Do Russian citizens have the right to arms? Poll

Arguments for"

- By this act, the government will prove its focus on the interests of the people, which refers to people not like cattle or electorate. A “signal” of trusting the people will be sent.

- The armed people will be able in the event of any unrest (the sample of the beginning of the 17 century) to protect themselves and the Russian statehood, to organize themselves.

- The arming of the people will be a factor deterring the potential aggression of our eastern and western "partners".

- This act will lay the foundation for the restoration of the Russians historical traditions: our people have always been a warrior people, weapon It was an everyday part of the life of the Russian people from primitive antiquity until the 1917 year, when the new authorities began to pursue a policy of prohibiting the possession of civilians by arms. So, December 10 1918 issued a decree of the Council of People’s Commissars (SNK) of the RSFSR “On the surrender of weapons”, according to which the right to own weapons was retained only by members of the RCP (b), but not more than one rifle and one revolver per person .

- There will be a gradual change in the psychology of people - they will become more responsible, their self-esteem will increase.

- A blow will be struck at the criminal world, including ethno-mafia, armed rural communities will be able to stop a possible crime with only one fact that they are armed and can fight back (example: events in Sagra).

“As a result of the wrong migration policy of Moscow, our country was flooded with thousands, hundreds of thousands of migrants with an alien mentality and culture, who are organized into diasporas, have leaders, are united. In case of potential socio-economic upheavals, armed people will be able to fight back.

- MIC and industry in Russia will receive a new market.

"Against"

- The most common argument of opponents of possession of civilians weapons: if "our people allow weapons, everyone will immediately shoot each other." An argument with which it is difficult to agree - our people were armed for centuries, but did not interrupt each other. Yes, now, if a person really wants to kill another, he can do it - there are hunting weapons, axes, knives, hammers and a mass of objects with which you can kill a person. In the USA, Canada and Switzerland (and in a number of other countries), the population also did not kill each other. Russian and other peoples of Russia - that inferior, some savages who immediately begin to kill each other?

- The weapon will fall into the hands of bandits. But in reality, the bandits are already armed, plus there is elementary control.

- There will be a surge in crime. It seems that it will be the other way around - armed people will be able to stop the activities of large gangs as well as stop the actions of petty hooliganism. So, according to the American statistics: in more than 80% of cases, an attempt to rape a woman fails if she is armed, but unarmed women manage to fight off a rapist or rapists only in 5% of cases. There are examples of states, or individual US states, where the legalization of weapons has reduced the crime rate. According to the American statistics, in those US states where citizens were allowed to carry secretive weapons, the overall level of violent crime was BELOW by 18% compared to those states where it was forbidden to carry a firearm. Homicide rates in states where the population is armed, BELOW by 33%, robberies - by 37%. In the US states, where it is prohibited to carry weapons to the population, 289,7 is committed by 100 killings in thousands of people. In those states where the secretive carrying of weapons to the public is allowed, there are 183,1 murder cases per 100 thousand. In the US capital, Washington, the authorities were able to impose a ban on the possession of pistols and revolvers since 1976. As a result, crime in the US capital has tripled, while on average in the state crime over the same period grew by only 12%. In the most important metropolitan areas of the United States - Washington, New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles - only 5% of the population of the state lives, and 15% of all murders in the country are committed. Although it is these American cities and have the most brutal laws on the possession of weapons.

Results

Due to the great intellectual, spiritual degradation of the multinational people of Russia, it’s impossible to give weapons to everyone at once. The process should be gradual. First, the right to possession and carrying weapons (including automatic ones) must be received by officers of Russia and other security forces - first of all, various types of special forces, due to the fact that people with special psychology (warriors from birth) who pass hard psychological selection.

It is also necessary to equip the Cossacks, to promote in every way the revival of a special military estate of Russia. Then gradually, the majority of Russian citizens, who have no mental abnormalities or a criminal past, should receive the right to arms.

It is clear that the degree of availability of weapons should also be graded: officers and special forces soldiers can be allowed to have weapons from machine guns, sniper rifles to light machine guns, grenade launchers; Cossack communities can be entitled to the full range - from small arms to light armored vehicles; ordinary citizens should have the right to revolvers, pistols, rifles, including semi-automatic. Not giving the weapon to the people, the authorities admit that they do not trust them, they fear the population.

Comments

[Roman Skomorokhov]

And the tanks do not need the glorious Cossacks yet? It's a pity...

[LESHA pancake]

it would not be bad to give the hot horsemen from the Caucasus a cool head

[Joker]

If we take the statistics of offenses - the largest number of misuse of injuries is observed among representatives of law enforcement agencies, then the factor of impunity (as a percentage of the number of people who own it) plays a role here.

I consider the general statistics of crimes involving traumas to be incorrect, since I know from experience that if a person used traumatism during self-defense, and at the same time did not kill anyone and did not inflict heavy bodily injuries, he most likely will not handle this with the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it’s easier, well, well those who attacked will not go either ..

In general, the story about one American state is recalled, there they legally obligated to have a gun in every house, for a total of only 20 murders in XNUMX years (one is an accident, the other is due to negligence).

[Max79]

We, there are a lot of people who drink. And, as statistics show, fights and skirmishes begin immediately against this background. And if at that moment we have weapons in our hands? We’ll shoot half of Russia.
It is necessary to raise the spirituality of society, then weapons will not be needed!

[Superduck]

My sidekick was shot by the brother of the prosecutor and the deputy of the district council from a trauma from 2 meters in the tavern for the fact that he (sidekick) did not allow him to thrash in the middle of the dance with his girlfriend, who, too, naturally did not burn with desire. It was summer, because the clothes did not help. One bullet hit the solar plexus of the second one centimeter above the eyebrow. If there was no injury, the result would be understandable, well, or a centimeter below the eyebrow - in the best case, there would be no eye. And you think that the police decided something? The investigator came to his hospital (there was a concussion, of course), brought 100 bucks from this mistelle (although my sidekick has his own small factory) and showed a statement from this -removed, which says that my sidekick drunk in the trash pounced on him with a knife and he already has 20 witnesses and added that his brother is the deputy regional prosecutor. So if the sidekick doesn’t pick up I’ll declare it will be torn. From here.
No, and again no, the first ones to arm themselves are the same people who bought pit bulls and enlarged their penis with cherry tiguo. Well, I’m silent about lumpens, and all the thieves will go from injuries to glocks.

[LESHA pancake]

a drunk policeman in the center of Moscow opened fire at a department store for people; a well-known story in my opinion you should be more afraid than bandits

[LESHA pancake]

lies. in every house in the kitchen there are axes and knives and that everyone is running to cut each other?

[jamert]

Well, the deadliest weapon of a drunken brawl is a banal up to a table knife.

[LESHA pancake]

OR IRON WITH A PAN AND AT ALL KILLS NOT A SUBJECT AND A SPECIFIC PERSON

[cVM]

Max79,

I fully agree.

Russians can’t be given weapons, otherwise conflicts, fights, etc. will kill the already criminal Russian Federation will become more criminal.

[chehywed]

And also prohibit pans, kitchen knives, dumbbells, etc.

[Joker]

And also teeth with nails.

[LESHA pancake]

yeah, mean, let every bastard kill our citizens and the cops will come to record the fact of death.

[PSih2097]

and the cops will come to record the fact of death

And they do it already.

[Skills]

how familiar it is - "you can't give the Russians weapons, they are fools and drunks" ...

[raf]

I believe that weapons should not be given. But not because we are fools and drunkards! Weapons change the psychology of a person, he has a feeling of strength and superiority. And some have a sense of impunity. Before you give a person a weapon you need to properly prepare him psychologically. And who will do this?

[LESHA pancake]

Well, they give cars to people’s hands; they are also a source of increased danger.

[Alexei]

There are some interpretations of crappy ones. Raf, I also think that you can’t give weapons. Agree that using a knife and an iron is much more difficult than stupidly pulling the trigger. Too different society in terms of social composition. And taking into account corruption, primarily those who know yourself will receive weapons. It’s too early to distribute. These weapons still have to be earned.

[Order]

For a start, it would not hurt to put things in order in law enforcement agencies, and, at least, to adopt a "sane" law on civilian weapons, which would clearly spell out provisions on storage, carrying, use and responsibility. Then attend to the creation of learning centers with competent instructors, and so on. But in principle I am for. As for the statement "they will shoot each other", then proceeding from this logic, it is worth banning the car, because they will "pass over", kitchen knives, because they will "cut". I am sure that there is an overwhelming majority of sane people in Russia. I myself am the owner of a hunting barrel, and I do not have thoughts of “shooting everyone”. As for "trauma", it is definitely a ban.

[raf]

Dear Ordnung, in the sanity of the Russians, I have no doubt at all. I completely and completely agree with you about the order in law enforcement agencies! And at the expense of training centers, this is generally a great idea! But I voted against the fact that this is not, and it is not known whether

[Superduck]

Yeah, but people will give permissions to the trunk along with the trunk, like secretaries are given matiz along with the rights for a good omelet.

[Alexei]

That's right! If! Duck this "if" is not yet observed. And the rights and cars are now easily obtained, there would be money, and they fight and violate ... And you can't argue (

[chehywed]

Traumatic is perceived as a toy, does not create a psychological barrier. The shotgun, on the contrary, self-organizes. A normal person 10 will think twice before using it. As for drinkers, they need a bubble more than a gun.

[Superduck]

And how many bukhara who spend on vodyaru not the whole family budget? I know these from 2 ten. In theory, of course - yes, a gun with a barrel - a slammer. But did drivers of bukhs planted a lot in Russia?

[chehywed]

Duck, but there are millions of armed people in the country and not all of them are ulcers. And for the deaf, we drove childish punishments. In neighboring Finland, the penalty is sky-high and the term of 6 months. up to 2 years and not 15 days.

[Max]

Sorry, but there is one thing. Everyone knows that Russian people like to have a good drink. And according to statistics, 70% of killings occur on drunken soil (usually edged weapons or trauma). If they give a burnt light to a firearm, I’m afraid the UN will reconsider the reduction in the population of the Russian Federation until 2050 from 120 million much lower ..

[Alexei]

That's what it is about. Only you have underestimated the percentage. Still need to add accidents.

