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From Sevastopol went on a long hike rocket ship "Samum"

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For the first time a rocket ship “Samum” was launched from Sevastopol to a distant Mediterranean march, captain of the 2 rank Oleg Sardin commanded the ship. Reports about it Sevastopol news portal.


From Sevastopol went on a long hike rocket ship "Samum"


Samum is one of the newest ships of the Black Sea Fleet. “The 1239 missile hovercraft was created as a development of small rocket ships of the 1234 and 1234.1 projects.”, Is indicated on the website. The new ship (designer Valerian Korolkov) differs from its predecessors by a larger deck, which made it more convenient to place it on it. weapon, and more comfortable crew accommodation. In addition, the catamaran has a high seaworthiness.

“The ship is well-armed, has two 4-x Mosquito missile launchers (8 3М80 missiles), 1X2 PU Osr-M ZRK missiles (20 missiles), 1 76-mm AK-XNXXXXXXX-AKM gun missile system, -XHXX, X-CHXXXXXXXXXXXXXX-XXXXX-X missile rocket launcher. AK-176. For its relatively small displacement (2 t), it has serious firepower. His crew: 6 people. ”, - said in the publication.

“Not without reason RVP“ Bora ”and“ Samum ”open a holiday on the day of the Naval fleet in Sevastopol, personifying the best forces of the Black Sea Fleet- with some enthusiasm says the commander of the warhead-2 Vishnyak. - They work in pair, not only in celebrations, but often during combat training. Two gas turbine engines with an 60 power of thousands of horsepower allow you to reach speeds up to 55 nodes even at wave heights of two meters! This speed allows the ship to not fall into the seizure of homing missiles, for the same reason it does not have time to catch up with the torpedo. For the same economical course installed two diesel engines. In general, its seaworthiness is up to 8 points. ”

Together with the crew, a group of anti-terrorist activities (from a brigade of marines) of 8 men left the sea.

According to the newspaper, “the ship, taking into account its capabilities, will strengthen the grouping of ships of the operational connection of the Russian Navy, operating in the Mediterranean Sea on a permanent basis.”




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  1. svp67
    svp67 29 September 2014 13: 35
    +19
    For the first time, a Samum hovercraft missile ship left Sevastopol for a long Mediterranean campaign.
    The news is no longer "fresh" and not entirely clear ... "Samum" was "sharpened" under the Black Sea, so it will be difficult for him in the Mediterranean and the logistics of supplying it is not entirely clear, it is best for him to rely on the coastal base ... So, that we may soon see him off the coast of Syria ... or Cyprus.
    So, once again it becomes clear - our fleet URGENTLY, yesterday, we need new ocean ships, in the right quantity, and the USC ... does not moo and does not calve.
    1. nikrandel
      nikrandel 29 September 2014 13: 38
      +4
      A little off topic ...
      In Donetsk, Ukrainian soldiers shot a car with militia representatives who were heading for ceasefire negotiations. The attackers were not even embarrassed that the parliamentarians were traveling with a white flag.

      1. Alexander I
        Alexander I 29 September 2014 14: 01
        +11
        It's a deal then. How much can you trust the fascist creature. when she needs it, without soap, she’ll get into the w * d. For some reason, they have deceived you more than once, and you all believe.
      2. Alexander
        Alexander 29 September 2014 14: 16
        +1
        And what are the Ukrainian military doing in Donetsk?
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 29 September 2014 14: 25
          +6
          Quote: alexandr
          And what are the Ukrainian military doing in Donetsk?

