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How to shoot Grad and Hurricane multiple launch rocket systems

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What is the army? For those who know it only from American films, this is a commando who performs the task in the jungles of Vietnam. For those who served - this is my mother, for recruits - the sword of Damocles. For the state - the guarantor of security and security itself. For me, the army all my life was a snow-white Tu-95 aircraft, snarling deafly at dawn over the horizon.

In March, during a trip to Belarus, we were able to visit artillery firing, where Hurricanes and BelGradas fired volley fire systems at targets.

How to shoot Grad and Hurricane multiple launch rocket systems


Jet system of volley fire "Hurricane"

The 9P140 combat vehicle is made on the chassis of a four-wheel all-terrain vehicle ZIL-135ЛМ (wheel formula 8 × 8). The artillery unit consists of a package of sixteen tubular guides, a swivel base with guidance mechanisms and sights, as well as electrical and hydraulic equipment.



2. Calculation of the combat vehicle - 6 man (in peacetime - 4): BM commander, gunner (senior gunner), driver, number of calculation (3 people). When driving on a highway at full load, the car accelerates to 65 km / h, the range of fuel is 570 km. The capacity of the main fuel tank is 300 l, there are two additional 100 l. Without preliminary preparation overcomes fords with a depth of 1,2 m.



3. Firing range
Minimum, m - 8 000
Maximum, m - 35 000
Area of ​​damage, sq. M - 426 000
This time, the planned shooting at a distance of 8,5 kilometers, half a pack - 8 missiles.



4. I was allowed to climb and face death. Friends, I will tell you that the projectiles protruding from the guides look very creepy ... A cluster projectile, that is, it will separate in the air, which allows you to cover a large area. One such disc covers several football fields ...



5. By the method of exclusion, I came to the conclusion that the Hurricane was charged with a 9М27К rocket projectile with a cluster warhead with fragmentation combat elements. Designed to defeat manpower and unarmored vehicles in the places of their concentration. Mass: projectile - 271 kg, combat element - 1,85 kg, explosive BE - 0,3 kg. Length - 5178 mm. Firing range: maximum - 35 km, minimum - 7,5 km.



6. I didn’t want to get close to such an installation. When the familiar “333” team sounded and the Hurricane suddenly began to spit fire, I really wanted to dig into the fertile land of the Belarusian fields. Deeper. Guys, I was impressed for another week. This is pure horror. No, not pure, it is a wild mixture of horror and admiration. A hundred meters from the volley the air moved. There was a roar of shells that flew from the guides with wild speed. We, like turtles, hid our heads in the shoulders and pressed the cameras tightly to our faces.



7. The deafening roar of the shells was hypnotized. At that moment I envied the fighter who pressed the button (pulling the lever, I don’t know what was there).



8. Polpaket flew almost instantly, but for some reason these seconds seemed very long. This is a damn awesome, frightening and fascinating sight. For a long time I tried to describe in words and sounds what a “Hurricane” volley is, but I could not make anything except wild sounds))



9. Here they are - shells fly to the goal. After a few moments, they could be heard falling to the ground. Never, for anything in the world, I would not want to be in this place.



The volley fire system "Grad"

10. Slightly stunned, we move again, now to BelGradam. Well, we are already grated guys, we all saw, we all know)



11. BelGrad is an analogue of Grad, but based on MAZ. The fact is that the MAZ-6317 has almost twice the length of the cargo platform as compared to the “Ural-375D” (6250 and 3900 mm, respectively). This allowed the installation of 40 rocket projectiles between the cockpit and artillery part ( 80 shells), reload the launcher without using a transport-loading machine and thus reduce the preparation time for the second salvo.



12. Near each calculation a trench was dug, where we immediately dived. The fighter bewildered looks at the invasion of unknowns)



13. And they seemed to see the launch of the Hurricane, but at that distance - about 20 meters - I still wanted to dig in the sand. And here all installations fired. The buzz was incredible!



14. This is how the first half day passed in the Belarusian army. It was powerful. Incredible. Fearfully. In moments of start-up terribly jealous clicking on the button. The only addition - let it all weapon will be used only on exercises. I am sure that together we will live in peace if we make a little effort.



