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M.Butina: "The number of supporters of the legalization of short-barreled weapons in Russia has tripled"

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M.Butina: "The number of supporters of the legalization of short-barreled weapons in Russia has tripled"


Growing support in the ruling circles

The issue of legalizing the sale and carrying of pistols and revolvers as weapons Self-defense causes heated debate in our society.

There are quite a few opponents of this idea, but supporters, having united their efforts within the framework of the organization “Right to Arms”, have recently more often declared themselves as an influential force capable of changing public opinion in their favor.

In view of the importance of the issue, we decided to directly contact Maria Butina, Chairman of the Board of Rights of the Weapon, and ask her a few questions.

- What is the attitude of society in the idea of ​​allowing citizens to defend themselves with the help of short-barreled firearms?

- The dynamics of public opinion is visible in the sociological studies of VTsIOM and the Levada Center, which have been published several times. If three years ago the number of supporters of expanding the rights of citizens to weapons (short-barreled rifled firearms) was at the level of 14%, now it is already 44%.

Increased and the proportion of fluctuating. These people at some point will make a decision for themselves after listening to the arguments for and against. But the thing is that it is difficult to bring negative arguments here, because now citizens have a weapon with a capacity of more than 4 thousand joules. What then to say about a gun with a capacity of 350-500 joules?

Citizens of Russia on legal grounds with appropriate documents and no contraindications and convictions have the right to purchase weapons. People who know about this usually do not object to expanding the list of available weapons, since the citizen has proved his law-abiding. This dependence was also shown by the VTsIOM survey conducted in the summer of 2014 of the year.

- Does the ruling circles of our country change their attitude towards the idea of ​​liberalizing the law on weapons?

- Back in 2012, First Vice-Speaker of the Federation Council Alexander Torshin presented an expert report on the need to legalize short-barreled rifled firearms. This did not go unnoticed, and the reaction of the Presidential Administration followed. If earlier she considered the question to be irrelevant in principle, now it was said that this question, though not the most urgent, but it can be subsequently considered. This is a good move! At the same time, Alexander Torshin remains in solid positions.

In addition, in the LDPR earlier, individual deputies supported the liberalization of the law on weapons, and now there is support at the fractional level as a whole. By the way, the deputy from the Liberal Democratic Party Ivan Khudyakov introduced the appropriate amendments to the State Duma.

It must be said that the position of the elect of the people depends on the position of the public. And here it should be noted that the “Russian Public Initiative portal” collected 100 thousands of signatures in support of the initiative “my home is my fortress”. It provides for the possibility of the necessary defense of a citizen within his home in the event of an invasion. This initiative was supported by the Federal Working Group under the Government of the Russian Federation.

By the way, Sergey Makarchenko, coordinator of the movement “Right to Arms”, persuaded the Pskov parliament to introduce a legislative initiative “my home is my fortress” to the State Duma, and it is in the queue for consideration.

- It has been repeatedly noted that the concept of “necessary defense” allows for a free interpretation, which is why people who defend themselves may end up behind bars. What has been done to remedy the situation?

- Yes, our legislation is not perfect enough to justify every person who finds himself in a situation of necessary defense. Nevertheless, high-profile cases related to acquittals of the court change the attitude of the judges towards self-defense, although our right is not a precedent. We are moving from the particular to the general, and there are already precedents when, thanks to public response, media participation, demonstrations, we managed to achieve acquittals for Evgeny Kostrykin and Alexander Telesov.

Yes, the situation with self-defense is bad, but not to the extent that it is positioned. Every year, more than 600 cases of legal self-defense with traumatic weapons occur in Moscow and the Moscow Region. Notice that these are statistics only for traumatic weapons, and there have already been 600 cases. That is, people protect themselves, and the law justifies them, but much depends on the legal culture. A person should clearly realize how to behave in a situation of self-defense, how to testify, how not to harm himself.

If you are sure that you are trying to be imprisoned, and you are not to blame, then from the very first days contact us, we have a telephone toll-free hotline. We help with advice and lawyers, but we must contact us right away. If time is missed, then we already had examples when nothing could be done.
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  1. master 84
    master 84 16 September 2014 21: 56
    -22
    this was just not enough, first you need to establish control and they will shoot how much in vain the armor will be in price
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 16 September 2014 22: 00
      -3
      I am definitely against ..! Again, the American experience is being imposed on us! already periodically hammered into the head .. Guess why and for what?
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 16 September 2014 22: 16
        -14
        Also categorically against it, then it remains only to throw firewood on national soil and away we go, plus weapons will begin to fall into the hands of children.
        1. DanSabaka
          DanSabaka 17 September 2014 13: 16
          +3
          a hunting shotgun can get to children (and it does) .....
          there are rules for storing weapons and ammunition. safes and weapons cabinets are quite affordable. Yes, and district police officers are required to regularly monitor.
        2. air wolf
          air wolf 18 September 2014 12: 21
          0
          There are no nationalities now! There are infidels and those that cut off their heads!
        3. macarque
          macarque 19 September 2014 12: 39
          +2
          I want to note that for 25 years now, it is not a problem to buy ANY "left" barrel. they do not cost prohibitive money, so it is better and safer to LEGALLY sell weapons (shot and "clean weapons" with a known history, I want to note) than to have a lot of criminal weapons of different origins, from army models, to kopanina of all types and conditions, and remade trauma and gas workers. This is a much lesser evil. By the way, in interethnic conflicts, they often take up knives and a hunting smoothbore that is not identified at all. By the way, the people do not get the rifle from the safes, they do not do it corny because there is nothing to identify it. then the brains are working if everyone understands it.
      2. Dmitry Toderes
        Dmitry Toderes 16 September 2014 22: 25
        +1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        I am definitely against ..! Again, the American experience is being imposed on us! already periodically hammered into the head .. Guess why and for what?


        Are you hinting at Ferguson? wink
      3. Krasnoarmeec
        Krasnoarmeec 16 September 2014 22: 34
        +3
        Quote: MIKHAN
        I am definitely against ..! Again, the American experience is being imposed on us! already periodically hammered into the head .. Guess why and for what?


        American experience?!?!? Has anyone ever heard that some kind of righteous "mattress" prevented a mass execution, say, at school or somewhere else? Rhetorical question ...
        My opinion is trite- Do not shoot the weapon that is not!
        Although I would like to have, but chur, chur, chur No.
        And for shoots and saigas on banks is enough.
        1. BYV
          BYV 16 September 2014 23: 21
          +63
          Have you often heard about crimes committed with the help of legal, SHOTED weapons? As for me, I am for the legalization of the short-barrel, but categorically against traumatism. A person subconsciously does not perceive trauma as a weapon, so he uses it without hesitation. In addition, shooting injuries is problematic. And a man who decides to commit a crime will get a firearm without any problems. Thus, a law-abiding citizen finds himself in a deliberately losing situation.
          1. vitamin ky
            vitamin ky 17 September 2014 01: 50
            +18
            I agree with you both on the first point and on the second - somewhere I saw statistics or a forecast about a firearm - it seems like it was written that by the first count the number of excesses of self-defense and unfortunate incidents, anyway this would not exceed the digits unambiguous with numbers in accidents, but I can and confused longoooo it was whatthat with kasaymo bandyuganov, yes this is our whole history, the government has deprived ordinary people of the means of self-defense, and gangs and darling police armed themselves to the maximum
          2. jPilot
            jPilot 17 September 2014 05: 58
            +18
            I completely agree that anyone who needs a weapon for a crime will still find it or make a lot of options, but respectable citizens are defenseless in this regard, because at the moment, a criminal who takes out a weapon deals with almost 100% certainty of impunity. And knowing that the object of the attack may also have a chance to respond, believe me, it will cool many lovers to profit from someone else's good. Another question is the degree of control and training of weapons users, my opinion should be organized courses of about the same type as training on rights and even more strictly, and after that we will allow checking knowledge and skills once a year or something like that.
            1. asar
              asar 17 September 2014 06: 53
              +6
              To begin with, a person who has bought a "firearm" for self-defense should be taught seriously to use a weapon! Not everyone served, not everyone remembers! A weapon in inept hands will only harm the owner of it! And yet - a serious measure of responsibility for storage, use, up to serious terms of imprisonment!
              1. AndreyRS
                AndreyRS 17 September 2014 07: 35
                +12
                Did you get a hunter? Teach. And on the firearm course and possession and laws will be. And conscious citizens (now not protected !!!) we have a lot more gopoty (who already have weapons !!!). Nothing bad will happen with the permission of the weapon. And the gopot will calm down. Will be afraid. Check the weapons in bulk. Conclusion for those who do not have permission. And time will pass - the people will become more protected. It will become.
                1. michell
                  michell 17 September 2014 16: 44
                  +7
                  In Moscow, a group (gang) of Moldovans was once detained - on the streets, passers-by were wringing out mobile phones. To the question of the cops - "What, you couldn't do the same at your place, they came to Moscow," they answered, "We can grab a bullet for that, but here - calmly." Something like this...
                  1. shershen
                    shershen 19 September 2014 00: 12
                    0
                    and here you can get a knife under the ribs, you are my mother ....
                2. bobba94
                  bobba94 19 September 2014 17: 51
                  +2
                  The correct formulation of the question. And then they all argue about property, theft. Here the main question is the question of protecting honor and dignity. From ancient times there was a rule - if you are a free person, then you have a weapon and no one has the right to insult you. If you are a slave, you are nobody.
              2. Victor Demchenko
                Victor Demchenko 19 September 2014 15: 13
                0
                absolutely agree! and you don’t need to look for examples - the case at a school in Moscow is indicative, and even very! crying
            2. shershen
              shershen 19 September 2014 00: 10
              0
              I agree, and even the gangsters will show off their gangs when they realize that they are now on equal terms with everyone.
            3. Victor Demchenko
              Victor Demchenko 19 September 2014 15: 11
              0
              in - in! and in the head of such a check put Vasya Pupkin (or anyone else), but only having such a level of knowledge, and we will get the maximum problems. In my opinion, such things must be resolved in the same way as in the whole world: shit-answer, regardless of persons and positions. it’s still not clear to me: why are boys 18 years old trusted in weapons, and not only small arms, but they who don’t trust us who have served in the army and have more than a dozen years? our elects in the State Duma refer to the mentality, and how does the mentality in Molodovo differ from ours? so there after allowing permission to wear a short barrel and casts legislation in accordance with the vital necessity, the level of street serious crimes fell three times ... request and what arguments still need? look at the statistics: about 70% of murders on household grounds with kitchen knives take place in Russia, so what? let's forbid knives, as in medieval Japan, one knife with a blunt end and a chain in the middle of the village? !!! and why do the same deputies HAVE the same short barrel, but I can’t? What, I did not go out with a snout? fool
          3. tommy717
            tommy717 17 September 2014 06: 35
            +5
            Absolutely right. I support 100%. Only the circle of legally possessing weapons should have serious limitations.
          4. woron333444
            woron333444 17 September 2014 12: 23
            +2
            I completely agree, and the example of the United States shows that weapons are used only in those states where the carrying of weapons is prohibited.
          5. podpolkovnik
            podpolkovnik 17 September 2014 15: 48
            +4
            Quote: BYV
            Have you often heard about crimes committed with the help of legal, SHOTED weapons? As for me, I am for the legalization of the short-barrel, but categorically against traumatism. A person subconsciously does not perceive trauma as a weapon, so he uses it without hesitation. In addition, shooting injuries is problematic. And a man who decides to commit a crime will get a firearm without any problems. Thus, a law-abiding citizen finds himself in a deliberately losing situation.
        2. DV69
          DV69 16 September 2014 23: 21
          +29
          Quote: Krasnoarmeec

          American experience?!?!? Has anyone ever heard that some kind of righteous "mattress" prevented a mass execution, say, at school or somewhere else? Rhetorical question ...
          My opinion is trite- Do not shoot the weapon that is not!
          Although I would like to have, but chur, chur, chur No.
          And for shoots and saigas on banks is enough.


          So one manager in Moscow from "Saiga" people shot.
          Ban is not an option. In most cases, kill with table knives and axes.
          permission for hunting weapons can be obtained, even for smooth, even for rifled. You can get permission for injury.
          And with the traumatic pistols they shot the people - do not worry about mom. At the same time, when there was a discussion about permission to sell such weapons to private individuals, some experts suggested instead of traumatic permission to sell civilian rifled weapons.
          This opinion was motivated by the fact that a traumatic pistol is almost an ideal weapon for killing. Judge for yourself, there are no bulletproof magazines, because of the inability to identify a rubber bullet. Identification is more difficult with a sleeve. but quite possible.
          In addition, a person who has an injury uses the barrel without hesitation, like "What will I do to him, well, I'll leave a bruise", although the ballistics of a shot from this type of self-defense weapon is not predictable.

          Now consider a rifled short barrel.
          Tell me which one will shoot from a registered weapon if it is shot and the arrow is immediately found?
          Now about the permission for this type of weapon.
          In my understanding, such permission can only be obtained by a competent person who has served in the Armed Forces of Russia after receiving all documents confirming his mental health. Permission is given only for storage without the right to carry it (with the exception of cases when the weapon is transported in a sky-ready condition, for example, in a shooting gallery). A separate license must be issued for the right to bear arms, and a request for the issuance of such a license must be motivated.
          Now about the inquiries. A person who issued a certificate to an unhealthy or previously convicted (with an unexpunged criminal record, with the exception of particularly serious crimes), a citizen should be sentenced to a term that is provided for the intentional murder of two or more persons.
          1. the polar
            the polar 17 September 2014 06: 41
            +4
            Quote: DV69

            Now about the inquiries. A person who issued a certificate to an unhealthy or previously convicted (with an unexpunged criminal record, with the exception of particularly serious crimes), a citizen should be sentenced to a term that is provided for the intentional murder of two or more persons.