          Don't you know that there is a large group of dill on the territory of the Donetsk airport? And the parliamentarians were allegedly shot by a sabotage group. Perhaps from the same group.
          And so believe ukrokozlam!
    2. svetlomor
      svetlomor 29 September 2014 13: 38
      +1
      Let him take a walk, show himself.
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 29 September 2014 13: 54
      -3
      For fishlessness and cancer, if there is no one else to send to the Mediterranean Sea, then "Samum" will do.
      1. Ryndabul
        Ryndabul 29 September 2014 14: 40
        +5
        This is exactly the same fish, which will put in another "shark" between times sad
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    5. FACKtoREAL
      FACKtoREAL 29 September 2014 13: 57
      +1
      seaworthiness - up to 8 points ..
      for the Mediterranean should be enough ...
      Moreman - speak out!
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 29 September 2014 14: 32
        +2
        Seaworthiness of 8 points - this means the maximum that the ship is designed for.
        With a certain structural margin.
        If suddenly ... suddenly, like ours ... a storm sets in.
        ...
        And, in general, the Navy has a standard procedure - "storm evasion". If you can not substitute for the elements, then what for?
        The battleship "Paris Commune" in a storm in the Bay of Biscay turned a forecastle. And who got any relief from this?
        There is no such task for the Navy - to fight in a storm.
        And, in addition, scores are not scary. Shallow water and narrowness are terrible.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 29 September 2014 15: 05
          +6
          Comrade Igarr makes it easy ...

          Forecastle "Parisian" in Biscay did not turn off. In a storm with a wind of up to 12 points, a freshly installed bow attachment (in fact, a reinforced bulwark), intended to improve the seaworthiness of the aircraft, was destroyed.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 29 September 2014 17: 22
          +4
          Quote: Igarr
          There is no such task for the Navy - to fight in a storm.

          Igor, with all due respect to you, the task is set taking into account the weather forecast, even the section in the BR is such. BUT! task must be completed. Its implementation can complicate weather restrictions (mainly for RCC - up to 5 points), but now it’s a vertical launch! and this changes things a little. And then, P-29 - application up to 8 points! And this is a serious storm. So everything happens!
          (Remember, when rowing boats boarded Swedish ships in the Gulf of Finland, PETER ordered to cast the medal "The Unprecedented Happens!" KR !!! such scoundrels! And the Americans say that this cannot be ...)
          EVERYTHING HAPPENS, HAPPENS AND THE CROWBAR FLOPS! (C) laughing
    6. Ryndabul
      Ryndabul 29 September 2014 14: 37
      +7
      Already in the mid-70s, missile boats with a floating base went to Mediterranean, and successfully served there. Including the first missile boats of the 205th project. Although they got it pretty well during storms. And "Samum" is twice as large as the 205th project of the Republic of Kazakhstan. And his seaworthiness is significantly higher. And with a floating base, he will be able to serve for a long time in Mediterranean and beyond. Well, I completely agree with the need for destroyers, cruisers, and so on!
    7. Andriuha077
      Andriuha077 29 September 2014 14: 48
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      URGENT, yesterday, we need new ocean ships

      The new ship replaced the great-grandfather project 1239, everything that has been tested remains to be built.
      Retained fundamental technical solutions
      (body contours, principle of air supply and distribution in the airspace zone, flexible fence cleaning scheme, diesel-gas turbine power plant)
      in the modification of the project increased tactical properties,
      extended application range.
      In the nose - 100-mm artillery mount A-190 "Universal".
      Along the sides are packages of vertical launchers for anti-ship missiles and short-range missiles.
      The ZAK AK-630M are also located on board.
      In the lower bow of the superstructure, also on-board - “pockets” for two twin-tube devices for firing anti-submarine missiles or torpedoes. And this means that the electronic armament of the ship provides for a drop-down type GAS. This is, in fact, a full-fledged littoral warship with a displacement of slightly more than 1000 tons and full speed in 50 nodes.

      Moving on an air cushion, it can overcome shallows and approach an unequipped shore to a depth of 1 m, where, sitting on its keels, it can carry out loadingunloading, rescue or special operations.

      On the basis of a high-speed and seaworthy universal “platform”, strike missile ships, landing support fire ships, quick-response rescue ships, and landing ships can be createdlanding ships, special and small ships for various purposes.