15. See also “Rest in Peace: Abandoned Military Objects” and “Aircraft Carrier George Bush”.

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  1. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 10 September 2014 09: 35
    +13
    It would be interesting to see the photo from the place where they worked.
    1. mintai_kot
      mintai_kot 10 September 2014 09: 55
      +25
      Come to Debaltsevo! For two days, "Hurricanes" and "Tornadoes" worked for us (hailstones are apparently not relevant anymore) All with cassette filling! Result - 30 houses are completely destroyed Someone did not consider partially destroyed how the dill suffered, we are not told
      1. Denis Skiff
        Denis Skiff 10 September 2014 12: 05
        +4
        People, and how do you like your flag? Under which the children of old men and women were killed! Do not press? How many hands in hail under this flag were raised. Zhovto blakidny = fascist! Yes, and star-striped for a long time with yours and fascist in the same row.
        1. Manul
          Manul 10 September 2014 15: 01
          +5
          Quote: Denis-Skiff
          People, and how do you like your flag? Under which the children of old men and women were killed! Do not press? How many hands in hail under this flag were raised. Zhovto blakidny = fascist! Yes, and star-striped for a long time with yours and fascist in the same row.

          But what should a man do if he is from there? Or is there already an opportunity to put the flag of Novorossia at VO?
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 10 September 2014 15: 59
            +3
            he probably meant the flag as a state symbol in general, and not just on the site. Yes, and why so much attention should be paid to the proxy under which anyone is here
            1. crazyrom
              crazyrom 11 September 2014 05: 26
              0
              please explain who knows: why such a big chassis for the hurricane, so many wheels, because the block of missiles seems to be small, it feels like the missiles rely only on the last wheels and the middle axes seem to be completely idle ... or it could be done instead of 16 say 24 , or something ... and hail so in appearance can generally be put on an SUV ...
              1. anomalocaris
                anomalocaris 11 September 2014 15: 59
                0
                We count. The mass of the projectile is about 300 kg. There are 16 pieces, total: 4800 kg. The mass of the launcher, with all associated machinery, is also no less than 5 kg. Accordingly, we obtain a total of about 000 tons. Further, this machine should drive off-road and at a very decent speed, as well as withstand shooting without special frame vibrations. Accordingly, we obtain the total weight of the machine of about 10 tons.
          2. The comment was deleted.
        2. serohim
          serohim 10 September 2014 18: 26
          +6
          and you comrade apparently how it acts like a red rag on a bull. Do not be fooled. It is not the flag that matters, but the brains of men.
        3. psiho117
          psiho117 12 September 2014 19: 33
          0
          Quote: Denis-Skiff
          People, and how do you like your flag? Under which the children of old men and women were killed! Do not press?


          Well, for example, I have a checkmark "born in the USSR", but at the same time in half of the posts, this gift to the Cossacks from the King of Sweden still gets out.
    2. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 10 September 2014 19: 12
      +3
      Quote: Fibrizio
      It would be interesting to see the photo from the place where they worked.

      This place is located in a dense swampy forest in the south of Belarus, fifty meters so fifty from the border with Ukraine
  2. erased
    erased 10 September 2014 09: 40
    +3
    I don’t know if Belarusians have Tornadoes, but the picture there is even more impressive. It’s a pity, in range these cars are not very. The tornado seems to have been upgraded to 120 km. And the Chinese have their MLRS beat for 300 km.
    1. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 10 September 2014 09: 54
      +5
      Quote: erased
      . And the Chinese have their MLRS beat for 300 km.
      - what caliber? And a link if you can! hi
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 10 September 2014 10: 18
        +5
        WS-2D. Only it seems to have not yet been put into service. And not 300 but 400 km. ultimate range. High dispersion, due to the fact that the missile correction system in flight does not cope with its task.
        1. Dazdranagon
          Dazdranagon 10 September 2014 10: 50
          +4
          Quote: Spade
          High dispersion, due to the fact that the missile correction system in flight does not cope with its task.
          - here I am talking about the same - at such distances the MLRS is somehow silly to use ... The cost of missiles and dispersal make them not very promising ... Therefore, China has no weapons, better than ours.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 10 September 2014 11: 31
            +3
            Quote: Dazdranagon
            Therefore, China has no weapons, better than ours.

            I would not be so categorical. For example, they have a meteorological radar for each MLRS battery in the state. And ours still use an ancient wind gun to determine corrections for the active section of the trajectory.

