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Russia creates an anti-pro system

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Russia creates an anti-pro system

In early October, the sensational news - “New Russian sea-based cruise missiles, the deployment of which Putin announced at a recent meeting in Novorossiysk,“ nullify ”American power and nullify Washington’s military superiority in the huge geopolitical region from Warsaw to Kabul, from Rome to Baghdad.” The article was called "Putin's rocket surprise"and its content really pleasantly surprised. We will not quote the entire article, we will pay attention only to those facts that led the author to such sensational conclusions. The first and main fact is based on the statement of the commander of the Black Sea fleet Navy of the Russian Federation, Admiral Alexander Vitko, that the new missiles that will be armed with the new submarines for the Black Sea Fleet have a range of over 1,5 thousand kilometers. At the same time, the admiral answered Putin’s question and, naturally, that the information that reached the ears of the correspondents was specially intended for them. Admirals do not pronounce military secrets. That is, it was a signal. The signal, which was given in a certain context, which spoke about the need for a breakthrough of the Russian military-industrial complex in the field of high-precision weaponsand also about new threats related to the development of the missile defense system and the approach of its structures to the borders of Russia. At the conclusion of the author, the new Russian missiles will nullify these threats. Such important conclusions need to be checked and at the same time to check all the initial data for them. And it is possible to draw other conclusions ...

So. About rocket and submarine. Of course, we are talking about the famous "Varshavyanka" - a diesel submarine of the 636 project, but rather thoroughly modernized - the project received the number 636.3:

In total, the Russian Navy plans to build six diesel-electric submarines of the 636.3 project at the Admiralty shipyards for the Black Sea Fleet. Three are already under construction - the head submarine B-261 "Novorossiysk" (factory number 01670), the second - B-237 "Rostov-on-Don" (01671) and B-262 "Old Oskol" (01672). Rear Admiral Vladimir Zakharov, retired, noted that “six Varshavyanok can be a good start to retool the Black Sea Fleet, and then, you see, Lada will be brought to mind.” According to the Black Sea Fleet Commander Rear Admiral Alexander Fedotenkov, this union will take six 2017 boats into service by the 636 year: “We will get the first three hulls in 2014, one boat - in 2015, and two - in 2016, to form a full-fledged brigade. They will be based on the naval base Sevastopol and Novorossiysk.

So it was planned, and today the head submarine “Novorossiysk” has been in the fleet since August, this was reported in the media. Submarines of the 636.3 "Varshavyanka" project belong to the third generation, have a tonnage of 3,95 thousands of tons, a speed of 20 knots, a depth of 300 meters, and a crew of 52 people. The boats are very quiet, for their secretiveness the boats of this project have received the name "black hole" in NATO. They are armed with torpedoes of the 533 caliber of millimeter (six vehicles), mines, the Caliber missile, which is considered the highlight of the project (in the export version, this complex is called "Club-S"). A torpedo tube is used to launch rockets; no special launchers are needed. By itself, the boat is very good, significantly exceeds Western counterparts in performance and is indispensable for the defense of the coastal zone. But here the rocket complex with the new rocket gives the boat a completely new status. Since the claimed range in 1,5 thousands of kilometers makes it a very powerful weapon greatly expanding the range of its application. Previously, such weapons were placed only on multi-purpose nuclear submarine cruisers - a very expensive and powerful weapon, significantly affecting the overall balance of the armed forces and strategic plans. Now, however, conventional diesel-electric submarines began to possess strategic weapons. Suffice it to say that being in the waters of the Black Sea, such boats can hit targets in the Mediterranean. Including such large ones as an aircraft carrier. But that's not all, the Caliber missiles are universal and can hit targets on land. That is, the whole of Europe can be under the gun of rockets from this sea platform. This, in fact, was discussed in the article that I quoted from the beginning. And it’s not just limited to new submarines; such launch platforms are the small missile ships of the 21631 “Buyan-M” project, being built for the Caspian flotilla.


Rocket launch from the ship "Grad Sviyazhsk"

Before 2018, nine such ships are planned to be deployed in the Caspian flotilla of the Russian Federation, but so far only three have entered. The ships are small, with a small draft, which allows walking along the Volga, but the designer managed to fit vertical launchers for 8 missiles longer than 6 meters into their superstructure. For the Caspian flotilla, the ships look quite harmonious, but there is the same incident - there are no targets in the Caspian Sea for their missiles, but rockets can reach the Black Sea and its coast. The ships have a displacement of just 950 tons, but carry as many 8 Calibers. Which greatly increases their status as a weapon. The ships themselves are also quite good, made with the latest stealth technology, with a new remarkable gun mount and air defense systems. But the highlight again become rockets "Caliber", reaching out to many countries in the Middle East and Europe. The Black Sea Fleet is also planned to be replenished with such ships, and this will significantly affect the overall distribution of forces in the region - again, because of the new missile weapons.

The logic of the deployment of such weapons is understandable - since NATO places missile defense bases near the borders of Russia, these bases also need to be kept under the gun. And it would be easy if Gorbachev had not signed an agreement on medium and short range missiles:

On December 8, 1987, a Soviet-American summit was held in Washington, during which Mikhail Gorbachev and Ronald Reagan signed the indefinite Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF), which entered into force on June 1, 1988. The parties to the treaty pledged not to produce, test or deploy ground-based ballistic and cruise missiles of medium (1000 to 5500 kilometers) and short (500 to 1000 kilometers) range. It should be noted, however, that this classification was finally introduced only by the 1987 treaty. Prior to its signing in the United States, ballistic missiles were divided into intercontinental (over 5000 kilometers), medium (from 500 to 5000 kilometers) and shorter (from 150 to 500 kilometers) ranges. In the USSR, until the mid-1980s, operational-tactical missiles (from 1 to 500 kilometers) were also allocated. In the United States, tactical (operational-tactical) missiles had a flight range of 1 to 150 kilometers. In 1987, a new classification was finally established. Therefore, as applied to the period up to the mid-1980s in historical works, it is legitimate to use both classifications.

Under the contract, we destroyed 1846 missile systems, the US - 846 complexes. What makes doubt the equivalence of such an exchange. Medium-range missiles held the whole of Europe at gunpoint. Now they are not there, that is, we can not threaten Europe. And while Europe did not threaten us, everything was in order. The situation has changed with the deployment of missile defense bases in Europe. Although they are formally defensive in nature, they devalue the Russian nuclear potential, which was balanced with the American one. And this is getting a one-sided advantage, Russia is forced to react. Since the negotiations fail, here is the answer that Europe received. New missiles. At the same time, Russia did not violate the INF Treaty - new sea carriers. The United States, when they signed the INF Treaty, had a significant advantage in precisely such carriers and therefore took them outside the treaty. Today, Russia is trying to turn this situation around. So the conclusions of the author of the article about the "rocket surprise", although they look too sensational, still have a logical basis. But to somewhat disappoint readers - because the author was based on only one "proverb" Admiral. A "proverb" about the technical data of the new Russian missiles were before. And the range indicated is completely different:

The Yevsen-class 885 class Severodvinsk nuclear submarine nuclear submarine will be equipped with Kaliber supersonic cruise missiles with a maximum range of over 2,5 thousand km, which are unparalleled in the world, a source in the Russian military-industrial complex said on Tuesday.

And this “proverb” was noticed by everyone’s beloved Wikipedia, which often distorts information on political and historical issues, but with regard to Russian weapons it tries to be as accurate and complete as possible. A sort of spy database, updated by all informed people. So the characteristics of the new rocket may be different. But in order for disappointment to come more and stronger, I’ll add fire to the gasoline:


X-101 cruise missile

TTX new air-launched cruise missile X-101 I specifically copied from the documentary film shown on TV. After all, no one will accuse me of divulging military secrets? You ask - what have the X-101? There, the engine is the same - DTRD RD-95TM-300 with kgN weight 500 (according to Wikipedia). For people who did not skip physics at school, comparing the weight and fuel, it becomes clear that the "Caliber" should have a similar range ... Of course, there is a difference - if you run from a height of 10 thousand, the rocket will fly farther than if you run from under the water, from Varshavyanka ... As a physicist, I understand that the range will be different. Part of the fuel will go to climb. What part? Let the 20 rocket minutes rise in height from the 5 flight hours ... We subtract this part from the range. Let it be 4500-5000 km ... Such an "disappointment" will get an educated reader from the published data. Agree, it gives even more urgency of the situation? The rocket did not reach the level of strategic ones. A nuclear warhead there is quite appropriate.


Launcher 9В2413 for the soil complex PK-55

But we’ll add more details that will give a completely specific taste to the cooked “dish”. "Caliber" is the development of the Soviet still missile system C-10 "Grenade", the development of which was carried out by the SMKB "Novator" under the leadership of the chief designer L. V. Lyulyev (the history of this design bureau can be found in the site library). Even then, his KS-122 rocket (Navy URAV Index: 3М10) had a range of 2500 km, it entered service in the 1984 year. It had the ability to start from a torpedo tube (underwater launch). She was the Soviet response to the American Tomahawks - cruise missiles with a range of up to 1600 km. The latest modification of the “Tomahawk” has a range of more than 2500km, so talking about the range of the descendants of the “Pomegranate” stands precisely in the direction of more long-range options. The C-10 complex also had a mobile ground version of the launcher - 9В2413 for the RK-55 “Relief” soil complex.

