was the oligarchy that was uncontrollable in its desires and actions (outside the political sphere), whose actions were outraged, and are still outraging ALL (precisely all of them, because Yanukovych was not particularly protected in Ukraine) by the country's inhabitants.

    this is not entirely true. the main reason for the Maidan was Yanukovych, who was uncontrollable in his desires and actions, who was squeezing business in the regions and trying to crush everything for himself and his comrades (mainly Donetsk). by this he wildly opposed the regional elites of most regions, and indeed business in general.
    1. boforss
      boforss 15 November 2014 12: 07
      0
      Yes, in general, even now nothing has changed, just as they are squeezing out the business, there is a division of areas, only the "faces" have changed, and even a war has started. Business will go to hell for many, the country is in huge debts, it will be unknown how to pay. A must to everyone from China to the USA. Sooner or later, debts will be asked ...
  22. Egoza
    Egoza 15 November 2014 09: 39
    +2
    Its representatives should at most remain very wealthy people who not only do not spend the budget, but also pay taxes.

    I would like to hear specific names from the author. Who from the oligarchy of Ukraine will not take away the budget, and moreover pay taxes? Then they will immediately cease to be "very wealthy people."
    I’m afraid that for now we can wait for one more Maidan and the fact that ardent nationalist fascists like the Right Sector will finally seize power.
  23. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 November 2014 10: 12
    0
    Well, firstly, they will not restore anything. For it makes no sense. All the old worked mainly for Russia and the efforts of Russia. Do you think that Russia will offer to restore the old production ties in the future?)) Stupid question ... So when everything is over, it will be a completely different country, in different borders, with different needs . Mostly with the need to just survive. For now, there’s just no point in talking about more.
  24. Abbra
    Abbra 15 November 2014 10: 24
    0
    New Ukraine will consist of four countries. LPR, DPR, zapadentsy, which over time will be picked up by Europe and will not be happy about it, central, led by Kiev, and Odessa with its environs.
  25. fomkin
    fomkin 15 November 2014 10: 26
    0
    Empty article. I know firsthand that the degree of hatred in Ukraine towards us is only growing.
  26. bistrov.
    bistrov. 15 November 2014 10: 28
    +1
    The author floats in pink illusions. Not for that, a coup was launched in Ukraine to establish peace there now. Europe not only supported the anti-constitutional coup, but also took a direct part in it. I don’t think she will back down now. The war in Ukraine will continue.
  27. Stinger
    Stinger 15 November 2014 10: 39
    0
    What, what .... A European, hungry and evil people's democratic republic with cookies in your pocket and European values ​​in your pants.
  28. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 15 November 2014 10: 44
    0
    "There is an elder in the garden, and there is an uncle in Kiev", this is about an article. Why did the author decide that Moscow will not "support the formation of Little Russia in two, let alone eight regions," the author deserves the Order of Psaki, no additions are required.
    1. Koryatovich
      Koryatovich 15 November 2014 11: 24
      +1
      the fact that Moscow did not recognize the results of the elections in the DPR and LPR gives rise to doubt that Moscow "will support the formation of Little Russia in two, let alone eight regions" (whether anyone likes it or not).
      I think you read Ushakov’s statement.
      “The word“ respect ”was specially chosen. We fundamentally respect the expression of the will of those who voted, ”“ respect ”and“ recognize ”these are different words, etc.
  29. Pushkar
    Pushkar 15 November 2014 10: 49
    0
    The article is slurred delusional fantasies. In the foreseeable future, there will be no peace, no single Ukraine.
  30. pts-m
    pts-m 15 November 2014 11: 18
    0
    Stupidity and Stupidity have no antidotes! Only going into oblivion will probably clarify the perception of this state.!
  31. andrew42
    andrew42 15 November 2014 11: 43
    +2
    The article is full of unfounded fantasies. I don’t know how Putin and the Russian oligarchs will be satisfied there, but from the point of view of common sense it’s stupid to “glue” Ukraine back together, and for Russia it is more dear to Russia. I hope Putin's comrades understand that the world financial oligarchy has come "according to their soul", and under the slogan "let's share" he intends to take everything from Smolensk to Vladivostok, from Murmansk to Sochi. If they leave anything to "our" businessmen, then at most Muscovy and its surroundings. And in Ukraine, it's ridiculous to try to reanimate it as a single state, despite the fact that the run-up to parts there goes without much heating from Russia. The "Ukrainian" oligarchs themselves are successfully tearing the country to pieces, overtaking each other in the race, who will fall faster and tighter under the Western colonialists. At this point, as they say, she died so she died. If we not only do not interfere with this "reanimation of the deceased", but also help, then we will get such a duped Nazi Frankenstein that it will not seem a little. Chechnya is more likely to seem like an easy bad dream if an anti-Russian militarized monster is created from the former Ukraine. This is all from the point of view of Russian politicians, and quite reasonable. And now from the point of view of a resident of Donbass (as well as Zaporozhye, Kharkov, Odessa), who does not want to live in a colony of the West with nuclear burial grounds in the neighborhood. The author, who will compensate those sacrifices, blood and tears that the inhabitants of Zhonbass ALREADY brought to the altar of resistance to non-humans who seized power in Kiev? Those who now do not surrender to the punishers are defending both Russia and everyone living in it. Give them to be torn apart by zombie scum? - Something really bad with the author's morality. It's bad in the square. YOURS must be saved. This is akin to picking up relatives (distant, close, it doesn't matter) from the apartment of a drug addict who has set up a gangster den there. From a simple human point of view, it looks like this. And if at the same time you have to get in the face yourself, this is not the problem of those being saved, but the preparedness of the saving one. I don’t know how comfortable it is for the author to pour compote into his mouth upon the news of the deaths of children during the shelling of punitive squadrons, but I’m definitely not enjoying it. Wisely about high politics, one must not forget who and what for the sake of all this politics. So you can start selling your children, as in not so distant centuries, and counting profits, or rather not incurred losses, which were supposedly avoided. Honestly, it’s somehow rotten from such articles on the soul, and the mind also rejects them. In the face of Ukraine, the world's punks have put a knife to the balls of Russia. And therefore Russia has every right to stick this knife in their ass, including the Kiev hohlokrats. The Nazi reptile in the service of the Jidocracy, which has entrenched itself in Kiev, must be crushed. By any available methods. And any policy and "negotiations" can only be a play of the moment.
  32. YGV-97219
    YGV-97219 15 November 2014 12: 10
    +1
    The country "U" should cease to exist. In its place a new state should be formed, or even better to return to the recent past!
  33. silver169
    silver169 15 November 2014 12: 23
    +4
    Ukraine. What will she be like? Looking at what is happening there, it would be better if she did not.
  34. RUSS
    RUSS 15 November 2014 12: 28
    0
    The author specifically "freezes" according to him, the independence of Novorossiya is beneficial and will be supported by the United States! fool