            Although the Russian military-industrial complex offers the army such things as the meteorological complex 1B67 "Mechanism" for probeless determination of atmospheric parameters

            Meteocomplex 1B67
      2. andj61
        andj61 10 September 2014 10: 30
        +4
        There is a wiki.
        Ws-Xnumx Developed by the Chinese state corporation Sichuan Aerospace Industry Corporation (SCAIC) whose headquarters is located in Chengdu, Sichuan. The missile's likely missile deflection is significantly reduced compared to the WS-3. The missile can be equipped with various warheads weighing up to 3 kg, including a high-explosive, cluster with 400 small-caliber combat elements, volumetric explosion.
        Features
        Caliber: 400 mm
        Missile length: 7,302 m
        Speed: 5,6 Mach [1]
        Missile weight: 1285 kg
        Warhead weight: 200 kg
        Minimum firing range: 70 km
        Maximum firing range: 200 km
        Control system: ANN with GPS correction
        Control surfaces: stabilizers and aerodynamic rudders
        Accuracy (KVO): 300 m (inertial mode) and 50 m (when combined with GPS)

        And here's another:
        The latest representative of the Weishi family is the WS-2 MLRS. Once again, the size of the rocket increased, in particular, the caliber grew to 400 millimeters. The range of the new missiles increased to 200 kilometers. In addition, further developments of WS-2C and WS-2D, according to reports, imply equipping the missiles with a GPS navigation system, which allows shelling targets at distances of 350 and 400 kilometers. There are also rumors about the development of MLRS WS-3 with even greater indicators of firing range. Http://forum.guns.ru/forum_light_message/151/655584-m27156215.html
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r 10 September 2014 14: 19
          +2
          The latest representative of the Weishi family is the WS-2 MLRS. Once again, the size of the rocket increased, in particular, the caliber grew to 400 millimeters. The range of the new missiles increased to 200 kilometers. In addition, further developments of WS-2C and WS-2D, according to reports, imply equipping the missiles with a GPS navigation system, which allows shelling targets at distances of 350 and 400 kilometers. There are also rumors about the development of MLRS WS-3 with even greater indicators of firing range. Http://forum.guns.ru/forum_light_message/151/655584-m27156215.html


          If I’m not mistaken, then there are 3 pieces in the package, actually a guided missile, hence where is the price-quality ratio?
          1. anomalocaris
            anomalocaris 11 September 2014 16: 07
            0
            with GPS correction

            Forget about these missiles. In the event of a serious mess, GPS will work only for the American army and then not for long.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 10 September 2014 10: 04
      +2
      Quote: erased
      I don’t know if Belarusians have Tornadoes

      Is.
      Quote: erased
      And the Chinese have their MLRS beat for 300 km.

      We do not need this.
      1. erased
        erased 10 September 2014 10: 29
        +1
        We do not need this.

        Did you decide that?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 10 September 2014 10: 46
          +9
          What's the point of chasing range at the expense of efficiency? At such ranges, the dispersion is too great, so it is necessary to turn the RS into full-fledged guided ammunition. Which, by default, lose to such things as Iskander
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 10 September 2014 12: 50
            +8
            These are controversial issues.
            1. Iskander with YaB turns into a terrible weapon without a doubt.
            Without it, it is equivalent to one large aerial bomb. Which
            the bomber will dump a couple of dozen at a time. And, note, this is -
            accurate bombs, each will go its own way - exactly the same
            like Iskander rockets.
            2.RS are now being reworked in UR without much difficulty. Every rocket
            will be 10 times more expensive, but accuracy will increase 10 times.
            I believe that increasing the firing range without increasing
            power of the warhead (i.e., without increasing the diameter of the rocket),
            plus the supply of GOS missiles is the right way.

            Imagine: on the one hand the Gradov division with a range
            20 km, on the other hand - just one modernized car
            hailstones (warhead of the same power as the enemy)
            with a range of 40 km and equipped with SD. Who do you think? winked
            1. Dazdranagon
              Dazdranagon 10 September 2014 12: 55
              +2
              [quote = voyaka uh] Without it, it is equivalent to one large aerial bomb [/ quote] - not really. The Iskander missile is super-maneuverable! hi
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 10 September 2014 13: 30
                +2
                In-in and the bomb still need to fly to the place of the bomb drop. Well, by the way, Jews didn’t encounter S-300 and beeches, so such stories are forgivable to them.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 10 September 2014 14: 45
                  +2
                  Faced, and very painful for themselves. sad
                  Therefore, we came up with a lot of tricks, such as powerful missile defenses wink .
              2. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 10 September 2014 14: 54
                +3
                BR cannot, by definition, be super-maneuverable. Otherwise -
                this is a cruise missile. In particular, Iskander can maneuver
                on the final section of the trajectory. And the interception (although the interception of the BR is difficult
                technical task) is carried out on average - purely ballistic
                plot.
                I repeat: Iskander with YAB is very dangerous. Without..? look: in
                Ukraine army has already released a dozen BR Point. They fired some
                the effect? - No...
                1. Pilat2009
                  Pilat2009 10 September 2014 16: 56
                  +5
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Ukraine army has already released a dozen BR Point. They fired some
                  the effect? - No...

