Turkmen interest of the Islamic state

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The attack of the Islamists from Afghanistan to the north can change the "gas balance" for both the West and the East

It is already clearly visible - preparations for the “Central Asian spring” are in full swing. Moreover, in addition to the eastern direction - through Kyrgyzstan and Uzbek Fergana, along the previously tested route of an advance to the north, the Islamists are preparing for a breakthrough the direction of western - to Turkmenistan. This is evidenced by what is happening in the border north-western regions of Afghanistan.

The attacks on the Turkmen border posts marked throughout the winter, spring and summer of 2014, in stark contrast to the calm on the Afghan-Turkmen border during the time of President Niyazov, whose relations with the Taliban can be described as positive neutrality. Since the beginning of autumn, the situation on the Afghan side of the border has deteriorated significantly.

Hundreds of civilians died, dozens of houses burned. Marked mass beheadings, previously uncharacteristic for this region. To experts it reminds handwriting ISIS. Turkmen border guards not only suffer significant casualties, but are also captured by Islamists. You can talk about the militants clearing border areas from the local population and preparing operational corridors for breaking through the Afghan-Turkmen border under the spring offensive of 2015.

Ashgabat in search of allies

The leadership of Turkmenistan is clearly aware of this. In addition to information on the strengthening of the Afghan border, which nobody has been engaged in since the collapse of the USSR, it should be noted that Ashgabat’s interaction with potential allies is intensifying - obviously not only on border security. For example, on September 10, IRNA reported on the visit of the Minister of Defense of the Islamic Republic of Iran, General Hosein Dehgan, to Turkmenistan - the first history bilateral relations.

The visit of the Iranian minister invited to Turkmenistan by his local counterpart, Begench Gundogdiyev, can be viewed as evidence of the start of coordinating Ashgabat’s actions with Tehran in the area of ​​regional security. That is why it was not the commander of the border troops who was invited, which is logical if it were only about border security, but the Minister of Defense.

Dehgana was received by President Berdymukhammedov. The main topic of the visit was the interaction of Turkmenistan with Iran in the event of an invasion of Turkmenistan by Afghanistan. In the near future, maneuvers of the Iranian army are planned in the northeast ostan (province) of the Iranian Khorasan - Khorasan Rezavi. Turkmen military invited to these maneuvers as observers.

Characterized by the sudden appearance of the President of Turkmenistan in Dushanbe at the SCO summit as an honorary guest - although the country he headed earlier defiantly distanced itself from any regional initiatives and is not part of this international association. "On the margins of the summit," he held meetings with the presidents of Iran, Mongolia, the chairman of the People's Republic of China, as well as officials of a lesser rank from India and Pakistan.

The balance of power and threats

All this is clearly connected with the fact that the so-called Turkmen Taliban and their allies are pulling up forces in north-western Afghanistan, concentrating in two vilayets - Faryab and Bagdis. They control the road that runs along the Turkmen border, and can at any time launch an offensive both in the Murghab valley (Bagdis) and in the Andkhoy region (Faryab). Thus, they took control of almost all the territories along which the future TAPI gas pipeline could potentially go (Turkmenistan - Afghanistan - Pakistan - India).

Outside the control of the Islamists, there is still a territory along which the TAPI highway can be laid in Herat vilayet, along the Afghan-Iranian border. However, the route to Herat has always caused opposition from the United States, who would like to put Chevron at the head of construction as an operator. However, these considerations are relevant if the main task of the radicals in this region of Afghanistan is to block the TAPI gas pipeline or parasitize it to “protect”, if it will eventually be laid. It is possible that their goals are much more ambitious.

It is likely that the Afghan radicals will move to Turkmenistan. In this case, they will come not from Faryab, but from Bagdis vilayet, along the Murghab river valley. Despite the fact that there is a large fortified area in this place and the Takhta-Bazarsky border camp (from the name of the village Takhta-Bazar) is based since the times of the USSR, the Murghab valley is attractive as an offensive route to the north. There is a population that can be taken hostage, a grocery base, good roads, a large number of civilian and military vehicles and weapon.