            You will find a lot of convicted doctors issuing various certificates for bribes. Any bribe doctor who issued a fake certificate will say that when he issued it, the client was sane, and the medical community will confirm this. So do not be offended if you arrive 9 grams from a citizen with a certificate, just because he did not like you.
            1. DV69
              DV69 17 September 2014 11: 07
              +2
              Quote: Polar

              You will find a lot of convicted doctors issuing various certificates for bribes. Any bribe doctor who issued a fake certificate will say that when he issued it, the client was sane, and the medical community will confirm this. So do not be offended if you arrive 9 grams from a citizen with a certificate, just because he did not like you.


              It is necessary that the punishment be such that the bribe for the certificate does not compensate him, then they will not take it.
          2. shershen
            shershen 19 September 2014 00: 14
            0
            Well, yes, the manager shot the obviously unarmed people, but they would have been armed, the stop crane would have worked in his brain right away.
          3. macarque
            macarque 19 September 2014 12: 45
            0
            Neither add nor subtract the full and specific alignment "+" you
          4. PSih2097
            PSih2097 20 September 2014 21: 49
            0
            Quote: DV69
            In my understanding, such permission can only be obtained by a competent person who has served in the Armed Forces of Russia after receiving all documents confirming his mental health.

            among other things, he (the person) must pass five years with a smooth-bore and the same amount with a groove, and only then get permission for a pistol or revolver ... IMHO
        3. AndreyRS
          AndreyRS 17 September 2014 07: 30
          +8
          In the United States, they shoot at school for the reason that carrying weapons is prohibited there. And they don’t shoot on the streets - because anyone can pull out the barrel in return and shoot you back. Criminals already have weapons. But there are no citizens. And they cannot defend themselves. I am definitely for it. If a minor is .... he is quietly taking a bag, a phone, a hat from a mother with a child, then with the adoption of the law she will simply shoot him in the leg and she will be right. I have a weapon. Never applied. But I feel at least a little protected.
        4. Passer
          Passer 17 September 2014 23: 39
          0
          Quote: Krasnoarmeec
          And for shoots and saigas on banks is enough.

          For shoots on banks and pneumatics for the eyes is enough.
        5. Passer
          Passer 17 September 2014 23: 39
          0
          Quote: Krasnoarmeec
          And for shoots and saigas on banks is enough.

          For shoots on banks and pneumatics for the eyes is enough.
      4. Blondy
        Blondy 17 September 2014 03: 24
        +24
        Again, the American experience is being imposed on us!
        In my opinion, this is rather a good old pre-revolutionary experience, when any citizen of the Russian Empire could buy firearms for himself in any shop and even carry them with him. And somehow nothing - the problem of the shootings was not there. The only thing is that young idiots quite often fired from unhappy love. The present, by all indications, is no longer threatened, and an errant official has hardly shot himself from shame.
      5. Strezhevsky
        Strezhevsky 17 September 2014 04: 35
        -1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        I am definitely against ..! Again, the American experience is being imposed on us! already periodically hammered into the head .. Guess why and for what?

        Do we really need to resell our Kalash at a triple price?
        Weapon lobbies from behind the hill, already askomin stuffed!
      6. terrible
        terrible 17 September 2014 07: 08
        +4
        In vain you think so) when you have weapons in your hands, those around you become an order of politeness and friendliness)))))))
      7. air wolf
        air wolf 18 September 2014 12: 19
        +1
        I'm for it! Because the next Muslim brothers will come and begin to cut again and you will wallow with the cut off head! Although I have trunks, there are enough knives with a safe, but the trunk on my pocket gives me a chance!
      8. vvdmitriyvv
        vvdmitriyvv 18 September 2014 15: 06
        0
        Do not whistle! where does the United States ??? weapons are allowed in the US because of the "mobilized society" - read their constitution! we have a different picture! in our country, bandits and oligarchs and so calmly acquire weapons, and not registered! but ordinary people have no access to it at all! if this law is released, any bandit will think before running into someone, because this someone can easily be armed! Several years ago I witnessed a case when a jeep blocked the road from there a crowd of youngsters spilled out, one of them had a pistol in his hand. They pulled the girl out of the stopped car and started beating her, not paying any attention to the police "pill" standing next to them, let alone passers-by ... The cops were not timid - they worked professionally, it was dear to see! what do you think - if there was a chance that the girl was armed, would they do that? in Russia, as it was preserved in the Caucasus, there was always a weapon in the house! - this is the norm! now, of course, they are afraid to give people weapons - suddenly the oligarchs will be shot! as was the case with us - a plumber shot his employer after he did not pay him money for several months ... unlike the pro-oligarchic authorities, I personally am on the side of that locksmith!
      9. lankrus
        lankrus 18 September 2014 19: 33
        0
        Quote: MIKHAN
        I am definitely against ..! Again, the American experience is being imposed on us! already periodically hammered into the head .. Guess why and for what?


        It's funny Everyone nods at the American experience, no one even bothers to just look at the statistics.
        In 2012, there were 10000 murders per 4,2 inhabitants in America, and 9,3 in Russia.
        Compare the numbers and understand the benefits of legalizing weapons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%81%D1%82%
        D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D1%8E_%D1%83%D0%BC
        %D1%8B%D1%88%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85_%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%
        D1% 82% D0% B2

        Why is that. Because they no longer get into your house, they’re afraid of running into a bullet.
        You will not be robbed in a dark alley, etc. And if this happens, then you have a guarantee that you will protect your family, yourself, and even your country from all kinds of radishes.
        The number of police does not affect statistics, because they only protect themselves, and for a change, they record crimes.
    2. Finches
      Finches 16 September 2014 22: 13
      0
      In general, the head is needed in order to think and think comprehensively!

      Our society in its mentality, consciousness, upbringing has not matured to any weapon! We are essentially a society of kindness, but with a sudden manifestation of aggression! So if you conduct a survey in all the colonies and prisons in Russia, it is quite possible that you will get a result of 60 percent, no more! And this is because, as the majority answers, until it begins to think, and literally after some time, this percentage begins to fall!
      America is a good example of the full legalization of weapons - constant massacres!

      No need to lobby manufacturers and sellers of death; lobby better for teachers and sports trainers for youth, create art, literary, craft schools ...
      I understand that to love goodness is much harder and less profitable!
      But try it, you might like it and you will be remembered by people who did not die at the hands of the Durobes, whom you put into your hands a gun!
      1. Mooh
        Mooh 16 September 2014 22: 24
        +24
        And here I am against wearing, but definitely for storage. A person must have a legal opportunity to defend his house with weapons in his hands. By the way, do you know how much a machine gun costs in St. Petersburg? Recently, for just 1500 euros, I was offered a new PC in oil. So, whoever needs it and without permission will buy it, and even cheaper than in the store, and a law-abiding person with a banal smooth-bore has inhuman hemorrhage.
        A very competent option in Switzerland: he served in the army, get a barrel for home storage, on a green whistle to mobilize, come in an ekip and with weapons to the collection point.
        1. Finches
          Finches 16 September 2014 22: 31
          +4
          Man is different for a man, and the presence of a weapon significantly changes the consciousness of an adult, not even a mature person in a certain situation ... Not that mankind has not grown to arms, no! Let’s think how to save mankind from the desire to have a weapon — that’s exactly what will be the evolution of mankind! And not what we see now, as if more sophisticated and effective to kill your own kind!
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 16 September 2014 22: 40
            0
            In general, I am against the legalization of weapons. It was still not enough that any scum would indulge in trunks, especially pistols - originally created for hidden wear. But on the other hand, I do not see anything reprehensible in the defense of my home with a firearm. After all, when your life and the lives of your loved ones are in danger - then you simply must destroy the aggressors. Because in the opposite situation, they will kill you and your relatives, easily and freely.
            1. 23 region
              23 region 16 September 2014 23: 03
              +14
              Quote: Basarev
              After all, when your life and the lives of your loved ones are in danger - then you simply must destroy the aggressors. Because in the opposite situation, they will kill you and your relatives, easily and freely.
            2. alexander 2
              alexander 2 17 September 2014 02: 13
              -5
              A hunting rifle is enough to protect your home. The current legislation allows this to be done. And no gun is needed. Permission is needed only to traders because it is a lot of money and they do not care that mortality from weapons will increase many times. When it smells of money, conscience falls asleep.
              1. shoe
                shoe 17 September 2014 03: 05
                +11
                enough hunting rifle? when bandits burst into your apartment I would like to see how you manage to run into the bedroom, open the safe, get this meter-long dudorg, charge the cartridge, cock the trigger!
                1. Per se.
                  Per se. 17 September 2014 06: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: bashmak
                  when bandits burst into your apartment I would like to see
                  Yes, fullness! I suppose you would go to the toilet at home with a pistol? If they cannot put things in order with injuries, they did not protect anyone, on the contrary, it was not the bandits that became more dangerous, but these most ordinary citizens with a pistol. They can't put things in order with an accident, but give the car also a combat barrel in the glove compartment ... Maybe this demagogy about kitchen knives, pre-revolutionary Russia, "slaves" and "equality" according to Sam Colt will be enough? Madame Butina is itching to do everything, she was already accused of smuggling the interests of the arms lobby, first of all, foreign, again old songs about the "main thing" began. It is not the population's weapons that are dangerous, it is already the sea, the legalization of lynching is dangerous, without trial and investigation. You even have a count on your head, give me a gun to play superman, and "supermen" in real life, do it when they wet them and take away their own weapons.
                2. Victor Demchenko
                  Victor Demchenko 19 September 2014 15: 35
                  0
                  and by the way: according to the Law on the possession of hunting weapons: ... weapons must be stored in a SAFE CLOSED to the KEY, in the DISASSEMBLED CONDITION, SEPARATELY from the AMMUNITION, WHICH SHOULD BE CLOSED IN THE HOTEL BOX ... interesting, and this is all the time open, assemble the barrel and charge? not so long ago one aunt in the Sverdlovsk region was not planted just because the media intervened and made a fuss, and how much nerves and money are needed to prove that you are not a camel?
          2. Mooh
            Mooh 16 September 2014 22: 52
            +9
            Quote: Finches
            Man is different for a man, and the presence of a weapon significantly changes the consciousness of an adult, not even a mature person in a certain situation ... Not that mankind has not grown to arms, no! Let’s think how to save mankind from the desire to have a weapon — that’s exactly what will be the evolution of mankind! And not what we see now, as if more sophisticated and effective to kill your own kind!

            This is already pure Marxism - the Leninism of the Brezhnev era. A person needs to be saved not from craving for weapons, but from causing trouble to another person. And the only way is to realize this person’s inevitability of punishment. Everything else is an ideology that gives, at best, a temporary result. It is impossible to re-educate the beast, it can only be trained.
            1. Finches
              Finches 16 September 2014 23: 28
              0
              When, God forbid, shoot your child at school, some kind of crazy guy who declared exactly the same goals at the beginning as you did! I think that you will change your attitude!
              And yet, I would not have attacked Marxism-Leninism so much - look at the statistics of murders in the USSR for any year and compare with the statistics of murders in Russia - it is clear that even without the legalization of weapons, Russia has stepped far in increasing corpses and is boldly moving along the path of "democratic "society only forward!
              1. maximus
                maximus 17 September 2014 06: 52
                +3
                Quote: Finches
                look at the statistics of murders in the USSR for any year and compare with the statistics of murders in Russia

                Where do you remember the true statistics in our good USSR? Yes, and about today's Russia, I have big doubts! Although the order, or maybe self-awareness was more! Only here are hunting rifles, in the USSR they were stored more on the wall, well, on the last man in the sofa! Now, try without a safe! And the post-war years of the Second World War, the smooth-bore sold freely, the children behind them (even minors), walked through the city into the woods, traveled by public transport! The award was in bulk! And then it happened that they shot and dashing 90 fire, and now they are scorching! But who is shooting? My father, at the age of 14, personally accustomed me to arms and was not afraid to give, he taught to automatism! how to behave when hunting. And I teach mine, so they don’t have any fashion with weapons to play, or grab when not long after! I think the point is how to present this weapon to a person and teach him how to deal with it! And not 2 weeks to learn, at some courses, but since childhood!
              2. Mooh
                Mooh 17 September 2014 12: 13
                0
                Quote: Finches
                When, God forbid, shoot your child at school, some kind of crazy guy who declared exactly the same goals at the beginning as you did! I think that you will change your attitude!
                And yet, I would not have attacked Marxism-Leninism so much - look at the statistics of murders in the USSR for any year and compare with the statistics of murders in Russia - it is clear that even without the legalization of weapons, Russia has stepped far in increasing corpses and is boldly moving along the path of "democratic "society only forward!