[solodova]

I am reading this article right after the article on the degradation of youth, which shows how to influence the psyche of adolescents. And I have a definite answer - no, now you cannot give weapons. Imagine only this boy who thought: "I need to kill 60 people ... 40 more ... 39 ... left ...", ten years later, as his head will digest, what has now been invested, and give him hands a gun ...
And sometimes I want to be able to stop a scumbag, I, a woman, with my bare hands to do it is almost impossible ... but for us it will now mean the self-destruction of the nation. First you need to return to people and youth, especially the concept of the value of human life. But weapons ... in a normal society, they would not have been needed, of course ...

[Forward]

You, dear, look at the statistics on deaths from singing alcohol and drug addiction in Our blessed country. Deaths from the use of firearms will be tens or even hundreds of times less. I can say this with confidence. A small example from America. When Cuban, the so-called dissidents, but in fact elementary criminals, surged into the United States. In one of the states where they settled, the number of robberies, murders and rapes increased sharply. Then the state authorities quickly summed up the legislative framework, under the softening of the possibilities of self-defense with firearms. That is, it was given, in fact, a green light, to shoot scumbags. less than a month later, everything normalized. I assure you, in our country there is a very large category of people who respect and understand, only brute force. On this site there are a lot of those who can confirm this. And if they are shot like mad dogs, I personally will not cry. For example, I’ll say that our philanthropic state spends 6200 rubles a month on a criminal, and 5 rubles on a simple law-abiding citizen with a penny. If you want to be robbed, raped and killed with impunity, and if a miracle happens and our police catch the attacker on time, then they also fed him. Then, please, your will, do with a stun gun. And I stand for weapons and not some kind of traumatic, but military and rifled. It would also be nice to be automatic. But this is already from the realm of fiction. And once again I repeat .- The bandit was, is and will always be armed, and you are not.

[Alexei]

I agree with Citizen Solodova. You’ll think how easy it is to disarm a person by going from behind. This, in addition to stolen phones and cars, will also add stolen trunks.

[Isk1984]

Yes, here is the problem of not re-educating many people, and not returning the values ​​to them, no matter how, I saw a couple of examples of them that can’t even be picked up to designate this social group — these are unprincipled, cruel people who have nothing authoritative but brute force.
Kuschevka may recall or give some other examples.
And the percentage of such nonhumans is huge in the country.
And many are also vested with power ...
So it must be resolved one way., But our government will not do it, so will perceive it as a threat to its existence ...

[Superduck]

The problem is that a person who does not know how to handle weapons, especially short-barreled weapons at a sufficiently high level, will not receive any benefits from what he possesses if he runs into people who know how to do this. And instead of taking loot from his hut and breaking a couple of ribs to the owner and killing his nose and killing his family, because in our Criminal Code the difference in time is not that big, but everyone has heard about the benefits of the witnesses. Moreover, with rational thinking, a shotgun will be much more useful and effective for non-pros if we consider the defense of the home as a task.

[chehywed]

Well, in this situation, they will kill him anyway, but having a weapon ready for battle, there is a chance to defend your home. Example: German Sterligov

[Isk1984]

In general, give the people their right to protection.
why some comments do not go write you write, but they do not post.

[solodova]

In addition, one must also take into account the moral readiness to use weapons, ghouls will be rude to anything horrible, and a person who is not characteristic of aggression will be hard to use even if necessary, SuperDuck rights are more likely that he himself will suffer.
And do not look to the west, they are already reaping these fruits, remember the prosperous tolerant Norway.

[Order]

When the question arises of your life and your children or life as you say "ghoul" encroaching on her, then the answer, in my opinion, is obvious .... An example of this is Sagra. Personally, I decided on this a long time ago, and I don’t want to make my spouse shoot a dozen cartridges from my izhak. Although, of course, God forbid ...

[jamert]

100 pounds. I don’t like weapons myself. But when he got married, he bought an injury. Previously, I coped with drunkenness and hooliganism, and so, all the same, I’ve been engaged in sambo for 15 years. But when you think that a dear person is at risk, it’s better to beat for sure.

[Alexei]

Again I agree with Solodova, so I like the way she thinks.
Here I have the opportunity to buy small arms, from PM to snipers. But in the estate of the barrel I do not have the sense of having it.
What kind of fear triumphed? Are you sure that the "ghoul" will not be armed? This is a vicious circle.

[Skills]

the problem is that the "bad uncles" are bandits, all sorts of criminals, ethnic groups are already armed, but normal, in principle law-abiding, sane people are not. Here's another example of what this leads to:
Sagra-2. Saratov option

The village Tselinny unexpectedly became a “hot spot” on the map of the Volga region

On the night of 4 on 5 of August, five bloodied residents of the village of Tselinnoe were admitted to the Perelyube Central District Hospital. They said to the doctors that late in the evening men broke into a settlement on several cars and began to beat the young men with armature.

- It was the Kurds, they live here a lot. They jumped out of the cars and began to beat all the guys that came across on the streets. Shots thundered! It was a real massacre! Like in scary movies! - says a resident of the village Andrew.

“The Kurds, who came to us at the beginning of the 90, are behaving in a cheeky way, they feel they are masters. They grab girls' hands, speak in their address of inviolability. Our guys drove the Kurdish girls away, so they came to avenge! - says another local resident Constantine.

According to those living in Tselinny, after the slaughter, they were visited by the first deputy chairman of the government of the Saratov region, Alexander Babichev, and a colonel from the State Department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia in the Saratov region, who began to convince the population that there was only a domestic quarrel.

- Wow - quarrel! Mounts on the head! They killed us! - Outraged Constantine. “The Kurds have come here with nothing, and now they live in luxurious houses, they look down upon us.
...
http://svpressa.ru/society/article/46683/

[Superduck]

2-3 hunting rifles stuffed with duck shot would have left the memory of this fascinating trip for many Kurds for life and no one would have died. And Russian citizens have such an opportunity, why for this case I need a short-range weapon for hidden wearing of the mind.

[indrik]

according to the law, the gun must be disassembled and stored separately from the cartridges, it must also be transported to the shooting range or hunting place. And the short barrel can be carried with you assembled, but not charged, with a little training, drive the clip and cock the trigger a matter of a second. when they catch on the street and trying to beat (rob, kill ...) it’s difficult to convince the aggressor to wait for you on the spot to drive you to pick it up to load it. By the way, if a bullet of 12 gauge or a shot is shot from a distance of up to 10 meters, it’s difficult to survive if you hit a limb - disability is guaranteed. The gun is more humane and most convenient for use in urban conditions and in transport. I am for the free sale to the people of combat pistols.

[LESHA pancake]

until the local authorities roof this bastard of rest, the locals will not

[Alexei]

So the authorities need to kick, not to arm civilians. One must learn to ask for regularly readable taxes.

[Barbarian]

so Kurds are people, but the local cattle is obliged to bring its women and pay tribute

[oper66]

I have experience repeatedly using service weapons to defeat criminals and on business trips. After the first time, there is very strong psychological stress when you see your bullet being hit, so it’s just that not everyone will decide a high psychological barrier, except in cases of critical situations to protect yourself and loved ones. I inform all cases I was checked by the prosecutor’s office that I’m several retired veterans of the military operations. For the permission of the firearm and not only pistols but also automatic small arms and grenade launchers. If the Russian population had weapons in Chechnya there would not have been the massacre that the Czechs arranged as people could repel the bandits to protect themselves and their property

[Superduck]

If we draw an analogy with the army, then the Slav conscripts, who do not have the skills of collective defense and self-organization, ransacked a dozen Dagestanis or Ingushs with equal opportunities for defense. Czechs would simply take more weapons from the Russians, that's all. Mentality sir. The first ones to arm themselves are the Caucasian lumpen in Russian cities, then skins (horseradish radish is not sweeter), and then the fathers of whose daughters raped at gunpoint will buy trunks on the black market and sit down for life for the results of their use. The traditions of the storage and use of individual weapons have been eradicated in our people for centuries, because the power over all these centuries was as far from people as they feared like the plague.

[oper66]

no, it’s just simply unarmed it’s hard to defend against the armed when you are faced with the fact of an attack and the threat of your life and family, the application will not become a question for life but it only comes when revenge and lynching are committed and we need weapons for self-defense within the law then no crime but the law on the limits of necessary self-defense must be changed because at present it is an excess to cause harm to the attacker upon termination of his active actions, but he also allows the attacker to cause damage and cause death to the attacker if there is a real threat to life and health and in a group attack, even if they are not armed to read uk rf and about the Slavs you are wrong I served in the army though in 1984-86 there were enough kurkvo and we had Krasnodar chebureks and laurels; 7 of us bypassed us and we supported others called us chocks cubanoids and I’ve stopped the steep forest guys, so they are from the moment om turned

[LESHA pancake]

I WANT TO LIVE IN spite of NOTHING FOR ANYTHING AND FOR SAVING ITS LIFE AND ITS CLOSE ALL THE FUNDS ARE WELL DESIRED FINALLY WITHIN THE LAW.

[Ivan35]

Very correct comment!
Comrades - not a weapon decides - but a mentality and spirit.
but I’ll add more - I live in Kazakhstan myself and the locals have no problems with Czechs and Caucasians. Because offend one - the whole village will come for him with forks and axes and, if necessary, with guns. here it happened several times - and since then mutual respect
First of all, we need not to think about weapons, but rather how to raise the spirit and unity of the Russians. Not even Natsiks could breed and call friendly peoples - but to take an example from them and bring up a new generation - capable of rebuffing - then the Caucasus will respect us.
And it is impossible to be isolated - if some nations want to be brothers with us - so it is necessary to become brothers.
As the first decision, it is necessary to revive the Cossacks - as special people - standing "above" ordinary Russians and having a combat potential at least on a par with other peoples - and not helpless like we are now - I know that I will not like the comments - but this is the bitter truth!

