In the program "Rise" Sergey Dorenko talked with the ex-Minister of Defense of the DPR Igor Strelkov
S.DORENKO: 10 hours 6 minutes. “I see, Igor Ivanovich,” Zakat writes, “Shooters are with us.” Igor Strelkov is the most famous and favorite of the audience. Well? Go. Guys, write now. I warned, do not write me questions to Igor Strelkov in advance. Do not write, no. Wrote 50 questions. They all went to hell, down the tape, I will never find them. Now write. Now write, I'll see them. A question to Strelkov: “Why is the airport in Donetsk so important?”. “You were always sure that you took the right path. There was not even the slightest feeling that you are making or making mistakes, ”writes Alexander. And so on. Fifty questions. Let's start with this moral. I'll just read it. Igor Ivanovich, hello. Pleased to welcome. The question sounds like this. It is delicate, but there may be some kind of reproach. Have you always felt that everything you do for the sake of New Russia is the right way? There was not even a small feeling that something could be wrong?
I. STRELKOV: A very difficult question. Answer it is definitely quite difficult. What can I say? In general, I am sure that, despite all the consequences of the actions I have done ... Let's say that, I was not alone, of course. Despite all these consequences, I am sure that we were and are on the right track. The question is only how it will be implemented, how our actions will be used in the future.
S.DORENKO: You said that there was a bridge to the north to Slavyansk and this bridge, it was pitiful all the time, as if you had plans for this bridge that help would come from there. In the end, this bridge was blown up. Is this one of the big disappointments? After all, you evaluated the situation in such a way that you need to hold out for a while and that's all, but it turned out that it was not.
I. STRELKOV: Naturally, when we came to Slavyansk, we were by no means counting on such a long war, on such great sacrifices among the local population and on such indecisive behavior of Moscow. After the Crimea, we had euphoria. The real euphoria in terms of the fact that Russia has finally begun to return to its historical the path is the one that was intended for her, traditional for her. And we expected that the same thing would happen in New Russia. In principle, we had reason to count on this.
S. DORENKO: And how did you see the outlines of this New Russia? Because from the experience of any Russian person knows, having dealt with Ukraine, that from Odessa to, say, Kakhovka, Kherson, Dnepropetrovsk, to Kharkov, so winding, we see people like us, not entirely aliens. That is, people with whom it is pleasant to talk. At the same time, I would see the outlines of this Novorossia as follows: from Kharkov to Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, and then here, to Odessa, through Nikolaev. Did you see also, or did you see in the smaller volume this New Russia at the very beginning?
I. Strelkov: At the very beginning, I generally saw the situation in such a way that Novorossia would be just the first step towards the liberation of Kiev, towards the reunification of Russia and Ukraine into a single Slavic state.
S.DORENKO: Why are they different? We are watching with surprise on YouTube how children are dancing, moreover in the center of Ukraine, dancing with abusive cries, with hatred, with such happy hatred for Russia. What is it? What happened to them?
I. Strelkov: I remember that during my military service in the army there was an episode where my then “grandfathers”, as they used to say, got drunk, just died, to the state of nest, and at night in the barracks they turned on heavy music (I didn’t even I know how it is really called something like a heavy metal) and tried to dance to it. That is, it was absolutely monkey antics, wild horse racing, people did not understand what they were doing. Just did not think. That's when I look at the antics that occur in Ukraine, and I actually witnessed it with my own eyes when I visited Maidan and Grushevsky for excursion purposes, here's one to one.
S. DORENKO: Did you go before the February events?
I. Strelkov: Yes, when I ensured the safety of bringing the gifts of the Magi to the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra. Accordingly, I carved out a couple of hours to visit the Maidan, to visit Grushevsky.
S.DORENKO: Clouding of consciousness and I am watching. But, by your assessment, will these people, whose consciousness is clouded, return back to health, as we understand it, or to health, as the United States Department of State understands it?
I. Arrows: I understand that a nervous breakdown is completely free to heal, and sometimes it leads to severe brain damage.
S. DORENKO: And if we lost a generation? Let me ... We discussed this with the audience. Look, there is a veteran grandfather, war veteran, or great-grandfather. There is a father, zaturkanny, some ordinary things, ordinary, there, there, water in the country, well, ordinary, the garage is something there, the water went, something else. Father once. And there are children who were stolen through false textbooks. They were stolen. Children stolen. And so this is not a clouding of consciousness, is it a permanently stolen nation? Will they never be brothers again? It's right?