    I would like to ask the author, but what about the American business already aimed at the Donbass ?????
  35. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 15 November 2014 12: 42
    0
    New Ukraine. What will it be
    If it will be, that is already a question, then it is not very large and not large in size. And where in this half-tale oligarchs go?
  36. ando_bor
    ando_bor 15 November 2014 13: 09
    0
    Putin doesn’t need Donbass and even Novorossia, Putin needs all of Ukraine, all to the last millimeter, all without Americans, so this is federalization, with the non-aligned status prescribed in the federal treaty, the almost complete independence of the Southeast, its own security forces, for guarantees.
    America needs to be squeezed out of Ukraine, and why should they leave, they don’t lose people or serious money there, they completely control the elite. - This is the problem, the way out: - either through a full call-pass in Ukraine, or to exchange it with the Americans for something, for cooperation on serious problems, well, they should fly something to the tower specifically, and not some kind of ebola, blah.
  37. DMB-75
    DMB-75 15 November 2014 13: 10
    0
    ... it will no longer be possible to exchange one for the other, New Russia as a state has taken place, the people have spoken! ... Kuevsky fascism will not pass am
  38. Baloo
    Baloo 15 November 2014 13: 13
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    The main enemy of Ukraine is the American spy and the traitor of Ukraine Nalyvaichenko. It was he who created the squads of scum under Yanukovych, he created the "right sector" and Yarosh. As long as he exists, nothing in Ukraine will change for the better, because the leashes of everyone else in the Kuyev junta are in his hands.
    The nation of Ukrainians is demoralized. Some are fooled by fascist propaganda, others are afraid for themselves and their families. They do not have a national leader comparable to Khmelnitsky. Some clones of Mazepa and Bandera.
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 15 November 2014 13: 46
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      The main enemy of Ukraine is Ukoain herself: her mentality, her understanding of herself as a state, her lack of respect, and so on. and so on.
    2. Cristall
      Cristall 16 November 2014 00: 16
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      Quote: Balu
      Some are fooled by fascist propaganda, others are afraid for themselves and their families.