[oper66]

the Russian people have never been weak in spirit and friendly in terms of mentality, but the enemies of the Russian constantly pour mud on our people and in response there is silence and a poor policy aimed at humiliating the Russians, belittling their rights and if God forbid someone answers, they will not be silent a powerful stream of accusations begins in chauvinism, Zionism and all mortal sins, Lenin, in his work on nat pride of the Great Russians, demanded to artificially put the Russian people in a humiliating position to the peoples of the natu suburbs for the tsarist government’s crimes, which our single polls and other politicians continue to do, therefore they are afraid to give the people their right to defend the nat. pride backed by weapons I myself am a Cossack my ancestors Zaporizhzhya Black Sea Cossacks and drunkenness not only among Russians but also other peoples because there is a hopelessness lack of confidence in tomorrow and the inability to sweep the anti-people government by force

[Superduck]

Unfortunately, the Russian spirit has been mothballed for centuries by slavery, and it goes out in emergency situations. Answer me as a former opera. You know a lot of cases when the cyan barons who hold the dope trade drove people out of cities. I know examples when they tried so the police defended them. Many times they cleaned the faces of the owners of stalls that are pushing tobacco and beer near the school to schoolchildren? Spirit needs to be educated Ivan35 right, but if you give a pistol a trembling hand, then it will not become a CITIZEN from this. It is necessary to recreate the normal DOSAF, children's groups in normal martial arts and not capoeiro and sambo, at least, and so that a simple kid from a working-class family could afford it. Our society is rotten in the trash, you yourself know how many real men who can afford to have an opinion in the militia, and not the money earners at the cash desk and the executors of the plan to pop the hemp into the hemp and straw pockets. And everywhere like that, they just talk more about the police. Bydlot and redneck need to be eradicated in people, and then it turns out that they don’t need weapons either.
3 years ago he was traveling with his family in a tram - the aiser took the conductor by the hair and beat the door against the door with a Bosko because she somehow gave the basement to him incorrectly, –– removed –––––––––––––––––––– ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––-– Also nobody saw this chtoli? Yes, at least give out bazookas, SENSE ?!
That is why the eastern eat us with giblets, we go to bed ourselves!

[oper66]

the weapon itself will not make you a hero heroes become people capable of action aimed not only at their own protection but those who are next to you that our people and his face and the entire population of Russia are slopped, it’s really insulting that people were blown away and began to consider themselves such regarding drug trafficking and barons: article 224 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR provided for a criminal response for it, drug use, but the democrats canceled this provision although 90% of crimes against the person and mercenary drugs are committed by drug addicts there will be no open demand there will not be hucksters in full bloom with shit democrats and many now violating the law, but more than normal, the police were created as an advanced armed detachment of the people, but all this was perverted and destroyed. I remember a time when one local policeman decided everything and there was no such lawlessness — arming people does not make sense without an integrated approach: adopting a law on self-defense weapons patriotic education making tough m game policy of increasing the welfare of the population and then people will not be indifferent and cowardly, but these bazookas will not help and stop bazooka to stop internationalism and free aid to every ml brother they recognize strength and only strength, but the fact that he set an example for his son is good, I only served in the army intelligence athlete does not bend and do not scare

[Ivan35]

Exactly! - I could not - SuperDuck correctly formulated - give a shivering creature to a gun - it will not become a CITIZEN anyway!

And Dosaaf and patriotic circles are needed with sambo, etc. like in the USSR!

But since the USSR does not exist, so far it is necessary to re-create the COSSACKS as under the tsar - here's an example with the Azeri, take Superdak - but if in Almaty some khachik would try that - in a second the local "horsemen" would restore the constitutional order - you might think that I exaggerate - no - not at all - all the local youth are SCARY and SCARY Proud and, most importantly, UNITED - to uncompromising - and they have no problem with Caucasians - although there are no less of them here than in Moscow - many were exiled under the USSR

So, future Cossacks could be the same people - on the one hand Russian - on the other hand, have such qualities and be able to live in the Caucasus
All that is needed is some sort of secret state program - and in 3-4 years many problems would be solved

[LESHA pancake]

absolutely right

[Alexei]

Fuh ... And I almost panicked) Here they are adequate comments! The idea, and the trunks - this is the last line.

[Klibanophoros]

Weapons must be allowed. At least from the principle. I remember when General Kuropatkin was sent to suppress the Kazakh uprising in 1915, he, having arrived at the place and appreciating the situation, simply ordered to distribute rifles to the Russian peasants. The rebellion immediately died away by itself, the guilty came with a plea and a plea for forgiveness, while those who had already been soiled with blood left for Uiguria in China.
And one more thing: is it not a shame for you that the Yankees can buy three-rulers from old Soviet warehouses for $ 79,99 per barrel (http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/Russian_M44_Rife.html), but I, Russian, neither PPSh, nor Mosinki in the eyes did not see and did not hold?

[Superduck]

Go to the shooting range - hold on, shoot, what problems are not so expensive. Here in Ukraine, here is a friend of mine who bought an aks with automatic gear disabled and the impossibility of firing with a folded butt, the Volcano, as it is called, everything else is in place, rifled, accuracy is good, like a hunting one, but it’s impossible to fill up someone with an ordinary bullet, it’s sewing everybody, a ram was felled until the heart broke, he did not understand what was happening to him. Funny money costs, well, he’s calm behind a dwelling, but a normal person with a trunk doesn’t need to go to the store.

[Joker]

It is possible to take a rifled barrel in Ukraine right away, we need to have a smoothbore for 5 years before this + you have no restrictions on the volume of the store (in Russia there are a maximum of 10 rounds).

Maybe it’s better, the smoothbore for self-defense will be more convenient, and if you load the buckshot, you can shoot from the hip ..

And this tool (reworked AKM and AKMS) is valid, if it presses from 0,5 to 1,5 hours of locksmith work and you can shoot in bursts.

[Superduck]

Yes, the carabiner is not bad, everyone knows how to unlock it, especially since there the trunk and the box are not touched, and the shutter, springs and other things are much easier to find if desired. And the main thing is that you can distinguish the horseradish from the present, one look is enough to cool the hot fervor. The people take advantage of this when exercising the right of citizens to self-defense, well, there when it is necessary to brash the brash or to the crazy people. It is in this form 2 times more effective than when shooting. And more importantly, when transporting it, you do not need to disassemble it as a smooth-barrel hunting. Those. if it’s in a small case, then you can carry it, and in case of which you can only get it, the little shop put it on, because this sound of sending the first cartridge by the movement of the shutter, you can’t confuse it with anything, Beethoven is for a man’s snake, and look, there’s nobody else. Alleluia! And hunters use extensive chichas bullets, I do not know if it is legal or not, but the best option is considered to be a hog.
And by the way, there’s a kind of restriction to the store, everything goes standard, but a plastic insert for 10 rounds, i.e. 20 in the store is legal. The insert is naturally lifted out like 2 fingers.

[runway]

From where we come here, nothing will change. This question has already grown with moss from old age. The authorities will never allow the sale of firearms, and not at all because we have a "different" people, as, for example, in Norway ....
All these issues are resolved. AUTHORITY IS AFRAID OF HIS PEOPLE, especially armed. Too many unsolvable social problems have accumulated that cannot be solved in any other way .... They know this.

[LESHA pancake]

THIS FEAR AND HOW WOULD NOT WHAT WAS OUT?

[Alexei]

Revolution? And who to shoot then? At each other?
It is much more efficient to stop work and block highways and railways. They do so, and achieve their goal.

[figwam]

Yes, I feel like it and it’s prickling. And what will happen in cafe-bars, restaurants on the roads.

[figwam]

And you want and prick.

[mitrich]

My deep conviction: NO, DO NOT.
I will explain why: weapons are a source of INCREASED danger for citizens. Owning it means special conditions for its use (that is, an adequate assessment by a citizen of the reality of the threat to his life), special storage conditions, etc.
Knowing the mentality of our people, I can imagine what a massive sale can lead to. As an example: a drunk man with a hunting rifle, waging an undeclared "war" from the windows of his own apartment.
Moreover, I am convinced that the sale of traumatic weapons and baseball bats in car shops should be prohibited. According to my friends from software (law enforcement agencies), if you knew how many people are dying and becoming disabled as a result of their use, you would not have stuttered about the permit for the massive acquisition of firearms.
The bandits, of course, are trying to have OOs in their hands. But: 1) after all, they are fighting with it; 2) criminals do not use OO right and left, but use it for their own purposes (for committing "contract" murders, for example), you rarely hear about the use of OO during fights in a cafe ... But about traumatism - all the time.
Links to Western experience are incorrect. They have a different culture of handling NGOs, and before reaching the modern level of control, they had a lot of bloody things happening, and now street gangs of reckless blacks with trunks on the streets of American cities are common. They will kill, and they will not ask for a name. Do you want the same?
I read the opinion of OPER66 with interest. But this worthy husband, apparently, was embarrassed to write how many explanations he wrote to his superiors and to the prosecutor’s office and how much gray hair he acquired before his actions on the fact of the use of OO were recognized as legitimate. But this is a staff member of the Ministry of Internal Affairs! And with Chechnya: in the first place, it was not necessary to leave warehouses with AK for local militants, so oh. the weapons in the hands of the Russian-speaking people could not decide anything, if you remember what losses the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs suffered in the first and second campaigns.
I repeat once again: NO and NO again, moreover, even greater control and prohibition can correct the situation. There is an army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, from civilians - the society of hunters with their own control, so they may have the right to store, carry and use (in the latter case, hunting) PA.

[Joker]

I do not agree with you about the official statistics on the use of injuries.

Because in the case of “successful self-defense” (the victim managed to defend himself without killing anyone and without inflicting heavy physical incidents), the probability of contacting the police on this account (and correspondingly fixing in official statistics) tends to zero (both for the attackers and the defender ) for reasons I think everyone understands.
Well, the cases when the trauma man stopped the attackers at the stage of the “attempt to commit” do not give in to any fix at the moment (in fact, you’ll prove to hell that someone was malicious).

[LESHA pancake]

but he is alive and not in the cemetery.

[runway]

If the state, with its power structures, is not able to protect the life of a person and his loved ones, the person will protect his life and loved ones himself. Recent events have shown this. Prudent have already stocked up. No need to give an advantage to bandyugan!

[jamert]

Do you propose to ban baseball?

