Underground struggle against the USSR after the end of the Second World War

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The end of the Second World War was a turning point for the life of the Russian emigration. In Eastern Europe and Northern China, the Soviet secret services conducted large-scale arrests. True, it cannot be said that they “took” everyone, first of all they arrested those who had already fled under Soviet rule; from the “old emigration” those who were not seen in anti-Soviet acts were not touched. Those who collaborated with the Germans and the Japanese, prominent White Guards, members of anti-Soviet political organizations were arrested.

In Prague, the leadership of the Labor Peasant Pariah (TKP) was arrested, and documents were found in its archives that indicated leaks of top-secret information from the Kremlin at the end of the 1930s. However, it was not possible to find out through which channels she was walking - TKP leader AL Bem, during interrogation, committed suicide by jumping out of the window. More than a hundred activists of the People’s Labor Union (NTS) were arrested.

Part of emigration under the influence of the victories of the Red Army and the diplomatic successes of the USSR revised their attitude towards Soviet power. PN Milyukov (leader of the cadets in the Russian Empire) in 1943, before his death, wrote an article that had a great influence on Russian minds. He noted the merits of the Soviet government - the strengthening of statehood, the creation of a powerful army, the development of the national economy. Another cadet, deputy II-IV State Duma, former ambassador of the Provisional Government in France V. Maklakov and sociologist P. Sorokin developed the theory of "convergence", thinking that there would inevitably be a convergence in political-economic and social forms between the powers of the anti-Hitler coalition.

When the Soviet Embassy was opened in Paris after his release, Maklakov, former Minister of the Provisional Government Verderevsky, Deputy Chairman of the Russian All-Military Union (EMRO) Admiral Kedrov visited him, saying: “The Soviet Union won, Russia is saved, and the whole world is saved. The new statehood and the new army turned out to be unusually steadfast and strong, and I gratefully welcome them and their leaders. ” The Soviet ambassador A.S.Bogomolov, in turn, expressed his praise to the Russian emigrants: “We could have expected that the Germans used emigration in the struggle against Russia, but this did not happen. Those who went to the service of the Nazis, was relatively small. On the contrary, in different countries emigration showed its sympathy for the Soviet people. ”

In honor of the Victory, Moscow took conciliatory steps towards Russian immigration: the Presidium of the Supreme Council announced an amnesty, gave the right to obtain Soviet citizenship to those who had Russian citizenship before November 7 1917 of the year. The same right was given to people who lost their Soviet citizenship, and their children. But few actually decided to return to the USSR, so in France they expressed their readiness to receive Soviet citizenship of 11 thousand people, but only 2 thousand left for the USSR. Most, even after receiving citizenship, chose to stay abroad, there was a familiar environment, a circle of acquaintances, yes and there was a distrust of the amnesty.

For those who remained abroad, the main pivot of their existence has disappeared - the preservation of the “old Russia”. The war has shown that the USSR is strong, as never before, and is not going to crumble. The theory of "convergence" is also not justified. As a result, organizations of emigrants began to turn into clubs of interest, their children quickly assimilated, becoming French, Americans, British, etc., completely losing the Russian mentality.

But in the course of the war another wave of emigration spilled out abroad - some of the former prisoners, “Ostarbeiters”, refugees, nationalists, Vlasovites, fighters of various collaborationist units left in the West remained in the West. The exact figure of this "wave" is unknown, they say about 100 thousand people. These people had a completely different psychology than the emigration of the “first wave”. They did not live by hopes of return, saving the “old Russia”, they, on the contrary, tried to become “non-Russian” faster - Canadians, French, Americans, etc. Therefore, the process of their assimilation went much faster.

Their anti-Soviet organizations were completely oriented toward the West, primarily in the United States. They didn’t ask themselves the question whether their activities would harm the Russian people and the Russian statehood. The Russian service of Voice of America was headed by a defector, a Soviet diplomat and intelligence officer who fled to the West, Barmin, and was accepted into the Office of Strategic Services (the future of the CIA). Under the patronage of the United States and its NATO partners, various Russian national anti-Soviet organizations are being created. But information warfare became the main activity, powerful radio stations were targeted against the USSR: Voice of America, Air Force, Svoboda, Free Europe. Attempts were made to transfer campaign materials in the USSR to the garrisons of Soviet soldiers located in Eastern Europe.