                  How do you know what the destruction came from — barrel artillery, hail or point? Yes, and the point’s resource has long run out
                  Compare two rockets with a 20 year development difference?
                  You still Scud remember
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  In particular, Iskander can maneuver
                  in the final section of the trajectory

                  The missile conducts intensive maneuvering with overloads of the order of 20-30 units in the initial and final phases of flight
                  The trajectory is quasi-ballistic (non-ballistic, maneuvering), the missile is controlled throughout the flight using aerodynamic and gas-dynamic rudders
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Which
                  the bomber will dump a couple of dozen at a time

                  Which bomber, let me ask, and at what distance?
                  1. slavbag
                    slavbag 11 September 2014 09: 12
                    +1
                    But what about the laws of physics?
                    The missile conducts intensive maneuvering with overloads of the order of 20-30 units in the initial and final phases of flight
                    The trajectory is quasi-ballistic (non-ballistic, maneuvering), the missile is controlled throughout the flight using aerodynamic and gas-dynamic rudders

                    Can one explain how and why maneuvering in the initial part of the flight?
                    1. Pilat2009
                      Pilat2009 11 September 2014 18: 37
                      0
                      Quote: slavbag
                      Can one explain how and why maneuvering in the initial part of the flight?

                      Just in case, apparently. Just provided
                2. _CAMOBAP_
                  _CAMOBAP_ 10 September 2014 22: 09
                  +2
                  As for the "Points" - to start up as they allowed, of course, there will be no sense. Here at least launch "Tochka", even "Iskander", even "Ax" ... All the more so as there are great doubts that these "Points" were properly stored and underwent the necessary maintenance. (The infa passed that even with normal topographic maps the troops cannot provide, what launches are there ..) I had an ATGM twice a year through the KPM, but "Tochka" will still be more complicated. And the preparation of the calculations is hardly proper given the mess that was going on in the Ukrainian army all the time of independence.
                3. ruslan207
                  ruslan207 10 September 2014 22: 58
                  +2
                  voyaka uh -At the end of the trajectory, it just doesn’t maneuver and fly right on target, read the tetrahedron on the website
                4. slavbag
                  slavbag 11 September 2014 09: 09
                  +1
                  But right, it's strange that no one wrote about it. We used the "Point". And nothing compared to the Grad shelling.
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 10 September 2014 14: 01
              +3
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Without it, it is equivalent to one large aerial bomb

              Why alone? And if a cassette warhead is installed with 45 self-aiming submunitions?

              Quote: voyaka uh
              Which the bomber will dump a couple of dozen at a time.

              Bomber is much easier to shoot down. Moreover, he has more reaction time.

              Quote: voyaka uh
              RS are now being reworked in the UR without much difficulty.

              At the same time, there is not a single such "easily converted" missile in the world. Everything, incl. and Israel are forced to build new missiles from scratch. And all their connection with MLRS lies only in the fact that they use to launch its BM

              Quote: voyaka uh
              I believe that increasing the firing range without increasing
              power of the warhead (i.e., without increasing the diameter of the rocket),
              plus the supply of GOS missiles is the right way.

              There is such a thing as weight. It interferes with going along this "right path"


              Quote: voyaka uh
              just one machine upgraded
              hailstones (warhead of the same power as the enemy)
              with a range of 40 km and equipped with SD. Who do you think?

              It is fantastic. Because the weight. But at the same time I am him. But he is not me.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 10 September 2014 14: 42
                0
                Something I do not understand you ... "Grad" is now called
                class missiles with a diameter of 122 mm.
                The increase in range (with the same warhead mass) is achieved by increasing
                the length of the rocket ("motor"). Not endlessly, but from 20 to 40 km - no problem.
                Alteration in the SD is achieved by inserting a module that includes: a battery,
                electronics box, wings for maneuvering, and infrared seeker.
                All this is planted in front of the warhead.
                The increase in total mass is compensated by a more powerful chassis of the machine and more
                rigid guides.