      Alexander Vasilyevich SHLYAKHTENKO - General Director - General Designer of OJSC "TsMKB" Almaz "
      Vladimir Grigoryevich GAVRILOV - leading designer for perspective design almaz-kb.ru
      The use of water-jet propulsion devices dramatically simplifies the scheme for ensuring the movement of the ship and traffic control in all modes.
      The exclusion of the swivel columns releases the stern to accommodate the runway and sliding hangar.
      Application unmanned aircraft in solving shock problems increases the efficiency of solving problems and safety for the ship.
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    9. Serg65
      Serg65 29 September 2014 14: 55
      +3
      svp67 ... Namesake, "Samum" will stopudovo based on Tartus, he will be a formidable force at the wall with his "Mosquitoes" !!!
    10. sniper
      sniper 29 September 2014 15: 14
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      "Samum" was "sharpened" under the Black Sea,
      Yes, and his autonomy is not very ... Looks like there is absolutely nothing to send ... It's sad ... :(
    11. Kizhich
      Kizhich 29 September 2014 15: 18
      0
      My opinion is that there was a need to demonstrate to potential buyers in business. For example, the same Egypt. And probably for the purpose of potential loading of Crimean shipyards in the future. However, who knows ...
    12. smershxnumx
      smershxnumx 29 September 2014 15: 38
      +1
      The ships of the project 1239 are the largest in their subclass in the practice of Russian and world shipbuilding high-speed combat ship, using hydrodynamic platform - catamaran with aerostatic air discharge.
      It has nothing to do with the "air cushion".
    13. PROXOR
      PROXOR 29 September 2014 16: 01
      +2
      It is time to replace Moscow. She doesn’t go home anymore; she splashes all the time in the Mediterranean Sea. So this missile boat was sent there.
    14. Su24
      Su24 29 September 2014 18: 13
      0
      “The ship is well armed, has two 4-missile launchers for Moskit anti-ship missiles (8 3M80 missiles), 1x2 launchers for the Osa-M air defense system (20 missiles), 1 76-mm AK-176 gun mount, 2x6 30-mm gun mounts AK-630. For its relatively small displacement (1050 tons), it has serious firepower. Its crew: 68 people ",


      "Uranus" instead of Mosquitoes, 2 ZRAK "Kortik" instead of "Wasp" and AK-630 will be great.
  2. wolfhunter2035
    wolfhunter2035 29 September 2014 13: 35
    -2
    the thought arises: Our fleet is rising! keep it up! cheers, comrades!
    1. Bombardier
      Bombardier 29 September 2014 13: 44
      +13
      What hurray then? How does it rise? From hopelessness they send what should be next to their base - Sevastopol.
      Just this is an indicator of the complete defeat of our fleet, and this happened, during the friendship with the West (90gg.)
      the flagship "Moscow" probably worked out its resource five times already (thanks to the team, everything seems to be holding on to them, but the captain was lucky.), so they drove him. And there is simply nothing more to send from Sevastopol.
      1. skeket
        skeket 29 September 2014 20: 14
        0
        Quote: Bombardier
        From hopelessness they send what should be next to their base - Sevastopol.
        Just this is an indicator of the complete defeat of our fleet, and this happened, during the friendship with the West (90gg.)

        And you are aware that under the agreement with the Ukrainians about Sevas, the Black Sea Fleet could not be strengthened and under this brand Ukrainians were forbidden to upgrade and replace ships, such as this reinforcement, that’s how the Black Sea Fleet grew old
        1. Bombardier
          Bombardier 29 September 2014 22: 58
          0
          No, I'm from the moon!
          Do you think the fleet is doing well?
    2. FACKtoREAL
      FACKtoREAL 29 September 2014 13: 50
      +6
      Quote: hanter2035
      the thought arises: Our fleet is rising!

      the thought is really - UNIQUE ...
      and before that he (the fleet) lay at the bottom (waiting in the wings)?
      bully
      1. justKyr
        justKyr 29 September 2014 14: 01
        0
        but I think that training is being conducted on the hikes ..... and this is normal. I won’t be surprised if half of the crew consists of former Ukrainian sailors.
    3. sniper
      sniper 29 September 2014 15: 18
      +2
      Quote: hanter2035
      there is a thought