I. Arrows: No, this is not true.
S. DORENKO: Is that wrong?
I. Strelkov: I believe that with properly built propaganda, or rather even counter-propaganda in our conditions, with certain achievements of certain social justice, to which people always pay attention, with a clear and truthful first of all, the authorities can cure it it will be inevitable in 80-90 percent of cases.
S.DORENKO: People in the Donbas. People in the Donbass that you encountered, people in the Donbass who turned out to be marginalized, bandits, did they disappoint you? Because the Donbassians are also very different, there are sincere people, sincerely for the Russian world, there are people for convenience, who are ... just material, and there are also gangs, gangs of bandits, who suddenly also ... Now we have some villains who have shot DPS , patrol, from there.
I. Arrows: I am aware of the situation.
S. DORENKO: Yes. Can you outline the people of Donbass? Say, what are they in percentage, quite approximately? What are they?
I. Arrows: I will not estimate at any percentage, it will be an absolutely artificial construction. The only thing that I can say is that I have had enough experience, yet I served in the bodies for a long time and traveled around the country, looked, I had no illusions, so I did not have disappointments. In general, I think that, as strange as it sounds to many listeners, I met more people in the Donbass who were ready to stand up for Russia, for the Russian idea, for the Russian people, than it was in Crimea. For one reason, the “green men” did everything in the Crimea. And the locals had, if I may say so, maybe the wrong word on dancers.
I. ARROWS: This does not exclude the fact that there were both heroes and people standing up, but in the Donbass people had to take a blow, namely a blow, an armed blow. And they continue to hold him and hold him for Russia by no means, and not for some Donetsk People’s Republic there.
S.DORENKO: For Russia?
I. Arrows: Yes, for Russia.
S. DORENKO: Are you coming back there? Formally, you keep the position ...
I. Strelkov: No, of course, I do not save the position, because by the time of formation of the army, that is, the formation of partisan detachments, there was no army as such, that is, I was not enrolled there by order, respectively, I cannot be deducted from there. That is, I am retired and my return there is almost impossible due to the fact that at present the political leadership of the republic does not want this.
S. DORENKO: Not willing. And you can reveal why? Are you a competitor?
I. Arrows: I will still try to evade your question, primarily because the answer to it can be negatively used by our opponents.
S.DORENKO: Against the case. Bezler, Zakharchenko, the Brain ... I personally saw the Brain on Channel One, now he is somehow trying to convince this peaceful life in Gorlovka, there, you know, now the rapist ...
I. Arrows: Brainstorm is not in Gorlovka.
S. DORENKO: Excuse me, I could ... He's punishing a rapist in Alchevsk now. Sorry, I was wrong. So, Bezler, Gubarev, Brainstorming, Zakharchenko - it seems that they are all bright people, bright people really. Each one is very strong internally. But did this become such an African, a combination of some tribal leaders, strong men, such strong men, who each with their own small group, team, if you like, gang, if you like, do not want to agree on any processes of unity. You do not have this feeling?
I. Arrows: I would like to put a few accents a little differently. As I said at the beginning, as you actually asked me, we expected that the Crimean scenario would be repeated, respectively. And the people who came to the referendum in May, they did not vote for the creation of some separatist republics, they voted for entry into Russia. They feel that they are Russian people, and this is Russian people, regardless of the fact that one of them is of Ukrainian origin, someone directly has ancestors in Russia, someone is local, Donetsk with many generations. They voted for Russia. Accordingly, the situation that has developed there, about which you speak, about tribalism, about certain tribal formations, is all a consequence of the fact that the expectations were not met. The expectations of the people were not met. And people found themselves in a situation they did not expect. Naturally, in this situation, especially the situation is very difficult, exceptionally difficult in humanitarian terms, and in the military too difficult, they naturally look for a way to survive. But they do not have the experience to create everything from scratch. From here these are all excesses. With the proper formulation of the question, in the first place, I emphasize that from Russia, all this can be quickly and very quickly put in order.
S. DORENKO: Even today? Do you think still? Or was it possible in April-May?
I. Strelkov: The fact is that in April-May this could be done almost without blood.
S. DORENKO: Here.
I. Arrows: And without any damage. And now this is not what is possible, it is just necessary. And the question of the victims does not play a role, because the victims will be more, more, more and more, the number of victims will increase, the amount of destruction will increase, the war will continue, no matter how hard they try to shut up ...
S.DORENKO: That is, Russia must enter by military force?
