Ukrainian "Bastion" turned out worse than the Georgian ZCRS-122

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In August, it became known that the Bastion salvo-fire systems, which are a further development of the Soviet “Grad” installation, should come into service with the Ukrainian army, writes Dmitry Lemeshko in his article posted on the agency’s website Messenger of Mordovia.

According to Lemeshko, the Bastion system, which is called by the Ukrainian developers the newest weapons, in a number of characteristics inferior to the earlier Georgian complex ZCRS-122.

Ukrainian "Bastion" turned out worse than the Georgian ZCRS-122

"Bastion-01"

“It was assumed that two modifications would go to the troops at once:“ Bastion-01 ”and“ Bastion-02 ”. The second version of the machine is different in that on an extended base additional ammunition from 40 rockets will be transported. This, according to the developers, will significantly reduce the reloading time, ”the author writes.




On both versions, KrAZ-6322 is used instead of Ural cars. The stated range of the installations is up to 40 km, which is 2 times as large as the BM-21.

According to the author, “the exact same base, in the form of KrAZ-6322, was used by the specialists of the Georgian military science and technology center Delta when creating their version of the multiple launch rocket system, designated ZCRS-122”. It also has a package with 40 guides. The machine is equipped with an automated guidance system and fire control and modern means of communication of the NATO standard. According to the characteristics, “the salvo time is 20 seconds, the maximum speed is up to 80 km / h, the cruising range is up to 500 km”.




According to the author, the main advantage of the Georgian machine is that it is “equipped with an armored cabin, in which the calculation of the 5 people is placed.” Booking MLRS designs is not something new and unexplored, "a number of machines have long received enhanced protection from bullets and shrapnel, which can significantly reduce the loss of gunners from enemy fire in combat positions and when making marches," Lemeshko said. However, the Ukrainian designers to this idea does not seem to have matured. Therefore, factory craftsmen always find work. They install artisanal protection on the BM-21 and, apparently, will continue to install it on the latest "Bastions".


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  1. +17
    14 November 2014 18: 17
    Glory to Urine! Glory to the armor!

    In such a car, a knight in armor and a helmet should sit

    An elven shield should lie on his knees and spurs should be on his boots
    1. +24
      14 November 2014 18: 18
      14.11.14/16/34 XNUMX:XNUMX Moscow time Message from the residents of Kirovskoye (DPR)

      "Kirovskoe (DPR): As a result of a daytime clash in Novoorlovka, an armored personnel carrier of the National Guard was hit. There are casualties among the Armed Forces of Ukraine. There is a noticeable lull in the city and on the outskirts. The tension has eased, but as practice shows: we have a weekend with" music. " will be good".

      14.11.14/17/12 XNUMX:XNUMX Summary from the militia Prokhorov

      “There was too optimistic information about Avdiivka - after the morning attack (with the victims at the dill), there was no continuation in the afternoon. Well, how can the increase in the purchase of toilet paper by dill parts and collaborators in the city be considered a result?

      Also, a dill post near the village of Makarovo and the village was laid nearby. Valuyskoye (there dill directly in the village settled) - this is northeast of Stanitsa-Lugansk

      In sec. The lower-warm (this is northeast of the city of Happiness) also covered the ukrov checkpoint - so far it is known about 1 seriously wounded dill (probably more)

      At lunch, they covered the base of dill near Stanitsa-Lugansk near the village. Valuyskoye in the camp site

      Near Debaltseve to the north of the city - artillery strikes. "

      14.11.14/18/11 XNUMX:XNUMX Message from the militia

      "At about 18-00 (Moscow time), the Ukrainian Armed Forces dealt a very powerful blow to the area of ​​Donetsk Airport, including incendiary mines. There is also information that at the same time the Armed Forces began shelling Gorlovka from the direction of Uglegorsk."

      "The armored personnel carrier of the Ukrainian punishers is driving across the battlefield in Sands and explodes to smithereens at full speed."
      1. +14
        14 November 2014 18: 20
        Tin of course, now during the conflict there are more victims than in almost 10 years of Afghanistan.

        The worst thing is that there are no less stubborn ones, the censor directly trumpets victories over the Horde
        1. GRANATE-19
          +5
          14 November 2014 22: 01
          here is a picture of banderwafen
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        3. +2
          14 November 2014 22: 05
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          Tin of course, now during the conflict there are more victims than in almost 10 years of Afghanistan.