      This is really happy ... If the truth of course .... wassat Maybe even stop throwing slogans ???
  3. INF
    INF 29 September 2014 13: 37
    +4
    Not the topic, but I sleep and see that our ships patrol the coast of the Americans .... I will drink to ensure that our desires coincide with our capabilities!
    What a handsome man!
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 29 September 2014 13: 50
      +5
      I have the same dream, with the only difference that they are patrolling the coast and the "Papuans" are no longer there.
      1. Bombardier
        Bombardier 29 September 2014 13: 53
        +2
        Mom Cholly for humor plus.
        1. Mama_Cholli
          Mama_Cholli 29 September 2014 13: 55
          0
          Thank you ... I'm serious. )
  4. axel320
    axel320 29 September 2014 13: 37
    +1
    Pretty boy.)
  5. goland72
    goland72 29 September 2014 13: 37
    +2
    A beautiful technique by the moreman!
  6. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 29 September 2014 13: 38
    0
    Hello! Yes! Serious unit! hi
  7. Lavrenty Pavlovich Spinoza
    Lavrenty Pavlovich Spinoza 29 September 2014 13: 39
    +1
    We are a strong nation, we have something to rely on, and we have something to say !!!
  8. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 29 September 2014 13: 48
    +3
    I wonder how a torpedo will chase a hovercraft? Will a remote fuse be used?
    Explain the idiot (in the concept of ancient Greek.) ...)))
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 29 September 2014 14: 25
      +5
      This is such a special torpedo ... know-how..on an air cushion.
      As the two of us .. on the couch ... so they are there ... on the pillow.
      Joke.
      Figs knows what the correspondent wrote about.
      The military men, as usual, played a trick on him, and he "went to drink tea".
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 29 September 2014 15: 00
        +5
        Igarr ... Igor, put a plus ... I have a sailor from the saloon 1,5 hours looking for a faucet on the hood with hot water laughing
        1. VAF
          VAF 29 September 2014 16: 38
          +1
          Quote: Serg65
          . I have a sailor from the salag 1,5 hours looking at the hood for hot water faucet


          Something dear .. laugh wassat If the salaga already found KLOTIK itself, then how could he look there for a crane belay even with cold, even with hot ??? request

          This is then not a salaga. But complete fool

          Do not ask where you are familiar with the marine "business" wink (but I can "distinguish" the sheet from the brahms lol
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 30 September 2014 10: 32
            +3
            vaf ... Sergey, it’s not enough to distinguish the sheet from the brahms, you also need to know and understand the ship's life. It is not necessary to consider the Soviet sailor complete fool , to live 3 of the year on a box, it’s not for you to go to the bullous. When a young man runs around the ship with a teapot and searches for a klotik, he will look for him for an hour, for some his searches are simply fun, for others an intelligible method of getting to know the ship. In addition, shortening unattended is a terrible phenomenon, and if he also got a paint brush in his hands, I assure you that a nuclear explosion in comparison with this is just a little fun for you! This is me to the fact that you should not call a young man who got from under a mother’s skirt to the fleet to call stupid, stupid in infancy but not stupid !!!! About ... chuckle ...
            1. A sailor without jokes is not a sailor.
            2. You understand the rigging and the mast, and at what angle you need to sharpen the arm of the anchor, how much you need to lay the bollard to combine symmetry, how many meanings the sea term pendant.
            I have the honor soldier
    2. Ryndabul
      Ryndabul 29 September 2014 14: 46
      +3
      The torpedo, even if it "captures" the boat by homing along the traverse, it will outstrip it in speed anyway. And on the stern, she simply will not catch up with him. And with the cavern, all the same, the part of the ship - the catamaran + the propeller - is in the sea and for the torpedo they are "visible" and "audible".
      1. Mama_Cholli
        Mama_Cholli 29 September 2014 14: 58
        0
        OK. thanks for the clarification, accepted ...
      2. tlauicol
        tlauicol 29 September 2014 15: 00
        0
        in fresh weather will not go away - it is useless. catch up and tear to pieces
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 29 September 2014 15: 56
          +4
          Quote: Tlauicol
          in fresh weather will not go away - it is useless. catch up and tear to pieces