These launchers were destroyed as a result of the Treaty that Gorbachev signed. But the marine types of the missile complex continued to exist - they were armed with multi-purpose nuclear submarines of the 971 “Shchuka-B” project, 6 from this series of boats still in service. And most likely they are armed with the already modernized versions of the Grenade, that is, the Caliber.

What else may differ new missiles from its predecessor in addition to increased range? The Novator design bureau, which developed the rocket, has long been selling an export version of the complex for a variety of versions: "Club-U" is a modular complex for installation on ships, ensuring defeat of surface and ground targets, "Club-S" is an option for submarines launched from torpedo tubes, "Club-M" - mobile coastal complex and "Club-K" - container performance of the complex. The latter has a remarkable masking effect - the complex can not be distinguished from the standard container for sea and rail transport. There are many thousands of them on the roads, container ships carrying hundreds of such containers aboard. How to detect such a goal? All intelligence "on the ears stand." And there is one more remarkable innovation seen from the export version of the rocket.


Rocket 3М54E rocket complex Club

The new 3М54E rocket retains dimensions, wing plumage, launch and propulsion engines, part of the control system, part of the body from the old 3М10, but a new combat stage, taken from the 9М82 anti-aircraft missile, was converted from conical to cylindrical. As a result, the rocket became supersonic in the final part of the trajectory! The main part of its path, the rocket flies in an economical mode at a subsonic speed of 800-900 km / h, and for 20 km before the target, an anti-aircraft missile with a powder accelerator breaks out of the hull, which accelerates the rocket to 3000 km / h. As a result, it is almost no chance to knock it down.


Mobile coastal complex Club-M


And the export version differs from the version for the native armed forces only in a strongly shortened range - up to 300 km. Imagine how offensive it is to the Chinese who buy boats and ships with such a complex, but with rockets only 300 km away? Ten times worse. But 300 km are not only shown here for export ... After all, if you load a missile with a range of 4,5 thousand kilometers into a coastal mobile complex, it will violate the terms of the INF Treaty! And I will ask - what's stopping the “non-export” version of the missile from being loaded into the launcher of the “export version”? And we can formally adopt the "Club-M" with a range of 300 km? But who will check the real range of his missiles? I believe that Western experts already puzzled over such a prospect. And we will soon receive the appropriate accusation - Russia is violating the INF Treaty.

However, its violation has long been logically justified - since the United States has withdrawn from the missile defense treaty unilaterally and surrounded Russia with missile defense bases, Russia's withdrawal from the INF Treaty is the natural answer - it is a weapon against missile defense bases and their floating variant - the destroyers Aegis. Russia, in the event of war, will be forced first to destroy the medium-missile defense system of the United States with medium-range missiles, and then launch strategic ballistic missiles. This is an obvious logic, and it is fully justified by the aggressive actions of the United States. And it is clear that Russia did not immediately reach such a decision - negotiations on missile defense went a long time ago. It has long been preparing such an answer. Is he completely unexpected? Yes, Russia does not yet advertise such a decision, while the naval deployment options for missiles allow for a formal compliance with the agreement. But the next step will be obvious, especially since it will not significantly change anything in the scenario - Russia de facto has medium-range missiles, which are completely universal and can be placed even in a container. And no one can be sure what missiles are located in it.


Club-K - container version of the launcher

And the masking effect of the container performance "Calibrov" is another special plus. After all, Cuba can already be stuffed with such containers! What did Putin agree on when he traveled to Cuba? Rosneft will start producing oil there, Russia will supply the 4 power unit for thermal power plants and all sorts of little things ... But the main thing is that "Russia is interested in building ground centers for its GLONASS system." And not only in Cuba. They are in Nicaragua put. Let me remind you that the primary task for such navigation systems is a guidance system for precision weapons. Including for the same "Caliber". And it will be completely unsurprising if there will be a dozen containers near these stations. With the "equipment". And besides such stations, we are talking about the creation of large transport hubs on the island, first of all, air links. In practice, these are air bases, airfields, which will be able to receive the same Tu-160 for refueling and rest. And again, there will be containers with "equipment".

In fact, these Latin American countries can now be used as launching pads for hundreds of Calibrov. Which, I note, can be controlled from the outside. From the satellite. In Moscow, they pressed a button, and in Cuba, a couple of dozen containers would open the lids and raise launchers. And in a minute there are already hundreds of rockets in the air capable of achieving any targets in the eastern half of the United States. This threat of the United States can not be avoided. No for this arrangements. Start a war with Cuba and Nicaragua? To as a result of their occupation get the opportunity to check all the containers? But containers with missiles can be in the port of New York. On the Singapore cargo ship, but with a Russian team. Problem? Trouble For the first time since the Caribbean crisis, the United States was under such a serious threat. And, apparently, they still have not fully realized this. Although Putin gives absolutely transparent hints. Many consider this as ordinary political demagogy, but Putin very rarely talks in vain. You need to listen to him very carefully. For any reason, he gives very important and clear signals. We do not want war. But for the answer do not worry ...

In general, the surprise was a success here, and a bit more ambitious than the author of the corresponding article described. However, the emphasis here should be set differently. This is not a new threat from Putin. This is the natural response of Russia to the deployment of a missile defense system near the borders of Russia. Russia is creating its own anti-missile defense. The main target of the new missiles will be not the cities of Europe, but the destroyers Aegis from a naval missile defense system and ground-based missile defense bases in Europe.
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  1. RESEARCHER
    RESEARCHER 9 October 2014 09: 54
    +76
    Timely initiative. Another "surprise" of V.V. Putin for our "partners".
    We continue to pleasantly surprise the "civilized world".
    Now let's see how the NATO will begin to work out such an introductory.
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 9 October 2014 10: 12
      +19
      So much for our next answer to Chamberlain, let the NATO members think now about the combat capabilities of our new missiles.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 9 October 2014 10: 41
        +30
        So. About rocket and submarine. Of course, we are talking about the famous "Varshavyanka" - a diesel submarine of the 636 project, but rather thoroughly modernized - the project received the number 636.3:

        Range over 1,5 thousand ....... mmmmm, from the port of Sevastopol Warsaw is freely covered.
        Wow. There is nothing to add, well, besides, it could be that the Treaty on the Elimination of Medium and Short Range Missiles, in today's geopolitical situation (extremely unfriendly), should simply be denounced.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 9 October 2014 11: 08
          +15
          Quote: Natalia
          So. About rocket and submarine. Of course, we are talking about the famous "Varshavyanka" - a diesel submarine of the 636 project, but rather thoroughly modernized - the project received the number 636.3:

          Range over 1,5 thousand ....... mmmmm, from the port of Sevastopol Warsaw is freely covered.
          Wow. There is nothing to add, well, besides, it could be that the Treaty on the Elimination of Medium and Short Range Missiles, in today's geopolitical situation (extremely unfriendly), should simply be denounced.

          Israel has followed this path since the mid-90s. Lacking the material capabilities to acquire and maintain full-fledged nuclear submarines, we went to receive diesel-electric submarines from Germany built according to a special project. 3 are now in service, two more are entering service this and next year, and the sixth will arrive in 2017. All boats can be launched through the torpedo tubes of the Turbo-Popeye KR.
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 9 October 2014 11: 39
            +24
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Israel has followed this path since the mid-90s. Lacking the material capabilities to acquire and maintain full-fledged nuclear submarines, we went to receive diesel-electric submarines from Germany built according to a special project. 3 are now in service, two more are entering service this and next year, and the sixth will arrive in 2017. All boats can be launched through the torpedo tubes of the Turbo-Popeye KR.

            Nobody will praise yourself, right? winked
            Joke..... lol )))

            In fact, you are actually great. I am closely following the testing of your new Heck-3 interceptor missile.
            Seems OK. winked I hope it will be worse than the S-500 missiles wink lol )))))
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 9 October 2014 11: 53
              +11
              Quote: Natalia
              ]
              Nobody will praise yourself, right? winked
              Joke..... lol )))))

              Yes, there is nothing to praise here. For the strategy of "guaranteed retaliation", several nuclear submarines would be better suited, but we cannot afford such "toys" either financially or technically.
              1. Natalia
                Natalia 9 October 2014 12: 10
                +11
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Yes, there is nothing to praise here. For the strategy of "guaranteed retaliation", several nuclear submarines would be better suited, but we cannot afford such "toys" either financially or technically.

                Well, yes, for Israel - because of its small territory, it is better to find no means than submarines.

                We can do this as an instrument of retribution with a number of different complexes:
                1. BZHRK
                2. PC poplar
                3. Underwater (surface) and air segments
                4. Various ground (mine-based).

                Well, then who do you fight with? With Arabs raving everywhere, so in this case, submarines (nuclear submarines / submarines) are not required.
                With Iran, well, I think you will have enough ground complexes. Although the submarines would not be superfluous for insurance. And so .......... strategically, there are no such detractors from Israel. Everything at the local level as they say.
                1. Natalia
                  Natalia 9 October 2014 12: 22
                  +35
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  it would be better, but we cannot afford such "toys" either financially or technically.

                  And you do not need more global systems, if you have USA AMRY DIVISIONE. They will ruin, they will tax ...... if you call the State Department, and there the answering machine:
                  - Hello, if you want to bomb Iraq - click ONE.
                  - If you want to take part in the distribution of buns on the Maidan, press TWO.
                  - If you think that Putin is threatening you, press THREE.
                  - Or just wait for the operator to answer ...... your call is very important to us.