[oper66]

God forbid, you categorically do not remember when yourself or your loved ones will be the target of these bandits and you have a gun in your pocket that you are stuck with ballistic weapons on your traumatism. a restraining fact since all weapons have a bulletproof magazine in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the weapons are registered and their use will be regulated by the law on necessary civilian self-defense, we are not talking about lawlessness

[LESHA pancake]

THE FAMOUS HUNGER WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THIS BECAUSE THE MAN HAS NOT BEEN IN THE SITUATION WHEN HE WILL NOT HAVE ANOTHER CHOICE.

[PSih2097]

weapons - a source of increased danger to citizens.

By the way, motor transport is also, but it is not prohibited.

[Alexei]

What are you, that's all. I had once in my life when I ran away from bullets. But when I walked around the shooters I stood behind the Christmas tree and heard their skis rustle. I thought at that moment: "I wish I had at least a little trauma , I would slap these biotletes in the back of the head. "Nafiga? There is a shortage of people in Russia.
This is a global topic and you cannot solve it with trunks.

[figwam]

And you want and prick.

[figwam]

Medvedev even promoted canceled on the issue of drunk driving. Do you want a weapon.
It turns out we are worse than all other peoples who are allowed to carry weapons ..

[mitrich]

According to the comment of SKIL:
Kurds arrived with fittings. It was necessary, in self-defense, to break their heads with similar objects and cut them with knives.
Practice shows: this category of citizens becomes brutal at the sight of someone else's blood, and the view of their own leads them to a state of panic

[LESHA pancake]

and then to you an article for extremism in relation to national minorities.

[spok]

UNIVERSALLY NO PEOPLE AND THE GROWING GENERATION TO THIS IS NOT READY

[LESHA pancake]

Yeah, our people are always unprepared how to fight Hitler, he was ready, but here we are sorry cattle so chtoli

[Superduck]

Yeah, he was so ready that he almost jumped over the Urals with a few million surrendered.
The only thing where the Russians were able to defend themselves normally in recent years is Transnistria and then at the expense of those who are ready - Cossacks, former military and even Ukrainian nationalists. And from all other places, they were quietly loaded into cars and sent to their homeland (at best)

[LESHA pancake]

so they just had their weapons and therefore survived.

[Superduck]

Who had it?

[LESHA pancake]

Cossacks

[Superduck]

Well, they walked with anything there, the AKM was a bit there at all, for the most part all sorts of hunting shit. AKM was sold there but they were prohibitively expensive for most.

[spok]

buy yourself a smoothbore and in 5 years you’ll take a rifled barrel and protect the country from Hitler

[datur]

Superduck, And the POPPERS are ready ?????

[syday]

Definitely yes. Russian, I live in the Caucasus, personally, for some reason, I can never effectively use a firearm, but imagine a situation, you get on a bus, there are several men sitting there and you have a gun and they also have you and they know it, and that which of those present, whether thrice thawed, will begin to spread his fingers. I think the trip will take place in a warm and welcoming atmosphere.

[Superduck]

It’s dangerous for you to ride buses in the Caucasus.
But they know, you know, they decided to spread their fingers and there is no half-bus. Even for a commando, the situation is fraught with civilian casualties 1/3

[LESHA pancake]

and what other option? complain to the UN?

[Alexei]

Do you even understand that by conspiracy you can take the barrel and take it away, moreover, easily?
Some fantasies about the "Wild West".
What kind of country will it be, where only with the trunk will you feel protected?

[mitrich]

LEHA damn it,
I expressed an opinion based on my life experience. Your life experience may differ from mine, so the opinion may be different. Do not be nervous ...

[LESHA pancake]

Mitrich, I respect your opinion. but people should have the same rights, obligations before the law, and on this issue bandits have more rights nowadays.

[figwam]

If weapons are allowed, then in parallel you need to be accustomed to a culture of handling it.
We need shooting ranges and instructors where it will be possible to learn how to shoot. Weapons can only be sold to a citizen when he passes the exam (like a car). Accordingly, the weapons will be shot at the police, if you used them somewhere, you’ll be found on the sleeve and pool base, for a second, it is equivalent to leave a passport at the place of application of the barrel.

[LESHA pancake]

I AGREE, MAIN THING TO PERFORM AN ARTICLE ON RESPONSIBILITY FOR USING THE ORGAN TO THE PEOPLE'S HEAD

[Superduck]

Like as they drove in that drunk driving criminal. Many lives saved on the road, is it driving in?

[LESHA pancake]

A DRINKING COP WITH A STEM IS BETTER THAN

[jamert]

Even in the States, where there are 300 million legal "guns" per 200 million of the population, only 30 percent of crimes are committed with the help of legal weapons. The only danger of legalizing weapons is that they can easily fall into the hands of the mentally ill, adolescents, and all kinds of junkies.

[Superduck]

and probably those remaining 70% at one time were stolen from the warehouses of the us army with the help of ensign Petrenko?
They, too, were bought at a store and were lost, stolen or taken away.

[jamert]

Well, actually they also steal from warehouses.

[Superduck]

The point is to steal from warehouses if you can rob any supermarket. Or buy with an official / steal a Chinese ak-47 where the automatic mode translator is blocked by the ebb on the box, which is removed with a needle file in 10 minutes.

[ars_pro]

cVM is especially for you - =) We have all the masters and people can kill not only with an envelope but not even wanting to do it ... but if you see that a person’s head doesn’t boil and his eyes are muddy, why contact such ... a bike about 3 masters, the master is not the one who handed out, and remained unharmed, but who was not even affected !!!

[LESHA pancake]

TEENAGERS MANAGED A MAN BY A CAR TIRE TO KILL AND WHAT WE PROHIBIT TO SELL TIRES?

[PSih2097]

TEENAGERS MANAGED A MAN BY A CAR TIRE TO KILL AND WHAT WE PROHIBIT TO SELL TIRES?
And here it is? Do not confuse weapons and means and instruments of crime.

[vlbelugin]

The weapon should be in the hands of those who need it by the type of service.
For the rest, including traumatism, withdraw air from personal use.
For lovers of shooting there are shooting ranges.
With regard to the presence of weapons from bandits, etc. This is the case of the police.
They should be in great demand.
Imagine how many weapons people had in their hands after the war. But the Soviet government wanted to cope with this - it dealt with it as soon as possible. And already in the late 50s, a crime with the use of weapons was an emergency.
It's all about power. She cannot restore order or does not want to.

[LESHA pancake]

FORKING SPOONS AND KITCHEN KNIVES AT LEAST LEAVING AND SO HOW TO EAT THAT WE WILL?

[oper66]

the trouble is that we do not have Soviet power, but the staging of the imperialists that we interfere with; therefore, legally, it is necessary to return to a person the right to defend himself and his family and you can’t change power without weapons

[PSih2097]

We (the people) do not bother them, they spat on us from a high mountain, they make money, we survive.
The right to military weapons for citizens in this state will not give anything ...
Although I agree with this project. (On the other hand, who is stopping you from buying a barrel for a rainy day on the black market, except for the cops ...)
But we will assume that the firearm was allowed ...
You’re going to buy a machine gun (for example, AK 74m) for $ 2k, a gun ... well, for $ 500, then bring it all home, equip shops and clips, lovingly put it in a safe (weapons cabinet) ...
And suddenly, a serious, especially serious (necessary to underline) crime involving the use of a firearm occurred in your area, who do you think will come to them with riot police?

[PSih2097]

In my opinion, training complexes should first be created by analogy with IPSC or its analogues and only then stutter on the sale of weapons to everyone, which even in the states does not happen anywhere ...

[PSih2097]

* Base complexes

[wasjasibirjac]

they will come - they will look - the barrel is in the dust - they will apologize - they will leave to look for another. the shot cartridges are quietly stored in a bulletproof magazine in the nearest air traffic control unit. which fool would use a legitimate trunk?
By the way, where is the black market? I want to buy but I can’t find a market in any way.
the government needs to understand for a long time: if you cannot win - lead. arms factories are down - no orders. there would be a "white" market - there would be demand and sales, which means that the factories would rise. what to say about the "slave spirit" and "shoot" is an empty phrase. Anyone who wants to take responsibility for his own life will buy and will defend himself and protect others. whoever is not ready and hopes for others - let him hope, but then he does not cry when this defense has not had time.

[mitrich]

OPER66,
I can be trusted with a weapon, I have the skills to handle it and understand in what cases to use it. But my neighbor (virtually) - no, because when he drinks, inadequate, he persecutes his wife, etc.
But formally, both of us are law-abiding citizens, previously not convicted, we are not registered with the IPA, and so on. So, we have both the right to the trunk!
What will the former law servant say? You finish treating Ryazan and Tagil as Vedeno and Shatoi ... The war has already ended.
Yes, more. It will be necessary - I'll bite it with my teeth, without any "Tiger" and "Saiga". Wah!

[roninas]

Well done, Mitrich. That’s exactly how it is. Only, of course, your neighbor would hardly have bought a barrel, it’s better that the thread is hot, but the essence is very noticeable and very true .. AVAILABILITY of a weapon does not affect the ability to defend itself .. Many in general in stressful situations the name is forgotten, not something. to use something. One plus, not all, and not even many will purchase weapons, but those who are predisposed to this. I myself live in Lithuania, we are allowed weapons, but not everyone bought. there are no shootings, only at the beginning of 90 one businessman from a beret put something about 11 brothers, I don’t remember exactly. And another example, they killed my friend. even though there was an experience with the gun. And how many they steal and just take it away, I don’t count. I glock, but basically lies at home, I take only shoot. Situations, thank God there was, but with those. that were, I understood without weapons. And very well. Someone said very well, the weapon makes the strong even stronger, and the weak - still weaker.

[wasjasibirjac]

drives your wife? and where is the precinct? after all, he must know his "home boxer", before buying you need to go through the precinct, collect documents. Another conversation is that the district police officer can also sign a certificate for "greyhound puppies". then let him be responsible for his signature and check who signs what. and training centers are essential. without training, there can be no normal use of weapons, especially short-barrels. just need to make sure that these centers do not become the basis for new organized crime groups

[mitrich]

All these disputes are due to insecurity in their own safety, disbelief in the police, in general unbelief in anything good ...
Example: I saw a video in a U-tube where humped-nosed "athletes" roll their feet on the floor of a young cop in Moscow ... The law enforcement officer had a barrel, but he did not use it. Riddle - why? Although I already have the answer.
And what WOULD be needed? To put these four "sportsmen" on the floor forever, and even to the president of the whole country to present the brave cop with the order "For personal courage". You look, and our dispute today would not exist ...
VIBELUGIN correctly designated everything. Short and capacious.