          How fresh is it? As brigade commander V.N. Mardusin drove him from Liepaja. Over a glass of tea, we asked him, then still a cap of the 2nd rank: how the ship keeps the wave. And they were amazed at the answer. "You know, with 5 points we walked with 30 knots and even a glass of tea did not spill, which was on my table on the chassis," Viktor Nikolaevich answered. So in this respect, the car is worthy. Speaker difficulties ...
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 29 September 2014 19: 07
            0
            Damn, if the Baltic has not changed since my time, then there 5 points was considered the maximum.
            He did not go, at 30 knots. 56 km / h. He flew along the ridges. Cutty Sark. Of course, the propellers could beat.
            As it is here, in the Oryol region they say - you can’t drive into the village, just holes. But we cut 160km - and as if on the highway.
            I wish I could find out how tack he was going to the wave.
            ...
            And about the storms and the implementation of the BZ - so there is no choice. First the task, the weather later.
  9. Prutkov
    Prutkov 29 September 2014 13: 51
    +2
    We also need such ships so that they are in Tartus and Sevastopol at the same time.
  10. FACKtoREAL
    FACKtoREAL 29 September 2014 13: 54
    +2
    Americans "work" from the air across Syrian territory ...
    As if under the guise of an accident, Assad after ISIS did not attack ..
    "Samum" indicated the gain from the sea.
  11. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 29 September 2014 13: 56
    +5
    Well, the "mad barge" went out for a walk and scared our "sworn" friends. Only she went out for a walk not alone, but in company: on September 22, the Smetlivy TFR, the Samum MRK, accompanying the Novocherkassk (Black Sea Fleet) and the Kaliningrad BDK-58 (BF), passed through the Bosphorus.




    According to some reports, the "Moscow" GRKR and 3 more large landing ships are already awaiting them there ... So the "Syrian express" started working again.
    1. svp67
      svp67 29 September 2014 13: 59
      +1
      Quote: Novel 1977
      Just walk she went not alone
      Where is the tanker? "Samun" is not like ...
      1. Ryndabul
        Ryndabul 29 September 2014 14: 50
        +3
        And the tanker will be in the group, as is the floating base, most likely.
    2. The Art of War
      The Art of War 29 September 2014 14: 24
      +1
      hi Roman Taiwanese catamaran corvette at sea (Tuojiang has a total displacement of 600 tons and a length of 60,4 m).
      1. The Art of War
        The Art of War 29 September 2014 14: 25
        +1
        and another photo of a catamaran
        1. The Art of War
          The Art of War 29 September 2014 14: 26
          0
          Roman, do you think it makes sense for us to build these?
  12. tehnoluks
    tehnoluks 29 September 2014 13: 59
    +1
    I do not mind! The straits must be controlled from both sides. In order to keep in good shape.
  13. Alexander I
    Alexander I 29 September 2014 14: 04
    0
    I hope that the Americans will understand.
  14. altman
    altman 29 September 2014 14: 13
    0
    Perhaps it will stay near Tartu or will stand next to the floating workshop.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 29 September 2014 17: 03
      +2
      Quote: altman
      Maybe it will stay near Tartu
      The "old man" - TARTU is in ESTONIA, But TARTUS - which you meant - is exactly where you think correctly and this "pocket battleship" will be based.
      1. svp67
        svp67 29 September 2014 17: 30
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        where do you think correctly and this "pocket battleship" will be based.
        Rather "pocket destroyer"
  15. vodolaz
    vodolaz 29 September 2014 14: 17
    +1
    I remember watching a film about these ships with interest. In general, such news is encouraging.
  16. tlauicol
    tlauicol 29 September 2014 14: 17
    +3
    misses the capture of RCC is a fairy tale of course
  17. Alexander
    Alexander 29 September 2014 14: 18
    +4
    They brought the Fleet to send him on long voyages. Samum is not at all for such trips. When at least something is already born of the Leader R&D ..
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 29 September 2014 15: 15
      +1
      In any case, the crew benefit from the practice.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 29 September 2014 16: 59
        +2
        Quote: Black Colonel
        In any case, the crew benefit from the practice.