By 1948, the formerly crushed NTS had restored its structures, strengthening the ranks due to the “second wave” of emigration. Found finances for the publication of the newspaper "Echo", "News"Magazine" Sowing "," Edge ". The union changed its ideology in the direction of the West, so, by the “people's labor system” they began to understand the Western democratic system. Then its own radio station, Free Russia, was opened. To work among the Soviet soldiers were established campaign centers in Germany and Austria. Similar activities were carried out in large ports where Soviet vessels entered. Since 1951, there has been a throw in the USSR, with the help of air balloons, millions of leaflets, newspapers, hundreds of thousands of magazines, brochures. The Soviet secret services responded: several NTS activists were kidnapped in Berlin and Vienna and convicted for various terms of imprisonment. Agents were introduced into the ranks of this organization, several times they blew up the building where the radio station and “Posev” publishing house were located. But the NTS turned out to be good patrons - the attempts on the leaders failed, information leaks occurred, agents were exposed.


They tried to throw groups in the USSR, with the help of the Americans and the special services of the US allies. Most of the groups were caught, but some were able to settle down and start clandestine activities. For underground workers, the chairman of the NTS, VD Poremsky, developed a "molecular theory." It was recognized that it was impossible to create large groups of underground members in the USSR, but it was possible to create a multitude of "molecules". They will not be connected with each other and foreign centers, so the failure of one “molecule” will not entail the collapse of the entire network. The main methods of work of the “molecule” are “small” forms, propaganda among friends, acquaintances, relatives, distribution of literature. As a result, these “molecules” should have corroded the body of the USSR. Such “molecules” were created not only by abandoned activists, but by people who survived in the USSR, who, after listening to Radio Free Russia, decided by “self-acceptance” to join the NTS.

Situation in the USSR

The conditions for anti-Soviet propaganda after the war were quite good - there were grandiose migrations of the population, many people were cut off from their usual life, place of residence, the old circle of acquaintances, etc. Millions of people - soldiers, prisoners of war, “Ostarbeiters” - became acquainted with Western life, their views on life, their way of life. And Marxism-Leninism, as an ideology, did not have the most powerful immunity against external influences. A part of the intelligentsia (especially the creative ones) had hopes for a weakening of the regime, relaxation, rapprochement with the West. This was largely due to the fact that “greenhouse” conditions were actually created for the intelligentsia, compared to ordinary people. They lived more satisfyingly, had all sorts of benefits, valued them, protected them, they had access to foreign films, books, the opportunity to visit abroad, and as a result, many had the impression of their being chosen and exclusive. They wanted to continue the “banquet” - foreign “freedoms”.

But it was necessary again to “mobilize” the economy, the population (for the third time, first the years of industrialization and collectivization, then the war) for the rapid restoration of the country. As a result, in the second half of the 40-s, youth opposition circles and organizations were opened in Leningrad, Moscow, and Voronezh. Their views were similar to the positions of the opposition crushed in 20-30-s, they were for communism, but without “Stalinism”. Those who denied communist values ​​altogether were few.

Stalin responded by campaigning against "servility to the West," and actively began to promote the achievements of Russian science, culture and art. A. Zhdanov personally led the work with the creative intelligentsia, many considered him the successor to the leader. Subjected to criticism pleased works, including Zoshchenko, Akhmatova. But no one was repressed - they wanted to make a “warning”, to return discipline to loose ranks.

Nationalists

Supported by Western intelligence services and nationalists - the war ended, but for several years there was a “forest war” in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Ukraine. Washington did not officially support the Bandera movement, because considered him "not democratic", placing this function on the "junior partner" - the British.

It was beneficial for the West to support “popular resistance” - the USSR spent considerable forces and means on fighting it, instability was maintained in the western regions, in the Western media it was possible to talk about “resistance of the people” to the Soviet regime. Only after the establishment of communist regimes in Czechoslovakia and Poland in 1947-1948 did it become possible to suppress the UPA movement, whose gangs were hiding from large raids in adjacent territories.

Underground struggle against the USSR after the end of the Second World War


Gulag

It was in the post-war period, and not in the famous 1937-1938 years, that the GULAG system reached its maximum - its “population” reached 2,5 million people. Has grown at the expense of "Vlasov", "Bandera", Baltic "forest brothers", various kinds of collaborators. And you need to know that the majority of the prisoners of the camps and prisons of the USSR were not “political”, but ordinary criminals. A big war always leads to a surge in crime. After the war, the USSR quite successfully “cleared” of bandits, marauders, profiteers, thieves, rapists, hooligans, prostitutes. And very quickly and effectively - putting an end to the myth that the "mafia is immortal." Soviet citizens could now walk through the streets of cities at any time of the day, without fear of being killed, robbed, raped.