                  The operator will answer your call within ...... 15 minutes
                  further music plays, there-tada-dam .........
                  30 minutes have passed.
                  Stay on the line. Your call is very important to us .....
                  1. Shur
                    Shur 10 October 2014 22: 42
                    0
                    Good answering machine, you need to update the company quietly laughing
                2. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 9 October 2014 12: 43
                  +7
                  Quote: Natalia

                  Well, then who do you fight with? With Arabs raving everywhere, so in this case, submarines (nuclear submarines / submarines) are not required.
                  With Iran, well, I think you will have enough ground complexes. Although the submarines would not be superfluous for insurance. And so .......... strategically, there are no such detractors from Israel. Everything at the local level as they say.

                  we just didn’t get together, but whatever the same Iran would not entertain itself with thoughts, the reserve pocket does not pull.
                  1. Oldwiser
                    Oldwiser 9 October 2014 14: 03
                    +2
                    So everything is closer to you from the Saudis than from Iran.
                    1. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 9 October 2014 14: 48
                      +4
                      Quote: OldWiser
                      So everything is closer to you from the Saudis than from Iran.

                      For the Saudis, our Air Force is quite enough, and their nuclear program is in its infancy, unlike Iran.
                      1. Natalia
                        Natalia 9 October 2014 15: 00
                        +11
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        For the Saudis, our Air Force is quite enough, and their nuclear program is in its infancy, unlike Iran.

                        Of course, I can say something provocative right now, but this is purely my subjective opinion winked

                        If Israel had dealt with the Arabs, it would have done Russia a great service. I don’t know how much Israel is not our ally, but the fact that Arabs are not friends to us is 100%.

                        Arabs can be friends if they are weak, subject to some kind of pressure from outside, and if Russia can help.
                      2. Talgat
                        Talgat 11 October 2014 04: 39
                        +1
                        Saudis with Cathars, etc., now with Israel on one side of the barricades together with the United States and the West - the world is splitting before our eyes in two camps - on the other side in front of the edge of the confrontation of 9 Albanian countries led by Venezuela and Cuba + Argentina - Iran Syria - behind them Russia after her China - India Brazil indirectly seems to support so far through the Brix
                      3. Talgat
                        Talgat 11 October 2014 04: 46
                        +1
                        "... to hit targets in the Mediterranean. Including such large ones as an aircraft carrier .."

                        Yes - and I also wanted to add according to the article - of course, it won’t work out as an aircraft carrier, as everyone understands - yes it does for land targets - but it doesn’t reach for sea mobile ones - there is a maximum of 300 km

                        It is necessary to develop a distant PCR - like the United States is doing this

                        This was discussed a lot on the topic of Aug Tu 22 attack - you need a missile that doesn’t enter the air defense zone - if the caliber now hit the ships at 1500 km - then the problem would have already been solved (especially since the guidance was restored using an inexpensive optical Liana - 4 satellite in my opinion)
                  2. aleks 62
                    aleks 62 10 October 2014 09: 29
                    0
                    ..... Duc you have a "reserve" for a long time .... True, how many pieces, no one knows (only assume) .... What else is missing ?????
                    1. ermolai
                      ermolai 10 October 2014 19: 24
                      0
                      containers with clubs
                3. smern1974
                  smern1974 11 October 2014 01: 03
                  0
                  5 means of hidden delivery) a couple of dozen steam locomotives and containers
              2. smern1974
                smern1974 11 October 2014 01: 00
                0
                no mutual bummer strategy
            2. Vita_vko
              Vita_vko 10 October 2014 02: 01
              +2
              At first glance, to improve offensive weapons in the range of small and ultra-low altitudes is a logical response to the creation of a missile defense system, which in principle is not capable of operating at these altitudes. But this is only at first glance people who are poorly versed in the capabilities of modern air defense systems. Destroying a high-speed low-altitude target is certainly difficult, but it is still much easier and hundreds of times cheaper than a hypersonic blank in space.
              Therefore, the only adequate response to EuroPro can be the creation by Russia of the SCO ABM, with the prospect of creating a space security umbrella over the entire Eurasian continent.
              1. oblako
                oblako 10 October 2014 14: 54
                +3
                Destroying a blank in space is undoubtedly more expensive, but technologically simpler than a low-altitude maneuverable and small-sized target, this is in the eyes of people who could better understand the capabilities of modern air defense systems ... And about umbrellas, probably the right decision, but it basically has advertising than practical value. I do not think that we should get involved in symmetrical answers. It was already. IMHO.
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            3. Sibiriya
              Sibiriya 10 October 2014 21: 12
              0
              not to mention nuclear submarines
          2. lurk
            lurk 10 October 2014 13: 37
            +1
            Range over 1,5 thousand ....... mmmmm, from the port of Sevastopol Warsaw is freely covered.
            Wow. There is nothing to add, well, besides, it may be that the Treaty on the Elimination of Medium and Short Range Missiles, in today's geopolitical situation (extremely unfriendly), should simply be denounced. [/ Quote]
            Israel has followed this path since the mid-90s. Lacking the material capabilities to acquire and maintain full-fledged nuclear submarines, we went to receive diesel-electric submarines from Germany built according to a special project. 3 are now in service, two more are entering service this year and next, and the sixth will arrive in 2017. All boats can be launched through the torpedo tubes of the Turbo-Popeye KR. [/ Quote]
            So it is or not, but I think that the Jews invented the scales.
            And in the near future, Israel will have to make its choice, although they will balance to the last
        2. Rus2012
          Rus2012 9 October 2014 12: 44
          +6
          Quote: Natalia
          Warsaw is freely covered from the port of Sevastopol.

          ;)))
          And inna from Sevostopol to cover Warsaw? :)))
          When will Iskander do the same from Belarus and even from the Russian mainland? Yes, it’s faster, always max. 10 minutes instead of an hour-sweating ...;)))
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 9 October 2014 13: 53
            +2
            Quote: Rus2012
            And inna from Sevostopol to cover Warsaw? :)))
            When will Iskander do the same from Belarus and even from the Russian mainland? Yes, it’s faster, always max. 10 minutes instead of an hour-sweating ...;)))

            lol
            I didn’t seem to suggest such a thing; you did not catch the meaning of what was written. ))))
            1. BLACK-SHARK-64
              BLACK-SHARK-64 10 October 2014 21: 08
              +1
              This is relative .... Take a compass and draw a circle-sized circle where Center-CRIMEA ... and everything will be clear ....
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        4. Sergey Medvedev
          Sergey Medvedev 9 October 2014 14: 24
          +4
          Quote: Natalia
          Wow. There is nothing to add, well, besides, it could be that the Treaty on the Elimination of Medium and Short Range Missiles, in today's geopolitical situation (extremely unfriendly), should simply be denounced.


          You may not even denounce openly. It is possible, for example, to equip ground-based launchers with export missiles and present them to international inspectors (if this is stipulated by the agreement), and long-range missiles for the same installations can be stored in warehouses not subject to inspection. And re-equip installations in an endangered period. Such an opportunity for maneuver appeared.
        5. BLACK-SHARK-64
          BLACK-SHARK-64 10 October 2014 21: 05
          +1
          Armed, then it’s dangerous ... They’re afraid, it means they’re respected ... They will show off their teeth by the teeth ... Only in this way can peace be saved ...
          Want peace, get ready for war ... AXIOM ...
        6. zarya
          zarya 12 October 2014 05: 45
          0
          Quote: Natalia
          Well, besides, it may be that the Treaty on the Elimination of Medium and Short Range Missiles, in today's geopolitical situation (extremely unfriendly), should simply be denounced


          The point is that if you do it publicly, then a howl will start overseas and some hands will be untied. Why should the enemy help like that? We must say "we are observing the contract, why", and we ourselves must act as it should.
      2. jovanni
        jovanni 9 October 2014 11: 01
        +16
        In the words of Ostap Bender, - ... We do not need to be rude! We ourselves are louts ... hi
      3. Rus2012
        Rus2012 9 October 2014 12: 38
        +5
        Quote: Thought Giant
        Here is our next answer to Chamberlain

        Posted by
        As a physicist, I understand that the range will be different. Part of the fuel will go to climb. What part? Let the rocket gain 20 minutes of altitude from 5 flight hours ... Subtract this part from the range. Let it be 4500-5000 km ...

        does not quite understand the launch of the Kyrgyz Republic with submarines.
        For the start of a "rusty ax" type CD from a submarine, an additional starter is used, as a rule, solid fuel ... So it throws the CD to the height of the product 95 turbojet engine.
        Regarding the range of the Caliber 1500km and PK55- in 2500km, it all depends on the amount of fuel on board, the mass of the warhead ...
        Why 1500 - there is simply no particular need to have a more dimensional (long) and massive.
        As for Klab with a range of 300km - it is short, i.e. smaller tanks (shorter) ... :)))
        And accordingly, the SU is adapted at a range of up to 300 ...
        Of course, the craftsmen are North Koreans and the same Iranians, who can easily process them over long ranges ...
      4. Kostyar
        Kostyar 9 October 2014 14: 59
        0
        "Here is our next answer to Chamberlain, let the NATO people think now about the combat capabilities of our new missiles."