[dmb]

A weapon is a particular. The question arises, why then do we need the state in general? We ourselves must defend ourselves, pay for education and medicine ourselves, maintain apartment buildings, again ourselves. Then why pay taxes? By God, most of us owed nothing to Friedman, Gref, or Putin. Quite the contrary. Even if (returning to the weapon) to assume that it will allow us to demand from the government the observance of our interests, it’s utopia. With guns against armored personnel carriers you won’t get much. if the army goes over to the side of the people, there will be no need for personal weapons.

[oper66]

I’ll tell the former there are no operas. I’ve said for all of Russia that the Tambov’s war is not over, we wouldn’t want to and we weren’t convinced of this, and therefore weapons are necessary to protect ourselves and from both internal and external enemies on the basis of the ablution law

[APASUS]

I am against the sale of weapons to civilians!
During the time of perestroika, our people have degraded, moral values ​​have weakened. Young people grown on Boomer, Hide and Seek, Mentov have no idea what life is. In Moscow they kill people from traumas just because they did not give way.
What kind of weapons are they organizing about ????
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The society is filled with anger, it is not capable of sound thinking! In the USA where this weapon is allowed, where law-abiding is not like in Russia, manic showdowns with the use of weapons (with a dozen victims) occur
It is about once a month.
The only thing that will happen is THIS WEAPON MANUFACTURERS WILL PUMP YOURSELF POCKET NOT WEAKLY !!!!

[LESHA pancake]

WELL THEN WE WILL PRAY THAT SO CALLED HUMAN-BEAR SPORTMEN WILL NOT BREAK IN YOUR HOUSE, DO NOT RAP THE WIFE, DO NOT BEAT YOU AND YOUR CLOSE.

[APASUS]

Just do not need these snot! You’re faster at kicking a flock of thugs on the street than hunch-biting athletes will start breaking into you!

[LESHA pancake]

one hell who kicks you still become disabled

[spok]

buy a smoothbore and protect the family according to the law, it is allowed and you will be happy

[oper66]

apasus let's bend let us have you decided that everything is finished no dear all ahead you know the riddle how the donkey differs from the donkey

[petrovich]

a weapon is a responsibility people are not ready to bear it

[oper66]

Petrovich if you’re not ready, don’t talk about everyone; sit at home quietly quietly; maybe they won’t come to you.

[wasjasibirjac]

who is not ready - why does he need a weapon? who is ready - why not?

[Iskra]

Wait, this power will allow the weapon, so citizens with these weapons will not be able to assert their rights and will not be beaten with a club, and the criminal will think ten times about whether it is worth encroaching on the life and property of a law-abiding citizen, a person without a weapon is not a man but a cattle for a haircut and milking

[atheist]

I think that it’s not necessary to give everyone a firearm, because everyone has their own threshold of law — someone decides to shoot for insulting him, someone for a scratch on the wing, someone lost in a fight and decided to take revenge (all this violation of law or criminal or administrative)
I personally would have killed a couple of Armenian gopniks, who strip and beat ours, and consider it normal (but I could kill),

[spok]

here you have your own jokes and I would have flunked a neighbor with his stinking dog who constantly pisses in the entrance
but a lot of things aren’t you so offended at you and will come home to you for a showdown

[raf]

Here the article says that an armed woman will be able to repulse the rapist. If you take an ordinary woman from the street and give her a gun, I think she doesn’t know how to use it! In the best case, they’ll just take it away, in the worst they will shoot it from the same pistol. And when they cite the USA as an example and say that they sell weapons and nobody shot anyone, I disagree here. They still shoot like they shoot! Remember about shooting at schools. They’ll hurt what some asshole, he came home and there dad had a gun in his nightstand grab it and shoot back at the school of offenders. It’s not an isolated case. So America is a rather negative example!

[chehywed]

Personal weapons also have a deterrent. A couple of hours ago on TV they showed how a ghoul brigade beat people in Nalchik because they overtook them on the highway. They beat him fiercely, drunk with impunity. And if they even suspected the possibility of an armed rebuff, they would behave much calmer.

[spok]

then they would just shoot him (or you) and move on

[chehywed]

I explain again: a return fire is POSSIBLE, i.e. people MAY be armed. Here any scumbag POSSIBLE to think.

[SAVA]

HOW TO CONTINUED, PEOPLE HAVE RECEIVED ON KAMA THE COMPANY OF YOUNG PEOPLE AND LET ALL BEAT EVEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN, FATHER BEATED IN THE EYES OF CHILDREN

[spok]

pistol
you can use it
and if you don’t have time to get the wild west cowboy showdown
take away your weapon and do what you want and then hang on you and
still not enough will meet a drunk moron whom the woman didn’t give and sperm presses on her ears

[chehywed]

My good friend served in the SOBR. A few years ago, the whole team was led through a conversation with a psychologist and he revealed that it was contraindicated for several law enforcement officers. Why shouldn’t everyone try to buy a barrel in the same way? Why does the government decide that not everyone is concrete, but the whole people are crazy people?

[Superduck]

My father-in-law has been a color blind for the past 20 years, but he worked as a driver of a city bus because he knew nothing more in life, though he was a pro and didn’t get into an accident. Tell how he went through a medical examination?

[SAVA]

AFTER THIS LAW IS PASSED, THE POPULATION WILL BE THINNED, KILLED DEGENERATES, A COUPLE OF CHIEFS HEADED AND GIVEN ETC., AND ETC. IF IT IS SIMPLE TO HAND OUT WEAPONS IT WILL VIOLATE THIS SCHEME IS HAS BEEN FUNCTIONAL. MANY UNSOLICABLE ISSUES WHICH WITHOUT WEAPONS CAN NOT BE DECIDED, TOO MUCH LITTLE DIVERSION, NORMAL PEOPLE DO NOT LIVE

[atheist]

as already said 1/2 of the country will shoot another 1/2 and that's it

[raf]

Count SAVA and if someone decides that you are degenerate? Don’t be offended, I don’t think so! This is me for example.

[SAVA]

THIS IS WHAT I SAY A CIVIL WAR WILL BEGIN AND AFTER "GENERAL WARS" THIS WILL BE THE SECOND SUBMISSION OF THE PEOPLE BY THE POWER, THAT IS TO KILL WILL ALREADY JUST SPEAK ABOUT THAT THE POWER IS BAD THIS IS ABOUT THIS. THAT IS STRANGE, WELL, WHAT IS THEN IF WE ARE ALIVE AFTER ADOPTION OF THIS LAW REMEMBER MY WORDS AND SAY "YOU WERE RIGHT"

[raf]

SAVA your opinion is not strange; your opinion is correct!

[SAVA]

BUT FOR ANY EVENT I WILL TRY TO BUY THAT MYSELF))

[PSih2097]

But it has actually begun. Remember the story: The tops do not want, the bottoms - everything is tired (you only need a spark in the powder keg) ...

[Uhalus]

You, of course, are right ... Yes, only I go with weapons. It came in handy repeatedly. We have the same little rayon ... Conclusion: something needs to be done with self-defense too?

[does it]

China then aside will not stop immediately half of Russia chopping off the belt (Russia looks like a miner on the map) my opinion: a civil warrior is dangerous for today's Russia because it threatens its integrity.

[does it]

TOO MUCH LITTLE BROUGHT, NORMAL PEOPLE ARE NO LIVING; and who do you mean by the word trash?

[Slipfar]

Comrade Ordnung’s point of view is closest to me.
In Russia there is no normal legal base even for the use of airguns, what can we say about a firearm and armed self-defense!
We had a case in Lipetsk. In a dashing 90, the so-called "Lipetsk lads" demanded tribute from one entrepreneur, but he fundamentally opposed it. One visit the brothers decided to kill him, but at the last moment he managed to DEFEND FROM THE BULLET, grabbed HIS gun and The result is three corpses. How he managed to pull it off, I don’t remember exactly, but the fact is the fact. They were going to put him in prison, he barely justified himself (the story was shown on central TV). And what is it about even in such OBVIOUS In the case of self-defense, the man barely escaped "punishment." Brothers, armed, in his house with an attempt to shoot him. And you are talking about machine guns to the population!

[chehywed]

And about the unpreparedness of the people to own weapons. The army is not called up candidates of science, but ordinary Russian gopniks. So what? Battalions and companies are having fights? Or they go to war against unwanted us. points "Cases of inadequate use of weapons in the Army are massive? But after returning home, yesterday's soldier turns into a" stupid person "who is not recommended to give a toothpick. WHO WANTS TO KILL, KILL ANYWHERE. And how to defend yourself with what? Carry a crowbar or a stool? Can you drive a policeman with you?

[raf]

Of course, not candidates of sciences are drafted into the army. But in the army, the concept of discipline is instilled in a person, in the army the soldier is under control almost 24 hours a day, and the soldier does not always have weapons with ammunition, but only when he goes on guard.

[chehywed]

Rough, are you talking about the Russian Army?

[raf]

I'm actually talking about the army. I don’t know if I lagged behind life, but when I served (1986_1988), it was like that.

[chehywed]

There is little. I served at the same time and in the same Army. And now the officers are paying tribute to the mountain conscripts. It was in the Far East.

[SAVA]

THIS EXACTLY, READ AND HAIR RISE UP WHAT THEY ARE WORKING WITH RUSSIA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??????????????

[Fantom75100]

To the point.

[bandabas]

But in Switzerland, almost everyone is a reservist, and keeps weapons at home. And for some reason I didn’t hear that there they danced lezginka on the streets, or they arrested the nevest. And such personnel in Western Europe are already in bulk. Maybe it’s not a mentality but the actions and principles of the state? From the RF, everything has long been clear.

[Owl]

In the country, the "power" is afraid of its people, this "power" (protected by the FSO) will never allow citizens to legally arm with short-barreled rifled weapons to protect them from attacks on the street by alcohol addicts, street criminals and "hot Caucasian guys."