                You obviously did not understand me wink I am against the public carrying of any weapon, including knives, axes and baseball bats. And I did not attack Marxism-Leninism, but attempts to re-educate a person through ideology. In the USSR, low crime was not because everyone was kind, but because the police worked less normally. And now it’s not necessary to develop self-defense (the Colt law is good in underdeveloped territories, it is simply dangerous in the city), and law enforcement agencies should be brought to a normal state.
                At the same time, having a house trunk in a safe and under a license is very useful for a number of reasons.
          3. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 19 September 2014 15: 29
            0
            yes you rotten liberalist, my friend! what this platform leads to is seen in the example of the southeast of Ukraine !!! there men DO NOT WANT TO PROTECT THEIR LAND !!! are you calling us to this?
        2. Styx
          Styx 16 September 2014 22: 38
          +1
          Well, such an alternative has a right to life, but again in the future. The same Swiss, sorry, were trained in the most severe laws and fines for any fault for a couple of centuries, that's for sure. We have everything ahead .....
        3. 23 region
          23 region 16 September 2014 22: 58
          +7
          Quote: MooH
          A person must have a legal opportunity to defend his house with weapons in his hands.
        4. Not local
          Not local 17 September 2014 00: 13
          +3
          Quote: MooH
          By the way, do you know how much a machine gun costs in St. Petersburg? Recently, for just 1500 euros, I was offered a new PC in oil.


          throw off the address who should, one hundred pounds of illegal sale.
        5. macarque
          macarque 19 September 2014 12: 59
          0
          Your gentlemen are cheaper. In Yekaterinburg "Stechkin" which is APS-65t.r which is APB-72t.r. Makarov from 20 to 45 with a silencer included.
      2. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 16 September 2014 23: 21
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        lobby better for teachers and sports trainers for youth, create art, literary, craft schools ...
        I understand that to love goodness is much harder and less profitable!


        Robert Burns
        LINES ABOUT WAR AND LOVE
        Covered with laurels, robbery,
        Both land and sea
        Not worth the praise.
        I'm ready to give my blood
        In that life-giving battle
        What we call love.

        I praise the world for triumph
        Satisfaction and prosperity.
        Create a nicer one
        How to destroy a dozen!

      3. Kirasar
        Kirasar 16 September 2014 23: 30
        +4
        I completely disagree with you. Let's take a look. So you write that our mentality is not ripe for such a weapon. But the American is ripe. The American citizen, in your opinion, is more conscious ... Well, okay. (And please do not write about the fact that the police should work, you can’t put a policeman on every corner) Write about the massacres. But neither are committed in most of the long trunk! A carbine can be bought from us. The story, say, with Breivik, could end very quickly if one of the students had a gun. They go with a long barrel to kill, it is more convenient with it. And the mercenary still has a gun. Well and in conclusion about the lobby. There are undoubtedly parties interested in opening short-barrel sales.
        1. Finches
          Finches 16 September 2014 23: 39
          +1
          If you mean me, on the contrary, I wrote that for the most part humanity has not matured to the presence of free weapons, including the American one!
          Take the story - as soon as humanity at the legislative level began to pursue the proliferation of weapons and unsubstantiated murder (duel), then humanity began to live a little longer and more of it began to appear on Earth!
          I agree that my wording is quite simple, but nevertheless, we now live a little longer than a couple of centuries ago and not only thanks to the development of medicine, but also to the improvement of human consciousness and morality!
      4. Kirasar
        Kirasar 16 September 2014 23: 46
        +3
        I completely disagree. Let us, as you call, think comprehensively. So you write that our society has not grown to a short-barrel. And the American, of course, has grown! America does not drink, does not smoke, and they do not have slums. And their citizens are conscious ... not like us :( And just don’t write that the police should do their job better. I myself would not mind, but you won’t put a guard on every corner. Next, about the massacres. You didn’t notice that MASS kill from a long barrel? And we have rifles allowed. Let's recall something loud ... let's say Breivik. How long would he be able to walk around the island if students, even two or three, had pistols? The answer is obvious. And in conclusion about the lobby. Of course, there are parties interested in opening sales of pistols. But remember that these sales will incur considerable taxes to the budget, which is now difficult. To summarize, I will write everything - I am for the culture of arms, I am for changing the legislation in the field of self-defense, I am for tight control, I’m so that I can protect myself EVERYWHERE,
      5. michell
        michell 17 September 2014 17: 08
        +2
        Please answer, please, how does the mentality of the inhabitants of the Republic of Moldova differ from the mentality of the inhabitants of Russia. In Moldova, the short barrels are allowed, and no one has shot anyone. It turns out that the minds of Moldovans have matured to possess a short-barrel, but the Russians haven’t? I repeat - a weapon is first of all responsibility, everyone should be responsible for himself, and if someone believes that he is not ripe for a gun - a free will, but do not need to cut everyone to his comb - if a person has not grown to possess a weapon - there is no need to acquire it, that's all. My wife does not drive a car and does not want to study, because she believes that there is nothing to do with her character behind the wheel. So what - this is her free choice, and no one limits her in him. With the barrel somehow as well.
      6. vvdmitriyvv
        vvdmitriyvv 18 September 2014 15: 19
        +1
        where does the readiness of society ??? it’s not about the general armament of all citizens! and the readiness of each individual individual to carry weapons should be discussed by psychologists and a track record, if any! For two years I served in the arms with an assault rifle in the army - not a single jamb, not self-arrows, nor attempts to use it against any of my colleagues! who can tell me that I am not ready to carry weapons after I guarded the sleep of citizens of the Russian Federation for 2 years, and then another one and a half (having quit) ???
      7. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 19 September 2014 15: 25
        0
        judging by your statements, the saying is 100% right: in the rain and cold, in the snow and mud there is a valiant connection! Well, now think with your head, read the comments and sayings of KNOWLEDGE people and understand: UNTIL YOU YOURSELF can repel the gopot, NO police-schmilitia will personally help YOU! I'd rather sit two (or three) years in excess of self-defense than my relatives will grieve at the funeral! and yet: not so long ago, the use of sambo techniques or other types of martial arts was equivalent to the use of weapons, thank God now this insanity has gone into oblivion.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 16 September 2014 22: 43
      0
      Yes bullshit all this. Where does the statistics come from? The arms lobby in our Deme ?. Why not. Here, for example, we are ordinary citizens. And what short-defense to defend themselves from the police, or from those whom they cover? So it turns out that we are bred into a civil war inside Russia. Or is Ukraine no longer an example of this?
      1. Mooh
        Mooh 16 September 2014 22: 47
        +9
        Ukraine did a good job without legalization. This is not an argument.
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 17 September 2014 00: 05
          +3
          An argument in legalizing what is not an argument? There is a Maidan, because the paid "police" cannot protect us. You, there, arm yourself, and we will always make money on the ATO. So what do you think? Russians take up arms when the enemy is external, and not among themselves. Hack it on your nose, "gentlemen" Russia do not know! Our time will come.
          1. Luga
            Luga 17 September 2014 01: 47
            0
            Quote: siberalt
            Russians take up arms when the enemy is external, and not among themselves.


            This is an argument. Supporters of weapons should understand that they vote so that we can kill each other by shooting in the streets, legally.

            Short weapons - by definition, weapons of attack, not defense. This is mainly due to the possibility of its hidden wearing, which ensures the suddenness of the attack.

            A professional criminal will not refuse an attack on the grounds that a potential victim may be armed. He simply plans the attack differently - more aggressively. Roughly speaking, it does not fit with the demand, but will strike from behind with something heavy without talking.

            As for the drunken showdowns, you can really dream up yourself. Instead of a banal massacre in a tavern, at a disco, at a wedding, anniversary, etc. there will be a shootout. With bullets whistling back and forth, a powder burn and blood on the floors, tablecloths and curtains.

            I understand that sometimes I want to knock on the head a boor or a byd.lan for some rudeness or bydlanism. Can not? Go to the gym - train. Do not want to train - be patient.

            In short - minus to all who are "for" and plus to all who are "against". smile
            1. Horn
              Horn 17 September 2014 05: 52
              +2
              Quote: Luga
              Quote: siberalt
              Russians take up arms when the enemy is external, and not among themselves.


              This is an argument. Supporters of weapons should understand that they vote so that we can kill each other by shooting in the streets, legally.

              Short weapons - by definition, weapons of attack, not defense. This is mainly due to the possibility of its hidden wearing, which ensures the suddenness of the attack.

              A professional criminal will not refuse an attack on the grounds that a potential victim may be armed. He simply plans the attack differently - more aggressively. Roughly speaking, it does not fit with the demand, but will strike from behind with something heavy without talking.

              As for the drunken showdowns, you can really dream up yourself. Instead of a banal massacre in a tavern, at a disco, at a wedding, anniversary, etc. there will be a shootout. With bullets whistling back and forth, a powder burn and blood on the floors, tablecloths and curtains.

              I understand that sometimes I want to knock on the head a boor or a byd.lan for some rudeness or bydlanism. Can not? Go to the gym - train. Do not want to train - be patient.

              In short - minus to all who are "for" and plus to all who are "against". smile

              - Publicly available crime statistics. Who prevents you from making a purely "for sebe" sample by countries where short-barrels are allowed (even to take the Balts or Moldovans) and countries where it is not allowed. With regards to the US, there are also statistics on the states where it is allowed and where it is not allowed. You will be unpleasantly surprised: there are more serious crimes where weapons are prohibited.
            2. vvdmitriyvv
              vvdmitriyvv 18 September 2014 15: 30
              0
              1. I would like to see how you walked along the street with a 2-barrel under your arm ...
              2. In order for this to be short-haired so that the enemy does not know whether the object of the attack is armed or not!
              3. Nobody said that weapons should be given to drunkards and mentally unstable individuals!
              4. This does not interfere with gym classes!
              in short, for your arguments, minus, for the attempt and desire to defend your opinion plus - in total - I will manage without ratings ...
        2. siberalt
          siberalt 17 September 2014 00: 55
          +1
          Ukraine has failed to cope with this. And it was not necessary, "lord" ignorant. On your cons - from the high bell tower ... laughing Comrades, I apologize for the intemperance. In institutes of noble maidens did not study.
    4. OlegSp
      OlegSp 17 September 2014 06: 24
      0
      What, in fact, is discussed in the article ... about arms control, permission and about the owners themselves. But I am for legalization.
    5. the polar
      the polar 17 September 2014 06: 35
      0
      The duty and duty of the state to fight crime, therefore, the government should tighten the law, up to execution, for banditry, for the use of weapons against unarmed citizens, and not arm "law-abiding".
      Three million officials stuck to the budget, three times more than in the USSR, and crime increased by more than thirty times. If you give weapons to the population, then only to shoot the official rabble and replace it with a more responsible one - those who are afraid of the law and the People’s Power.
      Let's hope that the author of the article and the deputies pushing for the law on the legalization of the short-barreled shot will be one of the first to fly in the forehead - as payment for dirty work
    6. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka 17 September 2014 13: 18
      0
      not an argument ....
      it’s not a weapon that shoots, but a man holding it ..... and we have people to look after, every hundredth citizen of the Russian Federation is an employee of law enforcement agencies.
    7. michell
      michell 17 September 2014 18: 54
      +2
      With control, and now everything is in order - monitor the topic, chat with people who own not even rifled, but smooth weapons. Before getting on sale, a weapon is fired back, samples of bullets and cartridges are stored in a bulletproof magazine, regular checks of gun owners, permits must be periodically renewed - and this is a physical examination, etc. - so everything is in order with the control.
    8. michell
      michell 17 September 2014 18: 54
      +1
      With control, and now everything is in order - monitor the topic, chat with people who own not even rifled, but smooth weapons. Before getting on sale, a weapon is fired back, samples of bullets and cartridges are stored in a bulletproof magazine, regular checks of gun owners, permits must be periodically renewed - and this is a physical examination, etc. - so everything is in order with the control.
    9. Megatron
      Megatron 19 September 2014 18: 52
      0
      Can you imagine the LCN rushing behind the trunks then, moreover, legally already. They are right now with injuries, but they will be with combat.
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 19 September 2014 18: 59
        0
        And yet, the point is in a short barrel, if with the current legislation, even without a barrel, for "too strong" self-defense, almost 100% are imprisoned?
  2. Million
    Million 16 September 2014 21: 57
    0
    Do not do this!
    1. marauder555
      marauder555 16 September 2014 22: 59
      +33
      I read and just get lost))))))))))))))))))
      What are you talking about? about the ban ??? for whom???
      Оopen your eyes and see - even now, when "short-barreled" is "forbidden" - there is a lot of leftist and far from being "short-barreled", IT IS NOT SPECIALLY HIDDEN. The same outrageous bandits (cops), hot Caucasian dzhigits, contingent ZK, sons of all kinds of bureaucrats, etc. etc.
      As for the ban, HE IS FORBIDDING only the most ordinary citizens(they even did insanity with hunting to make it harder to acquire, and to get as much money out of a person as possible) who are allowed to rob, rape, kill ... and so that ordinary citizens do not inadvertently cause serious mental trauma by resisting their criminal! not to cripple in any way, let alone deprive of life !!!

      One sensible wrote - about the vertical of power, wrote correctly, this has already passed ...