I. Arrows: I am sure that this is the only way out.
S.DORENKO: Russia must enter with military force - 134-21-35, yes. 134-21-36 - no. Let's try to ask the audience, this is not a scientific approach. We are listened to tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people who instantly say now. This is not a sample, not a sociology, this is a bullshit, nonetheless interesting. Russia must enter the Donbass with a military force, otherwise there will be much more victims, these victims will increase, yes - 134-21-35. No - 134-21-36. It seems that the matter is not going to lean now; it seems that things are different. Now I have 58 on 42 immediately, instantly, 57 on 43, 59 on 41. The numbers are changing, listeners are fighting here on the air. “Does the guest consider that the DPR and the LPR are hostages in gas negotiations, a kind of trump card of the Ukrainian side and a way to blackmail Moscow?” Is this too private a question? Do you have a point of view on this issue?
I. Arrows: I have a point of view. I think that we have had a very serious gap in general in state policy between economic policy and foreign policy. After all, as we understand everything, I think the state is in crisis. That is, when domestic policy is divorced from foreign policy and economic is detached from that and the other, when they develop in completely different vectors, in different directions, this is a systemic crisis. We are trying to pursue a foreign policy aimed at the interests of Russia, while at the same time trying to pursue a policy in the interests of Gazprom economic. The result is not long in coming. That is, then attempts to link economic policy with foreign ones lead to conflicts, lead to the fact that we do not achieve success and progress neither there nor there.
S. DORENKO: Russian people are willing to endure for the idea, do you think? There is an idea, an idea of the Russian world, many Russian people proclaim it, and I must say that Putin is in St. George's Hall on March 18 ... And this is the idea of the Russian world, the protection of the Russians, if it makes you suffer, and not only a little, but ready for this?
I. Strelkov: I think that a significant part of the Russian people, especially not living in Moscow and St. Petersburg, she is ready to endure, if only because she doesn’t really feel the difference. First of all, our meager, sorry, megalopolises will feel the difference. I myself am a Muscovite and I know what I am talking about.
S.DORENKO: You are a Muscovite, who was born in Moscow.
I. STRELKOV: Yes, I was born in Moscow, in Moscow along one of my lines, my ancestors have been living since the middle of the 19 century.
S. DORENKO: You see. I stop this vote. Guys, it means that here is the result that I inform our guest Igor Strelkov. Igor Ivanovich, 61 on 39. 61 percent immediately supported your idea, 39 percent - no, or to some extent not. 61 is serious. Although this is not a sociology, attention. Of course this is not a sociology. So ... "It is the LC and the DNI that are beneficial to Kiev and the West, because they separated the pro-Russian voices, and so we would have more influence of the pro-Russian forces on Kiev," says 203. So, then, the Crimea should be there, and it is also necessary to give half of Russia there, so that the voting is all the time in favor of Russia. This is too much.
I. Strelkov: I can only say that the existence of the Lugansk and Donetsk people's republics in their present form, especially in the form when a sluggish, but no less bloody war continues, it is naturally beneficial to the United States, first of all. Only they, in fact, because this is the ulcer that is eating away at Russia and Ukraine, continues to set off the Russian and Ukrainian peoples, as part of a single people in fact, there is no time. And now, I am sure that this is actually a single people. And in this respect they, of course ...
S. DORENKO: Igor Ivanovich, but if you look at the prospect today, tomorrow and for three years, it is beneficial for the United States. But if you look at 20-30 for years, then China is de facto gaining strength here, in Eurasia, and the Americans are trying to make us prey, including China. Is that clever? For Americans, it seems to be as stupid? This is stupid.
I. Strelkov: I believe that now the United States is building its foreign policy, that is, the policy of the world hegemon ... You heard that Obama said recently, right?
S. DORENKO: Yes.
I. Strelkov: They are building from the calculation of precisely the short-term perspectives, far from looking. My concept of the situation, it may be erroneous, of course, I am not an expert in this matter, is that the United States is actually building a counter-positive policy now. They completely refused to reorganize the world for themselves. They just decided to stop at the model, I call it, the radiant Avalon. That is, they are going to leave the United States and some of their satellites, well, the UK in the first place, which is inextricably linked with the United States on a number of parameters, as an island of stability. And everything else smash into the trash.
S.DORENKO: Into chaos.
I. Arrows: Just smash into the trash, because otherwise a collapse awaits them, the same, unsecured dollar, it must somehow be maintained. That is, to restart this soap bubble, which they inflated, the whole world flooded with unsecured dollars, they need a situation where after this restart, roughly speaking, after canceling all debts, refusing all debts, the whole world continued, reluctantly teeth, send them resources. Because there is no other option. Everywhere in the rest of the world there will be chaos, war, instability, crisis.