As for the Turkmen Armed Forces, in the Iraqi Mosul, the army group that opposed the Islamists was much more significant and much better armed. It didn’t stop the ISIL fighters from taking the city. In the described Turkmen situation from Takhta Bazar on asphalt, you can quickly reach Iolotani, next to which is a large group of Galkynysh deposits (Southern Iolotan, Minara and others) - the Transcaspia resource base for Europe.

Currently, these fields are being developed by a group of service companies, mainly Chinese. In addition to them, Korean and Japanese companies supply and adjust equipment. It is from there that the East-West gas pipeline is being built to the Caspian coast. From Galkynysh, adjacent to the Murghab oasis, the pipe will stretch to 2016 year to the point Belek Turkmen, off the coast of the Caspian Sea. From this point it can go to the north, along the route of the Caspian pipeline that has not been built (Turkmenistan-Kazakhstan-Russia) or through the Caspian Sea, to the west. The first stage of the pipeline will pass 34 – 36 billions of cubic meters of gas per year. It is for this volume that a station is being built at the Galkynysh field for the drying and pre-sale preparation of gas, which is scheduled to be commissioned in the 2016 year.

Restitution smells gas

It should be noted that during the defeat of the Basmac movement in the 20-30-ies a number of large and influential Turkmen clans went to Afghanistan. Their ancestral lands remained in the territory of Turkmenistan. Claims for the return of these lands are still heard; this is the subject of constant blackmail of the Turkmen government by the Afghan Turkmen. This is especially true due to the fact that the two largest natural gas deposits are located near the lands that were lost by these clans - the Serakh and Murghab oases. The Davletabad fields adjacent to the Serakh oasis are the main source of raw materials for TAPI.

Turkmen interest of the Islamic state


More recently, the Taliban completely controlled the Afghan-Turkmen borderland. In the area of ​​Kushki, Takhta-Bazar and to the east - Andkhoy and Imam-Mazar, they were supplied with fuel and lubricants, from there Ukrainian Tanks and other weapons and military equipment. Fuel and lubricants were delivered along these routes for the Taliban after the coalition forces were introduced in 2001 precisely from the Turkmen territory. From the mid-zero to about 2010, it was fairly calm in these areas until the Salafis and other radicals appeared there. They fought with local leaders and seized power in some places.

Now the non-Turkmen are catching up with them, but there is no data, the Taliban is this or someone who is associated with Pashtuns and Tajiks. It is possible that these are IMU militants, including those who fought in Iraq and Syria in the ranks of the Islamic State. It is known from local Turkmen that many strangers come and they are not Afghans. Hazaras, Turkmen, Kurds, and Tajiks live in the area, but not too often, but they say about the newcomers precisely as about “mercenaries” and “foreigners”.

It is not yet clear why foreign jihadists are gathering in this region of Afghanistan. It is clear that the winter bases are being arranged, although it is likely that before winter they will not attack the Turkmen territory more than once. In the spring everything will clear up. If they saddle the road between Faryab and Bagdis and simply disturb Turkmen border guards, then their target is TAPI, a blockade of a pipeline or a racket. If they go along the Murghab deep into the territory of Turkmenistan, this is a direct threat to the East-West and Trans-Caspian projects. In this case, the implementation of the TAPI project will also be complicated, since the resource base - Davletabad is cut off from the main route.

Be that as it may, the A76 Andkhoy-Herat highway is brought under control by Islamists in several places: in the east of Faryab and in Bagdis. It is possible that by the spring in the north-west of Afghanistan a new enclave of the IG will be proclaimed. Judging by the mood in Herat, the concern of the local population and the authorities will not manifest itself until the beginning of the siege. The problems of the border areas do not care about them yet. Given the onset of autumnal cold, the official authorities of Afghanistan are unlikely to try to fight off the road to Bagdis and Faryab. At the same time, the IG attempted to gain a foothold in Afghan Kunduz. Before 80, people from this “landing” were killed by local Tajiks.