        The key word is "guess", and imagine (fantasize) ...
        Fear has big eyes!!!
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    3. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 9 October 2014 10: 37
      +9
      Uhhh! Pleased with the article! smile
    4. Fregate
      Fregate 9 October 2014 11: 29
      +7
      I’m thinking, if we cannot use missiles with a range of more than 500 km from ground-based carriers under the START treaty, but we can only from the "sea" and from the "air", then I think submarines and ships are certainly needed, but why not build some - something, relatively speaking, a barge, well, or a type of floating dock and do not stuff vertical launch units for 250-350 missiles into it and let these docks stand in the Sevastopol Bay, in the Caspian Sea, and on other fleets. They don't even need to sail anywhere, with "caliber" and x-101 missiles they will cover both Europe and BV from the spot. And to build them will be, I think, cheaper than the same Missile Cruiser.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 9 October 2014 11: 33
        +7
        Such a barge is too vulnerable. Even with a conventional grenade launcher, it can be launched to the bottom. Or at least damage so much that launching missiles will be impossible.
        1. Fregate
          Fregate 9 October 2014 11: 51
          +6
          Quote: Wedmak
          Such a barge is too vulnerable. Even with a conventional grenade launcher, it can be launched to the bottom. Or at least damage so much that launching missiles will be impossible.

          So you can freely come to the base of any of our fleets with a grenade launcher and hit the ship?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 9 October 2014 12: 13
            +7
            You will hardly go to the base, but you can easily hit from the surrounding hills. Only now the ship and its weapons are protected reliably enough. Yes, and can answer. How do you protect a barge filled with missiles? Armor? Active systems like "Arena"? SAM to poke? Will the fur coat become expensive?
            Too specialized platform is obtained. It’s easier to get out of the contract on the ground, in the fortified bunkers to stick PU. With an arsenal.
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 10 October 2014 14: 37
              0
              Will the fur coat become expensive?
              If a barge has 10-20 missiles, then it is certainly expensive. But if 200-300, and partly with special warheads, then the developed cover can justify itself. Moreover, the barge can officially pass as a floating container warehouse with insignificant spare parts, rations and other crap. Or like a US military shipping ship. They stand for themselves, "rust" at the pier. And they are used simultaneously as a warehouse.
              It is necessary to cram not only Clabs into containers, but also air defense installations of various ranges, electronic warfare. And other buns that fit in the dimensions of standard containers. Then it will be possible to mobilely transfer entire complex military facilities, even by forces of various civilian transport. And railway, and cars, and ships.
          2. wasjasibirjac
            wasjasibirjac 9 October 2014 12: 30
            +3
            Quote: Fregate
            So you can freely come to the base of any of our fleets with a grenade launcher and hit the ship?

            free - no, but if you really, really want to, then to exclude such a scenario is 100% impossible. Well, in addition, there are also ATGMs with a launch range of 10 km. which theoretically allows you to hit an object without entering the base.
            1. Fregate
              Fregate 9 October 2014 13: 09
              +2
              Quote: wasjasibirjac
              free - no, but if you really, really want to, then to exclude such a scenario is 100% impossible. Well, in addition, there are also ATGMs with a launch range of 10 km. which theoretically allows you to hit an object without entering the base.

              The barge can be placed, for example, in the White Sea or even on Lake Ladoga, in general, in any depth from the border, and tow it off the coast on duty so that ATGMs do not get it. Just watch out for the saboteurs. It will be possible to destroy it, in the end there is nothing that cannot be destroyed, but if it starts I think it will have time to "discharge" before its destruction. And our "friends" will understand this and this will be another deterrent, and if necessary, it will respond.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 9 October 2014 14: 44
                +4
                There are options, no one argues.
                but if something starts, I think it will have time to "discharge" before its destruction.

                I’m not so sure about this. This is not MLRS, a volley is possible only with a difference of 2-3 seconds between missiles, no less. Well, let it be 2 seconds and 150 missiles on board. In total, for 5 minutes, the barge will be enveloped in smoke and flame from launching rockets. And then the pitching will be added ... What construction is needed to withstand all this hell and flame?
                And one anti-ship missiles breaking through to a similar barge and fireworks will be visible kilometers beyond 50 ...
          3. Rus2012
            Rus2012 9 October 2014 12: 48
            +3
            Quote: Fregate
            So you can freely come to the base of any of our fleets with a grenade launcher and hit the ship?

            ... if the guard is sleeping;)
            And so they must shoot the aggressor earlier.

            Far more dangerous are divers-saboteurs in the water area ... here, against them, a combat watch on a ship throws hand grenades at suspicious noises and all kinds of suspicious phenomena near the side ... And periodically the underwater part is examined for the absence of foreign objects on the hull.

            PS: although a barge with a CD is a good thing, especially towed or self-propelled, but the ship is better. Yes, and not much more expensive.
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 9 October 2014 13: 35
        +1
        You can still build an atomic airship according to the Tsiolkovsky scheme. From carrier armor, who can easily and easily withstand even the most severe 30-mm shells. And the story of 100-150 of such missiles.
        1. atalef
          atalef 9 October 2014 13: 37
          -1
          Quote: Basarev
          You can still build an atomic airship according to the Tsiolkovsky scheme. From carrier armor, who can easily and easily withstand even the most severe 30-mm shells. And the story of 100-150 of such missiles.

          belay Tsiolkovsky?
      3. vnord
        vnord 9 October 2014 13: 48
        +1
        The forum once discussed a large floating rocket platform
      4. vnord
        vnord 9 October 2014 13: 48
        0
        The forum once discussed a large floating rocket platform
      5. kyznets
        kyznets 9 October 2014 14: 48
        +2
        Do not confuse a floating dock with a barge. Dock - plunges into the water so that the steamship enters it, and then with it floats aboard. Missiles do not require such manipulations with immersion - ascent. Unless you were going to hide containers with missiles in the depths.
      6. aleks 62
        aleks 62 10 October 2014 09: 33
        +1
        ... Already there seems to be an idea .... It was infa that 2 "Sharks" will not go under the knife, but for modernization ..... Considering that there are no missiles for them, I suppose that the above-described ones can be placed in the mines devices ..... And a lot will fit ...
    5. Serg 122
      Serg 122 9 October 2014 12: 03
      +14
      Quote: RESEARCHER
      Another "surprise" of V.V. Putin for our "partners".

      Definitely! wassat
    6. Juborg
      Juborg 9 October 2014 13: 15
      +7
      Russia has launched a new program "Parrot!", The essence of which we said, hinted, and your business is not to believe or believe and think about it. An article with an excellent analysis of the situation, however, as the first, which served as the basis. The author is a huge plus and thanks to the Komsomol member's registration card. The only thing that could be added, for the reading audience, is that we are again reviving the elusive and mystical BZHRK complex by 2019, about which the deputy ministry of defense just casually and casually let it slip. Well, that the commas are set, the dots are not defined, the main thing is that the country does not drive all GDP and revenues into the race, the whole world cannot be overtaken.
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 9 October 2014 19: 12
        +7
        Quote: UBORG (1)
        the elusive and mystical complex of BZHRK by 2019

        The same thing you need!
    7. Dilshat
      Dilshat 9 October 2014 21: 22
      +3
      1.Well, the epidemic of neurosis, paranoia of a missile strike, layoffs in the US Navy, especially for aircraft carriers, has gone. Now all the Americans hope for Maidan and the fifth column. Rotenberg’s only law is worth it. As they say there’s no limit to perfection! And if such missiles are a little modernized and reduce at the expense of range and put on bombers and organize round-the-clock duty around the US coast, then a nervous teak is provided to the entire Pentagon.
      1. Shur
        Shur 10 October 2014 23: 24
        +2
        I’m thinking, but is she (the column) the fifth in the place of origin from the fifth point?
    8. Goga101
      Goga101 9 October 2014 22: 38
      +3
      RESEARCHER - Beautifully The author wrote - a quote - "... the covers will open and the launchers will rise. And in a minute there are already a hundred missiles in the air ..." laughing And what, a very bright picture - just for a good nightmare to NATSK warriors hi
    9. Angara
      Angara 10 October 2014 11: 48
      +1
      Quote: RESEARCHER
      Now let's see how the NATO will begin to work out such an introductory.

      They have already worked. Bought a batch of new high-capacity diapers
    10. bekjan
      bekjan 10 October 2014 14: 20
      +1
      Glory to Russia!!!!!!
    11. oblako
      oblako 10 October 2014 14: 39
      +1
      Do not speak dishonestly with us ... And do not suspect us of weakness.
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    13. nycsson
      nycsson 10 October 2014 18: 19
      -1
      Quote: RESEARCHER
      Timely initiative. Another "surprise" of V.V. Putin for our "partners".
      We continue to pleasantly surprise the "civilized world".

      This song is already old ....... from the category of development of 20 trillion.
      Quote: RESEARCHER
      Now let's see how the NATO will begin to work out such an introductory.