S. DORENKO: Thus, the zone of chaos will swallow up the whole world, except the USA and the UK.
I. Arrows: Look at their strategy. They completely abandoned the strategy of restoring order where they came.
S. DORENKO: Maybe because they are not able to occupy?
I. Arrows: They do not seek to occupy, it is very expensive. It is very expensive. If, for example, fighting in Vietnam, the United States really economically supported South Vietnam, in South Korea, fighting, the United States really economically and politically supported South Korea. That is, they did, as they say, land there, that is, opposing the socialist model, then after the war in Afghanistan, we see that Afghanistan, as it was a country in which nothing but drugs are not produced, in ever-increasing quantities, remains the war continues there. They came to Iraq, as a result of which Iraq was split into several parts and civil war continued there continuously for 10. Look at Libya. Here they come to Libya. They generally abandoned her. That is, they smashed it and left to fend for themselves. There are a few existing pipelines and oil fields, everything else is plunged into complete chaos. They came to Syria. They do not seek to overthrow Assad as they wanted before. That is, they do not seek this. They just spread Syria in the trash. Now they intend to smash Ukraine and, in this case, the Donbass, which ...
S. DORENKO: Well, yes, turn it into a trench of the anti-Russian war.
I. STRELKOV: To turn it into a field that is simply pitted with craters, where Russians will kill Russians, because the same Russian-speaking units of the Ukrainian armed forces are fighting against us, and even the National Guard is equipped with them ...
S.DORENKO: Did you speak with any of their prisoners from the other side or not from prisoners, maybe there were some negotiations? What kind of people are these? What are their eyes? Do they hide their eyes, do they have any truth of their own? What they're saying?
I. ARROWS: You know, I left quite early enough, let's say, I was “left” quite early, before the start of a large-scale offensive. Therefore, I saw a relatively small number of prisoners.
S. DORENKO: And yet, what are they? Do they have their own truth or is it the cattle that are being driven to war, or what?
I. Strelkov: I did not have time to study the interrogations in detail. This was done by our chief of intelligence, Comrade Gloomy, known enough now. Sergey Nikolaevich could say more about this. I usually only talked at the first moment. Basically they were just stuck. They were simply confused, frightened; they did not understand that they had come to their own. We were about them as aliens from Mars. That is, the militia for them, they did not understand that they are the same people as they are, that they speak the same language, that in fact they do not hate them. They believed that they fell to the Nazis. That is, this is a consequence of the propaganda, which they openly zombie. Really zombie people. They do not understand what they are fighting for and against whom they are fighting. Because, you understand that the Maidan, which began under anti-oligarchic slogans, brought so frank oligarchs to power ...
S. DORENKO: Kolomoisky, for example.
I. Arrows: Yes. So frank oligarchs, that after that it’s ridiculous to talk about any achievements of this glorious so-called revolution.
S. DORENKO: Well, yes. I would be terribly interested to hear about your new movement. I think let's allow the audience to call. You are not afraid of direct calls?
I. Arrows: No, of course.
S. DORENKO: Great. I'll start with the move. Your goal? Are you Putin's rival?
I. Arrows: What are you talking about?
S. DORENKO: Wait. Our policy now is this: Putin is number one, the next 138 number. Well, like this! Next is 138! Give me number two. There is no number two in the country. Who is number two? He is not. Ku-ku, where? The field is weeded out, but it is not there, or they are small, some, or they are some kind of flea. Attention, it is followed by the policy number 138, 139 ... 150.
A. TITOVA: You are talking about a big break.
S.DORENKO: A huge break, a giant break. Thus, some new force cannot but be sucked into this vacuum.
I. Strelkov: I do not intend to engage in politics in the classical sense of the word.
S. DORENKO: Tell us what you want to do.
I. STRELKOV: First of all, I want to do practical work. From the fact that, let's say, I was forced to leave the Donetsk Republic, from this I did not lose responsibility in my own eyes for what happened there. And a terrible tragedy really happened there. My comrades and fighters remain there, there remains a population that, voluntarily or involuntarily, has become a hostage of those hostilities that began, including with my direct participation, with the participation, frankly, considerable. That is, I feel responsible for this region. First of all, I believe that our movement, which we organized, should ...
X S. DORENKO: Say, please, once again the exact name.
I. ARROWS: The exact name is the movement “Novorossiya”.
S.DORENKO: The movement "New Russia". It is more humanitarian in nature, not political.
I. Strelkov: It is practically, exclusively humanitarian and social. Why? Because the concept of "humanitarian" is very extensible. The United States, under the pretext of humanitarian aid, for example, is bombing everyone ...