Whose tube is thicker

The Pipeline War in Central Asia continues - Turkmenistan is a bone of contention between Russia, Iran, China with its Central Asia-China project (CAC), the EU lobbying for the Trans-Caspian gas pipeline with the support of the United States, trying to reduce deliveries to the PRC and reduce to zero re-export of Turkmen gas through Russia, and TAPI. The latter is lobbied by the United States and Qatar and is trying to torpedo Saudi Arabia, which continues to fight this emirate in all areas of its foreign economic and foreign policy activities.

Characteristically, Qatar is attempting to expand its influence in the region, including traditionally closely associated with Iran and Tajikistan. 18 September was visited by a Qatari delegation headed by Sheikh Khalid ibn Soni oli Soni, chairman of the board of directors of the Izdon holding, who, at a meeting with President Emomali Rahmon, proposed cooperation in insurance, healthcare, banking, and active participation in several projects in Tajikistan. Before that, experts considered Kyrgyzstan, where their embassies were opened, as the main base for penetration of Qatar and Saudi Arabia into the region.

It is not excluded that Qatar’s sudden interest in Tajikistan is associated with the signing of 2013 in September during the visit of PRC Chairman Xi Jinping to Central Asia with the leadership of Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan on the construction and operation of the CAC gas pipeline. This route with a length of more than a thousand kilometers is one of the main projects of energy cooperation between China and the countries of Central Asia. It will begin in Turkmenistan, pass through the territory of the three countries mentioned and reach China in the city of Ucha in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region (XUAR). Construction should be completed in 2016 year, design capacity - 30 billion cubic meters per year.

The amount of investment in the construction of the line D is about 6,7 billion dollars. Upon completion of its construction, the annual volume of gas supplies through the TsAK gas pipeline will increase from 55 to 85 billion cubic meters. The pipeline will be the largest natural gas transportation system in Central Asia.

There is copper - and not to fuck

Note that in addition to pipelines in the region there is another important factor for China - the Aymak deposit, the second largest in the world in copper reserves. It was bought by the PRC, but there is not enough electricity for its development and primary enrichment of ore in the region. The issue with the Pakistani port of Gwadar, through which it was planned to export raw materials and where it was supposed to carry out enrichment to a higher stage, is not completely clear. Natural gas from Iran through the Mir pipe has been brought to the border from the Iranian side, but the Pakistani section of the pipeline has not been built and it is possible that it will not be built for a long time. Prospects for gas supplies through TAPI are also dubious - it was precisely to Gwadar that it was planned to branch off this pipeline.

The exploitation of Afghan lithium deposits, a resource of world importance, whose development is also impossible without infrastructure, has also been frozen. Accordingly, the Chinese factor in the region did not manifest itself, and how the PRC will behave in the event of an aggravation of the situation according to the scenario described above is not entirely clear. In any case, to access the fields, China needs infrastructure and energy. To build it and put energy resources in the region in the current conditions is more than problematic.

Cattle-Border Issue

The Afghan authorities do not control either the Afghan frontier in terms of the drug trade and the penetration of Islamist groups, or the movement of herders in the area between the demarcation line and the control-trace strip (PCB). Overgrazing livestock on the Afghan side of the border, land degradation leading to catastrophic mudflows even with low precipitation, and man-made desertification make Afghan dehkans and shepherds graze livestock in the so-called gray zone, especially since they consider this territory of Turkmenistan to be theirs.