      Very simple! Follow the dollar and euro? Euro for 51 ruble exceeded, and dollar for 40! It's only the beginning......
      1. ssergn
        ssergn 11 October 2014 21: 57
        0
        AND.....
        Well, except for the minuses, in the form of price increases due to an increase in the exchange rate, etc., there are significant pluses in the form of an adequately increased revenue from export contracts (not only oil and gas, but all foreign trade revenue), with the exception of ruble contracts. For some reason, lovers of criticism are modestly silent about this. hi
    14. Army1
      Army1 11 October 2014 14: 39
      +2
      I want to believe, and that there the Obama said that we are a regional power?
    15. Army1
      Army1 11 October 2014 14: 42
      0
      it’s very interesting, on a buoy of 8 missiles and on a frigate of project 11356 there are also 8 calibers, or they’re not telling us,
  2. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 9 October 2014 09: 58
    +8
    Admirals do not pronounce military secrets.
    ****************************
    Tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it ... yes
    1. Duke
      Duke 9 October 2014 10: 11
      +21
      Mobile-modular missile system "CLUB-K"
    2. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 9 October 2014 10: 22
      +23
      The picture was already posted by someone on the site:
    3. SVR
      SVR 9 October 2014 10: 35
      -22
      Sometimes generals say "what is needed" and not "what is"
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      1. Name
        Name 9 October 2014 11: 44
        +1
        I don’t evaluate, there’s nothing, but there’s something, let me ask you ... probably a fake from Vasilyeva, or from the Germans, Navalny, Geletey under Obama; explain. bully
    5. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 9 October 2014 14: 20
      +1
      this is a deliberate "leak" for interested ears
  3. USSR 1971
    USSR 1971 9 October 2014 10: 00
    +15
    Anti pro began to create it under the Union, then it died out, you yourself understand why. These are old developments only with modernization, but still nice. KR is such a thing - for the European theater of things it is.
  4. pensioner
    pensioner 9 October 2014 10: 01
    +16
    In general, the surprise here was a success

    Well, God forbid ...
  5. Loner_53
    Loner_53 9 October 2014 10: 02
    +3
    boats of this project were called NATO "black hole".
    In this very hole, NATO’s road wassat Good news today smile
  6. pomegranate
    pomegranate 9 October 2014 10: 04
    +6
    Lord, well, just like a balm for the soul, thank you!
  7. Altona
    Altona 9 October 2014 10: 05
    +2
    With each new president from the United States, more and more delusional inadequate ideas about "exclusivity", about the "preventive right to use force", about "US interests in the nearest galaxy and the replacement of all masters there" come ...
  8. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 9 October 2014 10: 06
    +5
    Hello! We don’t need someone else’s, but we’ll protect our own !!! hi
  9. Flex
    Flex 9 October 2014 10: 09
    0
    Latin American countries may or may not be .......
    do not give out your assumptions for fait accompli
    1. _my opinion
      _my opinion 9 October 2014 11: 30
      +1
      yes, Alexey - maybe, but maybe not ... BUT now let the headaches hurt about this ... waiting and not knowing where to wait for a retaliation has a strong psychological effect and cools hot heads ...
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 9 October 2014 14: 23
      +1
      the threat is stronger than its execution. The uncertainty factor is the main difficulty in making decisions, especially defense-strategic ones.
  10. r_narozhny
    r_narozhny 9 October 2014 10: 14
    +2
    It becomes scary how you imagine what the stakes are in this game.
  11. Sanglier
    Sanglier 9 October 2014 10: 17
    +15
    You know, I remembered one statement made after the Crimean operation: "All over the world they believed that Russia was on its knees, but she was just laced up her boots!"
  12. erased
    erased 9 October 2014 10: 22
    +1
    If infa is true and reliable - that’s good! When elusive missiles are at hand, the States will keep their plans, or even freeze. With joy for the neighborhood.
  13. netwalker
    netwalker 9 October 2014 10: 22
    +11
    And all the same, well done Putin! smile
    The United States has spent several billion dollars, overthrew several governments of different states, spent several decades stubbornly pursuing its policy. And Putin once flew to South America, watched football and talked about something with the local leader, and on the way back he "jumped" to Cuba, where he talked about something with the Cuban leader and oops ..! All the attempts of the USA, all their money and all the blood they shed - all down the drain ..! smile
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 9 October 2014 14: 25
      +3
      Efficiency is the achievement of maximum results at minimum costs.
  14. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS 9 October 2014 10: 22
    +1
    States and the West do not live in peace, foolishness.
  15. Wedmak
    Wedmak 9 October 2014 10: 25
    +5
    This is all good. Here is just a small question:
    Our ground-based Strategic Missile Forces are surrounded by anti-ballistic missiles. Strategic Rocket Forces are essentially the troops of the last blow, retaliation, when there is nothing else left. Cruise missiles have a different purpose and have one significant drawback - their marching speed is low. So ... even if you scatter these containers all over the world, to every port and transport hub, in case of a sudden attack by the ICBMs of the USA and Great Britain (30 minutes before the apocalypse), the Kyrgyz Republic will simply not have time to remove the anti-missiles deployed in Europe and on Aegis destroyers from the road our ICBMs. Only marine ICBMs remain and their number is not so great. Pentagon hawks might think that casualties are acceptable ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 October 2014 10: 43
      0
      To maximize counteraction against their pro and MBR in the current conditions, another weapon is needed, for example, an aerospace plane with hypersonic missiles and kinetic orbital bombs, this tool can destroy any military base, ships, bunkers and even submarines, but unfortunately we will skid a lot in creating such a system.
    2. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 9 October 2014 11: 02
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      Pentagon hawks might think that casualties are acceptable ...

      Mind they can have enough.
      Just do not forget that the Russian Federation also has the S-500 missile defense system capable of shooting down ICBMs. And the CD can be dealt with by the usual methods - AK-74, Igla with Verba, Tungska with Pantsir and " Thor ", as well as S-300 with S-400, Buk, Wasp, etc. to help smile
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 9 October 2014 11: 16
        +4
        Just do not forget that the Russian Federation also has S-500 missile defense systems capable of shooting down ICBMs

        C-500 is still in trials, if I'm not mistaken. Long-range missile also in trials. The A-135 system protects only Moscow and the region. And only she is able to bring down the warhead ICBMs on the final trajectory.
        And with the CD, you can cope with the usual methods - AK-74, "Igla" with "Verba", "Tungska" with "Pantsir" and "Thor", as well as S-300 with S-400, "Buk", "Wasp" and etc. to help

        You can ... but just do not forget about the number of tomahawks of the enemy. Only one Ohio rearmament has their 154 pieces. There are 18 of them, more than half of them are from KR. Aegis also carry several dozen axes. Mass launch does not reflect us. There is simply not enough ammunition.
        We have one option - a preemptive strike against a concentration of troops, possibly even a nuclear one.
        1. mervino2007
          mervino2007 10 October 2014 10: 21
          0
          The A-135 system protects only Moscow and the region. And only she is able to bring down warhead ICBMs on the final trajectory. And more about the A-135 system is possible?
        2. mervino2007
          mervino2007 10 October 2014 10: 21
          0
          The A-135 system protects only Moscow and the region. And only she is able to bring down warhead ICBMs on the final trajectory. And more about the A-135 system is possible?
    3. igor36
      igor36 9 October 2014 11: 31
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      Our ground-based Strategic Missile Forces are surrounded by anti-missile

      Not certainly in that way. Enough ICBMs are deployed in the Urals and Siberia so that enemies do not have bad thoughts, and if you add SLBMs, then you can destroy all life in the States several times.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 9 October 2014 11: 39
        +1
        What matters is not where they are located, but how they fly. According to the US, their interceptor missiles are capable of shooting down ICBMs just on the ascending segment of the trajectory, when the ICBM is especially vulnerable. And the SLBM for the most part "sits" under a layer of water or ice, and does not know what is happening on the surface. It will pop up for the next communication session, and there ... silence.
        Indeed, while the Yankees are holding back, the damage from a retaliatory strike is unacceptable to them.
        1. igor36
          igor36 10 October 2014 09: 39
          +1
          Quote: Wedmak
          The important thing is not where they are located, but how they fly. According to the US, its anti-missiles are capable of shooting down ICBMs just in the ascending section of the trajectory, when ICBMs are especially vulnerable.

          Just according to the US, when deploying missile defense bases in Europe and Turkey, they will be able (in the future) to shoot down ICBMs deployed in the European part of Russia.
        2. tkhonov66
          tkhonov66 10 October 2014 16: 18
          +3
          "...
          Will pop up for the next communication session, and there ... silence.
          ..."
          .
          System "Perimeter" (blow from the grave). Strategic Missile Forces URV Index - 15E601.
          So, first of all, the "silence" will be listened to by the "intelligent" sensors of THIS system. They listen not only to silence ... They listen to a lot of things. And as soon as this system detects the CRITERION of "silence".
          - so immediately from the central part of the country a special 15P011 TEAM rocket is launched with a special 15B99 warhead, which in flight (with EARNING POWER !!) sends launch commands to all launchers and command points of the Strategic Missile Forces with corresponding receivers. And these receivers work regardless of whether or not someone survived at the consoles or not ...
          .
          - and ALL TAKE OFF able to take off ...
      2. 110600122708
        110600122708 10 October 2014 13: 14
        +4
        And ours is training. Recently we were fishing in the tundra (northern Urals), reindeer herders passed by, decided to take a photo, and then flew
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  17. Rostislav
    Rostislav 9 October 2014 10: 30
    +4
    We do not want war. But do not worry about the answer ...

    Pleased with the article. And even more GDP. More surprises, good and different!
  18. klaus16
    klaus16 9 October 2014 10: 39
    +3
    They are furious right now. Like so, some servants (Russia) raise their heads. Simply, this is what you need to be people to consider the rest of the world as a servant. They rage and make mistakes. True, everyone suffers.
  19. pascal309
    pascal309 9 October 2014 10: 42
    +1
    Very good analytical article! +! Somehow it turned out to be good and quiet that, in the case of time X, we can give our enemies the fatherland, Russian peas .. lei !!!
  20. shuhartred
    shuhartred 9 October 2014 10: 50
    0
    I don’t understand one thing. And what prevents the Americans from disguising their Tomahawks in the same way? As a result, we will get a world ocean stuffed with cruise missiles, which there is no way to track. Or all container ships will have to be drowned, and not only. You can bet on almost any "fisherman". hi
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 9 October 2014 11: 19
      +2
      They have already stuffed the Kyrgyz Republic with all that is possible and impossible. There are several dozen of them on each destroyer, a hundred and a half on the submarine, a dozen on bombers. They do not make sense in disguise, they have a huge fleet and that is where the bulk of the axes are located.
      1. shuhartred
        shuhartred 9 October 2014 16: 39
        0
        Quote: Wedmak
        They have already stuffed the Kyrgyz Republic with all that is possible and impossible.