      ANY OF THE ABOVE DISCUSSEDS HAS A STRONG, VERY STRONG SELF-PRESERVATION INSTINCT, AND REMEMBER - EVEN THOUGHTS IT EVEN IF IT IS STOPPED, EVEN IT IS STILL STARTED. IF IN RESPONSE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE LEAD, AFTER TO Lethal concentration in the body as a result of POISONING WITH HEAVY METALS))))

      SPECIALLY FOR HUMAN RESPONSIBILITIES - DO NOT TELL ABOUT THE CELEBRATION OF THE LAW AND THE IMMISSIBILITY OF PUNISHMENTS ... and at least until greening I’m poking around ... I put the bolt into cons)))

      FOR UNDERSTANDING - SEE NEWS ... READ BETWEEN LINES ... ARM YOUR OPPORTUNITY ...
      1. Nikskiff
        Nikskiff 16 September 2014 23: 16
        +8
        I agree! the criminal is always armed.
        1. the polar
          the polar 17 September 2014 06: 55
          -7
          Quote: Nikskiff
          I agree! the criminal is always armed.

          The criminal is always armed because power is corrupt.
          Then, first, this power must be removed from contentment and replaced with power responsible to the Law. But for this people are possible and can massively arm themselves.
          1. Ugrumiy
            Ugrumiy 17 September 2014 10: 31
            +7
            A criminal is always armed not because the government is corrupt, but because he is a CRIMINAL! And if we take the statistics of murders, then the most common murder weapon is an ordinary kitchen knife, so let's ban it! I am for legalization, but on the condition that there is a clear and precise law on self-defense, toughening the rules for the acquisition and possession of short-barreled weapons so that they do not fall into the hands of idiots, as well as the obligatory annual free training courses and exams on short-barrel ownership for its owners, have not passed / did not pass, the trunk is selected and the license is canceled. We need to instill a culture of handling weapons and exercise real and strict control over them, then there will be no problems with their owners.
      2. Dym71
        Dym71 17 September 2014 00: 18
        +3
        Quote: maroder555
        One sensible wrote - about the vertical of power, wrote correctly, this has already passed ..

        Absolutely in the top ten!
        The issue of legalizing weapons is a matter of trusting the people in power and nothing more. hi
      3. equity
        equity 17 September 2014 01: 26
        -9
        maroder555 (2) quote: "I read and just go crazy))))))))))))))))
        What are you talking about people ??? about the ban ??? for whom??? Open your eyes and see - even now, when "short-barreled" is "forbidden" - there is a lot of leftist and far from being "short-barreled", IT IS NOT SPECIALLY HIDDEN. The same outrageous bandyuk (cops), hot Caucasian dzhYgits, the ZK contingent, the sons of any bureaucrats, etc. etc. "

        It is interesting where you are and what news you are looking at, I look at the news every day on different Russian TV channels and on the Internet I follow the news, for example, based on this news, 49 out of 50 crimes using firearms do exactly that ( persons of Slavic nationality) bully , about violence, especially against children in general I am silent, it's just a classic fashion if you want, u (persons of Slavic nationality)! I have never heard in my life that a Dagestani Chechen or Ingush raped children !!!
        1. Ugrumiy
          Ugrumiy 17 September 2014 10: 35
          +4
          Do not stir up, and people of Caucasian nationality in the ranks of rapists and murderers are enough! If you have not heard about this, it does not mean that this is not. In general, the criminal does not have a nation, he is a criminal and that’s it!
      4. Vel
        Vel 17 September 2014 01: 44
        +3
        Than judo and karate better old TT lol
      5. Horn
        Horn 17 September 2014 05: 55
        0
        That's it! Therefore, it is necessary to give the opportunity to protect themselves a law-abiding citizen.
      6. vvdmitriyvv
        vvdmitriyvv 18 September 2014 15: 38
        0
        what are the disadvantages?)))) see the bolt from thee heavy from uranium - crushed all the minuses! )))))))))))))))))))))))))
  3. saag
    saag 16 September 2014 21: 58
    -3
    to forbid, and then they’ll think of something good to rebel against the vertical of power :-)
    1. Styx
      Styx 16 September 2014 22: 09
      +3
      Ukrainians over against the vertical of the rebellion, having previously robbed Western arsenals, some elements of the rebellion even fly into our territory, and the whole country loses horizontal blood in blood: (((((And without us, hoe in the world of Sudan, Angola and other bananas -Latian replicas: (((nafih-nafih
      1. Tyumen
        Tyumen 16 September 2014 22: 31
        0
        That you just noticed.
        1. Ugrumiy
          Ugrumiy 17 September 2014 10: 37
          +1
          Yeah, and if law-abiding citizens had shot a dozen or two law-abiding people at the very beginning, it might have turned out differently. Don't you think?
    2. Kite
      Kite 17 September 2014 01: 12
      +4
      Quote: saag
      and then what good they think will revolt against the vertical of power :-)

      - the most naive thought! Rifled hunting (even for a buffalo, even for an elephant) and with optics is allowed, the authorities do not see any danger in this, and a pocket bundle with 500 joules scares. But you will not be with this bundle everywhere, in crowded places and in any weather. You won’t drag yourself. Only the most puzzled and those of the year do not drag this crap in your pocket.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 16 September 2014 22: 00
    +31
    - What is the attitude of society in the idea of ​​allowing citizens to defend themselves with the help of short-barreled firearms?

    The battles on this topic on our site were not comic.
    But I am more and more inclined to the idea that talking about it should be transferred to the plane of the right to protect a citizen of RUSSIA his life and health (as well as his relatives) with a clear threat by ANY WAYS without the consequences of persecution by our state.
  5. Interface
    Interface 16 September 2014 22: 00
    -9
    This same "Butina" is pushing the idea of ​​the legalization of firearms into an unhealthy society.

    We Caucasians with injuries go around Moscow, they arrange weddings with shooting, but then they will be given a battle.

    We’ll be like in the USA, where schoolchildren walk with trunks? And they can shoot. There were precedents.


    lo supporters of the legalization of short-arms in Russia tripled "


    Yeah. Yes, right now.

    Butina, I think it's time for you to be a fool.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 16 September 2014 22: 07
      +24
      We Caucasians with injuries go around Moscow, they arrange weddings with shooting, but then they will be given a battle.


      Yeah, and more bandits with bats go, do not forget to carry knives with you ...
      only our respectable citizens go with flowers Schaub from the bandits was something to fight back.
      I have repeatedly encountered criminal guys and I can say that it is very difficult to counter them with their bare hands without damaging their health .... and the law enforcement agencies honestly disappointed me in terms of the inevitability of punishment for a criminal.
      1. Interface
        Interface 16 September 2014 22: 14
        -12
        law enforcement agencies honestly disappointed me in terms of the inevitability of punishment for a criminal.


        To give out weapons to Russians is akin to the fact that you slippery slippery tiles rub on oil with shine to make it shine.

        The problem needs to be solved, and not accompanied by its aggravation, transferring the conflict to a more fierce stage of confrontation, distributing machine guns and grinders to the population.
        1. Horn
          Horn 17 September 2014 08: 48
          +6
          Quote: Interface
          law enforcement agencies honestly disappointed me in terms of the inevitability of punishment for a criminal.


          To give out weapons to Russians is akin to the fact that you slippery slippery tiles rub on oil with shine to make it shine.

          The problem needs to be solved, and not accompanied by its aggravation, transferring the conflict to a more fierce stage of confrontation, distributing machine guns and grinders to the population.

          - That is, a priori, the Russians are brainless hackers who only dream of bleeding their neighbor? And you yourself, dear, are you yourself? I now have a long barrel, and nothing, I’ve owned it for 26 years, and the neighbors are still alive.
        2. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 19 September 2014 16: 32
          0
          What exactly do you suggest? not empty-empty chatter, but concrete proposals to solve the problem? to recruit another 1000 policemen? In my opinion, we have already passed this, sense = big 000! fool and why exactly "give out weapons to ALL Russians?" after all, initially it is proposed to issue ONLY to mentally healthy, served well, etc. by the way, but what about female persons? After all, they for the most part do not serve in the army, because we do not have Israel with its UNIVERSAL military duty? hi in general, there are a lot of questions, but my opinion is to rezinoplyuy OUTSIDE THE LAW !!! negative
      2. isker
        isker 16 September 2014 22: 20
        +6
        law enforcement agencies - which are policemen? and kada it was so that the policemen would protect the people?
        1. Interface
          Interface 16 September 2014 22: 31
          -4
          law enforcement agencies - which are policemen?


          I do not argue. But this is a completely different topic of conversation.
          1. Alf
            Alf 17 September 2014 09: 36
            +1
            Quote: Interface
            law enforcement agencies - which are policemen?

            I do not argue. But this is a completely different topic of conversation.

            This is not another topic. Not at all different. This topic is the basis of the basics, which is why the whole fuss. It is from this topic that people want to arm themselves, because people do not believe that law enforcement agencies are able to protect them.
          2. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 19 September 2014 16: 33
            0
            JUST THE SAME !!!
        2. kergudu straight
          kergudu straight 16 September 2014 22: 37
          -1
          Quote: isker
          law enforcement agencies - which are policemen? and kada it was so that the policemen would protect the people?

          Of course, our wallets are protected from our money’s extra and not extra, they’re not bad on the track, and I’m not averse to robbing a simple hard worker, but if they aren’t there or will arrive already when the corpse has cooled down long ago to register a crime
          1. 23 region
            23 region 16 September 2014 23: 13
            0
            Quote: kerguda straight
            Quote: isker
            law enforcement agencies - which are policemen? and kada it was so that the policemen would protect the people?

            Of course, our wallets are protected from our money’s extra and not extra, they’re not bad on the track, and I’m not averse to robbing a simple hard worker, but if they aren’t there or will arrive already when the corpse has cooled down long ago to register a crime
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      3. Tyumen
        Tyumen 16 September 2014 22: 38
        +15
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        ha and even bandits with bats go, do not forget to carry knives with you ...

        I am not a bandit, but a simple hard worker, but I always have a Finnish with me. And several times already helped (20 years). Once, Stafford just grabbed his leg, almost broke a bone, so he could barely do that ... Then he took care of the owner longer.
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 17 September 2014 00: 00
          +7
          Is Hozyan alive? Or crying
          1. Tyumen
            Tyumen 19 September 2014 06: 24
            0
            Yes, they just talked with the owner, he almost fainted from the sight of blood, I had been trying to find out for a long time why he was carrying such weapons on a leash, with his sensitivity.
      4. the polar
        the polar 17 September 2014 07: 03
        +1
        Quote: The same Lech
        We Caucasians with injuries go around Moscow, they arrange weddings with shooting, but then they will be given a battle.


        Yeah, and more bandits with bats go, do not forget to carry knives with you ...
        only our respectable citizens go with flowers Schaub from the bandits was something to fight back.
        I have repeatedly encountered criminal guys and I can say that it is very difficult to counter them with their bare hands without damaging their health .... and the law enforcement agencies honestly disappointed me in terms of the inevitability of punishment for a criminal.

        So maybe law enforcement agencies need to hard clean and tighten the punishment for grievous bodily harm and murder until the execution. And at the same time for corruption to introduce the execution and confiscation.
        1. Alf
          Alf 17 September 2014 09: 43
          +2
          Quote: Polar
          So maybe law enforcement agencies need to hard clean and tighten the punishment for grievous bodily harm and murder until the execution. And at the same time for corruption to introduce the execution and confiscation.

          Cleaned a couple of years ago. So what ? How does this procedure go?
          They take personal files of Ivanov and Petrov. They look at reprimands and thanks. As a rule, an honest servant Ivanov has a lot of reprimands from his superiors for unnecessary anxiety and no thanks. But Petrov has no reprimands and sheer thanks. But Petrov’s everything is purely only in terms of reporting, but in fact, statements are not accepted, cases fall apart, witnesses refuse to testify.
          Who do you think will be left in the frames? This happened a few years ago.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 16 September 2014 22: 30
      +15
      Quote: Interface
      We’ll be like in the USA, where schoolchildren walk with trunks? And they can shoot. There were precedents.

      Schoolchildren with a trunk, at least with a legally acquired and licensed, do not walk on the streets here. And adults, too (alas, my staff practically does not issue licenses for hidden wearing, only to retired police officers, prosecutors, etc., and to everyone else, even retired military and prison guards - to hell). And even where they give out, they check for the absence of a criminal record, drug addiction, and mental illness. For storage in the house - this is welcome, but it’s also a check, and not younger than 18 (well, where is shkolota here?)
      And the fact that some boys in disadvantaged areas bring a pistol to school is so illegal, I think, and in Russia you can buy. But when buying "from the left", you never know how many corpses are already hanging on this trunk, and if they do, you will have to answer very unpleasant questions.
      1. Interface
        Interface 16 September 2014 22: 33
        +2
        And the fact that some boys in disadvantaged areas bring a gun to school is illegal, I think, and you can buy in Russia.