          15 031 people of irreparable losses ...
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      3. news
        +4
        14 November 2014 18: 20
        Russian authorities are preparing for a possible expansion of the sanctions imposed against Russia, including the introduction by the West of restrictions on gas and oil exports, said Russian Minister of Economic Development Alexei Ulyukaev.

        “I do not think that sanctions against Russia will be toughened, but we have provided for such an opportunity in some of our forecasts. We are working on a scenario of a possible restriction of Russian gas and oil exports, ”the minister said in an interview with the BBC Russian Service.

        An accurate forecast of oil prices in the long term, Ulyukaev considers it almost impossible, but believes that oil prices will calm down, finding a new equilibrium.

        “Over the past 10 years it has been 100+, that is, a little more than $ 100 per barrel with some fluctuations. I think that the new equilibrium will be at the level of 100-, that is, slightly less than $ 100 per barrel, but I do not expect any dramatic decline, ”the head of the Ministry of Economic Development explained.

        Ulyukaev emphasized that the federal budget of the Russian Federation will not be seriously affected by lower oil prices, since in this case the ruble exchange rate will decrease and losses will be covered by an influx of additional ruble income. At the same time, the decline in oil prices, according to the minister, can seriously affect ordinary citizens and companies.
      4. +5
        14 November 2014 18: 21
        !!!!!!!!!!!! so their bitch !!! 1
      5. 0
        14 November 2014 18: 21
        !!!!!!!!!!!! so their bitch !!! 1
      6. +3
        14 November 2014 18: 30
        It burns well!
      7. +4
        14 November 2014 18: 55
        In the car, the same guides, only different cars, then this is slightly worse than on ZIL. I don’t know how Kraz had it, but the ZIL had excellent cross-country ability and this was where the advantages ended.
    2. +3
      14 November 2014 18: 42
      An elven shield should lie on his knees and spurs should be on his boots
      And between the legs hang a mace !!!
    3. Natalia
      +2
      14 November 2014 18: 42
      Quote: s-t Petrov
      Glory to Urine!

      Petya to Ukraine!
      1. +6
        14 November 2014 18: 51
        Quote: Natalia
        Petya to Ukraine!

        Is Petya the same? feel laughing Hi love
    4. Denis fj
      +1
      14 November 2014 18: 48
      I will refrain from speculations about the missile part, much is not clear, but replacing the chassis under the BM21 from the "Ural" with the KrAZ, it seems to me not entirely successful (it is clear that it was a forced) decision. the car becomes heavier, "larger", and therefore loses in mobility, and maneuverability in comparison with the "Ural" is worse. Most of the shortcomings could be neglected (within the subdivision) on "Bastion-2", but here some half measures. Why the second set of rounds is transported in bulk, and not in a transport-loading mechanism? With the provision of at least fragmentation protection? A cab with a "sleeper" is not much shorter than a "two-row", and the ability to transport the entire crew in relatively comfortable conditions on one car is expensive. At the same time, the transfer of the "hurricane" to an all-road chassis, it seems to me, is an extremely timely, successful decision , because it significantly increases mobility and reliability, given that even the "repair fund" of Russia is not able to maintain the ZIL-135 in good working order (only in working order). At the same time, foreign "operators" are considering replacing individual units of the original chassis with analogues, which is not fully a solution to the issue. In this regard, I think Bastion-3 is an extremely promising machine on the foreign market.
      1. +3
        14 November 2014 19: 12
        Quote: denis fj
        I will refrain from speculations about the missile part, much is not clear, but replacing the chassis under the BM21 from the "Ural" with the KrAZ, it seems to me not entirely successful (it is clear that it was a forced) decision. the car becomes heavier, "larger", and therefore loses in mobility, and maneuverability in comparison with the "Ural"
        It’s just that the Ukranian rationalizers were instructed to install the Grad on affordable chassis (Urals must be bought in Russia) So they adapt the various available chassis in t. hours long-base.
    5. +8
      14 November 2014 18: 56
      Here he is the glorious warrior of Ukraine. This miracle hippo has been made for him.
      1. edouard
        +3
        14 November 2014 21: 07
        He would still be depicted in a blue-blue color
      2. +1
        14 November 2014 23: 24
        Sharikov reincarnation? :-)
    6. +3
      14 November 2014 19: 02
      a little bit - this is not enough for the National Guard - the conscience of the mind of honor of memory
      1. +5
        14 November 2014 19: 21
        IMHO crazy dill in the movie seen enough of "crazy max" The equipment is obviously equipped based on this movie. But they haven't grown to Hollywood yet. laughing Compare and find 10 differences (2 top photos from the movie)
        :
    7. edouard
      +1
      14 November 2014 21: 03
      Some nonsense
    8. +2
      14 November 2014 21: 52
      But the original was and is better.
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    11. GRANATE-19
      +4
      14 November 2014 21: 58
      Quote: s-t Petrov
      Glory to Urine! Glory to the armor!