        Well, we know about these and hopefully keep track of them. But when you do not know where the threat comes from ...
  21. Artyom
    Artyom 9 October 2014 10: 50
    +1
    Why so scare our sworn "partners"? They already have paranoid schizophrenia! Such articles will definitely blow your mind! bully
  22. deminya
    deminya 9 October 2014 10: 51
    +6
    Putin gives completely transparent hints. Many consider this a common political demagogy, but Putin very rarely talks in vain. He must be listened very carefully. For any reason, it gives very important and clear signals. We do not want war. But do not worry about the answer ...

    Putin receives a lot of criticism, but look at our history over the past 10 years and not only ours, how things have changed, I’m sure of it (Putin)!
    1. saag
      saag 9 October 2014 11: 35
      -4
      Quote: deminya
      but you look at our history over the past 10 years and not only ours, how things have changed

      I agree, not even for 10 years, but for the entire period of his stay in power, the number of oligarchs has increased, growth has fallen to 0,5%, more and more people are striving to get into the civil service, personnel hunger at factories, etc. etc.
  23. firevvs
    firevvs 9 October 2014 10: 54
    +2
    Good article, I liked it! :)
  24. givigor71
    givigor71 9 October 2014 10: 54
    +1
    The author correctly said that one should listen attentively to V. Putin. The key word is "listen" ...
  25. 2224460
    2224460 9 October 2014 10: 56
    +13
    In general, the surprise here was a success, and somewhat more ambitious than the author of the corresponding article described. However, the emphasis here should be put differently. This is not a new threat from Putin. This is a natural response of Russia to the deployment of a missile defense system at the borders of Russia.
  26. Dry_T-50
    Dry_T-50 9 October 2014 10: 58
    +2
    That's interesting, but can this special unit be delivered to this RK?
    It can simply be placed on almost any Ural, MAN or Kamaz - and we have an inconspicuous OTRK with tactical nuclear weapons. But the most important thing is different. Such a container can be placed on any bulk carrier that goes to the shores of the United States. A good asymmetric answer would be =))
    Everyone is talking about the US Navy ships in the Black Sea, but no one is talking about the bulk carrier (I didn’t say it, but I liked the phrase) laughing
  27. Sochi
    Sochi 9 October 2014 10: 59
    +3
    I don’t know, but usually they only voice something that is already impossible to hide, or has already locked so that there is no other way out. I don’t think that we are in a hopeless situation, most likely the first and maybe there are developments or maybe finished products that are superior to this complex. But, this is so thinking out loud.
  28. Alexey M
    Alexey M 9 October 2014 11: 05
    +3
    In fact, these Latin American countries can now be used as launching sites for hundreds of Calibers. Which, I note, can be controlled from the outside. From the satellite. In Moscow, a button was pressed, and in Cuba, a couple of dozen containers will have their lids open and launchers raised. And in a minute, there are already a hundred missiles in the air, capable of reaching any targets in the eastern half of the United States.
    A talker is a godsend for a spy !!!! Why are you telling military secrets. wink
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 9 October 2014 14: 31
      +1
      These are not threats; this is a warning. The GDP still hopes that mattress reptilians have at least brain debris present.
  29. a-cola
    a-cola 9 October 2014 11: 05
    +4
    Quote: shuhartred
    I don’t understand one thing. And what prevents the Americans from disguising their Tomahawks in the same way? As a result, we will get a world ocean stuffed with cruise missiles, which there is no way to track. Or all container ships will have to be drowned, and not only. You can bet on almost any "fisherman". hi

    Maybe it is ... Only Amers do not really need it. They have enough warships. And we don’t have enough money to build such a fleet. And here is such an elegant solution. With a flick of the wrist we turn any barge into a missile carrier and no one knows about it. You don’t even have to turn it, anyway, the Amer’s generals should perceive every foreign barge as a potential threat, imagine how their mind pops into their minds))) To attach a submarine to each vessel within a radius of 3000 km?)))
    ps If only all this were not empty fantasies for the purposes of PR, pah, pah, pah, knock, knock, knock.
  30. Moore
    Moore 9 October 2014 11: 05
    0
    ..... And the masking effect of the container execution of "Gauges" is another special plus. After all, Cuba may already be packed with such containers! ...

    I believe that such a performance of "Caliber" will have its own unmasking features, usually associated with high-tech devices.
    First of all - some kind of autonomous power source - and, accordingly, a source of both thermal and electromagnetic radiation.
    It is also necessary to have information about the state of the rocket parameters, which means on board not only the receiver, but also the transmitter with all the ensuing circumstances. And not very powerful - that means you need staff nearby.
    I'm not ready to talk about TVR "Calibers" due to ignorance of the initial characteristics, but if it is limited by conventions like + 5- + 35, it is also microclimate equipment. What will be seen on the thermal imager in this case is generally dark.
    I think the designers have foreseen all this, but there is no perfect weapon. Hence, the combat use of "Caliber" in this design will require some restrictions.
    Well, for example, their placement on the cargo terminals of Latin America seems doubtful.
    1. flSergius
      flSergius 9 October 2014 12: 34
      +1
      But no. The RT-23 UTTH, the Americans disguised as railway cars, were very afraid, because they could not detect them. And here are the standard containers, of which there are thousands with the current turnover. If the Americans undertake to check everything, to climb with detectors in each port, thereby slowing down the process, sailors and port merchants will simply throw them overboard and will continue to do their business. They will, of course, be unhappy that Russia, under the guise of them, carries its weapons, but in reality nobody will do anything to them.
    2. sanyavolhv
      sanyavolhv 9 October 2014 18: 28
      +3
      health
      Quote: Moore
      First of all - some kind of autonomous power source - and, accordingly, a source of both thermal and electromagnetic radiation

      Quote: Moore
      but if it is limited by conventions like + 5- + 35, it’s also microclimate equipment. What will be visible in this case on the thermal imager is generally darkness ..

      why temporary, autonomous? why condo? for this purpose they are placed on standard sites so that everything is available, underground, under water, in some module on the train.
      in any port there are workshops for repairing containers, cars and other equipment, in any port there is a COMMUNICATION with anyone, anywhere (you saw) electricity in the port though ... well, it doesn’t matter what to eat. there are generators on the parachutes .. ., on the railway there is electrification. on a cube, in lat.memerika all this too can suffice. not to mention the logistics centers, which already do not obey ports in ports. In a word, you are wrong. Forgive me, reptile.
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    4. tkhonov66
      tkhonov66 10 October 2014 16: 38
      +1
      "...
      First of all - some kind of autonomous power source - and, accordingly, a source of both thermal and electromagnetic radiation.
      ..."
      .
      in standby mode of such a complex, only a micropowerful RECEIVER works, which periodically turns on and quietly LISTENS ... Well, like - it's time or not time ... Average (!) Long-term consumption of such a receiver is microwatts!
      - and even civilian alkaline batteries (like an energizer 8-) in this mode can work FOR YEARS ... And not to mention the fuel cells that work while there is fuel ...
      8-)
      - well, when the TIME comes, then the POWER SUPPLIES of power are switched on in that container, which will be REAL sources of "both thermal and electromagnetic radiation". But there will be no more than 5 minutes left before the launch ...
      .

      "...
      Infu on the state of the parameters of the rocket must also have
      ..."
      - 1) And it finally - NAFIG ?!
      Who can - that will fly ...
  31. Dinko
    Dinko 9 October 2014 11: 23
    +1
    Putin also talked about the fact that our Western partners, if they need to unilaterally withdraw from all kinds of agreements. So now we have our hands untied and it does not matter where the missiles are based on land or at sea!
  32. Flinky
    Flinky 9 October 2014 11: 24
    +1
    The Naglosaks are the only ones on this planet who have never known the power of Russian weapons.
    But everything happens for the first time.
    1. 416D
      416D 9 October 2014 12: 57
      +2
      Quote: Flinky
      The Naglosaks are the only ones on this planet who have never known the power of Russian weapons.
      But everything happens for the first time.

      Do not forget the Crimean War, the British then lost the elite of their nobility in half an hour. Google "attack of light cavalry / brigade in Crimea"
      1. tkhonov66
        tkhonov66 10 October 2014 16: 41
        +1
        "...
        the British then for half an hour lost the elite of their nobility.
        ..."
        .
        and they PERFECTLY remember it ...
        It’s so good that on the banners of these same units there is forever a sign of participation in that same Crimean company ... Especially since the Naglossaxes then, like, won ...
        .
        - but since then, they prefer to fight with Russia by OTHER HANDS.
        ...
  33. Starmos
    Starmos 9 October 2014 11: 31
    +1
    The article made me happy, right into the heart of Ragozin's words about the development of the military-industrial complex. Bravo, author!
  34. Wolka
    Wolka 9 October 2014 11: 47
    +1
    Russia has previously repeatedly warned the Yankees "not to do this", but the Yankees, as apparently stubborn dullards and the conclusion was not long in coming, the full-scale deployment of anti-pro is no longer zapped ...
  35. Neophyte
    Neophyte 9 October 2014 11: 58
    +1
    Interestingly, in Europe, the production of diapers has increased or it’s already too late: oh .... b!
  36. Lopatov
    Lopatov 9 October 2014 12: 07
    +6
    This is all, of course, cool. But cruise missiles are never "anti-missile defense". Dear Wedmak correctly pointed out that the time factor plays the main role here. CD is too low-speed stuff. In addition, they are much more vulnerable in flight, and this drawback can only be solved by the number and expensive systems to ensure the breakthrough of the CD through the air defense system.