Since Soviet times, between the demarcation line, indicated almost exclusively by pillars, that is, the actual boundary, 744 kilometer in length, to the control-trace strip, the distance is up to 20 – 30 kilometers along the entire border, especially in the mountains, where PCB is not built. This has been and remains a problem. Thus, the Iranians in the Soviet era reached with the grazing of livestock up to Ashgabat. The "gray" zone is controlled by border guards and secrets. By the way, thanks to her, Turkmenistan had the largest protected area in the USSR.

The aggravation of the situation in the Turkmen-Afghan border area posed the problem of its urgent strengthening from the Turkmen side. Afghan Turkmen from the Barakzai clan of the Qaisar etrap in the province of Faryab claim that in the course of carrying out the relevant events, the soldiers of Turkmenistan dived into their territory by five to six kilometers.

Actually, Turkmen border guards did not enter the Afghan territory. But they equipped barrage systems closer to the border demarcation line. At the same time, the ditch is four meters wide and five meters deep, reinforced with metal mesh barriers along which the road is laid, is clearly not designed to protect the border from cattle penetration. Tellingly, the strengthening of the Pakistani-Afghan border began at the same time, where ditches were dug up and barbed wire barriers from Pakistan were installed.

Less islam

In addition to external security, the leadership of Turkmenistan in August conducted a “de-Islamization” of the education system. As part of the implementation of the bilateral agreement “On cooperation in the field of education”, concluded between the governments of Turkmenistan and Turkey dated 15 in August 2014, the Turkmen-Turkish school and the Turkmen-Turkish university were closed. The school was left for the children of employees of Turkish companies operating in Turkmenistan. The university has been transformed, its programs have been revised, and tuition fees have been introduced by significant local standards.

At the same time, the agreement between Turkmenistan and Turkey in the field of education completely excluded any non-state interference. As part of the tightening of the teaching regime, subjects related to the study of religion and prayer hours, which were mandatory breaks between lessons, were excluded. All innovations of Fethullah Gülen are eliminated by mutual consent of the parties. Fortunately, Gülen's “Jemaat” during political reforms in Turkey, which resulted in Recep Tayyip Erdogan becoming president of this country, spoke out against him, playing the role of the “fifth column” in the government, Justice and Development Party, law enforcement and security agencies.

Route intrigue

From the point of view of realizing the potential of Turkmenistan as a reservoir of natural gas of world importance, the main intrigue of 2014 – 2015 will be the preservation (for the PRC, Russia and Iran) or the change (for the European Union and / or Pakistan) of export routes. A special question is the role of Islamist radicals based on the territory of Afghanistan in everything that happens, regardless of whether Qatar or Saudi Arabia supports them and whether the United States is behind this (and for whom).

The influence of the latter in the region is often exaggerated. So, among domestic military experts there is a strong opinion that the United States controls a military airfield in the city of Mary. Local experts say that there are no Americans there. They came there, conducted an examination and appealed to the Turkmen authorities for access to the airfield, but were refused.

In practice, the US logistics base operates at 2002 at the airport in Ashgabat, which is used to transport “non-lethal” cargo for the NATO group in Afghanistan. Military planes are seated there, the cargo is overloaded and then follows to Afghanistan (or was taken out of it as part of the withdrawal of the main American military contingent from that country until the end of 2014 of the year). The airport in Mary is much more convenient from the point of view of logistics, but the leadership of Turkmenistan did not give permission for this - it is possible, based on considerations of prospects for cooperation with Iran and Russia.

For all the independence of Turkmenistan, he has to reconcile his development plans with reality. Requiring neighbors in the Caspian Basin to abandon the principle of collective consent for laying pipelines along the seabed, which is a major obstacle to the export of Turkmen gas to the EU, President Berdymukhammedov may. To force Russia and Iran objecting to this to agree - no. Moreover, Azerbaijan is not ready to provide its gas transportation infrastructure to Ashgabat. It is unlikely that the United States or the Taliban will be able to change this situation.
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  1. +5
    8 October 2014 18: 34
    You read and understand that the East is not a thin, but a thick matter ... The East is a thick matter, Petruha!
    1. +4
      8 October 2014 18: 42
      Get ready for hot days in Turkmenistan.
      1. nvv
        nvv
        +3
        8 October 2014 18: 55
        ......... Not only Ukraine but also Asia
      2. +1
        8 October 2014 23: 11
        Quote: Thought Giant
        Get ready for hot days in Turkmenistan.