        This is what I had in mind.
      2. avdkrd
        avdkrd 17 September 2014 00: 00
        +5
        "Some boys" in Russia carry guns to school too. The boys are really more likely from prosperous areas .. In general, I think that the initiative "My home is my castle" is the best of all the bills in recent years. Wearing a short barrel is not so straightforward. I want to live in a country where you just don’t need to wear it ... The rules for applying trauma are simply put into a stupor. It is either necessary to prohibit it, or to regulate its use in more detail. Without delirium about a warning shot (just with a threat to health and life and with the right to shoot even in the head), but with a tough INSURANCE punishment for misuse (like for a combat one). In principle, it is better to prohibit - it is psychologically easier to apply trauma than combat, and the consequences are often more serious. On the battlefield - if, in parallel with the permission, you enter a VERY HARD and REALLY INSISTANT PUNISHMENT for illegal possession, use (for example, at a wedding or in a drunken stupor), then public safety will only increase. Taking into account the fact that a registered rifled barrel imposes responsibility and the possibility of control - those who like to shoot in traffic jams will quickly pass out.
    3. marauder555
      marauder555 16 September 2014 23: 09
      -2
      CAUCASUS WITH TRVMATS))))



      And who bothers you, AS THE RIGHT PERSON, WOULD LIKE TO CARRY A KNIFE WITH YOURSELF ???
      WHAT??? HUMANITY? HUMANITY ?? Well Toda
    4. 23 region
      23 region 16 September 2014 23: 09
      0
      Quote: Interface
      We Caucasians with injuries go around Moscow, they arrange weddings with shooting, but then they will be given a battle.
  6. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 16 September 2014 22: 00
    +1
    So you look and a personal tank will be allowed. Let's wait.
  7. Million
    Million 16 September 2014 22: 03
    0
    Then it’s necessary to resolve duels too!
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 18 September 2014 14: 57
      0
      - And nobody forbade them! smile We got acquainted with article 105 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and - "through a scarf, three steps ..."
  8. jaguar
    jaguar 16 September 2014 22: 07
    +11
    I will express myself on this subject. On the one hand, of course, there are risks that they will start to shoot as they please. It is hardly possible to tighten control over the legalization of weapons in a country where a mentally unhealthy person can easily acquire a barrel (having bought a certificate) !!! But in the current state of affairs in the police, which probably only protects itself, but not our citizens ... it’s probably worth it to resolve. Then we can at least protect ourselves !!!
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 16 September 2014 22: 44
      +8
      Something is not visible to the saigonosians, felling everyone right and left ...
      1. tomket
        tomket 16 September 2014 23: 05
        -2
        Quote: Basarev
        Something is not visible to the saigonos, felling everyone right and left ..

        Have you forgotten how children were shot in Belgorod?
        1. avdkrd
          avdkrd 17 September 2014 00: 12
          +3
          Quote: tomket
          Have you forgotten how children were shot in Belgorod?

          and he also shot from legal children. I could shoot what to take, steal and capture. When he was detained, he killed a policeman with a knife. This is how it relates to the legalization of a short barrel ???
          1. Tyumen
            Tyumen 19 September 2014 06: 14
            0
            Quote: avdkrd
            When he was detained, he killed a policeman with a knife.

            Yes, he didn’t kill, but wounded a bit.
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    2. Constanta
      Constanta 16 September 2014 23: 03
      -9
      Oh well! In our city, a group of sophomores went to a bar to drink beer in honor of a meeting after the holidays. We drank, and the toilet is somewhere on the street. And one young kid didn’t run, leaned against the wall behind the car ... and instantly died from a bullet. The guard who lived on the second floor of this house, and who thought that his car was in danger of storing weapons ... It was a shock to the whole city. And if they pass a lobbying law, such stories will become commonplace.
      1. tomket
        tomket 16 September 2014 23: 34
        -1
        Quote: constanta
        The guard who lived on the second floor of this house

        To anybody, this guard was "thinking, with his head on his shoulders, received permission, having handed over a bunch of certificates, and after passing a bunch of medical examinations, not punks, with experience, after service, they gave him for storage, and not" threw them into the hands of just anyone "" and other, and so on. In general, very few people can wobble in their heads. Chikatilo was intelligent-looking, how can such a trunk not be given out for self-defense?
      2. Alf
        Alf 17 September 2014 09: 50
        +4
        Quote: constanta
        Oh well! In our city, a group of sophomores went to a bar to drink beer in honor of a meeting after the holidays. We drank, and the toilet is somewhere on the street. And one young kid didn’t run, leaned against the wall behind the car ... and instantly died from a bullet.

        Should drink less ! Even if you suck a bucket of beer, you can always, at least slowly, at least crawl, but go to the toilet. Well, if the poor unfortunate kid Habit to relieve need at the nearest corner, then this is only his problem. Or is he also pouring water at home on all corners of the apartment?
        And if they pass a lobbying law,
        ,
        then the culture of people will inevitably increase. Have you ever wondered where in the States the habit of smiling at 33 teeth is for everyone? From the Wild West, when for a sidelong glance it was possible to get a bullet.
    3. avdkrd
      avdkrd 17 September 2014 00: 08
      +1
      Quote: jaguar
      the police that probably protect themselves only but not us citizens ...

      I am ambiguous towards the police, but I know for sure that at least in the Kuban (in Krasnodar specifically) people began to forget about street crime. Of course, corruption and idiocy are also enough, but this is in other areas, and the police perform their main function at 5+. I remember how it was in the nineties and as now, I see the same thing.
    4. the polar
      the polar 17 September 2014 07: 10
      -1
      Quote: jaguar
      But in the current state of affairs in the police, which probably only protects itself, but not our citizens ... it’s probably worth it to resolve. Then we can at least protect ourselves !!!

      And why then do the people feed such a lot of parasites that cannot protect them?
      Maybe it’s better for the PEOPLE to restore order and cleanse their space of such parasites than to hang around with weapons around the clock, constantly waiting for a bullet in the forehead from the same oncoming
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 18 September 2014 15: 03
        +1
        - Yes, that's right, only where to get people to replace the transferred parasites - we live on the same streets ... If only we bring up in hermetically sealed boxes, in strict accordance with the requirements of the laws, well, the wishes of the positive part of the population, of course ... laughing
  9. Barboskin
    Barboskin 16 September 2014 22: 11
    -5
    Weapons are good, only I'm afraid our society is not ready for these weapons.
    1. kergudu straight
      kergudu straight 16 September 2014 22: 28
      +7
      Quote: Barboskin
      Weapons are good, only I'm afraid our society is not ready for these weapons.

      Only criminals have long been ready, our laws are not ready, a fresh example, robbers burst into a neighbor, he fights back, another neighbor flies into the noise, they take away a gun from the robbers in a landfill and shoot them, the gun turned out to be a military one, three blind men and easy the neighbor was shot down, the investigators started a business on the neighbors and how it will end is not yet known, but of the robbers make the injured party
    2. Tyumen
      Tyumen 16 September 2014 22: 40
      -5
      I think too early, let the 90s generation die out.
      1. kergudu straight
        kergudu straight 16 September 2014 23: 08
        +4
        Quote: Tyumen
        I think too early, let the 90s generation die out.

        It is this generation that knows what weapons are, for nothing they will not shoot and carry them with them
        1. Tyumen
          Tyumen 16 September 2014 23: 53
          -1
          Yes, I didn’t mean us, but the youth for whom the 90s is a gangster romance, those who are from the * Brigade * are delighted. Wrong expressed.
          1. Alf
            Alf 17 September 2014 10: 01
            0
            Quote: Tyumen
            Yes, I didn’t mean us, but the youth for whom the 90s is a gangster romance, those who are from the * Brigade * are delighted. Wrong expressed.

            Yes, that's just the problem — this youth also had children and they were brought up in the same way.
      2. avdkrd
        avdkrd 17 September 2014 00: 24
        +4
        Quote: Tyumen
        I think too early, let the 90s generation die out.

        Excuse me, what generation?
        I can relate myself to the 90th - in the 90th I went to the army (served in the Western Group of Forces), in the 92nd I returned to another country. It is natural for a person to adapt to the environment, and only then change it in his favor. I'm not going to die out, but I don't even run with a barrel - I don't even have it (I don't even need it). Those who have gone through the nineties not in film series are either adequate or no longer with us, and for sure the "generation of the nineties" will not add problems.
        1. Tyumen
          Tyumen 19 September 2014 06: 19
          0
          Quote: avdkrd
          Excuse me, what generation?

          I’m from 75 years old, so in the 90s I was just a boob who ran around with the barrel and wrapped knife scars with a rag. Today, of course, I settled down).
    3. Alf
      Alf 17 September 2014 09: 59
      +4
      Quote: Barboskin
      Weapons are good, only I'm afraid our society is not ready for these weapons.

      Not ready. And it will be ready somewhere in 1000 years. This tale has been feeding us for 25 years. And when will it be ready, can you say?
  10. RyazanVDV
    RyazanVDV 16 September 2014 22: 13
    -10
    Personally, I am against the legalization of the short-barrel in our country, as this will INevitably lead to an increase in crime. For the first 2-3 years the situation will be just awful, subsequently the crime rate will certainly decrease, due to the fact that law enforcement officers, and society as a whole, will develop a system of counteraction in the new circumstances. But is such a game worth the candle?
    1. marauder555
      marauder555 16 September 2014 23: 15
      +11
      FOR THOSE WHO HAVE A SHORT MEMORY - IN RUSSIA BEFORE THE REVOLUTION, THERE WAS A FREE CARRYING OF A "SHORT BARREL"

      AND WHEN THE GREAT LEADER OF THE PEOPLES IV STALIN, AFTER THE WAR, AFTER THE WAR, THERE WAS ALSO A FREE MOVEMENT OF WEAPONS.

      ON THE US - IN THE SOUTH STATES, WHERE JUST THE LARGE PART OF WEAPON OWNERS AND SUPPORTERS LIVES CRIME AT A TIME LESS THAN ... MAKE CONCLUSIONS ...
    2. Alf
      Alf 17 September 2014 10: 09
      +3
      Tell me, how then to change the situation? So it will be that the bandit with the left weapon does what he wants, and an honest citizen is taken to the morgue.
      If the short-barrels are allowed, then crime will decrease (it’s not going anywhere), but then they will ask the police, the citizens armed themselves, fight back, crime has decreased, then you, gentlemen, what’s the point here? Maybe you can be driven out as those who could not cope without pensions, but long service, but take others in your place? Those who will drag the service, as expected? Our top officials of the Ministry of Internal Affairs are afraid of this. The law on legalization will be a whip for improving the work of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
    3. Ugrumiy
      Ugrumiy 17 September 2014 10: 48
      +1
      That's right, in the end they will adopt an adequate law on self-defense and simply shoot the increased crime.
    4. Constanta
      Constanta 17 September 2014 17: 38
      0
      Don’t worry, I’m also cons of cons with the same position. But such cons to me as an order.
      Meanwhile,
      It will be possible to trade sports and hunting knives without a license.

      Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/50285#ixzz3DZzo1DFa
  11. AlexSK
    AlexSK 16 September 2014 22: 14
    -5
    Strongly against. Himself from Krasnoyarsk, we had cases when some people go ... we shoot buses from injuries, how many showdowns with injuries are on the road, and if I don’t know what to give the gunshot to the population. I’m already scared when you watch or read such news, you understand that you and your child could be there, and if the population will have a firearm freely, I’m not sure that it will be used only in case of defense, and not some hot head. I think there are quite enough means for self-defense at the moment, except for firearms. I believe that firearms should only be in the hands of professionals in the people who are involved in this work.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 16 September 2014 22: 20
      +8
      .
      I think there are quite enough means for self-defense at the moment, except for firearms.


      For example, what ????

      Just name real means that can stop a hefty man in a drunken state ... who does not give a damn about your pepper spray or BLOW with an aerosol.
      1. AlexSK
        AlexSK 16 September 2014 22: 25
        -9
        For example, an electric shocker or the same injury. And also, as an option, not to be nauseous and it is desirable to engage in sports with some kind of combat boxing, SAMBO, ARB.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 16 September 2014 22: 32
          +6
          electric shocker or the same injury.


          Do not tell .... in wet weather you won’t use a shocker, you risk injuring yourself in an article by harming the attacker or others.

          As for SAMBO (I have a discharge since Soviet times), it’s good for a trained person it’s true (it helped me) .... but I'm talking about ordinary people not supermen.
          1. AlexSK
            AlexSK 16 September 2014 22: 41
            -6
            So, with a trauma, you run the risk of harm, but no firearm !? Where is the logic? In my opinion, it’s just the same with a firearm to do harm to people around us many times more. And about SAMBO, etc., almost all self-defense experts say that it is best to run away and not engage in a showdown at all.
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 16 September 2014 22: 50
              +2
              And I, as a non-expert, tell you that the chances of running into criminals sitting at home behind seven locks are zero smile

              Understand at last that what worries me is not the availability of weapons by someone, but the inability of our society to ensure the safety of an individual citizen of RUSSIA on the street, in the gateway, in vehicles and then on.

              And until there is a system in RUSSIA that automatically puts the offender in a cage
              talk about weapons will rise regularly.
              1. AlexSK
                AlexSK 16 September 2014 22: 59
                -4
                What is this system that automatically puts the offender in a cage !? And in which countries does it operate? Is it like in the Tom Cruise science fiction film Minority Report? Where were the people who knew in advance who, when and where would commit a crime !?
                1. Same lech
                  Same lech 16 September 2014 23: 14
                  +6
                  What a system, one that automatically puts an offender in a cage!


                  And you remember the Soviet precinct .... they knew every pig in the district, they knew who was doing what, who they were going to, what they were eating, when they were sorry ... they farted.