    Medium-range ballistic (pseudo-ballistic) missiles are much more preferable in this regard.




    As for anti-ship missiles, including those in containerized versions, this is the right thing. First of all, to protect the positional areas of submarine missile carriers: before launching missiles, it is necessary to disable ships with missile defense elements on board. Or at least give them a "sensory overload".

    But no more than that, you should not present them as a child prodigy.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 9 October 2014 14: 24
      +3
      Quote: Spade
      KP too slow things. In addition, they are much more vulnerable in flight, and this drawback can be solved only by the quantity and expensive systems for ensuring the breakthrough of the Kyrgyz Republic through the air defense system.


      but they are hardly noticeable. and about speed ...
      I specially copied the performance characteristics of the new air-based X-101 cruise missile from a documentary shown on TV. After all, no one will accuse me of divulging military secrets? You ask - what does the X-101 have to do with it? There the engine is the same - DTRD RD-95TM-300 with a thrust of 500 kgf (according to Wikipedia).


      Most likely there is a Rybinsk (Omsk MKB) engine TRDD-50 (IZD. 36MT) .or RD-95TM-300 is a Ukrainian engine. Serial production in Zaporozhye. According to our characteristics, it surpasses the Ukrainian one used on the Kyrgyz Republic X-55 and X-55SM. Back in the days of Yeltsin, a decision was made on import substitution, as it is fashionable to say now.
      Small GTE programs of NPO Saturn. Status at the beginning of 2008
      Hindus and Israelis wanted to use it to convert the Lakshya UAV into a cruise missile. But technology transfer difficulties have arisen due to an international missile technology control agreement.
      In 2007, the Russian NPO Saturn is to supply 200 small engines for Indian UAVs Lakshya. Engines with a thrust of 500 kg will be developed on the basis of the turbojet engine-50MT, originally intended for Russian cruise missiles. The flight life of the engine will increase from 45 minutes to several tens of hours.

      As the commercial director of NPO Saturn, Vasily Danilov, said, the first one-year contract was signed with India in April this year, and design work is currently underway within its framework. As for the issue of transferring a license to India for the production of engines, now it is under consideration by the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation of the Russian Federation (FSMTC), which may not give its consent to transfer the license. This is due to the fact that on the basis of the Lakshya UAV, Delhi plans to develop a cruise missile with a range of 600 km, designed to carry a combat load weighing 350 kg.

      Such missiles are subject to the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) missile technology control agreement. With licensed production, uncontrolled use of these engines on cruise missiles is possible.


      I don’t know how it all ended. I know just in 2012. nevertheless, they planned to supply engines to India under a general contract for $ 8 billion.
      There were intentions to supply these small engines to the Chinese as well.

      Pictured is a split model engine TRDD-50AT (photo from the exhibition MAKS-2005).
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 9 October 2014 18: 12
        +1
        Speed ​​is cool. But for cruise missiles, the price of speed is the same range.
    2. tkhonov66
      tkhonov66 10 October 2014 16: 48
      +1
      "...
      But cruise missiles are never "anti-missile defense"
      ..."
      .
      yes, maybe they are not "antiPRO", but they (at such and such ranges) are a full-fledged strategic "nuclear weapons" ...
      Of the containers - of course, it is unlikely - the radioactive radiation of the warhead is already very easily detected - but from submarines and surface warships - so it is easy ...
  37. polkownik1
    polkownik1 9 October 2014 12: 11
    +3
    Americans throughout their history have had an "invulnerability" complex generated by the three oceans around their continent. Reminds me of the actions of my mighty shepherd Rem, hiding from a thunderstorm (thunder) in a cardboard box from under the refrigerator :))) So we apply the principle of Aikido: we use the strength of the enemy (his hope for distance from the theater) against him.
  38. shelva
    shelva 9 October 2014 12: 16
    0
    We all have something to rejoice at, and let the adversary cheekbones.
  39. ququ
    ququ 9 October 2014 12: 30
    +3
    Quote: deminya
    ... but you look at our history over the past 10 years and not only ours, how things have changed ...


    I’ll add a bit of economics (today's review of the reasons for the events in Hong Kong in the context of the approaching raising of the US public debt level and the movement towards abandoning the dollar)

    The attempt to launch the classic “color coup” in Xiangang (Hong Kong) was a surprise for many. It seemed that Washington, which had simultaneously got involved in the war in Ukraine, the sanctioned confrontation with Russia, and military operations against the “Islamic State,” is now not up to a worsening of relations with China. However, the United States took such a risk ....

    There is little doubt that American ears stick out of the Hong Kong riots. This is evidenced, in particular, by the almost exact coincidence of the scenarios of the Hong Kong "revolution of umbrellas" and the Ukrainian Maidan. The PRC media pointed out that the leaders of the Occupy Central movement were trained under the programs of the American special services, and the movement itself originated in the Hong Kong-American Center. As in Kiev, the U.S. Consulate General attended the protests, and the head of the center, M. Holbrook, and Hong Kong media mogul Jimmy Lai, who financed the organization of riots in Xianggang, are close to one of the key figures in the neoconservative lobby in America, former US Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz.

    Hua Chunin, spokesman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry, said: “We are against any outside interference and foreign support for the Occupy Central movement. "We urge the countries behind the organization to carefully monitor their words and actions - their own and their wards." And the Chinese Foreign Minister, Wang Yi, in talks with US Secretary of State J. Kerry firmly made it clear that other states should not intervene in the events in Xiangang.

    Washington does not hide the desire to undermine the stability of China in Washington. As if copying his statements on Ukraine, J. Kerry called on Beijing to exercise restraint towards the participants in the mass protests and allow them to peacefully express their opinions. Again, the blocking of administrative buildings is declared peaceful actions, and the authorities' attempts to restore order are proclaimed violence against citizens ...
    1. tkhonov66
      tkhonov66 10 October 2014 16: 56
      +1
      "...
      Again, the blocking of administrative buildings is declared peaceful actions, and the authorities' attempts to restore order are proclaimed violence against citizens ...
      ..."
      .
      UNDER US LAWS - "ANY attempt to prevent a state official (USA) from performing his official duties" (well, for example, to blockade an administrative building) - is a SERIOUS CRIMINAL CRIME (fellony) - and is punishable by IMMEDIATE ARREST followed by up to XNUMX years in prison ...
      .
      And these people tell the whole world how to "pick his nose" !!
      .
      SHAME on the police state - USA - the main INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST, the world's greatest BANDIT-KILLER-FORCEANT, the total spy-DIVERSANT-INSTRUCTOR-HIRE
    2. Vasek
      Vasek 10 October 2014 21: 54
      +1
      Quote: ququ
      Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi

      laughing laughing laughing
      , formerly known as Yi Wang, but having changed his name to Wang Yi for further service in the PRC.
  40. ququ
    ququ 9 October 2014 12: 31
    +2
    A few days later, on October 17, US public debt will once again reach the installed ceiling of 16,7 trillion. dollars - and it will be raised again, since neither the Americans themselves nor the US creditors are interested in the uncontrolled collapse of the American economy. At the same time, the accumulation of debts cannot continue indefinitely. According to the banker and financial consultant J. Rickards, with the continuation of the existing policy, the next crisis will break out "in a year or two, but you will not have to wait six years."

    Meanwhile, Beijing, rejecting Washington’s proposal to create the “Big Two” (USA - China), in September 2013 announced its own Eurasian integration project - the New Silk Road. In addition to the friendly PRC states of Central Asia and Russia, it was assumed that Ukraine would participate in this project. During the visit of former President of Ukraine V. Yanukovych to China in December 2013, an agreement was reached between Beijing and Kiev on the construction by the Chinese in the Crimea, in the region of Yevpatoria, of a deep-water port with a cargo turnover of 140 million tons per year and a deep-water channel, as well as an airport, shipyards, refineries, LNG plant and other facilities.

    In November 2013, the Central Bank of China decided that “the accumulation of foreign currency no longer meets the interests of China” and hit a US financial instrument against gold, such as the virtual currency Bitcoin. The Central Bank of China issued an official statement that the country's financial institutions are not allowed to trade Bitcoin. Meanwhile, approximately 62% of the total volume of all transactions with Bitcoin in the world is conducted on Chinese sites.
  41. ququ
    ququ 9 October 2014 12: 34
    +2
    One cannot but be apprehensive about the US and China’s pursuing policy of accumulating gold and foreign exchange reserves, which is regarded in Beijing as “one of the key strategies of China, regardless of whether it is required for the economic security of the state or to accelerate the internationalization of the yuan. In China, there is the Shanghai Gold Exchange, which trades at yuan. In addition, Chinese banks have adopted the new standards of the Basel Committee on Banking Supervision, Basel-3, according to which gold is recognized as a full-fledged financial asset, which, when calculating equity, is quoted as the most reliable treasury paper or cash. The banks of the United States and Western Europe, with the exception of Switzerland, were not ready to adopt new rules, which entered into force on January 1, 2013. The danger to the dollar is further aggravated by the significant presence in the banking capital of Hong Kong of the Rothschilds, who have long been hatching a plan to return to the gold standard , which would mean a complete collapse of the unsecured dollar. For example, in 2000, the Rothschild-affiliated Standard Chartered Bank bought the retail business of the Rockefeller Chase Manhattan Bank in Hong Kong, crowding out American rivals from China.