[oper66]

judging by the statements, we divided into men and indoor wolf guys to be afraid of not going to the forest there, they will beat you here, you’ll be taken away

[Superduck]

what does it have to do with indoor ones, you are a specialist roughly speaking and know how to use a short-barrel rifled weapon correctly and are not afraid to get into a person. I don’t know how, I’m not trained, well, it so happened that I am not a policeman. Because the fact that most citizens do not have rifled is for me more equal rights than if everyone had one who wanted it. so far I have managed to defend myself and my family with my fists, this is enough for me. Moreover, among my friends who advocate the legalization of short-barrels, 80% suffer from inferiority complexes (this probably doesn’t apply to you, you just know what to do with the barrel). And now the last moment scares me, a pit bull was already pitting on me in order to realize this very complex, I don’t want to shoot me or my relatives for the same reason.
I’m not saying that any person who knows English poorly is apparently a stupid person just because I know him well and most do not. I just need it at work, so you need a trunk. And when I retire, I will still know English well, just as you still have good command of weapons.

[raf]

oper I’m not afraid of wolves, neither forest nor urban, and I’m not afraid to go to the forest.

[SAVA]

SORRY !? BUT YOU AS A PROVOCATOR JUDGMENT !!!! BOLD ?! "ONLY THE FOOL IS NOT AFRAID" IF YOU WORK IN THE POLICE MEANS YOU ALREADY INvented THAT BAD, ONLY THE PEOPLE LEFT TO CHEER !! ??? TRUTH- "NO ONE LIKES TRAITORS"

[raf]

I recently wrote here that I’m not afraid of anything. And now I realized that he answered as a kid whose name was called a coward. No, of course I'm afraid, because I have someone to fear for. I have a family, I have a son who needs to be raised! But still, I won’t run! In my life I realized that it’s senseless to run away anyway, it’s better to cripple at least one of these freaks

[SAVA]

RAF, BY THE WAY I HAVE OPERA66 REMINDING "ONLY THE FOOL IS NOT AFRAID"

[raf]

SAVA, I understood you correctly, I just corrected my comment

[PSih2097]

From the comments you can deduce one thing:
God may have made men, but Samuel Colt made them equa / God may have created people, but Samuel Colt made them equal.

[Dr. Mortimer]

In the Caucasus, in Abkhazia, for example! In each aul in the pigsty lie a couple of AK - 74s, and under the pillow are grandfather TTs and guns!
And no one shot anyone!

I am for the sale with two hands! For then the power will equalize the chances of criminals and their people!

A psychopath can kill with a knife and a bat and a piece of reinforcement!

[fantast]

We can not give a weapon in hand - we will start shooting

[PSih2097]

The question is what or to whom?

[Joker]

I watched the development of the topic and came up with such an idea (correct me if this is not so), mainly those who do not own weapons, but for those who have weapons (or experience dealing with them) are against it.

And phrases like “they’ll shoot each other,” leave the fucking Lebral. What I see, but I see around me the vast majority of prudent people, and I see a certain number of scumbags, abreks, sons, etc.

This is the nth number and is so armed, sometimes very well. And in order not to shoot from the short-barrel for nothing, it is necessary to carry a gas spray with you (ideally, of course, master the techniques of self-defense, but this is not about that).

[Joker]

I watched the development of the topic and such a thought came (correct me if this is not so), basically opposed are those who do not own weapons, but for those who have weapons (or experience handling them).

The conclusion from this is that those who understand what weapons are (and what a person kills and not a gun) are for, and those who are against - realize their fear no matter what happens.

And phrases like “all shoot each other,” leave the fucking liberals. What I see, but I see around me the vast majority of prudent people, and I see a certain number of scumbags, abreks, sons, etc.

This is the nth number and is so armed, sometimes very well. And in order not to shoot from the short-barrel for nothing, it is necessary to carry a gas spray with you (ideally, of course, master the techniques of self-defense, but this is not about that).

[raf]

Joker, you're wrong! I am against weapons, but not because I am realizing my fear! I just understand what a weapon is. Weapons in inept hands pose a danger to the owner himself, and to a greater extent to the people around him!

[Joker]

Learning is not so difficult. The law on weapons is already being toughened; courses can be introduced such as obtaining automobile rights.

[roninas]

That's just difficult. What can you teach on a monthly course? Weapons require a CONSTANT improvement in their possession. I have a weapon, plus by the nature of my occupation it is always handled, you think it’s very easy to a-evaluate the situation, b-get weapons, send the cartridge to the cartridge (because it is not proper to carry it with the cartridge in the cartridge chamber, although, of course, it’s not critical, and many violate it). And in all this in a situation of stress? It’s difficult, from experience, to tell even a trained person. I generally prefer not to carry the barrel , and make good use of the telescopic baton

[wasjasibirjac]

Article 222 of Part 4 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation cries for you with a telescopic baton.

[Uhalus]

In! The most reasonable saying! I agree!

[Taran Alexander]

Everyone has their own opinion and arguing here is useless. If a person is smart and has more than just a skull on his shoulders, then he will not wave a weapon drunk in a tavern, but if he has no brains, then there is no need for comment.... I am personally against arming the people, I have a teenage son and what It will happen if they get together in the evenings and brag about each other, and what if there’s a drunken brawl......

[Joker]

Nothing prevents the introduction of an age limit for short-barreled guns, for example from 25 years.

And for demonstrating a barrel just like that on the street - 1 time warning and a fine (5-10 thousand), 2nd time - liquidation of the license.

[wasjasibirjac]

It’s not the liquidation of the license, it’s the imprisonment for half a year, because you can’t just wave a gun in the street.

[PSih2097]

Conclusion, don’t open the gun cabinet in front of your son... and if you do, try to send him to the practical shooting club. Or airsoft... there, too, the brains are not bad.

[bandabas]

SuperDuck, you are right that killing is hard. I can, I’m trained, I think I can, but I didn’t have to. I would like to believe that my soul will never be calmer.

[Superduck]

I believe that the examples of the USA, Switzerland, Israel and other countries are inappropriate due to the absolute legal chaos in our country, fuck Russia or Ukraine, the problems are the same.
Everyone clearly understands that age restrictions, a certificate from a narcologist, and basic training will be decided stupidly for money, just as everything is being decided now. How many doctors have been jailed for issuing fake certificates to conscripts, drivers with epilepsy and drug addicts? We have a town near Kharkov called Chuguev (the birthplace of Repin), and so there is a lookout for the Chuguevsky district. A hare once gave his 11-year-old son a Mercedes Smart and he drove it to school through the entire regional center where the highway to Rostov and Gaitsev runs there like dirt. Or last year, at the opening of duck hunting, I was fishing and was accidentally shot at 10 times by hunters, and it’s good that the duck shot was light and didn’t pierce my PVC boat and windbreaker with a vest, but the hunters were completely drunk. Who controlled them? No, if they had wounded me, then of course they found out that they were drunk, only dozens of cops were roaming along the shore 2 hours before the opening, collected the dough and drove off. No one will control anything.
I’m not saying that people who advocate allowing short-barreled rifled rifles are by no means crazy; I myself regularly find myself in those places where I wouldn’t refuse this kind of equipment. But as soon as I think that my opponents will have similar equipment, I won’t bet a cent on myself; in order to withstand 2 pistols with a pistol you need to be really well prepared. At least now I’m sure that I can brush off any bladed weapon with an ax and good physical shape will most likely give me a head start, but as correctly pointed out above, Mr. Colt makes everyone equal, and the bullet is a fool, the ax is great.

[tomych]

I’ll say right away, I registered to leave a comment. Give weapons to the people! And it doesn’t matter whether it’s smooth or sliced. There would be no Kushchevka and even in the Sverdlovsk region. it was calm. And everyone knows the flaws of our government. If (nosed) athletes beat a Russian, this is a hooligan, on the contrary, interethnic strife. Local authorities have long been bought by various diaspora, not to mention those higher up. It’s also impossible to allow everyone in a row. And our authorities have always been against it. Anyone who wanted to buy imported pneumatics long ago, at point-blank range, grieve. While the authorities are sitting under a (nosed) cap, no matter what we say here, it’s empty nonsense.

[zczczc]

Guys, remember, did you need weapons during the USSR (in the European part of Russia)? No. Well, or practically not. And what would have been worse than it would have been now if everyone had been allowed to carry weapons? It was better then - tens of times, if not hundreds, safer. Especially under Stalin, as the older generation says, no one was afraid to send their children at night “to grandma” or somewhere else, if urgently needed. And now a faggot from the playground can steal some thread and then wave a weapon.

This is the answer to all the questions - security is the business of the STATE, otherwise why the hell does it take taxes and what does it even do? Security is the first priority of the state, more important than what to eat and where to live.

Why give you all a firearm? Yes, when there is not enough of him, some of the current bandits and the majority of the ordinary population will be afraid of a man with a gun, but 20 years will pass and all the dark personalities will initially calculate to the fact that those around them have guns, i.e. will be ready for this. And your trunks won’t be of much use, because... every tool requires training before using it, i.e. you need to wield a weapon BETTER than a bandit. Let’s compare the percentage of trained people among bandits and among everyone else - 90% among bandits and 15% among others, I think it’s somewhere around that.

So draw your own conclusions.

[PSih2097]

Security is a matter of the STATE, otherwise why the hell does it take taxes and what does it even do?

just for the sake of taxes, otherwise he doesn’t give a fuck...

Why give you all a firearm? Yes, when there is not enough of him, some of the current bandits and the majority of the ordinary population will be afraid of a man with a gun, but 20 years will pass and all dark personalities will initially count on the fact that those around them have guns, i.e. will be ready for this. And your trunks won’t be of much use, because... every tool requires training before using it, i.e. you need to wield a weapon BETTER than a bandit. Let’s compare the percentage of trained people among bandits and among everyone else - 90% among bandits and 15% among others, I think it’s somewhere around that.

This is not where you are wrong, in 20 years my future granddaughter, about 10 years old, will blow the brains out of the back of the head of any attacker (in an attack on an apartment or a house), this is with permission now, because if there are no shooting ranges with instructors, I’ll teach her myself...
And I think there are many people like me here...