        not only Turkmenistan ...
        ISIS raised 3,14 a war exclusively for the explosion of Greater Turkestan, against Russia and China, as well as to break their continental ties. But, the main thing is control over world oil reserves.
        They took into account all the lessons, all the plans for the 3 world ...

        Map of 5 Summer Caliphate Plans.
        Isn't it the Barbarossa plan?

        It is hoped that ISIS will be under their control ...
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    3. pok09
      -5
      9 October 2014 01: 30
      I have no idea who is good at this, but look what I found. This is http://lc.cx/arch an information base with materials about all citizens of our state, it is completely in open form walking on the network and anyone can use it. It would seem "well, let it be, I have nothing to hide", but the most frightening thing about this is that there is a lot of secret information.
  2. +7
    8 October 2014 18: 36
    Moreover, in addition to the eastern direction - through Kyrgyzstan and the Uzbek Ferghana, along the previously tested route of the offensive to the north, the Islamists are preparing to break through the western direction to Turkmenistan.

    Yes it’s rubbish! Asian INDEPENDENT states, to be honest, are obliged to this to a certain extent by Russia! Since stability in these republics is like a buffer at these borders! And if there are problems, then they will have to be solved together and very hard not almond like in Ukraine! Here the tolerance of death is similar. And then the opportunity to implement a bunch of treaties like the SCO, CSTO and other pacts!
  3. +2
    8 October 2014 18: 53
    Russia itself needs to prepare for war with the Islamists. We have this infection in Central Russia, the South, Bashkiria, Siberia, Tatarstan and God knows where else.
  4. Viktor Kudinov
    +6
    8 October 2014 19: 00
    The main trouble of Turkmenistan is its small human potential compared to its neighbors. Having huge natural resources, especially gas, he is not able to protect them from real aggression with his army. Only conflict of interests of neighboring countries saves. However, the emergence of an incomprehensible hostile force on the border with Afghanistan destroys the former balance. Therefore, the search for allies is logical. Most likely Iran or Turkey, China and Russia.
    1. +7
      8 October 2014 19: 14
      The biggest trouble of Turkmenistan is the lack of higher education in the USSR on their territory.
      1. Viktor Kudinov
        +1
        9 October 2014 06: 04
        It doesn’t matter. Many countries live without higher education in the USSR and flourish. I advise you to delve into the information about today's Turkmenistan - how they live. After all, do not live in poverty ...
  5. +4
    8 October 2014 19: 13
    But the situation, it seems, Berdymukhamedov, despite all his emphasized neutrality and isolation from other countries of Central Asia, begins to pump, and the roll - forced - goes towards the CSTO and SCO. And from Ashgabat to Russia it’s so fried that our diplomats and reconnaissance will have to work in sweat within the very next six months (and most likely - they are already working tirelessly today). Anxious ... Fatalism of Asians multiplied by faith is a very, very unpleasant matter ... However, inshalla ...
    1. SSR
      +1
      8 October 2014 23: 16
      Quote: Ryndabul
      But the situation, it seems, Berdymukhamedov, despite all his emphasized neutrality and isolation from other countries of Central Asia, begins to pump, and the roll - forced - goes towards the CSTO and SCO. And from Ashgabat to Russia it’s so fried that our diplomats and reconnaissance will have to work in sweat within the very next six months (and most likely - they are already working tirelessly today). Anxious ... Fatalism of Asians multiplied by faith is a very, very unpleasant matter ... However, inshalla ...