    * * *

    Numerous risks for the US dollar existed before, but the situation around Ukraine intensified the Sino-American confrontation.

    Moscow and Beijing decided to switch to national currencies in mutual settlements. In addition to the agreement reached between China and Japan in 2012, a similar decision was made for China's trade with Argentina in RMB. The total volume of currency swaps will be $ 11 billion. Russia and Russia are also taking steps to refuse foreign trade from the dollar. According to Russian President Vladimir Putin, speaking at the Russia Calling! Forum, the country intends to actively switch to national currencies in foreign economic settlements with China and other partners. Gazprom Neft has already carried out the first trial supply of oil for rubles to China, two to Europe. For the full transition of black gold trade to rubles, it will be necessary to create exchanges that will set oil prices in rubles, which should serve to strengthen the exchange rate of the Russian currency and weaken the oil dollar.
  42. ququ
    ququ 9 October 2014 12: 34
    +4
    The latest developments in the gold market are impressive. On September 19, 2014, the first trading on the Shanghai Gold Exchange took place, in which 40 foreign companies took part. The new exchange has 58 certified repositories located in 36 cities of China. A large stream of physical gold, unlike depersonalized gold on the London stock exchange and futures in New York, makes the Chinese exchange a serious competitor. In addition, the Hong Kong-based China Gold and Silver Company (CSC) announced that it plans to build a new huge storage facility for precious metals in Shenzhen, which will bring together the gold markets of Shanghai and Hong Kong. The start of the project is scheduled for October 13, 2014. Does this not explain why Hong Kong blazed on September 30?

    Due to the high security of the renminbi, the Chinese currency also receives international recognition. Thus, the UK Treasury Department announced the issuance of the first bonds in RMB, the proceeds of which will become part of the UK foreign reserves in the currency stabilization fund. The Swiss National Bank is also considering adding RMB as one of its reserve assets. In 2015, the renminbi may be included in the IMF “special drawing rights”.

    In parallel, other countries are increasing their gold reserves. According to a review by the World Gold Council, over the past 6 months, Russia has increased its reserves by 54 tons and moved into fifth place in terms of gold reserves in the world. An impressive amount of gold of 24,7 tons was acquired by the National Bank of Kazakhstan. According to the representative of the Official Forum of Currency and Financial Institutions D. Marsh, the trend of gold accumulation in Russia and Kazakhstan may be part of a coordinated monetary policy. The actual size of China's gold reserves is unknown. When Beijing provides updated information on its gold reserves, it will be possible to judge the combined gold reserves of Russia, China, Kazakhstan and other SCO members.
  43. a lex loci
    a lex loci 9 October 2014 12: 36
    +5
    Slowly we get up from the karaoke, the poses in which Hunchback and Glass were set, as well as the corrupt top of the native Communist Party ....
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 9 October 2014 14: 42
      +1
      Which carried out "perestroika" as a project for the restoration of capitalism in the USSR with the primary accumulation of capital through the transformation of the administrative resource of the party nomenklatura into the private property of "new capitalists" (oligarchy).
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  46. slavaslava556
    slavaslava556 9 October 2014 12: 40
    -1
    I apologize for interfering, but someone should at least sometimes even tell the truth on such a patriotic website. Although the rocket itself is good.
    The first one. As far as I know, it is prohibited to place weapons on civilian objects. And apparently this is why no one is purchasing these so-called container installations.
    Secondly. None of the countries in the Western Hemisphere will ever agree that the United States would carry out repetitions of Afghanistan, Iraq and more on their territory. Examples on the face. No matter how much Putin tried to persuade them, including Cuba, no one deployed anything on their territory. Weight categories are not compatible.
    The third. How to solve the problem of target designation?
    A huge request not to respond like Sam D_k.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 October 2014 13: 17
      +1
      The missile is on GLONASS.
    2. sanyavolhv
      sanyavolhv 9 October 2014 18: 45
      +2
      health
      forgive generously, they fool around - a man who knows little, understands.
      forbidden a lot of all. for example, it is forbidden to bomb without the permission of the UN all countries .... but who pays attention to this?
      you probably didn’t understand, NOBODY WILL ASK OFFICIALLY from countries for permission to place their weapons in these countries. sorry containers will arrive AND EVERYTHING. even these countries will not be able to track the entire flow of containers. have you been to ports visit. although the rule of good form, dictates at the very top to get approval with a nod of the leader’s head ....
      I will not tell you about your ignorance. I will say about your naivety.
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    4. TOR2
      TOR2 9 October 2014 20: 55
      +1
      Quote: slavaslava556
      The first one. As far as I know, it is prohibited to place weapons on civilian objects.

      Look at Ukraine. The word forbidden is not linked to anything there.
    5. tkhonov66
      tkhonov66 10 October 2014 17: 08
      +1
      "...
      The first one. As far as I know, it is prohibited to place weapons on civilian objects.
      ..."
      .
      And who was talking about some kind of "placement"? !!!
      EXCLUSIVELY ONLY TRANSPORTATION AND STORAGE. As a commodity.
      In a shipping container.
      - well, the fact that that container is at the same time START-UP ...
      so nothing can be done. Such are the design features of the "product".
      8-)
      .
      "...
      And apparently this is why no one is purchasing these so-called container installations.
      ..."
      .
      - Aha! Someone told you that he buys them ...
      Well, you are the most-and-alive!
      8-)
      .
      "...
      No matter how much Putin tried to persuade them, including Cuba, no one deployed anything on their territory.
      ..."
      .
      - Well, RA-ZU-ME-YETSA !!
      What kind of "deployment" can be ?!
      About any "deployment" and SPEECH CANNOT BE!
      Exceptionally TEMPORARY STORAGE (Transshipment / HOLD) of standard freight containers ...
      Ordinary trading relationships - buy-sell ...
      8-))
  47. ququ
    ququ 9 October 2014 12: 41
    +1
    Miles pradon for a seamless review from the Strategic Development Fund - this will not happen again ...
    It just explains a lot - (IMHO) "the dollar should be everywhere", and African Americans should not (cannot) work and reduce consumption)))
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 October 2014 13: 23
      +1
      To cool you a little: the USA and China are the main trade
      partners. Their economies are so tied together that it’s hard
      imagine. Even start a war between them, they will have to
      continue to trade in parallel to finance the same war laughing
      1. ququ
        ququ 9 October 2014 13: 41
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        To cool you a little: the USA and China are the main trade
        partners. Their economies are so tied together that it’s hard to imagine.

        The USA is not the only country on the planet with which it is possible to trade ... It is only one of the countries ... with not very clean partnerships ...
        Confirmation is the rejection of the "Big Two" and the declaration in September 2013 of its own (Chinese) project of Eurasian integration - "The New Silk Road".
      2. The Art of War
        The Art of War 10 October 2014 06: 15
        0
        The United States is the main debtor to China. So why should China trade with the United States when the United States plows on China for rations of pottage.
  48. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 9 October 2014 13: 11
    0
    Why should Americans really puzzle what to do with these marine
    rockets?
    If an agreement on medium-range missiles exists, then a nuclear warhead
    It is forbidden to bet on them. Without a nuclear warhead, this is an ordinary Tomahawk.
    If there is no agreement, then the Americans will deploy their medium-range ballistic missiles in Europe with a flying
    5 minutes before the mines and launchers of Russian ICBMs. And here it will be necessary to Russian
    side to think how to live on ...
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 9 October 2014 13: 17
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      the Americans will deploy their medium-range ballistic missiles in Europe

      And where will they get them, dear?
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 9 October 2014 19: 04
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Americans will deploy medium-range ballistic missiles in Europe with flying
      5 minutes before the mines and launchers of Russian ICBMs.


      The Americans have long abandoned the MRBM ... Europe is up to them. Now they are implementing the concentration of the NBU. We need to think about the MRBM in order to cover the European theater of operations completely. Since 2007 the BSU concept approved by the Congress is being implemented. This gave rise to essentially a new type of weapon called "strategic non-nuclear weapons" or SNYAS - strategic non-nuclear forces. For the Americans, these are sea, air and space carriers (more precisely, aerospace attack vehicles operating simultaneously in two environments).
    3. tkhonov66
      tkhonov66 10 October 2014 17: 18
      0
      "...
      If an agreement on medium-range missiles exists, then a nuclear warhead
      it is forbidden to put on them.
      ..."
      .
      You read the article inattentively.
      MARINE BASED cruise missiles - do not fall under any restrictions ...
  49. ququ
    ququ 9 October 2014 13: 23
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    If there is no agreement, then the Americans will deploy their medium-range ballistic missiles in Europe ...

    ))) I think that if Europe allowed the Americans to deploy their medium-range ballistic missiles, they would have done so long ago without any agreements.

    And so ((to paraphrase) as rightly stated above) no one in Europe needs Afghanistan on its territory ...)
    1. kenig1
      kenig1 9 October 2014 20: 29
      +1
      You will not believe, Poland has already asked to place rockets on its territory, and the Balts are sleeping and seeing.
  50. Yugra
    Yugra 9 October 2014 13: 30
    0
    So I want it to be a reality, not guesswork ...
    1. tkhonov66
      tkhonov66 10 October 2014 17: 19
      0
      The most terrible thing for 3.14ndosia is guesses ...
      8-)