        Undoubtedly, but that's just not a war (for now), so you need to use your forces wisely. Tactics such as Samum - a raid operation, missile strike and retreat under the cover of a groats and aircraft. And somersaulting in the sea in the OZP is not a pleasant event. Although on the third day 90% of the crew is pulled into the pitching, then they don’t even notice it. But still, NOT ICE!
  18. Severomor
    Severomor 29 September 2014 14: 18
    +2
    No, well, for the Middle-earth normul,
    Quote: Bombardier
    From hopelessness they send what should be next to their base - Sevastopol.

    1239 Sivuch "was created as a development of small missile ships of projects 1234 and 1234.1. The experience of using small missile boats in combat service in the Mediterranean Sea showed that ships of this size and classical formations are limited in the placement of weapons. The catamaran" 1239 Sivuch "has a large deck, which allows solve this problem by more comfortable conditions for the use of weapons and crew accommodation.
    Here it pleases: The ship consists of two narrow hulls, covered by a platform 64 m long and 18 m wide. Ahead is an elastic screen. Two gas turbine engines with a capacity of 60 thousand hp they can reach speeds of up to 55 knots even at a wave height of 2 m, and at 5 points (wave 3,5 m) - more than 40 knots. High speed allows the ship not to fall into the capture of homing missiles, for the same reason it does not have time to catch a torpedo. For an economical stroke, two diesel engines are installed. Seaworthiness - up to 8 points.
    Type Boat
    Feature hovercraft
    General characteristics
    Length (m): 64
    Width (m): 18
    Displacement (tons): 1620
    Speed ​​(knots): 55
    Crew: 35
    Armament
    Tools: 1 AK-176
    PAC Anti-ship systems: 8 3M80 Mosquito
    Air Defense Systems Air Defense: 2 AK-630
    2 Wasp / Oca-M
    1. Bombardier
      Bombardier 29 September 2014 14: 38
      +3
      YES, I'm not against the ship as such ... Just don't: "Hurray, the fleet is rising!" They sent the last thing they could and there is nothing to be happy about. Let's just say that the tasks of the fleet (Black Sea Fleet) are now being performed - SMALL ROCKET BOATS and even BTK! I repeat - boats. It is interesting to know the state of the Black Sea Fleet flagship. Will he wait for an equivalent replacement or will he rot in the dock when the replacement arrives?
      1. Severomor
        Severomor 29 September 2014 15: 26
        +2
        I'm all for it! For the ocean fleet. So far, only hope. Let's look at the promises to add (restore) by 2018. + two Glories and Orlan
        1. Bombardier
          Bombardier 29 September 2014 15: 32
          0
          We are waiting for the update.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 29 September 2014 16: 05
        +4
        Quote: Bombardier
        SMALL ROCKET BOATS and even BTK!

        Mr. scorer! You are right in essence, but there is a small remark:
        - not small missile boats, but ships - the difference in displacement and armament;
        - BTK - no, there is BDK - large landing ships.
        And so - that's right. Sincerely.
        1. Bombardier
          Bombardier 29 September 2014 16: 47
          +1
          Indeed, I admit mistakes (in a hurry - I apologize)
  19. Viktor Kudinov
    Viktor Kudinov 29 September 2014 14: 21
    +1
    Better less, but more than the Mistrals ordered in France, which they don't really want to give us.
  20. tralmaster.
    tralmaster. 29 September 2014 14: 33
    +2
    Fishing Str 50 meters and then for 4 months in the sea, the ocean are. And this one is more and even Mediterranean is not Quiet.
    1. Bombardier
      Bombardier 29 September 2014 14: 42
      0
      At full speed (45 knots), 800 miles is enough. At 12 knots - 2500 miles. Imagine how the captain should show off in order to complete the task of patrolling (not to stand still) away from the base, but in my mind I must keep the possibility of a clash, and this implies a full swing. Air defense - for boats with a creak, but normal.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 29 September 2014 15: 06
        0
        Quote: Bombardier
        At full speed (45 knots) enough for 800 miles.