                I didn’t understand how with the artillery firing at 20 km, you expect to get
                40 km artillery? Whose hand is longer, they win.
                Just let’s do without other types of weapons ... By default, each side has them.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 10 September 2014 16: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  The increase in range (with the same warhead mass) is achieved by increasing
                  the length of the rocket ("motor").

                  And they will stick out of the "pipe"? As an option, it is possible. If you shoot inert.


                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Alteration in the SD is achieved by inserting a module that includes: a battery,
                  electronics box, wings for maneuvering, and infrared seeker.
                  All this is planted in front of the warhead.

                  Achieved, but not done. Because the weight.


                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  The increase in total mass is compensated by a more powerful chassis of the machine and more
                  rigid guides.

                  A powerful chassis cannot compensate for the weight of the rocket. And increasing the range while maintaining the mass of the payload is a vicious circle. Read the works of Tsiolkovsky.

                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  I didn’t understand how with the artillery firing at 20 km, you expect to get
                  40 km artillery?

                  Everything is simple. And artillery shooting at 20. and shooting at 40 are located very close to each other. Long range does not mean that artillery is located at a greater distance from the line of contact.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 10 September 2014 18: 59
                    +2
                    I am completely at a loss. We are used to
                    use weapons at extreme distances.
                    Otherwise, why do engineers need to suffer from increased performance characteristics?
                    If a rocket can hit 40 km, it will be
                    beat at 40, not at 20 km.
            3. ruslan207
              ruslan207 10 September 2014 22: 55
              +1
              voyaka uh -In general, to drop aerial bombs you need a carrier and Iskander can be used covertly and it’s not afraid of air defense and hundreds of kilometers of airfields and depending on the ammunition if it destroys stationary targets only
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 10 September 2014 23: 23
                +3
                I do not consider Iskander with a conventional warhead a harmless toy.
                But this is a very expensive complex. And very large in size. Hide and apply
                its secretive from enemy intelligence is hardly possible. He will be a priority goal.
                for cruise missiles and aircraft. Therefore, for his protection will have to allocate
                and SAMs like Buk and more powerful type S-300. It turns out already a whole group of technology.
                And all for the sake of delivering 500 kg of explosives? Is it effective?
                1. Dazdranagon
                  Dazdranagon 11 September 2014 09: 00
                  0
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  He will be a priority goal.
                  for cruise missiles and aircraft.
                  - he is on wheels - he can leave the place of deployment after start-up! Yes, and knows how to shoot for 400 km!
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Therefore, for his protection will have to allocate
                  and SAMs like Buk and more powerful type S-300
                  - And the front line will be covered by air defense anyway! hi
            4. Kudesnik1234
              Kudesnik1234 11 September 2014 12: 57
              0
              Iskander M, even without a nuclear warhead, is a weapon of tremendous power and accuracy, for example, with a voluminously detonating warhead. In the radius of defeat, biological forms of life do not remain at all!
    3. anomalocaris
      anomalocaris 11 September 2014 16: 02
      0
      Well beat, and then what? If you shoot through the English Channel through London (or through Taiwan), you’ll get hit, but if you try to cover them with a specific SD, then you can’t do without special warheads.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 11 September 2014 18: 49
        0
        Quote: anomalocaris
        specific ur

        Which one is it? Dot, Bunker, rocket mine?
        The bunker can be completely covered with a detonating (vacuum) -with a CWO of 10-20 meters. Yes and some kind of Radar can easily be blown apart
        Quote: anomalocaris
        If you shoot in London through the English Channel (or in Taiwan), you’ll get

        For London, the range is not enough, but there are other missiles for all occasions
        1. anomalocaris
          anomalocaris 13 September 2014 00: 58
          0
          Dot can be completely covered with detonating (vacuum)

          You can cover, not always destroy. In general, the power of ML ammunition is quite exaggerated.
          KVO 10-20 meters.

          Yeah. An unguided rocket with a range of 300 km ... Yes, you, dear, just a storyteller!
          Range is not enough for London