      Glory to Urena!
      Glory to cuirasses!


    12. 0
      16 November 2014 00: 02
      helmet - in the ass, spurs - in the ears and ringlets with chains between the nose and horseradish of the owner. so as not to get lost.
  2. news
    +6
    14 November 2014 18: 17
    Yes, it makes sense to give them such a technique? the war will begin, all good things will be scattered and they will run to save their buttocks) they can only naughty from long distances in kindergartens, schools, and houses of high-rise buildings. in old people and in women. under a drug dose.
  3. +7
    14 November 2014 18: 20
    Nothing dill army will not help. The APU has no chance to relieve itself. And dill as a country has no future.
  4. +13
    14 November 2014 18: 20
    but I don’t understand how it is possible to modernize the city without creating a new rocket; the main thing there
    1. +5
      14 November 2014 18: 38
      [quotea I don’t understand how it is possible to upgrade a hail without creating a new rocket; the main thing there]

      Do not stop the generals from making money laughing
  • +2
    14 November 2014 18: 47
    It’s hard to change without changing anything, but we will!
    (c) M. Zhvanetsky
    1. edouard
      +1
      14 November 2014 21: 08
      That's why we dill
  • +3
    14 November 2014 18: 21
    The second version of the machine is distinguished by the fact that an extra ammunition load from 40 rockets will be transported on an extended base. This, according to the developers, will significantly reduce the reload time "
    If not right, then correct me. As far as I know, the transport of loaded shells is not allowed. And if you put the second set, then it will explode better. Photos below look like from "mad max" or from stalker.
    1. +3
      14 November 2014 18: 46
      Quote: NDR-791
      As far as I know, the transportation of shells in a charged form is not allowed.

      Allowed. Not only that, MLRS must be charged continuously. Otherwise, the reaction time will be too long.

      According to the second set of missiles, in this form it does not make sense. Anyway, you can’t charge on the OP.

      Moreover, even here they managed to do everything wrong. The Belarusian version with a central aisle is much more convenient and safer - you won’t fly off the platform

      In general, this is all a miserable likeness of the Czech RM-70. There, the package is charged simultaneously with a hydraulic device.
  • news
    +1
    14 November 2014 18: 23


    that’s with whom the fascists dill fight. the only way. on melee piss go go drug addicts stoned
    1. edouard
      0
      14 November 2014 21: 09
      Strange but for some reason still alive
  • +1
    14 November 2014 18: 25
    Another handicraft. Soon slide down to bows, spears and sticks!
  • 0
    14 November 2014 18: 27
    I also watched the movie "The Expendables"! laughing laughing
    They had a similar machine there.
  • +1
    14 November 2014 18: 27
    I didn’t understand what the author wanted to say in Russia, too, there weren’t any armored cities, so Russian designers didn’t have enough minds, then mine already goes crazy in its own way, especially since the firing range is the same.
    1. 0
      14 November 2014 18: 39
      In Russia there are armored pinocchio smile
    2. 0
      14 November 2014 18: 53
      Quote: activator
      especially since the firing range is the same.

      Are you sure?
      1. 0
        14 November 2014 19: 14
        [quote = i80186] Russia has armored pinocchio smile[/ quoteЯ
        I understand what the difference between them is, you are not aware.
        [quote = Shovels] Are you sure? [/ quote]
        [quote = Shovels] Are you sure? [/ quote]
        According to the stated characteristics, the firing range of the bastion is 40 km ZCRS 40 km the Russian tornado is also mine 40 km all the info from net I in practice did not measure xs with roulette just like you did.
        1. 0
          14 November 2014 19: 29
          Quote: activator
          Russian tornado also mine 40 km

          In your opinion-40, in real life 90 with a penny. New missiles with an inertial control system, as on the Smerch missiles. Actually, it is for them that the Tornado-G has an induction input system for installations.
          1. 0
            14 November 2014 19: 51
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: activator
            Russian tornado also mine 40 km

            In your opinion-40, in real life 90 with a penny. New missiles with an inertial control system, as on the Smerch missiles. Actually, it is for them that the Tornado-G has an induction input system for installations.