[zczczc]

You see a “good” future for your granddaughter - blow your mind. Isn’t it better when people in uniform do this, and your granddaughter will play with dolls and get ready to give birth to children?

Well, this is where the ambush lies: the deliberately irresponsible state policy in the field of civil security leads to a military regime within the country like Brazil, where, as they say, gangs of children no longer surprise anyone.

Well, 10-year-old girls shouldn’t have to pick their brains. And 40 years too. Those. I’m never against your future granddaughter learning to use a weapon, but purely at the shooting range and for self-improvement. But the idea of ​​self-defense should remain ephemeral and far-fetched for her - figuratively speaking, “she’s done some shooting, but there’s nowhere to apply the acquired skills and knowledge.”

[SOLDIERru]

The problem is that the state in which we live despises and at the same time fears its people. However, these feelings are mutual. So, in this situation, the legalization of weapons is not a real thing.

[Dr. Mortimer]

Here a comrade remembered the USSR, maybe we can still remember the times of ION VASILIEVICH? We are talking about the 21st century specifically about the Russian Federation and the totalitarian tandem!

[SAVA]

SO GIVE US ONE!!?? PUTIN FOR EXAMPLE, LET THE UKRAINIAN FLEET SLOWLY CREATE, RAISE THE ARMY, WILL NOT SILENTLY LISTEN TO THE rudeness of EUROPE AND THE USA!?

[runway]

Take both, but without the stolen one.

[roninas]

What is it all America, America? Do you think everyone there has guns? Well, no! Mostly, it’s at home. This is firstly. Secondly, the culture of handling weapons is at least 200 years old. And thirdly, aren’t people in the states? The police strongly recommend that during a robbery you give up everything, without resistance? Some people say that the presence of weapons in the hands of citizens will make the criminal think, what if the victim has a weapon? Yes, they will think about it. And they will simply stupidly shoot first. Or hit him on the head from behind. And that’s all. What can someone do in a situation in front of a gun pointed at him, even if he has a weapon? Will you dashingly pull it out of your holster (pocket) and shoot everyone? So what the hell, the bandits will just have one more barrel

[raf]

It's amazing how we were affected by that! This is the second day I’ve been checking in and the comments still don’t end!

[SAVA]

THE COPS ARE TELLING US “BUY WEAPONS”!!! APPEARANTLY THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH APARTMENTS FOR ALCOHOLICS AND DRUG ADDICATORS, THEY NOW WANT TO LIVE IN APARTMENTS FOR KILLED AND SHOOTED PEOPLE, YOU SEE HOW THEY "SING" "LET'S ARMED!!!!" "WHAT WE ARE COWARDS", PROVOCATORS!!! GOD FORGIVE THEM!?

[Pol]

I myself thought about buying a smooth-bore gun... and I even return to this thought 3-4 times a year. But not for self-defense, not for hunting (although I want it badly... I don’t have time), but for the sake of possession, for the sake of confidence. For some reason there is some kind of “it must be” in my brain....
Weapons in war and in civilian life are very different things! Its presence at home does not mean its use!
God forbid... but there are no weapons except screwdrivers and kitchen knives... And I have a family...

[raf]

Pol, I understand you, my thoughts are racing! I would buy a pump-action, but it’s for home use. By the way, it’s not prohibited even now.

[Pol]

And the funny thing is this... When the thought of buying a weapon arises, I don’t think about its purpose, about its possible use... I treat it like buying an ordinary device - I read forums, reviews, analyze, select a model...
But, most importantly - on a subconscious level - there must be a weapon!!!

[zczczc]

There may be weapons in the village, because... In theory, there are wolves, bears (there were, in any case) and alien freaks (wow, this word is deleted as obscene), and the regional police department is 5 km away. A situation like Sagra, once it happens, should lead to a complete revision of the resettlement policy. At a minimum, nothing prevents, as in the USA, from asking the residents for consent before moving a new person in.

But in the city where the majority live, this is complete absurdity. If someone in the city needs a weapon, then this is a reason to think hard about power.

[chehywed]

Yes, passions have run high, and I personally have the opinion that supporters and opponents of gun permits, in principle, agree with their opponents.

[SAVA]

BECAUSE EVERYONE IS FUCKED WITH THE SAME PROBLEMS

[Vadimir.]

And if our beloved state makes such a decision, it does not mean that everyone will rush to buy weapons: firstly, this is a big responsibility, and secondly, the price is also a deterrent, and let’s hope that not all psychiatrists are so attached .

[SAVA]

THE BANDITS DEFINITELY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY WEAPONS, AND THE ORDINARY PEOPLE WILL REMAIN MOSTLY UNARMED AND WILL BE FOUND WITH REPORTS LIKE "GRANDMOTHER ATTACKED THE SECURITY OF A MAJOR BUSINESSMAN BUT WAS KILLED BY RETURN FIRE"

[tomych]

I myself am from KZ and now live in Russia. The authorities were bought by the Czechs even during the “stagnation” and not by local infiltrators, but by out-of-towners. In short, an ordinary skirmish in a cafe ended with two buses arriving from the regional center, showing who is boss in the country, without fittings and trunks

[Vadimir.]

But it’s not an article, then. People have been writing for so many days now. Apparently not in vain!

[gmajor]

Before allowing the carrying of short-barreled guns, it is necessary to change the laws (abolish the concept of necessary defense), replace all judges and cops. Otherwise, the person who shot the scumbag definitely becomes the accused.

[oper66]

necessary defense is a legal concept of a series of actions aimed at overcoming aggressive actions against the individual and the state. If you cancel the necessary defense, there will be complete lawlessness, but to include this concept in self-defense and pass a law on this topic is different and it provides for the right to privacy without waiting for active actions and receiving consequences. yes gmajor stop singing your favorite song of criminals and democrats of various stripes, the cops are to blame and you are pure white fluffy

[gmajor]

I don't dislike the cops. It’s just that at the exit we have an armed man and a corpse. There are no witnesses. There's no way he can prove that he's white and fluffy, just because he's alive and the attacker has lost interest.

[SAVA]

WHAT ARE YOU WHAT ARE YOU!!!?? WE ARE SCAMS AND YOU ARE WHITE AND FLUFFY SINCE 37, I ASK FOR A DIFFERENT OPINION!!???

[spok]

WHY DO YOU NEED WEAPONS!
- By this act, the government will prove its focus on the interests of the people, which refers to people not like cattle or electorate. A “signal” of trusting the people will be sent.

THE AUTHORITIES HAVE BEEN TREATING THE PEOPLE AS CANNOT FOR A LONG TIME
FULL LIE
- The armed people will be able in the event of any unrest (the sample of the beginning of the 17 century) to protect themselves and the Russian statehood, to organize themselves.

BUT NOT WITH THE HELP OF PISTOLS (AGAINST AUTOMATIC WEAPONS)
THE PEOPLE WILL NOT DEFEND THE CURRENT AUTHORITY
FULL LIE

- The arming of the people will be a factor deterring the potential aggression of our eastern and western "partners".

NO ONE IS SCARED OF POCKET GUNS VIRUS DON'T THINK YOU WILL BE HANDSED WITH MODERN PISTOLS
FULL LIE
AND NOW WHO NEEDS TO ARM THE PEOPLE?
BUY A SMOOTH BARREL AND PROTECT YOUR FAMILY AS MUCH AS YOU WANT

[Stiffmaister]

Can anyone explain to me why an officer or special forces soldier needs a GRENADE LETTER??? What about light armored vehicles for the Cossacks?

[wasjasibirjac]

you need a grenade launcher to fight off the Cossacks in tanks.

[Forward]

I don’t know who it is, but I’m for weapons. As was rightly noted, bandits and various criminal personalities are still armed. And an honest citizen, in the face of danger and lawlessness, can only rely on the police, who very rarely help. The psychology of any criminal is simple, and he will never attack unless he is sure that his opponent is not armed.

[Joker]

PS - another argument for:

On the weekend, driving past the store, I saw a fight and decided to call the police. The time was around 00:00, I don’t think there was much excitement at that time. I called for about 10-15 minutes (I'm serious).

If he had attacked someone, he would have already been “butchered.” Having a weapon on occasion can become an argument if you decide to help someone.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: oper66

yes gmajor stop singing your favorite song of criminals and democrats of various stripes, the cops are to blame and you are pure white fluffy

gmajor, continue. And to you, the hero of operas, I will say this: you stand up for weapons and so on only in order to strain yourself less. They would go to places of showdowns and incidents, grab everyone and cut off the loot. And a normal citizen in our time will think 100 times before bowing... because for the police gentlemen, the reform has only increased the stakes. And so is everything.

[gmajor]

I am for the sale of pistols and revolvers, because no normal person would take out a gun without a reason. And the abnormal one... I think the heads of the LLR should make a decision to allow / not to allow only after the conclusion of a psychologist.

[oper66]

Dear opponents, I looked at your comments and I don’t understand what and who I’m provoking as a retiree of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, for reference, I’ve been retired since 2004, a major worked as an operative, a threat was the beginning of a department, a business trip experience of 1 year 9 months in the Czech Republic, a term in the military cadet, I was a participant in the events of 1988 in Armenia, if anyone remembers area airport I have 4 skin injuries 2 concussions I taught my son to shoot from the age of 5 with a submachine gun he served in reconnaissance about he is not afraid only a fool the truth is the first two weeks you get dizzy then you get used to it and in the last days when it’s time to go home he chews his ass but we are men and we must understand that we normal people need weapons for self-defense, I had a weapon in constant use for 20 years, I used to shoot bottles with friends while drinking, and use it only strictly in designated areas, no one says to distribute weapons to everyone, the selection must be cruel for those who are worthy and confiscation from violators. 1966 from the year of my birth opera specialty

[SAVA]

AN INTERESTING THING HAPPENS AS YOU CAN’T MEET A RETIRED COP THE SAME “SONG” SAYS “I’M GOOD, I’M FORCED TO LEAVE, BECAUSE I CAN’T LOOK AT THIS CASUALTY”, OR “I WAS SET UP, I WAS HONEST” CATCHING THE BANDITS AND I WAS GUIDED BY THE VER HU MAY LET GO I DIDN'T LET GO AND THEY "EATED" ME, IT'S YOU JUST CAN'T HEAR YOURSELF FROM THE SIDE!!!! WHERE ARE ARTICLES ABOUT THE "ROOFS" OF TURNERS PUBLISHED AROUND THE WORLD??? IN ANY CITY??? WHERE DO THE LOADERS "HOLD" THE CITY?????? JUST START LISTING. ALTHOUGH IT’S TOO WORSE WITHOUT YOU!! SO YOU LIVE, PITCHING YOUR “INITITS” AND PROVOCATORS AGAINST PEOPLE!!! THERE WERE NOT SORRY FOR THE CHILDREN IN THE 90S!!!!! DID YOU CONTROL EVERYONE WITH DRUGS, GOT A LITTLE RICH!!??