In the 1948 year, in order to single out the most dangerous element, they created special regime camps, "hard labor". But in the same year, the conditions of detention in all the camps were dramatically softened — they began to feed better, and occupational safety measures were introduced to save labor. The labor of prisoners, plus the labor of contingents of captured Germans and Japanese contributed to the rapid recovery of the country.

Further actions of the West

Western intelligence services worked in all possible directions, undermining the Red Empire - they supported open anti-communism, neo-Trotskyism, nationalism, were born historical myths directed against Russia-USSR. In 1948, the UN adopted the Declaration of Human Rights, the game began on the "human rights".

They tried to influence through Western standards of consumption - its visible abundance, material wealth, convenience. In the end it is weapon It became practically the most effective - the Soviet people were put into “sausage”, which is not surprising, the ideology of Marxism-Leninism, replaced by expediency under Stalin, could not protect the consciousness of Soviet people from this viral program. It was during this period that the famous 20 / 1 US NSC memorandum from 18 August 1948 was adopted, which was an analytical document prepared at the request of Secretary of Defense James Forrestal on the long-term goals of US policy towards the Soviet Union (it is also called the Allen Dulles plan).


Allen Welch Dulles.

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  1. ballian
    -8
    10 August 2011 11: 59
    I read similar propaganda texts - all the enemies around are trying to save Russia and drive Russia into the grave, and what does the USSR and Soviet special services do? And he is white-fluffy and just defends himself from enemies and more no-no.
    Well, and the degree of reliability - for example - the British here allegedly "supported" the Bandera movement - and with what exactly? Specifically, nothing. ,etc...
    1. 0
      10 August 2011 18: 36
      about examples of specific cooperation of Bandera with inost. special sleeves can be read for example here:
      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Операция_«Аэродинамик»
      1. ballian
        -6
        10 August 2011 20: 15
        And without you everyone knows how to read the Aerodynamics Wikipedia - once again, what exactly did Bandera’s help with - drop their weapons? Created training camps? ...
        Nothing of the kind. Bandera relied only on domestic resources.
  2. +4
    10 August 2011 14: 58
    Balian, and what did the Poles do here under the leadership of the batoria, and why did the Turks constantly only fight with us four times in the 4th century, and Napoleon, and Hitler that they all visited us, and the Dalas doctrine is really a defensive strategy.
    it’s just our original enemies, no matter how it sounds, but Russia, Russia, the USSR is something that the West does not really digest and is afraid of, trying to subdue ...
    1. enikey
      +3
      10 August 2011 15: 57
      the whole mistake of the USSR is that they endured all these "information attacks" of the West, only defended themselves, which led to complete isolation from the world, and as a result to collapse, the best defense is an attack.
      1. ballian
        -7
        10 August 2011 16: 20
        Nonsense, my friend, are you telling you how old ?? - The USSR was tightening all the nuts it could possibly be so that "western" information would not penetrate into the USSR - And it isolated itself from the rest of the world. - And what helped?