            I agree, if you believe the same wiki, even 100 km with new shells, although there are no characteristics of new ammunition there. But the article compares the bastion and zcrs, and they have the same range. As for the tornado, I wrote (to mine) and even went through infa about 40 km.
            1. 0
              14 November 2014 20: 39
              It's just that Tornado-G is capable of using all 122mm RS. Including those shooting at 40 km.

              But Georgia and Ukraine do not produce RS. Accordingly, for shooting at 40 km they will have to be purchased, such ranges are not available to Soviet stocks.

              Now compared to the "Bastion" and the ZCRS-122. Neither one nor the second machine is a modern MLRS.
              1. 0
                14 November 2014 21: 06
                Quote: Spade
                But Georgia and Ukraine do not produce RS. Accordingly, for shooting at 40 km they will have to be purchased, such ranges are not available to Soviet stocks.

                I don’t know if they produce it or not, but the truth was developed for BM 21 K: the development of the KHMB and the development of the ammunition for NPO Petrovsky with a range of up to 40 km.
                Quote: Spade
                Now compared to the "Bastion" and the ZCRS-122. Neither one nor the second machine is a modern MLRS.

                But what do you think they are?
                1. 0
                  14 November 2014 21: 33
                  Quote: activator
                  I don’t know if they produce it or not, but the truth was developed for BM 21 K: the development of the KHMB and the development of the ammunition for NPO Petrovsky with a range of up to 40 km.

                  Freshly giving ... Never making RS make such a leap in range and, most importantly, exactly ... Weakly believe it.


                  Quote: activator
                  But what do you think they are?

                  Aging. Like a BM-21.
                  1. 0
                    14 November 2014 22: 29
                    Quote: Spade
                    Freshly giving ... Never making RS make such a leap in range and, most importantly, exactly ... Weakly believe it.

                    Quote: Spade
                    Freshly giving ... Never making RS make such a leap in range and, most importantly, exactly ... Weakly believe it.

                    Yes, I guess I believe I don’t believe they will appear in the Donbas, then it will be seen, if they do, of course, because we have a stronghold too, it’s even in service, and in Thailand there are more of them than APU or rather they do not exist in the APU.
                    Quote: Spade
                    Aging. Like a BM-21.

                    Well, if 40 km is not so bad.
                    Yes, now I’m looking at a black mirror of Yevgeny Kiselyov, and so they are seriously discussing the possibility of using Iskander complexes by Russia and how Glazyev recommended Putin to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine. In general, I’m out!
          2. edouard
            0
            14 November 2014 21: 11
            It’s impressive, like in New Russia
            1. 0
              14 November 2014 21: 47
              Generally, Ukrainian security officials complained that they had used Tornado-G on them.
  • news
    0
    14 November 2014 18: 29
    http://news.rambler.ru/27886476/

    In New Zealand, German Chancellor Angela Merkel was "embarrassed" by a meeting in the traditions of the Maori people, writes The Daily Mail. For any official or celebrity who is coming to this country for the first time, the traditional greeting “Hong” can be difficult or rather “frightening” moment, the newspaper notes. The Maori people, when greeting, rub their noses instead of a kiss.
  • 0
    14 November 2014 18: 34
    Very reminiscent of the cartoon Kiddo –– super-truck.
  • +1
    14 November 2014 18: 36
    Gentlemen, I apologize wildly for the quietness. Behold democracy. Vatican. Today.