                  And it was not difficult for them to determine by time which thief had stolen his hat from Aunt FAITH .... THERE WAS SUCH TIME and I still remember him .... unfortunately all this is in the past.
                  1. Ugrumiy
                    Ugrumiy 17 September 2014 10: 51
                    -1
                    And also remember "Shchelokovshchina": fake cases, plan, concealment of crimes, etc.
                    1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
                      Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 18 September 2014 20: 36
                      +1
                      Ugrumiy - General of the army Shchelokov compared to the current ones - generally a saint! Which, by the way, really did at least something to improve the work of the police and increase salaries. You'd better remember Fedorchuk, who, with his hangers-on from the "party" bodies, dispersed the professionals. After these ... and there was a surge of all this negativity that you are talking about. We served, we know ...
                      1. Ugrumiy
                        Ugrumiy 19 September 2014 05: 16
                        0
                        I agree with you, but still his good deeds do not rehabilitate his negative actions. And about the weapons, that then, that now the criminals found a way to arm themselves and commit crimes, the state has always limited the possibilities of self-defense to law-abiding citizens, remember how many people were prosecuted for exceeding the limits of self-defense, which is what the USSR has now. Therefore, in my opinion, in our country the issue of legalizing weapons is more likely to lie on the political plane than on the law-enforcement plane. Officials are afraid of giving people the opportunity to acquire weapons, otherwise suddenly ...
              2. 23 region
                23 region 16 September 2014 23: 23
                +7
                Quote: The same LYOKHA
                And until there is a system in RUSSIA that automatically puts the offender in a cage, arms conversations will rise regularly.
            2. Horn
              Horn 17 September 2014 09: 25
              0
              That's when you and your wife are caught somewhere, run away, leaving her behind.
          2. the polar
            the polar 17 September 2014 07: 17
            +2
            If you are often beaten then this is not a reason to arm everyone to the teeth. You just need to pay attention to yourself, do self-education.
            1. Horn
              Horn 18 September 2014 11: 13
              +1
              If you told me, you didn’t try to beat me. They are stupidly scared, I guess. Yes, and probably do not want to die.
        2. 0603
          0603 16 September 2014 22: 38
          +12
          Against the armed and the more drunk, you can try to stand, most likely the standing will not be long. Boxing, wrestling is not bad, but it doesn't always help. Someone can stop it with a word, everything is individual. But when you know that that "drisch" has a barrel, even a drunk will think. In general, "a word and a pistol can achieve much more than just a word" (c)
          1. AlexSK
            AlexSK 16 September 2014 23: 07
            0
            Come on! A drunk will think !? Yes drunk on the drum. And in general this is a vicious circle drunk armed and you and what next? Have a shootout?
        3. Basarev
          Basarev 16 September 2014 22: 47
          +2
          You can still legally acquire Vepr-12. A 12-gauge salvo will deliberate anyone. There was also a gun named Drake-4 artillery caliber 23 mm. Only no one remembers what happened to him later. There is also a TOZ-123 monster shotgun, also 4 calibers, so it is still being produced.
          1. kergudu straight
            kergudu straight 16 September 2014 23: 02
            +2
            Quote: Basarev
            You can still legally acquire Vepr-12. A 12-gauge salvo will deliberate anyone. There was also a gun named Drake-4 artillery caliber 23 mm. Only no one remembers what happened to him later. There is also a TOZ-123 monster shotgun, also 4 calibers, so it is still being produced.

            It’s not an option, you won’t take such a fool with you to withdraw money at a bank ATM
        4. 23 region
          23 region 16 September 2014 23: 19
          +4
          Quote: AlexSK
          For example, an electric shocker or the same injury. And also, as an option, not to be nauseous and it is desirable to engage in sports with some kind of combat boxing, SAMBO, ARB.
        5. avia1991
          avia1991 17 September 2014 01: 48
          +3
          Quote: AlexSK
          combat boxing, SAMBO, ARB.

          How much will fit! And very healthy! Just do not forget: the attacker, most likely, can also possess hand-to-hand techniques.
          Quote: AlexSK
          some go ... we shoot on buses from the injury, how many showdowns on the road with injuries
          Traumatism is an affordable weapon, and here we are talking about verification, as for hunters. Here, the weapon control is different, and the requirements for the ins and outs of a potential user! Remember, how often on the roads scorching from hunting rifles? ..
          On the other hand, it has always been like this: if a person needs a firearm to commit a crime, he will always find an opportunity to acquire this weapon! A law-abiding person cannot, for the purpose of self-defense against such "shooters", acquire a pistol without breaking the law .. Where is the logic?
          1. AlexSK
            AlexSK 17 September 2014 11: 54
            -1
            Quote: avia1991
            Remember, how often on the roads scorching from hunting rifles? ..

            Well, no need to compare a hunting rifle and a gun. In general, the shores are different. The gun can be put in a pocket and carried freely and covertly, unlike a gun.
            Quote: avia1991
            And a law-abiding person cannot, for the purpose of self-defense against such "shooters", acquire a pistol without breaking the law .. Where is the logic?

            I don’t know how long I live, I have heard twice in my city that all times someone attacked with a firearm, mainly with knives and injuries, robberies, raids and showdowns take place. And you give me guarantees that these guns will not legally acquire inadequate? And just do not tell me about strict control. Given our realities, or rather the level of corruption and nepotism, it is very easy to arrange. And then a person may be able to show himself normal while passing the tests, and he will drink and demolish the tower.
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 19 September 2014 00: 57
              0
              Quote: AlexSK
              Given our realities, or rather the level of corruption and nepotism
              just inadequate comrades easily acquire weapons.
              Quote: AlexSK
              And you give me guarantees
              I am not the President to give guarantees of this kind. I can guarantee, however, that for my part I will strictly abide by the rules for the use of such weapons, and I will not allow them to be violated by those who try with me.
              Quote: AlexSK
              And just do not tell me about strict control.
              Well, why, actually? Control, and accounting, and education of the masses - but how else ?! It is necessary to educate the culture of using personal weapons - but this must be done in any case!
              Quote: AlexSK
              as long as I live, in my city for all the time I heard two times that someone is on someone attacked with a firearm
              I am very glad for you! You probably have a small town, and the very notion "HEARD" is the level of gossip. Make Aim: Look For Real Police Stats - You will be unpleasantly surprised! hi
        6. Alf
          Alf 17 September 2014 10: 11
          +3
          Quote: AlexSK
          For example, an electric shocker or the same injury. And also, as an option, not to be nauseous and it is desirable to engage in sports with some kind of combat boxing, SAMBO, ARB.

          Tell this 40-year-old woman or senior citizen.
          1. AlexSK
            AlexSK 17 September 2014 11: 57
            -3
            For a 40-year-old woman, there are a lot of means spray cans, shockers, injuries. And something I'm not sure that pensioners, having received a gun, will really secure themselves. You must also be able to handle him skillfully, quickly and competently.
            1. Victor Demchenko
              Victor Demchenko 19 September 2014 16: 51
              +1
              I am a pensioner, I am 63 and I will also teach you how to handle the barrel. and cleverly, and quickly, and competently. I’m still teaching boys how to play paintball competently.
        7. saygon66
          saygon66 18 September 2014 15: 10
          +2
          - Aha! And in court you will be asked, "Why did the defendant, being a master of sports in Belarus, not measure the degree of threat with the use of techniques and hitting the attacker?" We have a sporting category - an aggravating circumstance! smile
      2. Tyumen
        Tyumen 16 September 2014 22: 41
        -6
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Just name real means that can stop a hefty man in a drunken state ... who does not give a damn about your pepper spray or BLOW with an aerosol.

        KNIFE
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 16 September 2014 22: 53
          +1
          KNIFE


          A blade over 15 cm also runs the risk of getting an article for knives ....
          although people manage to take their own lives by the most exotic things ... like a car tire.
          1. Horn
            Horn 18 September 2014 18: 21
            0
            Edged weapons - this is not a blade length of more than 15 cm.
            http://spiculo.ru/lessons/chto-xolodnoe-oruzhie-a-chto-net.html
          2. Tyumen
            Tyumen 19 September 2014 06: 01
            +1
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            A blade over 15 cm also runs the risk of getting an article

            Not a blade, but a blade. And 15 cm to do with it, the law has a lot of points. For example, a machete is not XO, wear it to your health.
      3. Masterzserg
        Masterzserg 16 September 2014 22: 43
        -6
        Loshara and with a tank in the face will receive, train your will.
        1. BYV
          BYV 16 September 2014 23: 12
          +5
          Nobody knew, and you are Batman? Against scrap on the back of the head, or a group of strong ill-wishers, the will will not help much.
      4. Constanta
        Constanta 16 September 2014 23: 16
        -1
        You might think we have hefty drunken men rushing at passers-by, on every corner ... This man in that situation of yours will shoot the first from around the corner, and your gun will not help you anymore. God give you health and long years stop
      5. 23 region
        23 region 16 September 2014 23: 24
        0
        Quote: The same Lech
        .
        I think there are quite enough means for self-defense at the moment, except for firearms.


        For example, what ????

        Just name real means that can stop a hefty man in a drunken state ... who does not give a damn about your pepper spray or BLOW with an aerosol.
    2. avdkrd
      avdkrd 17 September 2014 00: 32
      +9
      Why compare shooting from injury and shooting that has not yet taken place from the RED Cut Short Barrel? Impunity and the impossibility of examining an injury just give rise to its careless use. With a legal short-barrel, these scumbags would never have thought of firing on buses. The first is an understanding of the possibility of finding the owner of the barrel, the second is an understanding of the lethality of weapons.
      1. PPL
        PPL 17 September 2014 09: 09
        -1
        Quote: avdkrd
        Why compare shooting from an injury and an unrealized shooting from an REDUCED short-bore? ...
        The first is an understanding of the possibility of finding the owner of the barrel, the second is an understanding of the lethality of weapons.

        The trouble is that most shoots without thinking ... fool
  12. erased
    erased 16 September 2014 22: 19
    +15
    Whoever is against a weapon does not buy it. And by the way - legal weapons in the showdown is not involved. How many long-barreled weapons on hand - but there are no showdowns in the style of pile on pile. Yes, and duels something is not visible. So are pistols with revolvers. They’ll even be worn, but no one needs to fight, as someone wrote an essay here.
    Only here the government is always afraid of protected courageous citizens. Why's that?..
  13. vsoltan
    vsoltan 16 September 2014 22: 21
    +4
    While the society is not ready ... the police must work like the police in the USSR ... remember, the cops did not carry any weapons at all. And it is necessary to refine the laws on self-defense ... then traumatism and smooth-bore hunting will be enough ...
  14. natasha_kuzneczova
    natasha_kuzneczova 16 September 2014 22: 24
    -3
    Is this custom longing to turn Russia into America? The lobby of the corrupt oligarchs in the State Duma has repeatedly pushed this filthy proposal.
  15. ratfly
    ratfly 16 September 2014 22: 24
    +12
    Do not confuse trauma and short-barrel, the responsibility is different! Why they shmish from trauma, because they internally understand - this is not serious crap. How many hunting rifles do we have in our country? And where are your "rivers of blood"? If personal short-barreled weapons are allowed under the same conditions, nothing will change.
  16. Punkt
    Punkt 16 September 2014 22: 25
    -10
    it's like giving a grenade to a monkey) vamerike, a weapon is a culture that goes on side with them for centuries, so to speak !!! - they constantly shoot !!!! but what we have !!! - and just don’t have to say what no one will start to shoot — if they beat people for injuries for a place on the roadway !!!! — traumatic trunks are enough — how many are crippled and killed !!! the law
    1. zcrb
      zcrb 16 September 2014 22: 37
      +16
      Yeah, everyone in AI is so smart, they know how to handle weapons from diapers, but in Russia it’s not clear who will give weapons to anyone, he will scamper about the streets and shoot in all directions. Personally, I am offended by your comparison of Russian citizens with monkeys.
    2. Darek
      Darek 16 September 2014 22: 54
      +14
      Quote: Punkt
      it's like giving a grenade to a monkey) vamerike, a weapon is a culture that goes on side with them for centuries, so to speak !!! - they constantly shoot !!!! but what we have !!! - and just don’t have to say what no one will start to shoot — if they beat people for injuries for a place on the roadway !!!! — traumatic trunks are enough — how many are crippled and killed !!! the law


      Are you comparing our people with monkeys? Interesting, but who are you yourself?
      And with something suddenly you saw a massive shootout? Do you personally start shooting for a place on the roadway? No? And why do you consider other freaks, but not yourself? And they trample from injuries because they know that shit is not serious and the real term, if not killed, of course, is not soldered.
    3. avia1991
      avia1991 21 September 2014 21: 16
      0
      Quote: Punkt
      Vamerike- a weapon is a culture which goes side by side with them so to speak

      OH YEAH! "Highly cultured" descendants of bandits, outcasts, "soldiers of Fortune", seekers of easy money - sooo worthy example to follow! Of course, who else to learn from? After all, they so "politely" destroyed the indigenous population, "culturally" shot, in the struggle for a place in the gold mines, most of their own relatives! .. IS THEM FROM THEM YOU SUGGEST TO TAKE AN EXAMPLE ?! !! Sorry - the other way hi
  17. Million
    Million 16 September 2014 22: 26
    -12
    Firebolt? In the city during the day if such self-defense begins. How many corpses can there be? Think. Innocent people can suffer
    1. Alf
      Alf 17 September 2014 10: 17
      +2
      Quote: Million
      Firebolt? In the city during the day if such self-defense begins. How many corpses can there be? Think. Innocent people can suffer