      In general, even from the time of the moronic Turkmenabashi and, in fact, the local prince on the pipe, Turkmenistan followed the worst of the scenarios of the region there, only Uzbekistan is worse (education incomprehensible in the likeness of Ukraine) and Tajikistan, then Kyrgyzstan closes Kazakhstan, the Turkmen of the tower already made a distortion of type the public transport is free of charge ... The second third, but even then the army was slurping the balance! And they drafted into the army from tribes not close to the Turkmenabashi tribe.
      Well, for today, taking into account all the previous golden ruhnaman, the statues and balands for the outcast Gurban of which Berdy can know all the sophistication of Anglo-Saxon politics, Uzbekistan is next in line, then Tajikistan, but the Tajiks during the years of the war had a certain balance between all parties, Kyrgyzstan after all of revolutions and two bloodsheds with Uzbeks has some kind of immunity due to the fact that the heads and elders of villages, districts, tribes can and will pacify their dumb-headed grandchildren and only Kazakhstan can get off with a light fever if worms didn’t bite Abishevich’s system, there were precedents more than once, but suppressed by 4-ku.
      Damn imha. The main threat is Turkmenistan (about which we know almost nothing today! Up to the point that people are already dying there), the second is Uzbekistan, Karimov is not eternal and has managed to do things.
  6. +2
    8 October 2014 20: 11
    If they are stirred up, the Turkmens themselves will slaughter anyone, even the Taliban, even ISIS.
    As part of the USSR, they did not fight with anyone, and during the time of the Russian Empire they robbed Iran, Afghanistan, Syria.
    They will be forced to turn to Russia, they do not have their own military-industrial complex, and modern weapons will be needed.
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  8. +1
    8 October 2014 20: 38
    If they poke their heads .. I think we'll screw it up .. on the distant approaches (Is it possible for the United States to Israel, why are we worse?))) I think everything has already been shot .. and there will be no "peacekeepers" for execution ..! .. Then they will go slowly .. with the support of aviation .. (well, everything is as it should be ..) Russia is no longer the same as in the 90s .. and we all remember ..!
    1. SSR
      +1
      8 October 2014 23: 25
      Quote: MIKHAN
      If they poke their heads .. I think we'll screw it up .. on the distant approaches (Is it possible for the United States to Israel, why are we worse?))) I think everything has already been shot .. and there will be no "peacekeepers" for execution ..! .. Then they will go slowly .. with the support of aviation .. (well, everything is as it should be ..) Russia is no longer the same as in the 90s .. and we all remember ..!

      We are "worse" by the fact that we, according to the rules, go to you and with the approval of the UN, the UN, which has long died and rot and the skeleton of which is used at its discretion by the USA, they themselves bomb without permission and do not cry, others are forbidden through the UN and do not steam according to the principle - I play my sandbox as I want and change the rules as I want.
      In general, Mikhan, while such a pearl does not shine for us, the example is stolen, Russia and the Caspian zone of interests of the United States are to blame for everything that happens there. If we can defend our own in Ukraine, then we can defend ourselves there, and if we steal our salt and give slack then scavengers from all sides will attack and it will be more difficult to fight back.
  9. Drunya
    +2
    8 October 2014 21: 07
    Evgeny Satanovsky | New war in the East
    The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, a terrorist organization operating in Iraq and Syria, has virtually declared war on the world. The threat of a new enemy brought together forces that were hard to imagine as allies a year ago: the United States went closer to Iran, the United Kingdom supplied weapons to Iraq and Kurdistan, Egypt announced the need to unite all the countries of the region to fight ISIS. Evgeny Satanovsky, President of the Institute of the Middle East, reflects on what is happening in the East today and what a new war with Islamism could threaten the world with.