        This is approximately from Sevastopol to the island of Crete, it can go at maximum speed, and on the economical one in 3 a little further.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 29 September 2014 16: 36
        +3
        Quote: Bombardier
        Imagine how the captain should show off in order to complete the task of patrolling (not to stand still) away from the base
        Do you know what combat order was assigned to him? And what decision did the commander make to carry it out? And why should he "show off" if it is possible to carry out tracking with weapons, as has always been done. Then, what about the motor resource? to "rush on the sea"?
        Quote: Bombardier
        and in my mind I must keep the possibility of a clash, and this implies a full swing.
        What a dashing cavalry you are, however! You would be on the "torpedo", but on the attack! (I would have a saber, but a horse / yes to the line of fire! (C) L. Filatov).
        But the Syrian RCA went in the course of 5,0 bonds, disguising themselves as fishermen, and carried the same lights until they launched a missile strike on Basra (God forbid). True, then they flew in full sail, so much so that Israeli aviation could not find them. Therefore, about the tactics of forces - refrain! It will be ... calmer.
        Quote: Bombardier
        Air defense - for boats with a creak, but normal.
        Perhaps well-trained operators will work for self-defense, but you need to be under the wing of Fort, C-300, IA. In any case, it will be difficult to fight off harpoons and exosets. And that is the problem!
        1. Bombardier
          Bombardier 29 September 2014 17: 01
          0
          I don’t see the subject of the dispute ... Do you propose building Samums to patrol the Mediterranean, instead of (at least) patrolmen or what? ..
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 30 September 2014 10: 52
            +3
            Quote: Bombardier
            I don’t see the subject of the dispute ... Do you propose building Samums to patrol the Mediterranean, instead of (at least) patrolmen or what? ..

            Dear, finding 1239 Ave. in Middle-earth is not an excellent option and no one is going to offer them to replace the ships of the far sea zone. The KAA boa is simply trying to explain to you the tactics of using this type of ship and quite intelligibly explains why it is a plus! Given the current political situation in Syria, given the not the best condition of our fleet and a small insect (Samum) with 8 mosquitoes, it is capable of sobering up some hotheads.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 29 September 2014 15: 09
      +1
      That's when the SRT will walk 45 knots and carry 8 Mosquito launchers on the deck (plus the rest of the not so light weapons) - then it will be possible to compare.
  21. Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 September 2014 14: 38
    0
    The ship may have been good for its time. But let's say outdated. Mosquitoes are already obsolete rockets. Change to Caliber, definitely. Air defense system also update. And what is, what is not her. Against dill and rodents, it may go, but no more.
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 29 September 2014 16: 04
      +2
      As I understand it, Caliber is a subsonic missile used to destroy surface assets, but Mosquito is a supersonic missile. In addition, mosquitoes, in contrast to subsonic missiles, are capable of performing such changes in the direction of flight (at supersonic) on the final / combat section of the flight that subsonic missiles are not capable of, and thus they are more maneuverable / difficult to destroy. In addition, they have completely different exits to the target, if one makes a slide, then the Mosquito flies at the surface of the sea, changing directions.

      pisi: What, then, are the comments about the removal of "old" mosquitoes from production?
      Each missile has its own specifics, and if it allows you to successfully pass the missile defense of enemy ships, then .... will they definitely be discontinued? !!!
      It’s just like replacing a cannon with a howitzer without understanding what they are for ....

      I don’t know who set the plus for you, but you wrote nonsense ... I don’t put a minus to you, because I don’t put them fundamentally.
    2. Zuborez
      Zuborez 29 September 2014 19: 42
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      Well, I don’t agree about the outdated ones. The mosquitoes are supersonic, and stopudovo work is underway to modernize them. About the Wasp
      I agree, sailors often spoke unflattering about them, such as steadily working only with a team of industry representatives.

      And so, Sivuchi will undergo repairs with modernization, and will last as many years.
  22. romashki74
    romashki74 29 September 2014 14: 48
    +1
    Quote: FACKtoREAL
    Quote: hanter2035
    the thought arises: Our fleet is rising!

    the thought is really - UNIQUE ...
    and before that he (the fleet) lay at the bottom (waiting in the wings)?
    bully

    Almost lying, but not at the bottom, but in scrap metal. It’s just that we didn’t have a fleet, thanks to some gentlemen. But now at least there was hope that in 20 everything would be all right in years!