      Then in which case you also raise your hands, immediately give all the values ​​or become in the 5th position.
  18. shitovmg
    shitovmg 16 September 2014 22: 28
    +7
    And I’ve been living with legal weapons all my life, for me this question is not worth it! It’s time to refuse soon by age. I have never used it.
  19. zcrb
    zcrb 16 September 2014 22: 28
    +16
    I wonder why, as soon as the conversation about the legalization of short-barreled weapons comes, everyone begins to shout in chorus: "We are against the fact that the weapon would be SHARED." No one ever says that weapons would be handed out, supporters of legalization are talking about permission to store and carry short-barreled weapons. And obtaining such a permit must be carried out in accordance with applicable law. Moreover, many are of the opinion that the legislation regarding the issuance of weapons permits is being tightened. Well, for those who say that the country will drown in blood and children will shoot in all directions and at themselves from their parents' weapons, I advise you to familiarize yourself with the data on hunting weapons. Currently, the population has hundreds of thousands of legal barrels in its hands. And do they often shoot? And yes, in tsarist Russia almost any citizen could buy a revolver.
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  20. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 16 September 2014 22: 29
    -2
    The lobbyists, who can do it (on the pocket), want to turn Russia into brainless America, so that here, just a little - BULL in the forehead - a neighbor, relative, employee, classmate, etc.
    1. marauder555
      marauder555 16 September 2014 23: 21
      +6
      a bullet in the forehead of a robber and a lawless man ... it’s easier, less expenses for his maintenance in prison ... it’s one good for the state
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 17 September 2014 06: 05
        0
        This is in IDEAL, and the facts show that weapons are used without an obvious threat to life.
        In the 80s, the son of employees, a neighbor boy (12 years old), shot his wrist with a hunting rifle. Only the heroic work of the young surgeon saved the wrist. The boy underwent 5 operations in 1,5 years.
        When the neighbor was aiming, the victim said that at the last moment he darted to the side, this saved his life.
        Already in Moscow, a year ago, a schoolboy killed a teacher and a police officer.
        1. Horn
          Horn 18 September 2014 18: 28
          +1
          And do you know many such cases? Compare with the amount of weapons in the hands of hunters. Knives, axes, forks must be removed, since most crimes occur precisely with the use of kitchen and household utensils. And most importantly - a complete ban on car ownership! This is a weapon of mass destruction!
          It doesn’t shoot weapons. Shoots a man.
        2. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 19 September 2014 16: 58
          0
          for sure! and more recently, the court recognized this boy as schizophrenic! yes for this (shooting at school) his dad must be hanged for his genitals! again not a tactful example on your part, from the tricks of crazy NOBODY and nowhere uninsured! hi
      2. the polar
        the polar 17 September 2014 07: 32
        -4
        Something a lot of the topic came running, lobbying for the short barrel. Or maybe it's one under many nicknames?
  21. Dmitry Toderes
    Dmitry Toderes 16 September 2014 22: 29
    -4
    Well, if they legalize, then in some regions (where everything was relatively calm before), a sort of Ferguson 2.0 may well arise. People think with your head - you do not have enough trauma with rubber chestnuts - give you lead ones?
  22. Mother Theresa
    Mother Theresa 16 September 2014 22: 30
    +11
    A certain category of citizens have weapons to hell. One gentleman constantly carries a saiga in a big black car, and solves all problems with police officers on the spot with small bribes or connections. I have no money for bribes and no connections. That’s all equal rights before the law.
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 17 September 2014 06: 13
      +2
      But if you shoot in an extreme situation in this "master", then YOU you will be to blame, since YOU no money for bribes.
      Just the other day, there was a note stating that a man killed his wife'S VIOLENT, and at the time of the abuse of his wife, he was sentenced to 11,5 years ...
      Conclude: - the man, most likely, did not have money for bribes, so he received "justice" in full ...
  23. Ossetian
    Ossetian 16 September 2014 22: 30
    +16
    Quote: Barboskin
    Weapons are good, only I'm afraid our society is not ready for these weapons.

    What have you done to prepare society for the RIGHT to weapons? My daughter, from the age of 8, is with me at the shooting range, knows how to handle, and cannot cut her finger with a gun and knife when she peels potatoes or fish on a camping trip.
    It is necessary to cultivate the culture of weapons in the family, and not to raise them (weapons) into the category of an almost unattainable "dream for a maniac-murderer".
    Weapons can and should be able to use, and clearly know what it is intended for. Such concepts are laid at the stage of personality development, rabid prohibitions will not teach anything good.
  24. Million
    Million 16 September 2014 22: 31
    +1
    If the police will fulfill its direct duties, then the population does not need any weapons, except for hunting, of course.
    1. Horn
      Horn 18 September 2014 18: 30
      0
      Then the number of police officers must exceed the number of ordinary citizens, in order to put a police officer on each criminal. After all, the police also go on vacation.
  25. Oleg1968
    Oleg1968 16 September 2014 22: 31
    +14
    Good to everyone ......
    Do you think that the authors who consider the permission of "short-barreled" impermissible (and probably yourself) are stupider than Moldovans and Estonians? (they have pistols)
    During the possession of smooth trunks (16 years), I realized that the brain in relation to its weapons and unconditional full control over it and its safety (in all respects) only grows.
    Under the existing control system, there will be no problems with the "barrel" (99,9%) during its possession, and the weapon has been criminalized for a long time.
    PS And the level of robbery and property crimes will decrease (statistics for the same Moldova)
    PS2 ... Interface (2) RU Today, 22:14 PM ↑

    law enforcement agencies honestly disappointed me in terms of the inevitability of punishment for a criminal.


    To give out weapons to Russians is akin to the fact that you slippery slippery tiles rub on oil with shine to make it shine.

    The problem needs to be solved, and not accompanied by its aggravation, transferring the conflict to a more fierce stage of confrontation, distributing machine guns and grinders to the population.

    And the population has a lot of "shotguns", as you say, and it greatly oppresses you? You don't even know and don't see it :-)
  26. SlavaSSL
    SlavaSSL 16 September 2014 22: 32
    +23
    As long as you don’t respect yourself, no one will respect you either. You don’t listen to you and you can’t give kitchen knives, you’ll cut each other drunk. once again not to drink. So to say a healthy lifestyle. And in general, Moldovans can, Lithuanians can, Latvians, Estonians can also, but Russians can’t? I apologize for the emotional commentary, it just kills the understatement of Russian Russians.
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 16 September 2014 22: 39
      +10
      the justice system through the opa, who exceeded the protective measures are judged more strictly than those who attacked. You’ll kill a maniac with a knife, they’ll be quietly imprisoned for 5 years. In our country, a criminal often has more rights than an ordinary person.
  27. Friday
    Friday 16 September 2014 22: 32
    -6
    it’s impossible, period. our people are hot.
    someone's hands itch from a new market.
  28. Geyts
    Geyts 16 September 2014 22: 35
    +11
    The people of our country are creating nuclear weapons, and having a simple pistol is impossible just nonsense, only for !!!
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    1. arane
      arane 16 September 2014 22: 55
      +14
      absolutely right! very often people do not perceive trauma as a weapon, as a result, a corpse and snot "I didn't know, I didn't want to"
  30. RyazanVDV
    RyazanVDV 16 September 2014 22: 35
    0
    Quote: The same Lech
    .
    I think there are quite enough means for self-defense at the moment, except for firearms.


    For example, what ????

    Just name real means that can stop a hefty man in a drunken state ... who does not give a damn about your pepper spray or BLOW with an aerosol.

    In vain you are so pepper spray is quite an effective means of self-defense against tipsy fellow citizens, not to mention shockers. There is one very important BUT, citizens who purchase personal self-defense tools often put them in their purse or pocket, without even bothering to read the instructions for use, not to mention how to correctly use them in case of urgent need.
    Absolutely the same thing in the field of use of firearms, there is no culture of its storage / use. Why and why, and what needs to be changed in order to correct this situation is the tenth thing. It is important that unfortunately this is the case. Therefore, the legalization of the short-barrel is chaos, it is not regrettable to realize this. Well, our society is not ready for such reversals, alas!
  31. roman72-452
    roman72-452 16 September 2014 22: 35
    +3
    The main reason for lobbying short-barrels is that this is a huge business, count if every Russian buys a pistol, someone will not buy, and someone will buy two or three. An unpaved field for "Western partners".
    1. Alf
      Alf 17 September 2014 12: 35
      +2
      Quote: roman72-452
      The main reason for lobbying short-barrels is that this is a huge business, count if every Russian buys a pistol, someone will not buy, and someone will buy two or three. An unpaved field for "Western partners".

      And who said that for Western partners? Is it possible that Izhmash or Kalashnikov will get a new sales market?
  32. Ossetian
    Ossetian 16 September 2014 22: 36
    +8
    Quote: Ossetian
    At the same time in dogon: I am a staunch opponent of the so-called rubber shooters (gandonoplyuyev), as this under-equipment with a "non-lethal effect" often relaxes the owners who think about themselves (well, I won't kill them), which leads to rather sad consequences.
    IMHO: the weapon should be a weapon, whether it be a cop or a hunting smoothbore.
  33. unit
    unit 16 September 2014 22: 38
    +10
    it's time to ban injuries
  34. Masterzserg
    Masterzserg 16 September 2014 22: 38
    +1
    First, you need to stop eating vodka every day with beer, rely on the father of the "tsar" and at the same time blame him for all your troubles, bring your cigarette butt to the trash can, and it is better not to smoke at all, and then weapons can be legalized, even a grenade launcher. And if drunkards uncultured weapons to distribute with our corruption, then there will be chaos! Yes, in five to ten years, people will learn and begin to understand that there is another force against the force, but these 5-10 years will be marked by tens of thousands of innocent victims at the hands of idiots. Anyone who supports legalization is very sure that his makarych will protect his own daughter from the bullet of a drunken idiot? If you are sure that he is a cretin or a dull youngster. These 5-10 years of adaptation YOU will have to live, and not read the statistics from Europe. Here, for the revolution, as well as for legalization, many tore their T-shirts, but go to Donetsk, there is a revolution and legalization, everything is for you. Weapons are needed by weak-willed suckers to avenge school pendolas, they fiercely long for a pistol, only if the eggs are crumpled since childhood, then the gun will not help.
    1. zcrb
      zcrb 16 September 2014 22: 43
      +9
      Again a silly conversation about "handing out weapons." You first think about what they are talking about, and then comment. Nobody wants to give out anything. Officially issue permits after appropriate checks, training, etc. Many people from the officially registered hunting party were killed? Let's ban cars - every day hundreds die due to the fault of idiots who were given their rights and they rushed to put pressure on everyone on the roads
      1. Masterzserg
        Masterzserg 16 September 2014 22: 45
        -4
        Quote: zcrb
        Formally issue permits after appropriate checks, training, etc.
        - Do you have a right to drive?))) Now think! If not a youngster, but if stupid, then you won’t understand the leading question))
      2. Masterzserg
        Masterzserg 16 September 2014 22: 53
        -3
        Quote: zcrb
        Of the officially registered hunting lot of people killed?
        - is one enough or not? But not one was killed from the hunting one, and there is no free carry.
        Quote: zcrb
        Let's ban cars - every day hundreds die due to the fault of idiots who were forced upon rights and they rushed to crush everyone in a row on the roads
        - you see, you contradict yourself, the machine is not for murders and not even for self-defense, but how many people die! What can we say about a focused tool as a short-barreled weapon.
        1. zcrb
          zcrb 16 September 2014 23: 04
          +4
          Quote: Masterzserg
          And there is no free wearing

          Just the same permission is issued for storage and WEARING. There are transportation rules, but you can wear it.
          1. Masterzserg
            Masterzserg 16 September 2014 23: 08
            -7
            Quote: zcrb
            There are transportation rules, but you can wear it.
            - here you do not have a hunting rifle, no, here you are the bazaar that you read this very minute and carry eggs like a chicken. I’m pretty red. In the hunting season, you still have to take him. What are you talking about?
            1. zcrb
              zcrb 16 September 2014 23: 35
              +8
              Quote: Masterzserg
              you don’t have a hunting rifle, no, you’re bazaar reading that minute and carrying eggs like a chicken.

              You and I did not drink at brotherhood, no matter what you "poke" me. This is the first thing. I have a weapon, officially, according to all the rules - this is the second thing. This conversation is leading to the fact that in your previous post you stated that there is no free carrying of hunting weapons, but in fact you can carry them, observing certain rules prescribed by the law. And don't be rude, kid!
              1. Masterzserg
                Masterzserg 16 September 2014 23: 44
                -10
                Quote: zcrb
                that there is no free carrying of hunting weapons, but in fact it can be worn, observing certain rules prescribed by law. And don’t be rude, lad!
                - I really hate stupidity. FREE wearing and "certain rules", in your words, are different things, dear, so important that they are very different))) Do you understand? And you have no weapons. Otherwise, you would understand such a simple thing that with a gun, even a very compact one, under a jacket, you will not take the subway)) Did you understand the difference about free and not free carrying?)))
        2. zcrb
          zcrb 16 September 2014 23: 06
          +4
          Quote: Masterzserg
          the car is not for killing, and not even for self-defense, but how many people die

          A knife - it is for killing and for self-defense, moreover, any, from pen and ending with combat (we also need permission for such). Will we ban all knives?
          1. Masterzserg
            Masterzserg 16 September 2014 23: 12
            -5
            Quote: zcrb
            Will we ban all knives?
            - Logic. A very necessary thing in the life of a modern person! And again, from experience I’ll say that you don’t, you can run away from a knife, even if you have three knives in your pocket of different lengths, it’s better to run away from ka, but I didn’t run from a gun, thank God and I don’t advise you, very dumb run from the gun. He can catch up. And more than once.
        3. Horn
          Horn 18 September 2014 18: 34
          0
          This is just a substitution of concepts. The murder weapon may be a car or a plastic bag. Weapons are not made for the sake of killing.
    2. Darek
      Darek 16 September 2014 23: 12
      +4
      You do not need to distribute your own complexes to everyone else.
      Well, it was difficult for you at school ... Well, what can you do.