        And the USSR attached great importance to the promotion of its "way of life." Does the word "foreign broadcasting" tell you anything? Or "'Moscow Radio'. Which was listened to in 77 languages ​​in 160 countries.?. Google ..... Where is the result?
        1. svvaulsh
          0
          10 August 2011 16: 25
          And what's so surprising about that? the United States conducted its propaganda, the USSR - its own.
          1. ballian
            -1
            10 August 2011 16: 36
            Well, I say - it's not surprising - but somehow they didn't really want to turn to "our" faith.
    2. ballian
      -6
      10 August 2011 15: 58
      1) As for Dulless - US National Security Service Memorandum 20/1 dated August 18, 1948 - the "Dulles plan" has nothing to do with Dulles and the notorious fake - this is due to the illiteracy of the person who wrote the text (or rather, who copied the texts of "literature") There is nothing aggressive there - rather toothless document in the framework of the "cold" war "of two systems.
      2) Does the doctrine of "world revolution" and the spread of "the most just social order" around the planet tell you anything?
      Type on the Internet a picture of the coat of arms of the USSR and once again carefully look at this coat of arms - do you not see anything strange there? :) But the coat of arms is semantic and not just a picture.
      3) As for Batoria, Ivan the Terrible started the war with the Livonian Order and its allies. It is not surprising that the hostilities rolled from Livonia and Lithuania back to Russia in the form of Batory. Where you see Napoleons and Hitlers in the West right now - I won’t know
      Even Kurginyan, in his cover story, broadcasts that the West doesn't give a damn about Russia, on the contrary, Russia is important as a counterweight to China,
      1. +1
        13 August 2011 00: 28
        That is, the West wants to pit Russia and China? Loving what.
        1. SAVA
          0
          13 August 2011 00: 38
          WHY ONLY CHINA? THERE ARE STILL TURKEY, POLAND WITH ROMANIA, JAPAN
  3. Dovmont
    +4
    10 August 2011 17: 16
    The Soviet Union should have cut aid to its numerous "friends" - parasites in Asia, Africa, Latin America, and in Europe too. Our engineers built industrial giants, logistics, social and cultural facilities on all continents for ridiculous money. Military equipment was often handed over for free and in large batches, and often they themselves fought on it under false names. And how many food products were distributed to Papuans around the world, although grocery stores themselves were sparkling with empty counters? More than 10 billion more Soviet rubles were distributed by the commies in the form of loans to the "people's democracies." Most of this amount was then written off by Russia, the remaining crumbs were restructured for long periods. If even half of these resources went to the good of the people, look and Eltsin would not break through to power, and the Union would remain united and indivisible.
  4. +1
    10 August 2011 17: 22
    Well, if I remind you that the Livonian Order was originally located (probably from the time of Oleg) and was under the influence of Russia, and only the weakening at the beginning of the XIII brought the order here, with its good mission of preaching to the poor pagans, then the Livonian war should be in a different perspective to be considered, but the fact that Batory belonged (albeit informally) to the Jesuit Order, and his military operations were rather considered in Europe as a crusade against heretics. Regarding the doctrine of the world revolution, it was this doctrine that at one time forced the elites in the West to change labor laws , build a welfare society, etc.
    There is nothing secret about the coat of arms, the superpower had the right to do so, this is probably the only example in history when a state of such power, coming to the so-called third world (Asia, Africa), began to build schools, roads, factories, doctors fought diseases, Supplied food, Can for example remember how Britain "missionary" By the way on the coat of arms the hammer and sickle, not the sword and lasso.
    1. ballian
      -3
      10 August 2011 20: 28
      Emae what "influence" is meant? Punitive campaigns of the Kiev princes for collecting tribute to the tribes of the Balts and Estonians several centuries ago? And what ??? Well, you have found a "reason" -. Even Ivan the Terrible did not reach such thoughts /
      In general, to look for the right and the guilty in ancient wars is ridiculous. Then there were different concepts.
      The emblem of the USSR appeared in the year 1923 — when the USSR was by no means a superpower — but the emblem itself didn’t steeper.
  5. mitrich
    +4
    10 August 2011 19: 05
    I don’t understand what the BALIAN did not like? Throughout their lives, the Western intelligence services have been dirty to both the USSR and Russia, supported the separatists in the Baltic states and Western Ukraine after the war, and conducted reconnaissance flights over our then united country. Not knowing this is simply embarrassing, these are obvious and long-proven things. Pilot Powers, for example, was shot down near Sverdlovsk. Did a lot of ours fly over the USA? Yes, if this happened, the amers full pants would happen. There they were, like the Caribbean crisis scared ...
    The author quite reliably described everything.
    1. ballian
      -6
      10 August 2011 20: 41
      HOW did separatists support the Baltic states and Ukraine? Well, perhaps they did not recognize the capture of the Baltic states of the USSR in the 40 year - well, of course - the Balts were simply delighted with such great support.
      The Powers spy pilot, for your information, was exchanged for the Soviet spy in the USA, Rudolf Abel (real name of William Fischer) - there is no difference between the activities of both.
      1. Marat
        +3
        11 August 2011 00: 21
        Almost every state has a residency like Abel, but only these "democrats" can brazenly violate the airspace and fly over foreign territory
        Thank God even though we have developed air defense - so far the remnants of the air defense of the USSR do not allow them to limit in our sky. They understand only power.
        1. ballian
          -6
          11 August 2011 11: 41
          You know - not everyone has it.
          And he is spying even from an airplane even from the ground - it makes no difference.
          In all countries this is a crime in the grave category - and Abel is not a simple spy but has stolen the secrets of the American atomic bomb - compare it with Powers - Powers is just a small, harmless bipod compared to Abel.
          1. Ivan35
            +2
            11 August 2011 17: 21
            No Powers are a bastard - but an arrogant, confident impunity gangster (the same as his relatives bombing Vietnam and Serbia Iraq and Libya, etc., etc.) - but we are not Libya - get a rocket ground-air right into your American ass!
            And Abel is a hero! If not for the likes of him and our scientists and military - we would have received an atomic bomb in order to "democratize" - the Pindos would not even think about it - only force can stop them.
            1. ballian
              -2
              12 August 2011 07: 47
              Quote: Ivan35
              only power can stop them.