[chehywed]

SAVA, but there were honest workhorses in the police who did their job and didn’t lick the boss’s ass. Apparently the police didn’t take them.

[SAVA]

HOW DID THE POLICE NOT TAKE THIS!? AND WHO DID THEY TAKE???!!!PUSHKIN SOMETHING!!!??? IN THE 90'S THEY WERE OPERATORS AND IN THE 2000'S THE HEADS OF THE ATC ETC., ETC. WERE HONEST UNTIL THE 90'S, AND THEN OF COURSE WHO LIVED AS MUCH AS THEY COULD, DESPITE THE EMAILS, THEM KUSHCHEVSKAYA!! ! AND SAGRA!!!! ON THE EPAILORS

[chehywed]

So, apparently not the best, if in 2 weeks the police were caught selling drugs and taking bribes. But someone took them by the ass? Maybe competitors...

[SAVA]

SO PLEASE TELL ME THEM THAT A SMALL SALARY MADE THEM TRADE DRUGS!!?? I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THEIR COMPETITORS, PROBABLY THEY ARE PREPARING FOR ANOTHER 90’S, THEN THEY WILL “RAISE” THESE COPS THE GANG WILL SELECT THEM FOR THEM GOODLY THEY HAVE SOMEONE FROM YOU TAKE, PLUS OLD CONNECTIONS AND GO LET'S GO, THEN THEY AGAIN CAPTURE SOMEONE'S STARS FOR THEIR EMAILS AND THESE ARE LOOT AND EVERYTHING IS OKAY, WITH THEM AND WE WILL ARGUE!

[oper66]

Sava, I don’t praise myself, but you, hiding your face and hiding behind a dummy, can only throw out nasty things, so I think, yes, you’re probably from the liberal shit-cratic Jewish drain and it’s hurting me that I didn’t finish my retirement so early, it’s not your merit that you’re not in prison and mine is not a modification, but you will find yours yourself

[SAVA]

READ MY COMMENTS "Pathfinder" AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHO I AM, BUT WHEN WE ARE EQUAL, YOU HAVE NOTHING AGAINST MY FACTS EXCEPT THREATS AND CURSE, YOU SEE HOW YOU SING HOW OFFENSED YOU BECOME, BUT I AM NOT OFFENSIVE, I HAVE HALF OFF RUZEI FROM DRUGS DIED, WHAT ARE YOU DOING AT THIS TIME!!!!?????? IF YOU ARE SO SMART AND CAPABLE GO TO SAGRA PROTECT YOUR FELLOW CITIZENS, GO TO KUSCHEVSKAYA!!!! AND REMEMBER “UNFIRMED” WHAT I WRITTEN, ALL PEOPLE KNOW THIS AND ARE TALKING ABOUT IT, AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU HEARD!!!???? HOW DO YOU KNOW THE PROBLEMS OF THE COMMON PEOPLE!!!!!!!!! YOU HAVEN'T JAILED EVERYONE YET!!!! I WILL NOT INSULT YOU OR THREATEN YOU YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU ARE!!!!!)))))))

[sirToad]

Well, my friend, I immediately suspected my colleague!

[Barbarian]

There is a proverb:
Caps Lock is a weapon of a degenerate in the fight for individuality

[diaxod]

Since 1917, our people have been purposefully made -removed-. Both the authorities and Western intelligence services have a hand in this. And no one remembers that before 17, weapons (from rifled rifles to pistols and revolvers) could be ordered by mail (I even had such a pre-revolutionary catalog as a child), and permission was given by the local gendarme. Until the end of the 50s, all Armed Forces officers carried weapons. By the way, the identity card even has such a column - “carrying personal weapons is allowed.” I’m generally silent about the Cossacks - training began at the age of 12. We need to raise the self-awareness of the people. So what if some -remotely- are shot along the way. We still have more normal people, and this can be seen from the discussion. It is not a fact that the authorities will agree to pass the law. She will simply be afraid, because it is easier to control morons.

[sirToad]

Before owning a weapon, learn how to handle it “but if... yes I would everyone... etc.” If you give it a trunk, a ram will not become a wolf, but will simply be an armed ram. and weapons must be treated as tools. dangerous tool. otherwise I’ll see a lot of those who think that if they have a gun they will automatically become a hero. The fact of the matter is that this means that a person’s hands are simply itching - to apply. and human psychology is such that he always finds an excuse for himself. I’ll tell you about myself - after military service, I worked for 6 years in the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the teaching staff, BON and the duty unit; the service fell just in the early-mid 90s. repeatedly had to participate in the arrests of swindlers. incl. and armed. and I am proud that I have NEVER used a service mark. I had to get it out, resend the cartridge, but nothing more. So think about it (I’m addressing those who dream of a gun): are you ready (morally) to shoot at a person, even the most disgusting one in your opinion, from a distance when you see his eyes? If you are ready and don’t start to get hysterical when he starts blowing bloody bubbles in front of you, then why the hell do you even need a gun? The main weapon is, first of all, will...

[zavesa01]

In the USA there is a good saying: “It is better to have 12 judge than to carry four.” The difference between a free person and a slave is that a person has the right to defend himself, but a slave asks for the protection of his master. Among my friends there are no such people who can just start shooting, if you have such friends, please accept my condolences. Tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are.

[VALENOK]

First, solve the problem with alcoholism, then with drug addiction, then with ethnic groups, and racketeering, then get permission from the administration to expand the cemetery territories. If before the suckers simply broke your nose in the entrance, then later they will shoot your head off for a cheap mobile phone. Because they have not yet learned how to raise children, and your neighbor, no matter how schizophrenic he is, will shoot from the windows at kindergartens, but you will sit at home and sit under yourself, reassuring yourself that I have a gun, and they were just unlucky. For defense, even now you can buy a gun quite legally, the main thing is that your neighbor does not have one.

[Iskra]

what a scumbag experience this is

what kind of anxiety is this?

what a scumbag experience this is

[Iskra]

felt boots, well, really, felt boots compared a short-barreled gun to a gun, the defender of bandits and rapists from hunger, otherwise they will swell

[VALENOK]

Arming the population is not the fight against crime, it is its aggravation. The USA has one of the most armed societies in the world, and also the highest crime rate. We already had experience when in Odessa after the war years the population had weapons in their hands, you probably remember how it all ended. : the world used to be divided into strong and weak, but grandfather COLT equalized everyone: LSKR, think about it, the attacker will always have more chances than the defender, which means the losses will no longer be broken noses, but human lives.

[Iskra]

What is the difference between a felt boot and a Citizen from a Slave? A citizen has every right to a weapon. A Slave does not have the right to a weapon. If the State is afraid of its own citizens, then of course it will not allow weapons, but if a miracle happens and still allows it, then the situation will be the same as right now, the criminal always has more the more right his victim is, the more the criminal does not think about the law, and the victim must still arrange a consultation on how to use the gun without exceeding the limits of self-defense, so I am not only for the legalization and lebarization of the law on weapons, but also the simplification of the law on self-defense, Citizens should sound proud, everyone the bandit must know that the victim can snap with the gun and let him think about his miserable existence.

[Iskra]

A free civil society must have any kind of weapon other than weapons of mass destruction “we are not slaves”. In the event of an enemy attack on our state, you can join the militia with him to defend law and order and will not have to be afraid that they will blow up warehouses with weapons and use sticks and stones against tanks you will have to go, and besides, tyrants and despots will no longer want to have fun with their own citizens and swagger their weapons, and then thousands of guns will appear on you and show the despot in his place in a prison cell, and this will give the citizens a tool to control the authorities and the authorities will do everything for of their people so that citizens do not present their demands to them on all issues. Free citizens are prohibited from owning weapons only by those who are afraid of their people, who want to turn free people into cattle, slaves. And whoever has the weapon is in the security forces, so they are free in their actions and know that the cattle will not respond to their lawlessness with anything and the cattle will tremble and moo in their kitchen

[Evnon]

when attacked by a villain, I won’t even think about his life and will do everything possible for my own safety, and the faster I do this, the faster he will die (even if they put me in jail for this).

[lightforcer]

Buy hunting or traumatic weapons. I advise short-barreled shooters to learn how to file down the front sight.

[VALENOK]

Quote: Iskr

A free civil society should have any weapons other than weapons of mass destruction "we are not slaves."

lskr You will automatically become a slave as soon as society arms itself and your master will be in the hands of a neighbor, who, for example, will be dissatisfied with how you parked your car at the entrance, and no matter how much you talk about a free society now, I’ll tell you only one thing, I’ve seen enough on the so-called free citizens who are truly free from everything, including basic humanity, and giving such people gifts in the form of weapons is the same as giving Chikatile a set of wood carving tools.

[Barbarian]

a bit of history:
“People of various provinces are strictly prohibited from owning swords, short swords, bows, spears, firearms and other weapons. Such possession of weapons makes it difficult to collect taxes and duties and contributes to the emergence of uprisings” (Toyotomi Hideyoshi, shogun, 1588).

“No slave shall keep or carry arms unless he has the written order of his master, or is in the presence of his master.” (Virginia Slave Bill, 1779)

[Artist]

We are not slaves. Rusich has always been free!

[Artist]

Having served in the army, you have the right to arms. It is imperative that the police at the place of residence know who has what and in what quantities. Retraining - the district commander is also the commander, each yard has its own platoon commander. There will be order!