    Z.Y. And these people still want in the EU Yes
    1. edouard
      0
      14 November 2014 21: 13
      And why the skirts are a mess
  • Drunya
    +2
    14 November 2014 18: 44
    Literally two minutes after the start of the provocative action, policemen ran up to Femen, who forced the girls away from the square.
  • 0
    14 November 2014 18: 46
    The city must shoot and roll. Armor is not a lot.
    1. 0
      14 November 2014 18: 59
      No, armor is needed.
  • Drunya
    +1
    14 November 2014 18: 49
    By the end of 2014, the Strategic Missile Forces will put 16 "Yars" on alert
    The Strategic Missile Forces will put 16 Yars missile systems on alert by the end of the year, said the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces Colonel-General Sergei Karakaev on Friday.
    The Colonel General spoke at an expanded meeting of the Strategic Missile Forces Military Council, held on November 14, 2014 in Vlasikha near Moscow. "As part of the creation of a promising grouping by the end of the year, it is planned to put 16 launchers of the Yars missile system on alert," Karakaev said.
    Summing up the results of the 2014 academic year, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces noted that all combat training activities were carried out in full. Among the main tactical and technical characteristics of the RK Yars are intercontinental range, equipping with a multiple warhead with maneuvering individual targeting units, the highest maneuverability and, as a result, increased survivability, RIA Novosti reports.

    completely here - http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/rvsn/do_kontsa_2014_goda_rvsn_postavit_16_yarsov_na
    _boevoe_dezhurstvo_ /
    1. 0
      14 November 2014 19: 57
      oh how would you like to, just what is 16? Rocketeers will not understand! 3, 6, 9, etc., and 16 is a digit from the bold!
      Rather, 16 is from the sailors!
  • news
    -2
    14 November 2014 18: 53
    What is the technology to give them? dill Bandera there roosting among themselves. as I saw, a video where women’s panties were found in soldier’s tent when they left their good on the battlefield while retreating from fear. I don’t know, they wore women's panties and engaged in homosexuality. or jerking off on the panties of their wives on the battlefield. here is their war. drochery
  • -1
    14 November 2014 18: 55
    “It was assumed that two modifications would go to the troops at once: Bastion-01 and Bastion-02. The second version of the vehicle differs in that an additional ammunition load of 40 rockets will be transported on an extended base. This, as conceived by the developers, will significantly reduce the reload time "

    What is the difference with what to charge: from a transport vehicle, from the ground, or from the installation itself, the whole process is all the same - manually. And when a reciprocal position is covered by fire or fire on the march, the PU is guaranteed to fly into the air, pulling the whole battery along with it to that light.
    On both versions, instead of Ural vehicles, the KrAZ-6322 is used

    Everything is simpler here, they removed the launchers from the chassis of the ancient, decayed, still gasoline "Ural-375" from the storage bases and stuck them on the only suitable KRAZs available (probably requisitioned from those produced under a contract for some Africans). So it turned out to be a wunderwaffle. True, the number is hardly more than two exhibited copies.
  • 0
    14 November 2014 18: 59
    The third photo from above is generally carcasses of light, not only are the missiles just lying around, i.e. bullets or splinters during counter-shelling all this economy will explode, so it lost in patency due to lengthening, so also in the box where the tank contains two needles, i.e. in those places where dofiga of mud will be in spring and autumn, and when driving on bumps, the truck will straighten them down the hill ...


    When they declared that this city would be with a quick reload system, I could not even think that the whole system would be stacked rockets tied up with a screed ... Well, I naively thought that there would be a system like on ships, like in the middle is a protected casing with missiles, and an automatic feeder, i.e. the guides were fired, then turned to the warehouse, from there the missiles were automatically loaded into the guides immediately after half a minute from the container, and the guides turned again in the right direction, and at this time the loader loads the container with the missiles instead of the empty one, and you can immediately load 2-3 container ... And here it is, I just precipitated, Ukraine will not save anything ...
  • -1
    14 November 2014 19: 17
    Quote: c-Petrov
    Glory to Urine! Glory to the armor!

    In such a car, a knight in armor and a helmet should sit

    An elven shield should lie on his knees and spurs should be on his boots

    In what you are right. Tolkien wrote that the orcs came from elves who had been tormented for a long time. It may well be that some still have elven shields. Although in 23 years of torment, the shields were supposed to rust.
  • 0
    14 November 2014 19: 20
    Off topic.
    Mikhail Leontyev, in his program "However," provided evidence that the Boeing was shot down by a MiG-29 fighter.

    “At the disposal of the First Channel was a sensational picture, supposedly taken by a foreign spy satellite in the last seconds of the flight of the Malaysian Boeing over Ukraine.

    Back in August, the Russian Union of Engineers published its report on the possible causes of the catastrophe, which then became widely spread in the media and the Internet. The experts carried out a detailed analysis of all available information from all sources, made technical calculations and worked out versions of the causes of Boeing’s death.