S. DORENKO: Here, in Moscow, it is sometimes scary, because we want to help Novorossia, we are afraid that the devil knows who you give to and where it all goes. I think that with your authority it will be easier for people, relatively speaking. Suppose, if we understand that Strelkov is behind this, it means that it is more or less clear where this will go. When there is a Fartuchkin of some kind, God knows where it goes, I honestly do not know. This is problem. That is, the problem of authorities in the assistance of Novorossia is also worth it.
With us Igor Strelkov. We continue. A lot of calls. First of all, I am still ... Comrades dear, I turn on the telephone and, yes, you will ask questions by telephone. But first I will continue the question I asked. The movement “Novorossiya”, Igor Ivanovich, is this your movement, a new movement, will it be a project limited in time, conditionally speaking, until the crisis is resolved, or will it start to develop? And How? Does it once go into politics if it’s still humanitarian, and then later?
I. STRELKOV: We do not plan to go to politics. How long the movement will exist depends on the situation.
S.DORENKO: So this is rather a project thing?
I. Arrows: Yes, rather, you can say that.
S. DORENKO: I see. I will include people. Then you will have to wear headphones, despite the fact that they are drowned terribly, but ...
A. TITOVA: These are new ones, I put new ones on purpose.
S. DORENKO: New headphones, my God ... All right. Go. Guys, I turn you on, 737-39-48. Hello.
RADIO: Hello. Nikolai Fedorovich. I ask the question. Two brothers went through the Afghan, one staff officer, the other on the "drying" a year and a half flying with a grenade on the sleeve. Always, when drinking, relaxing, it was hard ... Very hard. You are a hero. We will enter. Will NATO come in?
I. ARROWS: Now NATO, at the moment, is not ready to enter, this is my opinion, but I cannot say what will happen by spring. It is quite possible that they postponed, as they say, an offensive precisely in view of the future support of NATO. Now this support goes by equipment, weapons, instructors, first of all with high-precision weapons, electronic warfare. It is possible that by the spring they will be ready to enter. Now, in my opinion (I emphasize, I do not possess, of course, all the information), they are not ready.
S.DORENKO: Anatoly from Donetsk, listens to us there, writes: “The shooters are a hero”. It is not a question, it is just a statement. “Have you ever met the guys,” writes Bata from The Other Russia, from Limonov. He asks if you have Limonov residents, how do you think about them? Apparently, your opinion is very important.
I. Strelkov: I can say that in my brigade, at least, the Limonovites, probably, did not exist, although, perhaps, they did, I just did not know about it. Because we did not have any separate political or religious groups in the unit, I fought against this very seriously. And even the Cossacks did not allow their units, it was officially, because it is destructive from the point of view of discipline and everything else. Humanitarian aid from the “Other Russia” came in, but I did not voice it, again due to the fact that I believe that it was precisely the assistance from political organizations and movements that was not quite acceptable from the point of view of propaganda.
S. DORENKO: Your forecast, what will happen to Ukraine, not with Novorossia? Can Ukraine start to flourish? Conventionally, the West makes of it a new showcase, they are flourishing, the Russians look with envy at Kiev.
I. STRELKOV: Let's get back to history. I’m still a historian. When did Ukraine flourish?
S.DORENKO: We must pay tribute.
I. STRELKOV: The only period of Ukraine’s prosperity was since its accession to Russia, reunification with Russia, and until, one can say, later on until the 1917 revolution of the year and, maybe, to some extent in Soviet times.
S. DORENKO: In Soviet times, yes.
I. Strelkov: Therefore, Ukraine flourished only in unity with Russia. All the rest of its history, Ukraine was a battlefield into which the Poles, the Tatars, and also the Russians divided it. And during his stay in Poland, Ukraine, one might say, also did not flourish at all when it was in a united Europe, that is, with the European choice.
S. DORENKO: In Soviet times, they were very appeased. Caulked. Right here in terms of supplies, the Soviet authorities coaxed them all over.
I. Arrows: Let's say that the people are not lazy either, in the first place. Secondly, the climate is very good and the climatic conditions are very good. Therefore, stick a stick, it will bloom.
S. DORENKO: Hello. Listen to you.
RADIO: Hello. Tell me, please, the people of Novorossia also rose up against the oligarchs. Don't you think that our government does not help Novorossia very much, because it also fears that the Russian people in Russia are against our very oligarchs, the very same Putin friends, for example, who are Rotenberg and others?
S.DORENKO: The people of Novorossia rose against the oligarchs. Don't you think that Russian oligarchs do not allow them to provide support, because the very tendency to fight oligarchs is alien to them?