    More details here: http://russian-ships.info/today/
  23. Mhpv
    Mhpv 29 September 2014 14: 51
    +3
    Two gas turbine engines rated at 60 thousand horsepower
    mistake hi
    Powerplant: 2 GTU M10-1 36000 hp (on tandem screws, in the lowering columns), two M-511A 20000 hp diesel engines (on 2 screws), two M-504 6600 diesel engines (for discharge fans)
    Where is the tanker? "Samun" is not like ...

    Navigation range: 2500 miles at 12 knots, 800 miles at 45 nodes
  24. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 29 September 2014 15: 11
    +2
    About Kharkov and not only: if Khokhlyatsky b .. it breaks down the monuments for which it should be prayed, I don’t understand by what right our government is still talking about cooperation, that it spits little in our face, to us, Great Russia, Bandera and others Western scum, and we, as if the poor did not freeze. How much you can endure: they make a wall-fenced off, eternal claims, groans, etc., and Russian Vanya, help. Enough- khokhlov- get to the hut and that the spirit was not, s ... it is.
  25. sabakina
    sabakina 29 September 2014 15: 27
    +5
    I remember that in the 90s there was an article in Rossiyskaya Gazeta, where it was just about Bor. Because there was no funding, the officers at their own expense kept the Bor in more or less decent condition. So I must say thank you to those officers and sailors who, tearing a piece of bread from themselves and their families, ensured that the Bora remained afloat, and did not disappear into oblivion ...
    1. Zuborez
      Zuborez 29 September 2014 19: 46
      0
      In those years, a good article in Youth Tech was about Sivuchi + an interview with the Chief Designer.

      They all need to put a monument.
      Although the best monument is Samum in the Mediterranean.
  26. Wiruz
    Wiruz 29 September 2014 15: 44
    0
    I may not understand something, but when did the RTOs go on long hikes? Still a small anti-submarine would be sent request
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv 29 September 2014 17: 07
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      And what is it that I personally went on a hike from Albatros from Petropavlosk-Kamchatsky to Chukotka right up to the settlement of Uilen and Father Rotmanov, and even considering that it was PSKR, we walked almost around the coastline, so estimate how long we went having a range at combat economical the same 2500 miles.
  27. Crang
    Crang 29 September 2014 15: 50
    +2
    This "Samum" is a cool thing. The brainchild of the Soviet military industry when the emphasis was on power and speed. Now, for the sake of the western trend, they began to focus on stealth and versatility, as a result of which our newest corvettes and RTOs are quite ordinary vessels by design. And then no. What they just didn’t invent.
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 29 September 2014 16: 28
      +2
      Then Lun, Eaglet were ... Inaccessible to torpedoes, high-speed carriers of cruise missiles. It is a pity we left this path because of the collapse of the Union. The enemy carrier groups sighed quietly ... (((
  28. qQQQ
    qQQQ 29 September 2014 16: 26
    +3
    In August I was in Sevastopol, usually there are a lot of warships, now there is nothing at all, only a hospital ship. On the one hand it’s great, ships should go to sea, and on the other - where is the reserve?
  29. pahom54
    pahom54 29 September 2014 18: 34
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    "" The ship, taking into account its capabilities, will strengthen the group of ships of the operational formation of the Russian Navy, operating in the Mediterranean on a permanent basis "" ...

    Whatever you say about its purpose, but the group will not just strengthen, but great ...
    If we had more of such ships, not only on the Black Sea Fleet ... Speed, armament ... Everything with it ... Further developments, of course, would be much better ...
    In general, no matter what they say about the pros and cons of the "Samum" campaign, there are two positive qualities, one of which is the development of skills and combat coordination of the seafarers ...
    Good luck guys!
  30. sovety
    sovety 29 September 2014 20: 42
    +2
    When I served on this ship, it was called nothing else but "Ship of the 21st century."
    The interest of the military alliance was not fake. Of course, time does not stand still, but this ship will fulfill its main task in 10 years, well, you cannot shoot down 8 "mosquitoes" in a row, wassat and a missile ship is operating as part of a group.
    And the guys on board luck, for the good I envy them. hi