      Quote: Masterzserg
      And if the drunkards give away weapons to our culture with corruption, then there will be chaos!


      But this is strong! Drunks are uncultured with our corruption! Thing! I like it.
      1. Masterzserg
        Masterzserg 16 September 2014 23: 25
        -4
        Quote: Darek
        You do not need to distribute your own complexes to everyone else.
        - how not to? Will he call me? That school grievances will prevail, and I’ll take an innocent citizen in the back of the head for the whole x ... and then it turns out that he was all hung up with rings and 20 kg in his suitcase! Tell me they won’t give me a weapon? And I’ll solve this issue while I’ll smash it and I’ll decide for sure!

        Well, I am not against weapons, the death penalty and even euthanasia, but society must grow to this. Some Internet fighters will say, they say, so that society grows, you need to give them something to grow up to. And I will answer: if I’m ready to lay down my life and the life of loved ones for my worldview, I respect you, but if you live in a virtual game and it seems to pass by you, he’s just a fool. In the same Ukraine, the revolution was started for good and a better life, and maybe they will have it, I don’t know, but when solving such radical questions, don’t hope that you personally won’t be hurt, Will! You need to think and not smile into the monitor and tear your shirt in the holes for ideals about which you have no idea.
  35. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 16 September 2014 22: 42
    +9
    I want Glock 18! + would take AK107 good I’m a hunter with 17 years of experience, I have 4 units 410k 12k and 7.62-51 and regarding the legalization of weapons FOR!

    Not scary without a weapon - a toothy barracuda,
    Big and without weapons - big, to console us -
    And small people are not people without weapons:
    All small people without weapons are targets.
    1. Peacemaker of the USSR
      Peacemaker of the USSR 17 September 2014 14: 36
      -2
      ... the forest dwellers all shot,
      decided to take up urban laughing
  36. Ossetian
    Ossetian 16 September 2014 22: 43
    +3
    Quote: Million
    If the police will fulfill its direct duties, then the population does not need any weapons, except for hunting, of course.

    Well, yes, according to the proverb: "It is not appropriate to impose on the Lord God what a good police can handle"
    Only if you have a right to a weapon or not, it depends on what society we and our children will live in.
  37. tokens2
    tokens2 16 September 2014 22: 47
    +2
    The non-recognition of the right of the Russian people to have weapons is an attempt to hide the flaws in domestic politics and the impending external threats.
    And who is opposed mainly? Yes, the Communists. Paradox.
  38. Ossetian
    Ossetian 16 September 2014 22: 47
    +3
    Quote: Siberia 9444
    I want Glock 18! + would take AK107 good

    GSh18 is enough for me laughing
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 16 September 2014 23: 01
      +4
      GSH18 is strong but Glock 18 has automatic fire + an enlarged magazine. thing! hi
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 19 September 2014 17: 08
        0
        so take Stechkin under the Parabellum cartridge! Yes, even under PMSky it’s even nothing!
  39. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 16 September 2014 22: 50
    +10
    This is a very difficult question. With wearing. But storage - I'm only "for". To protect your home and family.
    This is for a start - because I would very much like to finally clarify the concept of "self-defense", otherwise it turns out that the criminal is our gentle and untouchable face.
    And one more thing - in Russia until the 1917 year, any law-abiding citizen could acquire a short-barreled firearm and this did not in any way provoke an increase in crime. And in ancient Rome, carrying weapons was the norm. Only slaves had no weapons.
    1. tomket
      tomket 16 September 2014 23: 19
      -7
      In England, for example, there is no carrying weapons, and what, are there slaves?
      1. marauder555
        marauder555 16 September 2014 23: 29
        +1
        Well, here we come to a very interesting point, --- in England, as everywhere or almost everywhere, slaves !!!
      2. 23 region
        23 region 16 September 2014 23: 35
        +9
        Quote: tomket
        In England, for example, there is no carrying weapons, and what, are there slaves?

        After the ban on carrying weapons, the crime curve floated up. Here you have England
        1. Masterzserg
          Masterzserg 17 September 2014 00: 00
          -3
          I’ll draw you schedules about everything like that, in France there was a similar schedule, before the Åland elections, such as the more homosexuals the less crime and the city is calmer)))
  40. Ossetian
    Ossetian 16 September 2014 22: 51
    +7
    Quote: Masterzserg
    Weapons need limbs weak-willed, in order to avenge the school pendol, they fiercely crave a pistol, only if the eggs are crumpled from childhood, then the gun will not help.

    Shaw, did you fall at school? Do you write with yourself? Or just a point? Pichalka ...
    Judge not lest ye be judged.
    1. Masterzserg
      Masterzserg 16 September 2014 23: 03
      -7
      Quote: Ossetian
      Shaw, did you fall at school?
      - it fell, it was painful, it grew in the 90s, and it happened at the porch that you ran into a car, you were 16 years old, you put a snout at one another, and you ran away! And if they had weapons with their intentions? I’m not in control of the strike so that I can take advantage with the makarich and aim, shoot at the back of the head and lie with your legalized ones, defend yourself)) I got it because I know, and you sit on the monitor and you’re running around for bread, that's why you are greyhound. Aki Hari would have been cleaned up once, since peace would have become kinder. Go to the fight club, and there you will cool off to this kind of defense)))
      1. Constanta
        Constanta 17 September 2014 17: 53
        0
        By the way,
        Barack Obama: In the US, it is necessary to limit the sale of weapons

        Original article of September 17, 2014:
        http://russian.rt.com/article/50263#ixzz3Da1ZN2DG

        ... As part of the fight against so-called armed violence, Obama offers a number of measures designed to limit the possession of firearms, reports The Washington Post. The bill provides for a large-scale and detailed verification of the identity and past of any citizen who wishes to acquire weapons. Thus, it is supposed to exclude the falling of arms into the hands of people with mental disabilities.

        Serious processing, according to Obama, requires legislation governing the sale of weapons. It is necessary to close the "holes", allowing those who have passed all the checks to resell pistols and rifles to those who could not legally obtain the right to purchase them.


        As I understand it, "ate" ...
    2. Masterzserg
      Masterzserg 17 September 2014 07: 41
      -4
      Loshars crave a pistol) It smacks of impotence)))) Minus-minus, with their short arms, and I’ll break you with a pistol)))
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    1. the villain
      the villain 17 September 2014 00: 04
      +5
      Quote: Amper
      it would be better: -to ban the carrying, storage of weapons and ammunition to everyone, with the exception of law enforcement agencies.
  42. arane
    arane 16 September 2014 22: 54
    +7
    lBefore allowing a lethal weapon, it is necessary to clean up at least the injury! In fact, literally following the law you cannot protect yourself, but only exacerbate the situation! The law overwhelmingly protects criminals! Just read the law on weapons and imagine yourself in a situation of threat (but what the threat is, an important legal moment). In short. The concept of necessary defense is utter idiocy based on subjective factors!
    For example: if three Schwarzeneggers come up to you and say, "Come on, clothes, boots and a motorcycle," and you fill them up from an injury with a sniper shot to the temple, you will be jailed for exceeding self-defense, because they did not have pistols in their hands!
    The problem is that according to the law, the state has a monopoly on the protection of citizens! Citizens have extremely limited independent rights to protect their life and property!
    1. zcrb
      zcrb 16 September 2014 23: 00
      +7
      And here I strongly agree! Unfortunately, the legislation in terms of self-defense is not very developed in our country. You will be saddled to prove that you threw a gangster because he attacked you with a hammer, and not because he wanted to help in hammering nails. Yes, and exceeded the limits of self-defense. They attacked with a hammer - find the same and defend yourself. Alas!
      1. Constanta
        Constanta 17 September 2014 18: 04
        0
        That's right, but where were our laws fully worked out? And at first, we will lobby this discussed law, quickly introduce it, because, as I understand it, a man with a weapon is cool ... But ... think about your loved ones. After all, you are not always with them with the coveted gun.
  43. RyazanVDV
    RyazanVDV 16 September 2014 22: 58
    +2
    Comparison of hunting weapons, which is full on hand, and a short-barrel, in my opinion, is incorrect. Nobody will wander around the city with a saiga over his shoulder, but always with a PM * ohm behind a belt.
    1. zcrb
      zcrb 16 September 2014 23: 02
      +2
      If you want to carry Saiga or Boar under the hollow, you can through the whole city - and no one will even think anything bad.
  44. Serbor
    Serbor 16 September 2014 23: 00
    +12
    I will repeat myself. The state stubbornly resists the law on weapons because it is afraid of its own citizens. It is clear that a law-abiding citizen will not take a barrel and will not go to put his neighbors in the sleeping area "on the gop-stop". At the same time, gopniks have the opportunity to acquire a "left! Barrel, and therefore they have an advantage a priori. If you are" good ", then you do not have the right to a weapon. And if a law-abiding citizen has the right to a weapon, then the situation will change dramatically. street crime has decreased by 2 !!! times after the adoption of the law on civilian weapons. And the government is afraid that citizens who have already gotten all, can anoint Chubais and Serdyukov's forehead with green paint. Do you seriously think that the state cares about the lives of your loved ones Yes s.r.o.t. it wanted on you. Diluted demagoguery. I need a weapon to protect myself and my loved ones. And if I have to use it, then I will answer as expected.
    1. Dinko
      Dinko 17 September 2014 06: 42
      +2
      The state, on the one hand, has banned everything that it pleases, and on the other hand, it cannot cope with its duties in terms of protecting citizens. This is a paradox.
  45. Amper
    Amper 16 September 2014 23: 00
    -12
    Strongly against.
    This law is needed:
    arms sellers
    to bandits and scumbags
    - officials for bribes for pushing the law
    - the powers that be for the shooting on the path of those who got up, they still will not be anything.

    better be:
    -to prohibit the carrying, storage of weapons and ammunition to everyone, with the exception of law enforcement agencies.
    - 20 years for wearing, 25 years for use, 25 years for trade and manufacturing, 15 years for storage, life-time for use with aggravating consequences
    - prohibit the movement of weapons and ammunition accidentally discovered, otherwise see above. (call and inform the authorities that you saw, do not touch under any circumstances! otherwise see above)

    The weapon in the hands of a Russian .. This is death, not always easy. We do it first, then think.
    Complete demilitarization. You can leave only gas, probably ..
  46. karachun
    karachun 16 September 2014 23: 03
    -7
    against clearly our people can’t have firearms from injuries and pneuma, and so they plant each other well
  47. Same lech
    Same lech 16 September 2014 23: 06
    +5
    The concept of necessary defense is utter idiocy based on subjective factors!


    So I’m all about the same ... and when I have to decide to lose my life or take the life of a criminal who is forgiving me, I certainly prefer to stay alive, even at the cost of breaking the law. Alas, OUR REALITY.
  48. Darek
    Darek 16 September 2014 23: 08
    +12
    I don’t understand! It seems to be adults, but hysteria, as if skia splashed in his underwear!
    Who told you all (almost everyone) that someone will shoot someone ???? Is everything normal with the head?
    I have friends in Moldova and the Baltics. Sometimes I go to them. The short-barrels are on sale both there and there. So what? Are aliens living in these former republics of the USSR? No. The same former Soviet people, as elsewhere in our country. Why did they not shoot each other en masse? But they did not have any "weapons culture", as there was no such thing anywhere on the territory of the Union. But, where are you, appeared! And shooting associations create, and weapon clubs "by interests", and family vacations at the shooting range have long been a good tradition for many. But the number of grave crimes against the person with the permission of weapons has decreased significantly. Why do you, gentlemen protesters, put your own people below the Moldovans and the Balts? Not ashamed?
  49. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 16 September 2014 23: 08
    +11
    BETTER OLD TT, THAN JUDO AND KARATE!
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 19 September 2014 17: 15
      +1
      my favorite totoshka! trouble-free thing, especially the one that was done for the NKVD, its trunk is longer!
  50. Drunya
    Drunya 16 September 2014 23: 11
    +5
    16.09.2014 - 21: 23

    The ex-Minister of Defense of the Donetsk People’s Republic Igor Strelkov reported that, under the guise of a ceasefire, 24 tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine entered the territory of the Donetsk airport this afternoon.

    “Under the guise of a ceasefire and due to the fact that the militia was categorically forbidden to open fire, 24 tanks of the Armed Forces entered the territory of the Donetsk airport this afternoon.”

    Well-known analyst militia Prokhorov commented on Igor Strelkov’s information:

    “Well - that's right. I talked about this. After September 5, Ukrainians increased their group at the airport three times (including armored vehicles). ”
    At the airport: the old building outside is a stall, and on the ground is a city, with bomb shelters, ventilation, water filtration and tunnels - right up to Avdeevka (20km). Built on the occasion of a nuclear war. Because it’s so hard to take.