    Experts' conclusion: the only technically possible version is the defeat of a Malaysian airliner with the help of a rocket-cannon armament of another aircraft. We draw attention to one point in the report - the absence of any reliable evidence of the launch of ground-to-air missiles. The “Buk” launch is accompanied by a cloud of fire, a deafening roar, audible in a radius of up to 10 kilometers, and an inversion track, which is clearly observed in the sky for up to 10 minutes.

    In short, there was most likely no “Buk”, no launch from the ground. In the presence of dozens of professional observers from all sides and thousands of non-professional in the disaster area, no one has seen or recorded it. And the planes saw and fixed. And these were definitely not Russian planes. The arguments of the experts were heard, the report was translated into English and German on the Internet.

    "At the same time, we began to receive a large amount of information, among which there was a different material, engineering calculations, and ultimately the 12 number we received this one," said Ivan Andrievsky, First Vice President of the Russian Union of Engineers.

    "I completely agree with the results of your analysis of the causes of the Boeing's death," writes a man who introduced himself as an MIT graduate, an aeronautical expert with twenty years of experience, George Bilt. "The Boeing was shot down by a pursuing jet fighter. First, the crew was fired upon from a cannon, then the cockpit was hit an air-to-air missile, then the right engine and right wing were hit by a thermal homing missile. "

    The photograph, which clearly shows the launch of the rocket from under the left wing of the fighter jet directly into the cockpit, was attached to the email. In terms of terrain, weather conditions, and the dimensions of the aircraft, the picture fully corresponds to the circumstances of the disaster.
    http://www.1tv.ru/news/leontiev/271824
  • -1
    14 November 2014 19: 34
    Please explain what is the third photo in the container below? MANPADS?
    1. 0
      14 November 2014 19: 39
      Please explain what is the third photo in the container below? MANPADS?

      Looks like Needles or Arrows ... Well, I think most likely these are dummies, like Ukraine itself ...
  • -1
    14 November 2014 19: 49
    The lineup is not entirely successful. So you can have ammunition for the second salvo on the machine, but when firing it must be unloaded. Especially if the firing plane will be firing above the cockpit. This is the first.
    Secondly. The installation on the back of the package is recharged. So you have to carry ammunition. And if you bring ammunition on a transport-loading machine, you just need to drive up the back side to the package.
    Thirdly. One shell weighs about 66 kg. So the car has become heavier by almost 3 tons. And this is a loss of speed and maneuverability.
    Fourth. If the machine is hit, then the additional presence of ammunition on it will lead to its complete destruction.
    Fifth. The sub-space was intended for transportation of the calculation. And now where will they be located?
    So far so. But for dill, this is normal. The main thing is thicker, heavier and wider, just like fat shmat.
  • 0
    14 November 2014 20: 06
    What do not try to make wokra with laurushki, it turns out either khachapuri or fat.
  • 0
    14 November 2014 20: 34
    The latest and top secret (shhhh ... Russia can overhear ...) development of these, I’m not afraid of the word, geniuses of military thought, is a self-propelled super-slingshot of an increased caliber (see picture). Now this is serious! Russia doesn’t even have means to counter this weapon, because it is insensitive to electronic interference and provides virtually silent shooting (throwing). This development opens a new page in modern slingshot! Further improvement of the formidable weapon is planned to be carried out along the path of increasing the firing range (throwing), equipping the self-propelled gun with modern optical sights (including for night throwing), targeting tools using high-precision GPS navigation systems, the use of camouflage means to hide launcher guides (both guides are masked by plastic branches fixed on them, flowers, cones, which makes them inconspicuous among the trees). To mask the installation in conditions of flat terrain, the slingshot launcher will be folding (in the stowed position both guides of the launch system will be moved to the horizontal position using a hydraulic drive).
    As ammunition, not only single stones are considered, but also heaps of stones, as well as dung (the latter is especially unpleasant for the enemy’s manpower ...).
    The production of these units for equipping them with a special-purpose division is planned at the end of 2014 (if there is gas in the production ...).
    So the new Minister of Defense, Comrade (or pan already?) Chetvertak South-North can be sure - the country is under reliable protection! Sleep well, dear Ukray! Amen...
  • 0
    14 November 2014 20: 45
    How can Ukrainian "Grad" be worse than the original? They stupidly rearranged the guides from the "Ural" ...
  • -1
    14 November 2014 23: 42
    export option in connection with the embargo of Russia on the import of fat from Ukraine