      There is no third?
      We are afraid for ourselves and for families, but because there’s a war going on. This is logical. If you are about the SBU, then they are busy. In general, the main thing for many is to survive as before at the ZP ... they don’t like the war or the consequences of the Maidan .. neither the dolar rate and price.
      and what is "fascist propaganda"? This is the term information war. There is standard propaganda for a United Country and a call to defend it. Fortunately, to protect that is, from whom and from what..all the same Crimea and Donbass happened. It could have been worse.
      Let me remind you that the opinion of not fooled people in Ukraine is all reduced to the fact that you do not want war, but Donbass Ukraine. Not to Crimea yet. But it will also remain Ukraine and legally it will not "sell" it
      Here are some points that many adhere to ..
  39. wirbeln
    wirbeln 15 November 2014 14: 20
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    ! There is no such country as Ukraine - it was invented by Germans, Austrians, nationalists, communists. There was and will be Novorossia, Malorosiya, Krasnaya Rus. Read the story, and do not repeat what you have imagined. The memoirs of the former commander of the German Eastern Front, General Hoffmann (1926) directly stated: “The creation of Ukraine is not the result of the initiative of the Russian people, but the result of the activities of my intelligence.” Such an impression: as soon as the Russians cease to be Russian - they become Ukrainians and vice versa.
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 16 November 2014 00: 19
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      Quote: wirbeln
      New Russia, Malorosia

      these are the terms of the Republic of Ingushetia and even then not for the entire period.
      Even Hetman by name was longer. And Kievan Rus sounds better ... I don't like either Mallorossia or NY. I trust the Soviet methodology more than the royal or princely or hetman’s.
  40. Straight
    Straight 15 November 2014 15: 36
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    For a long time already, Ukrainians (even when they were still called Russians) did not have such blood enemies that they raised with their own hands in the Donbass. So in the long term there may be a war of extermination and motivation for Donbass to have more. It turns out that if Russia intervened as in the Crimea, it would be better for everyone, for everyone ...
  41. EvilLion
    EvilLion 15 November 2014 16: 26
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    She just won't be there. The perverted chimera should disappear.
  42. Queen Mother
    Queen Mother 15 November 2014 17: 51
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    Neither peace nor war
    http://amfora.livejournal.com/146253.html
  43. Andrey Draganov
    Andrey Draganov 15 November 2014 18: 40
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    It will never be this nasty country.
  44. Queen Mother
    Queen Mother 15 November 2014 18: 57
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    Quote: Queen Mother
    Neither peace nor war
    http://amfora.livejournal.com/146253.html

    Therefore, if the Ukrainian troops are shelling Donetsk - it means that someone needs not only in Kiev, but also in the Kremlin. And do not think that Russia has no way to push the Ukrainian artillery ten kilometers into the fields with its own or those of others.

    If in Donetsk during the truce 300 or 500 people died - it means that someone needed it. And not only in Kiev.

    And if a part of the population of Donbass is sitting without bread, without light, without water, it means that this is also beneficial for someone. And not only from the Ukrainian side.

    And if a delicate balance is maintained between war and peace, if during two months neither the cup of peace nor the cup of war can finally completely outweigh, then it is necessary for someone in Moscow to have just that.

    And as long as someone in Moscow earns money on this situation, political points or money — it does not matter — until then there will be no peace or war in the south-east of Ukraine.
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 16 November 2014 00: 22
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      Quote: Queen Mother
      And while in Moscow someone makes money on this situation, political points or money - it doesn’t matter - until then in the south-east of Ukraine there will be neither peace nor war

      I agree. Since the Russian Federation is one of the key parties to the conflict, the key can be buried there. It is naive to believe that Moscow does not steer many processes, but only malicious Washington is intriguing here.
      One of the possible versions is the smoldering conflict drains Ukraine and does not allow to engage in Crimea. At the same time, it hinders the cultivation of Ukraine and undermines the economy.
  45. smith7
    smith7 16 November 2014 00: 28
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    Do not share the skin of a dead bear, gentlemen! What do you know about that skin? You can subject the entire flow of information to a system analysis, but the accuracy of the conclusions leaves much to be desired ...