I. STRELKOV: I can say that first of all ... It’s a very difficult question to answer for a long time. Now I will try to formulate the answer. I do not think that here we are talking about oligarchs. I believe that the problem, as I have already said, is in the separation of foreign and domestic, and economic policies. I just repeat it. And each of them moves in its own direction, and the result is a swan, a crayfish and a pike. In general, of course, I will say this, because the ideas of social justice are close to me, despite the fact that I have never concealed my political views, I naturally do not like the fact that the oligarchs have the ability to influence the country's foreign and domestic policies.
S.DORENKO: Eugene writes just impressions of your words. Evgenia noted: “I was burned and upset by the words of I. Strelkov that people in the Donbass really hoped for Russia. Very sorry for the people there. ” Burned and upset your words. 737-39-48. Hello. Listen to you.
RADIO: Hello. Just a question, Igor Ivanovich. And who shot down Boeing?
S. DORENKO: Who shot down Boeing?
I. Arrows: Certainly not me.
S. DORENKO: Ha-ha-ha ... But the investigation is going strange.
I. ARROWS: The fact is that the question with Boeing is so confusing that to answer this question is not for me, you see. At the time of the shooting down of Boeing, there were very active hostilities in the area of Shakhtersk, there was a very severe crisis in the Debaltseve area, and at that moment I was in command of the troops, I had no time to investigate. The investigation was directly supervised by Borodai, so all questions to him in this regard.
S. DORENKO: Did you personally see Western mercenaries, so-called soldiers of fortune? They talk a lot about them: Poles, Americans.
I. Arrows: No, I have not seen it personally.
S. DORENKO: Hello.
RADIO: Hello. Alexander, Moscow. I have a question for your guest. Here he says that Ukrainians and Russians are one people. At the same time trying to bite off part of the territory. The question is this. Is it not mean of you?
S. DORENKO: In a sense, one people and we are like them, Alexander asks.
I. Arrows: We are on different, apparently, sides of the barricades. For my part, it is not about any meanness for one simple reason: because I am fighting for a united great Russia, and stand by the side are mercenaries of the United States.
S.DORENKO: Tomo Torquemada calls us from Bern. Hello, Tomo. I ask you to.
RADIO: Good morning. I wanted to ask if we had any hope that the cleaning of werewolves in epaulets would finally begin soon in Russia.
I. Strelkov: The question is not for me, since I have already noted that I am not engaged in politics and certainly I do not plan to conduct any purges within the framework of our public movement. It is simply impossible, and we have completely different tasks.
S. DORENKO: Hello.
LISTENER: I wanted to ask the guest a question: what kind of structure does he see in politics and the social system in particular, in New Russia in Russia? What is considered: capitalism, oligarchism, socialism, communism? In general, what a vector to define.
S. DORENKO: I understood you correctly, you are saying how the New Russia will develop as part of Russia, if and when as part of Russia, what will be the structure, right? I ask you to.
I. Strelkov: I am not authorized to make such political predictions. Still, I ask the questioners not to forget that, on the one hand, I am by history from the beginning, but on the other hand, I am a military officer and, although in reserve, but a former civil servant. And I perfectly understand the price of my words, especially in such a situation, when I am, if I may say so, on the crest of popularity, probably not quite deserved, in my opinion.
S. DORENKO: Of course, deserved.
I. Strelkov: Therefore, the price of such an answer and its interpretation, they may not be on the scale, let's say, of the fact that ... not on the scale of the personality, not on the scale of the tasks that we set.
S. DORENKO: Can I ask a historian? And you, as they say, you will correct now, there are some legends about when you participated in the reenactment movement, you practiced being a Denikin officer, a military man of the Denikin army. Here is a world view. Why not red?
I. ARROWS: Because just like now, I associate myself with those people who fought against, as I call them, pomeshnikov, against the enemies of Russia. We must remember that in the 1917 year, people who destroyed the state came to power in Russia. In reality, they fought not for Russia, but for the Communist International, for the world revolution. I, as a person who has studied a fairly large number of real documents, including documents of the Red Army, are absolutely aware of this and are not subject to any discussion. And whites, with all their mistakes, with all their numerous mistakes, they had on the banners the slogan of restoring Russia. They were patriots at the time.
I. Strelkov: As for, say, the reconstructions in which I still participated, for example, in the reconstructions of the Great Patriotic War, I always participated in the form of the Soviet army, the Red Army ...
S. DORENKO: Here. Soviet army.
I. Arrows: Yes.
S. DORENKO: So you, as a historian, understand that the Reds were for some time fascinated by the idea of the International, but not for long, and then they begin to restore, in effect, the Russian Empire.