    http://www.onlinetv.ru/video/1861/
  10. +4
    8 October 2014 21: 11
    So we got to Turkmenistan ... But who? Because they want to lay a gas pipeline along the bottom of the Caspian Sea, it’s understandable if Islamic groups are interested in this, so that they don’t lie down smile and Europe was not supplied with "relatively" cheap gas?
    By the way, for ordinary consumers of natural gas, who have a private home as an example, of course there is a desire to pay less for it, it’s funny. But you need to be expensive and damned capitalists pay for it, but it will be expensive for you too and products released damned capitalists and it will be dear to you.
    PS-Merena and bukhi as well as Audi, with Volkswagen groups, cars are not bad but sometimes require repair, expensive-joy STOshnikov, Unlike the Japanese, where you can repair your car with your own hands anywhere in the world.
    Yes, on an Internet on German cars there is little information on repair than on Japanese or Korean.
  11. +5
    8 October 2014 21: 13
    Turkmenistan would be better off asking Russia for help with the purchase of equipment and equipment for borders ... They along the way with Russia have not wanted to do business since the days of Niyazov and the introduction of a visa regime for Russian citizens, even for whom Turkmenistan is their homeland ...
    1. +2
      8 October 2014 21: 46
      Quote: gozmos
      Turkmenistan would be better off asking Russia for help with the purchase of equipment and equipment for borders ... They along the way with Russia have not wanted to do business since the days of Niyazov and the introduction of a visa regime for Russian citizens, even for whom Turkmenistan is their homeland ...

      Will be destroyed .. just! Time is alas .. (whoever is not with us is against us ..) hi
      1. +1
        8 October 2014 21: 56
        Surprisingly, the Turkmen entered the territory of Afghanistan and fenced off "not many" - they are not afraid. smile http://habartm.org/archives/1396
        Turkmen soldiers "entered Afghanistan"
        According to information received by the Afghan service of Radio Liberty from residents of the Kaisar etrap in the Afghan province of Faryab, three months ago, military personnel of Turkmenistan crossed into Afghanistan, where they dug a moat and installed wire fences. Here's what one of the locals said in an interview with the radio:

        Turkmens will be harder than the Adays. smile
    2. 0
      8 October 2014 21: 46
      Quote: gozmos
      Turkmenistan would be better off asking Russia for help with the purchase of equipment and equipment for borders ... They along the way with Russia have not wanted to do business since the days of Niyazov and the introduction of a visa regime for Russian citizens, even for whom Turkmenistan is their homeland ...

      Will be destroyed .. just! Time is alas .. (whoever is not with us is against us ..) hi
  12. Drunya
    +1
    8 October 2014 21: 45
    oops - In Germany, IS supporters attacked ....
    As a result of violent clashes in Hamburg, at least 4 people were hospitalized with stab wounds. The incident occurred on the night of October 7-8, when about 40 Islamic State supporters, armed with knives and machetes, were attacked by several hundred Kurdish protesters. To suppress the riots, the police used water cannons.




    In Germany, in the city of Celle, the Kurds (Yezidis) attacked the Chechens, "as revenge for Iraq and Syria." 200 Kurds beat up 5 Chechens. After that, hundreds of Chechens began to arrive in Celle to protect the small Chechen diaspora in Celle.

  13. +1
    8 October 2014 22: 13
    If all the Central Asian countries unite in the fight against an external enemy, then no ISIS is terrible. And Russia will not clearly stand aside, it will help with the supply of weapons (if necessary, it will supply it on credit). And Iran will not stand aside. The devil is not so terrible as he is painted.
    1. +2
      8 October 2014 22: 31
      Quote: igor1981
      If all the Central Asian countries unite in the fight against an external enemy, then no ISIS is terrible.