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              You will be surprised - but the Americans thought about the USSR exactly the same thing.
  6. svvaulsh
    +1
    10 August 2011 21: 00
    And because of what is fuss? Ordinary geopolitics. Someone more than a patriot, someone grabbed Western propaganda. The USSR lost the ideological war, and therefore collapsed during a binge in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. But we must remember that we all come from the USSR, and to find fault with the Motherland is ugly!
  7. mitrich
    +3
    10 August 2011 22: 21
    Dear Mr. BALLIAN,
    I am not a teacher and you are not a student. I'll tell you a story: one evening, two years ago, the doorbell rang. I open, on the doorstep there are two young men of 18-20 years old, polite to the point of cloying. "May I ask you a few questions?" Allowed, deciding to post, because it was boring. It turned out: the evangelists of something there, came to fool me into their faith. The banter didn't work, because I didn't see any spark of reason in them. Those. they moved, of course, and made sounds with their mouths, but everything I told them simply did not reach their consciousness. They didn't give a shit about my opinion, it just didn't exist for them. It ended with the fact that both had to be impolite to take by the frail scruffs of the neck and let them down the drain, in the sense of the stairs.
    Why am I writing this to you? Because you, of course, an adult husband, probably do not need my opinion, like any other, different from yours. Your position is formed and impenetrable like reinforced concrete.
    I can only advise reading Sannikov’s books, perhaps they are on the Internet and even more likely. He is a direct participant in the post-war events in Western Ukraine and gives all the layouts that interest you with full knowledge of the matter.
    As for Powers - Abel (Fisher). I wrote about what, do you understand? Intelligence has always existed, and the USSR (Russia) is no exception. Here are just Soviet planes (with unknown cargo) NEVER plowed the skies of America along the route Anchorage - Dallas and further south. Here, as they say, feel the difference.
    All the best...
  8. - = 999 = -
    0
    11 August 2011 00: 01
    The most interesting thing is that we are all little men. And some bad people will ruin us and all the time thousands die because of nonsense and 2-3 reptiles who think they are navels of the earth are to blame.
  9. LESHA pancake
    +1
    11 August 2011 17: 29
    THIS YANKS TO US DEMOCRACY BY AIR DELIVER TRYING DID NOT GET CAPTURE
  10. mitrich
    0
    11 August 2011 17: 48
    Fantast
    some kind of "flood protection" eats the comment just written.
    1. LESHA pancake
      0
      11 August 2011 17: 55
      THIS IS NOT A FLOOD THIS ADMINISTRATOR Eats
      1. 0
        13 August 2011 00: 48
        Gluttonous spruce!
  11. SAVA
    +1
    11 August 2011 23: 53
    US (USSR) TAKEN AS INDIANS FOR THE MIRROR AND BEADS, THE DIFFERENCE IS ONLY THAT WE TAKEN JEANS AND AUDIO-VIDEO EQUIPMENT, THAT THERE'S FOR INCIDENTAL REASONS, THE LIGHT INDUSTRY WOULD NOT WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING VAZ "TO CREATE CARS IS NOT WORSE JAPANESE ??? 21-CENTURY WHAT HINDERS TO PRODUCE COMPUTERS IN RUSSIA NOW OR UKRAINE ?????
    1. ballian
      -2
      12 August 2011 07: 40
      The answer is obvious - the socio-political system multiplied by the culture of society.
      The same West a few centuries ago pulled sharply forward in development due to a change in its socio-political structure compared with the Middle Ages. (The Soviet Marxist version is still widespread here - they say they robbed the colonies and began to develop - but any fool knows - in the East there were also full of invading states that they plundered from neighboring states, but they simply devoured - just like we do now - there is a wild amount of oil and, accordingly, money and resources for development - but no development)
      1. SAVA
        0
        13 August 2011 00: 33
        balian, WEST THAT RUNNING FOREVER FORWARD, ESPECIALLY WHEN NEGORS IN THE 60S OF THE 20TH CENTURY WERE NOT LAUNCHED FORWARD ON THE BUSES, USING THEIR WORK AS A FREE CHAIR. FORCE. GREED FOR ENRICHMENT, THE WEST BROUGHT TO WHAT FORWARD IT WAS THE SAME THERE AND KILLED IF WE WERE NOT DESTROYED THE UNION WE WOULD SURVIVE, IN AN ENCLOSED SPACE AND SO WE WILL BE EASY TO BE FOLLOWED EASY OF YOUR DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY !!
    2. Marat
      +1
      13 August 2011 00: 12
      SAVA - do not listen to nonsense and nonsense - again, the "democrat and liberal" balian will sing to you that we have little culture and a bad Soviet system
      Take the time - read Andrey Parshev "why Russia is not America" ​​- read any of the books by Sergei Kara Murza about how they lied to us about the inefficiency of the Soviet economy during perestroika and helped to destroy the USSR - now again the same songs
      In fact, we almost did not lag behind - and it was a feat - in isolation - when the "gentlemen" ruling the world organized our practical "blockade" (Jackson Venik's amendments, etc.) - one country cannot invent as much as the whole world - this is obviously
      And there is nothing shameful that the West bypasses us in science - the West has always been the "cradle of civilization" and at the same time robbed the colonies - this is an absolute truth - and for centuries - and now it continues - they simply do not carry slaves now - it is easier to bring a factory to them
      And about the most difficult natural conditions, remember - read Parshev better - many people write but it is more interesting and easier to read