I. Arrows: Not exactly. That's a very difficult question. I don't want to be a populist. I can say that the tendencies of the restoration of the so-called red empire, they were competing until the death of Joseph Stalin, they were competing with the ideas of proletarian internationalism and the world revolution. And the victories of those and other forces, they were local, and it also turned out, as it were, a movement in different directions in reality. The fact that Trotskyism is alive, in fact, Trotskyism did not die, it was shown by the actions of Khrushchev, who returned to many of the original postulates of the Bolsheviks.
S.DORENKO: I am a more general question, it does not concern Ukraine, however. For Russians, for today's Russians looking for a root, isolating crystals in this terrible plasma of modernity, it is important to understand that we are grandchildren, I don’t know, great-grandchildren, it doesn’t matter Gagarin, Marshal Zhukov, the banner of victory, we go from there root or Stolypin and Suvorov , well, then maybe Rasputin. And so on. That is, the Russians, looking for the root, find that if you are the grandson of Zhukov and Gagarin, then Stalin’s repressions will go to you. If you are the grandson of Stolypin, Ilyin, and so on, then for some reason Rasputin goes to the load. That is, there is some wormhole there. How is it all together to marry? How are you doing?
I. Arrows: Everything is very simple. Actually, I'm not marrying anything. I just perceive history as a single process. For me, the history of Russia begins in ancient times and ends today.
S. DORENKO: Stalin is your man?
I. Arrows: I will not say that at all, although I treat him with a certain amount of respect. If only because, again, as a historian, as a person who has thought a lot and compared epochs, I find that some of his decisions are absolutely incomprehensible to modern man, and the situation with the same repressions is absolutely incomprehensible, why society put up with them . When I was a young student, I could not understand how society put up with such colossal arrests, shootings, camps, until I began to study the history of the civil war. Then I just realized that at that time the society for the sake of order after the 10-million victims of the civil war, when 6-7 million died of typhus and starvation, another 3 million from Spanish and half a million were just killed and shot, the society perceived this tough power is completely different than we are now. The same repressions were perceived as a pale similarity to those repressions that took place, let's say, from 1917 to the end of 30, when Trotskyism was in fact the main vector of movement.
S. DORENKO: Hello.
RADIO: Hello. I am calling from Paris.
S.DORENKO: Your name?
S. DORENKO: Tatiana from Paris, please.
RADIO Listener: We in Paris very often organize demonstrations in support of Novorossiya and Igor Ivanovich personally. How are they there, in Donetsk, in the Donbas, you yourself now in Moscow perceive our such support because of the cordon?
S. DORENKO: Thank you, Tatyana. I think this is an emotion, this is a cry of love. Tatiana in Paris arranges demonstrations ...
I. Arrows: I did not hear the question. The only thing I can thank for the support is not me in this case, but for the support of those people in Novorossia who are fighting now and who are now under fire from the punishers.
S. DORENKO: You see, people in Paris are coming out in support with slogans for you. Awesome Hello.
RADIO: Hello. Igor Ivanovich, great respect to you. This is the question. Don't you think that the recent change in the military-political leadership of Novorossia is such a Khasavyurt, a new Russian Khasavyurt? Because this split will not allow to unite and society, too. There is some kind of internal turbulence, which we do not quite understand, you, maybe, it is more understandable, which must somehow be overcome. The devil knows how to overcome it, with what.
S.DORENKO: This is our listener Frogi.
I. Strelkov: I suppose, in general, this has never been a secret to the fact that the problem of Novorossia, the defense of Novorossia, of course, lies in Moscow, first of all, until now, the fluctuations of Russian political power, fluctuations, including me I understand the president in relation to what to do there.
S. DORENKO: But it’s scary. Can I say? It is scary to put on real quilted jackets, eat yesterday’s porridge with aluminum spoons, bring down the economy.
I. Strelkov: The fact is that we must, in my opinion, understand that if a war is declared to us, and it is declared to us, and Donetsk, the Donbass is only one of the fronts of this war, the very first one, maybe, well, maybe not even the first, you still have to fight. And the more resolute ... I, as a military man, I can say, you can’t half fight. And we have been half fighting for half a year already and we are trying to overthrow all our problems, expect that a handful of militiamen who are not well armed are poorly organized, are still disgustingly led (disgustingly, I mean from here) that they will win for Russia, and here everything will remain the same as it was. No, it will not.