          You know, actually quite enough. You can ask, at least in Wikipedia, fill in the query with the key phrase "FAU-2".
  3. Denis
    Denis 10 September 2014 09: 43
    +5
    Area of ​​damage, sq. M - 426 000
    This is a hurricane
    That would be all the media to make it known.
    Plus that charging is carried out by a transport-loading machine. Can nonsense about hours-long shelling disappear?
    Or lies their work?
    BelGrad - an analogue of Grad, but based on MAZ
    Maybe ukroGradov grenades of another system?
    Article plus
  4. smershxnumx
    smershxnumx 10 September 2014 09: 54
    +2
    Liked it. Plusan.
  5. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 10 September 2014 10: 33
    0
    the wild extravaganza of fire and power ... looks incomparable ...
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 10 September 2014 10: 49
      +2
      It looks outdated. Especially collimators. This is not the level of the 21st century.
    2. Karabanov
      Karabanov 10 September 2014 12: 11
      +1
      I had to see the work of the city and its results. The author accurately conveys impressions. Article +.
  6. kind
    kind 10 September 2014 10: 36
    +2
    I know both systems very well! As they say, every screw is familiar! Shooting is a holiday !!!
  7. pazuhinm
    pazuhinm 10 September 2014 11: 11
    +1
    Cool photos! definitely +.
  8. max702
    max702 10 September 2014 11: 26
    +1
    I read about "Hurricane" like right there on the site, the officer complained about the gluttony of the ZIL-135LM all the same, two engines from the ZIL-375 180l \ s carburetor! That would say to put one diesel with an approximate capacity, replace the cabin with an armored one and that's it! Nothing else is needed, the chassis is otherwise completely satisfied both in terms of reliability and cross-country ability.
  9. Unclean
    Unclean 10 September 2014 11: 27
    +1
    Shooting always looks beautiful. When he served in the army he went to the Syrashagan training ground, they fired from the S-200, too, there is its own beauty, right up to goosebumps.
  10. Mhpv
    Mhpv 10 September 2014 11: 42
    +2
    Area of ​​damage, sq. M - 426 000

    426000: 600 (6 hundredths) = 710 country houses down the drain soldier
  11. Nayhas
    Nayhas 10 September 2014 12: 06
    +1
    Wow ... I remember standing in the morning, washing ... fog ... damp and cold ... and in the distance the frontier guards from the "roof" with "hurricanes" iron the mountains ... roar and fiery arrows through the fog ... I will never forget. ..
    1. Professor
      Professor 10 September 2014 14: 30
      +1
      Quote: Nayhas
      Wow ... I remember standing in the morning, washing ... fog ... damp and cold ... and in the distance the frontier guards from the "roof" with "hurricanes" iron the mountains ... roar and fiery arrows through the fog ... I will never forget. ..

      And besides the effect, was the result?
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 10 September 2014 16: 06
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        And besides the effect, was the result?

        Good afternoon professor!
        And hell knows if they checked later or not ... we didn’t care, we were already going home ... there was already some kind of feeling of indifference when nothing was important how to go home ...
        As far as I remember, they put seismic sensors on the tracks, well, and intelligence worked constantly for them ...
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 10 September 2014 16: 11
          +1
          the result left much to be desired, wahi are not fools either.
          if the speech on "Hunt" then put (we at least), but mostly extensions, homemade.
          GSRs went to the border guards, but along the border, they set the detection
        2. Professor
          Professor 10 September 2014 20: 29
          +1
          Quote: Nayhas
          And hell knows if they checked later or not ...

          My "relative" fought in 1967 and 1973. 1973 in the Golan Heights. According to him, the effectiveness of the Syrian Grads was very low. Repeatedly falling under fire, the paratroopers lay between the boulders and there were practically no losses from the MLRS. I wonder how with this case in Chechnya. request

          Quote: typhoon7
          Of course in Chechnya, it’s unlikely that such a thing began to be used.

          That is, there was no experience in combat use?
          1. Marine One
            Marine One 10 September 2014 21: 39
            0
            Quote: Professor
            That is, there was no experience in combat use?


            In the course of the second, so-called, counter-terrorist operation in the Chechen Republic, all types of MLRS that were in service were used. For the nomenclature of the types of warheads used are not in the know. I can’t vouch for the results of firing on sectors on the principle "where God will send". Most likely, zero or close to them. Hits on more or less specific coordinates, where the presence of strikers was actually recorded, were quite successful - walk calmly, collect the carcasses and their remains in a pile.
          2. _CAMOBAP_
            _CAMOBAP_ 10 September 2014 22: 17
            0
            Here, professor, anything can turn ... I somehow had to examine the hill after the work of the "Grad". I can only say one thing - those who were there were very unlucky. And if there is a decent boulder between you and the gap, for example, a 152 mm HE shell, then nothing special will happen either. And even from FAB250 the boulder saves. The main thing is the size!
          3. Nayhas
            Nayhas 11 September 2014 09: 26
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            Quote: Professor
            According to him, the effectiveness of the Syrian City was very low. Repeatedly falling under fire, the paratroopers lay between boulders and there were practically no casualties from the MLRS.