      Fools in the late USSR were so depraved with satiety that they wanted "shit"! They forgot from what difficult situation the country rose in 20 years in total and went into space - they forgot how the poor live in favelas in Brazil, how the Indians and Chinese live - and after all, the Soviet people could also live if it were not for the USSR
      The fools decided that it would live like abroad - "like in the West" and did not ask the simplest question - why not like in Africa or India or Brazil? Read more - listen to enemies less - ready here and now in 3 lines to charm both the country and the culture
      1. ballian
        -3
        13 August 2011 11: 20
        If there hadn’t been a Leninist Bolshevik revolution, they would have evolved TOGETHER with the rest of the Western world, and would not have surrounded themselves with enemies and built a command and administrative utopia here. Russia at the beginning of the 20 century was not at all a wild undeveloped country, but in the years before the First World War in terms of development rate, it has reached the 1 place in the world.
        At the beginning, Soviet industrialization did not occur at all in isolation - it was the Western bourgeois who built plants for us in the 30 years, the only difference was that this construction did not come at the expense of foreign investment, but at the expense of robbing their own peasants.
        People should not be considered fools who were allegedly "corrupted by satiety" - everyone saw the effectiveness of the Soviet economy on store shelves.
        And the level that was reached in the 80 years rested on wild oil prices - gas, as soon as prices collapsed - money ran out right away - fools - the Communists did not even think of saving them for a rainy day - because Gorbachev rushed to the West to the bourgeoisie ask for loans, and the Soviet economy so quickly fell into the pit.
        Parshev’s book is primitive - it explains in all seriousness that economic efficiency is based on one climatic factor and completely ignores all the others (it’s strange that no one else wrote a book about why Canada is not America).
        Where else in the world is a supposedly "effective" command-and-control economy being built? Besides North Korea and maybe a couple of other countries - I don't know.
        1. SAVA
          0
          13 August 2011 11: 35
          THEN EXPRESS YOUR VISION OF THE FUTURE OF THE FORMER USSR, WHICH YOU CAN ARGUMPT
          1. Ivan35
            +2
            13 August 2011 22: 06
            Putin said - "We must not have a heart so as not to regret the death of the USSR and we must not have a head to try to restore it"
            I consider myself a communist - but here I agree with Putin - Russia will not be able to restore the USSR now - but it can revive at least the option of tsarist Russia in alliance with Belarus and Kazakhstan (with oligarchs, corruption merchants and other nasty things - but what should I do?) for reunion with Ukraine. A strong state will be able to pursue an independent policy and protect its population from being robbed by international predators - to prevent the people from slipping into poverty like China's Brazil
            And of course, a strong Union will not give up territory and will not become a "weak victim" in future conflicts for resources
        2. Ivan35
          +2
          13 August 2011 21: 55
          1. Not Russia (the USSR) surrounded itself with enemies - but the world around it consisted of imperialist predators preparing 2 world war. To think that the world was "pink fluffy" and the USSR, like sowing Korea, took it foolishly and built an administrator - a command system (which by the way saved us from death) is stupid. The very term of the system administrator from the lexicon of enemies and Pindos (to which you Balian undoubtedly belong)
          2. The fact that the collapse of the USSR worsened the lives of ordinary people is an indisputable fact and the current democracy and store shelves have led to the fact that we eat only a few times less - and then medicine education defense and so on all suffered - we do not need to fill in here about the inefficiency of the USSR! People who wished for his collapse and were fools or enemies