S. DORENKO: I had a terrible assumption that it was generally a smoke screen. I will say the following in brief words, as I see it, and have been talking about this since March. I think that the prize that the Kremlin wanted to get is a truly historic, gigantic event - the reunification of the Crimea with the motherland, this is a fundamentally important thing. And for the sake of this prize was needed, and here I turn to a somewhat cynical exposition, a smoke screen. And the New Russia was elected such a smoke screen for the surrender.
I. Arrows: I think you are mistaken. I cannot answer you directly with arguments, because I do not all have the right, naturally, to speak. You understand that I am a military man in this regard. But I believe that you are mistaken, that initially there was still a desire ...
S.DORENKO: To help really.
I. Arrows: To really help, yes.
S.DORENKO: This is not an element of bargaining.
I. Arrows: Then hesitations began.
S.DORENKO: The hesitations began. But can Novorossia be used for bargaining? Relatively speaking, the whole world recognizes Crimea, and we merge Novorossia and that's all.
I. Arrows: You understand that you are addressing this issue to a person who is not used to bargaining at all.
S. DORENKO: But scary. Fearfully.
I. Arrows: You see, it is useless to fear reality. You can not be afraid of reality. Again, I say, as a historian, as a military, a reality, it still exists.
S.DORENKO: Give the script, please, Igor Ivanovich. Give the script, please, the desired and several, three, four, five moves. First, we are deploying troops and helping the New Russia. How much? From Kharkov to Odessa or ... And so on. And then, what is America doing? Europe, we know what Victoria Nuland said, where she goes solemnly. What is America doing and what are we doing?
I. Arrows: You are asking a question that I don’t have the right to answer at all. You understand that I am now an ordinary citizen, just like everyone else.
S. DORENKO: I understand. It is much easier for journalists, we allow ourselves to think simply openly, on the air.
I. Arrows: I, too, can allow myself to think, but again, I have to think what to answer. I do not have the right to make statements that will be interpreted, since many still consider me to be a real acting soldier, officer, they think that I am fulfilling a cunning plan, I have no right to make such statements. The only thing I can say to this is that I believe that Russia is simply obliged to protect at least those who have already stood up for it. Just obliged. And in what way this should be carried out, our military and political leadership should just think about it.
S. DORENKO: In general, of course, this is a morally terrible betrayal, because people ... You see, yes, Anh, they will then be dumped into ditches, dumped into abandoned mines, they will dump their bodies into mines with tractors, they will be dumped with tractors.
I. Arrows: You can not doubt it.
S.DORENKO: Frankly speaking, we were encouraging here and absolutely no people should be thrown here. Even if they are evicted, whatever you want, do it, but somehow you can't ... Before everyone, he will look and say “you are scum”. Well, like this.
I. ARROWS: Once again I say, you can not fight half. You can not fight half. But I believe that the president, and I emphasize once again that I consider the president to be the legitimate supreme commander, and in the conditions of war he should be out of criticism, I still believe that in the end he will make the right decision and entrust the resolution of the New Russia issue competent people. More competent and less, let's say, interested materially, than those who deal with this issue now.
S.DORENKO: Sergey Kuzhugetovich.
I. Arrows: I will not say anything, I can not advise anything. I just hope.
S.DORENKO: One more or two questions, our time is running out. I eat the “In Motion” rubric, I don’t need it, I just dump it. Kiev calls. Hello. Are you from Kiev?
RADIO: Good morning. Lion from the USA.
S.DORENKO: Lev, you come to us from Pennsylvania through the Kiev switchboard. Very funny. Lev, I beg you.
Radio listener: Igor Ivanovich, if you put on the table iron proof that Moscow, the Kremlin and Washington, the White House agree behind the scenes on Novorossia, on Ukraine, will this surprise you?
I. Arrows: I think that no one will put this iron evidence to me, in the first place. Secondly, I believe that now, as I said, we have a multidirectional policy. Therefore, I think that they simply do not exist. Somewhere, someone is trying to negotiate, somewhere, someone is trying to come to terms, and somewhere, someone is trying to do his duty, as he sees it.
Radio Listener: Igor Ivanovich, what happened to the right hand named Abwehr?
I. Arrows: First, not by a nickname, but by callsign. Dog Nicknames
S. DORENKO: Thank you. It was Leo from the USA. So what happened to him? It is important? We have maybe 20 seconds left.
I. ARROWS: He gave a lot of help at the beginning, worked hard, but then broke down. The reason for breaking is, of course, the most severe psychological pressure on him. Parents in Ukraine. Accordingly, after his own mother curses live, it is very difficult for a person to fulfill his duties. Well, just washed it down. I had to remove him.
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