      Some residents of Central Asia have sympathy for ISIS thanks to the corruption of officials, so what else can I talk about?
      The line is difficult to outline, the existing government is responsible for this and it is caressed by Washington and Moscow.
      1. +1
        8 October 2014 22: 39
        I agree the extremely poor situation of the population (Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan) is good soil for all kinds of Islamic radicals. In Andijan, an uprising already broke out, sort of like in 2004, then they crushed it.
        1. 0
          8 October 2014 22: 50
          Quote: igor1981
          I agree the extremely poor situation of the population

          So what else to talk about? If there are media, television programs about how neighbors live or in "another world." The existing government in these countries, Idiotic, thinks that everyone has deceived ...
          When satellite TV exists everywhere, thanks to China, it is not expensive and cardsharing, the Internet cannot be locked into the "Sink".
  14. +1
    8 October 2014 22: 36
    But the Turkmen with the Italian assault rifle Beretta ARX 160, the US Army "dreams" of it, though expensive.
    1. +2
      8 October 2014 23: 04
      Ours have it too

      1. +1
        8 October 2014 23: 12
        I know, but not enough.
        It was truly a shame when the "Steppe Eagle" was held in Germany.
        And so who in the picture laughing And there are few of them, Ponty. And those, the Turkmen, have translated all, it seems.
        We would have Galil, pumped, would produce, as Vietnam is now.
        1. +1
          8 October 2014 23: 14
          I don’t think that the Turkmens reequipped the entire army with Berettas, most likely like only one part of the special forces.
          1. 0
            8 October 2014 23: 18
            Turkmens, maybe they have money for rearmament.
            By the way, there are SCADAS.
            1. 0
              8 October 2014 23: 21
              Well, if so.
              1. +1
                8 October 2014 23: 29
                It is necessary to keep an eye on the Turkmens.
                Like a bike about Niyazov-It’s good that the Adai Ashgabat did not take ...
            2. 0
              9 October 2014 12: 27
              Quote: marshes
              Turkmens, maybe they have money for rearmament.
              By the way, there are SCADAS.

              Yes there is money! Their generals steal less than ours !!! We have more generals than anyone else on the number of soldiers !!! No wonder our army is called GENERAL !!!
    2. SSR
      0
      8 October 2014 23: 52
      Quote: marshes
      But the Turkmen with the Italian assault rifle Beretta ARX 160, the US Army "dreams" of it, though expensive.

      How many and who. It's not even a question, but "rhetoric". Even if we take the National Guard, it’s like a maximum of two companies, well, let’s three companies and that’s all, all the rest are consumer goods with increased allowance for the kitchen and uniforms.
      The army is dreaming of one thing, and special companies and special units are another thing.
      At one time, I was next to Aydar and Aliya, and at one time, roofing felts Bermet toli Aliya almost knocked me while practicing driving a car, like in 1996 it was who exactly was driving now if I honestly doubt it seems like Bermet, I just didn’t have any time to find out, I was sleeping on the go.
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        9 October 2014 00: 04
        Quote from S.S.R.
        Even if we take the National Guard, it’s at most two companies,

        They, too, love show-offs, but they are not poor and are well-equipped.
        I won’t be surprised that they have quite modern SCRC batteries in the Caspian Sea. Moreover, they didn’t waste their time studying in other countries.
        A closed country, all the same.
  15. +1
    8 October 2014 23: 15
    Unfortunately, after the collapse of the union, the countries of Central Asia are Islamized. And faster and faster.
  16. pok09
    -1
    9 October 2014 01: 30
    I have no idea who is good at this, but look what I found. This is http://lc.cx/arch an information base with materials about all citizens of our state, it is completely in open form walking on the network and anyone can use it. It would seem "well, let it be, I have nothing to hide", but the most frightening thing about this is that there is a lot of secret information.
  17. pinecone
    0
    9 October 2014 07: 06
    Quote: Egor65G
    Unfortunately, after the collapse of the union, the countries of Central Asia are Islamized. And faster and faster.


    Unfortunately, after the collapse of the union, the Russian Federation is Islamized. And faster and faster.
    1. +1
      9 October 2014 09: 00
      I agree. Only in Kyrgyzstan the number of mosques is greater than the number of schools.
  18. 0
    9 October 2014 19: 53
    They spend a lot of money on religion in these states.