            In that area (Itum-Kalinsky district), there are quite dense forests on the slopes, mainly mahogany, very dense wood (we used it to heat stoves, there is little heat, there is almost no fire, a lot of smoke, when you chop logs almost ideal parallelepipeds come out), therefore fragmentation from any ammunition is quite low ... Well, the Czechs usually cleaned up their killed and wounded quickly, so it’s very difficult to judge the effectiveness. But there was no way out ...
          4. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 11 September 2014 18: 51
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            Quote: Professor
            Syrian hail effectiveness was very low

            And what was effective for them? Please enlighten.
            You can throw slippers at me, but Arabs are not so hot
            1. Professor
              Professor 11 September 2014 21: 14
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              Quote: Pilat2009
              You can throw slippers at me, but Arabs are not so hot

              You tell this to those who fought with the Arab Legion, they will beat you to death with slippers.
              1. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 11 September 2014 22: 05
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                Quote: Professor
                You tell this to those who fought with the Arab Legion.

                Well, enlighten me on the ratio of losses
      2. typhoon7
        typhoon7 10 September 2014 19: 25
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        Hello professor, the result also depends on the warhead. We had one brigade equipped with "Hurricanes" in the mid-eighties, they were brought up with ammunition with a very explosive substance, in comparison with which napalm is a soft drink. They went to Kazakhstan to shoot such ammunition. Hiroshima division, I learned this from the officers. Of course, in Chechnya, it is unlikely that such a thing was used.
        1. slavbag
          slavbag 11 September 2014 09: 43
          +2
          Is it possible without fairy tales? What type of explosives? Striking elements? And it looks like a Wedding in Robin.
    2. Hleb
      Hleb 10 September 2014 16: 05
      +1
      from Tuskharoy they often ironed southwink
  12. Denimax
    Denimax 10 September 2014 13: 23
    +1
    For some reason, there is never a hit video, it would be no less interesting.
    Is it really difficult to install a camera at the landfill.
    1. Algetxnumx
      Algetxnumx 10 September 2014 13: 48
      +1
      Watch photos and videos from militias from broken dill positions, especially in the open.
    2. 222222
      222222 10 September 2014 13: 51
      +2
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEOOBQhFyz8
      a bunch of videos
  13. Denimax
    Denimax 10 September 2014 14: 19
    +2
    Quote: 222222
    a bunch of videos

    There is nothing there, just cutting explosions. You can see special effects with an explosion of gasoline, the explosions of an American cluster bomb, shelling of a tank with a 30 mm A-10 cannon. All this is not that.
  14. Rigla
    Rigla 10 September 2014 14: 44
    +2
    It is terrifying to imagine how Novorossia is being destroyed from this weapon, it becomes doubly scary that because of the "truce" am ALREADY:
    1). 5000 secessionists were not destroyed in the boilers.
    2). New Russia from 05.09.2014/15/XNUMX lost XNUMX% of its territory (punitive atrocities are now there).
    3). New Russia lost the initiative.
    BUT "Truce" !!! am (True, a truce only on the part of New Russia).
  15. Arzamas
    Arzamas 10 September 2014 15: 45
    +2
    It would be interesting to see the photo from the place where they worked.

    And what to look at him? There is nothing left! =)
    Well, except that the land is plowed with some debris ...
  16. doxtop
    doxtop 10 September 2014 16: 39
    +3
    Quote: erased
    We do not need this.

    Did you decide that?

    :) Judge for yourself ... Probably at such ranges it is easier to smack than be like "Iskander". And more reliable and KVO is not an example less.
  17. Gray 43
    Gray 43 10 September 2014 20: 26
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    Oh, Psaki would say, Belarusian anti-ship systems)))))
  18. andrey682006
    andrey682006 10 September 2014 21: 14
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    I am completely at a loss. We are used to
    use weapons at extreme distances.
    Otherwise, why do engineers need to suffer from increased performance characteristics?
    If a rocket can hit 40 km, it will be
    beat at 40, not at 20 km.