          3 USSR rose from the devastation of 1945 and launched Gagarin in 20 years - and no one was starving at that time - oil prices had nothing to do with it
          Moreover - in recent years, the Soviet Union before the collapse of oil prices were specially collapsed Pindos - so dozens of studies

          4 I also read Andrei Parshev - a magnificent and clever book - it does not reduce everything to one factor at all - the ports and proximity to the sea and similar hostile remarks about countries such as Canada or Finland are also taken into account, a full reasoned answer is also given - and I’ll add from myself to Canada, the population is fully consistent with Parshev's theory

          These comments by Balian are primitive - not an excellent book by Andrei Parshev! And the phrase that Russia would develop along with the West in general from the repertoire of the demented - no one will accept Russia as a golden billion - they are ready to join us to the inhabitants of Brazilian favelas or impoverished Indians - and cut off our population to 30 million (approximately like in Canada) to service the pipe
  12. mitrich
    +2
    13 August 2011 22: 05
    IVAN35,
    to my shame I must admit that something like the BALLIAN or some other characters in the forum I thought when I was 17-18 years old (1990-1991). Perestroika, glasnost, the wind of "changes" and other crap deeply touched the soul ...
    And now it’s even surprising that such relics exist feel . It’s more correct to write - still remained.
    1. SAVA
      +2
      13 August 2011 22: 21
      VERY WELL SAID !!! FACT NOW ONLY THE BLIND DOESN'T SEE HOW WE (THE FORMER USSR) DESTROY, BUT SUCH "PHILOSOPHERS" LIVE IN RUSSIA, CONTINUING TO PROMOTE THE WESTERN VALUES OF THEM NOW TORRICULATE THEM.
    2. Ivan35
      +1
      13 August 2011 22: 24
      Thank you for supporting Mitrich! And in those years I didn’t think about anything at all - somehow everything passed by.
  13. SAVA
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    13 August 2011 22: 37
    THERE IS OPINION IN CERTAIN CIRCLES THAT I NEED TO START A WAR AGAINST THE WEST IN THE 80S, SEEING WHAT WE HAVE NECESSARY TO REMEMBER THIS OPINION
  14. mitrich
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    13 August 2011 22: 43
    The war against the West, SAVA, that in the 1980s, that in 201 ..- e - a war with the use of nuclear weapons.
    So if you are a supporter of this theory, then you are Lermontov's "Fatalist" ...
    1. SAVA
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      14 August 2011 00: 22
      BUT ALL OF US, EVERYTHING IS EASILY DESTROYED, PHYSICALLY AND MORAL, PLUS FROM INSIDE LIVING DOES NOT GIVE YES MUCH BAD AROUND
      1. Marat
        +2
        14 August 2011 00: 48
        Dear SAVA - the time is certainly troubled now - but we have survived the blackest strip - let's hope that we survive in spite of all these Pindos and liberals. There is still a chance.
        1. SAVA
          +1
          14 August 2011 01: 01
          OF COURSE I HAVE!!! AND THE MOST IMPORTANT WE ARE "SOONED" ON THE ACCOUNT OF THE GOOD INTENTIONS OF THE WEST, AND WE WERE CLARIFIED AT ALL TIME THE WEST IS NOT FRIENDLY. THANKS FOR OPTIMISM !!