    But maneuvering, stealth, false goals?
    And the minimum time to occupy / leave a position?
    Forests are not rocky deserts, it’s easy to hide. Quick march to the launch area, volley, march back. And what will give you a greater range?
    Tactically more competent, maneuverable and more informed (intelligence) will win.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 10 September 2014 23: 32
      +1
      You have correctly listed the factors that influence victory.
      But take a closer look: the whole history of the development of military equipment strictly defines
      tendency - shoot from the greatest possible distance and as accurately as possible.
      If you can shoot from 40 km - do it. In proximity to the enemy
      a party with a less accurate and advanced technique is always interested.
  19. studentmati
    studentmati 10 September 2014 21: 53
    +3
    The only complement - let all these weapons be used only in exercises. I’m sure that together we will live in peace, if we make a little effort

    It is necessary to apply a maximum, and not a little.
  20. vvp2412
    vvp2412 10 September 2014 22: 25
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    Tu-95 does not seem to be painted white !? Is it silver? White Tu-22m3, Tu-160!
  21. dimasialyt
    dimasialyt 11 September 2014 05: 17
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    Quote: _CAMOBAP_
    Here, professor, anything can turn ... I somehow had to examine the hill after the work of the "Grad". I can only say one thing - those who were there were very unlucky. And if there is a decent boulder between you and the gap, for example, a 152 mm HE shell, then nothing special will happen either. And even from FAB250 the boulder saves. The main thing is the size!

    In 86, at the Gorokhovets training ground, I had to wander around the field where the Hurricanes were just shooting ... Professor apparently has a secret boulder, loaded with Kashpirovsky ...
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  23. slavbag
    slavbag 11 September 2014 09: 52
    +1
    Work "Grad" in Israel.
    And what to guess and tell stories of the past. We have a reality now. In this war or a militarized military operation, the City fell to me near the office. 15 meters from the parking lot. Kartechin not always nailed the tin of cars. There is no time for stories from anyone, he himself was about 40 meters away. He shot it himself. To return the money (we have this for the physical or material damage caused by the actions of the enemy, the state pays compensation). For the most part, the fragments did not even pierce the car door trim. And the density of the work of fragments in the area is generally worthless. At such a distance, one to two shrapnel hit the car. And there were atomic cars that didn’t hurt at all.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 11 September 2014 18: 59
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      Quote: slavbag
      Kartechin not always nailed the tin of cars.

      Perhaps the matter is in the ammunition. They do it on the knee in the basement and equip with all kinds of garbage. Yes and I do not know what. If they were equipped with cluster elements, it would be worse
      1. slavbag
        slavbag 11 September 2014 19: 05
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        Give up hope everyone entering here. Missiles Grad or Fajger in the gas are not made. They are produced in factories in Iran. According to Russian technologies. I hope you do not start now to say that these are not the Grad. Nih Grad already at 40 km and 70 km. Do not believe the fairy tales about everything align with the City.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 11 September 2014 19: 45
          +1
          Quote: slavbag
          Missiles Grad or Fager in the gas are not made

          Well, yes, yes, yes, everything they have is imported. And why then do not cover the supply routes?
          1. slavbag
            slavbag 11 September 2014 20: 11
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            You are not in the subject, right? Catch. Already two ships to the top stuffed with missiles and other snacks of terror. Bomb the cave. We even bomb caravans in Sudan. You won’t bomb it all the same. And the main weapon goes through the Sinai. What can we try. Even the gods are mistaken.
          2. slavbag
            slavbag 11 September 2014 20: 13
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            No, of course not all. Kasama they are just homemade. And everything else is imported. From cartridges and mortar shells to missiles with a range of 150 km.
  24. Litvin from Grodno
    Litvin from Grodno 8 October 2014 01: 47
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    Quote: crazyrom
    please explain who knows: why such a big chassis for the hurricane, so many wheels, because the block of missiles seems to be small, it feels like the missiles rely only on the last wheels and the middle axes seem to be completely idle ... or it could be done instead of 16 say 24 , or something ... and hail so in appearance can generally be put on an SUV ...

    This "thing" must be seen in movement and in "work". She goes off-road "softly like a puma", imposing. It is comfortable to sit in the cockpit, there is nothing to compare with "Grad in the Urals". The permeability is super - that on the sands, that on the swampy terrain, the dirt is higher than the hub, and she goes as if it had never happened. That's why this chassis is.
    The only drawback of the ZIL-135 is a stupid system of 2 gasoline engines, hence the complexity of the transmission. The car was designed "for a bottomless barrel of Soviet gasoline" and "in connection with the absence of a good, high-torque, powerful automobile diesel engine in the Soviet automobile industry." If a modern diesel engine with 350-400 hp was "inserted" there, and the transmission was simplified and lightened, there would be no price for the car. And so, the dignity of the artillery system is "compensated" by the disadvantages of the chassis. ...